Most Valuable Progressives: Code Pink's Transition

posted by John Nichols on 01/19/2009 @ 10:00am

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During the course of the soon-to-be-former Bush-Cheney interregnum, millions of Americans resisted the worst excesses of a lawless and irresponsible administration that led this country into wars of whim, sanctioned torture and extraordinary rendition, embarked upon a spying regimen that made a mockery of the right to privacy and destroyed the system of checks and balances that was supposed to protect the republic from monarchical abuse.

Each year during a period of democratic decline that was so aptly anticipated by Jefferson with his 18th-century reference to "the reign of the witches," we honored Most Valuable Progressives -- groups and individuals that had boldly challenged the worst policies of an imperial White House and its pliant congresses, as well as an opposition party that frequently failed to oppose. There will, of course, still be MVPs in the new Obama-Biden era; in fact, they will be more needed than ever.

But as Bush and Cheney leave Washington, finally finished and thoroughly discredited (even if they have not been held to account for their high crimes and misdemeanors), it seems appropriate to propose one last Most Valuable Progressive designation.

As someone who covered the opposition to this worst of all presidencies, from the fight over the Florida recount, to the battle against Cheney's energy task force secrecy, to Chalmers Johnson's struggle to explain the concept of "blowback" in the post-9/11 moment, to Russ Feingold's lonely Senate vote against the Patriot Act and the brilliant campaign by the Bill of Rights Defense Committee that got communities across the country to call for the renewal of basic liberties, to the great anti-war demonstrations of 2002 and early 2003 (including one in Chicago where a state senator named Barack Obama voiced his objection), to the "After Downing Street" movement (including Congressman John Conyers' "basement hearing") that so ably exposed the administration lies that led to an unnecessary war, to the arrival at Crawford of the righteous Cindy Sheehan, to the development of a media reform movement and a new radical communications infrastructure that refused to accept the big lies of big media, to the brilliant battles of Tim Carpenter and Progressive Democrats of America to forge a genuine political pushback against Bush and the Republicans – and to the Democrats who compromised with the administration, to the essential work of Dan DeWalt, Ellen Tenney, Rocky Anderson, David Swanson, Diane Lawrence and all the defenders of the Constitution who dared to propose the impeachment of Bush and Cheney, to the fights by Marcy Kaptur and Bernie Sanders to block bailouts for contemporary robber barons, to the sit-down strike by Latino members of the United Electrical workers union in Chicago who refused to quietly accept the assault on working Americans that was the hallmark of the Bush-Cheney economic agenda, I was privileged to tell the stories of those who believed as did good Tom Paine that the proper response to tyranny was "a long and brave resistance."

At almost every stop on the contemporary underground railroad of righteous rebellion against wrongheaded governance, I found myself in the company of Media Benjamin, Jodie Evans, Gael Murphy and all the other remarkable women who make Code Pink the most valuable progressive organization of the Bush-Cheney years.

Taking its name from the Department of Homeland Security's color-coded alert system for scaring Americans into accepting unnecessary wars and giving up necessary freedoms, Code Pink: Women for Peace declared: "While Bush's color-coded alerts are based on fear and are used to justify violence, the CODEPINK alert is a feisty call for women and men to "wage peace.'"

Formed in 2002 by activists who had been protesting even before Bush and Cheney took office, Code Pink was initially (and in many senses still is) an anti-war group. But Benjamin, Evans, Murphy and the tens of thousands of others who answered the call to "(reclaim) a color many of us thought we'd never wear, as a women's statement for peace – and daring to resist an administration on the brink of war" showed a refreshing skill for adapting and evolving their protests. When Chellie Pingree, Donna Edwards, Bob McChesney and I were attempting in 2003 to block a move by the Federal Communications Commission to erase controls against media monopoly, Code Pink was an initial ally, recognizing immediately that irresponsible media made it easier for propagandists to promote irresponsible wars. It was the same with struggles against waterboarding, warrantless wiretapping, official secrecy and the penchant of Congress to tell administration insiders: "Go ahead, lie to us."

If someone shouted an objection at a congressional hearing – where members of the House or Senate should have been objecting – it was almost always a Code Pink member. If someone was chained to the gate of an official building, dragged out of an official meeting or otherwise upsetting the status quo, it was usually a Code Pinker. "Whether at (a) presidential inauguration, John Bolton's confirmation hearing, Condoleezza Rice's address at the San Francisco Commonwealth Club, Donald Rumsfeld's talk at the Beverly Hills Hilton, or Dick Cheney's fundraiser in Houston, we consistently infiltrated Bush administration gatherings to say: ‘Stop the Killing, Stop the Torture, No More Lies," recalls Code Pink's official history. And when Nancy Pelosi took impeachment off the table, the speaker suddenly found a Code Pink encampment outside her San Francisco home.

Code Pink did not just object, however. The group delivered humanitarian aid to those who were suffering in Fallujah and New Orleans, sent peacemaking delegations to Tehran and gave millions of people – at home and abroad – an reminder that even if our president had forsaken reason our citizens (at least those wearing pink) had not.

Code Pink was never merely a protest group. It was a community of hope, and the election of Barack Obama serves as least to some extent as a realization of that hope. Bush is gone, replaced by a president who, like the women of Code Pink, said the war in Iraq was a bad idea. But Code Pink activists have always leavened their hope with realism. They know that Obama will need prodding.

So the Most Valuable Progressives of the Bush era are already putting their mark on what will be the Obama era.

"I want to feel good about our government and how it operates in the world. I really do," Benjamin told me a few days ago, as she was rushing off to protest the failure of the United States to demand a ceasefire in Gaza. "But I don't suppose that will happen if we let up."

Code Pink is incapable of letting up.

The group is busy in Washington this week, distributing pink ribbons for inauguration goers to tie around their fingers, as part of an ambitious "Let's Remind Obama of His Promises for Peace" campaign that says:

As Barack Obama is sworn in as President of the United States of America, we are more mindful than ever of the Promises for Peace he made to the American people during his campaign, especially his promises to:

1. End the war in Iraq

2. Shut Down Guantánamo

3. Reject the Military Commissions Act

4. Stop Torture

5. Work to eliminate nuclear weapons

6. Hold direct, unconditional talks with Iran.

7. Abide by Senate approved international treaties.

CODEPINK's promise to you is to find creative, productive ways to hold Obama to his Promises for Peace. We will be the string around his finger that reminds him to practice what he preaches and deliver the change our country so desperately needs.

Those of us who watched Code Pink evolve into the Most Valuable Progressive organization of the Bush years would expect no less of this amazing group in the Obama years.

Comments (219)

In a free society with free speech, as our country is, people will disagree about the policy conducted by their government. This has been true since the beginnings of this country.

But leave it to Mr. Nichols, and he certainly has company on this site, to turn these disagreements into some bizarre morality play.

A morality play where the people such as Mr. Nichols has listed above are cast as super heroes, fighting a mighty battle against an evil that exists only in the imagination of Mr. Nichols and those like him.

A man by the name of Rodney King once asked "Can't we all get along?"

Mr. Nichols' answer is NO. His answer is that "you either believe as we believe, and promote the things we want promoted, or we will trash you as the devil incarnate.

We, while thumping our chests in our self appointed super moral superiority, will rake and condemn anyone who has the audacity to think and act in ways opposite to what we have laid down as the absolute."

This is a bit scary, that there are people in society such as Mr. Nichols who see good and evil as defined by the prism of their political ideology.

Mr. Nichols and others like him are truly psychotic.

Posted by sjchermak at 01/18/2009 @ 10:21pm
Code Pink? No other group congers up more eye rolling than this collection of loons, and Code Pink tops the list. In fact, the entire group mentioned above deserve their own cable channel.....trouble is the name "Comedy Channel" is already taken.

No one, but no one, looks at your esteemed listed above as anything other than a circus complete with their own clown car...... Except here of course, and Madison Wisconsin. These people epitomize the title and definition, "Useful Idiots".

What's next? Ward Churchill special lifetime achievment award?

Thanks for the evening laugh tonight.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/18/2009 @ 10:26pm
code pink is awesome, and they are personal friends of mine. jomamma doesn't like them because:

a) they are engaged progressive activists;

b) they are older women;

c) they threaten the white, male, corporate/political establishment, of which he is a part;

d) they wear pink (and jomamma doesn't understand why they wear pink); and

e) they actually do something positive for a living instead of sitting around all day and trashing liberals from the comfort of his laptop.

hey jomamma, did you actually think for a moment that LAUGHTER is the entire f*cking point of code pink?! the jokes are on the establishment, not code pink. jokers are PRECISELY what they are.

Posted by darladoon at 01/18/2009 @ 10:49pm
Posted by sjchermak at 01/18/2009 @ 10:21pm

This was spot on. Thank you.

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/18/2009 @ 11:08pm
the first poster sounds like a w. supporter who's upset he's going home.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah you cry baby

Posted by urmygyro at 01/18/2009 @ 11:09pm
"did you actually think for a moment that LAUGHTER is the entire f*cking point of code pink?!

ABSOLUTELY!!!!

