Palin: Obama's "Downright Evil," But Hillary's O.K.

It is fair to say that former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin would rather go vegan than say something nice about President Obama.

The 2008 Republican nominee for vice president has, in many senses, become the face of anti-Obama sentiment, referring to the president's policies as "downright evil" and picking up on tea-party talk about the president leading American down the red road to socialism. She has even gone so far in her campaigning against healthcare reform to suggest that "Obama's 'death panel'" might have targeted her Down Syndrome baby.

And Palin's new book, Going Rogue: An American Life takes the Obama-as-threat-to-babies theme even further, renewing her 2008 campaign-trail charge that Obama engages in the "real extremism" of wanting to do in "babies born alive after botched abortions."

Never mind that Obama never expressed such a view, never mind that Time magazine fact-checked this claim a year ago and found it "misleading," never mind that Obama has actually disappointed many abortion rights advocates with his failure so far to fight to assure that any health care reform guarantees women access to reproductive health services. Palin is going rogue with the facts when it comes to Democrats she dislikes.

But that doesn't mean that Palin dislikes all Democrats.

Going Rogue is actually kind of sweet on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

"Should Secretary Clinton and I ever sit down over a cup of coffee, I know that we will fundamentally disagree on may issues, but my hat is off to her hard work on the 2008 campaign trail," Palin says in the book that will officially be released Tuesday. "Compared to the guys she squared off against, a lot of her supporters think she proved what Margaret Thatcher proclaimed: 'If you want something said, ask a man. If you want something done, ask a woman.'"

Palin even sort of apologizes to Clinton for ridiculing the former first lady and senator's complaints about her treatment by the press.

"I wasn't really accusing her of whining," observes Palin. "Still, before criticizing her on this point, I should have walked a mile in her shoes. I can see now that she had every right to call the media on biased treatment that ended up affecting her candidacy. In fact, I should have applauded her because she was right..."

Though the former governor trashes writers for NBC's "Saturday Night Live" in Going Rogue -- accusing them of presenting her with a script that "wasn't all that funny" and saying that when she appeared on the show she thought: "C'mon, New York talent, we can do better than that" -- this rumination is something of a reprise of a 2008 campaign-season skit that had cast members Tina Fey and Amy Poehler as Palin and Clinton, respectively.

That skit included this exchange:

Palin (Fey): "You know, Hillary and I don't agree on everything..."

Clinton (Poehler): "Anything!"

On the eve of Palin's publication date, Clinton's being gracious.

Asked on ABC's "This Week" about the kind words from the first woman ever to run on a Republican ticket, the woman who wanted to head the 2008 Democratic ticket said:

"Well you know, I've never met her, and I'd look forward to sit down and talk with her. Obviously we're going to hear a lot more from her in the upcoming week, with her book coming up and I would look forward to having a chance to get to meet her."

It is hard to imagine that Palin and Clinton have moved far beyond the "don't-agree-on-everything/anything" stage. After all, Clinton is, if anything, more pro-choice than Obama. And Clinton, because of her work in the 1990s, is at least as associated as Obama with the sort health-care reform advocacy that Palin so derides. And, of course, there is the inconvenient detail for those who would seek to divide and conquer that Clinton serves in Obama's administration.

But their coffee date would, undoubtedly, be more friendly than a get together between Palin her former running-mate, John McCain, whose former aides and allies are doing a lot more griping about Going Rogue than the Obama or Clinton camps.

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For more about the former governor of Alaska, check out GOING ROUGE: Sarah Palin – An American Nightmare, a terrific new collection of essays on the woman from Wasilla (including two by this writer), which has been ably edited by The Nation's Richard Kim and Betsy Reed. Going Rouge is the really rogue book for Americans who think "maverick" is a state of mind -- not a political slogan.

Comments (58)

1. i really, really, really hope palin runs in 2012.

   Posted by darladoon at 11/15/2009 @ 11:30am

2. no more balloon lady!

   please!!!!!!!!!

   Posted by frosty zoom at 11/15/2009 @ 11:31am

3. careful what you wish for, darla.

   Posted by frosty zoom at 11/15/2009 @ 11:32am

4. "One lesson from the last few years is that movement conservatives are never responsible--they are always victims circumstance, the Liberal Media, or of nefarious "moderates" and "RINOs" that nobody previously noticed being in charge in the GOP."

