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RedditSarah Palin's Going Rogue: An American Life (HarperCollins) is being pitched by her publisher as "one ordinary citizen's extraordinary journey."
That's about right.
Palin is ordinary -- remarkably, overwhelmingly, mind-numbingly ordinary.
Back in the day, it seemed as if she might be extraordinary. When I started writing about her in 2006, the year that Palin took on the good old boys of Alaskan Republican politics, she seemed intriguing -- even a little, dare we say it, rogue.
The story of a small-town mayor mounting a primary challenge to a sitting governor of her own party -- who also happened to be a former US senator and an insider of the highest order in a state where the Grand Old Party is so inbred that it is still nominating the same people it was running in the first elections after statehood was achieved -- was appealing. The shoot-from-the-hip (and the helicopter) mayor of Wasilla seemed to come with fewer strings attached then most Alaskan politicians, be they Republicans or Democrats.
Palin's few months as governor quickly disabused anyone who was paying attention to the notion that she was a reformer. After wrangling a bit with the powerful oil lobby -- in a fight that saw her make common cause with liberal Democrats in the legislature -- she soon embarked upon a career of cronyism and abuses of power.
Had John McCain's presidential campaign bothered to vet Palin, she never would have been tapped to join the GOP's 2008 ticket. But McCain, always a seat of the pants flier, went with his gut and got sucker punched.
Palin was precisely the wrong running mate for McCain.
While the senator from Arizona was a maverick who sought to reach far beyond the boundaries of the Republican Party in hopes of actually winning the presidency, Palin had far more ordinary ambitions.
She was delighted to preach to the choir.
Palin wanted to be the queen of the conservatives, and perhaps the matron of what remained of the Republican Party after George Bush and Dick Cheney were done with it.
But she never evidenced the determination of a John McCain or a Barry Goldwater -- let alone a Ronald Reagan -- to build conservatism into a brand that might appeal to enough Americans to actually win a national election.
The most amusing of Palin's apologists stare longingly enough at her photos to see something Reaganesque.
They need to look again.
Reagan was all about big ideas. You could disagree with the guy, but you could not question his boldness -- or the enthusiasm that went with it. Palin's the opposite; her idea of a "big idea" wouldn't make it as a footnote in the Reagan lexicon.
Palin has never had grand ideas or grand ambitions -- a point reinforced frequently in the 413-page-long Going Rogue. She has always been more than satisfied with petty squabbles inside the party and on its fringe; witness the delight with which she joined the sniping over the conservative credentials of the Republican nominee in this month's special election to fill the District 23 congressional seat in upstate New York.
Where Reagan tried to erect a big tent, Palin is busy kicking the infidels out of a very small temple.
Reagan read newspapers and magazines by the stack, combing them for information, ideas and new ways to argue the conservative brief. Palin can't be bothered, as her agonizing interviews last fall with Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric illustrated. (In Going Rogue, and in a soft-focus interview with Oprah Winfrey, Palin slaps Couric around, accusing the CBS anchor of skipping "substantive" questions and going for "gotcha moments." Tellingly, the former governor does not dwell on why it was that those "gotcha moments" were so easily gotten.)
Reagan loved the base -- and they loved him -- but he was all about reaching beyond it.
Can anyone seriously imagine Reagan appearing at a major gathering of social conservatives, as Palin did November 6, when she addressed a gala fund raiser for the Wisconsin Right to Life Education Fund, and trying to prohibit media coverage -- along with "cell phones, recording devices, video and still cameras."
And it is downright comic to think that Reagan would have embarked on a national book tour that was organized to "avoid Democratic cities" -- as is Palin's -- and that steers primarily toward the warm embrace of FOX and friends TV and radio interviews. (Palin says she's "hoping to have the opportunity" to talk with Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, among others.)
Contrast Palin's cloistered campaigning with the boisterousness of former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, a much more Reaganesque figure. Huckabee's every bit as conservative as his partisan compatriot from Alaska. But he's a big-tent man, who stayed out of the New York-23 fight. And when he toured last fall on behalf of his book Do the Right Thing, Huckabee appeared just about everywhere. He even did Comedy Central's Daily Show with John Stewart and went on MSNBC, where he sparred with brainy liberal Rachel Maddow.
Notably, for all the current attention to Palin, it is Huckabee who maintains a solid lead among Republican voters when they are asked who they prefer as their 2012 nominee. A Rasmussen survey conducted last month had the at-least-reasonably-Reaganesque Huckabee at 29 percent.
Ordinary Sarah Palin was at 18 percent, and falling.
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For more about the former governor of Alaska, check out GOING ROUGE: Sarah Palin – An American Nightmare, a terrific new collection of essays on the woman from Wasilla (including two by this writer), which has been ably edited by The Nation's Richard Kim and Betsy Reed. Going Rouge is the really rogue book for Americans who think "maverick" is a state of mind -- not a political slogan.
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Posted by frosty zoom at 11/13/2009 @ 07:13am
I wrote these next few posts yesterday on the Carrie Prejean thread. Bizzarely, they belong here:
***********
You claim [Palin] was never attacked because Obama/Biden never did it. You make this claim, even though you still have a Palin slide show up. Where's the McCain slide show?
Fuckin' hypocrites.
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 11/12/2009 @ 5:00pm
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 11/13/2009 @ 07:36am
As a "monitor" of all things Right-wing (Sun Tzu if you want to know why)...I found this particularly hilarious-
Despite the claims of "how popular" Palin is and "how many copies of her book will be sold"....I heard a commercial for the right-wing magazine "Newsmax". For FIVE DOLLARS ($4.99) you got a free copy of Palin's book AND a four month subscription to the magazine.
Now...why is it that Palin's publishers and the Right are willing to discount her book EIGHTY PERCENT OFF, before it's even hit the shelves....unless it's to be able to promote "how well it's selling"....when it really wouldn't be normally?
Posted by Mask at 11/13/2009 @ 07:36am
It's pretty easy to see why you hate Palin and Carrie so much.
If a guy is rich, you can alway steal his money and give it to other people.
If a gal is beautiful, how do you tear her down to ugly people's level and give her "excess" beauty to the less fortunate?
You can't, all you can do is hate them and attack them.
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 11/12/2009 @ 5:04pm
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 11/13/2009 @ 07:37am
Oh, and from earlier today when I called The Nation staff a bunch of "fuckin' hypocrites" for claiming that Palin wasn't attacked...
Right now, twelve months after the election is over, The Nation has two links to articles about Palin:
The perils of Palinism and the Palin Slideshow.
Hang on, I'm going to go do some Google sluething:
Searching The Nation Website
Palin 31,400
Huckabee 299
McCain 4,660
Reagan 3,800
Bush 24,600 (Jesus F'ing Christ 6,800 more Palin articles than Bush who was President for 8 years and his father for 4 and VP for 8 not to mention Jeb)
I think it's pretty clear the the writer of The Nation have a pretty serious obsession with Palin. And this joker has the ball to claim she wasn't attacked?
Yeah, right.
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 11/12/2009 @ 9:04pm
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 11/13/2009 @ 07:37am
Make that 31,401
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 11/13/2009 @ 07:38am
Of course, Darin, it's NOT POSSIBLE that criticisms of Palin might be based on the fact she was obviously out of her depth intellectually to be a 72 year old heartbeat away from the Presidency...or a supporter of failed social conservative policies, like "abstinence-only sex ed" that her OWN DAUGHTER proved didn't work.....
or to criticize Prejean as a hypocrite on sexual morality, as she becomes the poster girl for opposition to gay rights, while her "home movie" starts circulating.
If Barbara Boxer or Hillary Clinton pushed for a tax hike, while moving their accounts off-shore or if Katrina vanden Heuvel or maybe...Al Gore...lectured on reducing CO2 emissions, while engaging in some heavy CO2 producing recreation....
you wouldn't say anything????
Posted by Mask at 11/13/2009 @ 07:52am
Palin is ordinary -- remarkably, overwhelmingly, mind-numbingly ordinary.
Yep, just you ordinary governor of the largest state in the union, who was the VP candidate.
Keep telling yourself that, John, and someday you might belive it.
I'm happy to admit she is not presidential timber, but she is far, far, from ordinary.
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 11/13/2009 @ 07:55am
I dont think Huckabee nor Palin will appear on any ticket,for thats not the point of all the attention the left pours on them, mostly Sarah as they pummeled her and her family,
but that is not what puts the fear in the hearts of the left....
..what puts the fear in their socialist core and govt hearts is the fact that both are popular with the general public, get attention, and can raise crowds where their is no one on the other side equal to the task, both have accomplished goals and have a record to run on...
and the people and the media that these two are drawing...are begining to listen...and are realising that Obama and cabal, are a huge mistaske, a huge economic nightmare heading their way..courtescy of the "new" Hope and Change...and it will get worse...for THEY REALISE THERE IS NO RECOVERY ON THE WAY.
"Palin is ordinary -- remarkably, overwhelmingly, mind-numbingly ordinary"
Thats the appeal, ordinary..no Affirmative Action,no govt handouts but ordinary self success. The American Model that worked and works for 200 years and is the appeal to millions over the world.
And this is the truth even the author misses....but the people notice and admire...the only ones who find her mind numbing are on the left along with their lapdogs in the press,..the feeling is embetted in the fears she will win out in someway in the end, and the left know it in their collective core value(less) center.
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/13/2009 @ 07:56am
How many other "ordianry" people has The Nation written 31,401 artlcles about?
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 11/13/2009 @ 07:56am
I dont think Huckabee nor Palin will appear on any ticket...."----Posted by YourJomamma at 11/13/2009 @ 07:56am
Why not...specifically?
