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RedditLast Thursday's shooting spree at the Fort Hood army base in Texas -- which left 13 people dead and 29 wounded -- was of course the "horrific outburst of violence" that President Obama bemoaned and condemned.
But, because the soldier who was quickly identified as the gunman had a name that led to the presumption that he was Muslim, the incident inspired an all-too-predictable explosion of Islamophobia.
News reports named the man who used two handguns in the assault on his fellow soldiers at a base that is a prime point of departure for troops headed to Iraq and Afghanistan as Major Malik Nidal Hasan. The major, who was wounded during the incident, was identified as a psychiatrist who had served in the Department of Psychology at the Center for the Study of Traumatic Stress at the Bethesda Naval Facility in Bethesda, Maryland, before his transfer to Fort Hood.
Hours after the incident, and hours after news anchors and politicians cited his religion as an explanation for the shootings, a family member confirmed that Major Hasan was indeed a Muslim.
But that was hardly the only relevant detail about the major.
For instance, Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison reported shortly after the shoorings, Hasan had been preparing to deploy to Afghanistan. The senator said, "I do know that he has been known to have told people that he was upset about going (to Iraq)." Several new reports suggested that the major saw a deployment to the warzone as his "worst nightmare" and recounted how he had treated victims of combat-related stress and was upset about the ongoing U.S. occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Military officials at the base and in Washington refused to speculate about motivations or intents in the immediate aftermath of the attack. But Paul Sullivan, executive director of the group Veterans for Common Sense, suggested shortly after the incident that it might well be the latest in a series of stress-related homicides and suicides involving soldiers who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan or are being dispatched to those occupied lands.
No matter where the speculation went Thursday afternoon, the bottom line was clear: No one knew on whether stress, fear, anger over mistreatment, mental illness or a warped understanding of his religion might have motivated Major Hasan.
The point here is not to defend the soldier or his alleged actions -- the evidence at hand suggests that he was, at the least, a deeply troubled man whose statements and actions should have raised concerns among his superiors long before Thursday's incident. By Friday, there were news reports that he had shouted "Allahu Akbar" ("God is great") before opening fire. There was clearly something wrong with this imperfect follower of Islam. But that does not mean that there is something wrong with Islam.
Enlightened Americans -- at least those who trace their patriotism to Thomas Jefferson, a man fascinated by and respectful of Islam and whose library contained copies of the Koran -- should be unsettled by the initial rush to judgment regarding not just this one Muslim but all Muslims.
It should be understood that to assume a follower of Islam who engages in violence is a jihadist is every bit as absurd as to assume that a follower of Christianity who attacks others is a crusader. The calculus makes no sense, and it is rooted in a bigotry that everyone from George W. Bush to Pope Benedict XVI has condemned.
But that did not stop right-wing web sites from responding to the release of the suspect's name -- and no other details -- with incendiary speculation about a "Jihad at Fort Hood?" and a "Terrorist Incident in Texas."
Fox News host Shepard Smith asked Senator Hutchison on air: "The name tells us a lot, does it not, senator?"
Hutchinson's response? "It does. It does, Shepard."
With those words, the senator leapt from making assumptions about one man to making assumptions about a whole religion.
What could Hutchinson have said that might have been more responsible response?
She could have emphasized that the investigation of the shooting spree has barely begun.
She might also have noted that thousands of Muslims serve honorably, indeed heroically, in the U.S. military; that American Muslim soldiers have died In Iraq and been buried at Arlington Cemetery; that some of the first condemnations of the slayings at Fort Hood came from Muslim veterans such as Robert Salaam.
"I'm sad for those killed and wounded by a traitor to both God and our country, and I regret that I even feel that I have to write something on the subject. Words cannot express my emotions and the instant headache I received when notified by my dear sister Sheila Musaji over at The American Muslim (TAM) concerning the alleged culprit," wrote Salaam, who served in the Marine Corps, within minutes after learning the gunman's name. "They have not yet released further details such as the motive but I will state for the record that no true Muslim could ever commit such a crime against humanity. As Muslims we are reminded that to take one innocent life is as if one killed all of mankind. Muslims are also commanded to keep their oaths when given."
Salaam is not alone in regretting that, as a Muslim, he feels a need to respond to the incident with an explanation of his religion.
But the conversation between Fox's Smith and Senator Hutchinson reminds us why it is necessary to respond.
And so Muslim groups have responded quickly and unequivocally.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations, the nation's largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy group, issued a statement that read: "We condemn this cowardly attack in the strongest terms possible and ask that the perpetrators be punished to the full extent of the law. No religious or political ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence. The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured."
Salam Al-Marayati, executive director of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, declared that, "Our entire organization extends its heartfelt condolences to the families of those killed as well as to those wounded and their loved ones. We stand in solidarity with law enforcement and the US military to maintain the safety and security of all Americans."
Those are sentiments that are worth noting, especially by news anchors and senators who are in a position to inform the discussion of a horrific incident -- rather than to inflame it.
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Posted by whatozz at 11/05/2009 @ 7:52pm
Madness prevails. For instance we are wasting our time responding to crybaby leftwing blog pundits in media such as Nichols who is trying his best to find a story that distances itself from the main topic. AMERICANS KILLED BY A MUSLIM ON A BASE!! So it's a knee jerk reaction...all of you are more worried about being PC than the families of dead or wounded. Find somthing else to do NICHOLS!!
Posted by areuallthatsleft at 11/05/2009 @ 8:08pm
is it jihad when it's at the local mall?
at a christmas party?
stupid humans.
Posted by frosty zoom at 11/05/2009 @ 8:09pm
12 people dead and you're already complaining about islamophobia? I think I'd have a fear of Islam too if bullets were flying at me.
To see is to understand. To open your eyes is to see.
Posted by Sarpedon at 11/05/2009 @ 8:17pm
What's in a name? Apparently quite a bit. When something like this happens and the shooter has a Muslim name, well....too bad he wasn't killed sooner.
Posted by pyeatte at 11/05/2009 @ 8:18pm
Mr. Nichols doth protest too much me thinks.
Posted by Sarpedon at 11/05/2009 @ 8:18pm
Most of these guys are a breath away from committing mass murder. Some are so eager, they can't even wait to get to Iraq or Afghanistan, before carrying out atrocities of this sort.
Shut down the military and use the trillions we are flushing down the toilet on this lunacy for something worthwhile.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/05/2009 @ 8:53pm
FBI has found blog postings of this major, still alive as it turns out, that go back 6 months........indicating sympathies w/suicide bombers.....
Complicated!
Like the Virginia Tech shootings.....we need more folks to carry concealed weapons! Ironic on a military base, few were armed.
Posted by Happy at 11/05/2009 @ 8:56pm
Methinks the Major was a bit conflicted. Guess he didn't want to go to Iraq where we are killing other members of his religion. Maybe "conflicted" is too weak a term.
so why are we in Iraq now? Thought the fighting was over and we won
Posted by notsleepy at 11/05/2009 @ 9:31pm
Are you going to retract this article in the face of evidence this *was* about islam? http://www.scribd.com/NidalHasan
Posted by bias at 11/05/2009 @ 9:36pm
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/05/2009 @ 8:53pm
I am an infantry Iraq war veteran and was stationed at Fort Hood until March 2007. Do you wish that I was among the dead?
Posted by gangpapist at 11/05/2009 @ 10:10pm
did the man's religion really have anything to do with his deed? Perhaps it has more to do with his having snapped at the thought of being sent to Iraq.
Posted by eshatter at 11/05/2009 @ 10:15pm
SmashIsrael...... your name is disgusting!!! I am a liberal and find your ignorant lack of historical truth appalling. You need to educate yourself as to the history of the Arab/ Jewish wars over the last 200o years! Wake your ass up and get a brain!!! If you had to live in ANY Arab country, you would see how insane and violent these people are. If you had to live in Israel, you would be shocked by the elevated culture and sympathy these people have. If 6 million of your people had been exterminated, you would not be so ignorant to write such a stupid name as you have!!! You have NO idea what you are talking about!!!! You are the liberal version of a stupid right winger!!!
Posted by Tiger2Lover at 11/05/2009 @ 10:22pm
It is astonishing that post 9/11, and especially in light of the Fort Dix plot, that it would be a thought crime to suspect jihad as a motive here.
I am literally sick. Their bodies are still warm and the hatred for Americans and soldiers is already being blogged here.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/05/2009 @ 10:33pm
SmashIsrael...... your name is disgusting!!! I am a liberal and find your ignorant lack of historical truth appalling. You need to educate yourself as to the history of the Arab/ Jewish wars over the last 200o years! Wake your ass up and get a brain!!! If you had to live in ANY Arab country, you would see how insane and violent these people are. If you had to live in Israel, you would be shocked by the elevated culture and sympathy these people have. If 6 million of your people had been exterminated, you would not be so ignorant to write such a stupid name as you have!!! You have NO idea what you are talking about!!!! You are the liberal version of a stupid right winger!!! Posted by Tiger2Lover at 11/05/2009 @ 10:22pm | ignore this person | warn this person
You can actually claim the Israelis are an "elevated culture" with "sympathy" for others in the face of the stomach turning daily reports of their Nazism, the beatings of innocent people, the ethnic cleansing going on as we speak in Jerusalem, the bombings of hospitals and schools while the population cheers and howls for more Palestinian blood?
You're out of your fucking mind, pal.
ps: I'm Jewish, so spare me the holocaust propaganda. Primo Levi said it quite well: "Today, the Palestinians are the Jews of the Israelis."
Thank god Levi-- survivor of Auschwitz--didn't live to see just how low the vermin of Israel have sunk.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/05/2009 @ 10:39pm
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/05/2009 @ 8:53pm I am an infantry Iraq war veteran and was stationed at Fort Hood until March 2007. Do you wish that I was among the dead? Posted by gangpapist at 11/05/2009 @ 10:10pm | ignore this person | warn this person
I'd need more information. If it meant saving the civilians your buddies massacred in Haditha, then yes.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/05/2009 @ 10:41pm
Anyone who believes it's all about Islam is showing their complete ignorance through their own racist based fear.
What religion was Seung-Hui Cho who shot and killed people at V-Tech? What religion was Steven Kazmierczak who shot and killed people at N. Illinois? What religion was Timothy McVey who blew up the OK City Building?
Do you know? And does it matter in these shootings?
This is a man who was obviously troubled, unstable, but to say that his name, his religion or his background is suddenly "says a lot" you are an idiot.
Posted by mschafer at 11/05/2009 @ 10:43pm
the jihad apologists are not wasting time.
The facts are coming out about this jihadist as his military jacket has already been released.
He was a devout Muslim who posted on the internet and argued with others that jihadists were heroic "soldiers"
He advocated that American Muslims should wear sucide bomb jackets to Times Square to target Americans.
He was under investigation by the FBI for his remarks.
He was evaluated as incompetent, bordering on malpractice while at Walter Reed.
His handguns were not military issue and he used them with a skill not normally found by military or civilian psychiatrists. His murders were premeditated.
He spouted the usual muslim extremist rhetoric about the US imperialism and aggression.
All in all, this was a terrorist who committed a terrorist act and 12 Americans are dead, and 31 wounded because of this jihadist.
His will be a quick trial followed by a short period until his execution.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/05/2009 @ 10:46pm
Mr. Nichols doth protest too much me thinks.
Posted by Sarpedon at 11/05/2009 @ 8:18pm
Not at all. I mean, remember how quickly John Nichols came to Rush Limbaugh's defense when he was unfairly blamed for Timothy McVey's bombing? Remember Nichols wrote, "The point here is not to defend the bomber or his alleged actions. Rather, it is to question the rush to judgment regarding not just this one right winger but all right wingers."
Remember that?
Yeah, me neither.
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/05/2009 @ 10:56pm
I'm not quite sure why apologists are playing the tired old Islamophobia card. It seems to me there is not nearly enough Islamophobia if today's body count is failing to wake anyone up.
If this unsanitized stream of truth made you uncomfortable, please go back to sleep.
Posted by Sarpedon at 11/05/2009 @ 10:57pm
AMERICANS KILLED BY A MUSLIM ON A BASE!! Posted by areuallthatsleft at 11/05/2009 @ 8:08pm
1995: 168 Americans killed in a federal building by a Christian terrorist with erstwhile affiliation to the Republican Party and the NRA
1999: 13 Americans killed in a school by a Christian and a half-Christian/half-Jew
...and so on. That's how all this should be reported, right? Why hide behind PC terms that don't identify the religion of the perpetrator(s)?
Posted by oneworld at 11/05/2009 @ 11:03pm
I'm not quite sure why apologists are playing the tired old Amerophobia card. It seems to me there is not nearly enough Amerophobia if over 1 million killed in Iraq fails to wake anyone up.
Posted by Sarpedon at 11/05/2009 @ 10:57pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/05/2009 @ 11:04pm
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/05/2009 @ 10:41pm
My unit killed Zarqawi, and other terrorists, which probably saved many civilians. Is that enough information?
Posted by gangpapist at 11/05/2009 @ 11:04pm
My unit killed Zarqawi, and other terrorists, which probably saved many civilians. Is that enough information? Posted by gangpapist at 11/05/2009 @ 11:04pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Obviously, on balance, the American military has hardly been a force for good in Iraq. I hope you are not making that argument.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/05/2009 @ 11:07pm
Most of these guys are a breath away from committing mass murder. Some are so eager, they can't even wait to get to Iraq or Afghanistan, before carrying out atrocities of this sort.
Shut down the military and use the trillions we are flushing down the toilet on this lunacy for something worthwhile.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/05/2009 @ 8:53pm | ignore this person | warn this person
I hope you recieve the opportunity to express this opinion to some American servicemen in person and soon!
Posted by BigPasture at 11/05/2009 @ 11:07pm
Not at all. I mean, remember how quickly John Nichols came to Rush Limbaugh's defense when he was unfairly blamed for Timothy McVey's bombing? Remember Nichols wrote, "The point here is not to defend the bomber or his alleged actions. Rather, it is to question the rush to judgment regarding not just this one right winger but all right wingers."
Remember that?
Yeah, me neither.
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/05/2009 @ 10:56pm | ignore this person | warn this person
A journalist defending another journalist. How noble. How absent the self-interest.
Posted by Sarpedon at 11/05/2009 @ 11:08pm
I hope you recieve the opportunity to express this opinion to some American servicemen in person and soon! Posted by BigPasture at 11/05/2009 @ 11:07pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Sounds like we agree that American servicemen are violent and unstable. Today just reconfirmed that.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/05/2009 @ 11:11pm
As the night continues with updates this sounds more and more like a terrorist attack. How many more are planted in this country and in the military. While dumb white Americans are busy hating Black people because of the color of their skin and stupid white commentaries are trying to brew up a race war these real haters are getting in position. Can you believe this? Our soldiers standing in line to get ready to leave for war, are gunned down in the good ole racist state of Texas. My heart is so very very heavy for these kids...standing in line getting ready to go defend our country. Wake up...stop the hate...it"s running rampant on our land
Posted by MASHnews at 11/05/2009 @ 11:15pm
Sounds like we agree that American servicemen are violent and unstable. Today just reconfirmed that.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/05/2009 @ 11:11pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Adherents of the religion of peace however, have a blemishless track-record.
Posted by Sarpedon at 11/05/2009 @ 11:16pm
Posted by antisocialist at 11/05/2009 @ 10:46pm
Sgt. Russell killed 5 fellow soldiers in Iraq just six months ago. Did any write-up mention his religion? But once the name is Major Hasan, religion pops right up!
If all that you say about the Major is true and was already known, then why, exactly, was this person still in active service? And why, exactly, was he being deployed to Iraq of all places?
Posted by oneworld at 11/05/2009 @ 11:16pm
If all that you say about the Major is true and was already known, then why, exactly, was this person still in active service? And why, exactly, was he being deployed to Iraq of all places?
Posted by oneworld at 11/05/2009 @ 11:16pm
That is a very fair question. And a good one. I hope the answer isn't simply "political correctness". Maybe the ACLU can shed some light on this...
Right.
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/05/2009 @ 11:19pm
Pretty good piece:
http://tiny.cc/pu08K
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/05/2009 @ 11:21pm
That is a very fair question. And a good one. I hope the answer isn't simply "political correctness". Maybe the ACLU can shed some light on this...
Right.
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/05/2009 @ 11:19pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Political correctness probably hits the nail on the head. The army could do much worse (as today proves) than to institute religious profiling.
Posted by Sarpedon at 11/05/2009 @ 11:23pm
Posted by gangpapist at 11/05/2009 @ 10:10pm | ignore this person | warn this person Posted by gangpapist at 11/05/2009 @ 11:04pm | ignore this person | warn this person
I am literally sick. Their bodies are still warm and the hatred for Americans and soldiers is already being blogged here.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/05/2009 @ 10:33pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Said it before, but THANK YOU!
9 of our local nat'l guards and 19 of our Ft. Sill regulars thankfully were not among the dead or wounded. Little comfort for them or the families of those not so fortunate. These were "unarmed" men in a major processing area from reports. One sgt. lost 8 men of his squad when he had been detained elsewhere with the busy prep. work. Just sick!
Posted by BigPasture at 11/05/2009 @ 11:28pm
Why isn't it 'terrorism' when Seung-Hui Cho, Steven Kazmierczak or Timothy McVey murder innocent people in the US? Because admitting that there are more homegrown terrorists than imported and that terrorism has occurred in the US since 9-11 would be admitting that Homeland Security is a joke (which it is).
But what does this matter when the definition of 'terrorism' has been turned on its head? What about Sand Creek, the explosion of the USS Maine, the massacre of the Phillipines, My Lai, El Mozote, Iran/Contra, support for Colombia, Pinochet, Somoza, Trujillo, the Saudis, the fascists of Argentina, Paraguay, Brasil, Indonesia, Israel, etc... The US has proven time and again that terrorism works.
You wanna stop terrorism? Stop engaging in the practice by holding yourself to the same standards you demand of others.
Posted by chimichenga at 11/05/2009 @ 11:32pm
Posted by chimichenga at 11/05/2009 @ 11:32pm
Well, I agree with you on that. We should live up to our own standards.
But I disagree with your contention that our doing so would stop terrorism.
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/05/2009 @ 11:37pm
Look, let's clear a couple of things up. Nichols wasn't talking about whether the guy actually was motivated by a distorted form of Islam or not. His real problem came from this part:
<<Fox News host Shepard Smith asked Senator Hutchison on air: "The name tells us a lot, does it not, senator?"
Hutchinson's response? "It does. It does, Shepard." >>
No...no it doesn't. Concluding based on thoroughly-gathered evidence that he was motivated by an extremist form of Islam is not bigotry. Concluding that he likely belongs to an extremist brand of Islam because he shot people and his name SOUNDS ARAB (which is the only thing that "the name tells us a lot" could possibly mean)...is.
Most Smiths are probably Christian. If a police officer arrests a Mr. Smith who shot a few guys, will you assume he adheres to a radical branch of Christianity and then talk about how he's reuniting with his brethren who cite "I come not to bring peace, but a sword" and "I come not to change one iota of the law" (interpreted by them as 'the whole law of the Old Testament stands and if Paul says otherwise Jesus trumps Paul')?
Please.
Posted by Thrawn at 11/05/2009 @ 11:37pm
I hope you recieve the opportunity to express this opinion to some American servicemen in person and soon! Posted by BigPasture at 11/05/2009 @ 11:07pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Sounds like we agree that American servicemen are violent and unstable. Today just reconfirmed that.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/05/2009 @ 11:11pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Not really, I just couldn't bring myself to desire that God have mercy on your soul and the souls of your family after your display of obvious HATRED and JOY at the deaths of American servicemen and the grief of their families!
Posted by BigPasture at 11/05/2009 @ 11:42pm
Most Smiths are probably Christian.
Posted by Thrawn at 11/05/2009 @ 11:37pm | ignore this person | warn this person
I know a couple Smiths that are atheists, and one pagan. Now I'm going to start crying about the horribly culturally insensitive generalization you just made.
Posted by Sarpedon at 11/05/2009 @ 11:43pm
Posted by Thrawn at 11/05/2009 @ 11:37pm
Well said! Maybe you should have written this article instead of Nichols. :)
Posted by oneworld at 11/05/2009 @ 11:44pm
Yes, I'd much rather he did it to impress Jodie Foster.
Posted by swanny58 at 11/05/2009 @ 11:45pm
I think I get what the commentators are saying. The killer was a Muslim, but that doesn't mean the dead were killed by a Muslim because CAIR condemned it.
Posted by barnaby at 11/05/2009 @ 11:45pm
The following is a list of known terror plots thwarted by the U.S. government since Sept. 11, 2001.
December 2001, Richard Reid: British citizen attempted to ignite shoe bomb on flight from Paris to Miami.
May 2002, Jose Padilla: American citizen accused of seeking radioactive-laced "dirty bomb" to use in an attack against Amrica. Padilla was convicted of conspiracy in August, 2007.
September 2002, Lackawanna Six: American citizens of Yemeni origin convicted of supporting Al Qaeda after attending jihadist camp in Pakistan. Five of six were from Lackawanna, N.Y.
May 2003, Iyman Faris: American citizen charged with plotting to use blowtorches to collapse the Brooklyn Bridge.
June 2003, Virginia Jihad Network: Eleven men from Alexandria, Va., trained for jihad against American soldiers, convicted of violating the Neutrality Act, conspiracy.
August 2004, Dhiren Barot: Indian-born leader of terror cell plotted bombings on financial centers (see additional images).
August 2004, James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj: Sought to plant bomb at New York's Penn Station during the Republican National Convention.
August 2004, Yassin Aref and Mohammed Hossain: Plotted to assassinate a Pakistani diplomat on American soil.
June 2005, Father and son Umer Hayat and Hamid Hayat: Son convicted of attending terrorist training camp in Pakistan; father convicted of customs violation.
August 2005, Kevin James, Levar Haley Washington, Gregory Vernon Patterson and Hammad Riaz Samana: Los Angeles homegrown terrorists who plotted to attack National Guard, LAX, two synagogues and Israeli consulate.
Posted by BigPasture at 11/05/2009 @ 11:50pm
December 2005, Michael Reynolds: Plotted to blow up natural gas refinery in Wyoming, the Transcontinental Pipeline, and a refinery in New Jersey. Reynolds was sentenced to 30 years in prison.
February 2006, Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman El-Hindi and Zand Wassim Mazloum: Accused of providing material support to terrorists, making bombs for use in Iraq.
April 2006, Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee: Cased and videotaped the Capitol and World Bank for a terrorist organization.
June 2006, Narseal Batiste, Patrick Abraham, Stanley Grant Phanor, Naudimar Herrera, Burson Augustin, Lyglenson Lemorin, and Rotschild Augstine: Accused of plotting to blow up the Sears Tower.
July 2006, Assem Hammoud: Accused of plotting to bomb New York City train tunnels.
August 2006, Liquid Explosives Plot: Thwarted plot to explode ten airliners over the United States.
March 2007, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed: Mastermind of Sept. 11 and author of numerous plots confessed in court in March 2007 to planning to destroy skyscrapers in New York, Los Angeles and Chicago. Mohammedalso plotted to assassinate Pope John Paul II and former President Bill Clinton.
May 2007, Fort Dix Plot: Six men accused of plotting to attack Fort Dix Army base in New Jersey. The plan included attacking and killing soldiers using assault rifles and grenades.
June 2007, JFK Plot: Four men are accused of plotting to blow up fuel arteries that run through residential neighborhoods at JFK Airport in New York.
Posted by BigPasture at 11/05/2009 @ 11:51pm
September 2007, German authorities disrupt a terrorist cell that was planning attacks on military installations and facilities used by Americans in Germany. The Germans arrested three suspected members of the Islamic Jihad Union, a group that has links to Al Qaeda and supports Al Qaeda's global jihadist agenda.
Posted by chimichenga at 11/05/2009 @ 11:32pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Na...I'd say that homeland security has merit!
Posted by BigPasture at 11/05/2009 @ 11:54pm
Well said! Maybe you should have written this article instead of Nichols. :)
Posted by oneworld at 11/05/2009 @ 11:44pm
True. My first goal would be to include 'Islamophobia' as frequently and provocatively as possible. Then people would know I'm serious and don't stoop to trite, emotion-laden catch phrases.
Posted by Sarpedon at 11/05/2009 @ 11:54pm
All in all, this was a terrorist who committed a terrorist act and 12 Americans are dead, and 31 wounded because of this jihadist.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/05/2009 @ 10:46pm
Hey Preacher,
How about holding all Jews responsible for the Israeli attack on our Navy ship, the USS Liberty? 34 American Sailors died and 171 wounded.
How about holding all Christians responsible, including your ass, for the murder of 200,000 Muslims in Bosnia by the Christian Serbs?
How about holding all Americans responsible for the crimes of George Bush in Iraq?
It is ironic that a Chauvinist like you claims affinity to God; you are the devil reincarnated.
Posted by CripThink at 11/05/2009 @ 11:56pm
Posted by BigPasture at 11/05/2009 @ 11:28pm
thanks big p. I don't know if i can add much more to this. Just shocking.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/05/2009 @ 11:59pm
If all that you say about the Major is true and was already known, then why, exactly, was this person still in active service? And why, exactly, was he being deployed to Iraq of all places?
Posted by oneworld at 11/05/2009 @ 11:16pm
That is a very fair question. And a good one. I hope the answer isn't simply "political correctness". Maybe the ACLU can shed some light on this... Right.
Posted by freiheit1 at 11/05/2009 @ 11:19pm
Exactly. How could this guy possibly have been in the service for so long without 'homeland security' red flagging him and, at the very least, removing him from a military base?
Antisocialist seems to have a lot of information on the newest revelations. But, for one moment, let's leave his 'jihadist' ties and agenda behind for the more important aspect of 'prevention'. How on earth was this fellow still in the military at all if he was making serious comments about bombings and other terrorist type activities?
It boggles the mind and puts a serious shadow over the effectiveness of homeland security, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, and every 'vigilant' group that is supposed to be protecting us from the next incident.
It should have never happened. When they dissect the scenario for all pertinent details hopefully someone else's ass will fry for dropping the ball. Un-fucking-believable.