And..

a)They are engaged in looney toons activitys that I find offensive to the intereset of my country.

b) I love older women!!My mother happens to be an older woman...and even at 88 she knows codepink is a joke and an embarassment to all womwn.

c)they threaten no one since no one takes them seriously..and they are such a fringe group that most do not notice them unless they get dragged out of somee event in front of cameras...and then induce chuckles and knowing smiles.

d)I love women that wear pink...especially panties under short skirts and high heels..except when guys like B Frank wear them...and I am, sure he does.

e)What is it they do for a living? I would love to sit arround an play with a lap top all day...but instead, DARLALOON, I am your enemy..I earn the wages your types love to steal and waste on "progrssive ideas"...

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/18/2009 @ 11:12pm
The crying will actually be from Code Pink, Urmy, when Obama turns out to not be quite what the far left chose to see in him.

Code pink will go disappear as useful idiots of the left always do. The Democrats will file all of code Pink in their Cindy Sheehan folder. Remember her?

Watch how the press will react if code pink has the audacity to interrupt an Obama speech!

Code Pink = [crickets]

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/18/2009 @ 11:15pm
YourJomamma - who are you kidding? you do play with a laptop all day.

if this code pink group is meaningless to you - you sure have a funny way of showing it.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/18/2009 @ 11:23pm
freiheit1 -you sound like a w. supporter who's upset he's going home.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah you cry baby

Posted by urmygyro at 01/18/2009 @ 11:25pm
Posted by urmygyro at 01/18/2009 @ 11:23pm

As I said,this site is my entertainment source..

I do spend a long time each day behind the laptop...and responding here is the easiest...

I am not paid by the hour..I am paid for what I know and what I am able to do and generate with my knowledge and experience.

Think I could form a union with other entrepeneur types, demand more for our efforts,protest against 60 hour weeks with no mandated breaks or lunch hours...demand a pension from govt...health care?

I know entrepeneurs do go on strike when socialistic types and tax hunters come a sniffing around...

Do you think a union would help me?

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/18/2009 @ 11:29pm
"I am not paid by the hour..I am paid for what I know and what I am able to do and generate with my knowledge and experience."

and what would that be?

Posted by urmygyro at 01/18/2009 @ 11:32pm
freiheit1 -you sound like a w. supporter who's upset he's going home.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah you cry baby

Posted by urmygyro at 01/18/2009 @ 11:25pm

You must be new here...Freiheit,myself, and other like mined conservatives have never really liked Bush or his socialistic policys and spending..Both of them..but find them an absolute preference to frauds such as Kerry and ALGORE.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/18/2009 @ 11:32pm
"I am not paid by the hour..I am paid for what I know and what I am able to do and generate with my knowledge and experience."

and what would that be?

Posted by urmygyro at 01/18/2009 @ 11:35pm
again jommama completely misses the point. as does freiheit. what they really want is for people to just stay home and shut up. they have no understanding of what political theater is. none whatsoever. it's as if they fear democracy. they fear difference; they fear the unknown. most of all, they fear anyone who disrupts the status quo.

"Code Pink = [crickets]"

if this were true, then why does the political, military and corporate establishment detest them? why do they gain so much access to the political arena? how do they manage to engage and disrupt the faux political theater that his "american democracy"? i'll tell you why: 'cuz they have PUSSY, baby. they have pussy.

Posted by darladoon at 01/18/2009 @ 11:35pm
"Freiheit,myself, and other like mined conservatives have never really liked Bush or his socialistic policys and spending"

only cowards say so AFTER bush has left office.

Posted by darladoon at 01/18/2009 @ 11:38pm
Urm,

I have started a business(portable scanners for inspecting for flaws inside of pipes that carry water, chemicals, fuels, ect) with a friend of mine that now exports American made, designed, manufactured, packaged and shipped to other countrys...therefore bringing back dollars to America(althought the personal profits, when generated, will never see these shores)and employing Americans..we are a company of conservatives with BS degrees selling and designing technical products..we hope to have a mega million dollar business in 3 years..and then sell it off...and each person who works for us..OWNS A PIECE.

Travel back to China in March and Ireland in April...ect.

This week we just hired 5 more techo guys...starting at around $ 50-70k...

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/18/2009 @ 11:40pm
interesting that someone with so many things going on finds so much free time to post anonymously on a web site that doesn't make him any money.

(and I assume - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - that by "although the personal profits, when generated, will never see these shores" you mean you have no intention of paying tax dollars to your country).

Posted by urmygyro at 01/18/2009 @ 11:42pm
if this were true, then why does the political, military and corporate establishment detest them? why do they gain so much access to the political arena? how do they manage to engage and disrupt the faux political theater that his "american democracy"? i'll tell you why: 'cuz they have PUSSY, baby. they have pussy.

Posted by darladoon at 01/18/2009 @ 11:35pm

we laugh at them as do most..they are detested like mosquitos...a nuissance but esentially have to be put up with ...since the press and MSM puts them in our face everytime they start to squeak...and we out here in the land are amazed that 4 members of CODEPINK making fools of themselves manage to get coverage on TV as they do...if the MSM would treat them like the rest of America does, IE, ignore them...no one would know they exist.

They owe their existance to the media.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/18/2009 @ 11:45pm
"They owe their existance to the media."

as do you. no media here - no you there. we're not discussing anything w/out a media platform.

so be thankful - how else would you fill your super busy days?

;)

Posted by urmygyro at 01/18/2009 @ 11:51pm
(and I assume - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - that by "although the personal profits, when generated, will never see these shores" you mean you have no intention of paying tax dollars to your country).

Posted by urmygyro at 01/18/2009 @ 11:42pm |

Careful ...assume is made up, of ass of u and me...

The sales are generated and made over seas and are treated differntly than income you make here...

and my country gets plenty of tax dollars from us...

however, my profits will not come until and unless we are bought out...

but if I mam able to save taxes by not bringing the profits here or a portion..you bet ...

I will not pay 60% plus of what I generate from my efforts and the effors of my cohorts only to hand them off to idiots like ALGORE, FRANK, PELOSI, ET AL..who believe they are going to save the planet...and need me to pay for the privilge.

I am going to put my money right next to Kennedy, Clinton,Kerry,Bono,Hollywood and all the other good liberal icons....

off shore.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/18/2009 @ 11:51pm
URM,

I do pay regular income taxes as I have for 40 years or so on my regular job...

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/18/2009 @ 11:53pm
maasch, i'm sorry, but you really are pathetically, sadly, atrociously stupid. i'll ask you this once, and once and for all:

do you know what the historical function of The Joker is? can you even reflect on that for a moment?

and then reconsider all the stupid things you and freiheit have been saying?

Posted by darladoon at 01/18/2009 @ 11:53pm
love women that wear pink...especially panties under short skirts and high heels..except when guys like B Frank wear them...and I am, sure he does.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/18/2009 @ 11:12pm

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

ah, the magic of a misplaced comma.

i bet you look fabulous, jm.

well, you've paid your sin tax for this evening.

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/18/2009 @ 11:54pm
I am paid for what I know and what I am able to do and generate with my knowledge and experience.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/18/2009 @ 11:29pm

don't forget child diamond workers in indian sweat shops!

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/18/2009 @ 11:56pm
and other like mined conservatives

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/18/2009 @ 11:32pm

BOOM!

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/18/2009 @ 11:57pm
i'll tell you why: 'cuz they have PUSSY, baby. they have pussy.

Posted by darladoon at 01/18/2009

I have seen some of their women on TV...

and I am not so sure they do have...ah, ..what you said...

..I have seen trees look more feminine.

The Joker?

sure..he is Batman's nemesis.

Overseas emails are sent and done..

Good night.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/18/2009 @ 11:58pm
they have pussy.

Posted by darladoon at 01/18/2009 @ 11:35pm

meow!

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/18/2009 @ 11:59pm
ah, the magic of a misplaced comma.

i bet you look fabulous, jm.

well, you've paid your sin tax for this evening.

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/18/2009 @ 11:54pm

Misplaced?

Perhaps I wear them on my head..like the Abu Grab guys?

:)

Enjoy the visual...

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 12:00am
althought the personal profits, when generated, will never see these shores

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/18/2009 @ 11:40pm

a true american hero.

how's the victory garden?

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 12:02am
don't forget child diamond workers in indian sweat shops!

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/18/2009 @ 11:56pm

Diamonds are a dead market..I sell more color..

sp do dont worry, those sweat shops are closed and closing fast and the people are unemployed now...better for them, right?

enjoy.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 12:02am
Yourjommama wrote: "although the personal profits, when generated, will never see these shores"

I wrote: "(and I assume - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - that by "although the personal profits, when generated, will never see these shores" you mean you have no intention of paying tax dollars to your country)."

Yourjomamma begins his next post with: "Careful ...assume is made up, of ass of u and me..."

but finally gets to the point (and exactly what I assumed he meant) by later typing: "but if I mam able to save taxes by not bringing the profits here or a portion..you bet"

So he writes something, I tell him what I think he meant (and to correct me if I'm wrong); he retorts with a cliche that people use when they are correcting a faulty assumption -- but then he goes on to state my assumption was correct.

What a loony!

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:02am
BOOM!

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/18/2009 @ 11:57pm

Now that is funny...