Posted by Mask at 11/13/2009 @ 08:11am
Darin, vous etes un peu retardee, n'est pas?
Posted by VEH at 11/13/2009 @ 08:13am
Palin's no more qualified to be President than Obama is.
But fear of Palin isn't really political, is it?
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/13/2009 @ 09:02am
Posted by YourJomamma at 11/13/2009 @ 07:56am
Right on the bullseye.
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/13/2009 @ 09:10am
Posted by VEH at 11/13/2009 @ 08:13am
Liberals like you are pegged pretty well in Ann Coulter's book, "Slander".
I'll see if there's a french translation of it for you out there...
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/13/2009 @ 09:19am
More nonsense from the people who take smug satisfaction when winners lose. The country was not built by their ilk, thank God.
Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 11/13/2009 @ 09:34am
Enough about this simpleton. The mindlessness of Reagan is about the only thing comparable to this grotesque. The mere fact that she is probably an average person explains everything that is currently wrong in Amerika.
Posted by jobbo at 11/13/2009 @ 09:40am
NICHOLS: "Palin is ordinary -- remarkably, overwhelmingly, mind-numbingly ordinary."
And it's....
"remarkably, overwhelmingly, mind-numbingly" why....
So many of the `elites', including our own srjenkins, like to pay so.....
"remarkably, overwhelmingly, mind-numbingly" much attention to her!
I guess there is something.....
"remarkably, overwhelmingly, mind-numbingly" clear...
That the Lib elites have never, ever whistled so...
"remarkably, overwhelmingly, mind-numbingly" loud to this...
"remarkably, overwhelmingly, mind-numbingly"...
Ordinary woman who is....
"remarkably, overwhelmingly, mind-numbingly" but seriously....
America's sweetheart w/out ANY connection to all-fake, all-the-time Hollywood...
Isn't that the.....
"remarkably, overwhelmingly, mind-numbingly"...
INCONVENIENT TRUTH!
Posted by Happy at 11/13/2009 @ 09:50am
Happy-No.Palin isn't America's sweetheart.If she was she would be the VP.Don't know if she has any connections to Hollywood and plastic surgeons or not.
Posted by i'm nobody at 11/13/2009 @ 10:07am
according to conservatives:
"liberal attack" = "what books do you read?"
"liberal attack"= "what specific foreign policy experience do you have?"
it astounds me how many conservatives are defending this woman.
folks, it's not an "attack" if you ask someone, who wants to be POTUS, a simple question.
here's darin:
"I think it's pretty clear the the writer of The Nation have a pretty serious obsession with Palin. And this joker has the ball to claim she wasn't attacked?"
so according to darin, ANY nation article on palin is an "attack".
Posted by darladoon at 11/13/2009 @ 10:12am
"for thats not the point of all the attention the left pours on them, mostly Sarah as they pummeled her and her family,"
so according to maasch, couric is now "the left"
Posted by darladoon at 11/13/2009 @ 10:13am
hey jomamma, i thought liberals only played the victim.
palin, and your bases's support for her, is just that: self-victimization.
Posted by darladoon at 11/13/2009 @ 10:14am
Posted by darladoon at 11/13/2009 @ 10:12am
Then why does the left characterize every criticism of Obama's policies as either an attack, or outright racism Darla?
Wouldn't you agree it is the same thing, these "attacks" on Obama and Palin?
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/13/2009 @ 10:15am
"the only ones who find her mind numbing are on the left along with their lapdogs in the press"
andrew sullivan, christopher hitchens, et al, find her "mind numbing", as does scarborough.
Posted by darladoon at 11/13/2009 @ 10:16am
"Then why does the left characterize every criticism of Obama's policies as either an attack, or outright racism Darla?"
can we just remove the term "attack" from the vocabulary?
i don't want to get into the racist aspect (though it is obviously out there, it is not the dominant faction).
and please tell me: when/where has obama whined about anything? he's a thinker. he might be a young, inexperience soul, but he's a cool and collected thinker. his responses to reality are measured, reasonable.
palin, on the other hand, whined and complained her way throughout the campaign. she constantly brought up these "attacks on my family" or "the liberal media attacks" and when she lost? she blamed it on the liberal media, hollywood, etc.
we all know that's bullshit. she's a brainless former beauty queen, who ran her state into the ground, and then QUIT.
Posted by darladoon at 11/13/2009 @ 10:23am
Is it just me, or is Sara Palin really hot?
Posted by jfair at 11/13/2009 @ 10:24am
palin is a disgrace. a national joke. and i simply have no idea why any republican would want her to run in 2012.
at least get someone up there who can THINK and SPEAK clearly.
Posted by darladoon at 11/13/2009 @ 10:24am
"Is it just me, or is Sara Palin really hot?"
oh, she's hot. really hot. but only skin deep.
Posted by darladoon at 11/13/2009 @ 10:28am
Good thing the Presidential Elections aren't beauty contest.
Posted by jfair at 11/13/2009 @ 10:28am
Posted by darladoon at 11/13/2009 @ 10:23am
No, sorry, we don't all know that's bullshit Darla. Frankly, if what you say were actually true, she'd not be on the national stage.
But the typical leftist slander rolls on.
Okay, truth here. I like much of Palin's Weltanschauung, but I agree with those who say she lacks experience to be President of the US. Actually the SAME concern I had with Obama - and is proving to be correct. So I really do understand the criticism of Palin. But unfortunately it doesn't seem to me that your, "a brainless former beauty queen" is any less prejudicial as calling her out as a brainless lesbian.
Which in your little mind would be "hate speech"?
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/13/2009 @ 10:34am
Perhaps she is only popular because she is so hot? Her views certainly aren't popular. (NY)
Posted by jfair at 11/13/2009 @ 10:41am
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/13/2009 @ 09:19am
Ann Coulter, FREI?!?!?!???
The woman who dated the "Son of Penthouse Magazine"???
Posted by Mask at 11/13/2009 @ 10:42am
"... n'est pas?"
n'est-ce pas?
Si.
Posted by sloper at 11/13/2009 @ 10:42am
Mr Nichols, I don't know if Palin and Reagan are that different. Their grasp on reality appears to be about the same.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 11/13/2009 @ 10:44am
Good thing the Presidential Elections aren't beauty contest.
Posted by jfair at 11/13/2009 @ 10:28am
Haha, I agree, but aren't they actually? I mean, how many of us really understand the issues enough to cast an informed vote?
Nope, Americans vote on emotions. Heck, half of us can't even name our Congressman or woman. (With the exception of goofballs like all of us who waste our time having fun together on these blogs. I think WE actually have some clue about the actual issues, but a material number of our countrymen don't.) I saw a co-worker struggle with naming both of his state's Senators the other day!!!
It is actually this level of ignorance that put Obama in the White House and keeps Palin in the spotlight.
I wish it wasn't a beauty contest.
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/13/2009 @ 10:44am
Posted by Mask at 11/13/2009 @ 10:42am
Why would I have a problem with that Mask?
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/13/2009 @ 10:45am
"No, sorry, we don't all know that's bullshit Darla"
you're right. we don't all know that's bullshit, as evidence by the millions of people who voted for her.
but as you pointed out later, many of us don't know our own state senators.
but that doesn't mean that what i said isn't true.
palin largely blamed the media (and many conservatives do here as well) for her loss.
she constantly complained about her treatment by the press (which is NOT liberal). the press are owned by massive corporations, and it is not in their interest to challenge the status quo. that is why amy goodman is not on MSNBC or CNN.
the press was "hard" on palin because:
a) she was running for VP
b) little was know about her prior to
c) it was abundantly clear that she was unintelligent, right off the bat.
Posted by darladoon at 11/13/2009 @ 10:55am
Lol...Palin is my favorate springer character. All hail the crazy. Why do people keep talking about this wing nut? I would love to see a ticket of Bachmann and Palin for president. Can you say major landslide victory for Obama?
Posted by MplsStyme at 11/13/2009 @ 10:59am
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/13/2009 @ 10:45am
Thought you were fairly "Christian conservative", FREI.
Dating the son of a ...pornographer....no big deal???
Posted by Mask at 11/13/2009 @ 11:00am
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/13/2009 @ 10:44am
Ha Great point, elections are beauty contest. The congress woman from Minnesota is hot too. Perhaps she could run with Palin in 2012.
Posted by jfair at 11/13/2009 @ 11:03am
Heck ... even Ronnie Raygun wasn't the Ronnie Raygun everybody seems to think he was! Palin's 15 minutes were up over a year ago ... let her fame die a natural death and quit encouraging the loser.
Posted by mjlegel at 11/13/2009 @ 11:05am
>>> had the at-least-reasonably-Reaganesque Huckabee at 29 percent.
Ordinary Sarah Palin was at 18 percent, and falling.<<<
You are right about Huckabee, but I hope Palin stays popular enough through the 2012 elections so that she can split the conservative base vote with Huckabee, forcing the Republicans to nominate a weak candidate that doesn't have base support.
Palin is a gold mine for Democrats, as she clearly is not electable nationally, but is a great divisive force within the Republican party and a terrific fundraising tool because she scares the hell out of everyone else who is not part of the right-wing fringe. No one with any sense can imagine her as head of the free world, and that is not going to suddenly change by 2012.
I think Palenty or Romney (if he runs) will eek out a win in 2012 because of the base-splitting contest between Palin and Huckabee. Neither of those candidates will inspire the Republican base to turn out for them (which is why either of them will turn to Huckabee as their VP), and therefore Obama will win handily in 2012.
Posted by Metteyya at 11/13/2009 @ 11:11am
Palin is ordinary -- remarkably, overwhelmingly, mind-numbingly ordinary.