Posted by ficheye at 11/06/2009 @ 12:04am
Not really, I just couldn't bring myself to desire that God have mercy on your soul and the souls of your family after your display of obvious HATRED and JOY at the deaths of American servicemen and the grief of their families! Posted by BigPasture at 11/05/2009 @ 11:42pm | ignore this person | warn this person
No joy in it at all. I see the whole thing as a FAR greater tragedy than you do. It's a tragedy that young men and women who could do so many productive and life-affirming things in life wind up brainwashed into America's Nazi murder cult where they become plagued with horrifying memories they can never erase or are killed or blinded or maimed in pursuit of this country's idiotic and murderous foreign policies, which have bled the country of trillions of dollars and left in their wake a mountain of corpses.
You only see the tragedy of the 12 men killed.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/06/2009 @ 12:05am
Not to worry, the state of Texas will bear the brunt of this country's bigotry, even though the shooter was not a Texan (like Bush). Even NPR tells "Texas" bigotry jokes.
Posted by dingoangst at 11/06/2009 @ 12:09am
That the killer is a licensed psychiatrist may tell far more than his ethnic descent.
That he was surrounded by state-sponsored killing & supported state-sponsored killing throughout his long military career may tell far more than his ethnic descent.
That he was born & raised in a gun-loving, violence-pervaded society may tell far more than his ethnic descent.
This seems to happen once or twice a year, every year in the US.
Maybe it tells more about the US than this particular killer.
But who wants to hear?
Posted by sloper at 11/06/2009 @ 12:22am
April 2006, Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee: Cased and videotaped the Capitol and World Bank for a terrorist organization.
Posted by BigPasture at 11/05/2009 @ 11:51pm
BigPasure (conveys strong smell of fomentation)
You seemed to have labored very hard to draw a link between terrorism and Muslim names, and consequently, implying an organic link between Islam and terrorism. Incidentally, this has been the Israeli agenda for quite a while.
I have a more extensive list of Irish Catholic names, and Israeli Jewish names who committed more atrocious terrorist acts. Using your yard stick, shall we conclude that Jews and Catholics are terrorists too?
Posted by CripThink at 11/06/2009 @ 12:34am
If all that you say about the Major is true and was already known, then why, exactly, was this person still in active service? And why, exactly, was he being deployed to Iraq of all places?
Posted by oneworld at 11/05/2009 @ 11:16pm
there are a lot of investigators inside and outside of the govt asking that same question tonite.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/06/2009 @ 12:39am
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/06/2009 @ 12:05am
"America's Nazi murder cult..."
You know nothing about us. Your invective though, is supportive of murder.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/06/2009 @ 12:39am
That he was surrounded by state-sponsored killing & supported state-sponsored killing throughout his long military career may tell far more than his ethnic descent.
That he was born & raised in a gun-loving, violence-pervaded society may tell far more than his ethnic descent.
This seems to happen once or twice a year, every year in the US.
Maybe it tells more about the US than this particular killer.
But who wants to hear?
Posted by sloper at 11/06/2009 @ 12:22am
His long military career?
He graduated from VA Tech in 1997 and was commissioned while he then attended a military hospital school to received his medical degree.
He began his active military duty in 2003 at Walter Reed as an intern and then became a full psychiatrist in 2007.
He was transferred to Ft Hood in July of this year while promoted to the rank of Major. What is interesting is that despite being known throughout his life as a devout Muslim, in including since going active in the military, he put "no religious preference" on his paperwork for Major.
Couple that with his internet jihadist remarks and those to other military personnel and that triggered the FBI beginning a profile on him. Several medical officers who served with him are probably looking at charges for not carrying out their duties to report his more outrageous suggestions about killing Americans which was a dereliction of duty on their part.
This guy was building a level of hate and someone should have done something sooner so that those dead soldiers would still be alive tonite.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/06/2009 @ 12:45am
Because admitting that there are more homegrown terrorists than imported and that terrorism has occurred in the US since 9-11 would be admitting that Homeland Security is a joke (which it is).
Posted by chimichenga at 11/05/2009 @ 11:32pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Na...I'd say that homeland security has merit!
Posted by BigPasture at 11/05/2009 @ 11:54pm | ignore this person | warn this person
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Posted by CripThink at 11/06/2009 @ 12:34am | ignore this person | warn this person
Crip, is it possible your ADD or ADHD is to blame? Try to follow the train of thought without jumping the track! It was about actual terrorist plots since 9-11 that have been averted.
Posted by BigPasture at 11/06/2009 @ 12:56am
How do I know this is not another false flag terrorist conspiracy? Most psychotic killers are not very bright. So how did Malik Nidal Hasan get through medical school and become a major? Why wasn't he discharged from the service?
Assume nothing. Do not even assume that the killings took place without proof. Do not assume that Major Hasan exists or that he is still alive. I see no resemblance between the 89 year old 'James von Brunn' and the real von Brunn. Why can't we see his ears and his 1981 arrest mug shots? Nor is there any evidence that Saddam Hussein is dead. Despite the resemblance, only a blind man can mistake the Saddam Hussein double hanged in Baghdad for the real Hussein. Download
http://www.sott.net/signs/editorials/signs20061106
_TheCaptureTrialandConvictionofSaddamHusseinA
notherUSIntelligenceFarce.php and
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/05-16-
05/discussion.cgi.50.html
One thing is certain, it did not take long for the shills to come out of the woodwork and exploit the killings for all they are worth, assuming there were killings.
Posted by MarkOller at 11/06/2009 @ 01:31am
I think this is interesting to point out. A Muslim by the name of Akbar Hasan who also served in the military for the US was sentenced to the death penalty for killing fellow soilders in Iraq in an incident in 2003. This man should get the same.
Posted by noc-owl at 11/06/2009 @ 01:32am
I don't care if his name was Osama Bin Laden, he commited a terroist act. Whether on U.S. or foreign ground, soldier or forigner, he is a TERRORIST. And being in the United States Army he is considered a deserter. FIRING SQUAD HIS ASS!!!
Posted by bigspoon1 at 11/06/2009 @ 01:41am
Your a moron!!! These people fight so you can have the right to trash talk them. If the military is so bad we will do as you wish and do away with them. Hope you like being a slave. It will be on your doorstep. F*ing IDIOT!
Posted by bigspoon1 at 11/06/2009 @ 01:44am
Posted by noc-owl at 11/06/2009 @ 01:32am
I presume you would want the same punishment for Sgt. Russell, guilty of the same crime as the two Muslims you mentioned.
Posted by oneworld at 11/06/2009 @ 01:47am
Your right! We should have left the mass graves of ethnic cleansing to keep going on. Believe what you want but unless you were there you have no damn right to comment. This isn't about Iraq, it's about a terrorist. Soldier or not. Once he decided to do this unthinkable act, he became a terrorist. I give a damn about his religion.
Posted by bigspoon1 at 11/06/2009 @ 01:53am
I pray that you don't live in the United States of America. If so... I would love your address... Sounds like a visit from our "unstable" servicemen and women is warrented. Be sure to renounce your citezenship before they get there!!!
Posted by bigspoon1 at 11/06/2009 @ 02:00am
Hey this is Fox news talking to a Republican , of course they would jump to racist conclusions and we know the GOP's Favorite slogan :" If it ain't white it ain't right "
Posted by underoath at 11/06/2009 @ 02:12am
noc-owl, bigspoon1 and oneworld:
If you are not sock puppets created by the same disinformation agent, use your real names. Or, are you embarrassed to admit that you wrote these messages?
My full name is Mark Scott Oller, and I live at 422 N. Armistead St., Apt. 304, Alexandria, VA 22312-3493. Incidentally, this is close to the Pentagon, which I looked at late in the afternoon on 9/11/2001, and there was no wreckage. Although, at the time I lived at 8 Canterbury Square, Apt. 102, Alexandria, VA 22304-3000. You can email me at markscottoller@yahoo.com.
Posted by MarkOller at 11/06/2009 @ 02:24am
It's not so much as the GOP and Fox are racist as they are desperate.
They made their living from fearmongering.
Remember Bush in 2004, with those transparently contrived coded alerts and the duct tape advice.
Remember Guliani's campaign in the '08 primary? He could barely leave a fart without saying "9/11." It was like he had tourette's.
They want this to be about Islam so bad they can taste it.
They are like a junkie who needs that next hit of skag.
Posted by koroviev at 11/06/2009 @ 02:26am
Before concluding that I am paranoid, read this:
James von Brunn did not shoot the security guard! by stophypocrisy
I find it hard to believe that James von Brunn could kill anybody. I did not know James Von Brunn personally and only posted two essays he sent me and asked me to post. Everything posted on this blog is for educational purposes only and are the responsibility of the authors. I am against any form of violence except in self defense. Contrary to popular belief I think James von Brunn did not hate Jews. He never emailed me and said he hated anybody. I can't believe he killed anyone.... www.arsenalofhypocrisy.com/blog/?p=591
Posted by: markoller | June 19, 2009 2:09 PM
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guest
voices/2009/06/von_bunns_virtual_neighborhood
.html
Now, the arsenalofhypocrisy blog is 'temporarily' disabled, but this can still be found on numerous blogs:
On May 12, 2008, von Brunn wrote on his "arsenal of hypocrisy" blog that Hitler's "worst mistake" was that "he didn't gas the Jews."
http://blogs.america.gov/rumors/tag/anti-
semitism/
According to the first message, arsenalofhypocrisy wasn't even James von Brunn's blog.
Posted by MarkOller at 11/06/2009 @ 03:44am
Excellent analysis Thrawn!
Posted by brunowe at 11/06/2009 @ 04:04am
This article by James von Brunn proves that he still had a sharp mind at 88. It was deleted by FreeRepublic, for which it deserves the rubber backbone award, but it was preserved by Irregular Times.
Irregular Times: Mirror of the writings of James von Brunn on FreeRepublic
James von Brunn, white supremacist shooter at the Washington, DC Holocaust Museum, was also a lauded poster to the right-wing website Free Republic. Below is a mirror of the Google Cache of von Brunn's writings of December 2 2008 and the freerepublic.com right-wing readership's positive reaction to him. The mirror, unadulterated except by the addition of this note, is posted here in the interest of historical reference.
Obama is missing!
http://irregulartimes.com/freerepublicjameswvonbr
unn.htm
Posted by MarkOller at 11/06/2009 @ 04:08am
The following is a list of known terror plots thwarted by the U.S. government since Sept. 11, 2001.
December 2001, Richard Reid: British citizen attempted to ignite shoe bomb on flight from Paris to Miami.
May 2002, Jose Padilla: American citizen accused of seeking radioactive-laced "dirty bomb" to use in an attack against Amrica. Padilla was convicted of conspiracy in August, 2007.
September 2002, Lackawanna Six: American citizens of Yemeni origin convicted of supporting Al Qaeda after attending jihadist camp in Pakistan. Five of six were from Lackawanna, N.Y.
May 2003, Iyman Faris: American citizen charged with plotting to use blowtorches to collapse the Brooklyn Bridge.
June 2003, Virginia Jihad Network: Eleven men from Alexandria, Va., trained for jihad against American soldiers, convicted of violating the Neutrality Act, conspiracy.
August 2004, Dhiren Barot: Indian-born leader of terror cell plotted bombings on financial centers (see additional images).
August 2004, James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj: Sought to plant bomb at New York's Penn Station during the Republican National Convention.
August 2004, Yassin Aref and Mohammed Hossain: Plotted to assassinate a Pakistani diplomat on American soil.
June 2005, Father and son Umer Hayat and Hamid Hayat: Son convicted of attending terrorist training camp in Pakistan; father convicted of customs violation.
August 2005, Kevin James, Levar Haley Washington, Gregory Vernon Patterson and Hammad Riaz Samana: Los Angeles homegrown terrorists who plotted to attack National Guard, LAX, two synagogues and Israeli consulate.
Posted by BigPasture at 11/05/2009 @ 11:50pm
How do we know a word of that is true?
Posted by MarkOller at 11/06/2009 @ 04:17am
@tigerlover - The Arabs including the Turks are the nations who hosted the jews and welcomed them in their land after the ethnic cleansing by CHRISTIAN EUROPEANS. Please re-read that. Would you like it if the guest in your house took a gun and ordered you to leave your home and make it his own???? Right if the answer is No then read on if not do not bother.
SO why are the Christian crusaders killing muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan? Oil? Obviously one of the main reasons. And guess what? BBC announced last night that new oil fields in Iraq have been 'discovered' and they will produce 18 billion barrels of oil. ENRON is one of the comapanies awarded the contract. Surprised? No, I thought so. Goodness gracious! You christains want a war with the muslims???. Okay.
Posted by suha.cassim at 11/06/2009 @ 05:52am
If all that you say about the Major is true and was already known, then why, exactly, was this person still in active service? And why, exactly, was he being deployed to Iraq of all places? Posted by oneworld at 11/05/2009 @ 11:16pm
there are a lot of investigators inside and outside of the govt asking that same question tonite. Posted by antisocialist at 11/06/2009 @ 12:39am |
The short answer on this is that our volunteer military has been stretched to its limits by our ill-advised occupations of two countries. Recruiting took a nose dive and there is tremendous pressure on the evaluators not to drum people like this murderer out when they could be spelling someone who has already done two tours in Iraq instead.
Posted by snowball777 at 11/06/2009 @ 06:31am
No one seems to want to admit the truth that a number of Moslems in our armed forces are anti semitic, have lauded the suicide bombings in Israel and do not represent the best of America. The liberals would have you believe otherwise but a Moslem soldier murdered several GI's in Iraq two years ago as well. Better screening is needed to find out if we are allowing anti semites and trojan horses into our military.
For the record, since our 911 Islamist terrorists have conducted bombings that have claimed the lives of thousands of innocent people in Israel, Iraq, Saudia Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Tunisia, Lebanon, Indonesia, and Turkey (ALL Moslem countries) as well as in England, Spain, Fiji, The Phillipines, and other several other countries.
When are we going to get our heads out of the sand and admit that there is such a thing as Islamic terror? Of the twenty countries attacked since our 911 by these fundamentalists only five have relations with Israel so blaming Israel for this wave of international terrorism is groundless.
Posted by mjkoch at 11/06/2009 @ 07:09am
nichols - are you brain dead ? you can tell these devil worshippers that you understand as they are cutting your head off , but this old dog is going down fighting. They are an evil repressive cult that is responsible for violence around the world. Today on BBC /NPR a story of murder, rape & mayhem in Thailand against peaceful Budhist people. Your head is either up your ass or in the sand
Posted by jpduke at 11/06/2009 @ 07:19am
If we're going to blame all Muslim-Americans for what happened at Ft. Hood...
then I guess we better blame all "pro-lifers" for Scott Roeder and Eric Rudolph, right?
Fair's fair.
Posted by Mask at 11/06/2009 @ 07:22am
did the man's religion really have anything to do with his deed? Perhaps it has more to do with his having snapped at the thought of being sent to Iraq.
Posted by eshatter at 11/05/2009 @ 10:15pm
I don't know. Do you suppose the fact witnesses heard him shout "Allahu Akbar" as he opened fire suggest this was religiously motivated?
As far as this crime giving rise to "Islamophobia", I suppose it is possible. I remember after the Oklahoma City bombing the same thing pretty much happened with white anti-government types.
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 07:40am
did the man's religion really have anything to do with his deed? Perhaps it has more to do with his having snapped at the thought of being sent to Iraq.
Posted by eshatter at 11/05/2009 @ 10:15pm
I don't know. Do you suppose the fact witnesses heard him shout "Allahu Akbar" as he opened fire suggest this was religiously motivated?
As far as this crime giving rise to "Islamophobia", I suppose it is possible. I remember after the Oklahoma City bombing the same thing pretty much happened with white anti-government types.
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 07:40am
Well this is obviously a result of Obama's actions (or inaction) as commander in chief! I just want to continue the trend of blaming Presidents for every bad thing that happens in this country. We all need someone to blame.
Posted by abell12ct at 11/06/2009 @ 07:40am
Posted by abell12ct at 11/06/2009 @ 07:40am
That's not all. I want to know what Obama DID the instant he was told about this.
Did he just calmly sit there, waiting for further information and details to develop?
If so, wrong answer man. Waaayyy, wrong answer.
Or did he demand Air Force One's engines to be started and the plane waiting for him on the tarmac after he went to the nearest Secret Service weapons locker for small arms and body armor?
In light of the criticism heaped on Bush on 9/11 because he did wait for further information, Obama would be wise to take immediate, if ridiculous and unproductive, action at all times.
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 07:54am
Posted by abell12ct at 11/06/2009 @ 07:40am
That's not all. I want to know what Obama DID the instant he was told about this.
Did he just calmly sit there, waiting for further information and details to develop?
If so, wrong answer man. Waaayyy, wrong answer.
Or did he demand Air Force One's engines to be started and the plane waiting for him on the tarmac after he went to the nearest Secret Service weapons locker for small arms and body armor?
In light of the criticism heaped on Bush on 9/11 because he did wait for further information, Obama would be wise to take immediate, if ridiculous and unproductive, action at all times.
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 07:54am
citizencarrier, bush was a coward, Obama actually feels something when one of our own is fallen, and shows it.
Posted by Denise29 at 10/31/2009 @ 7:49pm
That's an observation by Denise29 a few days ago in a discussion about Obama's photo-op at Dover AFB.
Here's an example of Obama's compassion and sensitivity, brought to us by Chicago's NBC affiliate:
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-President.html
From the story:
"The situation called for not only his trademark eloquence, but also grace and perspective.
But instead of a somber chief executive offering reassuring words and expressions of sympathy and compassion, viewers saw a wildly disconnected and, inappropriately light president making introductory remarks...
Indeed, an argument could be made that Obama should have canceled the Indian event, out of respect for people having been murdered at an Army post a few hours before. That would have prevented any sort of jarring emotional switch at the event.
Did the president's team not realize what sort of image they were presenting to the country at this moment? The disconnect between what Americans at home knew had been going on -- and the initial words coming out of their president's mouth was jolting, if not disturbing...
If the president's communications apparatus can't inform -- and protect -- their boss during tense moments when the country needs to see a focused commander-in-chief and a compassionate head of state, it has disastrous consequences for that president's party and supporters."
Denise29, if you're reading this it appears that our Commander-in-Chief felt so much about the mass murder of some of his soldiers that he decided to continue on with his speech in business as usual mode.
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 08:26am
citizencarrier, bush was a coward, Obama actually feels something when one of our own is fallen, and shows it.
Posted by Denise29 at 10/31/2009 @ 7:49pm
That's an observation by Denise29 a few days ago in a discussion about Obama's photo-op at Dover AFB.
Here's an example of Obama's compassion and sensitivity, brought to us by Chicago's NBC affiliate:
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-President.html
From the story:
"The situation called for not only his trademark eloquence, but also grace and perspective.
But instead of a somber chief executive offering reassuring words and expressions of sympathy and compassion, viewers saw a wildly disconnected and, inappropriately light president making introductory remarks...
Indeed, an argument could be made that Obama should have canceled the Indian event, out of respect for people having been murdered at an Army post a few hours before. That would have prevented any sort of jarring emotional switch at the event.
Did the president's team not realize what sort of image they were presenting to the country at this moment? The disconnect between what Americans at home knew had been going on -- and the initial words coming out of their president's mouth was jolting, if not disturbing...
If the president's communications apparatus can't inform -- and protect -- their boss during tense moments when the country needs to see a focused commander-in-chief and a compassionate head of state, it has disastrous consequences for that president's party and supporters."
Denise29, if you're reading this it appears that our Commander-in-Chief felt so much about the mass murder of some of his soldiers that he decided to continue on with his speech in business as usual mode.
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 08:26am
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-President.html
Posted by Citizen_Carrier
That was posted by Obama's news organization .. uh.. I mean NBC? Are they no longer an affiliate? Is Obama's media wing out of control. Somebody get the CEO of GE on the phone and have him find out what is going on in his White House!
Posted by abell12ct at 11/06/2009 @ 08:36am
It's very simple, really. Either you have the rule of law or you have the rule of the jungle.
America under both Bush and Obama has plainly chosen the rule of the jungle. 22 CIA vermin are convicted in Italy--Obama decried the verdict and refuses to extradite them.
The photos of Abu ghraib and other abominations carried out by are military darlings must not be seen by the pubic.
A British high court rules that one of its citizens tortured by the CIA has the right to have the details of his ordeal made public and the redacted portions of the CIA report describing his torture, revealed. Obama expresses dismay and vows to appeal.
Innocent people being tortured in America's dungeons in Afghanistan were denied habeus corpus rights by Bush--now Obama has extended that ruling despite its flagrant illegality.
America launches a war of aggression in Iraq based exclusively on lies which tears the country to pieces and leaves over a million dead with no end in sight and there is no punishment of any kind--either for the troops or anyone else up the chain of command.
The Palestinians are being brutalized every day but the US denounces Goldstone's report concerning the filth of Israel and their crimes and the US House of Representatives votes overwhelmingly to condemn Goldstone and bar any further consideration of his report.
Under such conditions, where Moslem people are being butchered in huge numbers with absolutely NO recourse to legal justice, they have a perfect right to attack the United States and Israel--military bases, civilian infrastructure, you name it.
Posted by rykart at 11/06/2009 @ 08:40am
Posted by jpduke at 11/06/2009 @ 07:19am
Any relation to David Duke?
Posted by rykart at 11/06/2009 @ 08:46am
No one seems to want to admit the truth that a number of Moslems in our armed forces are anti semitic, have lauded the suicide bombings in Israel and do not represent the best of America. The liberals would have you believe otherwise but a Moslem soldier murdered several GI's in Iraq two years ago as well. Better screening is needed to find out if we are allowing anti semites and trojan horses into our military.
For the record, since our 911 Islamist terrorists have conducted bombings that have claimed the lives of thousands of innocent people in Israel, Iraq, Saudia Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Tunisia, Lebanon, Indonesia, and Turkey (ALL Moslem countries) as well as in England, Spain, Fiji, The Phillipines, and other several other countries.
When are we going to get our heads out of the sand and admit that there is such a thing as Islamic terror? Of the twenty countries attacked since our 911 by these fundamentalists only five have relations with Israel so blaming Israel for this wave of international terrorism is groundless. These people do not like Christians, Jews, or America and it's time we stop pretending otherwise.
Posted by mjkoch at 11/06/2009 @ 08:51am
These people do not like Christians, Jews, or America and it's time we stop pretending otherwise. Posted by mjkoch at 11/06/2009 @ 08:51am | ignore this person | warn this person
When Islamic terrorists massacre 3-4 million people with napalm, high explosives and cancer-causing chemical agents, leaving a vast terrain devastated for generations to come as the US did in Indochina, MAYBE you'll have something resembling a point.
Posted by rykart at 11/06/2009 @ 08:56am
You know, if muslims around the world would get as upset at their own governments for murdering and torturing them the way they do when "America" does it, I'm thinking their lives would change for the better globally.
I suspect that Hasan's anger at muslim on muslim atrocities (the bulk of which account for deaths in Iraq), is absent and will forever be absent.
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 09:00am
You know, if muslims around the world would get as upset at their own governments for murdering and torturing them the way they do when "America" does it, I'm thinking their lives would change for the better globally.
I suspect that Hasan's anger at muslim on muslim atrocities (the bulk of which account for deaths in Iraq), is absent and will forever be absent.
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 09:00am
The facts are coming out about this jihadist as his military jacket has already been released.Posted by antisocialist at 11/05/2009 @ 10:46pm
Jihadist? This was an American Soldier and a natural born citizen. Just like Timothy McVeigh who blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma and killed 168 people in 1995. McVeigh was a Catholic.
Did anyone mention the fact that McVeigh was a Christian after he commited his crime? McVeigh claimed to be a victim of bullying at school. This new sick miscreant has claimed to being bullied in the military.
So you want to make this event a matter of Holy War? If so why wasn't McVeigh accused of mounting a Catholic Holy War against America?
This man who shot and killed the soldiers at Fort Hood is a murderer. Nothing more and nothing less.
But religious wingnuts like you would like nothing better than to overlay your own agenda on this terrible tragedy for your own evil purposes. That makes you a disgusting abomination and a hate mongering demon.
Shame on you..
Posted by chaoszen at 11/06/2009 @ 09:04am
Hardly surprising. You had a president who takes about a "crusade", you kill hundreds of thousands of Muslims on some idiot search for weapons of mass destruction just because 20 Saudi's armed with box cutters took on the US air force and won. Everybody hates you. Get used to it.
Posted by redleb at 11/06/2009 @ 09:14am
Posted by mjkoch at 11/06/2009 @ 08:51am
Don't mind if we screen for "Tim McVeighs" too, do you?
Posted by Mask at 11/06/2009 @ 09:34am
But religious wingnuts like you would like nothing better than to overlay your own agenda on this terrible tragedy for your own evil purposes. That makes you a disgusting abomination and a hate mongering demon.
Shame on you..
Posted by chaoszen at 11/06/2009 @ 09:04am
So, Hasan having been heard to shout "Allahu Akbar" as he opened fire by witnesses pretty much dismisses the thought from your mind that this is a religously motivated event?
Tell me, chaoszen, what is your personal position on federal hate crimes legislation?
Pro or con?
Personally, I'm against it. If you happen to be for it, then you are tacitly acknowledging that punishment for crimes should be greater if we can determine that they were motivated by non-politically correct modes of thought.
Right?
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 09:39am
But religious wingnuts like you would like nothing better than to overlay your own agenda on this terrible tragedy for your own evil purposes. That makes you a disgusting abomination and a hate mongering demon.
Shame on you..
Posted by chaoszen at 11/06/2009 @ 09:04am
So, Hasan having been heard to shout "Allahu Akbar" as he opened fire by witnesses pretty much dismisses the thought from your mind that this is a religously motivated event?
Tell me, chaoszen, what is your personal position on federal hate crimes legislation?
Pro or con?
Personally, I'm against it. If you happen to be for it, then you are tacitly acknowledging that punishment for crimes should be greater if we can determine that they were motivated by non-politically correct modes of thought.