I am the worlds worst typist and speller...public schools...

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 12:03am
They owe their existance to the media.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/18/2009 @ 11:45pm

kinda like st. ronnie, ¿no?

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 12:03am
They owe their existance to the media.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/18/2009 @ 11:45pm

You're right. Outside of making a political specticle of themselves, nobody pays any attention to them. The only exception would come from the land of the fruits, nuts and flakes. That great big cereal bowl on the west coast called California.

Posted by ACook at 01/19/2009 @ 12:04am
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/18/2009 @ 11:54pm | ignore this person | warn this person

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That comma was a perfect freudian slip!

The truth is out!

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:04am
Perhaps I wear them on my head..like the Abu Grab guys? :) Enjoy the visual...

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 12:00am

wow, jm.

your tongue is gonna end up with athletes foot.

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 12:07am
Acook and yourjomamma and freiheit and every other "conservative" who constantly harps on media as such a negative....

never thank the media (and especially the nation) for giving them a social life and something to do with their free time.

sad.

be thankful!

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:08am
the guy constantly harangues me about "not contributing" (as if i used anything)

and then he admits to being a tax cheat.

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 12:09am
I am the worlds worst typist and speller...public schools...

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 12:03am

well,

my public school education has served me quite well, thank you very much.

('cept for the part where they taught us that america would never torture anybody.....)

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 12:11am
frosty - he's a wannabe tax cheat - he'll cheat if he gets the opportunity...he's just biding his time 'till he can stick it to the good old u.s. of a!

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:14am
"This fellow is wise enough to play the fool;

And to do that well craves a kind of wit:

He must observe their mood on whom he jests,

The quality of persons, and the time,

And, like the haggard, cheque at every feather

That comes before his eye. This is a practise

As full of labour as a wise man's art

For folly that he wisely shows is fit;

But wise men, folly-fall'n, quite taint their wit."

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 12:15am
frosty - the poetry sucks.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:16am
wow,

even after a public school education, i can still understand that.

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 12:16am
sorry if it's a frosty original...maybe i should have put it this way - i'm not a poetry fan.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:17am
and then he admits to being a tax cheat.

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 12:09am

there is a difffernce between avoidence and evasion..I suggest to learn the difference. One is legal and one is not. We do everything LEGAL.

"the guy constantly harangues me about "not contributing"..

No quite correct, especially out of context.

You are a smart and likeable fellow who does not work and earn up to your potential..not even close...yet you want to tell others how their money should be spent..especially when your fellow Canadians are paying more for the services you use than you...and you choose not to cover more of that cost yourself by your choice or labor.

I say someone else pays more of your way than you do...not a crime, but it dilutes your voice as far as I am concerned.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 12:19am
YJ wrote: "I say someone else pays more of your way than you do...not a crime, but it dilutes your voice as far as I am concerned."

so all the liberals richer than you (and the ones who don't "avoid" paying more taxes than you) deserve to be listened to over you.

thanks for the widsom!

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:22am
dude,

that's the bard of avon, the original slick willie.

Poetry is nearer to vital truth than history. ~

Plato

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 12:25am
sorry if it's a frosty original...maybe i should have put it this way - i'm not a poetry fan.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:17am

oh, how i wish i had written that one.

nonetheless, i am quite happy to play the foole.

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 12:27am
"so all the liberals richer than you (and the ones who don't "avoid" paying more taxes than you) deserve to be listened to over you. "

Avoid is their choice and option, and therefore their decision to pay more, although I can't imagine one paying more than one has to, especialy when so much is taken before one even sees the c heck.

I have an easier time listening to someone who has skin in the game..yes.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 12:27am
shakespeare shmakespeare!

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:29am
I have stayed to long...

I wonder if my beautiful wife is wearing anything....pink :)

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 12:30am
YJ - who are you kidding? you needed to wait for the blue pills to kick in

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:31am
Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:31am

Class. Pure class. Happens alot on TN for some reason. Lotsa class here.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 12:33am
YJ wrote: "I have an easier time listening to someone who has skin in the game..yes."

so if someone were to point out that people in groups like code pink (or any liberal group you claim to not like) have more money than you - you'd have to admit that your voice is "diluted" compared to theirs.

I like that.

:)

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:34am
there is a difffernce between avoidence and evasion..I suggest to learn the difference. One is legal and one is not. We do everything LEGAL.

•• ever heard of adverbs? here, watch this:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=u6NgLmefPzQ&fmt=18

•• it's legal because the laws are written by tax cheats!

You are a smart and likeable fellow who does not work and earn up to your potential..

•• i knew i should have been an accountant! music? sheesh!

yet you want to tell others how their money should be spent..

•• you're right. we need MORE wars!

especially when your fellow Canadians are paying more for the services you use than you...

•• which services?

and you choose not to cover more of that cost yourself by your choice or labor.

•• which services?

I say someone else pays more of your way than you do...

•• which services?

not a crime, but it dilutes your voice as far as I am concerned.

•• i've gotta get myself some lobbyists.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 12:19am

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 12:34am
shakespeare shmakespeare!

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:29am

no way. the dude had an inexplicable insight into human folly.

plus, since he's like way dead, all his works are public domain.

http://www.opensourceshakespeare.org/

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 12:37am
YJ - the joke was funny and on point (you mentioned your wife wearing something pink - a completely unsubtle hint at lingerie and/or underwear).

but who are you kidding with your "class" comment - was saying barney frank wears pink underwear a "classy" comment?

No, of course it wasn't. It was a joke made at the expense of a gay man.

I made a joke at the expense of an old man.

Not much difference expect one joke was at YOUR expense.

Not surprising you take offense.

:)

but don't let me keep you from your wife's pink attire.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:38am
algore's got waaaaaaaaay more money than maasch.

so does michael moore.

hahahahahahahahahaha!

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 12:39am
frosty - i've read many of shakespeare's plays. he's obviously very talented with much to say. i was being sarcastic (although i much prefer to read writers who are living - so they can eat)

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:40am
algore and michael moore are to be taken far more seriously than yourjomamma by yourjomamma's very own logic!

oh the horror!

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:41am
sorry, mr. nichols.

but this is what you get for posting on sunday night.

oooooh, almost time for star trek!

"Bread and Circuses

The crew find themselves on an Earth-like planet inhabited by an ancient Roman society."

happy inauguration, mr. ego!

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 12:42am
wait a second.

jesus was like superpoor. wtf did he know?

BURN THE BIBLES!

here's the new bible:

Think Big and Kick Ass in Business & Life

by Donald Trump

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 12:50am
As I said,this site is my entertainment source..

I do spend a long time each day behind the laptop...and responding here is the easiest...

I am not paid by the hour..I am paid for what I know and what I am able to do and generate with my knowledge and experience.

Think I could form a union with other entrepeneur types, demand more for our efforts,protest against 60 hour weeks with no mandated breaks or lunch hours...demand a pension from govt...health care?

I know entrepeneurs do go on strike when socialistic types and tax hunters come a sniffing around...

Do you think a union would help me? Posted by YourJomamma at 01/18/2009 @ 11:29pm

Yeah, you and hundreds of millions of people JUST LIKE YOU. Plenty of whom I am sure work harder and make more money than you do.

What the hell is your point? Because all people in this country who thinks we should spend money on public education collect welfare and want to send "the man's" money into the hands of poor.

Give me a break. You sound like a bitter, deluded old man totally out of touch with the reality of the world we live in. I suppose if that's what you really feel strongly about, more power to you, I certainly won't stop you, but please don't act like you're doing something special while the rest of the world laze about collecting government cheese.

Don't you even find it slightly ironic that you propagate all of the same offensives you use your oh so precious "leisure time" here to whine and complain about? Doesn't that strike you as odd? Humorous? Ignorant? Hypocritical maybe? Surely you don't actually believe what you're selling? That would make you seem like a fool.

Posted by TexasFlood at 01/19/2009 @ 01:54am
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 12:03am

Where's that code of personal responsibility now?

Working to potential solely measureable in dollars? A soulessly pathetic conclusion.

Posted by canaarak at 01/19/2009 @ 05:12am
Freiheit,myself, and other like mined conservatives have never really liked Bush or his socialistic policys and spending..Both of them..but find them an absolute preference to frauds such as Kerry and ALGORE.----Posted by YourJomamma at 01/18/2009 @ 11:32pm

So pretty much, you guys are out on the fringe, even among Republicans, huh?

Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 07:44am
So don't go out this morning with any illusions. Don't go back into your homes and around Montgomery thinking that the Montgomery City Commission and that all of the forces in the leadership of the South will eventually work out this thing for Negroes, it's going to work out; it's going to roll in on the wheels of inevitability. If we wait for it to work itself out, it will never be worked out. Freedom only comes through persistent revolt, through persistent agitation, through persistently rising up against the system of evil. The bus protest is just the beginning. Buses are integrated in Montgomery, but that is just the beginning. And don't sit down and do nothing now because the buses are integrated, because, if you stop now, we will be in the dungeons of segregation and discrimination for another hundred years, and our children and our children's children will suffer all of the bondage that we have lived under for years. It never comes voluntarily. We've got to keep on keeping on in order to gain freedom. It never comes like that. It would be fortunate if the people in power had sense enough to go on and give up, but they don't do it like that. It is not done voluntarily, but it is done through the pressure that comes about from people who are oppressed.

mlk

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 08:40am
shakespeare shmakespeare! Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:29am | ignore this person | warn this person

too late, your ignorance is exposed for all to see.

brush up your Shakespeare, and they'll all kow tow.

