Podcast / Jun 23, 2026

A Practical Guide to Messing With Big Tech Oligarchs—With Cory Doctorow

On this episode of Fighting Fascism, the man who named enshittification breaks down why AI is the biggest financial scam in history—and how to actually resist it.

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A Practical Guide to Messing with Big Tech Oligarchs w/ Cory Doctorow / Fighting Fascism
byThe Nation Magazine

Cory Doctorow, guy who coined the term enshittification, has been eviscerating Big Tech oligarchs for many years. He’s now turning his razor-sharp mind onto one of our most/least favorite topics: AI. His new book, The Reverse-Centaur’s Guide to Life After AI, is in many ways a practical guide for how to resist (actually resist, not just feel-good resist) the biggest financial scam in human history. Cory joins us to discuss what we should be really protesting when we protest AI. (And, at the end, we make sure to touch on his idea that Democrats should start preparing to prosecute the fascists who have so desperately got it coming, a.k.a., the Nuremberg Caucus.)

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Autonomous robotic dogs fitted with hyper-realistic silicone heads modeled after US entrepreneurs Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos come face to face as part of the interactive art installation.

Autonomous robotic dogs fitted with hyper-realistic silicone heads modeled after US entrepreneurs Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos come face to face as part of the interactive art installation.

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Cory Doctorow, guy who coined the term “enshittification,” has been eviscerating Big Tech oligarchs for many years. He’s now turning his razor-sharp mind onto one of our most/least favorite topics: AI. His new book, The Reverse Centaur’s Guide to Life After AI, is in many ways a practical guide for how to resist (actually resist, not just feel-good resist) the biggest financial scam in human history. Cory joins us to discuss what we should be really protesting when we protest AI. (And, at the end, we make sure to touch on his idea that Democrats should start preparing to prosecute the fascists who have so desperately got it coming, aka the Nuremberg Caucus.)

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Is Animal Welfare the Next MAHA? w/ Astra Taylor / Fighting Fascism
byThe Nation Magazine

Something weird is happening on the far right. MAGA influencers are calling out the pork industry. RFK Jr. is taking credit for militant animal rescue actions. And the animal welfare movement is taking notice. Astra Taylor joins us again to talk about a forthcoming article she and Aaron co-authored on the shifting political terrain around animal rights. The core question: Could this be the new MAHA (Make America Healthy Again)? A few years ago, it was impossible to imagine that crunchy moms who hate Monsanto would become a key part of Trump’s electoral coalition. But here we are, in part because Democrats created a vacuum on health issues that the right stepped into. We think something similar could be happening today with animal rights—which, if the left doesn’t wake up, could be very bad for all of us.

Fighting Fascism Podcast is produced by Nik Damants in collaboration with The Nation.

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Jonathan Smucker

Jonathan Smucker is cofounder and executive director of Popular Comms, a cofounder of Pennsylvania Stands Up, and the author of Hegemony How-To: A Roadmap for Radicals. He has worked for over 25 years as a political organizer, campaigner, and strategist, and has trained thousands of organizers and social movement participants.

Aaron Regunberg

Aaron Regunberg is a climate lawyer, a contributing editor at The New Republic, and a former Rhode Island state representative.

Matt DaSilva

Matt DaSilva is a co-host of the Fighting Fascism podcast.

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