Right?
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 09:39am
Posted by suha.cassim at 11/06/2009 @ 05:52am
Didn't you hear, we are in Irag becomes we want to liberate Muslims. That is how much we love them.
Posted by mjkoch at 11/06/2009 @ 07:09am
And I suppose there are no anti-Semitic Christians in our armed forces?
It may well turn out that it was some type of individual terrorist attack but we need to be careful to not jump to conclusions based on a name and rumors.
Posted by !immutable at 11/06/2009 @ 09:51am
Correction, "because" not "becomes".
Posted by !immutable at 11/06/2009 @ 09:52am
It amazes me that the leftists who have their heads in the sand about Islamic terror bring up the fact that Timothy McVeigh was a Christian or what America did thirty years ago in Vietnam.
Here are some facts: Since our horrible 911 Islamic terrorists have murdered thousands of innocent, men, women and children on busses, trains, supermarkets, restaurants, synagogues and churches, and office buildings in more than twenty countries worldwide of which half of them are Moslem countries. This is not the fault of Israel or America which obviously upsets you Blame America First folks.
There ARE people who have an eight century view of Islam and believe in murdering innocent people. There is no comparison to any other conflict or religion in the world today. Christians and Jews are not targeting innocent men, women, and children around the world. Please spare the liberal pablum about what America has done in Iraq. America ended the famine in Moslem Somalia, ended the genocide by the Serbs against Moslems in Kosovo, kicked the invading Iraqi's out of Moslem Kuwait, and freed fifty million Moslems from oppressive, brutal dictatorships in Iraq and Afghanistan. We should never have gone to war with Iraq but the rest of the world was more interested in Saddam's oil and his money from oil and cared little about his torture and murders of his own people.
Right before Daniel Pearl, the American journalist, was beheaded in Pakistan his murderers made him say "I am an American and I am a Jew." Not one Moslem group in America condemned this horrific act nor do they condemn the slaughter of innocents in attacks against Israel by suicide bombers nor do they condemn the Moslem against Moslem attrocities being committed in Iraq. Christians and Jews don't behave this way.
Posted by mjkoch at 11/06/2009 @ 09:57am
The US soldiers are frustated by the illegal and brutal wars. This happened because of that.And this won't be the last.
Posted by Dastu11 at 11/06/2009 @ 10:01am
Posted by mjkoch at 11/06/2009 @ 07:09am
mjkoch,
Reading your post gives strong impression that you are a Zionist in celebratory mood; your inner glee seems to be elevated after what happened at Ft. Hood. You seem to mirror the view of your mentor, Bibi Netanyahu's, when he stated that 9/11 was good for Israel. Like you, Netanyahu could not mask his pleasure at what happened on 9/11, he viewed it as PR gain for Israel. So you are out for blood mjkoch; let's begin to hang them Muslims in public squares? Is that what your looking for mjkoch?
Now remember, it wasn't a distant memory when the Jews were blamed for all the ill of the world and there was a mass anti Jewish hysteria. Maybe your dad or uncle can tell you about it. By the way, any relation to the Zionist Mayor Ed Koch?
Posted by CripThink at 11/06/2009 @ 10:21am
What do we know about Hasan?
Not a heck of a lot. If the reports are accurate, we was a devoted family member and a guy with no history of violence. He was fervently opposed to America's massacre jamborees in Afghanistan and Iraq. He was taunted by fellow soldiers for being a Moslem. He was apparently conscientious about his job.
What was his job?
His JOB was ministering to the men and women in the US armed forced who had their minds blown out as a result of the horrors they witnessed (or participated in) in Iraq and Afghanistan. Then he was told he would be the next one to live out these stories from hell---he'd be the next one looking at children blown to pieces with smart bombs and women raped by his fellow servicemen. HE would be the one driving around in his humvee taking pot shots at children as the military finishes destroying Iraq (or Afghanistan..same diff). instead, he answered America's military insanity with his own brand of insanity. Basiaclly, he's one of the good guys.
And let's be honest for a half second. If Hasan had followed his orders and deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, he could kill 12 people or 20 people or 200 people (never mind if they were soldiers or civilians) and the only thing he'd receive is a medal for valor.
As long as this grotesque state of affairs exists, as long as Moslems and other oppressed people can be murdered en masse with no legal repercussions, the US (and Israel) will be targets of attack. I see no reason why they SHOULDN'T be targets of attack.
Posted by rykart at 11/06/2009 @ 10:32am
THE WARMONGER BUSH CAUSED OVER 1.3 MILLION DEATHS OF IRAQIS.
Posted by Dastu11 at 11/06/2009 @ 10:34am
THE WARMONGER BUSH CAUSED OVER 1.3 MILLION DEATHS OF IRAQIS. Posted by Dastu11 at 11/06/2009 @ 10:34am | ignore this person | warn this person
Obama is trying to catch up. In a decent world, both of them would be tortured and executed on pay-per-view TV, with the proceeds doled out to America's victims in Indochina, Central America and the Mid East.
Posted by rykart at 11/06/2009 @ 10:38am
The UK Guardian reported that last year there were over 128 confirmed suicides among U.S. veterans who had returned from the war(s). And, the NY Times reported in 2007 that in the past few years there were 122 confirmed homicides (sometimes with multiple victims) committed by veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Most of those homicides happened on U.S. bases and the victims were other servicemen and women or family members.
Except for the magnitude of this tragedy, why was this case any different? Were the lives of those other victims less worthy of our nations attention? Were the crimes of those servicemen any less horrific and unfathomable? Why did we not postulate about their motives?
Let us not forget, in our quick calculus of the situation, that Major Hasan had served his country for 8 years, helping veterans who had returned from war, scarred and wounded. His crime is inexcusable, senseless. But, who on this site can truly pretend that they understand his motive any more than the motives of the other 122+ veterans who were distraught about their service, traumatized by the ongoing war(s), and committed murder?
We owe our veterans more -- including the families of those who were killed yesterday. Our collected xenophobia and arrogance is stunning.
Posted by university at 11/06/2009 @ 10:58am
But, who on this site can truly pretend that they understand his motive..
Posted by university at 11/06/2009 @ 10:58am
Posted by chaoszen at 11/06/2009 @ 09:04am
We know his motives.
He is on record as calling for American Muslims to be suicide bombers in Times Square.
Retired Col. Terry Lee, who said he worked with Hasan at Fort Hood, says that Hasan stated at a medical conference that Muslims should stand up and "fight against the aggressors."
Hasan, according to Lee, expressed happiness about the shooting of two soldiers by a Muslim convert outside an Arkansas recruiting center in June
The video at a convenience store yesterday showing Hasan in Muslim clothing and head covering and the testimony of the merchant and neighbors that Hasan was a devout Muslim. YET, in his paperwork this year for promotion to Major, he put his religion as NO PREFERENCE.
We know from witnesses yesterday, that Hasan shouted Allah Ahkbar as he began firing.
He had no training in weapons yet was able to get off at least 50-60 rounds (which means he changed clips) from the two weapons he purchased off base.
We know that he had poor reviews while serving at Walter Reed, calling his work incompetent, bordering on malpractice.
And we will learn much more about this jihadist who will face true justice, unlike what he imposed on those brave soldiers yesterday.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/06/2009 @ 11:30am
And we will learn much more about this jihadist who will face true justice posted by antisocialist at 11/06/2009 @ 11:30am
This is no time for comedy.
Posted by rykart at 11/06/2009 @ 11:36am
Good. Eleven less war criminals to deploy. The US public needs to experience the terror they have blindly supported in the region both physically and psychically in order to halt eventual national failure. Obama has completely failed and the results of last years elections have been neutered back into state policy domination. The right of course has to scramble for racist rationalizations as the psychosis they have perpetrated on US citizens has now begun to blowback. This is only the beginning.
Posted by jobbo at 11/06/2009 @ 11:56am
And we will learn much more about this jihadist who will face true justice, unlike what he imposed on those brave soldiers yesterday.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/06/2009 @ 11:30am
Anti Social,
Your threads are so pregnant with hate and bigotry; they beg the question of when you are going to start shooting.
Never heard your comment about former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld placing Bible verses on the top of the "Worldwide Intelligence Update" presented to President George W. Bush.
Would that make Bush and Rumsfeld more or less fanatics than Maj. Hasan?
BTW, never heard your response to my Question: Should we label all Jews as terrorists because Israel attacked our Navy Ship, the USS Liberty? As you well know, 34 of our sailors were murdered and 171 wounded by the Israelis.
Posted by CripThink at 11/06/2009 @ 11:56am
I wouldn't presume that all Muslims are evil just because of this attack. Thats crowd thinking. Although what is equally predictable, to use JOHN NICHOLS phrase, is that bleeding hearts believe there is NO connection. In this NICHOLS is as simple minded as the big fat dude w/ the tatoos who hates anyone wearing a jelaba.
Gotta wonder though: Is this really just another coincidence that will make people unjustly stereotype others, or are we all just too fucking stupid to see something staring us right in the face. Just don't know.
ct
Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 11/06/2009 @ 12:06pm
I mourn the dead at Ft. Hood (a place I used to visit as a kid, since I lived in Austin). I mourn for the wounded and pray for their recovery. My heart is with the families of the dead and wounded, including the Major's family.
As time moves on, the Major's motives will become clear; already he was reported dead, but is evidently alive and therefore questions will be put to him (hopefully without torture).
Except among right wing bloggers and the typical Faux News trash, the "explosion" that Nichols talks about hasn't appeared and that's because most Americans are thoughtful people, not knee jerk reactionistas. Since 9/11, there have been and will continue to be racists and ideologues that will hate Muslim people forever. They want a holy war with Islam as much as the radical Islamists do. Bush was the first to use the word "Crusade."
It is for those of us in the middle, who understand that this may or may not have been a religious-motivated killing spree, to find acceptance and forgiveness in our hearts. How is it any different from an abortion clinic bomber using the Bible as his excuse for killing and maiming people?
A horrible tragedy occurred yesterday and whether or not it was fueled by religion, Islamic or otherwise, we must find a way to move beyond violence as an answer to problems. I believe this is a standard teaching of most major world religions. Too bad that the people who profess to them (on ALL sides) don't listen to the teachings of their prophets a little more carefully.
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/06/2009 @ 12:06pm
Retired Col. Terry Lee, who said he worked with Hasan at Fort Hood, says that Hasan stated at a medical conference that Muslims should stand up and "fight against the aggressors."
Posted by antisocialist at 11/06/2009 @ 11:30am
Amazing.
But my initial question stands.
Why, with a statement like the one above alleging that an officer had knowledge of this persons anti-american attitude, was this person still in the military?
He seems to have expressed these attitudes on more than one occasion. Why didn't his fellow soldiers or associates raise a red flag about his attitude? Aren't they somewhat complicit in this for being completely complacent, especially after YEARS of extremist rhetoric and attacks?
I'm sorry to say this, but everyone who has been on record saying that they were witness to him saying outrageous things that were 'jihadist' in nature... shares some of the blame for this tragedy.
So much for vigilance. We are fighting two wars overseas against this kind of hate. Supposedly. Shouldn't we be operating at a much higher level over here? I'm not talking unwarranted prejudice against all muslims... this guy was actually overheard saying things that pointed to his extremism. All someone had to do was report him to their superior or 'homeland security', obviously a misnomer after all this time.
Posted by ficheye at 11/06/2009 @ 12:06pm
Good. Eleven less war criminals to deploy. The US public needs to experience the terror they have blindly supported in the region both physically and psychically in order to halt eventual national failure. Obama has completely failed and the results of last years elections have been neutered back into state policy domination. The right of course has to scramble for racist rationalizations as the psychosis they have perpetrated on US citizens has now begun to blowback. This is only the beginning.
Posted by jobbo at 11/06/2009 @ 11:56am
Since you believe our soldiers are all war criminals, we certainly can also expect that you will be leaving the US rather than pay the wages of "war criminals"?
you're a sick twisted monster and do not deserve even the freedom to utter such hate. I may be old and disabled, but I would relish a chance to meet you face to face and personally respond for those brave soldiers who died.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/06/2009 @ 12:07pm
If America wants to truly understand how deranged, sick and in full-out denial the left is they need not look any further than this website! I'm thoroughly disgusted!
Posted by barry25 at 11/06/2009 @ 12:14pm
you're a sick twisted monster and do not deserve even the freedom to utter such hate. I may be old and disabled, but I would relish a chance to meet you face to face and personally respond for those brave soldiers who died. Posted by antisocialist at 11/06/2009 @ 12:07pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Absurd. The world is repulsed by the horror and devastation created by the military. Some of these kids are just mixed up and brain washed and basically clueless. Others are hardened criminals and career sadists--the military pulls them out of rightwing hate groups, the Klan, prison gangs, etc because they make more remorseless murderers. The innocent people we should be considering are the targets of US viciousness who, unlike these soldiers, had no choice whatsoever and were forced into war and suffering by US decree.
Posted by rykart at 11/06/2009 @ 12:15pm
Why, with a statement like the one above alleging that an officer had knowledge of this persons anti-american attitude, was this person still in the military?
Posted by ficheye at 11/06/2009 @ 12:06pm
Interestingly, ficheye, this was the crux of the question being asked by McCarthy in the "McCarthy Hearings".
Only it was communists, not muslims, he was asking about. Why would we allow people who actively or passively work for America's detriment in positions of power, influence, or access to sensitive information in our government.
And for asking that simple question, the left has forever branded him the poster child for right wing fascism.
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 12:18pm
Why, with a statement like the one above alleging that an officer had knowledge of this persons anti-american attitude, was this person still in the military?
Posted by ficheye at 11/06/2009 @ 12:06pm
Interestingly, ficheye, this was the crux of the question being asked by McCarthy in the "McCarthy Hearings".
Only it was communists, not muslims, he was asking about. Why would we allow people who actively or passively work for America's detriment in positions of power, influence, or access to sensitive information in our government.
And for asking that simple question, the left has forever branded him the poster child for right wing fascism.
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 12:18pm
A million people in Iraq are dead because of the United States military.
Not 12.
A million.
Posted by rykart at 11/06/2009 @ 12:20pm
Jobbo seems like a tough guy! Yo Jobbo, why don't you go spew that shit your talkin' at a tea party, instead of doing it behind the protection of your computer ? Cause you ain't got the guts, and if you did, it'd fun to watch. Let the victims of terrorism be the liberals who foster, empower,defend and enable it!
Posted by barry25 at 11/06/2009 @ 12:20pm
He seems to have expressed these attitudes on more than one occasion. Why didn't his fellow soldiers or associates raise a red flag about his attitude? Aren't they somewhat complicit in this for being completely complacent, especially after YEARS of extremist rhetoric and attacks?
I'm sorry to say this, but everyone who has been on record saying that they were witness to him saying outrageous things that were 'jihadist' in nature... shares some of the blame for this tragedy.
So much for vigilance. We are fighting two wars overseas against this kind of hate. Supposedly. Shouldn't we be operating at a much higher level over here? I'm not talking unwarranted prejudice against all muslims... this guy was actually overheard saying things that pointed to his extremism. All someone had to do was report him to their superior or 'homeland security', obviously a misnomer after all this time.
Posted by ficheye at 11/06/2009 @ 12:06pm
you are correct on their complicity. They actually were derelict in their duty which requires them to immediately report comments like that. I listened to one officer last night state that Col Lee and others need to get legal representation because they will be facing charges.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/06/2009 @ 12:21pm
Posted by jobbo at 11/06/2009 @ 11:56am
Jobbo, I've been to Iraq once in 2006 and again to Kuwait last year.
Didn't have any war criminals in my platoon. Or in my Brigade, for that matter. We tended towards being generous to the Iraqis we encountered, especially the children. And we did everything we could to support the new Iraqi government. The elected one that doesn't have Saddam's torture chambers and political prisons.
The "murder" in Iraq is muslim on muslim. We didn't do that. Somebody once accused me of "turning Iraq into a terrorist playground". My response was that it is impossible for the Army to turn Iraq into a terrorist playground. Only the terrorists can decide to make that happen.
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 12:25pm
Posted by jobbo at 11/06/2009 @ 11:56am
Jobbo, I've been to Iraq once in 2006 and again to Kuwait last year.
Didn't have any war criminals in my platoon. Or in my Brigade, for that matter. We tended towards being generous to the Iraqis we encountered, especially the children. And we did everything we could to support the new Iraqi government. The elected one that doesn't have Saddam's torture chambers and political prisons.
The "murder" in Iraq is muslim on muslim. We didn't do that. Somebody once accused me of "turning Iraq into a terrorist playground". My response was that it is impossible for the Army to turn Iraq into a terrorist playground. Only the terrorists can decide to make that happen.
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 12:25pm
Why, with a statement like the one above alleging that an officer had knowledge of this persons anti-american attitude, was this person still in the military? Posted by ficheye at 11/06/2009 @ 12:06pm
You mistake anti-militarism with anti-Americanism.
Similar to the way people confuse anti-Zionism with anti-Jewishness.
Jews of character are repulsed by Israel just as Americans of character are repulsed by the US military and its sickening crimes. We realize that not only did the military utterly fail to protect Americans from 9/11--the US military CAUSED 9/11 by brutalizing, invading and murdering people in foreign lands until they got good and sick of it and exacted revenge.
Posted by rykart at 11/06/2009 @ 12:29pm
He also was an American. And in possession of firearms. I suppose, therefore, that all Americans and all those who possess firearms should be suspect, just like all Muslims. Right? Right?
Posted by randerson550 at 11/06/2009 @ 12:35pm
This guy was building a level of hate and someone should have done something sooner so that those dead soldiers would still be alive tonite.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/06/2009 @ 12:45am
But Larry, isn't it always god's decision when a person has finished his or her time on earth?
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/06/2009 @ 12:35pm
The "murder" in Iraq is muslim on muslim. We didn't do that. Somebody once accused me of "turning Iraq into a terrorist playground". My response was that it is impossible for the Army to turn Iraq into a terrorist playground. Only the terrorists can decide to make that happen. Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 12:25pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Rubbish. The United States absolutely did create the sectarian violence and encouraged the sectarian violence because a united Iraq would have kicked the US Nazis out of their country. The US destroyed the security conditions in Iraq, completely destroyed the infrastructure and allowed chaos to consume the country at spectacular loss of life.
100% of the death and destruction in Iraq is the fault of the United States.
Not 90%.
100%
Posted by rykart at 11/06/2009 @ 12:37pm
"We are fighting two wars overseas against this kind of hate. "
No, the war in Iraq had nothing to do with that kind of hate. Islamist militancy had a limited foothold in the Kurdish area until we opened it up for it.
It seems that this is more "going postal" than an act of terror. He had been subject to harassment including constant references to him as a "camel jockey" going back to 9/11. None of which exempts him from the full severity of the law but it hardly justifies special screening for Muslims.
"Why, with a statement like the one above alleging that an officer had knowledge of this persons anti-american attitude, was this person still in the military? "
Actually, he tried to get out of the military. He had paid back his military student loans and hired an attorney.
"Interestingly, ficheye, this was the crux of the question being asked by McCarthy in the "McCarthy Hearings". "
McCarthy did more than ask questions. He demagogued the issue for political advantage with a non-existent "list" of Communists.
Posted by brunowe at 11/06/2009 @ 12:38pm
Rubbish. The United States absolutely did create the sectarian violence and encouraged the sectarian violence because a united Iraq would have kicked the US Nazis out of their country. The US destroyed the security conditions in Iraq, completely destroyed the infrastructure and allowed chaos to consume the country at spectacular loss of life.
Posted by rykart at 11/06/2009 @ 12:37pm
How exactly did we convince Shia and Sunni to start blowing each other up in job lots? I was there, I don't recall getting that briefing.
And when you talk about the U.S. "destroying security conditions" that kept Iraq 'stable", what you mean is we got rid of the Bath Party, which was itself a nationalist/socialist fascist totalitarian state.
Yes, we did that. Clearly, you are more comfortable and agreeable to Iraqis in Saddam's employ doing all the murder (seen those mass graves?) or sending Iraqis out to die in wars of conquest against their neighbors. There isn't a family over there who didn't have a member tortured or murdered by Saddam.
Yes, we did that. We got rid of the terror state that ruled with an iron fist with his two sick sons kidnapping people and killing them.
That's the "infrastructure" that was keeping them all in line you are talking about. Apparently, a state of affairs you would've been happy to allow continue in perpetuity, so long as the trains ran on time and the Sunni overlords kept the Shia in line.
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 12:48pm
Rubbish. The United States absolutely did create the sectarian violence and encouraged the sectarian violence because a united Iraq would have kicked the US Nazis out of their country. The US destroyed the security conditions in Iraq, completely destroyed the infrastructure and allowed chaos to consume the country at spectacular loss of life.
Posted by rykart at 11/06/2009 @ 12:37pm
How exactly did we convince Shia and Sunni to start blowing each other up in job lots? I was there, I don't recall getting that briefing.
And when you talk about the U.S. "destroying security conditions" that kept Iraq 'stable", what you mean is we got rid of the Bath Party, which was itself a nationalist/socialist fascist totalitarian state.
Yes, we did that. Clearly, you are more comfortable and agreeable to Iraqis in Saddam's employ doing all the murder (seen those mass graves?) or sending Iraqis out to die in wars of conquest against their neighbors. There isn't a family over there who didn't have a member tortured or murdered by Saddam.
Yes, we did that. We got rid of the terror state that ruled with an iron fist with his two sick sons kidnapping people and killing them.
That's the "infrastructure" that was keeping them all in line you are talking about. Apparently, a state of affairs you would've been happy to allow continue in perpetuity, so long as the trains ran on time and the Sunni overlords kept the Shia in line.
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 12:48pm
Bulletin to all bigots out there!
It is reported that another guy, Jason Rodriguez, has just gone on shooting spree in Florida.
Is it time to go hang all Catholic Mexicans too?
Posted by CripThink at 11/06/2009 @ 12:55pm
Only it was communists, not muslims, he was asking about. Why would we allow people who actively or passively work for America's detriment in positions of power, influence, or access to sensitive information in our government.
And for asking that simple question, the left has forever branded him the poster child for right wing fascism.
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 12:18pm
You are an idiot.
Communism was a political movement and as such, is protected against crap like what McCarthy did. Any Communist today is protected by the Constitution, just like the neo-nazi hate groups are protected (as much as I despise them).
McCarthy was a blowhard looking for headlines; and he got them. However, a witchhunt is NEVER the right way to go about things in America; stirring up fear and hatred has, as of late, become the right wing's modus operandi, because fear and hate (as the fascists so quickly learned in WWII) is easily controllable and can be directed at any "group" one wishes to define (be it gays, Muslims, Jews, anti-Christians, atheists, blacks, immigrants [insert minority group of your choice here]).
To compare the tragedy of what happened yesterday to McCarthy's witchhunt for Communists is pathetic and despicable and truly shows how little you care for the soldiers who dies yesterday. They offer their lives for us everyday. What did McCarthy offer? Nothing but his own self aggrandizement.
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/06/2009 @ 12:59pm
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 12:48pm | ignore this person | warn this person
We've heard this before but you omit essential facts.
You may not have "gotten the memo" that it was official US policy to fuel the sectarian violence, but that is only because you were not close enough to the architects of this blood-spattered madness.
http://tiny.cc/IIGDe
http://tiny.cc/YH5l7
You omit the fact that a smiling Rumsfeld posed with Saddam, following longstanding US support of his most egregious crimes. Suddenly, we're disturbed about human rights violations in iraq? C'mon.
You also admit the grim aftermath of this insanity---the hundreds and hundreds of people found in the streets with their hands bound and their skulls perforated with electric drills, not by Saddam's thugs but by the NEW thugs in Malaki's interior ministry. This is the wonderful freedom we have brought the Iraqis at a cost of over a million lives. Not to mention the entire intellectual class has permanently fled the country, in the largest refugee crisis on earth.
Still, people like you continue to exhibit pride at their handiwork
That's why the US military is reviled.
Not too tough to fathom.
Posted by rykart at 11/06/2009 @ 1:05pm
To compare the tragedy of what happened yesterday to McCarthy's witchhunt for Communists is pathetic and despicable and truly shows how little you care for the soldiers who dies yesterday. They offer their lives for us everyday. What did McCarthy offer? Nothing but his own self aggrandizement.
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/06/2009 @ 12:59pm
Had this happened last December, I would likely have been one of those soldiers in that processing center. I demobilized through Fort Hood.
And I was not comparing the shooting to McCarthy's "witch hunt". The two cannot be compared.
One was an act of mass murder.
McCarthy, again, was asking if it was wise to have people inimical to America and it's ideals working in our military, in our state department code rooms, etc.
Ficheye suggested that the Army had failed because it didn't KICK out a guy who had on occassion made anti-American statements and seemingly cheered the deaths of his fellow soldiers.
I was merely pointing out to Ficheye that what he was suggesting had been tried before. That's all.
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 1:18pm
To compare the tragedy of what happened yesterday to McCarthy's witchhunt for Communists is pathetic and despicable and truly shows how little you care for the soldiers who dies yesterday. They offer their lives for us everyday. What did McCarthy offer? Nothing but his own self aggrandizement.
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/06/2009 @ 12:59pm
Had this happened last December, I would likely have been one of those soldiers in that processing center. I demobilized through Fort Hood.
And I was not comparing the shooting to McCarthy's "witch hunt". The two cannot be compared.
One was an act of mass murder.
McCarthy, again, was asking if it was wise to have people inimical to America and it's ideals working in our military, in our state department code rooms, etc.
Ficheye suggested that the Army had failed because it didn't KICK out a guy who had on occassion made anti-American statements and seemingly cheered the deaths of his fellow soldiers.
I was merely pointing out to Ficheye that what he was suggesting had been tried before. That's all.
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 1:18pm
And as for sectarian violence in Iraq being an unknown thing in Saddam's era, yes, you can make that point.
You could also make that same case for the lack of violence between ethnic groups in the former Yugoslavia.
In both cases, what happened when you removed the Big Brother that everyone was more terrified of?
