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Harvard Takes a Stand—Plus, Musk and the Technocrats

On this episode of Start Making Sense, David Cole talks about Harvard’s decision not to submit to Trump’s demands, and Jill Lepore explains where Musk got his ideas.

Jon Wiener

April 16, 2025

A protester holds a sign reading “Educate, Don’t Capitulate!!” featuring Harvard University shields during a rally at Cambridge Common on April 12.(Erin Clark / The Boston Globe via Getty Images)

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Harvard Takes a Stand; plus Musk and the Technocrats | Start Making Sense
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While Trump’s attacks on the universities have broadened, and while Columbia is submitting to his requirements, Harvard’s president has declared that Harvard will not comply with the Trump’s demands in exchange for keeping its federal funding. David Cole comments – he recently stepped down as National Legal Director of the ACLU to return to teaching law at Georgetown.

Also: Elon Musk’s obsession with rockets and robots sounds futuristic, but “few figures in public life are more shackled to the past” – that’s what Jill Lepore has found. His ideas at DOGE seem to come from his grandfather, a founder of the anti-democratic Technocracy movement of the 1930s. Jill Lepore teaches history and law at Harvard, and writes for The New Yorker.

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While Trump’s attacks on the universities have broadened in the last few weeks, and and while Columbia is submitting to Trump’s requirements, Harvard’s president has declared that Harvard will not comply with the Trump’s demands in exchange for keeping its federal funding. David Cole comments—he recently stepped down as national legal director of the ACLU to return to teaching law at Georgetown.

Also on this episode: Elon Musk’s obsession with rockets and robots sounds futuristic, but “few figures in public life are more shackled to the past”—that’s what Jill Lepore has found. His ideas at DOGE seem to come from his grandfather, a founder of the antidemocratic Technocracy movement of the 1930s. Jill Lepore teaches history and law at Harvard, and writes for The New Yorker.

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Mamdani’s Socialism—and Us; plus Football and Concussions | Start Making Sense
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Jon WienerTwitterJon Wiener is a contributing editor of The Nation and co-author (with Mike Davis) of Set the Night on Fire: L.A. in the Sixties.


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