Can't you just leave it at that?? You summed up the life, times, pontification of this twit in that sentence...just leave it at that and walk away......
Posted by Winski at 11/13/2009 @ 11:38am
Posted by Metteyya at 11/13/2009 @ 11:11am
So far, there is no "name" on the Republican side that either doesn't
(A) leave the Base feeling dispondent and has "McCain-RINO" "smell" to them.
(B) have a hope in hell of winning, because they're so wacko Right that make Ron Paul look like Bob Dole.
If there is one...I'd like to know who they think it is.
Posted by Mask at 11/13/2009 @ 11:58am
Enough about this simpleton. The mindlessness of Reagan is about the only thing comparable to this grotesque. The mere fact that she is probably an average person explains everything that is currently wrong in Amerika.
Posted by jobbo at 11/13/2009 @ 09:40am
You're so bigoted that you can't even acknowledge what Nichols is at least honest enough to state
<Reagan read newspapers and magazines by the stack, combing them for information, ideas and new ways to argue the conservative brief.>
Mindless? Reagan was so much more intelligent than most of the leftists posting here, especially the truely brainless like yourself.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/13/2009 @ 12:14pm
If there is one...I'd like to know who they think it is.
Posted by Mask at 11/13/2009 @ 11:58am
They'll try Rupert Murdoch. They figure Obama wasn't born here anyway, and Rupie has money and owns the Faux network and the WSJ not to mention other right wing media megaphones. Sounds like a GOP wet dream come true. He of course wouldn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning, but they would have one of their poster boys spewing forth the GOP platform daily.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 11/13/2009 @ 12:14pm
Posted by Mask at 11/13/2009 @ 11:58am
Actually, Bobby Jindal is the right candidate, but he will never get nominated because of his skin color. He REALLY is more Reagan-like than any other Republican hopeful, and has just the right dose of pragmatism to reach out to others to get things done. He also has a much "broader" view of the conservative movement like Reagan, and is actually an improvement over Reagan from the conservative point of view in that his Rhodes Scholar background allows him to grow the conservative movement without relying on "smart" advisers.
But when you are in the deep South, upper South, and lower Midwest, being East Indian just won't cut it in the Republican party. In fact, his very election as governor of Louisiana is quite fascinating when you consider the views of the average Republican in the South toward East Indians.
Posted by Metteyya at 11/13/2009 @ 12:19pm
John, please get over yourself. The very fact that you are devoting so much time and space slanderizing Sarah Palin prooves your and The Nation's fear of her. She a breath of fresh air for God sakes. Embrace her. Or would you rather continue the status quo? It's time to stop writing this drivel and get a grip man. Lately you've showed promise. Besides, a man who fears a woman isn't really to be taken seriously, is he?
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 12:26pm
Posted by antisocialist at 11/13/2009 @ 12:14pm
Amazing isn't it.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 12:28pm
Anyone who is an independent here or from the right, should understand that Sarah Palin took a stand as a pro-lifer, something any worthy mother would do. For this she was immediately marked as 'the enemy' and all the big lefty guns were rolled out to try and destroy her in every possible way they could. Abortion is so important to these people that they will try to destroy anyone who stands in the way of a woman's so-called right to kill her own baby.
Two problems for the left: the percentage of pro-lifers is on the rise and Sarah is a rock star.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 12:32pm
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 12:26pm
This may be news to you, GUNSLINGER, but we BEG YOU to nominate Sarah Palin as the Republican nominee for president in 2012!
One person's breath of fresh air is a nightmare to the vast majority of voters in this country - especially after the eight years of GROSS incompetence in the Bush administration.
Sarah, Sarah, Sarah, Sarah!
Posted by Metteyya at 11/13/2009 @ 12:32pm
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 12:28pm
True, Reagan was no dummy.
When he saw his tax cuts weren't helping unemployment...he signed a highway works bill that created jobs (and raised gas taxes, BTW).
When he saw the dangers of the deficits....he signed the 1986 Tax Reform Act...which raised corporate taxes.
When he realized you "can't win a nuclear war"....he tried to get TOTAL nuclear disarmament with the Soviets (with joint SDI)...and when that didn't work out, he signed the Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty with them.
When he saw that rigid ideologues like Robert Bork couldn't get nominated to the USSC....he went to Anthony Kennedy.
Smart guy.
Posted by Mask at 11/13/2009 @ 12:34pm
Posted by antisocialist at 11/13/2009 @ 12:14pm
Amazing isn't it.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 12:28pm
Then you have the mindless brainwashed lemmings on the left including most who post here that still cling to this long dead notion that conservatives are all racist and won't support a person of color for the presidency. It simply reveals that the left is the group that has been unwilling to let go of THEIR RACIST MENTALITY.
as evidenced by this example below.
<Actually, Bobby Jindal is the right candidate, but he will never get nominated because of his skin color. He REALLY is more Reagan-like than any other Republican hopeful, and has just the right dose of pragmatism to reach out to others to get things done. He also has a much "broader" view of the conservative movement like Reagan, and is actually an improvement over Reagan from the conservative point of view in that his Rhodes Scholar background allows him to grow the conservative movement without relying on "smart" advisers.
But when you are in the deep South, upper South, and lower Midwest, being East Indian just won't cut it in the Republican party. In fact, his very election as governor of Louisiana is quite fascinating when you consider the views of the average Republican in the South toward East Indians.
Posted by Metteyya at 11/13/2009 @ 12:19pm>
The real racism and bigotry lies with liberals who recreated the slave caste with LBJ
Posted by antisocialist at 11/13/2009 @ 12:35pm
BTW, Larry is right as well....
Reagan read magazines and newspapers....
Palin couldn't name ONE that she read.
Posted by Mask at 11/13/2009 @ 12:36pm
John, please get over yourself. The very fact that you are devoting so much time and space slanderizing Sarah Palin prooves your and The Nation's fear of her. She a breath of fresh air for God sakes. Embrace her. Or would you rather continue the status quo? It's time to stop writing this drivel and get a grip man. Lately you've showed promise. Besides, a man who fears a woman isn't really to be taken seriously, is he?
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 12:26pm
"slanderizing?"
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/13/2009 @ 12:36pm
Nichols column is timely in that it appears BEFORE her book comes out. This way he has the advantage of putting any slant he wants on Palin before her side of the story is revealed to the country. On Monday, Palin will be on Oprah and on Wednesday she will be on Hannity. I look forward to reading what Nichols has to say after that.
If Sarah has any aspirations of occupying the Oval Office, she has an uphill climb. There's been damage done to her image from a leftwing media bent on destroying her. She's in the process of reintroducing herself to the country in HER words, not the leftwing media's.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 12:37pm
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 11/13/2009 @ 12:14pm
Posted by Metteyya at 11/13/2009 @ 12:19pm
Who they pick in 2012 will be a clear barometer of how much of a shot the Powers That Be in the RNC (not Steele of course) they think they have against Obama.
If a sane Republican....Romney, Pawlenty, Huntsman, etc....it'll mean they think they have a chance of knocking down Obama.
If a Jim DeMint, Tom Tancredo, Huckabee, or Palin....it'll mean they know they have no chance in hell of defeating Obama and they
(A) Don't want to waste their "prime talent" in a turkey shoot by the Democrats.
(B) They want to muzzle the Hard Right in the base by letting "one of theirs" be the nominee....go down to ignominous defeat...blame it on the "extremists"......and keep them quiet in the back of the auditorium for 2016.
Posted by Mask at 11/13/2009 @ 12:40pm
"On Monday, Palin will be on Oprah and on Wednesday she will be on Hannity. I look forward to reading what Nichols has to say after that."----Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 12:37pm
Those will be some "hard-hitting interviews that will really show how smart and on-the-ball she is", right, gunny?
Oprah asking her if Levi Johnston can come to Thanksgiving dinner....
and Hannity asking her the tough, probing questions like "How do find the strength and grace to handle the vicious and totally un-fair attacks the Liberal Media throws at you?"
LOL
Posted by Mask at 11/13/2009 @ 12:42pm
"There's been damage done to her image from a leftwing media bent on destroying her"
but she didn't cause any of that damage herself.
Posted by darladoon at 11/13/2009 @ 12:44pm
If the country keeps going the way it is, Obama's approval rating will be looking up at GWB's at the end of his Presidency. At that point, republicans will probably have the control of the Senate and many more Representatives in the House. Harry Reid will be a distant memory and Nancy Pelosi will hold no sway what-so-ever. The republicans will have remade their image more toward their conservative principles and that , along with a very attractive candidate, will be very appealing to the voters after the disappointment of the Obamanation.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 12:45pm
Posted by Mask at 11/13/2009 @ 12:40pm
That is a fairly accurate analysis and will hinge on the success of the economic recovery.
If the economy is going like gang-busters in 2012, look for Palin as the 2012 Republican nominee!
Posted by Metteyya at 11/13/2009 @ 12:49pm
Posted by darladoon at 11/13/2009 @ 12:44pm
No, she did not. The only thing she was guilty of was underestimating the evil ruthlessness of the leftwing media. Coming out of Alaska, she wasn't prepared to have everything she said twisted out of shape. The meat grinder she was thrust into outpaced her ability to get her message out. but all one needs to do is to look at the reaction she gets everywhere she goes now to understand that her stock has risen considerably.
Polls, if you believe in them, don't favor her electability right now. check back in about a year to get a better handle on what the country thinks of her. By then she will have gotten her message out and people will understand what the media did to her. Remember the SNL skits? There will be more.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 12:51pm
Reagan didn't "try to erect a big tent." He played a major role in tearing it down, which is why moderate Republican John Anderson ran against him. Reagan's victory was due to the widespread disenchantment with Carter over the Iran hostage crisis, not because his own ideas were popular (only about 25 percent of the adult population voted for him).
