Extraction Behind the Green Transition—With Thea Riofrancos
Danny and Derek welcome back to the show political scientist Thea Riofrancos to talk about the politics of extraction in the global energy transition.

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Danny and Derek welcome back to the show political scientist Thea Riofrancos to talk about the politics of extraction in the global energy transition. They explore the contradictions of green capitalism, the debate over degrowth and abundance, China’s role in lithium battery production, the history of lithium batteries, green industrial policy, U.S. oil and gas power, popular resistance to data centers and mining, where the Global South falls in renewable supply chains, and the environmental costs of green development.
Be sure to grab a copy of Extraction: The Frontiers of Green Capitalism.
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(Eddie Seal / Bloomberg via Getty Images)Danny and Derek welcome back to the show political scientist Thea Riofrancos to talk about the politics of extraction in the global energy transition. They explore the contradictions of green capitalism, the debate over degrowth and abundance, China’s role in lithium battery production, the history of lithium batteries, green industrial policy, U.S. oil and gas power, popular resistance to data centers and mining, where the Global South falls in renewable supply chains, and the environmental costs of green development.
Be sure to grab a copy of Extraction: The Frontiers of Green Capitalism.
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Danny and Derek are taking tango lessons in preparation for the White House Ballroom launch. In this week’s news roundup: a climate update and the opening of COP31 in Turkey (1:04); Trump adopts a “forever war” posture on Iran (3:33); the U.S. plans to extend its blockade of Iran to land routes (7:59); winter storms kill displaced Palestinians in Gaza as Israel blocks shelter materials and continues its attacks (11:01); Israeli President Isaac Herzog selects Gadi Eizenkot to form a government (13:52); China extends its suspension of tariffs on U.S. goods (17:31); Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang resigns amid Chinese espionage allegations and revelations of extramarital affairs (18:51); Sudan's military makes major gains in West Kordofan (22:00); the DRC's Ebola outbreak surpasses 11,000 confirmed cases (23:27), but Kenya discharges its last Ebola patient and begins the countdown to an Ebola-free declaration (25:44); U.S., Russian, and Ukrainian officials hold talks on a European security framework (26:41); hoax bomb threats disrupt flights and schools across Europe while French and U.S. authorities accuse Iranian hackers of cyberattacks on refrigeration systems (29:52); Paraguay's Senate removes President Santiago Peña from office (32:48); Salvadoran troops destroy the headquarters of Haiti's 400 Mawozo armed group (32:59); the U.S. military moves aircraft from a British airbase as Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent relocates to a military base, both in response to alleged Iranian threats (37:39).
Watch last night's livestream with Sam Biddle on the Nvidia story.
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