Conflict between Israel and Palestine has been escalating this week. For this podcast we have two segments about Palestinians; neither is about the current crisis, which changes daily. Rachel Kushner visited a Palestinian refugee camp in 2016—Shuafat, the only one inside Jerusalem—alongside a community organizer as he tried to solve massive problems. Her report, published originally in The New York Times Magazine, appears in her new book of nonfiction, The Hard Crowd.

And Adam Shatz talks about Edward Said, the leading voice of Palestinians in the US before he died in 2010. Said was also The Nation’s classical music critic, and Shatz, now an editor for the London Review of Books, was once The Nation’s literary editor—his work included editing Said’s pieces for the magazine.

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