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Trump’s Immigration Façade

On this episode of The Nation Podcast, Ray Suarez says that Trump’s bark masks a more cynical, and contradictory, bite.

Ray Suarez and D.D. Guttenplan

June 2, 2025

Protesters are arrested and put into a police van after refusing to leave the intersection while walking through the streets to demonstrate against President Donald Trump’s first 100 days in office on April 30, 2025, in Washington, DC. Multiple groups throughout DC blocked off intersections around the Capitol during morning rush hour traffic while chanting, “No Trump, no deportation, no more fascist occupation.” (Kayla Bartkowski / Getty Images)

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Chud of the Rings w/ Bret Devereaux / Fighting Fascism
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We all love making fun of fascists. But Dr. Bret Devereaux makes an art of it. Bret is a historian of antiquity and a Tolkien scholar, and he doesn’t suffer fools. He’s been going at it with the world of online chud “historians” — the fascists who say they’re fighting to defend “Western Civilization,” something they’ve never bothered to actually try to understand. And he has similarly choice words for the far right billionaire freaks who idolize, and utterly misunderstand, the Lord of the Rings.

This is a genuinely delightful conversation for nerds like us. But it’s also a serious look into the ways the far right misuses history and literature to advance their fucked up worldviews — and how we can fight back.

Check out Bret’s WONDERFUL blog, A Collection of Unmitigated Pedantry, at acoup.blog.

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On this episode of The Nation Podcast, editor D.D. Guttenplan talks to veteran journalist and broadcaster Ray Suarez about the gap between Donald Trump’s maximalist immigration rhetoric and his actual enforcement policy. Ray’s article appears in our June issue.

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The Transformation of the New York Waterfront w/ Karrie Jacobs | The Nation Podcast
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In its heyday, the Bush Terminal industrial complex spanned several city blocks along Brooklyn’s waterfront and employed more than 35,000 people. Built by Irving Bush in the late nineteenth century, it was an "early intermodal shipping hub." Goods arrived by water and left by rail. Bananas, coffee, and cotton came in through doors on one side of the warehouses and were loaded onto trains on the other.

But after World War II, as trucks replaced rail and shipping patterns changed, the Terminal’s purpose faded and the vast complex slipped into disuse.

Today, Bush Terminal is again at the center of New York’s vision for urban reinvention— and a debate around development, displacement, and the future of work in the city.

Joining us on a deep dive into Bush Terminal is veteran architecture critic and writer Karrie Jacobs. Her essayOn the Waterfront,” appears in our December issue of the Nation.

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Ray Suarezis a broadcaster, reporter, and author and the host of Going for Broke, a new podcast from The Nation and the Economic Hardship Reporting Project.


D.D. GuttenplanTwitterD.D. Guttenplan is a special correspondent for The Nation and the former host of The Nation Podcast. He served as editor of the magazine from 2019 to 2025 and, prior to that, as an editor at large and London correspondent. His books include American Radical: The Life and Times of I.F. Stone, The Nation: A Biography, and The Next Republic: The Rise of a New Radical Majority.


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