Shia in Iraq were treated like dirt. Having seen the slum that is Sadr City, compared to the more affluent Sunni neighborhoods, it was clear to me who got the favorable treatment in Saddam's Iraq.
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 1:21pm
And as for sectarian violence in Iraq being an unknown thing in Saddam's era, yes, you can make that point.
You could also make that same case for the lack of violence between ethnic groups in the former Yugoslavia.
In both cases, what happened when you removed the Big Brother that everyone was more terrified of?
Shia in Iraq were treated like dirt. Having seen the slum that is Sadr City, compared to the more affluent Sunni neighborhoods, it was clear to me who got the favorable treatment in Saddam's Iraq.
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 1:22pm
Hey Anti Social,
Come on; let's talk about the inherited evil in Catholicism. Shall we investigate the Catholic Church where Jason Rodriguez attended mass? How about a historic perspective about the Catholic Crusaders bla bla bla
Come on you bigot; I can see you recoiling in despair.
Posted by CripThink at 11/06/2009 @ 1:23pm
McCarthy, again, was asking if it was wise to have people inimical to America and it's ideals working in our military, in our state department code rooms, etc.
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 1:18pm
Please tell me how communism is "inimical" to America's ideals, in which all men are created equal.
Now, I am not a communist (regardless of what others might say), but there is nothing in the Constitution that says our economic policies MUST be based on capitalism. So how is communism "inimical" to our ideals?
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/06/2009 @ 1:39pm
Read what happens to those who know too much.
Key Witness to WTC 7 Explosions Dead at 53
Emergency coordinator and 9/11 witness Barry Jennings has passed away with controversy about WTC7 still hot as the BBC hit piece and NIST report have been released to counter Jennings' exclusive testimony of explosions inside Building 7
http://www.infowars.com/key-witness-to-wtc-7-
explosions-on-911-dead-at-53/
Read the comments sections of Washington Post articles dealing with Bruce Ivins death. For once, most of the suspicious comments are not my own. Wait for "View All" to appear in the comments box and click.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
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Posted by MarkOller at 11/06/2009 @ 1:50pm
Jihadist? This was an American Soldier and a natural born citizen. Just like Timothy McVeigh who blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma and killed 168 people in 1995. McVeigh was a Catholic.
Did anyone mention the fact that McVeigh was a Christian after he commited his crime? McVeigh claimed to be a victim of bullying at school. This new sick miscreant has claimed to being bullied in the military.
So you want to make this event a matter of Holy War? If so why wasn't McVeigh accused of mounting a Catholic Holy War against America?
Posted by chaoszen at 11/06/2009 @ 09:04am
Timothy McVeigh was as much of a fall guy as Lee Harvey Oswald and Osama bin Laden.
For the fertilizer bomb to cause as much damage to the Alfred P. Murrah building from 20 or 30 feet was nearly as impossible as burning jet fuel destroying the Twin Towers. Even the live television broadcasts from Oklahoma City admitted that bombs were planted in the buildings. Watch
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITI
CS/OK/ok_city1.wmv
And download
http://www.wingtv.net/elohim.html
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/mcveigh2.htm
http://www.stopcovertwar.com/McVeigh.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/oklahoma_bo
mbing_index.html
Posted by MarkOller at 11/06/2009 @ 2:28pm
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/06/2009 @ 1:21pm | ignore this person | warn this person
No one disputed that Saddam was viscous. I don't think that's at all at issue. The important questions, it seems to me, are
a) did the United States overthrow Saddam because we couldn't countenance his human rights violations and
b) is the cure we've imposed worse than the disease.
The answer to a is quite obviously no. We support many large scale atrocities all over the world, we actively participate in atrocities and human rights crimes all over the world and for decades, we facilitated Saddam's worst crimes.
As to question b, I really don't see any way anyone in their right mind can make the case that Iraq is better off in the demolished and horrifying condition the United States has left it in and even if it WERE improved, rather than destroyed, that does nothing to justify unleashing a war that killed over a million people and forced over 4 million into what is shaping up to be permanent refugee status from their homeland.
Posted by rykart at 11/06/2009 @ 2:44pm
"the jihad apologists are not wasting time. The facts are coming out about this jihadist as his military jacket has already been released. He was a devout Muslim who posted on the internet and argued with others that jihadists were heroic "soldiers"
He advocated that American Muslims should wear sucide bomb jackets to Times Square to target Americans.
He was under investigation by the FBI for his remarks.
He was evaluated as incompetent, bordering on malpractice while at Walter Reed.
His handguns were not military issue and he used them with a skill not normally found by military or civilian psychiatrists. His murders were premeditated.
He spouted the usual muslim extremist rhetoric about the US imperialism and aggression.
All in all, this was a terrorist who committed a terrorist act and 12 Americans are dead, and 31 wounded because of this jihadist.
His will be a quick trial followed by a short period until his execution."
none of this has been verified. you may have heard it from some "official," but still, none of this has been verified.
Posted by darladoon at 11/06/2009 @ 2:45pm
once all the facts have been verified and corroborated, antisocialist may end up feeling pretty stupid for making such bold claims this early in the investigation.
Posted by darladoon at 11/06/2009 @ 2:48pm
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/06/2009 @ 1:39pm
The fact that you even ask the question is frightening. If I only go by the Communist Manifesto, then communism is against everything that the constitution and the American ideals represent. I will list some critical points and you tell me how they line up with our constitution and ideals
Communist Manifesto
<The immediate aim of the Communists is the same as that of all other proletarian parties: Formation of the proletariat into a class, overthrow of the bourgeois supremacy, conquest of political power by the proletariat.
In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.
From the moment when labor can no longer be converted into capital, money, or rent, into a social power capable of being monopolized, i.e., from the moment when individual property can no longer be transformed into bourgeois property, into capital, from that moment, you say, individuality vanishes.
You must, therefore, confess that by "individual" you mean no other person than the bourgeois, than the middle-class owner of property. This person must, indeed, be swept out of the way, and made impossible.
Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists. On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among proletarians, and in public prostitution.
The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital.
continued
Posted by antisocialist at 11/06/2009 @ 2:50pm
Actually, if the guy posting on the internet IS the same Hasan who killed the GIs, his statements do not support the idea that his motivations were religious but instead, undercut such assumptions.
In his posts, he likens the suicide bombers to the buddhist kamikaze pilots. The analogy is not perfect but probably pretty good. The kamikaze were undeniably religious and their missions were infused with religious ceremonialism, shinto prayers etc but clearly, their primary motivation was not buddhism but defense of loved ones and homeland.
Posted by rykart at 11/06/2009 @ 2:50pm
Posted by antisocialist at 11/06/2009 @ 2:50pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Idiotic absurdities. A very childish caricature of communism, which has produced murderous tyrants (just has capitalism has) as well as wonderful people and extremely intelligent and creative people. You have no clue what you're talking about. Even more laughably uninformed than your rantings about Islam.
Posted by rykart at 11/06/2009 @ 2:54pm
Since Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks and the subsequent wars that followed, all things which result from these wars fall in the lap of Israel.
Every American... in these perilous times...to inform themselves what's going on in America and the rest of the world. Summed up in a one word, it's Zionist-Imperialism.
Inform yourselves about this snake-like cancer in the world by reading the information on my website. It's just a start. There is so, so much more.
http://joethephilosopher.com/joe/Buried_Skunk.html
Posted by JoethePhilosopher at 11/06/2009 @ 2:54pm
please, joe, don't go over the edge. everything can be summed up in one word? zionist imperialism? that's two words, dude.
Posted by darladoon at 11/06/2009 @ 2:58pm
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/06/2009 @ 1:39pm
Communist Manifesto continued
<Bourgeois marriage is, in reality, a system of wives in common and thus, at the most, what the Communists might possibly be reproached with is that they desire to introduce, in substitution for a hypocritically concealed, an openly legalized system of free love. For the rest, it is self-evident that the abolition of the present system of production must bring with it the abolition of free love springing from that system, i.e., of prostitution both public and private.
The Communists are further reproached with desiring to abolish countries and nationality.
"Undoubtedly," it will be said, "religious, moral, philosophical, and juridicial ideas have been modified in the course of historical development. But religion, morality, philosophy, political science, and law, constantly survived this change."
"There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that are common to all states of society. But communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all past historical experience.">
http://www.constitution.org/tyr/com_mani.htm
"The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If 'Thou shalt not covet' and 'Thou shalt not steal were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free."
John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787
Posted by antisocialist at 11/06/2009 @ 3:01pm
Why don't any of the anonymous shills on this blog mention Zionist terrorism, which predates Israel. Even Kristallnacht was a Zionist false flag operation. See
Institute for Historical Review
'Crystal Night' 1938: The great Anti-German spectacle Ingrid Weckert http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p183_Weckert.html
Always remember, only the truth needs to be suppressed. Falsehoods can be refuted. This truism is the most explosive idea that can possibly be uttered.
Posted by MarkOller at 11/06/2009 @ 3:01pm
Posted by antisocialist at 11/06/2009 @ 3:01pm | ignore this person | warn this person
how about you post a link and quit spamming the thread, moron?
Posted by rykart at 11/06/2009 @ 3:12pm
There'll be more, in our heavily militarized US ... try this Pfaff piece, hard to refute ...
http://www.williampfaff.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=440
Posted by sloper at 11/06/2009 @ 3:14pm
darladoon says: "please, joe, don't go over the edge. everything can be summed up in one word? zionist imperialism? that's two words, dude."
I thought about that, but I was in an edgy mood.
Posted by JoethePhilosopher at 11/06/2009 @ 3:14pm
Larry,
I have never read the communist manifesto, nor do I have any intention of reading it.
Does that make me a communist?
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/06/2009 @ 3:35pm
There'll be more, in our heavily militarized US ... try this Pfaff piece, hard to refute ...
http://www.williampfaff.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=440
Posted by sloper at 11/06/2009 @ 3:14pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Thanks, Sloper. That was a breath of fresh air. And worth reading.
Posted by schnellerheinz at 11/06/2009 @ 3:54pm
"Horror at Fort Hood Inspires Horribly Predictable Islamophobia"
horror, yes - predictable, sure, but "horribly predictable"? not so sure.
with respect to loyal american muslims who take their religion with a grain of salt like most christians, they DO follow a religion which specifically lays out a road map to military conquest of the world, divides the world into "house of peace" (islamic theocracies) and "house of war" (non islamic nations), condemns those who do not share it to oppression and death, and has no respect for the secular traditions upon which this country is based and for which countless millions here and abroad have spilled their life's blood for centuries to achieve.
horribly predictable? indeed, but not in the way you intend, mr. nichols.
as mr. obama has said time and again, words do have meaning and if one carefully reads the koran and the hadithas...it would be absurdly unpredictable if from time to time some true believer did NOT go ballistic and slaughter a bunch of us infidels...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/06/2009 @ 4:25pm
ibbleblibble,
but you're not *certain* of why this guy went ballistic, so to suggest or imply that he went ballistic.....because he's a muslim.....is indeed "horribly predictable"....you just proved nichols's point.
Posted by darladoon at 11/06/2009 @ 4:31pm
Larry,
I have never read the communist manifesto, nor do I have any intention of reading it.
Does that make me a communist?
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/06/2009 @ 3:35pm
What a bizarre response.
Here's what you asked me
<Please tell me how communism is "inimical" to America's ideals, in which all men are created equal.>
Do you think that ending ownership of property, ending the family unit, ending religion and morality are consistent with the American ideal?
And it truly seems bizarre that you would pose your question without having any knowledge about what communism truly believes.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/06/2009 @ 4:33pm
the well intentioned old canard that islam is a religion of love and that all suspicion of it is naught but david horowitz style hyperbole simply does not stand up to close and detached scrutiny.
the well intentioned liberal unfortunately has a difficult time at times understanding the darker nature of things and the allure of such to the human soul. they often mistakenly impute their own rational modernist notions of supernatural belief onto others, and wrongly so.
again, millions of muslims around the world take their religion much as do millions of christians - with a grain of salt and with consideration of the changes that have occured in the thirteen or so centuries since its founding. but like many literalist christian fanatics, many do not...
and i cannot entirely attribute this to a misinterpretation of the accepted writings upon which the faith is based...quite the contrary - i attribute these bloodthirsty and murderous urges PRECISELY TO THE WORDS FOUND THEREIN...
which is unfortunate and perhaps indicative of a conflict best handled by building good walls and being careful and yes, discriminatory, about who we allow entry into our country...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/06/2009 @ 4:33pm
"- i attribute these bloodthirsty and murderous urges PRECISELY TO THE WORDS FOUND THEREIN..."
without fully knowing......the facts.
you're gonna look stupid in like a week or two.
Posted by darladoon at 11/06/2009 @ 4:39pm
"which is unfortunate and perhaps indicative of a conflict best handled by building good walls and being careful and yes, discriminatory, about who we allow entry into our country..."
but you're not suggesting we discriminate against one particular *group* of people. nah. all that stuff about islam was "well-intentioned," i'm sure.....
Posted by darladoon at 11/06/2009 @ 4:40pm
Posted by antisocialist at 11/06/2009 @ 4:33pm
Although I know you believe in your own self-importance, I did not ask you that question. I asked Citizen_Carrier that question. You chose to answer it.
And I never said I didn't have any knowledge of what communism truly believes; just that I had never read the communist manifesto.
So, since you have previously called me a marxist, and I haven't even read the communist manifesto (and by your logic, know nothing of communism), are you now willing to stop calling me a marxist?
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/06/2009 @ 4:42pm
Posted by darladoon at 11/06/2009 @ 4:31pm | ignore this person | warn this person
good points all, DARLA, but when patterns make themselves apparent, assumptions based upon those patterns are not entirely inexcusable...
i find many aspects of islam detestable, including the lack of respect for other religions or lack of belief, treatment of women, lack of respect for democracy...but again i find many aspects of literalist, ossified style christianity detestable too - but i know many christians and a few muslims who throw out the detestable and maintain the admirable of both faiths...
still, i suppose we shall see eventually what this individual's motivations were and be able to make a fair judgement regarding his emotions...
one final thought though...
having seen some good documentaries on how islamic radicals operate overseas as well as here, the bastards often target mentally ill people suffering from severe mood disorders and already suicidal who want to go out with a bang and get them some of that 40 virgin action in the afterlife...
horrible, cowardly, manipulative death bringers...a pox on humanity...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/06/2009 @ 4:42pm
what happens to the women, i wonder? do they get them 40 virgins? i somehow doubt it.
do they become divinely regenerated virgins and spend eternity as love slaves to the men?
or are the virgins just manufactured in heaven for the horny and faithful men?
what a bunch of evil enabling bullshit.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/06/2009 @ 4:45pm
"good points all, DARLA, but when patterns make themselves apparent, assumptions based upon those patterns are not entirely inexcusable"
tell me the "pattern" again?
Posted by darladoon at 11/06/2009 @ 4:47pm
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/06/2009 @ 4:33pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Hard to find any ideology more racist, perverse and idiotic than Judaism, yet many Jews, even religious Jews, are decent, loving people who follow certain traditions while (thankfully) leaving the most disturbing if not repulsive aspects of doctrinaire Judaism behind.
Your point about Islam being somehow uniquely depraved among religions is racist and absurd. Other than that, Islamic contributions to Mid East and European civilization are enormous, utterly dwarfing anything the vermin state of Israel has ever produced or ever will produce.
Posted by rykart at 11/06/2009 @ 4:57pm
tell me the "pattern" again?
Posted by darladoon at 11/06/2009 @ 4:47pm | ignore this person | warn this person
what i said above.
look at what's been happening worldwide for a couple of decades at least.
not that we didn't stupidly stir up that hornet's nest as a result of our arrogance, gluttony, and sloth...don't get me wrong...
but indeed we see something similar whenever some righty cromwellian christian offs an abortion doc or does something similarly bloody and heinous...then expects to be martyred...
amazing...
but i always find it ironic when folks on the left (with whome i generally agree, since "left" has in fact been "center" for a couple of decades in my opinion) ignore the fact that even conventional islam preaches and appears to work for the most abominably misogynist, homophobic, intolerant sort of nightmare totalitarian theocratic police state imaginable - that when christian righties go there we screech and howl, but go teetotally blind when its islam...
because we automatically assume that any non-western idea is good since non-westerners were treated shitily for years by westerners? not good reasoning there...
but i admire your restraint in judgement and shall emulate the same. you are a wise black jewish lesbian herbalist and i respect your opinions more than most.
;)
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/06/2009 @ 5:00pm
"but i admire your restraint in judgement and shall emulate the same. you are a wise black jewish lesbian herbalist and i respect your opinions more than most."
thank you, and a "restraint in judgement," as i'm sure you would agree, does not necessarily mean that i'm an "apologist for islamic jihad."
Posted by darladoon at 11/06/2009 @ 5:04pm
Your point about Islam being somehow uniquely depraved among religions is racist and absurd. Other than that, Islamic contributions to Mid East and European civilization are enormous, utterly dwarfing anything the vermin state of Israel has ever produced or ever will produce.
Posted by rykart at 11/06/2009 @ 4:57pm | ignore this person | warn this person
is islam a "race"?
i assure you i am fully cognizant of islam's role in preserving adding to classical knowledge despite what one did to the library of alexandria...
oh...vermin state of israel? perhaps a tad parasitic once one takes into account those self destructive arrogant AIPAC shits, but i have little problem with them vigorously and violently defending tehemselves against hordes of religious fanatics bent on wiping them off the face of the earth.
hell, according to their own propaganda israel is but vermin number one on their long list of non-muslim vermin to be eradicated, so perhaps my indictment of parasitism on te part of israel was wrong after all.
let the muslim world break itself upon the rock of israel while we enjoy the results of their sacrifice...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/06/2009 @ 5:06pm
thank you, and a "restraint in judgement," as i'm sure you would agree, does not necessarily mean that i'm an "apologist for islamic jihad."
Posted by darladoon at 11/06/2009 @ 5:04pm | ignore this person | warn this person
i love you too, darla
in a purely platonic way, of course ;P
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/06/2009 @ 5:08pm
"hell, according to their own propaganda israel is but vermin number one on their long list of non-muslim vermin to be eradicated, so perhaps my indictment of parasitism on te part of israel was wrong after all." Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/06/2009
I see. Is that why Iran hosts the second largest Jewish population in the Mid East, all protected Iranian citizens despite the fact that Iran's nuclear equipped, psychopathic neighbor Israel is threatening them 30 times a day for the fact they are exercising their legal right to enrich uranium?
It's a little curious that these Iranian Jews prefer to live under "the new third reich" as Israel likes to describe Iran. Actually, the Council of Iranian Jews wrote to Israel and told the worthless assholes to fuck off, because they had no intention of accepting Israeli bribes to emigrate. They are quite proud of being Iranian Jews.
Lay off the Israeli toad venom or whatever they've got you drinking.
Posted by rykart at 11/06/2009 @ 5:13pm
is islam a "race"?
Nope.
A religion..just as Jewishness is a religion.
There is no Jewish race. there are Jews but there is no "Jewish people." That's a myth.
Posted by rykart at 11/06/2009 @ 5:16pm
"there are Jews but there is no "Jewish people." That's a myth."
i would tend to agree with this.
Posted by darladoon at 11/06/2009 @ 5:25pm
So, since you have previously called me a marxist, and I haven't even read the communist manifesto (and by your logic, know nothing of communism), are you now willing to stop calling me a marxist?
Posted by Stephen_Carver1 at 11/06/2009 @ 4:42pm
say please.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/06/2009 @ 5:50pm
i find many aspects of islam detestable, including the lack of respect for other religions or lack of belief, treatment of women, lack of respect for democracy.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/06/2009 @ 4:42pm
ibblebli.....,
It is hard to listen to you posturing about Islam like an expert without asking you to qualify your BS. Can you cite some examples from Islamic texts to support your hypothesis? Exclude Fox News from your reference list, even if you are a regular viewer. Give us examples of your detestable aspects of Islam from some Islamic references.
Posted by CripThink at 11/06/2009 @ 6:08pm
Citizen Carrier,
I have a question. I'm also a vet, 4ID, who was stationed at Ft. Hood until March 2007.
I think it's fair to say that while soldiers have diverse points of view, the overwhelming majority are culturally different than the elite leftists on the coasts. In other words, the volunteers for the WOT join knowing that they will risk their lives, primarily trying to protect people who are not only different than they are, but are actually hostile towards them.
It is clear to me, that those being protected would NEVER reciprocate, and that some even wish harm upon us. Q: Why should we defend these people?
I know the leftist scumbags are already thinking, "you don't defend us... rape Muslim babies, yadda, yadda." Why should we man a force that even purports to defend them?
I can understand doing for others what they would not do for you: we're better than they are, but when they cheer our murders... when they cannot bring themselves to allow one 24-hour news cycle without using our corpses to defame fucking glenn beck or whatever strawman standin for middle america.
Islamophobia? Do you know what real Muslim haters (mostly Muslims themselves) do? They blow up mosques. I told the Jew-hater on this blog that my unit killed one of the biggest mosque incinerating scumbags in the world, and he hasn't decided whether I should live yet.
So poor Nichols has some victims he has no use for, about as much use as he has for the Central park jogger. So he tries to make us into Islamophobes, in a country where the only violent mobs ever seen are the idiot anarchists. And he's a good egg, compared to his readership, who sound ready to drag the bodies down Broadway.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/06/2009 @ 8:26pm
coorection... one of the Jew-haters
Posted by gangpapist at 11/06/2009 @ 8:29pm
"I think it's fair to say that while soldiers have diverse points of view, the overwhelming majority are culturally different than the elite leftists on the coasts"
but cheney, rumsfeld, bush, et al, aren't on the coast, and certainly aren't "elitists." oh, no. they're real salt of the earth, who care very deeply for our troops (by unnecessarily sending them into two foreign countries, without a mission, without enough gear, and without proper medical care, food and water).
Posted by darladoon at 11/06/2009 @ 8:34pm
Islamophobia? Do you know what real Muslim haters (mostly Muslims themselves) do? They blow up mosques. I told the Jew-hater on this blog that my unit killed one of the biggest mosque incinerating scumbags in the world, and he hasn't decided whether I should live yet. Posted by gangpapist at 11/06/2009 @ 8:26pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Sorry..you're mistaken. I'm Jewish.
I'll reiterate: your military pals are directly responsible for the destruction of Iraq and the massacre of over a million people.
I know you THINK of yourself as some sort of hero. That's quite obviously not what the Iraqis think.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/06/2009 @ 8:35pm
"but are actually hostile towards them"
examples? and please, don't cut 'n paste some blogger's opinions......i want clear examples of how "leftists" are hostile towards our military.
i guess love of our military means: sending them into two dangerous, unstable foreign countries without ammo, without a timeline, and without a mission.
Posted by darladoon at 11/06/2009 @ 8:36pm
Yes, Cheney and Bush are the most evil ones. Lay this country low, destroy the military, and kill the Jews. Bow to the Jintao-Putin-Khamenei alliance. Then there will be world peace. Gay marriage will be universal. All tortilla chips will be the baked white corn organic, never the yellow corn fried ones. No thirteen year old cunt will ever think she can say no to a great artist. MRIs will come out of gumball machines.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/06/2009 @ 8:44pm
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/06/2009 @ 8:35pm
Another self-hating Jew. So what? Maybe you and Kissinger could have dinner.
Posted by darladoon at 11/06/2009 @ 8:36pm
Yes, we didn't have ammo, food, or water. You know this, but you demand examples from me, which are all over this blog. That's right, we were shooting blanks at all those babies we killed, eating dirt, and drinking our own urine, or wait, no, the blood of the babies we killed.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/06/2009 @ 8:48pm
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/06/2009 @ 8:35pm
I don't think of myself that way. But i guess relative to cretins who salivate over a second Holocaust, virtually everybody is a hero. So, OK, I'm a hero. Save that one Mask.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/06/2009 @ 8:51pm
Yes, Cheney and Bush are the most evil ones. Lay this country low, destroy the military, and kill the Jews. Bow to the Jintao-Putin-Khamenei alliance. Then there will be world peace. Gay marriage will be universal. All tortilla chips will be the baked white corn organic, never the yellow corn fried ones. No thirteen year old cunt will ever think she can say no to a great artist. MRIs will come out of gumball machines. Posted by gangpapist at 11/06/2009 @ 8:44pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Impressively incoherent.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/06/2009 @ 8:51pm
As an Arab-American, I thank Mr. Nichols for thinking of the millions of Arab-Americans and / or Muslims who have been proud to be Americans, and have served bravely and proudly in the Armed Forces, my father serving proudly in the US Army for 5 years.
This is not the time to encourage hate against millions fellow Americans because of the disgusting actions of one man.
I am appalled at the people making comments saying that "all Arabs are violent." Some, I am sure, who belong to ethnic groups that are also discriminated against in this manner. Shame on you.
Thanks again Mr. Nichols for another sample of your excellent journalism, and thanks to The Nation for publishing. Tina Issa Chicago, IL
Posted by tissa at 11/06/2009 @ 9:01pm
You're not kidding, Mr. Nichols. It's all over signonsandiego.com.
Posted by missionunaccomplished at 11/06/2009 @ 9:02pm
Posted by tissa at 11/06/2009 @ 9:01pm
I also served with Muslims/Arabs. One of the nicest guys I ever met was an Iraqi-American who served as a civilian translator with my unit. He was murdered when he took leave to visit some family members in sector.
I assure you that I do not believe that all Arabs/Muslims are violent.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/06/2009 @ 9:09pm
An anecdote: When I was at OSUT (basic training + advanced infantry) at Fort Benning, there was a kid in my company with the surname... Hussein. This was before BHO was a household name.
I'm sure the readership would love to hear a story here about how this guy was tortured mentally by his peers. Sorry. He was an outgoing kid, athletic, likeable, and very popular. In the non-PC world of the Army, of course there were jokes, and he joked back. After basic, I lost track of him. I pray that he is well as i do for all my brothers.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/06/2009 @ 9:26pm
This is not the time to encourage hate against millions fellow Americans because of the disgusting actions of one man. Posted by tissa at 11/06/2009 @ 9:01pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Were his actions more or less disgusting than the average US GI who deploys to Iraq or Afghanistan to slaughter innocent people?