Posted by emile duBois at 01/19/2009 @ 09:41am
"oooooh, almost time for star trek!"

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 12:42

A TASTE OF ARMAGEDDON

"Death, destruction, disease, horror... that's what war is all about, Anan. That's what makes it a thing to be avoided. But you've made it neat and painless - so neat and painless, you've had no reason to stop it, and you've had it for five hundred years. Since it seems to be the only way I can save my crew, my ship... I'm going to end it for you – one way or another."

"You realize what you've done!" "Yes, I do. I've given you back the horrors of war. Vendikar will now assume that you have violated the treaty and are preparing to wage real war with real weapons. They'll want to do the same... only the next attack they launch will do more than count up numbers on a computer. They'll destroy your cities, devastate your planet. You, of course, will want to retaliate; if I were you, I'd start making bombs. Yes, councilman, you have a real war on your hands. You can either wage it with real weapons, or you might consider an alternative – put a stop to it! Make peace." "There can be no peace! Don't you see – we've admitted it to ourselves! We're a killer species! It's the same with you - your General Order 24!" "All, right - it's instinctive. But the instinct can be fought. We're human beings, with the blood of a million savage years on our hands. But we can stop it! We can admit we're killers, but we're not going to kill today. That's all it takes. Knowing that you're not going to kill... today. Call Vendikar; I think you'll find them just as horrified, shocked, as appalled as you are -- willing to do anything to avoid the alternative I've given you; peace or utter destruction."

Posted by Benchrest at 01/19/2009 @ 10:59am
Posted by comanchenation at 01/19/2009 @ 11:39am

See, RIO, atleast you'll have the power to JOKE over the next several years.

That's something!

Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 11:46am
republican mayors and governors never get in trouble!

oh, wait - just in my state, little old Connecticut...

the former governor, john rowland, a REPUBLICAN, served jail time for corruption and taking gifts.

the former mayor of waterbury, philip giordano, a REPUBLICAN, is in jail for arranging to have sex with children.

hmmmm...good stuff.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 11:51am
Posted by Benchrest at 01/19/2009 @ 10:59am

Kirk: "Well, Commander, I guess that takes care of the war. Obviously, the Organians aren't going to let us fight."

Kor: "A pity, Captain. It would have been glorious!"

"Errand of Mercy"

Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 12:12pm
"Errand of Mercy"

Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 12:12pm

"It is our way of life, captain." "That's the first thing that will be lost... I'm sorry – I'm a soldier, not a diplomat; I can only tell you the truth."

- Ayelborne and Kirk

Posted by Benchrest at 01/19/2009 @ 12:24pm
Er, ok: pink, code.

Pink, visually, is not only the 'compliment' of yellow-green lt.-- it can also cause an illusion that is known as 'retinal fatigue'. That is when two colors are coordinate 'tonally' equivalent on the gray-scale and are placed next to one another. This causes one's mind not to be able to establish a sense of spacial dominance. Thus it intensely moves each color back and forth, confused as to which 'overlaps' the other; a dissonant dance appearing to vibrate with erratic energy-- sometimes causing nausea.

'No evil enters the world, that good does not quickly follow...'

er, vice versa

Posted by hsuBfools at 01/19/2009 @ 12:27pm
"The needs of the many out number the needs of the few"--Spock

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 12:33pm
por nada

Posted by hsuBfools at 01/19/2009 @ 12:34pm
Rio!

you made a joke!

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 12:36pm
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 12:33pm

"Or the one"

Posted by Benchrest at 01/19/2009 @ 12:36pm
er, unitary exec...

Posted by hsuBfools at 01/19/2009 @ 12:44pm
I prefer....."lIVE LONG AND PROSPER"

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 12:51pm
So pretty much, you guys are out on the fringe, even among Republicans, huh?

Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 07:44am

Hi Mask, yep, JM's right, I do feel I'm out on the fringe.

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 12:54pm
out on the fringe...

haha - yes, you guys are, to say the least.

at least you recognize it.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:55pm
I prefer....."lIVE LONG AND PROSPER"

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 12:51pm

Prosper away.

As far as living long, try fishing at Lake Falcon TX. Big bass bite Bomber baits.

Posted by Benchrest at 01/19/2009 @ 12:58pm
I live in a world surrounded by people who believe the President can create jobs. Surrounded by people who think getting a stimulous check from the government is a good thing for our nation's health. Surrounded by people who can't even name one of our state's two senators, but think Obama is going to save the US. Surrounded by people who can't utter one single fact about the Federal Reserve.

How could that not push me out to the fringe?

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 1:02pm
i believe the rules for posting state "try to stay on topic"

Posted by darladoon at 01/19/2009 @ 1:02pm
I'm proud to be on the fringe Urmy. Where are you?

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 1:04pm
so all the liberals richer than you (and the ones who don't "avoid" paying more taxes than you) deserve to be listened to over you.

thanks for the widsom!

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:22am

Listened too...and heard ..doesn't mean One has to agree with just because of their skin in the game, it means anyone who is willing to put up something of their own needs to be considered a little more than one who doesn't, but CONSTANTLY wants to tell the rest what they should be doing..for me...it is a problem.

It still holds...they have skin in the game, I listen to them more than someone on the sideline shouting free advice and knowledge...and it I agree so be it, if not, as in CODEPINKO.. I trash it as faster than junk mail...

and for me..that whole list is junk mail.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 1:05pm
freiheit - i can tell you're proud of your fringe status. it makes you feel like you're objective - like pretty much everyone else is blinded and you see the truth.

you can have your high horse.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:06pm
Hey Darla, on topic, I am confident the useful idiots of Code Pink will be about as popular as Cindy Sheehan the second they speak out against Obama.

You see, the Democrats aren't really against war, per se, they were against the Republicans getting any political uplift from a successful campaign.

You are a fool to believe Obama is going to follow up on any of his stump speech promises related to Iraq and Afghanistan. He can't. It's not his call to make.

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 1:08pm
p.s. - you are obsessed with Al Gore

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:05pm

Nope...just frauds..he is no different than Madoff...except ALGORE gets a constant pass from the hard left and the media...

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 1:09pm
YJ - it's tough to see what you're writing - it's so "diluted"

:)

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:09pm
Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:06pm

Urmy, do YOU believe Obama can create jobs? Do you think a stimulous check from the Federal Government is a good thing for our country? Do you have any idea of the impact of the Fed Reserve on politics in our country?

I bet you are smart enough to see the truth about those things. You're on the fringe too bro.

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 1:10pm
YJ wrote: "and for me..that whole list is junk mail."

you spend A LOT of time focusing on "junk mail"

perchance it's time to get a more productive hobby.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:10pm
YJ wrote (after I said he's obsessed with Al Gore): "Nope...just frauds..he is no different than Madoff...except ALGORE gets a constant pass from the hard left and the media..."

Al Gore stole money from investors?

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:13pm
Hey Urmy, your outspoken, high horse atheism actually puts you on the fringe in our country. You know, like pretty much everyone else is blinded and you see the truth.

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 1:13pm
freiheit - do I believe the government can create jobs? Of course it can. Do you recall FDR's alphabet soup of federal programs. Are you denying those created jobs? Or are you so on the fringe that you refuse to see that?

Here's the thing about people like you - you're powerless in the real world, and this upsets you. So you come to a blog and anonymously complain about the real world and tell other people you're smarter than them.

We have a free market out there freiheit. If you're so smart and valuable to society - get out there and make the changes.

Oh, that's right - you're not so smart and valuable to society.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:15pm
Freiheit is correct,

I am on the fringe.

I dont believe any politician can create one job.

I do not believe govt jobs are jobs..they are only spending wealth that has been already created by some other activity.

I believe economic growth comes from building and creating wealth.

I do not believe govt creates wealth, but rather re distributes it..in efficiently, and destroys drive and incentive to create more.

I believe I am entitled to the fruits of my labors...not the govt.

I believe the govt is the problem not the solution.

I do not believe the US is the root of all evil in the world, nor is Bush.

I will start there....

and I am not alone out here on the fringe...you might see more of us here on the fringe as the govt comes for more and more of the wealth of others as they destroy our currency, our free enterprise base and our freedoms in exchange for "security".

yeah...I am on the fringe, too...

URM...you too, are on the fringe..I can see you from here by just turning my head to the left.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 1:16pm
Oh, that's right - you're not so smart and valuable to society.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:15pm

Urm is right Frei...you are not valuable to society, for you are viewed as the problem...but your wallet is valuable...

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 1:19pm
Freiheit wrote: "Hey Urmy, your outspoken, high horse atheism actually puts you on the fringe in our country. You know, like pretty much everyone else is blinded and you see the truth."

Couldn't agree more that I'm on the fringe.

And if you're a christian in the usa, you're no where near on the fringe as you sell yourself, freiheit.

