Podcast / The Time of Monsters / Jan 5, 2025

The Paranoid Style of David Samuels

On this episode of The Time of Monsters, David Klion and Matt Duss on a popular right-wing fabulist.

The Nation Podcasts
The Nation Podcasts

Here's where to find podcasts from The Nation. Political talk without the boring parts, featuring the writers, activists and artists who shape the news, from a progressive perspective.

The Paranoid Style of David Samuels | The Time of Monsters with Jeet Heer
byThe Nation Magazine

On this episode of The Time of Monsters, David Klion and Matt Duss on a popular right-wing fabulist.

Has former president Barack Obama secretly been running the American elite — including the media and wide parts of the government — for nearly 20 years? Has he been doing so on behalf of a subversive agenda to empower Iran and undermine American exceptionalism? That’s the argument made by David Samuels in a much-read piece in The Tablet

On this episode, I dissect Samuels arguments with two friends of the podcast, David Klion and Matt Duss. We not only look at the problems with Samuels’s reactionary fable, but also take up why it is so popular on the right and even draws on conspiratorial ideas that have a wider purchase among centrists and conservative liberals.

Our Sponsors:
* Check out Avocado Green Mattress: https://avocadogreenmattress.com
* Check out BetterHelp: https://betterhelp.com/THENATION

Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

President Barack Obama

President Barack Obama

(Evan Vucci, Pool / AP Photo)

Has former president Barack Obama secretly been running the American elite—including the media and wide parts of the government—for nearly 20 years? Has he been doing so on behalf of a subversive agenda to empower Iran and undermine American exceptionalism? That’s the argument made by David Samuels in a much-read piece in The Tablet

On this episode, I dissect Samuels‘s arguments with two friends of the podcast, David Klion and Matt Duss. We not only look at the problems with Samuel’s reactionary fable but also take up why it is so popular on the right and even draws on conspiratorial ideas that have a wider purchase among centrists and conservative liberals.

The Nation Podcasts
The Nation Podcasts

Here's where to find podcasts from The Nation. Political talk without the boring parts, featuring the writers, activists and artists who shape the news, from a progressive perspective.

The American Right’s Civil War Over Israel w/ David Austin Walsh | The Time of Monsters with Jeet Heer
byThe Nation Magazine

Much has been written about how the Israel/Palestine conflict is dividing the left, but the

same is true of the right. Tucker Carlson’s interview with the antisemitic critic of Israel Nick

Fuentes has created an intense debate on the right about anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism,

currently playing itself out in turmoil at the Heritage Foundation. I spoke with the historian

David Austin Walsh, whose bookTaking America Back: The Conservative Movement and the Far

Right provides a crucial background for this story.

Our Sponsors:
* Check out Avocado Green Mattress: https://avocadogreenmattress.com
* Check out BetterHelp: https://betterhelp.com/THENATION

Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Subscribe to The Nation to Support all of our podcasts

Jeet Heer

Jeet Heer is a national affairs correspondent for The Nation and host of the weekly Nation podcast, The Time of Monsters. He also pens the monthly column “Morbid Symptoms.” The author of In Love with Art: Francoise Mouly’s Adventures in Comics with Art Spiegelman (2013) and Sweet Lechery: Reviews, Essays and Profiles (2014), Heer has written for numerous publications, including The New Yorker, The Paris Review, Virginia Quarterly Review, The American Prospect, The GuardianThe New Republic, and The Boston Globe.

More from The Nation

The American Right’s Civil War Over Israel

The American Right’s Civil War Over Israel The American Right’s Civil War Over Israel

On this episode of The Time of Monsters: David Austin Walsh on the deep roots of the Zionism debate among Republicans.

Jeet Heer

Seeds of Resistance, With Vivien Sansour

Seeds of Resistance, With Vivien Sansour Seeds of Resistance, With Vivien Sansour

On A People's Climate: “If you want to support Palestine, get free.”

Shilpi Chhotray

Jeff Teat #7 of the New York Atlas in action during the Premier Lacrosse League Championship game between the New York Atlas and the Denver Outlaws at Sports Illustrated Stadium on September 14, 2025, in Harrison, New Jersey.

How Lacrosse and Boxing Explain the USA How Lacrosse and Boxing Explain the USA

On the latest episode of Edge of Sports.

Dave Zirin

Traffic moves along the Brooklyn Queens Expressway on October 26, 2025, in Brooklyn, New York City.

Why We Need a War on Cars Why We Need a War on Cars

On this episode of Tech Won't Save Us: Doug Gordon and Sarah Goodyear discuss how to create more equitable forms of mobility.

Paris Marx

Dem Voters Triumph— Plus, That Springsteen Movie

Dem Voters Triumph— Plus, That Springsteen Movie Dem Voters Triumph— Plus, That Springsteen Movie

On this episode of Start Making Sense, John Nichols analyzes Tuesday’s elections, and Greil Marcus explains what’s missing in Springsteen: Deliver Me From Nowhere.

Jon Wiener

Donald Trump, left, greets John Roberts, chief justice of the US Supreme Court, arrives for a joint session of Congress in the House Chamber of the US Capitol in Washington, DC, on Tuesday, March 4, 2025.

Why the Supreme Court Will Never Stand Up to Trump Why the Supreme Court Will Never Stand Up to Trump

Podcast / The Nation Podcast / Jan 5, 2025 The Paranoid Style of David Samuels On The Nation Podcast: Elie Mystal on the Roberts court’s capitulation. D.D. Guttenplan and El…

Podcast / The Nation Podcast

x