Podcast / Start Making Sense / May 27, 2026

Stopping Trump’s Slush Fund—Plus, the Transformations of Bill Gates

Rob Weissman of Public Citizen explains some of the key lawsuits challenging Trump, and Ben Tarnoff traces Bill Gates from software to philanthropy to the world of Jeffrey Epstein.

US President Donald Trump delivers a speech about the economy at Rockland Community College Fieldhouse in Suffern, New York.

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On this episode of Start Making Sense, Rob Weissman of Public Citizen explains some of the key lawsuits challenging Trump, and Ben Tarnoff traces Bill Gates from software to philanthropy to the world of Jeffrey Epstein.

Trump’s billion-dollar ballroom is a familiar kind of corruption, but his slush fund to pay the insurrectionists and paramilitary groups that commit violence in his name is an unprecedented attack on democracy. Rob Weissman of Public Citizen explains, and also talks about the immense, and immensely unpopular, proposed Arc d’Trump.

Also: Bill Gates was once the country’s youngest billionaire and the first billionaire to come from tech. Then he became the most hated man in America, then the biggest philanthropist, and the world’s most admired man. Then we learned of his ties to Jeffrey Epstein. Ben Tarnoff explains how all happened.

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Jon Wiener is a contributing editor of The Nation and co-author (with Mike Davis) of Set the Night on Fire: L.A. in the Sixties.

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