Posted by MarciaFS at 11/13/2009 @ 12:55pm
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 12:51pm
Palin is simply NOT qualified to be president - I am sure in your heart of hearts you understand this.
Even I could interview her "today" and make her look like an absolute moran because she just doesn't have the knowledge base and background to deal with the very serious problems this country and the world faces.
She is ALL ambition, ZERO substance!
Instead of doing a book tour, she should enroll in the best public policy school she could get admitted to and LEARN what the job is all about!
Posted by Metteyya at 11/13/2009 @ 12:57pm
Posted by Mask at 11/13/2009 @ 12:42pm
I'd like to hear the answers to both of those questions. Until she throws her hat into the ring, if she ever does, questions on her view of policies wouldn't do much for ratings.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 12:57pm
"The only thing she was guilty of was underestimating the evil ruthlessness of the leftwing media."
so the "evil" leftwing media forced her to say:
"i can see russia from my backyard"?
Posted by darladoon at 11/13/2009 @ 1:00pm
Posted by Metteyya at 11/13/2009 @ 12:57pm
Uh, I think if you compared resumes, you'd find that she had more experience as an executive than Obama. but that's okay. she was thrust into the limelight with no time to prepare. The media made sure that they put her in the worst light possible because they were so invested in Obama's election, (NBC=G.E.=Billions).
Don't go getting your panties all in a bunch . Sarah may not even be interested in the Presidency. But she will certainly draw huge crowds campaigning for anyone else.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 1:26pm
God, you lefties are hyperventalilating and the book hasn't even been released yet.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 1:27pm
Posted by darladoon at 11/13/2009 @ 1:00pm
Well, she comes from Alaska. She probably can see Russia from her back yard. What the hell is so bad about that?
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 1:29pm
Instead of doing a book tour, she should enroll in the best public policy school she could get admitted to and LEARN what the job is all about!
Posted by Metteyya at 11/13/2009 @ 12:57pm
you should know by now that Sarah Palin is her own person. She doesn't march in lock step with the political bosses. If a talking point comes out of her mouth, it's one for others to repeat.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 1:31pm
she's now head cheerleader for the modern bircher fringe.
not a mccain hater, but his judgment in choosing her was telling...
some things you can't undo, unsay...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/13/2009 @ 1:31pm
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 1:29pm
How about the FACT that "no one" can see "anything" a thousand miles away! Even 50 miles on a clear day would be impossible unless you are top of a mountain.
And what about all of those shrubs and trees in her backyard, and the neighbors house behind her that would tend to block ANY view beyond 50 feet?
Posted by Metteyya at 11/13/2009 @ 1:37pm
On another subject, now that mass murdering Muslim terrorist Hassan's business cards have surfaced with the letters SoA written on them, which stands for Soldier of Allah, can the leftwing media and the Obama administration now call a spade a spade? Thank you.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 1:39pm
Posted by Metteyya at 11/13/2009 @ 1:37pm
Never heard of a metaphor either huh Mett, which everybody with an ounce of intelligence knew she was using. Wow. It's kind of like Obama saying, "Yes We Can." Another metaphor.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 1:48pm
Just in case anyone still doesn't understand Palin's use of that phrase, it was meant as a way of saying she's a hell of a lot closer to Russia and well within range of their missles than the rest of us. Do you idiots get it now?
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 1:50pm
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 1:39pm
How many Christians call themselves "God's soldiers"?
The plain fact is that the Army "punished" Hasan with a deployment to Iraq because of this outspoken anti-war views. They pushed him over the edge, and now want to pretend they played no role whatsoever in this tragedy.
Granted, Hasan should have kept his anti-war views to himself and exercised some self control when he received his deployment orders. If he had contacted a lawyer (a non-military lawyer) when he received his deployment, he could have forced the Army to rescind the deployment order or give him an honorable discharge because of his sincere religious beliefs. The failure to do this was clearly a mistake on Hasan's part, but the Army should not be excused for the "punitive deployment to Iraq".
In the future, the military should be barred from deploying practicing Muslims to war zones where they may have to fight fellow Muslims unless approved by the soldier, as there are plenty of non-combat and non-theater roles in the military to accommodate the extremely small number of practicing Muslims in the armed forces.
Posted by Metteyya at 11/13/2009 @ 1:52pm
Just can't call a spade a spade huh?
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 1:57pm
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 1:50pm | ignore this person | warn this person
leave her. she's not worth it. you are better than that...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/13/2009 @ 2:04pm
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/13/2009 @ 2:04pm
Sorry but I can't stand people who call others unintelligent just because they themselves are too stupid to understand something that is obvious.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 2:08pm
gun1, a man who fears a woman is not a real man than? Boy you need to work on you machismo man, suit up!
Posted by Denise29 at 11/13/2009 @ 2:23pm
I think everyone on the left should suspend criticism of Palin, Huckabee, Dobbs, DeMint, Tancredo, Backman, etc. and watch the right fight it out. We should welcome any one of these crazy-cons becoming the Republican's nominee. I have no objections to keeping fire focused on the radio & TV clowns or the party officials or the neocons or the Bush crime family, but lets leave the lunatics alone and hope they take over the party.
Posted by dont_know at 11/13/2009 @ 2:55pm
Posted by antisocialist at 11/13/2009 @ 12:35pm
Why did Romney lose again?
Posted by !immutable at 11/13/2009 @ 3:09pm
BTW, Larry is right as well....
Reagan read magazines and newspapers....
Posted by Mask at 11/13/2009 @ 12:36pm
Are you guys aware that Reagan was also a democrat before he switched over to being a republican? Kind of reminds me of Lieberman. Oh, the wind is blowing this way, ok, I'm one of them this time around.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 11/13/2009 @ 3:12pm
"Well, she comes from Alaska. She probably can see Russia from her back yard. What the hell is so bad about that?"
um. gee. let me see. what is so bad about that? well, gun, let me just make this as simple as possible: she said she could "see from russia from (her) backyard" in response to: "what specific foreign policy experience do you have?"
and you don't see a problem with that?
Posted by darladoon at 11/13/2009 @ 3:36pm
Well, 5 hours later, I see that Palin is in fact, far, far more than just "ordinary"....
An "ordinary" thread here, get few comments, sometimes as low as barely into double-digits!
My prediction: This thread will hit 150 minimum!
Posted by Happy at 11/13/2009 @ 3:37pm
"Well, 5 hours later, I see that Palin is in fact, far, far more than just "ordinary"....
no, she's not ordinary. she's extraordinary. she has somehow managed to convince uneducated middle class and lower class people that she is just like them. and she is anything but like them. that takes a certain level of sophistication.
Posted by darladoon at 11/13/2009 @ 3:51pm
They'll try Rupert Murdoch. They figure Obama wasn't born here anyway, and Rupie has money and owns the Faux network and the WSJ not to mention other right wing media megaphones. Sounds like a GOP wet dream come true. He of course wouldn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning, but they would have one of their poster boys spewing forth the GOP platform daily.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 11/13/2009 @ 12:14pm
I wanna see Murdoch's Birth Certificate!
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/13/2009 @ 5:02pm
Anyone who is an independent here or from the right, should understand that Sarah Palin took a stand as a pro-lifer, something any worthy mother would do. For this she was immediately marked as 'the enemy' and all the big lefty guns were rolled out to try and destroy her in every possible way they could. Abortion is so important to these people that they will try to destroy anyone who stands in the way of a woman's so-called right to kill her own baby.
Two problems for the left: the percentage of pro-lifers is on the rise and Sarah is a rock star.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 12:32pm
slinger,
I believe that abortion is the issue that the Republicans can't do without. John Fugelsang (sp?) on the Stephanie Miller radio show said this morning that if abortion were illegal, Republicans wouldn't have anything to run on (except gays). It is the single largest fund-raising issue for conservatives and the single issue that Republicans can ALWAYS run on against a "liberal" Dem, etc. etc.
Think about it, could Republicans raise as much money from their base if the abortion crowd couldn't whip up some anti-woman hatred? Nope.
Would all this recent crapola with the health care debate have become all about abortion if it were illegal? Nope.
So, I think you all should be thankful that abortion is legal: it keeps the Republican party going...and going...and going...and going. It's your own little Energizer bunny.
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/13/2009 @ 5:09pm
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/13/2009 @ 5:09pm
Kind of like the way that welfare all the other big government freebies and higher taxes keep the dems going huh?
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 5:27pm
How many Christians call themselves "God's soldiers"?
The plain fact is that the Army "punished" Hasan with a deployment to Iraq because of this outspoken anti-war views. They pushed him over the edge, and now want to pretend they played no role whatsoever in this tragedy.
Granted, Hasan should have kept his anti-war views to himself and exercised some self control when he received his deployment orders. If he had contacted a lawyer (a non-military lawyer) when he received his deployment, he could have forced the Army to rescind the deployment order or give him an honorable discharge because of his sincere religious beliefs. The failure to do this was clearly a mistake on Hasan's part, but the Army should not be excused for the "punitive deployment to Iraq".
In the future, the military should be barred from deploying practicing Muslims to war zones where they may have to fight fellow Muslims unless approved by the soldier, as there are plenty of non-combat and non-theater roles in the military to accommodate the extremely small number of practicing Muslims in the armed forces.
Posted by Metteyya at 11/13/2009 @ 1:52pm |
Get over Mett, the guy is a jihadist enemy of the US...and as Obama even said, he's going to see the full justice of the US brought to bear upon him.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/13/2009 @ 5:34pm
She's in the process of reintroducing herself to the country in HER words, not the leftwing media's.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 12:37pm
Sarah Palin's Own Words:
"As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border."
