Let’s Fight Some Fascists (With Astra Taylor and Mark Bray)
Aaron, Matt, and Jonathan are joined by authors Astra Taylor and Mark Bray for a big-picture conversation about what it means to fight fascism in this historical moment.

A protester holds a ‘Fight fascism’ placard depicting Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler during a demonstration in London.
(Vuk Valcic / SOPA Images / LightRocket via Getty Images)Aaron, Matt, and Jonathan are joined by Astra Taylor, author of End Times Fascism, and Mark Bray, author of Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, for a big picture conversation about what it means to fight fascism in this historical moment. Topics include popular resistance to ICE, tensions between “radical” and “normie” mobilization, how much we all hate AI, and why it shouldn’t actually be that hard to build a majoritarian coalition around the idea that like 25 creepy pedophiles shouldn’t own literally everything on the planet.
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Back in May, Pope Leo XIV released his first encyclical, “Magnifica Humanitas”—a surprisingly forceful call-out of dehumanizing technology, Big Tech oligarchs, and an economic order that casts the few as gods and the many as disposable. To talk about this work (and Aaron’s growing Catholicism-envy, and the utterly pathetic “faith” of J.D. Vance), we invited Matthew Sitman, co-host of the great Know Your Enemy Podcast and official Catholic sage of the erudite left, who walks us through this era of moral leadership from the Catholic Church. This is a good one. We swear, so help us God!
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