Let’s Fight Some Fascists (With Astra Taylor and Mark Bray)
Aaron, Matt, and Jonathan are joined by authors Astra Taylor and Mark Bray for a big-picture conversation about what it means to fight fascism in this historical moment.

A protester holds a ‘Fight fascism’ placard depicting Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler during a demonstration in London.
(Vuk Valcic / SOPA Images / LightRocket via Getty Images)Aaron, Matt, and Jonathan are joined by Astra Taylor, author of End Times Fascism, and Mark Bray, author of Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, for a big picture conversation about what it means to fight fascism in this historical moment. Topics include popular resistance to ICE, tensions between “radical” and “normie” mobilization, how much we all hate AI, and why it shouldn’t actually be that hard to build a majoritarian coalition around the idea that like 25 creepy pedophiles shouldn’t own literally everything on the planet.
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