   We should probably add Obama the evil antichrist, socialists, unions and other groups for our local conservative troll population.

   http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2009/11/15/ conservative-votes-right-wing-victims/

   Posted by srjenkins at 11/15/2009 @ 11:46am

5. Palin is a share the wealth socialist,but her supporters are too busy drooling over her body parts to figure that out.

   Posted by i'm nobody at 11/15/2009 @ 12:02pm

6. Aside from pushing now-standardized GOP lies, Palin has faced numerous ethics investigations between the conduct of herself and her husband. Something from those could hit the fan yet. Thinking she is leadership material, is in itself enough to render one ignorant -- saw a cool site; Balkingpoints ; incredible satellite view of earth

   Posted by reg373 at 11/15/2009 @ 12:31pm

7. This woman is so stupid that it continually boggles the mind that she can actually string together enough words for a single sentence.

   Posted by Winski at 11/15/2009 @ 12:32pm

8. Politicians are trapped by our corporate hegemony. It doesn't matter what the hell she says. The economy will still suck.

   Much like Obama, if she becomes president through a series of strange events she'll soon realize that, short of disassembling the entire political system, she'll have no power to influence the things she wants to 'change'.

   And all the righties talking about the founding fathers here on this blog are in for a great disappointment when they finally realize that Ms. Palin has no idea who they are.

   All that is IF she becomes president. Which she won't. Unless it's a PALIN/PREJEAN ticket!

   So... Palin, Huckabee, Romney, Dobbs... It's gonna be a lot like 'HEE-HAW 2012'.

   Posted by ficheye at 11/15/2009 @ 1:13pm

9. why even pay attention to the wasila bimbo?

   Posted by excalibur999 at 11/15/2009 @ 1:44pm

10. Nichols, we know you and the left all hate conservative women. So what is your obsession at the Nation with so many articles on her?

    And why does your headline lie? In the body of the piece you correctly state it is Obama's policies that Palin (and most of us on the right) find to be evil. She did not call Obama evil.

    Just the usual leftist distortion and lying.

    Posted by antisocialist at 11/15/2009 @ 1:55pm

11. >>>Going Rogue is actually kind of sweet on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. <<<

    Self-serving divide-and-conquer bullcrap!

    A TOO obvious play to "Hillary voters" who she and her advisers perceive are still mad at Obama.

    At least we know she is not much of a political strategist.

    Posted by Metteyya at 11/15/2009 @ 1:59pm

12. I feel the reason behind most of our troubles and the need for TEA Parties is the government's ability to print up whatever money it wants to manipulate us.

    Maybe this will help make the danger of fiat money clear.

    Imagine you and me are setting across from each other. We create enough money to represent all of the world's wealth. Each one of us has one SUPER Dollar in front of him.

    You own half of everything and so do I.

    I'm the government though. I get bribed into creating a Central Bank.

    You're not doing what I want you to be doing so I print up myself eight more SUPER Dollars to manipulate you with.

    All of a sudden your SUPER Dollar only represents one tenth of the wealth of the world!

    That isn't the only thing though. You need to get busy and get to work because YOU'VE BEEN STIFFED with the bill for the money I PRINTED UP to get YOU TO DO what I WANTED.

    That to me represents what has been happening to the economy, and us, and why so many of our occupations just can't keep up with the fake money presses.

    They have been beating us with our own stick!!!!1

    Posted by StokeyBob at 11/15/2009 @ 2:29pm

13. "Nichols, we know you and the left all hate conservative women"

    antisocialist just loves to use the word "hate"

    all you have to do is substitute "hate" for "critical", and that's what it means....

    anyone critical of anything is "full of hatred"

    Posted by darladoon at 11/15/2009 @ 3:18pm

14. And why does your headline lie? In the body of the piece you correctly state it is Obama's policies that Palin (and most of us on the right) find to be evil. She did not call Obama evil. Just the usual leftist distortion and lying.

    Posted by antisocialist at 11/15/2009 @ 1:55pm

    And you accuse Mask and I of parsing too finely. Come on, Larry. You know what Sarah really thinks.

