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The Deep Politics of the Government Shutdown

On this episode of The Time of Monsters: Chris Lehmann on racism, austerity and the Democrats finding courage.

Jeet Heer

October 5, 2025

Republicans John Thune and Mike Johnson during a news conference at the US Capitol in Washington, DC, on October 3, 2025. (Graeme Sloan / Bloomberg via Getty Images)

The Time of Monsters with Jeet Heer

The Time of Monsters podcast features Nation national-affairs correspondent Jeet Heer’s signature blend of political culture and cultural politics. Each week, he’ll host in-depth conversations with urgent voices on the most pressing issues of our time.

The Deep Politics of the Government Shutdown w/ Chris Lehmann
byThe Nation Company LLC

Donald Trump has plunged the nation into another government shutdown. I spoke with my

Nation colleague Chris Lehmann about the larger political stakes. We take up Trump’s shifting

rhetoric, which has started with false and racist claims about undocumented immigrants

receiving benefits and now seems to be about gloating over austerity. We also take up the

Democratic party response, and the way the base of the party has forced the leadership to take

a stronger stance. Chris’ article on the shutdown can be found here.

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Donald Trump has plunged the nation into another government shutdown. I spoke with my Nation colleague Chris Lehmann about the larger political stakes. We take up Trump’s shifting rhetoric, which has started with false and racist claims about undocumented immigrants receiving benefits and now seems to be about gloating over austerity. We also discuss the Democratic Party’s response, and the way the base of the party has forced the leadership to take a stronger stance. Chris’s article on the shutdown can be found here.

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The Time of Monsters with Jeet Heer

The Time of Monsters podcast features Nation national-affairs correspondent Jeet Heer’s signature blend of political culture and cultural politics. Each week, he’ll host in-depth conversations with urgent voices on the most pressing issues of our time.

Why Big Oil Wants to Splinter Canada w/ Nora Loreto
byThe Nation Company LLC

The issue of Canada’s national unity is heading towards the ballot box as Alberta is having a referendum on the issue of separatism. I spoke with Canadian journalist Nora Loreto about the background to this dispute, the backing the referendum is receiving from right wing US political actors such as Steve Bannon and lobbyists connected to the oil industry. The discussion also takes up the role of Prime Minister Mark Carney, who is using the crisis to push a neoliberal agenda. For more commentary by Nora, you can go to the podcast Sandy and Nora Talk Politics, which is found here.

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Jeet HeerTwitterJeet Heer is a national affairs correspondent for The Nation and host of the weekly Nation podcast, The Time of Monsters. He also pens the monthly column “Morbid Symptoms.” The author of In Love with Art: Francoise Mouly’s Adventures in Comics with Art Spiegelman (2013) and Sweet Lechery: Reviews, Essays and Profiles (2014), Heer has written for numerous publications, including The New Yorker, The Paris Review, Virginia Quarterly Review, The American Prospect, The GuardianThe New Republic, and The Boston Globe.


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