And don't pretend like the tone and tenor of your posts isn't you claiming to see the truth and everyone else is stupid. That's the tone and tenor of ALL your posts.

And I respect that. Why be wishy-washy. You think you're right. So do I.

This is an anonymous forum. No one gets hurt in real life, we get to debate, and move on (although, let's be honest, no one's moving on from this forum - this isn't just part of our lives, this is a BIG part of our lives - you included - and you will bluster and pretend it's not - but the sheer amount of time you spend here and volume of posts you contribute would render any argument that this means little to you moot).

to reinforce the first point - yes, as an atheist, I am on the fringe in this country. many of my beliefs are in the minority--probably more than yours.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:21pm
Frei,

Pull the plug..

you cannot argue economics with anyone who believe govt creates jobs or wealth..

It belies the very definiation of job creation...

smile and move on.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 1:21pm
YJ wrote: "I believe economic growth comes from building and creating wealth. "

So does the financial industry create more wealth than detroit?

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:22pm
YJ wrote: "you cannot argue economics with anyone who believe govt creates jobs or wealth.."

see YJ, you're a liar. yes, a LIAR. making something up out of thin air and attributing it to someone else, pretending they said it - is a form of lying.

I said the gov't can create jobs. Of course it can. It undeniably can. It's objective truth that is has. That is not an arguable point.

Did I say it creates "wealth"?

Nope.

YJ you're a LIAR.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:26pm
Al Gore stole money from investors?

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:13pm

Did the guy who got rich from selling tickets to see the 3 headed woman at the state fair steal?

Are people who purchase indulgences from ALGORES house of carbon investors?

Or are they...

suckers ?

...at the state fair believing they will really see gill man breath under water?

Invest away...you are the perfect "custyomer, er, investor"....

if you can find AL these days..it is the coldest winter in 100 years..I am sure he is around..just look for the con trail of his G5...or go to Tenn and look for the biggest poer bil...that will be his House that Carbon built.

Nope...no frauds there...

Kinda like my taxes are govt investing..

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 1:26pm
Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:15pm

Urmy, I'm confused why you are insulting me about why I am here. I'm not posting here for any reason other than you are. I learn a lot reading these blogs. That's why I'm here. Why it was here that I came to realize it was unconstitutional for us to invade Iraq the way we did. It is here that I've seen compelling, intelligent arguments for nationalized health care. It is here that I interact with people as unique and genuine as Darla, whom I think is nuts, but sometimes think she's the only sane one here...

You should chill out Urmy. The world seems to be going your way. Why are you so uptight?

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 1:30pm
YJ - interesting you choose to answer in the form of an analogy.

Did Al Gore steal money from investors?

I'll answer for you - NO.

Did Madoff steal money from investors?

I'll answer for you - YES.

but i woudln't expect less from a liar.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:30pm
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 1:21pm

Good advice YJ, I agree.

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 1:32pm
The finacial industry finances the machines that create the wealth..they can also destroy wealth.

There is a reason Detroit is going broke...wall street and the market with all its flaws..do not think Detroit is a good risk..and they are passing..

but the govt is buying into all the loser companys and all the failed companys to prop them up..and they should fall...

this is a mistake. And will slow down any recovery...

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 1:32pm
frei - touched a nerve - I love it! the classic response is "chill out" when someone brings you somewhere you don't want to go.

usually do with conservatives - they claim this isn't just entertainment for them - otherwise they feel they're wasting their time.

p.s. - "uptight" is the wrong adjective. this is entertainment for me. what seems as "uptight" is getting loons like you going - you are fodder for my amusement.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:33pm
Well, URM..

I will settle on agreeing to disagree with you...

Did I lie?

Time for my 3 martini lunch.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 1:34pm
i believe the rules for posting state "try to stay on topic"

Posted by darladoon at 01/19/2009 @ 1:02pm

sure thing, madame kettle.

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 1:35pm
YJ wrote: "The finacial industry finances the machines that create the wealth..they can also destroy wealth."

I want to be clear - are you arguing that lenders create wealth?

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:35pm
Well, FREI, you've still got Glenn Beck.

Heard him just before lunch-time, and he's a "Federal Reserve controls the world" type too. Threw in some "Global Government on the verge of taking over" as well.

So, you may be out on the Fringe, but...atleast you've got something to listen to on the radio....

atleast until The New World Order rounds you up for re-education at one of the Sensitivity Training Concentration Camps!

Oh, and where IS RESE?!?!?!??!?

Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 1:36pm
you cannot argue economics with anyone who believe govt creates jobs

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 1:21pm

hooray!

we're going to disband the military and ALL THOSE CONTRACTORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 1:39pm
I want to be clear - are you arguing that lenders create wealth?

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:35pm

Leanders lend to those who can create welth, but there is no guarentee that they will create wealth...and lending should be the role of the private risk taker..not govt.

You know better than this...

tell me how the govt saves jobs from a dying industry making a product no one wants..or

show me how govt creates a job when it pays the worker from tax revenues...money that was created..or printed...before...

gotta go....

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 1:39pm
haha, thanks, happy to be fodder for your amusement. :-) See, we have a lot in common.

Too bad you can't tell what side of the cage you sit in this zoo.

Would you like a banana? ;-)

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 1:40pm
america got really, really lazy.

why make things (we've got brown people for that)

when you can shuffle paper?

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 1:41pm
wait a second.

isn't today the last day of mr. bush's JOB?

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 1:42pm
p.s. - "uptight" is the wrong adjective. this is entertainment for me. what seems as "uptight" is getting loons like you going - you are fodder for my amusement.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:33pm

NOW you are getting the picture...

kinda like lib loons who get upset and call people with whom they disagree, names..liars? Emotional rants of a school girl because no one agrees with your logic "flow"?

See this IS entertainment and now you know why we on the fringe, come here...it ain't the logic of our foes..it is the humour of their positions..their "religion", if you will..

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 1:43pm
oops,

bad example.

END FIAT MONEY -- WE NEED LAMBORGHINI MONEY!

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 1:43pm
Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 1:36pm

Haha, thanks Mask for the great post. Actually, I've had a few friends steer me toward Glenn Beck. I just haven't taken time to look into his shows. But he sure sounds like someone I'd drink koolaid with.

I have to ask you though. Aren't you even a little uncomfortable that Nancy Pelosi, Barney Franks, Chris Dodd, or anyone else in Congress can't account for hundreds of billions of our dollars given to the banks? And they aren't doing anything about it but waiting for us to forget?

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 1:45pm
well mask, having a private central bank does have its disadvantages......

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 1:45pm
YJ - respond to frostyzoom's 1:39 post about military contracts. (damn frosty - you're smarter and quicker than me, wish I had thought of that too)

are any jobs created with those military contracts YJ?

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:45pm
well, i do agree with mr. beck about the family.

other than that, he's nutso - loco.

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 1:46pm
wealth can only come from the earth or the sun.

well maybe the moon, too.

fiat money is killing our home.

the home we are made from.

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 1:49pm
YJ - you did lie. You attributed to me something I didn't say.

But if you want to talk about girlish emotion - i recall yesterday I made fun of you when you mentioned your wife's pink lingerine/underwear - you kept posting and then saying "well, gotta get to my wife" - I said, who are you kidding, you've been waiting for the blue pill to kick in.

you responded with a "class, real class" comment.

oh - one more thing - let's not forget you stated earlier on the thread that barney frank was wearing pink underwear (a joke at the expense of a gay man).

you can make fun - but you're not too comfortable with being made fun of.

I'll be sure, in the future, to attribute to you things you didn't say -- make sure you don't get upset like a little girl, k YJ?

;)

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:49pm
we're going to disband the military and ALL THOSE CONTRACTORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 1:39pm

They, too, are govt "jobs"...and as such spend tax money, money that is not new wealth, but created by some other activity..

A created job is one that is made and paid by the cash generated that was not previously in existance and now has become a viable product that is demanded in the market..requiring more product..and more wealth is created to hire more poeple and retain those who are already there...the profits generated grow the company and the pie increasdes in size...

I submit techically, military contracters are paid with tax dollars and those jobs are not created from wealth anew...they exist as a result of redistibution.

I suggest you not close them...there are people out there who do not think you should exist at all...and you will need those contractors to help defend you.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 1:50pm
Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 1:45pm

Glenn's a wackadoodle...but his "history" is fun. He seemingly makes it up as he goes along. He said today that "Nobody complained about capitalism before 1900"....apparently Marx and Haymarket not in his "Idiot's Guide To History.

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 1:45pm

Gee, FROSTY, how DID we survive (much less thrive in) the 20th Century, with that evil cabal at the Federal Reserve in power?

Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 1:51pm
freiheit wrote: "I have to ask you though. Aren't you even a little uncomfortable that Nancy Pelosi, Barney Franks, Chris Dodd, or anyone else in Congress can't account for hundreds of billions of our dollars given to the banks? And they aren't doing anything about it but waiting for us to forget?"

hmmmm...didn't a shitload of money get "misplaced" in iraq a few years back - perhaps it found itself into some halliburton accounts.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:51pm
Would you like a banana? ;-)

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 1:40pm

only if it's organic. i used to grow bananas at my home in mexico. yummmmmm.