    And evil? Evil policy? You could say misguided, or ineffectual, but evil is pushing it. I could say Palin herself is somewhat evil. Her book is already being reviewed for some errant ventures away from the truth and into fantasy. Isn't lying purposefully an evil thing?

    If Obama was evil, then it would follow that you buy into the Alex Jones 'New World Order' accusations about him.

    Posted by ficheye at 11/15/2009 @ 3:54pm

15. Remembering who championed inequitable free trade who signed off on deregulation without a qualm, and who sat on Wal*Mart's board for six years, I am not exactly surprised that Palin would find a Clinton to her liking.

    Twin sisters of different mothers, and all...'cept Palin apparently may have been dropped on her head as a baby.

    Posted by ibsteve2u at 11/15/2009 @ 3:57pm

16. Fannie Lou Hamer's famous quote about the Dem's sellout of the MFDP wasn't spoken in the king's english, but I don't think she should be condemned as a subhuman hick.

    The Palin obsession is yukky, but cons need to understand that it is powerful stuff. The MSMs hatred of Rockwellian middle american-ness has reached a point of Eichmannesque hyperbole. In today's lefty cracker stylebook, Roy Rogers = Bull Connor.

    Bush was not a movement conservative. From the beginning, the hatred was more about style than substance. He was a stand-in for white guys in OK named Bob.

    The lefties are blind to how their hyperbole affects issues like the health care debate. "Hey, we think you're all Nazis but we promise we'll do everything we can for you so you can live a long life of being a Nazi and hating gays and waging war against Muslim babies." OK.

    Still, cons cannot afford a repeat of the style deficiency that enabled the MSM to sneak in the Messiah. Go with a black Repub like Watts.

    And forget Jindal. Yeah, he's great but he doesn't have a masculine jaw. If Jindal was Jindal but looked like Shah Rukh Khan, he'd be money in the bank. But he doesn't.

    Posted by gangpapist at 11/15/2009 @ 4:16pm

17. stokeybob said: "I feel the reason behind most of our troubles and the need for TEA Parties is the government's ability to print up whatever money it wants to manipulate us. "

    If you think of money as the lifeblood of our economy, and consider that all of those except the top tier re-inject most of what they earn back into the economy through purchasing/renting the necessities of life, you'd see that the top tier's ever increasing drain upon our economy is the equivalent of Dracula clamping himself onto the body American.

    Why do you think the M3 money supply figures were eliminated on March 23rd 2006, after Bush and the Republicans' tax cuts completed the right's effort to turn America's economic circulatory system into a one-way street (artery?)?

    lolll...without the ability to print incredible sums of new money, the rate at which the top tier was/is diverting money to themselves thanks to "flood-up/trickle-down" economics and the consequential and exponential increase in their greed - compounded by inequitable free trade with the resultant massive trade deficits, and further aggravated by the speculation of banks, hedge funds, and high net worth individuals in oil - would have caused our economy to simply dry up around 2002 or 2003.

    Posted by ibsteve2u at 11/15/2009 @ 4:24pm

18. "Nichols, we know you and the left all hate conservative women"

    Not as much as they seem to hate themselves.

    Posted by kennyboy at 11/15/2009 @ 4:40pm

19. Posted by ibsteve2u at 11/15/2009 @ 4:24pm

    Do you honestly still believe that you can make the rich pay taxes? Regards the banking mafia, their pay IS taxes.

    You have the leftiest guy you'll ever get, and he is not going to touch these guys. As long as Pelosi can build her statist nightmares, their power is not a threat to state power, which is all the Dems are concerned with.

    The only conceivable type we could sneak in who would take these guys on would be a populist, traditional believer in TRUE free markets, but that guy would be torn to shreds by both the left and the right.

    Wake up. Most of the Palin-obsessed MSM and Nation staff live in Manhattan alongside the Wall Street parasites. They eat in the same restaraunts, send their kids to the same schools, hook-up for one-nighters in the same bars. Any pretense of animosity is false. Their tactic is to keep the rest of us embroiled in culture wars and tribalism. The magnification of Palin-types from plain vanilla yokels into wannabe Hitlers is part of that game.