Don't betray your brothers and sisters.
You know quite well who the true criminals are.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/06/2009 @ 9:32pm
you CANT be serious!! 13 people just LOST their lives and your are WORRIED about OFFENDING somebody's religion. You don't have to say anything>>>> it's a fact that their ARE extremists who deny the reality of Christ and have a problem with isreal. HELLO? the religion will OBVIOUSLY have a problem with america. There CAN BE no allegence to america, because the religion is first..HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISCHARGED......BUT How can you make EXCUSES for him???? and NOT care about the soldiers that DIED, who are AMERICANS, he didn't even acknowlege that but was EDUCATED IN THIS COUNTRY THAT MY GRANDMA CAME TO AS A SLAVE....PEOPLE DIED...so we can HAVE freedom of religious in this COUNTRY.NOT TO KILL> This is a betrayal and I HAVE THE GUTS TO say it. People make me sick, everyday I move more toward the conservative agenda, this is not about hating anybody, it's about waking up and ReALIZING we do have enemies . I think losing lives is NO cause for being POLITICALLY CORRECT and not STEPPING on toes. this is no disrespect to non-extremeist muslims. Thanks.
Posted by givemeabreak at 11/06/2009 @ 11:39pm
and the band played on....
"U.S. arms sales hit record in 2009
BY JIM WOLF, REUTERSNOVEMBER 6, 2009
WASHINGTON - U.S. government-to-government arms sales rose 4.7 per cent to a record $38.1 billion last year, and are expected to total almost as much in 2010, the Pentagon agency that administers them said Friday."
Posted by frosty zoom at 11/07/2009 @ 12:48am
From the comments it seems as though more wingnuts read the nation than progressives.
To all you who were waiting for an incident like this to unleash your hate: There were no calls for "pre-screening of Koreans" after Virginia Tech or any need for Irishmen or Catholics to distance themselves from former US Army soldier Timothy McVeigh- Islamaphobia is real- watch Faux News ignore Rivera's correct contextualization of the tragedy as a crazed lone gunman and warnings against hate for their hate-filled agenda: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rotxv7rQHHk&feature=player_embedded
Posted by bsgraupner at 11/07/2009 @ 01:31am
Try reconciling this with the current version of the atrocity.
Shooter killed, two apprehended at Fort Hood: commander
Up to three gunmen who opened fire Thursday on a US military base, killing 11 people and wounding 31 others, were all American soldiers, the Fort Hood commander said.
"A shooter opened fire. That person was killed. At this time, we are looking at 12 dead and 31 wounded. They are dispersed among the local hospitals in this area in Texas," said Lieutenant General Bob Cone.
The shooter was counted among the 12 dead.
"The shooter was killed. He was a soldier. We since then have apprehended two additional soldiers who are suspects, and I would go into the point that there were eyewitness accounts that there may have been more than one shooter."
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Shooter_killed_two
_apprehended_at_F_11052009.html
Perhaps, Major Malik Nidal Hassan was the patsy, like Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh, Osama bin Laden, and most recently, James von Brunn. He might even be dead, like Osama , Khalid, and von Brunn. Dead men can't defend themselves.
Posted by MarkOller at 11/07/2009 @ 05:24am
"Inspires Horribly Predictable Islamophobia" posted by John Nichols on 11/05/2009 @ 7:23pm
Johnny what is predictable is that there is a 90% chance that an event such as this involves a Jehadist terrorist...whether it be the 3 attacks on the twin towers, the Cole, Kenya, Indonesia, Spanish train stations, or a barracks of marines in Lebannon you name it Johnny....they were Islamic terrorists not right wing Republicans who you dispise.
When the jehadists sit down and have a beer with Obama, which I am sure will be soon, then we all will be at ease...you are a knucklehead Johnny!!!
Posted by Obamunut at 11/07/2009 @ 05:33am
Q: Why should we defend these people?
Posted by gangpapist at 11/06/2009 @ 8:26pm
It's merely a free rider benefit. I defend the people worth defending. The rest are along for the ride.
I got off work early yesterday and stopped at mexican restaurant for a late lunch. I was still in uniform, just sitting there by myself reading a magazine. Guy comes over to me and shakes my hand, and tells me he's sorry about what happened to my buddies at Fort Hood.
Actually, I don't like attracting attention to myself by wearing the uniform in public. I'm just sitting there, minding my own business and people pick up my dinner checks. And they won't take no for an answer.
One time a couple of little girls came over to my table to recite to me the pledge of allegience.
This is the America I defend. Not the Jobbos or Rykarts. They'll die as they lived. In rage and bitterness.
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/07/2009 @ 07:24am
I heard a report today that over 100 shots were fired. And that some of the dead and wounded may have been killed by friendly fire. I also heard that the military uses a private military contractor who responded to the shooter at Fort Hood. The private military contractor of choice is Blackwater.
There may be a lot more this story than is common knowledge at this time.
Posted by chaoszen at 11/07/2009 @ 08:06am
In 1989, Joseph Wesbecker shot dead eight people and injured 12 others before killing himself at his place of work in Kentucky. Wesbecker had been taking the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) antidepressant fluoxetine for four weeks before these homicides, and this led to a legal action against the makers of fluoxetine, Eli Lilly [1]. The case was tried and settled in 1994, and as part of the settlement a number of pharmaceutical company documents about drug-induced activation were released into the public domain. Subsequent legal cases, some of which are outlined below, have further raised the possibility of a link between antidepressant use and violence.
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1 371%2Fjournal.pmed.0030372
Posted by frosty zoom at 11/07/2009 @ 08:10am
One time a couple of little girls came over to my table to recite to me the pledge of allegience. Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/07/2009 @ 07:24am
I hope they did a better job than Rep. Teabagger Tom Akin's at the "Hands Off Our Healthcare" protest. You know the one that Fox News said numbered over 1,000,000 people! Actually the number was 3000... And most of them were bused in by 60 buses. According to Michele Bachmann though they all just showed up spontaneously.
Posted by chaoszen at 11/07/2009 @ 08:16am
Posted by frosty zoom at 11/07/2009 @ 08:10am
Yeah frosty, those SSRI's can be a bitch. Studies indicate that as far as treating depression they are only marginally better than placebo. But for inducing violence and suicide they work great.
And I figure that since Major Hasan was a psychiatrist he was probably self medicating. Nowadays psychiatrists don't actually know squat about dealing with real mental issues. They mostly just address symptoms by prescribing drugs. Clinical Psychologists mostly handle the shrinking now.
Posted by chaoszen at 11/07/2009 @ 08:25am
One time a couple of little girls came over to my table to recite to me the pledge of allegience. Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/07/2009 @ 07:24am
Funny thing about the Pledge of Allegiance is that when it was written by Francis Bellamy in 1892 it was written as a socialist utopian mantra. Bellamy was a Christian Socialist.
Ironically in 1954 the words "Under God" were incorporated into the pledge as a result of the Red Scare and McCarthyism. The original salute that accompanied the pledge was am arm out hand down salute that was changed to the hand over the heart due to it's resemblance to the Nazi salute.
Posted by chaoszen at 11/07/2009 @ 08:39am
On second thought maybe we should change the salute back to the arm out hand down version since at this point we are living in a fascist country. And instead of the american flag we could use a corporate flag. Maybe one containing the logo's of the top thirteen corporations for starters...
Posted by chaoszen at 11/07/2009 @ 08:46am
I do not agree with your statement: "It should be understood that to assume a follower of Islam who engages in violence is a jihadist is every bit as absurd as to assume that a follower of Christianity who attacks others is a crusader." Jihad cannot be compared to a Crusade as Crusaders were duped into that war, but Jihadists are indoctrinated with that belief from an early age. Most Christians today understand that violence, especially murder, in the name of (or under the guise of) Christianity is not being a true follower of Jesus Christ, who taught peace and forgiveness rather than retribution or even self-defense (turn the other cheek). The Crusaders were misguided into fighting what they were told was a worthy cause "of God" by so called "Christian Athorities" whom they trusted for their religious beliefs since the Bible was not readily available to them. We now have copies of the Bible to read for ourselves and have no excuse today about what we believe we should fight and/or kill (murder) for. Jesus never taught followers to murder and his true followers were tortured and died without defending themselves in that way. Muslims on the other hand are taught to follow a way of violence and murder for their beliefs and that they earn eternal rewards for doing so. NOT THE SAME!
Posted by kcfrogger at 11/07/2009 @ 09:06am
Basically, a violent gang member turned on other members of his violent gang. Let's not turn this into something its not. The majority of these people join the military out of thirst for murder and depravity.
Wolverines are not household pets. If you raise them in your back yard, bad things are going to happen. Duh.
Posted by rykart at 11/07/2009 @ 09:33am
Somehow, I don't think any of these kids are going to be singing America's national anthem:
http://www.endthiswar.org/enemy.htm
Posted by rykart at 11/07/2009 @ 09:37am
Jesus never taught followers to murder.Posted by kcfrogger at 11/07/2009 @ 09:06am
Jesus may have never taught his followers to murder, because some of them were members of Sicarii or "assassins". I'm sure they already knew how to do that.
And on the other hand Jesus accepts, acknowledges and preaches in Matthew that the Old Testament was "The Commandment of God" (Matthew 15:13) and as the "Word of God" (Matthew 15:6). So Jesus recognized the Old Testament and all it's violent, incestuous and murderous ways.
Jesus did not have to teach murder. It had already been taught by his father...
Posted by chaoszen at 11/07/2009 @ 09:39am
Tragically the price is high for those who choose to fight in unjust wars. There is no good that comes from things such as these..
Posted by chaoszen at 11/07/2009 @ 10:17am
"Basically, a violent gang member turned on other members of his violent gang."
Don't forget that these are the same people whose hearts bleed for the murderers of black children that call themselves crips, bloods, you know, ACTUAL violent gang members. They wanted a Nobel for Tookie. Their Messiah's man in Khartoum is passing out milk and cookies for the butchers of Darfur. The internecine strife caused by competing death cults that accounts for virtually all of the mayhem in the Muslim world is as invisible and useless to them as a law-abiding black man. Only if they sniff a Jew or a yankee are they concerned, and with the yankee only cause they smell Jew on him.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/07/2009 @ 10:24am
Even most Muslim fanatics are harmless unless provoked, unlike Zionists - Jewish or Christian. Can you name a single Islamic terrorist act which was not at least instigated by Mossad agent provocateurs, kcfrogger? I recommend,
Jesus killed Mohammed: The crusade for a Christian military By Jeff Sharlet http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/05/008248
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Israel's Sacred Terrorism written by Livia Rokach A study based on Moshe Sharett's Personal Diary, and other documents. Foreword by Noam Chomsky
Moshe Sharett Foreign Minister of Israel (1948-1956) Prime Minister of Israel (1954-1955) http://members.tripod.com/alabasters_archive/sac
red_terror.html
Abu Nidal - Mossad Terrorist www.nogw.com/download/_07_nidal_mo.pdf
The Widening Crusade Bush's War Plan Is Scarier Than He's Saying Sydney H. Schanberg Tuesday, October 14th 2003 http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-10-
14/news/the-widening-crusade/
EXAMPLES OF HATE SPEECH http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/p
alestinians.html?q=palestinians.html
Posted by MarkOller at 11/07/2009 @ 10:54am
Posted by Citizen_Carrier at 11/07/2009 @ 07:24am
I appreciate your answer, but what i'm getting at is that if Jihad was given a free pass, it's places like Manhattan and the West Coast that they would most likely attack, their cosmo lefty admirers. So we really are disproportionately defending exactly the same people who celebrate our deaths. In other words, I think there's more free riders on the bus than paying customers, and what's more some of the freebies are of a mind to pull a boxcutter on the busdriver.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/07/2009 @ 10:55am
Don't forget that these are the same people whose hearts bleed for the murderers of black children that call themselves crips, bloods, you know, ACTUAL violent gang members. They wanted a Nobel for Tookie. Their Messiah's man in Khartoum is passing out milk and cookies for the butchers of Darfur. The internecine strife caused by competing death cults that accounts for virtually all of the mayhem in the Muslim world is as invisible and useless to them as a law-abiding black man. Only if they sniff a Jew or a yankee are they concerned, and with the yankee only cause they smell Jew on him. Posted by gangpapist at 11/07/2009 @ 10:24am | ignore this person | warn this person
magnificently garbled.
Is there a translation available?
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/07/2009 @ 10:58am
I appreciate your answer, but what i'm getting at is that if Jihad was given a free pass, it's places like Manhattan and the West Coast that they would most likely attack, their cosmo lefty admirers. So we really are disproportionately defending exactly the same people who celebrate our deaths. In other words, I think there's more free riders on the bus than paying customers, and what's more some of the freebies are of a mind to pull a boxcutter on the busdriver. Posted by gangpapist at 11/07/2009 @ 10:55am | ignore this person | warn this person
More nonsense. The 9/11 investigators were quizzed as to the motivation for the 9/11 attacks. To no one's surprise--at least to SANE person's surprise, the motivation they uncovered was America's brutalization of Arab people, support for corrupt regimes in the Mid East, support to the vermin of Israel so they can massacre and ethnically cleanse the region and "solidarity with anti-oppression movements."
http://tiny.cc/ZzSLS
The US military and it's disgusting crimes caused the deaths of 3000 people on 9/11. naturally, there will be more, folowing our abominations in Afghanistan. Our military, far from protecting us, is GUARANTEEING that more innocent Americans are going to die.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/07/2009 @ 11:08am
Should we gas the Jews or nuke em? Is medical experimentation OK? What about the kikes over here, and world over? The Brooklyn Hasids? Oh yeah, they gotta go. But what about the self-hating, emasculated sclemiels like Woody Allen?
Should the non-Israeli child-eaters be spared only if they renounce Israel?
What about Gentiles who have supported Israel? Will you denounce Dr. King? He said that people like you were anti-semites. Pretty hurtful charge from such a big man on the freedom circuit. Time to take his kike-loving black ass down a notch? Do it Smashy. It's about time you guys started rethinking your ideological milieu, taking those old posters off the wall. Maybe the tiny moustache isn't so uncool after all.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/07/2009 @ 11:20am
Who stepped on the compost pile and exposed all the nuts that the squirrels put there?
What a collection...
Posted by chaoszen at 11/07/2009 @ 11:26am
What about Gentiles who have supported Israel? Will you denounce Dr. King? He said that people like you were anti-semites. Posted by gangpapist at 11/07/2009 @ 11:20am | ignore this person | warn this person
That quote of King is a fake. You do realize that, don't you?
http://www.blacksandjews.com/MLKIsrael.html
Of course you do--you're a supporter of Israeli scum.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/07/2009 @ 11:39am
Nice try.
Maybe you can dig up something MLK actually said, rather than words put in his mouth my CAMERA and like-minded pro-Israel rodents and parasites.
Try this one, for example...it's real:
"I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government."
Martin Luther King
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/07/2009 @ 11:47am
There was a letter that was a fake. King made many statements that supported Israel's right to exist and conflated anti-Zionism with anti-semitism, as has been attested to by his fellow Civil Rights hero, Congressman John Lewis.
Very much consistent with the fact that King did not agree with the nationalists and gangsters that took over SNCC and later formed the Panthers, BLA, etc. Unlike those groups, King always worked alongside Zionist Jews.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/07/2009 @ 11:51am
More nonsense. The 9/11 investigators were quizzed as to the motivation for the 9/11 attacks. To no one's surprise--at least to SANE person's surprise, the motivation they uncovered was America's brutalization of Arab people, support for corrupt regimes in the Mid East, support to the vermin of Israel so they can massacre and ethnically cleanse the region and "solidarity with anti-oppression movements."
http://tiny.cc/ZzSLS
The US military and it's disgusting crimes caused the deaths of 3000 people on 9/11. naturally, there will be more, folowing our abominations in Afghanistan. Our military, far from protecting us, is GUARANTEEING that more innocent Americans are going to die.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/07/2009 @ 11:08am | ignore this person | warn this person
I prefer honest totalitarianism to fake debate. The Twin Towers were demolished with explosives and micro nuclear weapons, and the Pentagon was bombed. Even plane huggers are shills. In the helicopter video, flight UA 175 went all the way through WTC 2 without apparent damage. The screen went blank after .28 seconds. I wonder why?
Posted by MarkOller at 11/07/2009 @ 11:54am
I am well aware that King came out against the Vietnam War, rightly so.
What Jews, if any, should be spared? Should Gentile Jew-lovers like King be treated as heroes, while the great Jew-slayer Hitler is demonized?
Posted by gangpapist at 11/07/2009 @ 11:56am
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There is ZERO possibility that MLK, learning of Israel's massacre in Gaza would side with the Judeo-Nazi oppressors rather than the victims.
The mere suggestion is laughable.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/07/2009 @ 12:02pm
Posted by MarkOller at 11/07/2009 @ 11:54am
I wonder why the kikes used Saudi drones instead of Palestinians. The latter are closer, therefore easier to get their hoofs on. Is it because Palestians have become a race of Super Arabs that are 100% impervious to the kikes manipulation techniques?
If so, it may be possible that we could isolate the Jew-blocking DNA and make sure that no human being is born without it. It is not enough to simply wipe out the known Jewish vermin. We must create a population that is naturally "vaccinated" against the Jewish virus. Only then will great leaders of the world: the Bashirs, Chavez, Jintao, Qaddafi, be able to usher in the new era of Jew-free world peace, harmony, and sugar-free sodas for everyone.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/07/2009 @ 12:06pm
The clumsy effort by Israel's bacterial supporters regarding MLK mirrors similar efforts to portray Albert Einstein as a gung ho pro-Israel dirt ball. Of course Einstein, to his enormous credit, recognized the true character of the Israeli regime long before the abominations in Lebanon and Gaza. He repeatedly refers to the Israelis as Nazis and fascists.
Fred Jerome's outstanding new book "Einstein on Israel and Zionism" is the final nail in the coffin of all the maggots who attempt to co-opt this great man's beliefs to support ethnic cleansing, racism and massacre.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/07/2009 @ 12:08pm
In the novel 1984, true believers were called, "goodthinkers." Have we nothing to look forward to but goodthinking and goosestepping and kissing kosher Big Brother's butt until the end of time?
Posted by MarkOller at 11/07/2009 @ 12:16pm
If either of the two parties were ever to throw the Jewish bacteria to the breeze, it would have to be the Democrats, right?
Who is the most consistent block for the Dems, smashy? The blacks, that's who? Only the blacks could run Hyman out of the party but they WILL not do it. Why? Because the legacy of men like King and Lewis has had a more profound impact than that of righteous Jew-haters like Amiri Baraka? Maybe.
But dig deeper, smashy. It's all right there in the Turner Diaries. That's why Weaselthal and his kike vermin friends tried to silence the great William Luther Pierce. But you know better don't you smashy? They have always been allergic to the truth. Look how they smeared the Protocols.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/07/2009 @ 12:26pm
Posted by MarkOller at 11/07/2009 @ 12:16pm
Stop trying to co-opt Orwell. He broke with the Stalinists that made up this very magazine, and they despised him for it. Like Cockburn, the unapologetic Stalinist and fellater of dictators hates Hitchens now.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/07/2009 @ 12:30pm
If either of the two parties were ever to throw the Jewish bacteria to the breeze, it would have to be the Democrats, right? Who is the most consistent block for the Dems, smashy? The blacks, that's who? Only the blacks could run Hyman out of the party but they WILL not do it. Why? Because the legacy of men like King and Lewis has had a more profound impact than that of righteous Jew-haters like Amiri Baraka? Maybe. But dig deeper, smashy. It's all right there in the Turner Diaries. That's why Weaselthal and his kike vermin friends tried to silence the great William Luther Pierce. But you know better don't you smashy? They have always been allergic to the truth. Look how they smeared the Protocols. Posted by gangpapist at 11/07/2009 @ 12:26pm | ignore this person | warn this person
If there's a Nobel for garbled thinking, I'll be happy to nominate you. I have no idea what you are trying to convey and I'm reasonably sure you don't either.
perhaps it's just more obfuscation, after you were exposed for trying to pass off a threadbare hoax about King?
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/07/2009 @ 12:38pm
It is hard to listen to you posturing about Islam like an expert without asking you to qualify your BS. Can you cite some examples from Islamic texts to support your hypothesis? Exclude Fox News from your reference list, even if you are a regular viewer. Give us examples of your detestable aspects of Islam from some Islamic references.
Posted by CripThink at 11/06/2009 @ 6:08pm | i
i did not claim expertise. i DO claim to be trained in critical thinking methodology.
i WISH i were wrong, but even a fairly cursory investigation online and in public libraries can yeild a lot of relevant information on any number of topics.
when it comes to controversial topics like this, one must indeed wade through propaganda of all sides and keep a critical attitude.
having waded through a lot of propaganda i find that indeed...
1. the koran itself is not so detestable as the hadithas in regard to my criticisms.
2. the hadithas are nonetheless VERY important to the vast majority of muslims...
in fact i actually like certain strains of islam, such as most sufi strains and sects like the alevis of turkey...
but many muslims consider such progressive and mystic versions of islam as heretical and such do not appear to represent the zeitgeist of modern islamic thought, which in many ways is more regressive than it was at many times in the past...
certainly its complicated and KUDOS to those muslims who are trying to forge a progressive and tolerant strain of the faith...
but one does not need a phd to investigate a phenomenon and think crititically...
check this video out...
http://tinyurl.com/yhw897a
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/07/2009 @ 12:46pm
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/07/2009 @ 12:46pm | ignore this person | warn this person
But so what? Another case against religious extremism? How does this compare with the zillions of lunatic rabbis who declare that the Palestinians are "amalek" from the Old Testament and Jews are duty-bound to massacre them and wipe them from the earth? Don't you find that MORE dangerous and offensive by FAR, given that these same rabbis act as counsel to the IDF and tell the soldiers that murdering Palestinians, including civilians, is a holy duty?
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/07/2009 @ 1:00pm
Open your eyes smashy. The NAACP was started by Joel Spingarn, a Jew. WEB Dubois agitated to lift the quotas that kept the Jewish vermin out of the universities.
The blacks and the Jewish virus are connected at the hip. You cannot destroy one without destroying the other.
The Southern Poverty Law Center: Jews! Look what they did to the Aryan Nation which was building up a volunteer army in Idaho to exterminate the jewish bacteria.
You cannot isolate only the jewiest of the jews for extermination and expect that the job will get done. That has been tried before. Stand up for elimination of all the mud races and the victory of the Teutonic god-man over the Jews and their many subhuman drones!
Posted by gangpapist at 11/07/2009 @ 1:02pm
Posted by gangpapist at 11/07/2009 @ 1:02pm | ignore this person | warn this person
You're outta your fucking mind, pal.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/07/2009 @ 1:03pm
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/07/2009 @ 1:03pm
Just having fun. I know that the Leftwing Jew haters are not quite ready to make the (small) leap over to Hitlerism. But it seems that your only reservations (and this is typical for the Left) are based on style, not substance. Even as you adopt more and more of the Nazi programme, you still need to use the Nazi label for your enemies.
It is terribly predictable that when the next mega-genocide occurs, the heirs of Hitler will call their victims "Nazis." The Nazis killing the "Nazis," how nice.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/07/2009 @ 1:15pm
Posted by gangpapist at 11/07/2009 @ 1:15pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Are you talking about Einstein's reference to the Israelis as Nazis ?
http://tiny.cc/y21po
or maybe Gerald Kauffman's reference to the Israelis as Nazis?
http://tiny.cc/jKDt1
or maybe you're referring to Philip Roth's characterization of the Israelis as Nazis? or Primo Levi? Or Yeshayahu Leibowitz'?
or Sara Roy's
http://tiny.cc/IyqGN
Huh? No?
Maybe you'll just invent some crazy shit like you did with King. That would certainly impress us.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/07/2009 @ 1:34pm
gangpapist,
What do you think was the reason for Nazi anti-Semitism? Before answering, read "Ten Questions to the Zionists," by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl and "A Jewish Defector Warns America, " by Benjamin H. Freedman.
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/tenquestions.htm
http://www.themodernreligion.com/jihad/freedman
.html
Posted by MarkOller at 11/07/2009 @ 1:45pm
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/07/2009 @ 1:34pm
I think we can put together a willing group to fund your trip to Gaza to join your jihadist friends. then you can really prove how much you want to destroy Isreal.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/07/2009 @ 1:55pm
Posted by MarkOller at 11/07/2009 @ 1:45pm
I have absolutely 0 interest in reading justifications for the Holocaust.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/07/2009 @ 1:34pm
Roth is one of my favorite writers but so what? If Billy Corgan advocated setting gays on fire, I wouldn't do it. Survival in Auschwitz, you have to admit if you've read it, contained a very dark view of the victims of the death camps. I'm more of a Borowski man.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/07/2009 @ 1:57pm
Use your real names. Unless one is working for the CIA or some Zionist psychological warfare department, there is no reason to hide behind a pseudonym, especially if one happens to be pro-Israel. Supporting Israel is no more risky than supporting Stalin in Stalinist Russia. Fake anti-Israel shills, however, must conceal their identities.
Posted by MarkOller at 11/07/2009 @ 2:06pm
If anyone on this thread actually believes the al Qaeda kamikaze terrorist plot, download
The Paranoid Style at Pacifica posted by Eyal Press on 10/22/2009 @ 4:20pm
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/487369/th
e_paranoid_style_at_pacifica
Even Gretavo's limited hangouts are useful.
Posted by MarkOller at 11/07/2009 @ 2:38pm
I have absolutely 0 interest in reading justifications for the Holocaust.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/07/2009 @ 1:57pm
Now, you are putting words in my mouth.
I wrote:
gangpapist,
What do you think was the reason for Nazi anti-Semitism? Before answering, read "Ten Questions to the Zionists," by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl and "A Jewish Defector Warns America, " by Benjamin H. Freedman.
