Podcast / American Prestige / Feb 4, 2025

M23, the DRC, and Rwanda

On this episode of American Prestige, Marie-Rose Tshite on the uprising in Goma, and its ties to Rwanda.

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M23, the DRC, and Rwanda w/ Marie-Rose Tshite | American Prestige
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On this episode of American Prestige, Derek speaks with Marie-Rose Tshite, a peacebuilding advocate and Ph.D. student in Political Science with a concentration in Feminist Comparative and International Politics at the University of Cincinnati, about M23 and the situation in Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). They explore the group’s origins, its ties with the Rwandan government, other external actors, the recent seizure of Goma, minerals and the economic factors driving the conflict, the humanitarian situation, and more.

Read Marie-Rose’s recent article on Congolese women's experiences during the Second Congolese War between 1998 and 2003, “Capturing Congolese Women’s Memories of War and Peacemaking”.

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A crowd rejoices near a group of M23 soldiers as the M23 rebel group retained control of Goma, on January 31, 2025, in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

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On this episode of American Prestige, Derek speaks with Marie-Rose Tshite, a peacebuilding advocate and PhD student in political science with a concentration in Feminist Comparative and International Politics at the University of Cincinnati, about M23 and the situation in Goma, Democratic Republic of the Congo. They explore the group’s origins, its ties with the Rwandan government, other external actors, the recent seizure of Goma, minerals and the economic factors driving the conflict, the humanitarian situation, and more.

Read Marie-Rose’s recent article on Congolese women’s experiences during the Second Congolese War between 1998 and 2003, “Capturing Congolese Women’s Memories of War and Peacemaking.”

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The Need for Responsible AI w/ Robert Wright / American Prestige
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Danny and Derek welcome to the show journalist and author ⁠Robert Wright⁠ to talk about the potential and pitfalls of the AI revolution. They discuss how neural networks learn, the differences between predictive and generative AI, machine consciousness, job displacement, the environmental costs of data centers, how capitalism is shaping the AI race, and the need for international regulation.

Read Robert’s new book The God Test: Artificial Intelligence and Our Coming Cosmic Reckoning.

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Daniel Bessner

Daniel Bessner is an historian of US foreign relations, and cohost of American Prestige, a podcast on international affairs.

Derek Davison

Derek Davison is a writer and analyst specializing in international affairs and US foreign policy. He is the publisher of the Foreign Exchanges newsletter, cohost of the American Prestige podcast, and former editor of LobeLog.

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