    Posted by gangpapist at 11/15/2009 @ 5:12pm

20. The lefties are blind to how their hyperbole affects issues like the health care debate. "Hey, we think you're all Nazis but we promise we'll do everything we can for you so you can live a long life of being a Nazi and hating gays and waging war against Muslim babies." OK.

    Posted by gangpapist at 11/15/2009 @ 4:16pm

    Point taken, but...

    I realize that it's not very mature to just engage in tit-for-tat name calling. Aren't the conservatives at the tea parties and in general being a lot more vocal and obvious about calling Obama a Nazi, everyone else a socialist, there's Joe Wilson and others to consider...

    Except for this forum, I think there's a lot more hyperbole being meted out by conservatives. I saw a bumper sticker this week with a picture of Obama that said "Mother Fucking Socialist". I haven't seen anything like that from the 'liberals'.

    I'm more of an independent. I could give a shit at this point, in view of the ownership of us by our corporate hegemony and our virtual helplessness against those giants. But there's no way that the complacent liberals have been more vocal with the negative rhetoric than the conservatives. If anything, they have been sheeplike in their demeanor except for just a few.

    This forum is different. Myself included, there are a lot of very vocal curmudgeons who want to piss on each others head. Ain't free speech grand?

    Posted by ficheye at 11/15/2009 @ 5:31pm

21. Posted by ficheye at 11/15/2009 @ 5:31pm

    Agreed that the right have now co-opted the "Nazi" thing. I'm equal opportunity against equating fill-in-the-blank whatever with Hitlerism.

    Not necessarily in the blogosphere, but in the MSM (exception Fox), I think middle america takes the brunt of the hyperbole. Christians are barely mentionable in any other than a negative light, in a very Christian country. And the over-reaching PC phenomena comes mostly from the Left.

    Ironically, the many Howard "show me your ass" Stern hucksters that have made their livings off of anti-PC sentiment reveal something in common between social cons and the Left. But they will never admit it.

    Wall Street, politicians from both parties, nihilists shock jocks and pop stars, frat boys, and lumpen proletariat thugs basically share the same value system: get paid, get power, get my di** sucked, fu** anybody who gets in my way.

    The Left and social cons (Christian, Muslim, or Jewish), while they have VERY different agendas, both promote lifestyle choices based on motivations other than self-gratification, prefer politeness over misogyny, sexual exploitation, and virulent homophobia, send "missionaries" to different cultures to win converts, etc. But the Leftist MSM singles out only the white, Christian, social cons for its abuse, because, in my opinion, it is they who are the most suspicious, traditionally, of the State as an engine for altruism.

    Posted by gangpapist at 11/15/2009 @ 6:14pm

22. Seems to me that Nichols just hates women who are in a postion of power. Let's keep them barefoot and pregnant, right Nichols?

    Posted by abell12ct at 11/15/2009 @ 6:23pm

23. the ownership of us by our corporate hegemony and our virtual helplessness against those giants

    Posted by ficheye at 11/15/2009 @ 5:31pm

    Well said. And the corporate domination = ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox, Viacom daily inoculations of

    fake, stupid, herd-food

    World Wrestling approach to political coverage

    buffoons like Palin-the-Arctic-Airhead

    ----cue the ominous smoke/music/light show----------'red road to socialism'-------'policies of evil'-----babykillers-----

    ---like Cheney's aidin' n' abettin'----he might be back in '12!----CHENEY-PALIN, anti's creamin'

    Posted by winyahn at 11/15/2009 @ 6:26pm

24. g p-Are you Tom Price in disguise? What has been so hard in your conservative life? Paper get delivered on the wrong side of the door?Ah,it is philosophy that has you opening doors slowly.

    Posted by whatozz at 11/15/2009 @ 7:07pm

25. Posted by whatozz at 11/15/2009 @ 7:07pm

    Can't you tell that I'm not a good con? I'm a lib who followed the Orwell/Hitchens trajectory. I'm often caught defending our American provincials because 1) they are more liberal than the Hard Left 2) demonizing the provincials has historically been the MO of Statist genocidaires.