"Thousands of banana pickers in Costa Rica have filed a lawsuit in Los Angeles against two chemical companies and three major U.S. fresh produce companies, claiming exposure to a toxic pesticide caused a range of reproductive disorders.

The suit – filed against Dole Food Co., Chiquita Brands International Inc., Fresh Del Monte Produce Inc., Dow Chemical Co. and Shell Chemical Co., a subsidiary of Royal Dutch/Shell Group – accuses the companies of using DIBROMOCHLOROPROPANE on bananas in Central America after it was banned in the U.S. in 1979.

The pesticide, a soil fumigant sold under the brand names Nemagon and Fumazone, is suspected of causing sterility, testicular atrophy, miscarriages, birth defects, liver damage and cancer when inhaled or absorbed by the skin, according to the lawsuit filed Friday."

yummmmmm.

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 1:52pm
I can take a ribbing with the best of them URM...after all, I am married.

And I answered FZ while you were writing something else.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 1:53pm
hmmmm...didn't a shitload of money get "misplaced" in iraq a few years back - perhaps it found itself into some halliburton accounts.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:51pm

Yes, it sure did. Where do you get the idea, Urmy, that I don't think that too is another example of our Federal Government stealing us blind?

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 1:53pm
Gee, FROSTY, how DID we survive (much less thrive in) the 20th Century, with that evil cabal at the Federal Reserve in power?

Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 1:51pm

never said it was an evil cabal.

fiat money is bad.

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 1:53pm
and you will need those contractors to help defend you.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 1:50pm

from whom -- the people pissed of by the military's actions?

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 1:55pm
Gee, FROSTY, how DID we survive (much less thrive in) the 20th Century, with that evil cabal at the Federal Reserve in power?

Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 1:51pm

and please,

explain why the fed is a good thing.

waiting........

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 1:56pm
waiting........

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 1:56pm
YJ - you couldn't take a ribbing last night. but it's ok, you can have your girlish nights, we won't hold it against you.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:56pm
waiting........

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 1:56pm
waiting........

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 1:58pm
waiting........

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 1:58pm
freiheit wrote: "Yes, it sure did. Where do you get the idea, Urmy, that I don't think that too is another example of our Federal Government stealing us blind?

my nerve touching ability is spot on today

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:59pm
I think it is evil. It doesn't mean to be, but given the power to create money out of nothing, corruption is the only possible biproduct of our Federal Reserve system.

Surely you can't argue that in our current system, the Federal Reserve has institutionalized the privatization of profit and the socialization of loss? Can you Mask?

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 2:01pm
"if you can find AL these days..it is the coldest winter in 100 years"

yet again, jomamma proves why he knows nothing about climate change. hint: "weather" is different from "climate". hint hint: while the east suffers sub-freezing temperatures, the west set all-time records for its heat wave, and its horrific drought continues. hint hint hint: 2008 was still one of the hottest years on record.

basically, your above comment perfectly illustrates why you have no idea what you are talking about, and yet darla is the loon?

"Are people who purchase indulgences from ALGORES house of carbon investors?"

if you actually did a little thing called "research," instead of spewing out your "opinions" all day long, you'd actually learn that carbon credits are the most logical, short-term solution to reducing carbon emissions while simultaneously maintaining continued economic growth (which is what advanced capitalists like yourself worship). it is the most pro-capitalistic solution to reducing fossil fuel usage.

carbon trading is the next most logical, short-term solution. and many national governments have shown interest in it.

b

Posted by darladoon at 01/19/2009 @ 2:03pm
Having had 2 out of the 8 years on vacation. hsuB musta demisthought he was a unitary-execenator. What a record to go out on...

Right about now the GOP must be a whole lot of un-dry-drunks!?!?!

And getting used to the increasingly unitariness of it all...

Code Pink, CODE PINK, C.O.D.E. P.I.N.K., C.O.D.ePINK

Posted by hsuBfools at 01/19/2009 @ 2:04pm
waiting.......

3. Ask me on any issue and I'll give you an answer.

Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 09:26am

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 2:09pm
my nerve touching ability is spot on today

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:59pm

How's your question answering ability?

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 2:13pm
"short-term solution to reducing carbon emissions while simultaneously maintaining continued economic growth"

It is another tax..nothing more and nothing less...the amout of carbon in the air will not be affected by this action 1 lousy Mole....

but it will raise the cost of everything to every American ..

it is a tax..

and as all know...on the left..

taxes, or other peoples money.

"(which is what advanced socialists and liberals like yourself worship)."

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 2:14pm
from whom -- the people pissed of by the military's actions?

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 1:55pm

sleep on little donkey..sleep on...

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 2:17pm
YJ - how do you know it won't change the air quality?

you're not a scientist, you've admitted this. care to at least give us some links to references where you're getting your information?

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 2:18pm
Will urinating in the ocean raise the water level? Change the PH? Change the salinity?

Same comparison..

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 2:28pm
Especially in the face of India and China opening a coal fired plant at a pace of one a week?

Seems to me that they should be ALGORES focus...

but like Dillengers famous bank robbery statement...

"....because thats where the money is."

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 2:30pm
YJ - if it's not too much trouble for you to squeeze into your super-busy schedule as a ragingly successful future capitalist - can you provide a link or links to the literature you rely on to inform your opinion re: global warming.

thanks!

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 2:36pm
YJ - when you don't provide the links (after admitting you're not a scientist) - one has reason to suspect you're no more educated on the subject of global warming than the average joe - and that you've made up your mind as dogmatically as you claim liberals have.

convince us - show us the the scientific research that's convinced you.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 2:43pm
Urm,

What do you read?

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 2:46pm
YJ - so I take it you don't want to provide us with links to the literature?

That's fine. Just know it is strong evidence that you haven't actually read anything, or that you're afraid your sources will be debunked.

;)

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 2:47pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 2:09pm

Gee, sorry, FROSTY...don't mind if I get to EAT every now and then, do you???

As for the Federal Reserve, the history was that there were several bank panics in the late 19th and early 20th Century. And the Panic of 1907 was the chief impetus for a Federal Reserve Bank to provide "elastic money" and liquidity.

The remaining history showed that it was a mixed bag, not forestalling the Great Depression, but under Volcker helping to start the reduction of inflation under Carter (carried over into Reagan).

But the majority of the 20th Century showed few of the bank panics of the 19th...and the US (almost exclusively) had great growth and prosperity under the Fed Reserve System.

Now...what's wrong with that??!??!??

Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 2:51pm
YJ - you're not going to provide us with the compelling scientific literature that's shaped your opinion about global warming, are you?

didn't think so.

OWNED.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 2:54pm
"My administration will value science. We will make decisions based on the facts, and we understand that facts demand bold action," Obama said at the nomination of Nobel Prize-winning physicist Steven Chu, a climate-change technology advocate, as the next secretary of Energy.

Obama has pledged to reverse Bush's funding limits and said they "have handcuffed our scientists and hindered our ability to compete with other nations."

http://www.algore.com/

Posted by hsuBfools at 01/19/2009 @ 2:55pm
convince us - show us the the scientific research that's convinced you.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 2:43pm

You make my point for me...

There is nothing out there that resembles a public debate and the only "info" avaiable is from the MSM, Hollywood, and ALGORE.

I have read articles in the Guardian from the UK,the Economist, I have heard lectures on a podcast of a group called Econtalk out of Mason Dixon University where they have guest lecturers of all sorts,I saw a letter from a host of scientists claiming the measurements are flawed and the computer models from AL Big Movie are flawed..(can't remember the exact publisher) I have seen articles on the web from the WSJ, WAPO, WAsh Times and I have seen some programs on cable that question the entire premise...but even that is no debate..that is just presenting a point of view. I remain unconvinced ..I have doubts...I do not have faith in your side.and I am not interested in changing your mind. It can't be done...you believe as strong as a fundementalist Christian does ..child like faith.

You obviously are convinced that everything about Global warming/cooling/ or whatever it is this year is true to the absolute.

I am not.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 2:59pm
thanks YJ - quite easy to make up a bunch of articles you supposedly have read.

if you're so passionate about the subject of global warming, if you're so sure that something is being covered up - one would think you'd investigate further than relying on the very sources you claim to not be presenting the whole story.

but, of course, you're not really concerned about scientific debate of global warming - your position is based on the fact that you don't like liberals--it's a childlike faith that liberals are wrong.

you could be taken more seriously if you weren't so easily exposed as a fraud.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 3:06pm
better than bush, dick, and colon ruling the u.s. gov't.

comanche - you're a joke.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 3:08pm
Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 2:51pm

Mask, right now I'm reading Greider's 'Secrets of the Temple' but if you want to know where I'm coming from, please read "Creature from Jekyll Island" by G Edward Griffin. I think you would really enjoy his thought-provoking perspective on current day events in our economy.

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 3:09pm
Nor am I interested in changing your opinion...

and I do not care if you do not accept my point or point of view.

I am stating that I do not accept the premise that global warming is a man made event..

Why not a reseach program similar to the space program where govt and private business research together the issue?

Instead we get a Hollywood movie NARRATED by the great scientist..ALGORE..complete with Oscar, Emmy, Nobel, Boy Scout, Loon of the Year..and carbon Indulgence sales..awards.

