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Reasons for Hope in 2024; Plus the Bill Gates Problem

On this episode of the Start Making Sense podcast, John Nichols previews politics for this year, while Tim Schwab talks about Big Philanthropy.

Jon Wiener

January 4, 2024

Bill Gates speaks at the 2019 New York Times Dealbook.(Mike Cohen / Getty Images)

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Reasons for Hope in 2024: John Nichols, plus the Bill Gates Problem | Start Making Sense with Jon Wiener
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Hope is different from optimism – it’s an embrace of uncertainty, and a basis for action. The polls look bad for Joe Biden, but Democrats’ chances are much brighter in the House, and perhaps the Senate. John Nichols talks about reasons for hope in 2024, starting in the tipping point state of 2020, Wisconsin.

Also: Bill Gates is now the 6th richest man in the world, with 104 billion dollars. He’s spent the last 20 years giving away some of his money–the Gates Foundation gave away $7 billion in 2022. But with the money comes a host of problems. Tim Schwab will explain; his new book has a great title: “The Bill Gates Problem: Reckoning with the Myth of the Good Billionaire.”

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Hope is different from optimism: It’s an embrace of uncertainty, and a basis for action. The polls look bad for Joe Biden, but the Democrats’ chances are much brighter in the House, and perhaps the Senate, too. This week, John Nichols gives us some reasons to have hope in 2024, starting with the tipping point state of 2020—Wisconsin.

Also on this episode: Bill Gates is now the sixth-richest man in the world, with $104 billion to his name. He’s spent the last 20 years giving away some of his money—the Gates Foundation gave away $7 billion in 2022. But with that money comes a host of problems. Tim Schwab, author of The Bill Gates Problem: Reckoning with the Myth of the Good Billionaire, comes on the podcast to discuss.

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How LA Defeated Trump, Plus Bob Dylan’s Xmas | Start Making Sense
byThe Nation Magazine

In June, Trump sent more than 4,000 National Guard troops and 700 Marines to occupy Los Angeles and terrorize the immigrant population. But by the end of July, almost all the Guard and the Marines were gone. Bill Gallegos explains how that happened and what other cities can learn from it. 

Also: Bob Dylan fans have been puzzled and troubled by his Christmas album ever since he released it in 2009. To help figure out what Dylan was doing, we turn to Sean Wilentz. He’s author of Bob Dylan in America, and he also teaches history at Princeton. (Originally recorded in January, 2005.)​ 

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Jon WienerTwitterJon Wiener is a contributing editor of The Nation and co-author (with Mike Davis) of Set the Night on Fire: L.A. in the Sixties.


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