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/tenquestions.htm
http://www.themodernreligion.com/jihad/freedman
.html
Zionists and Jewish Bolsheviks incited Nazi anti-Semitism, but wealthy American and British Zionists and powerful Bolsheviks were not the victims. Unlike Rabbi Weissmandl, who was writing in 1948, I know that the 'Holocaust' is propaganda made up by British intelligence during the Second World War. I did not learn the truth until February of this year. Until two years ago, I fell for the al Qaeda terrorist plot of 9/11. Within minutes of examining the facts on the Internet, I knew it was pack of lies. Download
http://www.historiography- project.com/misc/graf_jewishlosses.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay? docid=4138523842550891901#
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6C9BuXe2RM
Posted by MarkOller at 11/07/2009 @ 3:20pm
"Holocaust Revisionism" / "Holocaust Denial" Sites
The following web sites are among the most controversial per the subject of Jewry. "Holocaust Revisionism" web sites typically aim, as self-described, to investigate -- and deflate -- popular convention about the numbers of Jews who died in concentration camps, and the manner in which they perished. They contest existing conventions about Holocaust history -- scholarly or otherwise....
In the interests of full perspective (although certainly the counter-view to these "revisionist" sites are to be found everywhere in popular culture), we include here also the NIZKOR site, which is antithetical to the others listed here. All these sites have further links to others reflecting their own convictions and arguments, and anyone interested in the details of this debate should be able to find them.
As always, we encourage people to read opposing ideas about any subject and make up their own minds about the merits of the arguments.
Institute for Historical Review (IHR)
CODOH
David Irving / Focal Point Publications
Campaign for Radical Truth in History
Arthur R. Butz
Adelaide Institute
The Revisionist
Nemesis:
NIZKOR (Holocaust Education Resource)
(See also the various Jewish organization links at JTR's home page)
http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/holsites.htm
Posted by MarkOller at 11/07/2009 @ 3:40pm
Hey Nichols. You try to tag your enemies as Islamophobes, and then its open forum.
What do you get? Not a single con claiming that all Muslims are jihadists. Some extremists who celebrate the deaths of soldiers. The usual Jew-haters who come out only for topics that can possibly be construed as Jewy. And then by the end, after one of the anti-semites wasted his time trapped in my game of tease the hymie-hater, it finally devolved into a promotion of Holocaust denial by some shmuck.
By volume, this website competes for Jew-hatred with Aryan Nation. Are you proud of the company you keep.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/07/2009 @ 4:54pm
By volume, this website competes for Jew-hatred with Aryan Nation. Are you proud of the company you keep. Posted by gangpapist at 11/07/2009 @ 4:54pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Actually, you're in superb company with MarkOller. He sees government 9/11 conspiracies around every corner while you replay your scratchy, infantile "anti-Semite" records, as you desperately search for ANY moral authority who will lend support to the hazardous sewage containment center known as Israel. Being unable to locate anyone of moral authority to support Israel, now that every human rights organization on earth has condemned them in no uncertain terms, you take to dredging up fabricated quotes from Martin Luther King.
I leave you two to get better acquainted.
Posted by rykart at 11/07/2009 @ 5:21pm
For some reason people think that the biblical saying of to live by the sword is to die by the sword not longer applies. It is unfortunate when anyone dies of anything other than old age but why is it so much worse for these men and women to die needlessly in the USA instead of dying needlessly in Afghanistan or Iraq? Is it more noble to die overseas protecting the interests of multinational oil companies?
Posted by ZeeBruce at 11/07/2009 @ 5:22pm
all this blah, blah.....
the dude was being shipped overseas.
everyday he had heard horror stories about iraq.
you can find all sorts of stupid reasons for the man's "inspiration" but ultimately it is violence begetting violence.
an eye for an eye will eventually end up in your backyard.
Posted by frosty zoom at 11/07/2009 @ 5:23pm
All I know is that in the farthest reaches of my mind I couldn't come up with the hatred of gang papist. The spew was fascinating from a "gangland"episode from the History channel perspective. I kept waiting for a fake Hitler to appear adorned with about 200 "Aryan" tattoos. Hate is your name and game. Good luck with the rest of your life,after reading your thoughts you will need it.
Posted by whatozz at 11/07/2009 @ 6:50pm
I never singled out Jewish Zionists or denied that the false flag terrorism of 9/11 was partly for monetary gain and to cover up evidence of scandals.
Watch "Radical Christians in Iraq." It is a German program with English subtitles. It never could have been broadcast in this land of the free and home of the brave. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m61elAh5F1c
Jesus killed Mohammed: The crusade for a Christian military By Jeff Sharlet http://harpers.org/archive/2009/05/0082488
Not long before, though, there had been a hint of trouble: a briefing in which his squad was warned that any soldier caught desecrating Islamic sites--Samarra is considered a holy city--would fall under "extreme penalty," a category that can include a general court-martial and prison time. "I heard some guys were vandalizing mosques," Humphrey says. "Spray-painting 'em with crosses." ...
They had commissioned the Special Forces interpreter, an Iraqi from Texas, to paint a legend across their Bradley's armor, in giant red Arabic script.
"What's it mean?" asked Humphrey.
"Jesus killed Mohammed," one of the men told him. The soldiers guffawed. JESUS KILLED MOHAMMED was about to cruise into the Iraqi night.... http://harpers.org/archive/2009/05/0082488
Then the soldiers shot up the town with machineguns and a 25mm cannon for even more fun. I never heard of a Muslim fanatic acting this stupid.
Posted by MarkOller at 11/07/2009 @ 7:14pm
The Widening Crusade Bush's War Plan Is Scarier Than He's Saying Sydney H. Schanberg Tuesday, October 14th 2003
In the soon-to-be-published The Faith of George W. Bush (Tarcher/Penguin), a sympathetic account of this religious journey, author Stephen Mansfield writes (in the advance proofs) that in the election year 2000, Bush told Texas preacher James Robison, one of his spiritual mentors: "I feel like God wants me to run for president. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. . . . I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
Mansfield also reports: "Aides found him face down on the floor in prayer in the Oval Office. It became known that he refused to eat sweets while American troops were in Iraq, a partial fast seldom reported of an American president. And he framed America's challenges in nearly biblical language. Saddam Hussein is an evildoer. He has to go."
http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-10- 14/news/the-widening-crusade/
George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'President told Palestinians
Ewen MacAskill The Guardian, Friday 7 October 2005
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/07/ira q.usa
America's Armageddonites Jon Basil Utley | October 10, 2007 Editor: John Feffer
Foreign Policy In Focus
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4630
B-52 Nukes Headed for Iran: Air Force refused to fly weapons to Middle East theater by Wayne Madsen
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? context=va&aid=6909
Posted by MarkOller at 11/07/2009 @ 7:32pm
Is it more noble to die overseas protecting the interests of multinational oil companies?
Posted by ZeeBruce at 11/07/2009 @ 5:22pm
Blaming the oil companies is a diversion. They never wanted an anti-Muslim jihad, and rational businessmen do not blow up skyscrapers and bomb the Pentagon. See
The Deadly Embrace Zion-power and War: From Iraq to Iran by James Petras Posted on November 6, 2007
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2007/11/06/ the-deadly-embrace-zion-power-and-war-from-iraq- to-iran-by-james-petras/
Posted by MarkOller at 11/07/2009 @ 7:42pm
SmashIsrael, didn't the Nazi's speak of the Jews as you do, in terms of germs and bacteria?
Posted by oneuniverse at 11/07/2009 @ 8:38pm
SmashIsrael, didn't the Nazi's speak of the Jews as you do, in terms of germs and bacteria? Posted by oneuniverse at 11/07/2009 @ 8:38pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Yes..I believe so. That's why it's so painful to see the Israelis willfully transform themselves to conform to the worst anti-Semitic stereotypes of Jews. It's as though they are trying to validate the Nazi conception of what a Jew is.
Fortunately, decent and sane Jews around the world are repulsed by the Israelis and go out of their way to distance themselves from these dangerous psychotics at every opportunity.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/07/2009 @ 8:52pm
This was not "terrorism." Terrorism means killing innocent civilians. This was war. The soldiers killed were preparing to deploy to Iraq and Afghanistan to kill and be killed. All Hasan did was move the battlefield.
He brought the war home. You can see it from the intensity of the posts on thousands of threads on hundreds of sites. We're all relaxed about launching wars against people of different colors and religions in far away places. They (and the .5% of Americans who serve in the military) can die and suffer, while we take it easy. We can invade/bomb/occupy them, but they aren't supposed to fight back. Well good luck with that.
Bring all the troops home from everywhere ASAP.
Posted by DavidSpero at 11/07/2009 @ 9:05pm
For the soldiers like Citizen and gang on this list: you seem like intelligent and well-meaning guys. But we (meaning the "left" the "elites," the "coasts") don't want or need your protection. Nobody is coming to get us. Except possibly the FBI, or you.
So thank you for your service. Please go home now, and encourage your friends and families not to sign up. You are serving a class of corporate robber barons, not "protecting America."
Posted by DavidSpero at 11/07/2009 @ 10:27pm
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Very well stated, David. Unfortunately, America's love affair with violence and depravity doesn't appear to be flagging. The military will provoke further attacks, just as they provoked 9/11. That's because the greatest enemy of the United States military--the one enemy that would obliterate the US military, is peace.
Without our brainless wars, without the infantile fights we pick with everyone, without the trumped up list of enemies to rally against, the the military will atrophy and die.
Posted by rykart at 11/07/2009 @ 10:36pm
What a coincidence that every shill on the Internet decided to exploit the massacre at Fort Hood before the guns had time to cool, and every shill played the bloodthirsty Muslim angle to the hilt. Of course, anyone who blames Zionists is ANTISEMITIC! Fortunately, the Citizens for Legitimate Government is an exception. This is a small sample:
Fort Hood Shooting 'Oddities' By Lori Price, www.legitgov.org Updated: 07 Nov 2009
'Three people are involved. That, by definition, means it is a conspiracy.'
Curiouser and Curiouser: -Video surfaces of alleged shooter, Major Nidal Hasan, attending Homeland Security Task Force conference --Major Hasan's name appears on page 29 of The George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute's 'Thinking Anew--Security Priorities for the Next Administration' --Proceedings Report of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force - April 2008 - January 2009. The report is dated 19 May 2009. http://www.legitgov.org/attack_on_fort_hood_051 109.html
To view 'Thinking Anew--Security Priorities for the Next Administration', click http://www.gwumc.gwu.edu/hspi/policy/PTTFProc eedingsReport.pdf
Posted by MarkOller at 11/08/2009 @ 01:35am
Maj. Hasan shouted "Allah Akbar" before murdering 13 soldiers according to eye witness accounts. Maj. Hasan posted comments about how suicide bombers were the same as soldiers who threw themselves on grenades to protect their fellow soldiers. Maj. Hasan said that Muslims should rise up against American aggressors. Maj. Hasan praised the murder of two US soldiers in Little Rock.
Maj. Hasan's spiritual mentor for ten years was Iman Faizul Khan of the Silver Springs mosque. The mosque was built with Saudi money. Mr. Khan is also a director of the Islamic Society of North America, a front group for the Muslim Brotherhood. The motto of the Muslim Brotherhood is "God is our objective, the Quran is our Constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our way, and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations."
This does not mean that all Muslims are terrorists. It does mean that Saudi are using our oil money to spread Wahhabi/Salafist totalitarian theocracy around the world.
The US has not been spared; many of the US mosques are staffed by people trained in Saudi Arabia; US military chaplains and prison chaplains are chosen by an organization established by the Muslim Brotherhood, organizations like CAIR and the Muslim Students Association were also organized by the Muslim Brotherhood. These organizations do not engage in terrorism; they do create the mindset that allows some members to progress to the next stage and act upon the beliefs they have been taught.
Faizul Khan taught Maj. Hasan. Maj. Hasan is an Islamic terrorist. It is the way that Wahabbi's wage war.
Posted by FreedomTexas at 11/08/2009 @ 03:54am
This blog exposes the contradictory lies: "Questions about an early AP Ft. Hood shooting article." http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread5174 07/pg1
I can almost see the ad-hominems already. This is a conspiracy blog! Why don't I consult some responsible sources of information, like the lying mass media. What I do not expect are rational arguments. When one is lying, one can resort to censorship, name calling, intimidation or force, but never rational arguments.
Posted by MarkOller at 11/08/2009 @ 04:53am
The "Questions about an early AP Ft. Hood shooting article" ATS blog has an excellent link.
Everything About Nidal Malik Hasan Screams "Patsy"
Killer's pre-rampage behavior is completely at odds with the idea of him preparing to massacre more than a dozen of his colleagues.
Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet.com Friday, November 6, 2009
The Empire strikes back right when when public support for the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan sinks to all time lows, an anti-war Islamic extremist with links to suicide bombers goes on a shooting rampage at a U.S. army base, reinvigorating support for the war on terror and demonizing opposition to it as anti-American extremism.... http://www.prisonplanet.com/everything-about- nidal-malik-hasan-screams-patsy.html
Posted by MarkOller at 11/08/2009 @ 05:53am
Are you proud of the company you keep. Posted by gangpapist at 11/07/2009 @ 4:54pm |
Can I hate the IDF without being a "Jew-hater"?
Can I hate the orders you were given without hating you?
Can I have 50% of my taxes back, get off your 'free ride', and defend myself?
Posted by snowball777 at 11/08/2009 @ 08:03am
Posted by snowball777 at 11/08/2009 @ 08:03am | ignore this person | warn this person
Snowball...I fed that troll until he reached a condition of morbid obesity. I realize now it's best to ignore him.
Posted by rykart at 11/08/2009 @ 09:20am
Posted by rykart at 11/08/2009 @ 09:20am |
Gang is usually one of the more intelligent con posters here and I'd be cheating myself to filter his particularly virulent brand of vitriol.
I may not agree with him, but the brother has a way with language that I often can't help but step back and admire.
Posted by snowball777 at 11/08/2009 @ 09:29am
I may not agree with him, but the brother has a way with language that I often can't help but step back and admire. Posted by snowball777 at 11/08/2009 @ 09:29am | ignore this person | warn this person
After his laughably clumsy attempt to inject a fake quote of Martin Luther King into the discussion to lend an air of moral respectability to his depraved commentary, followed by the usual heart-rending squeals of "Anti-semite! Anti-Semite!" he became just another insufferable bore.
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/08/2009 @ 10:15am
Can I hate the IDF without being a "Jew-hater"?
NO
Can I hate the orders you were given without hating you?
NO
Can I have 50% of my taxes back, get off your 'free ride', and defend myself?
NO
Posted by snowball777 at 11/08/2009 @ 08:03am | ignore this person
Posted by antisocialist at 11/08/2009 @ 10:36am
Instead of getting all wound up about Israel, you guys need to start worrying about your Home Land Security. It will be a big bomb on a commuter train next.
Posted by fibogel at 11/08/2009 @ 12:18pm
oneuniverse: SmashIsrael, didn't the Nazi's speak of the Jews as you do, in terms of germs and bacteria?
SmashIsrael: "Yes..I believe so. That's why it's so painful to see the Israelis willfully transform themselves to conform to the worst anti-Semitic stereotypes of Jews. It's as though they are trying to validate the Nazi conception of what a Jew is."
Can you give me an example, o regurgitator of Nazi propaganda?
The Jews in Israel didn't start the regional violence, nor have they been the ones fighting a genocidal war.
Posted by oneuniverse at 11/08/2009 @ 12:29pm
Posted by antisocialist at 11/08/2009 @ 10:36am |
So flexible...so adaptable...so full of it.
Posted by snowball777 at 11/08/2009 @ 12:35pm
The Jews in Israel didn't start the regional violence, nor have they been the ones fighting a genocidal war. Posted by oneuniverse at 11/08/2009 @ 12:29pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Someone ought to tell this mixed up Goldstone fellow about your trenchant analysis of the situation, because he seems to be under the impression (along with the rest of the world) that it is the Israelis who have waged a genocidal war of aggression, bombing hospitals, schools, playgrounds and mosques, bulldozing chicken farms and agricultural lands, destroying thousands of olive trees, incinerating children with phosphorus, shooting civilians, blocking emergency services from reaching victims, leaving injured children to die and be eaten by dogs and subsequently forbidding foodstuffs and rebuilding materials to the terrorized population they ruthlessly attacked, (after breaking the ceasefire on november 4th).
..SmashIsrael
Posted by rykart at 11/08/2009 @ 1:36pm
Anyone who believes it's all about Islam is showing their complete ignorance through their own racist based fear.
What religion was Seung-Hui Cho who shot and killed people at V-Tech? What religion was Steven Kazmierczak who shot and killed people at N. Illinois? What religion was Timothy McVey who blew up the OK City Building?
Do you know? And does it matter in these shootings?
This is a man who was obviously troubled, unstable, but to say that his name, his religion or his background is suddenly "says a lot" you are an idiot.
Posted by mschafer at 11/05/2009 @ 10:43pm
There was no reason to frame Seung-Hui Cho orSteven Kazmierczak, but Timothy McVeigh and Major Nidal Malik Hasan were obvious patsies. They join a long list, including Lee Harvey Oswald, Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, Osama bin Laden, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Ayman al Zawahiri and many less well known patsies.
Posted by MarkOller at 11/08/2009 @ 3:13pm
the live television broadcasts from Oklahoma City said that a bomb exploded in the Murrah federal building, and two more were defused. It was physically impossible for the fertilizer bomb to cause as much damage to the bomb resistant structure. Besides making a shambles of the first floor, all it would have done is break a lot of windows. Download "The Oklahoma City Bombing: Were there additional explosive charges and additional bombers?"
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITI CS/OK/ok.html
This is a transcript from one of the live tv broadcasts:
"...here's now what we are starting to learn about the succession, or what someone obviously hoped would be a succession of explosions. The first bomb that was in the federal building did go off ... the second explosive was found and defused. The third explosive that was found and they are working on it right now ... both the second and third explosives, if you can imagine this, were larger than the first. ... It is just incredible to think that there was that much heavy artillery that was somehow moved into the downtown Oklahoma City federal building." "...this is the work of a sophisticated group, this is a very sophisticated device, and it has to have been done by an explosives expert."
A link to the broadcast is also provided.
Posted by MarkOller at 11/08/2009 @ 3:24pm
McVeigh's "Confession"
You were told there was only ONE explosion to blow up the MURRAH BUILDING? Listen to the News....again!...
Jon Roland
McVeigh's "Confession"
Fri Mar 30 10:35:19 2001
McVeigh's "Confession"
Associates can confirm that I have been predicting for a long time that there would be a "confession" by Timothy McVeigh contrived by the Establishment to counter the widespread suspicions of government complicity in the Oklahoma City bombing of April 19, 1995. I predicted that it would come out in a book, allegedly based on interviews by "independent" journalists. It would be accompanied by a full-court PR campaign involving all the major media.
Now that my prediction has been fulfilled, it is time to comment on this event.... http://www.apfn.org/apfn/mcveigh2.htm
Posted by MarkOller at 11/08/2009 @ 3:29pm
Posted by antisocialist at 11/08/2009 @ 10:36am |
So flexible...so adaptable...so full of it.
Posted by snowball777 at 11/08/2009 @ 12:35pm
No, only the the 3rd statement correctly mirrors your politics.
euro-socialist democracy which you and your fellow libs uphold is a threat to freedom which requires flexibility and adaptability. Your big govt cannot accomodate freedom and adaptability.
Posted by antisocialist at 11/08/2009 @ 3:33pm
euro-socialist democracy which you and your fellow libs uphold is a threat to freedom which requires flexibility and adaptability. Your big govt cannot accomodate freedom and adaptability. Posted by antisocialist at 11/08/2009 @ 3:33pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Don't sell yourself short. You'd make a superb Soviet apparatchik (or more likely, Khmer Rouge functionary)--all brainless sloganeering, no substance of any kind.
Posted by rykart at 11/08/2009 @ 3:50pm
Why aren't opponents of the Manson family guilty of the unspeakable crime of anti-Mansonism? Is it because Mansonites lack the numbers and clout to get away with labeling all opponents, bigots?
Posted by MarkOller at 11/08/2009 @ 3:59pm
Posted by antisocialist at 11/08/2009 @ 3:33pm |
Yeah...that MIC is sooo svelte.
At least I can still distinguish shades of gray, robot.
Posted by snowball777 at 11/08/2009 @ 4:00pm
I feel "horror" at the fact that John Nichols sees thought-crime (disapproval of an ideology Ie. Islam) as being worse than murder. In reality, the thought-crime of "Islamophobia" is no worse than "Nazismphobia". Political correctness dictates that we must condemn those guilty of "Islamophobia" and sweep any criticisms of the ideology under the carpet no matter their accuracy.
Apparently John Nichols knows THE correct version of Islam better than an actual muslim, labeling the suspect an"imperfect follower of Islam" with a "warped understanding of his religion". In making these statements, Nichols accidentally concedes that the massacre occurred due to this man's religion. What an assumption! Is he not just as guilty as any right-winger of prejudice in assuming this killing spree has anything to do with his religion?! Or has he hit the nail on the head?
Let's wait for more information before jumping to conclusions please!
Posted by Lando at 11/08/2009 @ 5:02pm
This anti Israeli ,Muslim,Catholic,Methodist,and in the final analysis people stuff should find a new home.Preferably in a place far away from anybody.I don't list 37 web sites of hate.Markoller thanks for showing us the hate front.I'm glad that's your name.
Posted by whatozz at 11/08/2009 @ 5:13pm
To smashisrael and all other Jew-haters:
That your warped thinking, and hence, your warped rhetoric following it, attempt to equate the very-real Israeli compassion-for-humanity and unprecedented carefulness (in warning innocent Arab civilians of impending strikes -- thereby allowing them time to evacuate unharmed) with the barbaric butchery of the Nazis (and the jihadist fundamentalist Muslims who study, revere, embrace, and mimic them in their thoughts, strategies, tactics and deadly actions) is hardly a surprise anymore; in fact, it's rather "old hat" by now.
The big change, rather, is NOT the fact that YOU (and many others like you) exist -- after all, the likes of you have been around for eternity -- just pick a century -- any century -- and you'll see yourself there -- but that the REST OF US are beginning to wake up and see you for what you are. Previously, we believed we could reason with you, by presenting well-thought-out arguments, facts and other evidence: surely THAT could not fail to make you see the truth! But now, we're smarter: we recognize that you have NO interest in seeing or admitting the truth; all you want is to accomplish the dismantling and destruction of our society, which you despise to no end. Nothing short of that complete and utter destruction will suffice for you; you DO NOT want simple revision or reformation. Hence, there CAN BE NO reasoning with you, for you see NO problem in using deception as a means to achieve your "noble" ends (does the name "Saul Alinsky" ring a bell?)
I thank God that we as a nation are now waking up to the real character and intentions of you, and those like you. And that soon, we will be more occupied with hanging your asses from the nearest trees, rather than foolishly trying to "reason" with you.
Posted by AngelofDeath at 11/08/2009 @ 5:27pm
Except for me, no one on this blog questions whether Major Hasan is guilty, despite all the contradictory absurdities and despite the overwhelming stench of false flag terrorism. I have yet to see any proof that Hasan is even a Muslim, but participating in the Homeland Security Task Force conference does not scream Muslim.
THINKING ANEW--SECURITY PRIORITIES FOR THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION
Kevin Gundersen U.S. House of Representatives Jeff Gunnulfsen National Petrochemical &. Refiners Association Vikram Gupta Homeland Security Institute David Hagy U.S. Department of Justice Ronna Halbgewachs The George Washington University Amanda Halpern U.S. House of Representatives Beth Hampton Homeland Security Institute Nidal Hasan Uniformed Services University School of Medicine Donald Hawkins U.S. Department of Homeland Security Eric Heighberger Homeland Security Council Jessica Herrera-Flanigan Monument Policy LLC R. Denton Herring U.S. House of Representatives Andrew Herrmann National Counterterrorism Center Greg Holmes Holmes Management Group Milton Hoenig Nuclear Physicist and Author Jonathan Hoffman U.S. Department of Homeland Security David Hutchison Embassy of Canada Spencer Hsu Washington Post Kwei-Bo Huang Johns Hopkins University David Jennings Homeland Security Institute Venilde Jeronimo The George Washington University Fernando Jimenez Interamerican Investment Corporation Jean Johnson The George Washington University Beth Jones U.S. Department of Homeland Security Ed Jopeck SRA International, Inc. Paul Joyal
http://www.gwumc.gwu.edu/hspi/policy/PTTFProceedingsReport.pdf
Posted by MarkOller at 11/08/2009 @ 5:40pm
Posted by AngelofDeath at 11/08/2009 @ 5:27pm | ignore this person | warn this person
ah..the angel of death. Sure. The one who "passes over" the homes of the Jews to kill the first born Arab child. As I'm jewish, I remember it quite well from all the seders I've attended every year since I was..oh probably YOUR age.
What are you by the way..five? Six?
You are right about one thing--comparisons of the Israelis with the Nazis IS "old hat." Albert Einstein (and 30 other prominent Jews) made the comparison way back in 1948!
http://tiny.cc/R2ZqC
Posted by rykart at 11/08/2009 @ 6:02pm
Posted by AngelofDeath at 11/08/2009 @ 5:27pm | ignore this person | warn this person
A guy who uses Josef Mengele's nickname as a handle calls ME a "Jew hater."
I guess that's a first.
Back to the zoo with you and the rest of your Zionazi pals.
Posted by rykart at 11/08/2009 @ 6:18pm
Clearly, Mr. Nichols argues from ignorance.
"Islamophobia" by definition means an "irrational fear of Islam." If Islam requires violence against non-Muslims, then non-Muslims' exposing and condemning that fact is not only NOT "Islamophobia," it's self-defense.
So, the question is: Was Hasan acting in obedience to his god's commands and his prophet's example or not?
Fourteen hundred years of global jihad against non-Muslims -- including 9/11 and more than 14,000 documented terrorist attacks since then -- argue strongly for Islam's role in Islamic terrorism.
More than that, what do Allah and his apostle require for non-Muslims?
Only slavery or death for those who refuse the "invitation" to Islam:
"the Messenger of Allah . . . would say: 'Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. . . . When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. . . . Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them . . .'" (Muslim Book 19, Number 4294).
"fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) . . . " (Qur'an 9:5).
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Qur'an 9:29).
