Podcast / Tech Won’t Save Us / May 7, 2026

Muskism Is the New Fordism—With Ben Tarnoff & Quinn Slobodian

Paris Marx is joined by Ben Tarnoff and Quinn Slobodian to discuss their new book Muskism, which explores how Elon Musk exemplifies a new economic system shaping our lives.

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Muskism Is the New Fordism w/ Ben Tarnoff & Quinn Slobodian / Tech Won’t Say Us
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Paris Marx is joined by Ben Tarnoff and Quinn Slobodian to discuss their new book Muskism which explores how Elon Musk exemplifies a new economic system shaping our lives, similar to Fordism in the twentieth century.

Ben Tarnoff and Quinn Slobodian are the authors of Muskism. Ben is a writer and technologist based in Massachusetts and the author of Internet for the People. Quinn is professor of international history at Boston University, and the author of books like Crack-Up Capitalism.

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Elon Musk arrives to court at the Ronald V. Dellums Federal Building on April 30, 2026, in Oakland, California.

Elon Musk arrives to court at the Ronald V. Dellums Federal Building on April 30, 2026, in Oakland, California.

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Paris Marx is joined by Ben Tarnoff and Quinn Slobodian to discuss their new book Muskism, which explores how Elon Musk exemplifies a new economic system shaping our lives, similar to Fordism in the 20th century.

Tarnoff is a writer and technologist based in Massachusetts and the author of Internet for the People. Quinn is a professor of international history at Boston University, and the author of books like Crack-Up Capitalism.

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Government Is Putting AI Before People and the Planet w/ Matt Haugen / Tech Won’t Save Us
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Governments are prioritizing data centers and AI at the expense of communities and the planet, but it doesn’t have to be this way. Matt Haugen joins Paris Marx to discuss the AI First report, which examines how national strategies are dismantling environmental protections and enacting market policies that allow a handful of megacorporations to abscond with billions of dollars, and what an alternative policy agenda focused on people and the planet could achieve instead.

Matt Haugen is Research and Editorial Manager at the Climate and Community Institute.

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