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Katrina vanden Heuvel on Where We’re Going, and Robert Reich on How We Got Here

On Start Making Sense: The Nation’s editor on our tasks now, and the Berkeley economist on understanding our historic mistakes.

Jon Wiener

August 6, 2025

The Late Show with Stephen Colbert and guest former secretary of labor Robert Reich during the Monday, August 4, 2025 show.(Scott Kowalchyk / CBS via Getty Images))

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Katrina vanden Heuvel on Where We’re Going, and Robert Reich on How We Got Here | Start Making Sense
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How do we face how bad things are now, while also understanding the reasons for hope, and the opportunities for action? Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor and publisher of The Nation, will comment.

Plus: Robert Reich says the origin of our troubles with Trump and MAGA go back to the sixties; he says it started with the sixties movements – which created “a giant political void that would eventually be filled by Donald Trump’s angry, bigoted cultural populism.” His new memoir is “Coming Up Short.”

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How do we face how bad things are now, while also understanding the reasons for hope, and the opportunities for action? Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor and publisher of The Nation, will comment.

Plus: Robert Reich says the origin of our troubles with Trump and MAGA go back to the 1960s; he says it started with that decade’s movements, which created “a giant political void that would eventually be filled by Donald Trump’s angry, bigoted cultural populism.” His new memoir is Coming Up Short.

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Norm Eisen: Fighting Trump’s Threats to Voting; plus Protest Success Stories / Start Making Sense
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Election protection: defending Ohio’s biggest voter registration group, and blocking Trump’s attacks on voting by mail: Norm Eisen, co-counsel on the first Trump impeachment, comments.

Also: how protest pushed ICE to abandon most of its warehouse detention center plans, and pressured Georgia Republicans to abandon their redistricting plans – John Nichols explains.

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Jon WienerTwitterJon Wiener is a contributing editor of The Nation and co-author (with Mike Davis) of Set the Night on Fire: L.A. in the Sixties.


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