On Monday, Katrina vanden Heuvel joined Ed Schultz and Atlantic editor-at-large Steven Clemons to discuss the state of cybersecurity in the event of the terrorist attacks in Paris last week. Vanden Heuvel began by saying that despite the “unity in the streets of Paris” on Sunday’s protests, these lessons are “being lost on people like Lindsey Graham, a foolish man who speaks untruths and fear mongers.” She also pointed to the push of invasion and occupation that followed the 9/11 attacks as the influence of less security in the face of terrorist attacks.

“There should be unity to find a different way to combat terrorism,” she said. “But we are not going to get wisdom from people like Lindsey Graham or John McCain, or I fear, some of the Democrats who have bought into a war against terrorism, which is making the US less secure, not more secure.”

—Hilary Weaver