    Posted by gangpapist at 11/15/2009 @ 7:22pm

26. I am resigned to have Palin in the media forever....well, at least, to 2012. But you know, as long as she stays longer, her gaffes and logical inconsistencies should be more evident. How evident to her public? That is a big question, but only goes to demonstrate how far the public in the extreme right goes to vote only for "appearance or identification", and not for: 1) A bigger and coherent system of ideas, 2) A person that has leadership and can innovate under new or difficult circumstances, 3) A thinker...

    By the way, does she have live parents (or her husband) and are they using the government evil more commonly known as MEDICARE?

    Posted by Frank42 at 11/15/2009 @ 7:35pm

27. Why won't Sarah Palin show us her birth certificate ? I mean: the REAL one . . . the one that gives her true name: "Svetlana".

    She could clear this controversy up in a matter of minutes, if she wanted to. But she won't. She has shown herself to be such a colossal liar in the past, why should she change now ?

    Her lies: . . . http://tinyurl.com/Lies-of-Sarah-the-Victim

    . . . meanwhile, she and Hillary can look forward to having coffee together -- a Caffeine Twit-Fest

    Posted by WingnutsLie at 11/15/2009 @ 8:17pm

28. Gee, Mr. Nichols, you sure like to make a living off of a "remarkably, overwhelmingly, mind-numbingly ordinary" Sarah Palin.

    Posted by Happy at 11/15/2009 @ 9:02pm

29. Why won't Sarah Palin show us her birth certificate ? I mean: the REAL one . . . the one that gives her true name: "Svetlana".

    Posted by WingnutsLie at 11/15/2009 @ 8:17pm

    That's good.

    I think the REAL controversy about her will be... she doesn't have a hunting or fishing license.

    In Alaska that's even worse than not having a birth certificate.

    Posted by ficheye at 11/15/2009 @ 9:28pm

30. Posted by gangpapist at 11/15/2009 @ 6:14pm

    I'm with you gang... I thought I was a liberal once, until I realized that to be a true liberal meant that you had to buy into some stuff that you just didn't agree with. Third trimester abortions, for one.

    I am a big fan of just using plain common sense to decide what you think, period. Buying into a side, left or right, just ain't where it's at if we're going to survive each other. But having some conservative AND liberal philosophies is more where most Americans are at, I think. Or I hope.

    I guess that's why I ceaselessly hack on chermak. He has to identify me with a side and win an argument on those terms. I'm not perfect though... it's all a work in progress. I just hope that America wins and not somebody's team.

    I'll say it again and again.. If you lean too hard to the left or the right... you fall over.

    Posted by ficheye at 11/15/2009 @ 9:37pm

31. gangpapist's posts are extremely nauseating.

    Posted by darladoon at 11/15/2009 @ 9:54pm

32. why even pay attention to the wasila bimbo?

    Posted by excalibur999 at 11/15/2009 @ 1:44pm

    "ightwing Sparkle: This lady rocked the house, she rocked the T.V., She rocked the country. She hit Obama hard on the things where he is weak."

    "A Jeffersonian on September 4th, 2008 1:41 am For those of us who saw Governor Palin's acceptance speech, we saw the birth of the new Republican Party. She explained much of what we were hoping she would. Governor Palin and Governor Jindal of Louisiana are the stars of tomorrow and the next generation of Reagan."

    "Wild Thing on September 4th, 2008 3:02 am Thank you so much. She was totally awesome, I am so proud of her. God bless Sarah and her family. America needs her."

    "Donovan on September 4th, 2008 7:28 am I think we have here a woman worthy of the title " Lady Reagan". She could give away a ball each to Obama and Biden and still have more than either one of them."

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    "Unemployment Projections Through 2020 - It Looks Grim

    Inquiring minds are interested in figuring out how long it might take to get back to "full employment" defined as 5%.

    John Mauldin touched upon this theme in Welcome to the New Normal."

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    maybe some more violence somewhere to scare people.

    Posted by frosty zoom at 11/15/2009 @ 10:31pm

33. If you lean too hard to the left or the right... you fall over.

    Posted by ficheye at 11/15/2009 @ 9:37pm

    not if you're a flounder.

    Posted by frosty zoom at 11/15/2009 @ 10:34pm

34. Gee, Mr. Nichols, you sure like to make a living off of a "remarkably, overwhelmingly, mind-numbingly ordinary" Sarah Palin.

