On this episode of Start Making Sense, David Cole talks about citizens defending the Constitution, and Rick Perlstein comments on Republican plans for the second Trump term.
Republican presidential nominee former president Donald Trump dances during a campaign rally.(Rebecca Noble / Getty Images)
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“Our worst enemy right now is not Trump himself, but fatalism about our ability to stop him.” That’s what David Cole says – he recently stepped down as National Legal Director of the ACLU, after 8 years and hundreds of lawsuits against the first Trump administration.
Also: Project 2025,the Heritage Foundation’s famous 900 page book, is partly “"too dumb to accomplish anything at all”–that’s what Rick Perlstein says. The rest, he says, can be read as a useful catalog of how we should focus our resistance.
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“Our worst enemy right now is not Trump himself but fatalism about our ability to stop him”—that’s what David Cole says on this episode of Start Making Sense. Cole recently stepped down as national legal director of the ACLU, after eight years and hundreds of lawsuits against the first Trump administration.
Also on this episode: Project 2025—The Heritage Foundation’s famous 900-page book—is partly “too dumb to accomplish anything at all,” according to our guest, Rick Perlstein. The rest, he says, can be read as a useful catalog of how we should focus our resistance.
Here's where to find podcasts from The Nation. Political talk without the boring parts, featuring the writers, activists and artists who shape the news, from a progressive perspective.
It’s been only a couple of weeks since the No Kings 3 protests, but we can see now how protest and resistance are changing in America: that one it wasn't just bigger than the previous No Kings. It was different: Deeper and more connected. Rebecca Solnit argues that to understand resistance and change today, we need a much longer perspective than a couple of years. Her new book is The Beginning Comes After the End.
Also: Minneapolis made history with its mobilization against ICE. But what about the rest of the state, where the immigrant population has been growing for a couple of decades? What kind of resistance has developed there? Emma Janssen went to small town Minnesota to find out. She’s a writing fellow at The American Prospect.
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Jon WienerTwitterJon Wiener is a contributing editor of The Nation and co-author (with Mike Davis) of Set the Night on Fire: L.A. in the Sixties.