I wonder why MORE people are not a little concerned about the carnaval barker and the 3 headed woman or Gill Man...

and then those of us who question are demanded to prove YOU wrong...I don't care what you believe nor am I interested in proving anything to you.

For you believe what you read and I believe what I have been exposed to..

and I don't care who your sources or links are...

I would like to see all points on a national forum starting with the simple question..

What is the concrete proof, empirically, that man has caused global warming?Who measure what where and why?

...and ALGORES movie would not be an acceptable response. Neither would EXXONS counter.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 3:09pm
"No doubt in my mind that 01-20-2009 is the beginning of a great new ERROR!"

well, as long as an anonymous handle on the internet is so sure there's a mistake happening - then it must be true.

the self-loathing by conservatives is so enjoyable to watch. they harp on hard work,etc. - and what do they do? - they obsessively spend their time with strangers on the internet - not working.

love it.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 3:10pm
On torture, climate change, and Star Trek:

"Star Trek" The Empath (1968)

Summary

...The Vians trap them into their lab, where these hosts feel superior enough to subject them in turn to torturous experiments for an unspecified higher purpose. After Kirk is first to be returned having suffered this trial, his wounds are healed by the empath Gem, herself unhurt, who by her touch can transfer the wounds, which then quickly, but still painfully, heal, on herself. Then they are ordered to choose the next victim among themselves, either McCoy at mortal danger or Spock at even greater risk of brain-damage. When Doc is returned badly hurt, the Vians explain their purpose, a cruel but noble test to determine an entire race's fate based on virtue the judges themselves don't display..

"Well, she seems harmless enough."

"The sand bats of Manark IV appear to be inanimate rock crystals... until they attack." - McCoy and Spock

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/The_Empath_(episode)

Posted by hsuBfools at 01/19/2009 @ 3:10pm
"..if you're so passionate about the subject of global warming, "

Thats the point...

I am not passionate about GW..I am about those who are and think the answer is my wallet.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 3:12pm
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 3:09pm |

you can keep posting - but you've already exposed yourself as uneducated on the topic - someone who's made up his mind with equal political dogma that he accuses others of having done.

you're a boring fraud.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 3:13pm
Posted by comanchenation at 01/19/2009 @ 3:05pm

RIO....why do you want America to fail?

Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 3:13pm
Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 3:13pm

Thanks for your needed your permission to post..must be the fairness doctrine on a local level..

"someone who's made up his mind with equal political dogma that he accuses others of having done. "

Speaking into the mirror,eh...?

and enjoy your kool aid..

I hear ALGORE is hiring..you be a natural faith..

....complete with child like faith..

You, too, are boring and even more dangerous..you are not a fraud..you are a true believer....a disciple of all things left with NO QUESTIONS ASKED ON YOUR SIDE.. a sycophant.

Remember to dress warm when you go out side....it cold out there.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 3:21pm
Back on topic, does John Nichols really believe Code Pink isn't going to be tossed under the bus along with Cindy Sheehan. The Democrats completely undermined Sheehan's run against Pelosi.

To the Democrats Code Pink defines what it is to be useful idiots.

I strongly expect that Code Pink Operatives will not be able to find their way into the capitol building now that Obama is in the White House. We will not see Hillary Clinton confronted by a Code Pink protester while reporting to Congress the way we did with Rice, despite the fact little will change in Iraq and Afghanistan under Obama.

Code Pink is no longer needed by the Democrats. Watch them fade away quietly along with Cindy Sheehan. Remember her?

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 3:22pm
Frei,

The Progressives, CODEPINKO and all the left fringe groups were tossed overboard, under the bus and forgoten the day after election day...

and will be re constituted before the next election.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 3:25pm
YJ wrote: "You...are even more dangerous..you are not a fraud..you are a true believer....a disciple of all things left with NO QUESTIONS ASKED ON YOUR SIDE.. a sycophant"

You got one thing right in there - I am not a fraud.

I asked you to do one simple thing for me - show me the literature that has convinced you global warming is not real. You refuse to link any articles, popular or scientific.

I could believe you actually care about ASKING QUESTIONS ON YOUR SIDE if you would show me something that has informed your opinion (other than you simply posting again and again that global warming is a liberal made up thing).

But we both know you've done no critical reading on the subject - you dogmatically take the opposite side of whatever position a liberal takes.

But please - prove me wrong - provide links - provide even just one link - of an article that you've relied on to inform your opinion.

You won't - and that's why you're a fraud - your pretend to be skeptical - but you've shown us nothing that you've based your skepticism on. Nothing.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 3:27pm
freiheit - at least they're "useful"

you're just another anonymous nobody posting his frustrations to strangers. you're just an idiot with no use!

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 3:29pm
- but you've shown us nothing that you've based your skepticism on. Nothing.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009

ALGORE..

enough said.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 3:33pm
I wrote: "but you've shown us nothing that you've based your skepticism on. Nothing."

YJ responded: "ALGORE..enough said."

:)

And YJ went through an hour or so of gymastics to present the idea that he was actually not basing his opinion of global warming on just taking the opposite view of liberals.

Finally - he reveals his true feelings (and lack of research and critical thinking on the subject).

Thank you for finally exposing your ignorance YJ, much appreciated.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 3:36pm
you're just another anonymous nobody posting his frustrations to strangers. you're just an idiot with no use!

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 3:29pm

And you and I differ in that regard how? :-)

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 3:39pm
Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 3:36pm

ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 3:39pm
brilliant response YJ, brilliant.

it's all of a sudden boring to you when you get pinned into admitting what you don't want to admit.

the "zzzzzzzzzz" is actually representative of your brain ceasing to work - so it is quite appropriate!

OWNING you is sooooooooooo fun.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 3:42pm
Oh, and a note on that Urmy, we are both here for the entertainment value. In my day to day life I rarely come across the likes of you. It is refreshing and interesting. We are indeed a diverse group of people.

But along with the entertainment, I like having my perspectives challenged. Sadly, you aren't interested in challenging my perspectives, you seem more interested in insulting. Whatever floats your boat son. I've tossed out my share of insults here too I'm sure.

But you still haven't answered my simple question. What makes you think I would sanction the misuse of military funding in Iraq to illegally benefit Haliburton, or any other military contractor?

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 3:50pm
Weird, just remembered writing 2-3 years ago, that we'd eventually have an exec office with 4-5 presidents in it. Thought it'd be a few more years down the road though like maybe 2012. But made sense then, and now too. If Richardson had only stayed...

ksaM just reminded me via the argument we had about Iraq not being 'the' issue with the presidial election nor w/Pelosi's, a year or 2 ago.

Ah, sleep is good.

Posted by hsuBfools at 01/19/2009 @ 3:50pm
"It is another tax..nothing more and nothing less...the amout of carbon in the air will not be affected by this action 1 lousy Mole..."

yet another utterly brainless comment. nothing could be further from the truth. again, if you actually did some RESEARCH you will learn that carbon offsets reduce future carbon emissions via the purchase of non-fossil fuels. can't your 6-year old mind comprehend the most basic of premises?

"I am stating that I do not accept the premise that global warming is a man made event.. "

do you accept the premise of gravity?

Posted by darladoon at 01/19/2009 @ 3:59pm
Posted by comanchenation at 01/19/2009 @ 3:33pm

Nope, sorry, RIO...if he's a failure and incompetent (as Bush was), I'll take him to task.

But I won't jump to "Obama Derangement Syndrome" as you have...nor HOPE that America fails, just to get your political ideology and PARTY (Mr. "Independent") back on top.

You will become what you once hated....Nietzche's Abyss has looked back!

Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 4:08pm
code pink proud supporter of blackcoptermedia.com, donate and watch what happens!

Posted by thesid at 01/19/2009 @ 4:12pm
Posted by darladoon at 01/19/2009 @ 3:59pm

Really, darla. They don't matter anymore. Nobody serious running for President will ever deny man-made global warming, must less global warming in the generic.

They know it. Even Limbaugh and Hannity know it...they just keep acting like they matter to keep up the morale.

Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 4:19pm
Posted by comanchenation at 01/19/2009 @ 4:35pm

Who'd you vote for for President, RIO?

Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 4:52pm
anybody can print money.

but who's really paying for it?

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 5:09pm
this is a GREAT thread!

more topics:

u.s. health care sucks.

close all those military bases in all four corners of this sphere.

fund the arts.

springsteen is horrible.

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 5:12pm
Posted by darladoon at 01/19/2009 @ 3:59pm

Darla, carbon credits will simply push investment capital offshore. YJ is correct. Carbon credits are nothing more than another tax. The whole idea is really to destroy US autonomy, not "save the planet."

I will never understand your endless trust in the integrity of our Federal Government. Maybe you do see the truth and you are simply cheerleading the arrival of a world government based on collectivism.

Did you ever think the best way to keep slaves is to prevent them from knowing they're slaves?

I think you and I are slaves. $Billions of our future are just reallocated without accountability. That's how you treat slaves.

At least one of us sees it.

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 5:41pm
it's clear frei buys into the victim society!

what a sad state of affairs in your head.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 5:44pm
springsteen is horrible.

