Podcast / Tech Won’t Save Us / Aug 7, 2025

What Google Zero Means for Journalism

On Tech Won’t Save Us: the AI monster comes for the news. With guest Matt Pearce.

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What Google Zero Means for Journalism | Tech Won’t Save Us
byThe Nation Magazine

Paris Marx is joined by Matt Pearce to discuss how Google’s use of generative AI is sending far less traffic to all manner of websites, but especially news publications, and what that might mean for the future of journalism.

Matt Pearce is Director of Policy at Rebuild Local News and a former reporter at the Los Angeles Times.

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In this photo illustration, a Google AI logo is seen displayed on a smartphone with an Apple Siri logo in the background.

In this photo illustration, a Google AI logo is seen displayed on a smartphone with an Apple Siri logo in the background.

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Paris Marx is joined by Matt Pearce to discuss how Google’s use of generative AI is sending far less traffic to all manner of websites, but especially news publications, and what that might mean for the future of journalism.

Matt Pearce is director of policy at Rebuild Local News and a former reporter at the Los Angeles Times.

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Taking Data Centers to Court w/ Martha Dark / Tech Won’t Save Us
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Data centers are being approved without proper oversight into their broader impacts, but there are organizations pushing back. Martha Dark joins Paris Marx to discuss her work at Foxglove and how legal challenges against data centers are imposing stronger rules and reframing false narratives from policymakers and Big Tech.

Martha Dark is co-executive director of Foxglove.

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Paris Marx is the author of Hyperscale: The Ambition and Excess of Big Tech's Data Empires. He hosts the Tech Won’t Save Us podcast and writes the Disconnect newsletter.

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