"They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan."
"I think on a national level your Department of Law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with and automatically throw them out."
"Come January 20, when I am sworn in as Vice President, you guys had better knock it off. Otherwise, we'll have to get NBC's broadcast license revoked."
"They're in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom." (on the job of the VP).
"I may not answer the questions that either the moderator or you want to hear, but I'm going to talk straight to the American people and let them know my track record also." (on the VP debate)
"That's exactly what we're going to do in a Palin and McCain administration." (in Iowa)
...and this is the woman you wanted one heartbeat away from the Presidency?
And btw, she had a ghost-writer for the book (You think she could have actually written over 400 pages in about 4 months???). I highly doubt the syntax used in the book is Sarah Palin's. (and no, syntax is NOT a tax against smokers)
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/13/2009 @ 5:35pm
Suddenly Nichols admires Reagan. What is more, admires him for his great ideas and ambition.
Reagan was almost as starved of new ideas as Nichols is himself. What he had, again, like Nichols, was old ideas, the ideas of his childhood, memories of FDR and the New Deal, and of movies celebrating Americanism, lonely cowboys fighting for the good, and clean cut youngsters with courage and hard work prevailing against the Japs and slimeballs. He wanted to recapture that, just as Nichols wants to realize the socialist ideals imprinted on his medula oblangata.
I am not a Palin fan. I was sour on her from the moment she was picked. But if you want to tell me something good about her, tell me that she does not have big ideas or vast ambition.
God spare us from the people who do. Our whole system is designed to avoid them, to leave politics to third rate men; what first rater would put up with that process. In this country govt, while the nation's central entertainment, is not really what runs the country. It never has been. The capital is not just geographically on the periphery of the country. It does not have the job of leading the nation with great ideas and ambition.
Leave that to the socialist and national socialists. Fidel, Chavez, Kim Jung Ill, Ahmedinejad, Nasrallah, they have great ideas and daring ambitions.
The America's political leadership has ever been composed of third rate men, without ideas.. They have never sought to lead the US anywhere,thank God. All they are supposed to do is keep the economy on an even keel, protect US interest abroad and deliver the mail.
For great ideas we look to our laboratories, our inventors, artists, writers and businessmen. They are the natural leaders of this country, not the politicians.
Posted by Pirovano at 11/13/2009 @ 5:39pm
Kind of like the way that welfare all the other big government freebies and higher taxes keep the dems going huh?
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 5:27pm
So, I see you don't disagree with me about abortion being an issue the Republicans can't do without, so that explains why they never do anything to actually make it illegal. I mean, you guys did have seven solid years of a Republican Congress, a Republican President and a conservative leaning Court...surely you could have made abortion illegal during that time.
As for your actual comment (other than trying to change the subject), please tell me what other "big government freebies" do Republicans NOT support, besides Welfare?
We recently learned that Republicans not only support Medicare and Medicaid, but that you want to "strengthen" them. (Socialist though they are.)
We all know that Republicans support a big military (the largest part of the Federal government).
So, medical entitlements and military entitlements represent the two largest aspects of the governmental budget, and Republicans support them both. Looks to me like you support big government as much as Dems "supposedly" do.
Care to respond, slinger?
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/13/2009 @ 5:48pm
...and this is the woman you wanted one heartbeat away from the Presidency?
And btw, she had a ghost-writer for the book (You think she could have actually written over 400 pages in about 4 months???). I highly doubt the syntax used in the book is Sarah Palin's. (and no, syntax is NOT a tax against smokers)
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/13/2009 @ 5:35pm
With all of Gov Palin's shortcomings (which none of lack), she is still far better than Biden.
the fact that Democrats don't cringe at his name or any appearance by him shows just how little integrity they have.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/13/2009 @ 6:18pm
The real racism and bigotry lies with liberals who recreated the slave caste with LBJ Posted by antisocialist at 11/13/2009 @ 12:35pm |
Larry often equates the social safety net to a grand conspiracy to keep people docile and underachieving.
He also tells us that we're 'elitists' because we don't believe in letting people herniate themselves on their own bootstraps and 'learn character'.
But what isn't elitist about assuming that people are so dumb and poorly motivated that a lending hand is enough to ruin their prospects for success for a lifetime?
As someone who didn't succumb to this theoretical evil that was supposed to destroy my will to succeed, I find his blathering amusing, but disingenuous.
How about you step up and admit that it isn't about keeping people out of the 'slave caste' and IS about wanting other Americans to suffer so that you don't have to sacrifice a sliver of your income.
Posted by snowball777 at 11/13/2009 @ 6:24pm
With all of Gov Palin's shortcomings (which none of lack), she is still far better than Biden.
the fact that Democrats don't cringe at his name or any appearance by him shows just how little integrity they have.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/13/2009 @ 6:18pm
I would take Biden and his decades of legislative experience over Palin's two years as Governor of Alaska (which she quit!) and Mayor of Wasilla any day.
Any.
Day.
But in a beauty contest, you're absolutely right, Sarah Palin wins hands down.
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/13/2009 @ 6:33pm
Mike Huckabee is the only Republican with the intellect, the character, the experience, the judgment, and the charisma to defeat Barack Obama and be elected President in 2012. He will have to defeat the neocons in his own party as well as the liberal Democrats who hate religion. However, he has a following which includes social conservatives, but also a growing number of independents and moderates as the lies about his views on evolution and other matters are gradually debunked. He would make a great President.
Posted by DavidE7 at 11/13/2009 @ 7:29pm
darladoon,
You said (about next-President Palin being on the GOP ticket in 2012) up above:
"......at least get someone up there who can THINK and SPEAK clearly......"
Darladoon, I can tell you she thinks and speaks quite clearly. I saw and heard her speak, live.
You on the left mock her now. What I would like to know is - how are you going to react on January 20, 2013 as Sarah Palin is being sworn in as President of the United States?
Posted by sjchermak at 11/13/2009 @ 8:03pm
She can't be the next Ronald Reagan because shes already the next Donald Duck.
Posted by Milhaus at 11/13/2009 @ 8:07pm
Larry often equates the social safety net to a grand conspiracy to keep people docile and underachieving.
He also tells us that we're 'elitists' because we don't believe in letting people herniate themselves on their own bootstraps and 'learn character'.
But what isn't elitist about assuming that people are so dumb and poorly motivated that a lending hand is enough to ruin their prospects for success for a lifetime?
How about you step up and admit that it isn't about keeping people out of the 'slave caste' and IS about wanting other Americans to suffer so that you don't have to sacrifice a sliver of your income.
Posted by snowball777 at 11/13/2009 @ 6:24pm
spoken like a true marxist, full of lies and double speak.
LBJ and the liberal democrats re-invented themselves as the NEW slavemasters of African Americans under the guise of govt becoming the new MASSA.
economic independence the nuclear family all dramatically decreased under this so-called liberalism.
It isn't conservatives who think that African Americans are too dumb, it is the liberals who believe that they cannot succeed unless the govt does it for them. That is racism and that is the core of modern liberalism.
My conservativism is about empowering the individual as freedom loving people have always done. Respect their right to succeed or fail by their own efforts.
But liberals hate that. They don't want anyone to succeed unless BIG Govt slavemasters take credit.
Unlike you, I want everyone to have the chance to succeed on their own merits. It doesn't take anything away from me. I live pretty much below the poverty line. And I'm happy doing so. I don't need things to make me happy.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/13/2009 @ 8:12pm
"No, Sarah Palin Is Not the Next Ronald Reagan"
actually, i see MANY similarities.
heheh
Posted by frosty zoom at 11/13/2009 @ 8:42pm
Uh oh I think someone pushed anti's button. anti do you have a crush of Sarah Palin? It's ok to like chicks with guns and helicopters.
Anyways, to business:
economic independence the nuclear family all dramatically decreased under this so-called liberalism.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/13/2009 @ 8:12pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Do you know what created your beloved nuclear family? Unions- the sole reason. I'm counting you as a die hard union supporter now. Welcome aboard. Now you don't have to live under the same roof with 4 generations of your family, and listen to all the shenanigans in your teenaged grandchildren's curtained off corners of the one room shack. Since the robber baron you work for has to pay a living wage!
Economic independence, any idea? I think you know. It wasn't Ronald Reagan. That's right, The New Deal. The social safety net provided by The New Deal enabled millions of Americans to engage in the risk management of business, just like the big guys. Now every Joe Shmoe can pull loans and rise to mega-wealth with hard work and smart decisions in the knowledge that if they fail, their children won't starve to death, an American first. A formula duplicated in every developed nation on earth with huge success. Your socialist apocalypse created the ability for you be a supporter of economic independence, when before you would have enjoyed being chained to your station in life from birth, even in America.
This is a huge turning point for you buddy. From now on I'm calling you Larry the Socialist, you've earned it.
Posted by Milhaus at 11/13/2009 @ 8:50pm
We're coming for you, when you least expect it.
Posted by Nidal_Hasan at 11/13/2009 @ 8:52pm
We're coming for you, when you least expect it. Posted by Nidal_Hasan at 11/13/2009 @ 8:52pm |
And will get what you rightly deserve for your hubris.
Posted by snowball777 at 11/13/2009 @ 9:43pm
Posted by antisocialist at 11/13/2009 @ 8:12pm |
a) No one who wants to succeed on 'their own merits' need ever take a single handout, right?
(hint: you're living proof)
b) Why do you think people who accept temporary help are doomed to a lifetime of dependency?
(hint: they're not...I'm living proof)
c) How does your plan work out for people born without 'merits'?
