Chud of the Rings—With Bret Devereaux
Historian Bret Devereaux joins Fighting Fascism to examine how the far right distorts history, Western civilization, and Tolkien—and how those narratives can be challenged.
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Chud of the Rings w/ Bret Devereaux / Fighting Fascism
We all love making fun of fascists. But Dr. Bret Devereaux makes an art of it. Bret is a historian of antiquity and a Tolkien scholar, and he doesn’t suffer fools. He’s been going at it with the world of online chud “historians” — the fascists who say they’re fighting to defend “Western Civilization,” something they’ve never bothered to actually try to understand. And he has similarly choice words for the far right billionaire freaks who idolize, and utterly misunderstand, the Lord of the Rings.
This is a genuinely delightful conversation for nerds like us. But it’s also a serious look into the ways the far right misuses history and literature to advance their fucked up worldviews — and how we can fight back.
Check out Bret’s WONDERFUL blog, A Collection of Unmitigated Pedantry, at acoup.blog.
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Peter Thiel, president and founder of Clarium Capital Management LLC, during the Allen & Co. Media and Technology Conference in Sun Valley, Idaho, on July 10, 2026.
(David Paul Morris / Bloomberg via Getty Images)We all love making fun of fascists. But Dr. Bret Devereaux makes an art of it. Bret is a historian of antiquity and a Tolkien scholar, and he doesn’t suffer fools. He’s been going at it with the world of online chud “historians”—the fascists who say they’re fighting to defend “Western Civilization,” something they’ve never bothered to actually try to understand. And he has similarly choice words for the far-right billionaire freaks who idolize, and utterly misunderstand, The Lord of the Rings.
This is a genuinely delightful conversation for nerds like us. But it’s also a serious look into the ways the far right misuses history and literature to advance their fucked-up worldviews—and how we can fight back.
Check out Bret’s wonderful blog, A Collection of Unmitigated Pedantry.
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Brazil Also Fought Fascism! w/ Andre Pagliarini / Fighting Fascism
Hey! Smile! Good things are happening! The U.S. had an amazing election just now… and we weren’t the only ones. Brazil also recently experienced a massive victory against fascism, with President Lula defeating Flavio Bolsonaro (their equivalent of Don Trump Jr.) in a come-from-behind win that we frankly weren’t expecting.
To get the skinny on Lula, the Brazilian far right, and the lessons we can learn from this election, we spoke with Andre Pagliarini, a scholar of Brazilian politics and the guy who literally wrote the book on President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva (the Fighting Fascism family’s second favorite DaSilva).
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