    Posted by Happy at 11/15/2009 @ 9:02pm

    that's funny happy.

    ms. palin's "approach" has all the digestibility of a bigmacwithfries.

    http://i.imgur.com/eaHOq.jpg

    Posted by frosty zoom at 11/15/2009 @ 10:36pm

35. And the over-reaching PC phenomena comes mostly from the Left.

    Posted by gangpapist at 11/15/2009 @ 6:14pm

    not if the subject is foreign policy.

    but hey, the sides aren't left versus right, rather up versus down.

    COIKE! PLEPSI!

    Posted by frosty zoom at 11/15/2009 @ 10:39pm

36. More Palin bashing I see. And the book isn't even out yet. Well I'll tell you what. I'll read the book as soon as it gets here and I'll report truthfully what Sarah has to say. My comments will not be filtered through any mudslinging leftwing prism or adoring rightwing view. My comments will be from the point of view of an independent. You folks can translate them any way you like. I however will give my honest assessment.

    Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/15/2009 @ 10:46pm

37. "I'll read the book as soon as it gets here and I'll report truthfully what Sarah has to say"

    gee, i can't wait.

    Posted by darladoon at 11/15/2009 @ 11:05pm

38. palin and gunslinger in a nutshell:

    "The answer lies beyond the realm of polls and punditry in the political psychology of the movement that animates and, to a great degree, controls, the Republican grassroots -- a uniquely evangelical subculture defined by the personal crises of its believers and their perceived persecution at the hands of cosmopolitan elites.

    By emphasizing her own crises and her victimization by the "liberal media," Palin has established an invisible, indissoluble bond with adherents of that subculture -- so visceral it transcends any rational political analysis. As a result, her career has become a vehicle through which the right-wing evangelical movement feels it can express its deepest identity in opposition both to secular society and to its representatives in the Obama White House. Palin is perceived by its leaders -- and followers -- not as another cynical politician or even as a self-promoting celebrity, but as a kind of magical helper, the God-fearing glamour girl who parachuted into their backwater towns to lift them from the drudgery of everyday life, assuring them that they represented the "Real America."

    -max blumenthal

    Posted by darladoon at 11/15/2009 @ 11:21pm

39. -max blumenthal Posted by darladoon at 11/15/2009 @ 11:21pm

    Not bad, Darla.

    Or Max, I should say. ...................

    More Palin bashing I see.

    Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/15/2009 @ 10:46pm

    C'mon gunny... life is tragic in this economy. It's fun to make fun of Sarah! She set herself up for it. Besides, people only make fun of her when she comes out of hiding. Everybody else gets poked at the rest of the time. She is not the angel of deliverance, nor is she perfect. However, if you like her I will respect that. the Blumenthal quote above is a pretty fair rendering of the actuality of her reality.

    Posted by ficheye at 11/15/2009 @ 11:38pm

40. Palin wants to have coffee with the Sec. of State? Think Rush will declare that scenario to be..feminazious?

    Posted by Sorelish at 11/16/2009 @ 12:28am

41. Things I'd like to know:

    - Why is spreading the 'oil wealth' back to Alaskans not socialism?

    - Why is the poverty line 25% higher for a family of 4 in her state versus the continental US?

    - What will the TeaParty(tm) do when a rift forms between the followers of Saint Sarah and the Dobb-sians?

    - Will Cherm accept my bet and move to Detroit when she can't even get past the primary?

    Posted by snowball777 at 11/16/2009 @ 06:36am

42. It's time for Obama to go. He is worse than Jimmy Carter. Among the worst presidents ever on foreign policy. It is time he was shoved aside to let Hill and Bill take over. The only good thing that you can say about him is he is a great father and family man, but all the unemployed middle class around the country think he is a clueless putz. He has wrecked the economy this year. Lost focus on issue of Jobs, Jobs, Jobs. He is going to burden Middle class with largest tax hike in 50 years and health care reform that no-one other than lazy good for nothing welfare deadbeats want. Here is my suggestion it is time to make everyone feel the pain. No more free rides for the poor they need to pay their fare share also. Slash goverment spending in half. Including workdays and pay of all goverment civil service workers abolish their worthless unions. If they don't like it do like Reagon did with the Air Traffic Controlers fire them and see how many othe people apply for their jobs. Immigration reform Parent illegal, kids are illegal unless one parent is US citizen. Otherwise hard line pick them up ship them back. Also deny them all social services and education. By the may to Kristina Vandenhovel Joe is right about Obama and you need to watch more tv and read more. He is sliding harder in polls than any other president has in first year in office. He should not apolagize about anything done by US on a world stage. Also Cap and Trade is a joke tell Chinga and Asia to clean up their act first or we will tax their imports