(hint: crippled, blind, born to abusive parents)
Posted by snowball777 at 11/13/2009 @ 9:51pm
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/13/2009 @ 5:35pm
Ghost writers help out with most books by politicians. Did yopu know that Barack Obama did not write Audacity of Hope. It was mostly written by a ghost writer. In Sarah case you will find that most of this book is written in her own words to respond to all the trash talk that was done against her, a good helping of what we see here today, and organized by her aide.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 9:55pm
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/13/2009 @ 5:35pm
Also, anyone can take quotes by personalities and use them out of context. Hannity does it to Obama all the time. Nice try though. I also still think you are a racist.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 9:57pm
The righties here have such a hard on for Sarah Palin.
It would not matter one whit whether or not she could string two sentences together.
She's got that naughty librarian thing going.
I'll bet that there's already an 'ex-governor rubber love doll'.
And Ann coulter bought the first one.
Posted by ficheye at 11/13/2009 @ 10:02pm
In Sarah case you will find that most of this book is written in her own words to respond to all the trash talk that was done against her, a good helping of what we see here today, and organized by her aide.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 9:55pm
Already debunked. She 'wrote' this book in record time, as well, amazing for someone who can't put her sentences in the correct order.
Why are you her biggest apologist and fan here? It's somewhat mystifying. She's really not up to the job of president, either.
The stock answer to that is 'neither is Obama'.
But is it right to elect someone even dumber just to make yourself feel better?
Posted by ficheye at 11/13/2009 @ 10:08pm
Posted by Pirovano at 11/13/2009 @ 5:39pm
Good post.
Palin connects with people for that very reason. To me, she is a breath of fresh air, someone who thinks clearly because she lives a good clean life style and is morally and ethically centered. She may not be one hundred percent up on all the nuances of Washington politics but hell, that's a good thing, right?
She didn't have much of a chance as McCain's running mate, conflicts of which we will read about soon, but she sure gave his campaign a shot in the arm and uplifted it. McCain actually went ahead in the polls immediately after Palin spoke at the Republican Convention. Then the economy tanked, a little suspicious timing I'd say, and the rest was history.
Now Palin has freed herself from the outpost of Alaska and the devious democrats that did everything in their power to bankrupt her and keep her from governing. It was a good move in my opinion and was done for all the right reasons.
Now she is free to enrich herself and her family at the expense of the same people who tried to bring her down. Talk about getting the last laugh huh? She will make the talk show circuit now to promote her book. She'll be interviewed by Oprah, Barbara Walters, O'Reilly, Hannity and anyone else who wants to boost their ratings.
The whole country is abuzz with everything Sarah Palin in a way that even eclipses Obama's former popularity. No wonder he got out of Dodge. Some my say the cowardly little punk left because today was the day that it was announced that the Shiek Mohammed was being brought to NY to stand trial in civilian court with all the protections that OUR Constitution provides.
This may be the most dangerous and stupid decision that Obama has made yet, and he's made some beauties.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 10:13pm
Posted by ficheye at 11/13/2009 @ 10:08pm
Well we'll just have to agree to disagree. Watch her stock rise. Some say her next book will be all about policy. Then the leftwing media will really have a ball picking that apart. They will fall right into her trap.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 10:16pm
Whatever paternalistic, altruistic motives might be attributed to the construction of the "Great Society" by the legions of gray-suited, right-thinking, do-gooder Establishment liberals of the 1960s, it is clear that on the ground in towns such as Chicago, a central goal was the creation of a class of permanently arch-dependent people who would be very unlikely ever to bite the hand that (literally) feeds them. Many Americans of all races fear and despise the black urban underclass--attitudes which are of course wrong and unfortunate--but the Chicago Machine and other Democratic political operations simply love the black urban underclass: If its members bother to vote, they vote for the Machines by huge percentages. And somehow, conditions in the blighted urban neighborhoods with their horribly failed schools, the violence in the streets, the lack of jobs, the devastation of families, the psychological and emotional damage, and so forth just never get any better, despite the huge resources that have for decades been funneled to cities such as Chicago to redress it all. Some particularly driven people do escape this nightmare, but many do not and cannot. What remains abundantly clear is that the Democratic Machines do not want them to escape.
Posted by feinfein at 11/13/2009 @ 10:20pm
Has anyone noticed that Obama's AG announced today that Mohammed will be tried in NY? It just happens to be Friday, the end of the news cycle and also, what better time to get the hell out of the country that right after the first terrorist attack on our soil since 9/11 takes place.
The lefties were all over GWB because 9/11 happened on his watch but now that the terrorist attack at Ft. Hood took place on Obama's watch, there's not a peep heard from those very same people.
Plus the President runs away. He better make damn sure he does the right thing in Afghanistan. He's looking awfully weak on national security and way to cozy with the Muslims.
It's clear sailing for the Palin express.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 10:22pm
Palin is about to cross the RUBE-icon.
Posted by koroviev at 11/13/2009 @ 10:29pm
Posted by feinfein at 11/13/2009 @ 10:20pm
I agree. I've been saying all along that blacks by-and-large believe that they are entitled to everything because they are victims and that mentality will keep them from working hard, will keep them susceptible to the drug dealers and will keep a disproportionate number of them in jail. Of course the race has it's success stories in all fields. I'm not referring to those people.
But the community as a whole needs to get the chip off their collective shoulders and start, as a community to do what they were so fond of yelling during Obama's speeches, 'Yes We Can.' Maybe it's easier said than done.
If Obama really wants to help his people, the black ones that is, he should forgo any more freebie programs and let these people begin to mature and fend for themselves. If they continue to turn to crime they will continue to be incarcerated. If they stay in school, study, get good grades and make something of themselves, they will become productive members of society and the burden of the 'Great Society' will once and for all be lifted from their unencombered shoulders.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 10:31pm
And please don't go calling me a racist and start pointing out how even blacks fight for our country. That's not what I'm referring to and everyone knows it.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 10:32pm
Q - Why are we discussing Palin?
A - (partial) Google hits: 11,200,000 for Anna Nicole Smith; 8,870,000 for Ronald Reagan;
She's archetypal American. She's like the lovechild of other archetypal figures, Reagan and Bimbo.
Google hits: 17,400,000 for Sarah Palin.
Posted by winyahn at 11/13/2009 @ 10:43pm
The real racism and bigotry lies with liberals who recreated the slave caste with LBJ
Posted by antisocialist at 11/13/2009 @ 12:35pm
Weird how you were chastising someone for bigotry earlier and then you post this. Hypocritical much?
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 11/13/2009 @ 11:06pm
They will fall right into her trap.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 10:16pm
Do you mean like when the Duke boys got Roscoe's police car stuck in the muddy hog pen?
Posted by koroviev at 11/13/2009 @ 11:08pm
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The righties here have such a hard on for Sarah Palin.
It would not matter one whit whether or not she could string two sentences together.
She's got that naughty librarian thing going.
I'll bet that there's already an 'ex-governor rubber love doll'.
And Ann coulter bought the first one.
Posted by ficheye at 11/13/2009 @ 10:02pm | ignore this person | warn this person
They could be bundled with a tiered campaign contribution promotion, the way public radio does it. $50 get the coffee cup, $100 get the doll, $1000 you get to shoot wolves with an AR-15 while the doll flies the helicopter.
Posted by Milhaus at 11/13/2009 @ 11:41pm
Points well taken, gunslinger1. I must admit that the idea of receiving all sorts of govt. freebies is all too appealing to me personally. Sure, I do currently work and I have some advanced degrees that are of value to some employers, but if I could get myself Social Security disability benefits or welfare benefits, I could pursue my own interests without having to worry about devoting any time to earning a living. If I could also get food stamps, Section 8 vouchers, Medicaid and other miscellaneous benefits, all the better. No doubt many other people are endowed with more discipline and dedication and perseverance than I, but it is clear that all those freebies would slowly but surely work to wreck me and enable me to wreck myself. And if millions of Americans thought like me and acted on those thoughts, our society would collapse under the burden--financial, moral, and indeed existential.
Posted by feinfein at 11/14/2009 @ 12:54am
"You on the left mock her now. What I would like to know is - how are you going to react on January 20, 2013 as Sarah Palin is being sworn in as President of the United States?
Posted by sjchermak at 11/13/2009 @ 8:03pm | ignore this person | warn this person "
And that prognostication should be about as valuable as your smug assurances that she was going to be sworn in as Vice-President in January, 2009.
Posted by brunowe at 11/14/2009 @ 01:59am
This poor woman just lacks the intellectual fitness to be in office.
Posted by kirquaker at 11/14/2009 @ 02:02am
The lefties were all over GWB because 9/11 happened on his watch but now that the terrorist attack at Ft. Hood took place on Obama's watch, there's not a peep heard from those very same people.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/13/2009 @ 10:22pm
Even though I'm not much of an Obama fan at this point, that is not even a remotely similar comparison.
Bush and party were warned on a multitude of occasions about imminent disaster; as far as Fort Hood, the military itself, and not the POTUS or his white house enablers, are supposed to be on the ball about this type of thing. The chain of command within the military itself failed because of over sensitivity to the muslims in their ranks as well as some good old fashioned fucking up. You already know this.
Posted by ficheye at 11/14/2009 @ 02:55am
"You on the left mock her now. What I would like to know is - how are you going to react on January 20, 2013 as Sarah Palin is being sworn in as President of the United States?
Posted by sjchermak at 11/13/2009 @ 8:03pm
No, we mock you first, then her. One has to keep these things in the proper order.
Posted by ficheye at 11/14/2009 @ 02:58am
Google hits: 17,400,000 for Sarah Palin. Posted by winyahn at 11/13/2009 @ 10:43pm |
Yeah, but several million of those were Cherm (and with only one hand!).