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 5:12pm

Closet Michael Bolton fan.

Posted by Benchrest at 01/19/2009 @ 5:58pm
frei,

sure the fed is poorly run (pun intended!)

but a collectivist world government?@?@?

destroy u.s. autonomy??????

i thought it was the other way round.

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 6:00pm
Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 5:44pm

So, Urmy, you approve of Congress' TARP funding? How interesting. I would assume you'd be against it.

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 6:06pm
How about wire tapping. Am I a victim to be against that too?

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 6:16pm
frei - this is what I know, for sure - you will complain about being a victim of the big bad gov't for the rest of your life. it will NEVER end. your identity is wrapped up in being a victim.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 6:21pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 6:00pm

Frosty, even Cal Thomas, a very level-headed conservative, wrote a column on this...

Search "Cal Thomas Think Globally; Act Globally"

Were you being serious Frosty? Because I'm surprised someone with your grasp of the fiat nature of our currency can't see this very plain writing on the wall for the future of the United States.

Funny, but true, 30 years ago I never even wondered who was funding the USSR's side of the Cold War... I wonder why I never even considered it as a question to ask.

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 6:24pm
Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 6:21pm

Urmy, I'm not directly a victim of the "big, bad, government" at all. I actually am very comfortable and have children in ivy league universities. I travel world-wide on business and know many influential leaders personally.

But as I get older and wiser and more spiritual, I begin to question the foundations of the system we've evolved. All because I came here with the purpose of defending against what I was reading in these blogs about the US invasion of Iraq. Remember, years ago Urmy? You were there too.

So go ahead and accuse me of playing the victim for some reason that I'm sure makes you feel good. But I notice you still won't answer a single, simple question i've posed to you.

Do you support the TARP?

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 6:34pm
frei - are you a victim of my decision to make you dance for me?

maybe you are!

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 6:38pm
frei - this is what I know, for sure - you will complain about being a victim of the big bad gov't for the rest of your life. it will NEVER end. your identity is wrapped up in being a victim.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 6:21pm

I do think it is a shame you aren't a little more active in questioning the government too. You are probably naive enough to think that democrats and republicans are different, right.

Baaaaaaa. Does your wooly fur tickle you Urmy? Hahaha!

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 6:40pm
Urmy, you remind me of Will C.

He came here too with what seemed to be a weird masturbation fettish instead of a desire for dialog.

Have fun! I'm sure you are.

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 6:45pm
Umbryo,

Here is a link for you.

Global warming debunked today..

http://www.mlive.com/opinion/flint/index.

ssf/2009/01/its_time_to_pray_for_global_w

a.html

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 6:58pm
"Umbryo" Haha, that's funny!

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 7:05pm
Code Pink reminds me of that pink slurry of methadone solution that heroin addicts take.

Posted by pyeatte at 01/19/2009 @ 7:13pm
Umbryo" Haha, that's funny!

Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 7:05pm

I am not sure, but the term Umbryo means a poorly developed stem cell useless for research or it is whats left a partial abortion. I am not sure which..

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 7:19pm
"Global warming debunked today.. "

as lillian pointed out on another thread (where you copied-and-pasted the same exact thing) - that article is itself bunk.

nice try though. you finally decided to use google and posted the first (i.e. - most recent) article you found under "global warming debunked"

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 7:53pm
"He came here too with what seemed to be a weird masturbation fettish instead of a desire for dialog. "

i've never heard masturbation being called a fetish. it's a normal thing for all humans to do (and i, like most guys, need visuals if i'm going to do that - your words certainly don't turn me on).

but i do enjoy seeing you pretend to "dialog" with people (when you're here to simply find people who you disagree with and tell them they're wrong)

;)

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 7:55pm
Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 7:53pm

Saw it on Drudge which is just a link site..

but the article says it all...read it.

Obviously you didn't since you are babbling about google...

As Frei said in so many words..

You are drowning in your kool aid bowl...

You ask for articles and scientists. You are lead by the nose to an article and what do you do..wobble about the reporter and not the article or its contents..do you even know the author? Or is it he reports that 650 climatologists disagree with your "truth"?

All this re enforces for me why I don't care what you believe.

I consider you just another genius clown in the kook section here with a hat and a propellar on top spinning wildly...a red one.

I do think you are strange in a harmless way.

and kinda like Will C, the one guy we haven't heard from in quite awhile..

I guess he WAS replaced by a chimp.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 8:04pm
lillian posted a link that debunked your link.

hello!

kool-aid is your drink of choice, not mine.

p.s. - this is a website for people to anonymously watch the minutes tick by under the pretext of real debate that will change real lives (riiiiiiiiiiiiight).

we're all "harmless" in that way.

this all means nothing. you think anyone here is changing anyone's mind on anything?

not a chance.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 8:10pm
"we're all "harmless" in that way. '

This is where we agree.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 8:25pm
Posted by comanchenation at 01/19/2009 @ 7:54pm

Sorry, missed it. Once more, please?

Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 8:27pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 01/19/2009 @ 10:06pm

Again..."leftist" "leftist" "leftist"....

Why is John McCain now a "leftist"?

You and MAASCH seem to still be under the impression that you guys are in the mainstream and everybody who believes in anthropogenic global warming is Ted Kyzinski or an Earth Firster.

YOU guys are the Fringe now. Call yourselves "martyrs to the REAL truth about global warming" if you like...

but please stop acting as if you are even close to the rest of the country, much less the world on this.

Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 10:35pm
frei:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?

res=950DEFDC1139F933A25753C1A96F948260

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 11:20pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 01/19/2009 @ 10:06pm

a religious dolt like yourself should know a lot about accepting nonsense hook-line-and-sinker.

you're a complete joke.

Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 11:24pm
Were you being serious Frosty? Because I'm surprised someone with your grasp of the fiat nature of our currency can't see this very plain writing on the wall for the future of the United States. Funny, but true, 30 years ago I never even wondered who was funding the USSR's side of the Cold War... I wonder why I never even considered it as a question to ask. Posted by freiheit1 at 01/19/2009 @ 6:24pm

well, frei, i see it the other way round. i don't see the u.s. giving things up, i see a desire to transform the rest of the world into redstate land.

the fed sure is "funding" china, though.

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 11:56pm
"The whole idea is really to destroy US autonomy, not "save the planet""

i am just utterly baffled by the above comment. i really, seriously cannot have a conversation with someone who actually believes that scientists are attempting to destroy US autonomy, and not simply provide the public with vital information. there is simply no debate about whether climate change is anthropogenic. in fact, we're so far beyond that being the issue, that nowadays, the real danger is the inexorable and widespread loss of biodiversity.

only a fool like maasch would laugh at a study which observes the steady decline in, say, the frog population, without ever once considering to understand what frogs actually do in an ecosystem. how vital their existence is to our own. or ants, grasses, bees, mosses and lichens. all of these things. do you and maasch have any f*cking idea what bugs and weeds do in our ecosystems? any idea whatsoever? you don't. ok? YOU DON'T!

so, please just STFU, and stop posting about subjects about which you know NOTHING.

Posted by darladoon at 01/20/2009 @ 12:34am
darla,

it's like making fun of fruit fly research.

dull minds thud alike.

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/20/2009 @ 01:01am
or remember when mccain made fun of that study which dealt with the DNA of grizzly bears? anyone with access to "The Google" could have learned, in under 30 seconds, that that particular study was extremely effective, and money well spent.

Posted by darladoon at 01/20/2009 @ 01:31am
darlsoonietoon,

In the 1970s the head of the U of Minnesota started a program to research frogs and the effects of pollution on frogs and life in swamps and small ponds since they are the filter system of our waters. It was discovered that benzines and other chemicals were found in these waters and frogs in particular were found to be deformed at every level of their development stage and their population was collapsing as well. Since frogs are an organism that uses osmosis to exchange with it's environent, they therefore are a first line sign of trouble in an ecosystem.

As a student, I worked on the study and we collected more frogs than you have lost brain cells.

You are in worse shape than the frogs, Darlaloon..... So, yes, I am aware if the frog issue. 20 years before you took your first toke and 25 years before you were hatched, tadpole.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/20/2009 @ 09:52am
I am also aware what bugs and weeds do and their effects on the ecosystem.

I, as well as, all here are painfully aware of the effects of "weed" on your system.

I have degrees in Biology and Chemistry... BTW, the degrees are not measured in Fahrenheit or Centegrade, in case you are confused.

Have another toke.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/20/2009 @ 10:01am
Darlsloonietoon,

Once again, the fly trap between your ears that screams STFU makes you the fool. One would think you would tire of the image of stoned court jester trying to come off edjucated at some point.

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/20/2009 @ 10:05am
edjucated

Posted by YourJomamma at 01/20/2009 @ 10:05am

BOOM!

Posted by frosty zoom at 01/20/2009 @ 10:45am
Politically there are only three choices. Forward, Backward, or Stay where you are. Jomamma belongs in the Backward category. His philosophy got us where we are, sliding backward down a steep incline, and his philosophy is not capable of moving us forward. He will join the progressives when he has to move out of his double wide and into a shelter.

Posted by ofladrt at 01/25/2009 @ 10:35am