    Posted by bullshitnation at 11/16/2009 @ 07:28am

43. 'Time magazine fact-checked this claim' -- John Nichols -- 15 November, 2009

    Time Magazine -- 13 October, 2008

    'The reality is very different. Between 2001 and '03, Obama repeatedly voted to oppose bills in the Illinois senate that would have declared, simply, that any child "born alive" as a result of an abortion shall be protected as a "human person" under the law. The bills broadly defined a live birth as any child outside the mother who shows voluntary movement, breathes or has a beating heart, among other attributes.

    At the time, as the Obama campaign has pointed out, Illinois state law already required doctors to provide medical treatment for all children born after abortions who demonstrated viability, which was defined under the law as a "reasonable likelihood of sustained survival of the fetus outside the womb, with or without artificial support." The Born Alive legislation, therefore, would have primarily impacted a different category of babies -- those born with life signs that doctors decided did not have a reasonable chance of survival.' -- http://www.time.com/time /printout/0,8816,1849483,00.html

    Posted by HonestLiberal at 11/16/2009 @ 08:58am

44. Be careful what you wish for, Darla. A country that is sick enough to nominate Palin in 2012 may just be sick enough to ELECT her. ELECTIVE cancer, what a concept.

    Posted by DejaVu at 11/16/2009 @ 09:27am

45. HILLARY/PALIN TATE-A-TETE Coffee talk or Kiss of Death

    During the primaries, there were talks of Bill Clinton's possible meeting with Sarah Palin. Now, Hillary is encouraging a meeting with Palin. Hillary may think that it is smart politics, or that it is simply a woman-to-woman thing. But such a meeting has high risks for a Secretary of State. It would draw her back to politics--especially of the most negative type. It would give the former Alaskan Governor the broad appeal and credibility that she presently lacks. Hillary and Bill are egomaniacs who always like to get attention and, like Palin, be on the stage. Obviously, Palin calculatedly massaged Hillary's ego by the adoring mention she gave the Secretary of State in her roughish book--and it went into Hillary's head nicely. I predict, however, that should such a coffee talk ever take place, it will be a kiss of death for Hillary in the progressive camp! What Hillary stands to gain from it is much more than what she will lose. It will remind voters that there is some alignment between Hillary's politics and Palin's politics. After all, both introduced extreme, roughish even destructive language against Obama during the 2008 campaign. The negative campaign of both of these women helped kill their ultimate political ambition especially among independents and minorities. And here we go again! Dr. Sam

    Posted by drsam8 at 11/16/2009 @ 09:32am

46. Ya' gotta admit, Palin got her marketing strategy straight from Bush, the zionists, or both. Always playing the victim has worked wonders for the zionists, and playing the STUPID victim was rule #1 for Bush. Being stupid (or stupid victims) is now VERY fashionable, and profitable, since most of the country can easily relate.

    Posted by DejaVu at 11/16/2009 @ 09:40am

47. Ya' gotta admit, Palin got her marketing strategy straight from Bush, the zionists, or both. Always playing the victim has worked wonders for the zionists, and playing the STUPID victim was rule #1 for Bush. Being stupid (or stupid victims) is now VERY fashionable, and profitable, since most of the country can easily relate.

    Posted by DejaVu at 11/16/2009 @ 09:40am

    For the rabid anti-semites, even an unrelated blog about Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton is an excuse to post their hate message against Jews.

    Dejavu must dream of gas chambers at night with him in his little SS black uniform

    Posted by antisocialist at 11/16/2009 @ 09:56am

48. Posted by antisocialist at 11/16/2009 @ 09:56am

    Really nice....from someone who claims to be a man of G-d.

    Posted by BlackFrancis at 11/16/2009 @ 10:09am

49. Posted by antisocialist at 11/16/2009 @ 09:56am

    Really nice....from someone who claims to be a man of G-d.

