Podcast / Tech Won’t Save Us / Nov 27, 2025

Data Centers Are a Climate Enemy

On this episode of Tech Won’t Save Us: Ketan Joshi on how data centers are a climate justice issue.

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Data Centers Are a Climate Enemy w/ Ketan Joshi | Tech Won’t Save Us
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Paris Marx is joined by Ketan Joshi to discuss how hyperscale data centers are fueling the consumption of more oil and gas, what that means for climate targets, and the insidious relationship between the tech and fossil fuel industries.

Ketan Joshi is a climate writer and data analyst based in Oslo working with climate and environmental groups.

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Cooling vent fans are seen on the roof of a Digital Realty data center in Ashburn, Virginia on November 12, 2025.

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Paris Marx is joined by Ketan Joshi to discuss how hyperscale data centers are fueling the consumption of more oil and gas, what that means for climate targets, and the insidious relationship between the tech and fossil fuel industries.

Ketan Joshi is a climate writer and data analyst based in Oslo working with climate and environmental groups.

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The UK Government’s AI Obsession Is a Big Risk w/ Will Dunn / Tech Won’t Save Us
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What happens when a government goes all in on AI? It creates some huge vulnerabilities. Will Dunn joins Paris Marx to dig into how the UK government is using chatbots to write laws without public consultation and why it isn’t asking the hard questions about the risks of that growing reliance on US technology.

Will Dunn is the business editor at the New Statesman.

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