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The Mamdani Interview—Plus, Trump in Court

On Start Making Sense: Katrina vanden Heuvel and John Nichols break down their exclusive chat, and David Cole talks about the president's lawfare tactics.

Jon Wiener

August 20, 2025

Zohran Mamdani in Brooklyn on August 17, 2025.(Michael Nigro / Pacific Press/LightRocket via Getty Images)

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The Mamdani Interview—Plus, Trump in Court | Start Making Sense
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In The Nation’s interview with Zohran Mamdani, he talks how he won the New York City Democratic primary for mayor, by addressing the city’s affordability crisis—and what the Democrats can learn from his victory. Katrina vanden Heuvel and John Nichols, who conducted the interview, introduce our excerpts and set the stage.

Also: It’s time to take a step back from the daily barrage of bad news to look at the big picture of the strategy Trump has been following: David Cole explains how he’s exploited the power of the federal government, not just to attack his political opponents – the Democratic Party – but to weaken the institutions of civil society, which form the bedrock of democracy.

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In The Nation’s interview with Zohran Mamdani, he talks about how he won the New York City Democratic primary for mayor by addressing the city’s affordability crisis—and what the Democrats can learn from his victory. Katrina vanden Heuvel and John Nichols, who conducted the interview, introduce excerpts and set the stage.

Also: It’s time to take a step back from the daily barrage of bad news to look at the big picture of the strategy Trump has been following. David Cole explains how he’s exploited the power of the federal government, to not just attack his political opponents in the Democratic Party but also weaken the institutions of civil society that form the bedrock of democracy.

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Election Protection in the Midterms, plus Racists and Neo-Nazis in the 1940s and 50s / Start Making Sense
byThe Nation Magazine

Trump’s efforts to block Democratic voting in the midterms, or overturn the results, is not going to work—Ian Bassin explains the widespread preparations underway for defending the election in November. Ian is co-founder of the organization Protect Democracy and winner of a MacArthur genius grant.

Also: In the aftermath of WWII, racists and antisemites organized to reverse the changes brought by the New Deal and the war, but their organizations were infiltrated and undermined by activists from the Anti-Defamation League, the American Jewish Committee, and the Non-­Sectarian Anti­-Nazi League. Steven J. Ross has that history – his new book is The Secret War Against Hate. 

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Jon WienerTwitterJon Wiener is a contributing editor of The Nation and co-author (with Mike Davis) of Set the Night on Fire: L.A. in the Sixties.


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