Podcast / Tech Won’t Save Us / Oct 2, 2025

The Growing Divide Between MAGA and Big Tech

On this episode of Tech Won’t Save Us: Tina Nguyen on the fundamental distrust between MAGA and Big Tech.

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The Growing Divide Between MAGA and Big Tech w/ Tina Nguyen | Tech Won’t Save Us
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Paris Marx is joined by Tina Nguyen to discuss the divisions within the American far-right between the Trump administration, the wider MAGA movement, and the tech executives trying to show they’re on their side.

Tina Nguyen is a senior reporter at The Verge and author of The MAGA Diaries: My Surreal Adventures Inside the Right-Wing (And How I Got Out).

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Mark Zuckerberg speaks as Donald Trump, Melania Trump, and Bill Gates listen during a dinner at the White House on September 4, 2025 in Washington, DC.

Mark Zuckerberg speaks as Donald Trump, Melania Trump, and Bill Gates listen during a dinner at the White House on September 4, 2025 in Washington, DC.

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Paris Marx is joined by Tina Nguyen to discuss the divisions within the American far right between the Trump administration, the wider MAGA movement, and the tech executives trying to show they’re on board.

Tina Nguyen is a senior reporter at The Verge and author of The MAGA Diaries: Life Among the Fanatics, Extremists, and True Believers that Created the Modern Right.

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The UK Government’s AI Obsession Is a Big Risk w/ Will Dunn / Tech Won’t Save Us
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What happens when a government goes all in on AI? It creates some huge vulnerabilities. Will Dunn joins Paris Marx to dig into how the UK government is using chatbots to write laws without public consultation and why it isn’t asking the hard questions about the risks of that growing reliance on US technology.

Will Dunn is the business editor at the New Statesman.

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