Posted by snowball777 at 11/14/2009 @ 06:33am
Posted by ficheye at 11/14/2009 @ 02:58am |
I wonder if Cherm accepted my wager:
- She wins the presidency: I move to Amsterdam
- She wins the Pug primary: I'll (shudder) read her book
- She wins neither: Cherm moves to Detroit
Posted by snowball777 at 11/14/2009 @ 06:35am
Does this book read like an adult tale much less one from someone who would be a future President of the great United States of America? Reads like a junior high catfight trash. Palin wants to fight someone or some people, including the media, and seems quite petty and revengeful. She blames everyone for her problems--never one finger pointed back at herself in blame. She lacks the maturity and temperament needed to be the leader of a great nation or even a great state in the union. This book, which her extreme rightwing ghostwriter crafted (for a woman who lacks intellectual depth and could not remember any newspaper or book she ever read during the Katie Couric interview), will not help her climb to the highest office in the land. She gets no further, not any high office--not even a shot at being again someone else's Vice-presidential pick. Who needs Sarah's trouble and immature behavior? Overall, Palin does not have the intellectual depth and curiosity and the balance needed to be President of a super-power nation. Add her extreme rightwing views, she is done. She comes across again and again as mean-spirited, shallow, opinionated, self-important and childish indeed! Dr. Sam
Posted by drsam8 at 11/14/2009 @ 08:21am
Again,America's beauty pageant mentality got Sarah her spot on the ticket.Did her stupidity coupled with Mccain's perceived lack of decision making ability because of that cost him the election?She could not even cite People Magazine as a source of her intellect.So when conservatives and their pals in the main stream media keep her in the forefront long after she should be showing off the years newest fashions,what gives?We as a country don't want to discuss how bad things are all of the time. We do however like to talk about train wrecks and Sarah is the definition
Posted by whatozz at 11/14/2009 @ 08:55am
Do you know what created your beloved nuclear family? Unions- the sole reason. I'm counting you as a die hard union supporter now. Welcome aboard. Now you don't have to live under the same roof with 4 generations of your family, and listen to all the shenanigans in your teenaged grandchildren's curtained off corners of the one room shack. Since the robber baron you work for has to pay a living wage!
Economic independence, any idea? I think you know. It wasn't Ronald Reagan. That's right, The New Deal. The social safety net provided by The New Deal enabled millions of Americans to engage in the risk management of business, just like the big guys. Now every Joe Shmoe can pull loans and rise to mega-wealth with hard work and smart decisions in the knowledge that if they fail, their children won't starve to death, an American first. A formula duplicated in every developed nation on earth with huge success. Your socialist apocalypse created the ability for you be a supporter of economic independence, when before you would have enjoyed being chained to your station in life from birth, even in America.
This is a huge turning point for you buddy. From now on I'm calling you Larry the Socialist, you've earned it.
Posted by Milhaus at 11/13/2009 @ 8:50pm
your really have a warped understanding of history...totally separated from reality.
Just one example, my family was not saved by the New Deal.
My grandfather took his family from NY to CA and started a nursery. Discovered oil on the land and then used that to become a RE developer-all without FDR's help.
We don't use govt help in our family, now matter how tough times are.
And we sure don't approve of unions-which are just an extension of marxism
Posted by antisocialist at 11/14/2009 @ 09:34am
The real racism and bigotry lies with liberals who recreated the slave caste with LBJ
Posted by antisocialist at 11/13/2009 @ 12:35pm
Weird how you were chastising someone for bigotry earlier and then you post this. Hypocritical much?
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 11/13/2009 @ 11:06pm
Nope. this theory was actually put forward by conservative African Americans and I found their argument to be compelling. People like Larry Elder, Dr Walter Williams. They drew upon people like Booker T Washington and his book Up From Slavery.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/14/2009 @ 09:59am
CCC
A suggested reading list from Larry Elder
http://www.larryelder.com/reading.html
Posted by antisocialist at 11/14/2009 @ 10:02am
CCC,
This letter from Larry Elder to Cong Maxine Waters in 2001 lays out the case from a conservative black perspective as effectively as anything I have read.
http://tinyurl.com/ykbjdcw
Posted by antisocialist at 11/14/2009 @ 10:12am
"Just one example, my family was not saved by the New Deal"
let's right. just "one example" of someone not saved by the new deal.
and who's view is completely "separated from reality"?
"And we sure don't approve of unions-which are just an extension of marxism"
of course, marx never had any good ideas (if you're like antisocialist, and have NEVER READ marx). he only wrote dozens of books, had millions of ideas, and utterly impenetrable logic.
in fact, before marx, most of the german philosophers believed that consciousness (or the soul) was what shaped material reality. marx flipped that and argued that material reality shaped consciousness.
Posted by darladoon at 11/14/2009 @ 10:39am
Posted by antisocialist at 11/14/2009 @ 10:12am |
<You fight any attempt to roll back the welfare state, and voted against the Welfare Reform Act of 1996. This act caused a 50% reduction in the welfare rolls, without a corresponding increase in abortion. It reduced teen pregnancy, without a corresponding increase in abortion.>
Does this pass for logic in conservative circles? LOL
Posted by snowball777 at 11/14/2009 @ 12:16pm
I wonder if all of you socialist wannabys understand what happens to real socialist nationalist countries. The moxt famous wexample can be ound in the history of Nazi Germany. If Hitler was successful and took control of America, all jews, blacks, homosexuals, lesbians, Jahova's Witnesses, gypsies, handicapped and anyone opposing his government would have been annhilated.
Be careful what you wish for.
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/14/2009 @ 12:58pm
"I wonder if all of you socialist wannabys understand what happens to real socialist nationalist countries. The moxt famous wexample can be ound in the history of Nazi Germany. If Hitler was successful and took control of America, all jews, blacks, homosexuals, lesbians, Jahova's Witnesses, gypsies, handicapped and anyone opposing his government would have been annhilated"
brilliant analysis, gun!
Posted by darladoon at 11/14/2009 @ 1:19pm
Gunslinger is this how you feel the country is moving?Conservative institutions,ie Wall Street,the nations leading commercial banks have been propped up by the government.How did you come up with this, by falling down in your basement and waking up to "A Clockwork Orange"?How many conservatives refuse to read? It is no wonder our nation's newspapers are struggling.
Posted by whatozz at 11/14/2009 @ 1:39pm
- She wins neither: Cherm moves to Detroit
Posted by snowball777 at 11/14/2009 @ 06:35am
If Sarah Palin actually becomes president we'd all better start praying about something. It will clearly show the amazing decline in mental clarity here in our country, a sort of 'political alzheimers' movement. Which, of course, chermak is a typical member of.
Picking her 'cabinet' will be the first part of the circus. With her knowledge of the 'economy' it will be an amazing display of her utter cluelessness about general politics (no apologies for Geithner here). And her military advisors should be interesting as well, all 'god fearing' men and women with their eyes on the coming apocalypse. The countries with nuclear weapons will all re-target their missiles.
She'll bring mandatory prayer into the presidential briefings. Benny Hinn will be surgeon general (I digress), we'll see utter lunatics on the freeways flipping everyone off who doesn't have a bumper sticker about 'socialism' or about 'Obama the Nazi'. the idea is truly frightening. A combination of Imelda Marcos, Eva Peron, and Ann coulter?
I mean, I'd rather be where we are now, afraid of the Bilderberg group and the New World Order. All that would pale in comparison to the new goose stepping, masturbating minions of a Sarah Palin nation. Alex Jones will change his tune AGAIN and sell a lot more conspiracy DVD's - as he should! I joke.
Posted by ficheye at 11/14/2009 @ 2:18pm
Nope. this theory was actually put forward by conservative African Americans and I found their argument to be compelling. People like Larry Elder, Dr Walter Williams. They drew upon people like Booker T Washington and his book Up From Slavery.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/14/2009 @ 09:59am
I've read the argument before I think it's a bunch of BS bigotry. You are arguing that half the nation is racist because of parameters YOU get to determine. Or people like you at least.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 11/14/2009 @ 2:32pm
Posted by whatozz at 11/14/2009 @ 1:39pm
Who was it that said something like, 'history ignored is history repeated?'
Posted by gunslinger1 at 11/14/2009 @ 3:52pm
of course, marx never had any good ideas (if you're like antisocialist, and have NEVER READ marx). he only wrote dozens of books, had millions of ideas, and utterly impenetrable logic.
in fact, before marx, most of the german philosophers believed that consciousness (or the soul) was what shaped material reality. marx flipped that and argued that material reality shaped consciousness.
Posted by darladoon at 11/14/2009 @ 10:39am
I would think I've read Marx, Engels and their lot more than you have Darla. In fact I'm sure of it. Because when I post from the Communist Manifesto, you always claim that I'm lying.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/14/2009 @ 4:49pm
Nope. this theory was actually put forward by conservative African Americans and I found their argument to be compelling. People like Larry Elder, Dr Walter Williams. They drew upon people like Booker T Washington and his book Up From Slavery.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/14/2009 @ 09:59am
I've read the argument before I think it's a bunch of BS bigotry. You are arguing that half the nation is racist because of parameters YOU get to determine. Or people like you at least.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 11/14/2009 @ 2:32pm
Not me CCC. I'm drawing upon African Americans. What angers you is that they don't buy into the victim philosophy that liberals have pushed onto African Americans and that you seem so willing to accept.
That's a shame because it reveals a great deal about your claim to be an independent thinker.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/14/2009 @ 4:52pm
"I would think I've read Marx, Engels and their lot more than you have Darla"
posting from the communist manifesto is not evidence that you've read marx/engels more than i have.
i have multiple degrees, and have read at least 4 marx books (two of them w/ engels).
what's the premise of the german ideology, anti?
