Podcast / Tech Won’t Save Us / Oct 2, 2025

The Growing Divide Between MAGA and Big Tech

On this episode of Tech Won’t Save Us: Tina Nguyen on the fundamental distrust between MAGA and Big Tech.

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The Growing Divide Between MAGA and Big Tech w/ Tina Nguyen | Tech Won’t Save Us
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Paris Marx is joined by Tina Nguyen to discuss the divisions within the American far-right between the Trump administration, the wider MAGA movement, and the tech executives trying to show they’re on their side.

Tina Nguyen is a senior reporter at The Verge and author of The MAGA Diaries: My Surreal Adventures Inside the Right-Wing (And How I Got Out).

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Mark Zuckerberg speaks as Donald Trump, Melania Trump, and Bill Gates listen during a dinner at the White House on September 4, 2025 in Washington, DC.

Mark Zuckerberg speaks as Donald Trump, Melania Trump, and Bill Gates listen during a dinner at the White House on September 4, 2025 in Washington, DC.

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Paris Marx is joined by Tina Nguyen to discuss the divisions within the American far right between the Trump administration, the wider MAGA movement, and the tech executives trying to show they’re on board.

Tina Nguyen is a senior reporter at The Verge and author of The MAGA Diaries: Life Among the Fanatics, Extremists, and True Believers that Created the Modern Right.

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Too Much Computer: Ingrid Burrington discusses Hyperscale with Paris Marx / Tech Won’t Save Us
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Hyperscale data centers are not an inevitable infrastructure, but a product of capitalist financialization pushing us further from a livable future. Ingrid Burrington interviews Paris Marx about his new book Hyperscale, discussing the history behind the rise of hyperscale data centers and how companies are obscuring their true social and environmental costs to maximize profits before the overinflated bubble bursts.

Ingrid Burrington is the author of Networks of New York and host of RIP Corp. She’s been writing about internet infrastructure for over a decade, including an 18-story online series for The Atlantic in 2015.

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Paris Marx is the author of Hyperscale: The Ambition and Excess of Big Tech's Data Empires. He hosts the Tech Won’t Save Us podcast and writes the Disconnect newsletter.

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