Posted by Amillennialist at 11/08/2009 @ 7:06pm
Here are only a few more relevant passages:
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter . . . " (Qur'an 5:33). [Ibn Kathir says of this verse: "'Wage war' mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil." So, Muhammad requires execution, crucifixion, or cutting off hands and feet from opposite sides for "disbelief."]
"Allah's Apostle said: 'I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle . . . '" (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24).
"It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise" (Qur'an 8:67).
"Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been made victorious with terror'" (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220).
"Allah's Apostle was asked, 'What is the best deed?' He replied, 'To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad).' The questioner then asked, 'What is the next (in goodness)?' He replied, 'To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause.' The questioner again asked, 'What is the next (in goodness)?' He replied, 'To perform Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca). . .'" (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25).
Posted by Amillennialist at 11/08/2009 @ 7:07pm
One more:
"Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone (in the whole of the world). But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do" (Qur'an 8:38; ayah 39 from Noble Qur'an).
Many other passages demonstrate that Muhammad "sacralized" genocide, child-rape, rape, mutilation, slavery, extortion, religious and gender apartheid, and anti-Semitism.
John Nichols, B. Hussein Obama, and every other person refusing to reach -- not "jump to" -- the only rational conclusion, do so out of ignorance, perversion, or malice.
Don't let your hatred of America or Christians impair your sense of self-preservation. When Islam is ascendant, those considered "pagans" by it will find Muhammad no gentle master.
Posted by Amillennialist at 11/08/2009 @ 7:12pm
I am curious, would John Nichols write the same in regards to a transgression by a Christian? Could we expect to see a comment like ""There was clearly something wrong with this imperfect follower of Christianity. But that does not mean that there is something wrong with Christianity" in his blog? Would he state that "Enlightened Americans ... should be unsettled by the rush to judgment regarding not just this one Christian but all Christians." Would he decry a growing sense of "Christophobia" in the world? Just curious. I am guessing probably not. Wonder if that makes him a hypocrite?
Posted by jpe0763 at 11/08/2009 @ 7:12pm
I am curious, would John Nichols write the same in regards to a transgression by a Christian? Could we expect to see a comment like ""There was clearly something wrong with this imperfect follower of Christianity. But that does not mean that there is something wrong with Christianity" in his blog? Would he state that "Enlightened Americans ... should be unsettled by the rush to judgment regarding not just this one Christian but all Christians." Would he decry a growing sense of "Christophobia" in the world? Just curious. I am guessing probably not. Wonder if that makes him a hypocrite?
Posted by jpe0763 at 11/08/2009 @ 7:12pm
Hey, rykart!
Apparently, it's not enough, for you to be one sick-thinking jackass; you also seem determined to prove that you're a stupid one.
(1) "ah..the angel of death. Sure. The one who "passes over" the homes of the Jews to kill the first born Arab child. As I'm jewish, I remember it quite well from all the seders I've attended every year since I was..oh probably YOUR age."
aaahhh . . . passes over the homes of the JEWS, to kill the first-born ARAB child . . . " -- REALLY? may I ask, what exactly WERE first-born ARAB children doing in "the homes of the Jews," anyway? How could you be so ignorant? no, let me re-phrase that: since you can't HELP being ignorant, how can you be so moronic as to so obviously display it in public, for all to see?
So, just fyi: the Angel of Death killed the first-born male children in the homes of ARABS -- NOT the homes of Jews . . . duh . . . btw, I'm so glad that you "remember it quite well, from all the seders [you've] attended every year" -- great comprehension and memory of what the Haggadah says, , there! Congratulations!
(2) "As I'm jewish ... " -- this does NOT surprise me: the world has ALWAYS been full of self-hating Jews, like you. The fact that you refuse (or don't know enough) to capitalize the word "Jewish" is especially revealing -- though, as I've said, NOT surprising.
(3) "You are right about one thing--comparisons of the Israelis with the Nazis IS "old hat." Albert Einstein (and 30 other prominent Jews) made the comparison way back in 1948!"
Oh, yeah? That's news to me! How about providing a specific link to a VALID source that documents and confirms that claim? Hmmmm . . . didn't think so . . .
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Posted by AngelofDeath at 11/08/2009 @ 7:25pm
{to rykart -- cont'd from previous post]:
Perhaps you are misleadingly (THAT'S nothing new for you -- right, fake Jew??) referring to THIS quote, from Einstein:
"We thought [Israel] would be better than other nations, but it was no better."
Of course, YOU read that as: "Israel = Nazis" -- right?? In your warped mind. Schmuck. Like I said before: Thank God the country is finally beginning to awaken from its slumber, and soon, we will cease to debate you (since you have zero interest in sincere debate, regardless of what you portray -- Cf.: my original post) and begin to eliminate you -- just as you seek to eliminate us, and our free and glorious society and Constitution. Test the branches, and order the rope; Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition!
Posted by AngelofDeath at 11/08/2009 @ 7:29pm
The best way for Muslims to prevent islamaphobia it to have Muslims not perform acts of terror. How are we to be Islamaphilic when Muslims behead, slit throats and entence women for public flogging and stoning.
Barnaby
Posted by barnaby at 11/08/2009 @ 7:30pm
just another thought, rykart:
Funny -- that my original post was addressed to smashisrael "and all other Jew-haters" -- which resulted in YOU immediately crawling out of the woodwork, to identify yourself!
Probably the ONLY true thing you ever did . . . !
Take care, Jew-hater! Keep lookin' over ya shoulder . . . LOL
Posted by AngelofDeath at 11/08/2009 @ 7:38pm
Anyone who defends a muslim and Islam should be deemed a traitor and executed immediately! They are terrorists and Obama is the leader!
Posted by sdfsdfsdfsdf at 11/08/2009 @ 7:41pm
(3) "You are right about one thing--comparisons of the Israelis with the Nazis IS "old hat." Albert Einstein (and 30 other prominent Jews) made the comparison way back in 1948!" Oh, yeah? That's news to me! How about providing a specific link to a VALID source that documents and confirms that claim? Hmmmm . . . didn't think so . . .
Posted by AngelofDeath at 11/08/2009 @ 7:25pm | ignore this person | warn this person
I already provided a link to Einstein's letter to the NY Times. Here it is again for the blind and mentally impaired:
http://tiny.cc/R2ZqC
Oh yeah..Einstein didn't think much of the silly religion of Judaism or Israel's preposterous claims of "chosen-ness" either.
http://tiny.cc/Ltizr
One last question, Mengele--then we're done.
Why do Israelis smell the way they do?
Posted by rykart at 11/08/2009 @ 7:45pm
A: So BLIND people can hate them too!
Posted by rykart at 11/08/2009 @ 7:45pm
Can somebody explain to me how we can believe this is religion of peace if: Qur'an 2:191 "And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Tabari IX:69 "Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us." How should I understand this? From LA TIMES - Muslim groups participated in a conference call Friday with federal agencies -- including the Homeland Security and Justice departments -- to discuss Muslim Americans' safety. They are killing us and they are going protect them? Who will protect us against Muslims?
Posted by jarha at 11/08/2009 @ 7:57pm
It is a rare coincidence, I guess, that all of the murderers in cases like these happen to be Muslims who yell Alahu Akbar. We shouldn't connect the dots here. We should be like the frog who just relaxes and lets himself be boiled slowly.
Did anyone here know that Obama has appointed a Muslim born in syria to the position of Deputy Director of Home Land Security. It's great to know that we are so well protected.
Is anyone getting feed up with this crap or is it just me.
Posted by nunzio at 11/08/2009 @ 7:59pm
Hey Nichols, Can you possibly stick your head any farther up your ass?
Posted by schifty at 11/08/2009 @ 8:19pm
Posted by nunzio at 11/08/2009 @ 7:59pm |
Find an enlistment center...they need your help with Af-Pak.
Posted by snowball777 at 11/08/2009 @ 8:40pm
Mr. Nichols, where did you get your misinformation on President Thomas Jefferson? President Jefferson studied those korans not because of his "respect" for muslims, but because he was dealing with jihadist pirates who were messing with American ships! Please get your history right! And, stop making excuses for a terrorist attack by a jihadist. Do you really think that a jihadist would spare your life because you push political correctness nonsense? Get out of the fog of "diversity is a good thing", and start realizing that race and skin color don't count! Good character, and not murdering our fellow Man, makes for better citizens.
Posted by Janene333 at 11/08/2009 @ 8:43pm
The Koran is very explicit in its urging of Jihad. The Islamists who kill 'infidels' get their marching orders for mass murder out of the Koran. Maybe people like Nichols ought to take Islam seriously enough to actually read the Koran, in which he will find out that Islam does, in fact, teach that they are to murder us Christians and Jews.
The world likes to act like none of this is their business. Wise men need to study the book of this false religion of Islam, and warn the world and the followers of the consequences if they continue to follow a book that contains violent threats toward other cultures who do not follow the tenets in the Koran. If the Islamic followers of the Koran intend to kill the rest of us if we do not convert, they need to be warned, and then isolated, and their ability to kill needs to be impeded, by whatever means we can come up with.
Posted by chichilouise at 11/08/2009 @ 8:44pm
oh god what a bunch of horseshit you silly racists vomit up! Now you're all Koranic scholars?
I guess 99.999% of the worlds billion+ Moslems are BAD Moslems who completely ignore the teachings of the Koran, given that they lead completely peaceful lives and bother no one.
Posted by rykart at 11/08/2009 @ 8:49pm
i attribute these bloodthirsty and murderous urges PRECISELY TO THE WORDS FOUND THEREIN...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/06/2009 @ 4:33pm
so the santa claus killer dude did it because he had been reading "the night before christmas"?
Posted by frosty zoom at 11/08/2009 @ 8:56pm
so many wasted electrons....
Posted by frosty zoom at 11/08/2009 @ 8:59pm
Malik Nidal Hasan Is a terrorist and Islam is a cult not a religion Religions encourage a personal relationship with God and seek to increase understanding. Islam insists only on absolute slavery. Can children that repeat the Koran over and over and over again be really said to be getting wisdom? No they are simply being brainwashed to the point where they cannot think or dare to criticise or simply question many of the contentious issues. They have spent their lives learning a book that they are not then about to reform or even question but simply parrot passages. What are he attributes of a cult.
1.A leader (dead or alive) who is considered absolutely infallible. 2.Proscribed food and dress. Everyone must adhere to the standard. 3.Repetitive and frequent sessions to reinforce behaviour. 4.Violent and often brutal treatment of backsliders or people that wish to leave. 5.A cult tells you what God is like. No individual contact with God. 6.Regulation of every aspect of the day. From dawn to dusk. 7.The leader often breaks his own rules set for the others. 8.Outsiders are demonised and cult members are discouraged from contact or friendship with people outside the cult. 9.Cults are never tolerant. 10.Obsessive ways of doing things are a hallmark of a cult. 11.Emulation of the leader. 12.Absolute certainty that they are right. No doubt is allowed or encouraged.
Posted by Cultname at 11/08/2009 @ 9:50pm
Thanks, SmashIsrael, for taking on some of the wackjobs, here. Some of these vermin would annihilate the entire City of Los Angeles just to make sure they killed all the potential abortion doctors, Muslims, 'liberals' or who whoever they hate most this week.
And as a partial Jew myself I'm sick beyond words at the racism used by Israel's defenders to justify heinous crimes, but I'm also proud there are at least a few such as yourself who have the guts to speak truth to some very powerful people.
Posted by DejaVu at 11/08/2009 @ 9:54pm
And as a partial Jew myself I'm sick beyond words at the racism used by Israel's defenders to justify heinous crimes, but I'm also proud there are at least a few such as yourself who have the guts to speak truth to some very powerful people. Posted by DejaVu at 11/08/2009 @ 9:54pm | ignore this person | warn this person
thanks deja! As I mentioned elsewhere, the pro-israel cult has begun devouring their own. We see the Israeli foreign minister publicly calling Judge Goldstone-- a pro-Israel, lifelong Zionist....what else?....an anti-Semite! The people who aren't laughing at the insanity of the Israelis are outraged and repulsed at the way they have turned the term 'anti-Semite' into a cheesy joke.
Israel is becoming more like the republican party every day. Anyone even approximately sane has fled their ranks or been purged so that they are now represented by textbook psychotics like Limbaugh and Palin. If anything, the pro-Israel dead-enders are even further gone. They've all got one foot in the asylum. In some cases, both feet.
Posted by rykart at 11/08/2009 @ 10:30pm
For the non-Disney version of Judaism, and honest translations of Jewish holy books, read Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years, by Israel Shahak.
http://members.tripod.com/alabasters_archive/jew ish_history.html
It is will not take long. It is only 103 pages.
Learn how the Ashkenazi master race treats Arab Jews. Download The Jews of Iraq, by Naeim Giladi. http://www.nkusa.org/Historical_Documents/Naei mGiladi.cfm
Posted by MarkOller at 11/08/2009 @ 10:42pm
First idiot to be addressed:
rykart: you said:
"You are right about one thing--comparisons of the Israelis with the Nazis IS "old hat." Albert Einstein (and 30 other prominent Jews) made the comparison way back in 1948!"
when asked for proof of this , you said:
"I already provided a link to Einstein's letter to the NY Times. Here it is again for the blind and mentally impaired:"
I want to thank you for relieving me of the task of exposing you for the fraud that you are -- by doing it FOR me, yourself. How can you be so stupid? Did you really think that no one would read the letter your link refers to -- and see plainly that Einstein is speaking about ONE specific political party, and especially ONE person within that ONE party -- NOT about Israel itself? But you sought to convey the idea that Einstein had compared Israel ITSELF to the Nazis. I'm just happy you did this, so that everyone can now see plainly for themselves (and not have to take MY word for it, on faith) this concrete example of how you lefties use outright lies, misinformation, disinformation, and other propaganda to achieve your goals. (Again: for those interested: Cf: Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" -- it's their Bible!) That's probably the main reason why you're better off dead, than alive -- you are evil at the very core. Deception has ALWAYS been the favored instrument of the Devil. Hey, just call me the Exorcist . . . !
Second idiot to be addressed:
DejaVu: Just for the record: I personally am not one to favor the annihilation of "the entire City of Los Angeles" just to exterminate all the Jew-haters therein. That's a bit excessive. However, I wouldn't lose any sleep over vaporizing just ONE city block -- IF it contained the house where Jew-haters like you reside.
Posted by AngelofDeath at 11/08/2009 @ 11:20pm
Why was Maj. Hasan in the military? Read about how our government has and is actively recruiting more like Hasan at : http://nocompromisemedia.com . What happens next time one of these closet Jihadis gets "switched on" and starts blasting his "fellow soldiers" in their sleep to satisfy the Jihadi blood-lust? What if the next time, it is a 155mm Howitzer crew that goes Jihadi; will they shell a nearby town or city? Or, will they shell the nearby airport? Why is our government debasing themselves to be "welcoming" to this subversive group? It is akin to the hiring of Waffen SS to our military Officer ranks in WW2 or hiring known and trained Kamikaze pilots to fly our bombers over our own cities (also in WW2). There is NO GOOD REASON to be seeking PAGAN MOON-GOD WORSHIPERS (The Cult of Death--Islam) to trusted military or other government positions. To continue to hire the enemy (remember, they declared war on us) in our military is nearly the pinnacle of foolishness. Hiring The Obama for President is THE pinnacle.
Posted by KarlinPhoenix at 11/08/2009 @ 11:42pm
I really condemn these acts; it not only sin but an unlawful act. It is really sad how the mainstream media has stereotyped this individual; just because he has an Arab name, it does not mean he is Muslim. Or even worst, they linked him to terrorists. Our soldiers(WHITE, BLACK, HISPANICS...) are being sent just to protect the interest of the upper class. They are spending our money to protect oil premises that are owned by the oil industry. Instead, the government should bring our troops back home and spend all those trillions of dollars on the well-being of their citizens. This should not be happening without war. We are sometimes called unpatriotic, but I not am because I love my country. This is why I am writing this- to criticize our government with their injustices among the American people. Iraq war is really worthless because we are losing our soldiers, and most of all because they are spending my tax dollars.
Posted by jcruz1996 at 11/08/2009 @ 11:49pm
I am a former Muslim and feel that I am one of the most qulaified to speak to this subject. The problem with Malik Hasan was that he is too perfect of a follower of Islam. Moderate Muslims do not know their Qur'an and thus put a moderate face to Islam. Maj Hasan was trying to follow the teachings of the Qur'an and apply them to his life, thus you get a radical Muslim which actully is the only result if a Muslim follows the Qur'an like a "good" Muslim is supposed to.
The Islamic ideology does not seek cooperation or assimilation but aims for submission and dominance over non-Muslims. There is no moderate Islam, there will never be a moderate Islam. There might be moderate people who call themselves Muslim, but there is no moderate Islam
Posted by Murtad at 11/09/2009 @ 06:11am
I would suggest that everyone read the Koran...
This is the only so called religion that calls for its followers to take over the world for Allah, to do so by force if need be.. To not tolerate any other belief system.. Remember, evil will flourish among any group if that group allows it.. Or others defeat it..
Liberals use every instance of illegal gun use to further rants against guns.. Yet when a Muslim follows his religion in destroying infidels, they preach tolerance and call those who are alarmed by it, Islamophobes..
The difference is Muslims are called by their religion to war against Infidels... Gun owners are not taught to use their guns for illegal purposes... Some do... but that is not tolerated by gun owners any more than non gun owners...
Posted by BrainBurps at 11/09/2009 @ 06:44am
BrainBurps,
Have you read the Koran? Have you also read the Bible and the Talmud? I certainly haven't, but I am aware that the Koran and the New Testament describe eternal hellfire, and the Talmud includes a hell boiling excrement.
Robert Ingersoll (1833 - 1899) was an inflammatory anti-religious lecturer, and every lecture denounced the doctrine of hell in the strongest terms imaginable. He said if this doctrine is true, "all heretics should be burned at the stake, along with their books." This is a quote from his lecture "Hell."
The old church at Stratford-on-Avon, Shakespeare's home, is adorned with pictures of hell and the like. One of the pictures represents resurrection morning. People are getting out of their graves, and devils are catching hold of their heels. In one place there is a huge brass monster, and devils are driving scores of lost souls into his mouth. Over hot fires hang cauldrons with fifty and sixty people in each, and devils are poking the fires. People are hung up on hooks by their tongues, and devils are lashing them. Up in the right-hand corner are some of the saved, with grins on their faces stretching from ear to ear. They seem to say: "Aha, what did I tell you?"
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/lectures/hell.html
Robert Ingersoll would not be tolerated in this Orwellian age for an instant. Every religious bigot and mass murder would brand him a bigot.
Posted by MarkOller at 11/09/2009 @ 08:40am
Murtad, Thank you for your comments about your previous ideology. Few people really become enlightened and leave Islam. All of the stories I hear of people who have left Islam say similar things about the following of the Qur'an. To be like Muhammad and follow the Qur'an is to be what is known as "Radical Islam" but only these are the people following the "TRUE" Islam.
Most people do not believe what you so simply put about the truth of Islam: " .... Islamic ideology does not seek cooperation or assimilation but aims for submission and dominance over non-Muslims. There is no moderate Islam, there will never be a moderate Islam". Islam's intention today is world domination, just as it was in the 7th Century, under Muhammad. Muslims come to America as Jihadis or as population builders (Islam encourages polygamy, which IS practiced in America by this subversive group).
Most people do not know what the "penalty" is for leaving Islam: DEATH! To leave Islam is Apostasy and the penalty for Apostasy it DEATH. Any Muslim can walk up to you and KILL YOU and it is not a sin for them to do it.
Posted by KarlinPhoenix at 11/09/2009 @ 08:44am
Islam is not so much a religion as it is a political ideology and a cult (The Cult of Death). Allah is not the God that all people worship, contrary to what the liars of Islam like to say. Instead, Allah is the PAGAN Moon God of the ancient, pre-Muhammad Arabian Peninsula. Muhammad repackaged the old PAGAN Moon-God Cult and called it Islam. The Moon God is a blood-thirsty devil and Muhammad was an apt "Prophet" for this Moon God.
Muhammad was a child-molesting, caravan robbing, slave taking, murderer of bound captives (he personally killed by chopping-off the heads of many hundreds of bound captive men and boys, right in front of the wives and children).
The Cult of Death (Islam) should be outlawed by America, not coddled and bowed-down to by our military and government. Will the next military member who "GOES JIHADI" ram a passenger-filled Civilian airplane with his military jet? Will an artillery crew suddenly start shelling a nearby town or city (20 miles away)! Will the "turned Jihadi" use one of our artillery missiles to kill hundreds of us, here in America?
It is only a matter of WHEN not "IF" for this evil to take place.
Posted by KarlinPhoenix at 11/09/2009 @ 08:46am
Nichols writes: "[Senator Hutchison] might also have noted that thousands of Muslims serve honorably, indeed heroically, in the U.S. military"
Excuse me, John, but how does one serve "honorably" in an imperialist military, except by subverting that military? From what I know so far, the only Muslims that have acted "honorably, indeed heroically" inside the U.S. military have been Sgt. Hasan Akbar and, now, Major Malik Nidal Hasan. If there are any others, they probably did their good work covertly and didn't get caught.
As for The Council on American-Islamic Relations and the Muslim Public Affairs Council, they are better supporters of the U.S.-Israel anti-Muslim axis than is AIPAC. With friends like these in the U.S., the Arab and Muslim targets of Zionism and U.S. imperialism don't need enemies.
Posted by RedAaron at 11/09/2009 @ 09:09am
"Get out of the fog of "diversity is a good thing", and start realizing that race and skin color don't count! Good character, and not murdering our fellow Man, makes for better citizens."
This person must have originated on another planet. What country does he think he is directing his comment to.
Posted by jobbo at 11/09/2009 @ 09:37am
Posted by AngelofDeath at 11/08/2009 @ 11:20pm |
"DejaVu: Just for the record: I personally am not one to favor the annihilation of "the entire City of Los Angeles" just to exterminate all the Jew-haters therein."
Of course not, you'd annihilate Beverly Hills, Hollywood, and all the Jews therein along with them.
Posted by snowball777 at 11/09/2009 @ 09:41am
From Debka.com
"Hasan's classmates at military courses in 2007-2008 quoted the US-born major of Palestinian parents as quite openly justifying suicide bombing and telling classmates that Islamic law trumped the US Constitution. One said students had complained to their professors but no action was taken."
There must be an investigation as to why this man was still allowed to serve in our country's military.
Posted by mjkoch at 11/09/2009 @ 10:08am
Hey Mengele,
Glad you got your baby sitter to read you Einstein's letter.
But you FORGOT to mention the "one man" referred to went on to become Israel's prime minister.
You FORGOT to mention that members of the very same Nazi worm cult have been major players in Israel's leadership ever since.
You FORGOT to mention that Tzipi Livni's father was a member of this same Nazi worm cult.
You FORGOT to mention that the racist ideology of this Nazi worm cult has pervaded every aspect of Israeli society since the founding of the state.
You forgot to mention that Israel's CURRENT loathsome filthball Benjamin Netanyahu remains an ardent fan of this same Nazi worm cult and publicly supports its terrorist activities:
http://tiny.cc/v3lXN
You forgot all that.
Or maybe, you really don't know a hell of a lot about the ebola virus of a state you so rabidly support?
Posted by rykart at 11/09/2009 @ 10:23am
Most people do not know what the "penalty" is for leaving Islam: DEATH! To leave Islam is Apostasy and the penalty for Apostasy it DEATH. Any Muslim can walk up to you and KILL YOU and it is not a sin for them to do it. Posted by KarlinPhoenix at 11/09/2009 @ 08:44am | ignore this person | warn this person
Sure.
And Bonnie Tyler invented chess.
Posted by rykart at 11/09/2009 @ 11:38am
Posted by Amillennialist at 11/08/2009 @ 7:12pm | ignore this person | warn this person
thanks...
Posted by Murtad at 11/09/2009 @ 06:11am | ignore this person | warn this person
i admire your honesty and courage.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/09/2009 @ 11:51am
I suppose this tragedy should be classified as a hate crime. I am sure Att. Gen Holder will want to charge the young women who shot the Major under the hate crime laws. We all know that the Major was distraught and was trying to fulfill his religious beliefs when he was shot.
Posted by Rollo at 11/09/2009 @ 2:10pm
rykart, I see you refer to Israel in Nazi propaganda terms too, like SmashIsrael.
Your Nazi allegations against Israel aren't backed up by the facts.
Would you mind providing some links to information about the "Nazi worm cult" that you're talking about? The link you gave in support of your allegation was to a Times article about the King David Hotel bombing - no mention of Nazis.
What do you make of the real Nazi connections of al Husseini, the Mufti of Jerusalem, and his obsessive hatred of the Jewsish people? His support of Hitler and his 'Final Solution' against the Jews is well documented.
Posted by oneuniverse at 11/09/2009 @ 2:25pm
"There was clearly something wrong with this imperfect follower of Islam. But that does not mean that there is something wrong with Islam. "
Clearly there must be a lot of "imperfect followers of Islam" who are taking the lives of thousands of innocent people troughout the world today.
Posted by Freebird at 11/09/2009 @ 2:40pm
There still some who prefer to play the "My religion is better than your religion" game.
Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld presented George W. Bush the daily Pentagon "Worldwide Intelligence Updates" with Bible verses placed on the top. It was Bush's "God-Inspired" bloody "crusade" that brought about the death and destitution of millions innocent Iraqis; all based on lies, deception and falsifying evidence.
It was predominantly Christian Nations that engaged in the two great wars of the twentieth century which left behind 90 million dead.
Just fifteen years ago, when the Christian Serbs decided to ethnically-cleanse the Bosnian Muslims. Near one million Muslims were victimized and 200,000 Muslim women were raped in the Serb's concentration camp. Christian priests offered blessing and communions to Serbian thugs before they went on their murderous endeavors.
When the Zionists met and plotted the creation of "Jewish Homeland" in Palestine, a murderous genocide ensued against indigenous Palestinians. Terrorist Jewish leaders like David Ben-Gurion, Menachem Begin, Yitzhak Shamir, and Ariel Sharon led a lengthy murderous drive to kill, rape, and drive Palestinians out of their homes.