Posted by darladoon at 11/14/2009 @ 4:58pm
what's the premise of the german ideology, anti?
Posted by darladoon at 11/14/2009 @ 4:58pm
That was an early work by Marx and Engels to counter Hegelian philosophy (a philosophy that they had once embraced).
Hegel looked at the world in terms of history and the progression of the mind or what he called the World Spirit.
Marx and Engels departed from this to state that it should center around a materialistic conception of history–"the ‘history of humanity' must always be studied and treated in relation to the history of industry and exchange."
Posted by antisocialist at 11/14/2009 @ 5:15pm
BTW Darla, do you ever bother to read anything that isn't by a totalitarian socialist?
Have you ever read any of the founders?
Ever read Alexis de Tocqueville's Democracy in America?
Do you read anything that promotes liberty and individuality vs statism and socialism?
Posted by antisocialist at 11/14/2009 @ 5:44pm
Yes, it's analysis included some conflicting points of view, including the fear of the 'Tyranny of the majority', which seems to be where conservatism is headed, as well as the interesting topic of 'soft despotism', which is kind of hard to assign - could he have meant the average person, or the financial realm... hard to tell. He is a fan of the separation of the church and the state, which Mr. Huckabee seeks to erode.
It's funny that you should mention this book, since it doesn't really support some of your many opinions. I'll have to read it again. Many books need a second reading to gain a full understanding of them. I'm re-reading 'Blood Meridian' by Cormac McCarthy just in case things go seriously awry. I mean, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em, eh? I liken you to Judge Holden.
But Tocqueville makes some interest points, that's certain. 'American democracy was seen to have it's potential downside....the absence of intellectual freedom which he saw to degrade administration and bring statesmanship, learning, and literature to the level of the lowest', further prognosticating 'the violence of party spirit and the judgment of the wise (may be) subordinated to the prejudices of the ignorant. Like Sarah Palins camp.
Amazing. I think you might search elsewhere for reading suggestions (unless that was sarcasm), especially considering your fears of a 'socialist totalitarian state'. If this book is correct in all of it's assumptions and predictions, it would seem that the founding fathers themselves were greatly enmeshed in the fall even at the moment of creation.
Posted by ficheye at 11/14/2009 @ 6:18pm
Can you imagine that we ignored the lessons of the Great Depression and here we are 80 years later in the same type of mess.Only now we would have to start our own war.Oh,I forgot ,we did and it made every thing worse.What is worse is that we have destroyed our economy and now have conservative fools wondering what Reagan would do.I gave it some thought and came up with this. Well hogs of the economy,it is time to invest money in your companies again. Rehire your people and train them to be great.Start making great products again. Let everyone know that we are proud to have "made in America" on every thing we make.
Posted by whatozz at 11/14/2009 @ 6:25pm
Let everyone know that we are proud to have "made in America" on every thing we make.
Posted by whatozz at 11/14/2009 @ 6:25pm
I heard an amazing talk by a representative of the CATO organization, a libertarian opinion group.
What they actually said is that "Americans should now embrace the fact that we are a service industry nation".
They truly feel that the age of manufacturing is behind us, and that Americans should no longer think that any industry that involves working with our hands is worth rebuilding (shorthand for "let the Mexicans do all that grunt labor - we are the ruling class!).
They want us us, in short, to be a nation of pencil pushers, even though the education system is in disarray. Therefore is you don't have the 'vision' at age five, or the opportunity, or private schooling, you will be left out - and don't whine!
They work almost exclusively by numbers and polls... they never really seem to have an idea of what people want, only what THEY think we should be doing.
Social fascism. So much for 'Democracy in America'. The French, for all their democratic traditions, have many socialist yearnings in their country. Mai oui!
Posted by ficheye at 11/14/2009 @ 7:26pm
"BTW Darla, do you ever bother to read anything that isn't by a totalitarian socialist?"
yes
"Do you read anything that promotes liberty and individuality vs statism and socialism?"
nice false dichotomy.
"Ever read Alexis de Tocqueville's Democracy in America?"
yes.
"Have you ever read any of the founders?"
yes. smart lads.
Posted by darladoon at 11/14/2009 @ 9:01pm
Posted by ficheye at 11/14/2009 @ 7:26pm |
They overlook the speed with which a service economy can be co-opted. It only took a few decades to let the financial sector LBO the manufacturing sector into oblivion; offshoring 'pencil and paper' jobs to parts beyond should proceed even more quickly.
Service -> Servile -> Slave...economy
Posted by snowball777 at 11/14/2009 @ 9:27pm
Picking her 'cabinet' will be the first part of the circus.
Posted by ficheye at 11/14/2009
She'll probably make Junior Samples the Press Secretary.
Posted by koroviev at 11/14/2009 @ 10:11pm
Poor John, do you feel insignificant?
Posted by KansasGirl at 11/14/2009 @ 11:08pm
She'll probably make Junior Samples the Press Secretary. Posted by koroviev at 11/14/2009 @ 10:11pm |
Joe the Press Secretary...same difference...or perhaps she'd save him for the UN as a lobotomized version of John Bolton.
Posted by snowball777 at 11/15/2009 @ 08:55am
I must admit to a little amusement with the fact that CNN keeps referring to the book as 'Going Rouge' instead of 'Going Rogue'.
I know it's an easy typo to make, but I've seen it a dozen times now.
I'm still waiting for the 'Not In My Backyard' coffee cups, or the 'Abstinence Makes The Heart Grow Fonder' T shirt. Marketing! That's how she'll get elected. Americans who have turned off the thinking mechanism and replaced it with their base consumerist reflexes will 'buy' her just like a box of cereal. Hey! Has The First dude been on the Wheaties box yet?
Posted by ficheye at 11/15/2009 @ 12:43pm
Posted by ficheye at 11/15/2009 @ 12:43pm |
Yes...simple to spot...and avoid.
Posted by snowball777 at 11/15/2009 @ 1:09pm
Not me CCC. I'm drawing upon African Americans. What angers you is that they don't buy into the victim philosophy that liberals have pushed onto African Americans and that you seem so willing to accept.
That's a shame because it reveals a great deal about your claim to be an independent thinker.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/14/2009 @ 4:52pm
I don't think African Americans are victims I definately don't consider myself a victim at all considering I have argued the contrary many times. I think African Americans like everyone else are responsible for themselves. I DO think that the system was originally against them to begin with and there are still some thinks that are systemic and some things that are based on attitude that still exist, like the red lining you said your wife experienced. However your assumption based on zero evidence in more proof that you think you know what and who I am based on bigoted ideas instead of evidence. I never said in any way that African Americans are victims before you came up with the assumption.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 11/15/2009 @ 6:32pm
I see that Palin is in fact, far, far more than just "ordinary"....
My prediction: This thread will hit 150 minimum!
Posted by Happy at 11/13/2009 @ 3:37pm
The count as of now, is 157.....hey, MASK, please archive this one!
Posted by Happy at 11/15/2009 @ 9:04pm
- She wins neither: Cherm moves to Detroit Posted by snowball777 at 11/14/2009 @ 06:35am
Posted by ficheye at 11/14/2009 @ 2:18pm |
"If Sarah Palin actually becomes president we'd all better start praying about something. It will clearly show the amazing decline in mental clarity here in our country, a sort of 'political alzheimers' movement."
Hence my being okay with my side of the wager with Cherm...I'll be amongst the Dutch watching the circus via satellite.
"The countries with nuclear weapons will all re-target their missiles."
Let's be honest, the missiles are already aimed at us...we somewhat asked for it with our BiggestBadassOnTheBlock(tm) arsenal.
"She'll bring mandatory prayer into the presidential briefings."
A replacement for those pesky 'questions' that the press kept 'hounding' her with during that whatamacallit...campaign?
See? She learned something from that Couric interview!
"A combination of Imelda Marcos, Eva Peron, and Ann coulter?"
How to goose-step in pumps: a fascist lady's primer.
"I mean, I'd rather be where we are now, afraid of the Bilderberg group and the New World Order."
Until we can remove the ability for capital to influence campaigns like kites need wind, they will continue to be available to the well-heeled, however ill-prepared for leadership they may be.
The Britney Spears of politics: all marketing and no talent.
Posted by snowball777 at 11/16/2009 @ 06:45am
Ronald Wilson Reagan (if you count the letters you get 6 6 6 ) had a charm about him as to put at ease any and all listeners. From my readings HE is responsible for the total deregulation of Capitalism and its precipitous slide almost to oblivion in 2008. But he would say this harsh and ridiculous things like :" Govt is the problem not the answer." And most people, hypnotized by his powerful personality, would nod in agreement, "Yup". The Repugs (Can I say that?) are forever looking for another Ronald Reagan because their ideas and ideals are in the toilet. I'll give RWR this: He WAS one in a million. Sarah Palin, I can't even look or listen to her anymore. She says to me that the 25% who Lovvvve her are wild pariahs in this day and age. They had their shot for 30 economically wicked years. Time and demographics have caught up to them. 25% off the edge sanity no longer will dominate the country. Besides if SP becomes the candidate for Pres in 2012 the Dem candidate will take her apart in any and all debates.
Posted by N2Sman at 11/16/2009 @ 12:08pm
Judging by the fear, loathing, hate and venom Sarah Palin inspires on the left, I'd say the Republican Party is on the right track with her. Plus, she's got more governing and work experience than Obama (who has never had a job, and it shows). Obama can't quite figure out yet that 'we need to spend more money to keep from going bankrupt' does not make much sense. Guess common sense isn't need when you're 'community organizing'.
Posted by pontificus at 11/16/2009 @ 9:22pm