The Roots of Trump’s Foreign Policy Instability
On this episode of The Time of Monsters, Justin Logan on the factional battles that have bedevilled the White House.
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The Roots of Trump’s Foreign Policy Instability w/ Justin Logan
Donald Trump’s foreign policy has been as unstable as the man himself, shifting quickly from
pushes for restraint to escalating wars in the Middle East. This volatility is a function not just of
Trump’s personality but the contradictions and competing factions that are gathered under the
term America First, as well as the continued power of the foreign policy establishment that
Trump has claimed he defeated but which maintains a strong capacity to shape policy. To talk
about Trump’s foreign policy and the factional battles that have bedevilled his administration, I
spoke to Justin Logan, director of defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute.
In particular we take up the attacks on Elbridge Colby, the under-secretary of defense for
policy. Colby was the subject of a Politico hatchet job which claimed he was running a rogue
foreign policy. Justin critiqued this analysis here.
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US Vice President JD Vance, left, and Elbridge Colby, under secretary of defense for policy nominee for US President Donald Trump, shake hands during a Senate Armed Services Committee confirmation hearing in Washington, DC, US, on Tuesday, March 4, 2025.
(Kent Nishimura / Bloomberg via Getty Images)Donald Trump’s foreign policy has been as unstable as the man himself, shifting quickly from pushes for restraint to escalating wars in the Middle East. This volatility is a function not just of Trump’s personality but also the contradictions and competing factions that are gathered under the term America First, as well as the continued power of the foreign policy establishment that Trump has claimed he defeated, but which maintains a strong capacity to shape policy. To talk about Trump’s foreign policy and the factional battles that have bedeviled his administration, I spoke to Justin Logan, director of defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute.
In particular, we take up the attacks on Elbridge Colby, the undersecretary of defense for policy. Colby was the subject of a Politico hatchet job that claimed he was running a rogue foreign policy. Justin critiqued this analysis here.
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The Time of Monsters podcast features Nation national-affairs correspondent Jeet Heer’s signature blend of political culture and cultural politics. Each week, he’ll host in-depth conversations with urgent voices on the most pressing issues of our time.
The Living Legacy of Norman Podhoretz w/ David Klion and Ronnie Grinberg
Norman Podhoretz, one of the founding fathers of neoconservatism, died on December 16 at
age 95. His legacy is a complex one, since in recent decades neoconservatism has been
supplanted in many ways by American First conservatism. But many aspects of Podhoretz’s
influence still play a shaping role on right. I take up Podhoretz’s career with David Klion (who
wrote an obituary for the pundit for The Nation) and the historian Ronnie Grinberg, who had
discussed Podhoretz in her book Write Like a Man.
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