When the Jewish fundamentalist, Baruch Goldstein, murdered 29 Palestinians at the Friday prayer in Hebron in 1994, many Jewish fundamentalists called him a hero and built a hill-top shrine for him.
No single religion has exclusivity on criminality; it is, however, too simplistic to attribute all actions of deranged individuals to their religions.
Posted by CripThink at 11/09/2009 @ 2:56pm
Posted by oneuniverse at 11/09/2009 @ 2:25pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Already posted the link (TWICE) to the letter sent to the NY Times by Albert Einstein and 30 other prominent Jews who repeatedly categorize the Israelis as "Nazis" "Fascists" and "terrorists" which of course, is quite indisputable.
Einstein points to Menachem Begin, the Judeo-Nazi head of Irgun, whose terrorism and racism is much praised by Netanyahu, a man whose Likud party grew out of the Judeo-Nazi Irgun. This worm cult had many high ranking members in subsequent Israeli governments, especially in the Knesset.
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
..from Einstein's letter
More on Israel's noble history of terrorist murder and mayhem here:
http://tiny.cc/AAMYA
No--no matter how much sludge you dig up from Israel's websites, Massada 2000 or whatever other dreck you're reading, you can not prove that Husseini was more than a dismal sideshow of absolutely no importance whatsoever, despite efforts by Israeli vermin to paint him as Hitler's right hand man or similar rubbish.
If you actually have an interest in Nazi collaboration, you should spend an hour researching the Zionists, who often made common cause with the GERMAN Nazis (which shouldn't be confused with their spiritual offspring, the Israeli Nazis).
http://tiny.cc/zBW8A
Posted by rykart at 11/09/2009 @ 3:02pm
Thanks for the links rykart, I'll read them and post a reply.
Einstein compared the "Freedom Party", not the State of Israel, to fascist and Nazi parties. He supported the Israeli state, despite what you say, although he despised nationalism.
You try to disimiss Husseini's significance (and no, he wasn't Hitler's right-hand man), but : - he initiated violent riots against Jews in 1921 and 1929 - he became the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem - he was the head of the Arab Higher Committee, formed in 1936, which started the campaign of violence and terror against Jews and British known as the 'Arab revolt'. - he was successful in stopping numerous Jewish refugees from coming to Palestine. They died in the camps in Germany. - he met with Hitler several times, and petitioned him by letter and in person to allow him to implement a Final Solution in Palestine. - he spent most of WWII in Berlin, and broadcast anti-semitic speeches on the radio.
He was the Palestinian leader, and he was clearly influential. He was also quite ruthless in eliminating his moderate Palestinians opponents who were opposed to his appointment, and were in fact willing to live peacefully with their Jewish neighbours.
Posted by oneuniverse at 11/09/2009 @ 4:40pm
'The claims of Palestinian complicity in the murder of the European Jews were to some extent a defensive strategy, a preemptive response to the Palestinian complaint that if Israel was recompensed for the Holocaust, it was unjust that Palestinian Muslims should pick up the bill for the crimes of European Christians. The assertion that Palestinians were complicit in the Holocaust was mostly based on the case of the Mufti of Jerusalem, a pre-World War II Palestinian nationalist leader who, to escape imprisonment by the British, sought refuge during the war in Germany. The Mufti was in many ways a disreputable character, but post-war claims that he played any significant part in the Holocaust have never been sustained. This did not prevent the editors of the four-volume Encyclopedia of the Holocaust from giving him a starring role. The article on the Mufti is more than twice as long as the articles on Goebbels and Goering, longer than the articles on Himmler and Heydrich combined, longer than the article on Eichmann--of all the biographical articles, it is exceeded in length, but only slightly, by the entry for Hitler.'
Peter Novick: The Holocaust in American Life
Translation: a reprehensible British functionary and anti-Semite (the mufti) is brought to the fore and elevated to status of honorary spokesman for Palestinian people in order to deflect attention from the Nazi-inspired rampage of ethnic cleansing and massacre undertaken by Jews in Palestine, which continues to this day.
To sustain any claims of anti-semitism among the Palestinians, it is necessary to dredge up this pitiful figure from the 1920s. By contrast, identifying arch racists and criminal goons among the Israeli leadership (like Netanyahu and Leiberman) only requires opening today's newspaper.
Posted by rykart at 11/09/2009 @ 5:13pm
Historical sources show that the Nazi movement had significant influence and popularity in the Middle East, but not amongst the Jews. Avraham Stern's offer to fight for Germany in exchange for saving Jewish refugees from death in the Nazi concentration camps was not endorsed or shared by the vast majority of Jewish people.
rykart, you must be aware that you're referencing fringe kooky historians (to put it kindly) to support your claims. Can't you do better?
Posted by oneuniverse at 11/09/2009 @ 5:36pm
To put it in context: "God told me to attack Sadam and I did." - George W. Bush...A Christian who has the blood of thousands of Iraqis and 4362 Americans on his hands.
Posted by noctilux10 at 11/09/2009 @ 5:52pm
Posted by oneuniverse at 11/09/2009 @ 5:36pm | ignore this person | warn this person
I specifically chose an extract from Peter Novick's book, as he is anything but pro-Palestinian. He's very pro-israel and a nemesis of Norman Finkelstein.
His book--fwiw--was glowingly reviewed by Eva Hoffman in the New York Review of Books. He's a pretty mainstream historian at U of Chicago..hardly a fringe figure.
Brenner's book is a presentation of documents. Make of them what you will, but certainly, there WAS (and remains) a powerful anti-assimilationist current among zionists that was in harmony with certain loathsome elements of Nazism, which says to me that the alliance was a sensible one. The Nazis and Zionists both feared intermarriage from their respective cults and sought laws barring intermarriage. One preached master racism while the other prattled on about being God's chosen people.' (Zionists continue to make this fascistic claim as justification for their land theft and barbarities in the Occupied Territories).
You also need to read Israel Shahak's staggering book on Jewish religion, if you're interested in aspects of doctrinaire Judaism not fit for the eyes of the Goyim. Pretty crazy and radical stuff--a lot of 'blood purity' lunacy and severe racism that can hardly fail to call to mind our National Socialist pals.
Here it is in full, with a fine introduction by Gore Vidal:
http://tiny.cc/SEx0x
Posted by rykart at 11/09/2009 @ 6:15pm
My goodness--could the timing be any better??!?
from Today's Ha'aretz:
"Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, who heads the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva in the Yitzhar settlement, wrote in his book "The King's Torah" that even babies and children can be killed if they pose a threat to the nation.
Shapiro based the majority of his teachings on passages quoted from the Bible, to which he adds his opinions and beliefs.
"It is permissable to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they are not responsible for the threatening situation," he wrote, adding: "If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments - because we care about the commandments - there is nothing wrong with the murder."
Several prominent rabbis, including Rabbi Yithak Ginzburg and Rabbi Yaakov Yosef, have recommended the book to their students and followers. "
http://tiny.cc/s84CF
Yeah.
Islam is the problem.
"Religion of hate" and so forth.
..and Newt Gingrich discovered Saturn!
Posted by rykart at 11/09/2009 @ 6:48pm
An Islamist goes beserk at a military base and murders thirteen innocent people and posters on this site make up absurd, vile anti semitic lunatic comments about Jews and Israel. Israel and Jews have nothing to do with suicide bombings and flying planes into skyscrapers or beheading people.
Israel is accused of "massacring Palestinians" when even the Palestinians claim that at most 10,000 Palestinians have died the past thirty years in conflict with Israel. Funny thing, though, I never once have seen any postings here about Russia murdering 300,000 people in Chechnya, the Sudan murdering more than 250,000 in Darfur, Syria's murdering 20,000 of their own people in Hama from the Moslem Brotherhood, and no one ever seemed to complain about Saddam Hussein's murder, torture, and rape of tens of thousands of his own people. I never see postings about the murder and torture that takes place in Egypt, Saudia Arabia, Libya, Syria, Iran, or Zimbabwe. Somehow all the worlds problems are because of the Jews.
For all those who criticize Israel, Israel is the size of the State of New Jersey and is on the top five countries in the world technologically with the first cellphone invented there as well as the Windows NT, XP and Vista operating system. Chances are that you or a family member or friend have had their life prolonged by one of the many medical devices invented by Israelis. Only the U.S. has won more Nobel prizes than Israel the past forty years. One can of course be against Israel's treatment of Palestinians but before spouting lies & hatred travel there and visit & see for yourself what is real & what is fantasy. Islamic terrorism has affected more than twenty countries since our 911 with thousands of innocents murdered for no reason, NOT because of Jews.
Posted by mjkoch at 11/09/2009 @ 6:51pm
Too many Americans have already felt like this long before Ft. Hood. Americans have the tendency to think every group is monolithic. And did anyone expect anything different from Fixed Noise? They did what their people expected them to do. White Americans have been terrorists long before Muslim Americans were, and you don't see people on TV saying that a name like Charles Manson tells you a lot. I heard Rush on the radio today blaming Obama for what took place in Texas and I find it funny that he conveniently doesn't mention that it was Bush who chose to invade and occupy Iraq. It was Bush and company who chose to not pay attention to the situation in Afghanistan. The Bush clan waged war on Islam long before 9/11.
Posted by Laws456 at 11/09/2009 @ 7:10pm
For all those who criticize Israel, Israel is the size of the State of New Jersey and is on the top five countries in the world technologically with the first cellphone invented there as well as the Windows NT, XP and Vista operating system.
Windows Vista.
I hadn't thought of that.
(Not that anyone really NEEDED yet another reason to loathe the filthy, depraved, Nazi psychopaths of Israel)
Posted by rykart at 11/09/2009 @ 7:34pm
"Only the U.S. has won more Nobel prizes than Israel the past forty years. " Posted by mjkoch at 11/09/2009 @ 6:51pm
Oh come on you dumb liar, that's not even close to correct.
http://tiny.cc/j2xpR
Even if Israel were NOT so pitifully far down the list of countries receiving Nobels, so what??
Germany has had 103 Nobel Prizes.
I suppose that excuses the holocaust?
Moron!
Seething bucket of Israeli crap!
How low can you people get?
Is there ANY lie you won't stoop to?
Posted by rykart at 11/09/2009 @ 7:45pm
Peter Novick is the least dubious historian that you cited, although his claim about the Mufti is not supported by any evidence (an occasional habit of Novick's) : al Husseini was a dangerous anti-semite and Nazi, and there's no evidence that there was a Jewish plan for is installment - it's a faintly insane argument, like many of the arguments of fantasising anti-semites and neo Nazis.
Israel Shahak is far worse than Novick: Werner Cohn on Shahak: "Without question, he is the world's most conspicuous Jewish antisemite... Like the Nazis before him, Shahak specialized in defaming the Talmud. In fact, he has made it his life's work to popularize the anti-Talmud ruminations of the 18th century German antisemite, Johann Eisenmenger."
Posted by oneuniverse at 11/09/2009 @ 8:10pm
rykart: "Not that anyone really NEEDED yet another reason to loathe the filthy, depraved, Nazi psychopaths of Israel"
Not many of those, but Israel Shahak, whom you like to quote, was one of them. He was very popular amongst nazis and Islamic antisemites.
Posted by oneuniverse at 11/09/2009 @ 8:33pm
What happens next time the Jihadi(s) strike?
If it happens nearby me, I will shoot him/them to the ground. Easy for me, I travel "prepared" and am well-trained and well-practiced.
What about for other people? What will you do if you encounter a Jihadi ACTIVE SHOOTER? Are you prepared? Trained? The time to think about it is now.
What can happen? An attack by someone ramming your car? Poison given by a Jihadi to you at a restaurant? Military aircraft piloted by a Jihadi that rams a civilian airliner? It is time to think about these things.
Are we about to experience IED attacks on our roadways?
The time to get our government, that is, our REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT "activated" to represent us. It is time to make our government work for us once more and not repress us and tell us what to do.
We tell THEM what we want. They work for US! Get the Muslims out of our military.
Posted by KarlinPhoenix at 11/09/2009 @ 8:39pm
KarlinPhoenix at 11/09/2009 @ 8:39pm
Getting the Muslims out of our military would be disastrous. As an Iraq war vet, i have posted here on other blogs about the great, patriotic Muslim americans that i have served with.
We need them as translators and cultural ambassadors, and as soldiers.
There are practical reasons, in these times, to do extensive background checks on Muslim soldiers. The PC establishment will probably make it impossible to do so, because they want racial/religious conflict.
Posted by gangpapist at 11/09/2009 @ 8:52pm
Werner Cohn
I mean..you're kidding, right?
PLEASE tell me you're kidding?
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/09/2009 @ 9:22pm
http://www.chomsky.info/letters/19890601.htm
Frankly, I was a but surprised that Noam actually took 15 seconds out of his busy, globe-trotting schedule to surgically eviscerate this hateful forest pest.
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Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/09/2009 @ 9:34pm
Let us remember, you have to work hard to become an officer such as Major Malik Nidal Hasan. However, he lost it, and I know of cases where the emotional load of psychiatrists gets even to the best of them and they commit suicide. Will we really find out what the motication caused this horrific crime? did we find out from the 60's assissinations? I doubt it because we most likely will not like the answers.
The insanity of war brings ever more havoc to our shores and around the world. We just got a one-year $685B defense bill signed for ways to kill people most effectively, but healing people for $90 a year is just too much to stand even for our Jewish Senator Lieberman who should understand more than most of us that life, any life is precious once entered into our world.
Logic, reason, common sense, has it all left us? Are we about to fall like Rome having exceeded the 200-year average existence for democracies? Do we care? I'm sure we do, but so did the people of the Weimar Republic.
Posted by Wernerlll at 11/09/2009 @ 10:35pm
gangpapist at 11/09/2009 @ 8:52pm:
What do you think should be done to "over-watch" these Muslim service members, in an effort to prevent them from "going Jihadi"? I know how to stop them in their tracks but that is not what we are talking about here.
The federal government is NOT doing extensive background checks on the Muslims and the federal government is providing excuses when these Muslims "misbehave". Speaking treasonously about our country, especially while in uniform and on foreign soil, should be grounds for military punishment (minimum Art. 15).
You hit the nail on the head with your last comment: "The PC establishment will probably make it impossible to do so, because they want racial/religious conflict".
What to do........
Thanks for your ideas and your service. (I am former 1/75 RGR.)
Posted by KarlinPhoenix at 11/09/2009 @ 10:50pm
Israel Shahak, whom you like to quote, was one of them. He was very popular amongst nazis and Islamic antisemites. Posted by oneuniverse at 11/09/2009 @ 8:33pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Always a specious argument.
By such reasoning, Don Quixote, Robinson Crusoe, Gulliver's Travels and Uncle Tom's Cabin out to be consigned to the wastebasket because they happened to have figured among Hitler's favorite books.
http://tiny.cc/RxSeR
Posted by SmashIsrael at 11/09/2009 @ 10:52pm
Judging by the Orwellian Jews on this blog, why shouldn't one be anti-Semitic? Their hypocrisy would make Stalin barf, and their predecessors deliberately incited Nazi anti-Semitism, exaggerated though it was. Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl wrote this in 1948, and it might as well have been written today.
Ten questions to the Zionists by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L Dean of Nitra Yeshiva
IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that: a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.
IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.
IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments: a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees. b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war. c) No ransom will be paid
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/tenquestions.htm
cont.
Posted by MarkOller at 11/09/2009 @ 11:39pm
Islamic terrorism has affected more than twenty countries since our 911 with thousands of innocents murdered for no reason, NOT because of Jews.
Posted by mjkoch at 11/09/2009 @ 6:51pm
mjkoch,
Give the Israelis credit for spying on America for decades. Google Jonathan Pollard, Ben-Ami Kadish, Steve Rosen, Keith Weissman, Stewart Nozette and you will understand the magnitude of damage caused to our National Security due the Israelis spying on America. Several of our spies in the Ex Soviet Union were executed due to information passed on to Israel by Pollard which in turn was handed to the Soviets by Israel.
Also, give the Israelis credit for the premeditated attack on our Navy Ship, the USS Liberty. 34 American sailors were killed and 171 wounded. The Israeli lobby, the Israeli fifth columnists in America, forced President Johnson to cover up the investigation into the Liberty affair.
You may also credit the Israelis for selling our top military and industrial secrets to the Chinese for years.
The Israelis also are suspected of the advance knowledge of Hezbollah attack on the Marine's barracks in Lebanon; they withheld that information from the US and 240 US servicemen lost their lives.
I asked you last time about your relationship to the Zionist Mayor Ed Koch, but you ducked the question. Your buddy Koch was recruited in 1979 by the Israeli terrorist, Menachem Begin, to work from inside the Democratic Party to defeat his fellow democrat Jimmy Carter in his re-election bid. Koch is a die hard Zionist traitor who puts Israel's interest ahead of America's interest. You may claim innocence; however, history is not on your side.
Posted by CripThink at 11/09/2009 @ 11:40pm
IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.
IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved.
IS IT TRUE that the same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).
IS IT TRUE that during the height of the killings in the war, 270 Members of the British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany.
IS IT TRUE that this offer was rejected by the Zionist leaders with the observation "Only to Palestine!"
IS IT TRUE that the British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.
IS IT TRUE that during the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weitzman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weitzman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/tenquestions.htm
Posted by MarkOller at 11/09/2009 @ 11:41pm
There are additional similar questions to be asked of these atheist degenerates known as "Jewish statesmen", but for the time being let them respond to the ten questions.
These Zionist "statesmen" with their great foresight, sought to bring an end two two-thousand years of Divinely ordained Jewish subservience and political tractability. With their offensive militancy, they fanned the fires of anti-Semitism in Europe, and succeeded in forging a bond of Jew-hatred between Nazi-Germany and the surrounding countries.
These are the "statesmen" who organized the irresponsible boycott against Germany in 1933. This boycott hurt Germany like a fly attacking an elephant - but it brought calamity upon the Jews of Europe. At a time when America and England were at peace with the mad-dog Hitler, the Zionist "statesmen" forsook the only plausible method of political amenability; and with their boycott incensed the leader of Germany to a frenzy. And then, after the bitterest episode in Jewish history, these Zionist "statesmen" lured the broken refugees in the DP camps to remain in hunger and deprivation, and to refuse relocation to any place but Palestine; only for the purpose of building their State.
The Zionist "statesmen" have incited and continue to incite an embittered Jewish youth to futile wars against world powers like England, and against masses of hundreds of millions of Arabs.
AND THESE SAME ZIONIST "STATESMEN" HEEDLESSLY PUSH THE WORLD TO THE BRINK OF ANOTHER TOTAL WAR - REVOLVING ENTIRELY AROUND THE HOLY LAND.
What may befall the Jewish inhabitants of Palestine, of the Arab crescent, Europe, or the USA; is of no concern to these Zionist leaders. The rising anti-Semitism in the Western World is the product of their "statesmanship".
http://www.jewsnotzion
Posted by MarkOller at 11/09/2009 @ 11:44pm
The following is an excerpt from MIN HAMETZAR (p. 92) by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L Dean of Nitra Yeshiva
The excerpt is a literal translation of the letter the Jewish Rescue Committee in Czechoslovakia received from the Zionist "Jewish" Agency Executive Offices in Switzerland.
This was in reply to the call of the Jewish Rescue Committee for help, with documentary evidence furnished, concerning the fate of millions of Jewish people in Nazi occupied Europe.
"We are writing to remind you of the one factor of which you must never lose sight: that ultimately, the Allies will win the war. After their victory, territorial boundaries will be reshaped as they were after the First World War. Then, the way will be clear for our purpose at this time, with the war drawing to a close, we must do everything in our power to change Eretz Yisroel to Medinat Yisrael and many steps have already been taken in this regard. Therefore, we must turn a deaf ear to the pleas and cries emanating from Eastern Europe. Remember this: all the allies have suffered many losses, and if we also do not offer human sacrifices, how can we gain the right to sit at the conference table when the territorial boundaries are reshaped? Accordingly, it is foolhardy and brazen for us to negotiate in terms of money or supplies in exchange for Jewish lives. How dare we ask of the allied powers to barter money for lives while they are sustaining heavy casualties daily? So, insofar as the masses are concerned: RAK B'DAM TIHJE LANU HAAREZ, (Eretz Yisroel will be ours only by paying with blood), but as far as our immediate circle is concerned, ATEM TAJLU. The messenger bearing this letter will supply you with funds for this purpose".
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/minhametzarexcerpt1.htm
Posted by MarkOller at 11/09/2009 @ 11:46pm
After I accustomed myself to the peculiar writing, I trembled when I realized the import of RAK B'DAM TIHJE LANU HAAREZ. But many weeks passed, and I was still confounded by the meaning of ATEM TAJLU. Until one day, it struck me. ATEM TAJLU meant "You escape", for the word "tiyul" (walking trip) was used by them as a euphemistic code for "escape". They meant to say - you fifteen or twenty "party members", escape from Czechoslovakia and save your hides. The price of Eretz Yisroel is the blood of the men and women, hoary sages, and babes in arms - but not YOUR blood! Let us not spoil this plan by giving the Axis powers to save Jewish lives. But for you, comrades, I have enclosed carfare for your escape. What a nightmare! The Zionist agent "diplomat" comes to Czechoslovakia and says 'Now is a very critical time. But comparatively speaking it is not at all critical for you trapped Jews. For there is an emergency of far greater proportions; namely, BINYAN HA-ARETZ (the prize of Medinat Yisrael). Shed your blood cheerfully, for your blood is cheap. But for your blood, the Land (of Israel) will be ours!
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/minhametzarexcerp t1.htm
Posted by MarkOller at 11/09/2009 @ 11:49pm
SmashIsrael,
The fact that Israel Shahak is popular amongst Nazis was just an observation, not an argument. Israel Shahak is damned by his own words and 'work'.
Chomsky's attack on Werner Cohn is without factual substance. Chomsky has been correctly described as an intellectual crook (relating to his political and historical commentaries).
I strongly urge you to review this document - the top 200 Chomsky lies, which shows that Chomsky is wildy dishonest, and a denier of Communist mass murders (amongst other huge lies) : http://www.paulbogdanor.com/chomsky/200chomskylies.pdf
"He begins as a preacher to the world and ends as an intellectual crook." - Arthur Schlesinger
"In his ideological fanaticism he constantly shifts his arguments and bends references, quotations and facts, while declaring his commitment to find the truth.'" - Leopold Labedz
"Even on the rare occasions when Mr. Chomsky is dealing with facts and not with fantasies, he exaggerates by a factor of, plus or minus, four or five." - Walter Laqueur
"After many years, I came to the conclusion that everything he says is false. He will lie just for the fun of it. Every one of his arguments was tinged and coded with falseness and pretense. It was like playing chess with extra pieces. It was all fake." - Paul Postal
Posted by oneuniverse at 11/10/2009 @ 06:33am
oneuniverse,
Why is Israel Shahak "damned by his own words and 'work'. Specifically, what did he say that was so damning? Can you even explain why Nazi anti-Semitism was unjustified? And why is it necessary to silence unbelievers unless they are right?
Posted by MarkOller at 11/10/2009 @ 07:37am
Posted by oneuniverse at 11/10/2009 @ 06:33am |
What a vile and moronic hatchet job you've linked.
Posted by snowball777 at 11/10/2009 @ 07:58am
The execution of John Allen Muhammad was was perfectly scheduled, just five days after the Fort Hood massacre. See the comments section of "Muhammad executed for sniper killing", by Josh White and Maria Glod, Washington Post, Wednesday, November 11, 2009.
Download http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- dyn/content/article/2009/11/10/AR2009111001396.html Wait for View All to appear in the comments box and click.
Before midnight there were already over 400 comments. This comment is typical:
mock1ngb1rd wrote: Good riddance to Muhammad. Now let's kill all the rest of the Muslim terrorists.
1 down, 150 million to go.
11/11/2009 12:21:15 AM Recommend (4)
Dozens of other comments expressed glee at the prospect of John Muhammad burning in hell forever. I recommended the lectures of Robert Ingersoll.
Why is this serial killing being treated as Islamic terrorism, just as the mass murder at Fort Hood was treated as Islamic terrorism? John Allen Muhammad was not even a real Muslim. He belonged to The Nation of 'Islam'. Besides being convenient, the beltway sniper case is highly suspicious. See the "Beltway Sniper" section of "How CIA/MOSSAD/MI6/RAW Staged False Flag Terrorist Campaign for Political Propaganda Purposes ." http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_scienc es/browse_thread/thread/cd3bdb76b43083e4
The article is excellent, but it overlooked the amazing discovery of a bullet fired by the murder weapon in a tree stump in Tacoma Washington.
Posted by MarkOller at 11/11/2009 @ 05:35am
The Beltway Sniper
In at least three of the shootings, a white van was seen in the area. One witness had an encounter with a white van that tried to get past him in heavy traffic, the driver frantically waving him off. He described a short, slightly built man who appeared to be "middle eastern."
Matthew Dowdy, a witness to the murder of Linda Franklin, said he saw the shooter, a man with an "olive-skinned complexion," get out of a white van, take careful aim and shoot Ms Franklin. He was later arrested for giving "false information." Dowdy was said by police to have a criminal record. It is not known whether his testimony was discredited on this basis alone or if there was any other indication of how Police could know that Dowdy's statement was false, much less that he had "knowingly" given a false statement.
We are hard-pressed to imagine any reason that police could have for claiming that Dowdy had filed a false report. At the early stages of an investigation, no serious report is rejected out of hand. The only explanation we can think of is that FBI personnel liaising with the police pushed Chief Moose to make the arrest to prevent Dowdy's testimony from being used by the defence in the trials of Muhammad and Malvo that would come later.
Around Oct 20, an auto rental employee at Dulles airport found a .223 calibre shell casing in a white rental van. An anonymous source "close to the investigation" described the casing as having the wrong calibre. A spent casing of the same calibre was also found outside the school in the October 7 shooting. http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_scienc es/browse_thread/thread/cd3bdb76b43083e4
Posted by MarkOller at 11/11/2009 @ 05:46am