    Posted by BlackFrancis at 11/16/2009 @ 10:09am

    what don't you understand about confronting hate mongers who want all Jews dead?

    Or perhaps you also share Dejavu's hatred of the Jews?

    Posted by antisocialist at 11/16/2009 @ 10:39am

50. Or perhaps you also share Dejavu's hatred of the Jews?

    Posted by antisocialist at 11/16/2009 @ 10:39am

    No, I am married to a Jewish woman.

    What I hate is your holier than thou attitude.

    Posted by BlackFrancis at 11/16/2009 @ 10:42am

51. GOIN' ROUGE OR GOIN' ROGUE IN 12!!!

    all real uhmuhricuns stand proud and have faith in yer milfy queen!

    before that socialist mule-latto furren born monkey can turn this fine pearly white nation into the united socialist soviet republic of mud race amurika...

    SARY WILL SAVE US!!!!

    ROUGE OR ROGUE IN 12!!!!*

    *"rouge" means "red" in that faggy sissy commie talk "french"**

    **afore thuh 2000 elekshun, red was associated with socialism***

    ***socialism = bad and un-american. if still confused, that's ok...

    Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/16/2009 @ 10:52am

52. Dejavu must dream of gas chambers at night with him in his little SS black uniform

    Posted by antisocialist at 11/16/2009 @ 09:56am

    Your making an extreme leap of logic. One can be against zionism and be jewish. So just because Deja does not like zionists does not make him dream of gas chambers.

    In case you missed it, zionism is a political movement for the support of the state of Israel. NOT all jews support zionism or zionism, in reality zionism has very little to do with the jewish faith.

    You continually scream antisemite anytime someone complains about zionism. You need to learn the meanings of the words your using to understand that not all green fruit are apples. No one calls you a racist everytime you criticize Obama.

    Posted by Extraneous at 11/16/2009 @ 11:25am

53. Posted by antisocialist at 11/16/2009 @ 09:56am

    Really nice....from someone who claims to be a man of G-d.

    Posted by BlackFrancis at 11/16/2009 @ 10:09am

    There seems to be a growing movement towards hate and intolerance from the very people who are saying we should love one another and be more tolerant. Dare I use the much reviled LOL?

    I guess they're running out of patience - that damned apocalypse was supposed to happen... well, uh, 2000 years ago!

    Posted by ficheye at 11/16/2009 @ 11:37am

54. I guess they're running out of patience - that damned apocalypse was supposed to happen... well, uh, 2000 years ago!

    Posted by ficheye at 11/16/2009 @ 11:37am

    Oh, but this time they're very confident that it will happen in their lifetimes. 'Cause G-d was waiting for the true believers to arrive on the stage. They're special doncha know. You betcha! :)

    Posted by BlackFrancis at 11/16/2009 @ 12:07pm

55. NOT all jews support zionism or zionism*, in reality zionism has very little to do with the jewish faith.

    Posted by Extraneous at 11/16/2009 @ 11:25am

    *make that not all jew support zionism or Israel.

    Posted by Extraneous at 11/16/2009 @ 12:35pm

56. make that not all jew support zionism or Israel.

    Posted by Extraneous at 11/16/2009 @ 12:35pm

    Especially secular, self-hating Jews.

    Posted by antisocialist at 11/16/2009 @ 3:20pm

57. Hey, speaking of accomplished women the Left love to hate here's Ann Coulter. You have to admit that as far as cheap shots go, this is pretty funny:

    ********

    According to witnesses, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan entered a medical facility at Fort Hood, prayed briefly, then shouted "Allahu akbar" before he began gunning down American troops. Now I don't know which to be more afraid of: Muslims or government-run health care systems.

    Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 11/16/2009 @ 5:02pm

58. Hillary Clinton qualified her willingness to meet with Sarah Palin, saying that she is neither a candidate for governor of New York nor for the presidency of the United States. It would mean nothing to either woman's politics. Both have firm, strongly held views, and are not going to change each other's minds. If they are curious about each other, whether because of Campaign '08, or because both have harbored presidential ambitions since their youth, why shouldn't they meet?

    Posted by nat_reader at 11/16/2009 @ 8:32pm

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