Obama's Global Victory Lap Has McCain Desperate

posted by John Nichols on 07/22/2008 @ 08:58am

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What was John McCain thinking?

Did the Republican who would be president really think that by goading Democrat Barack Obama into visiting Afghanistan and Iraq -- countries the senator from Illinois was going to have to visit as part of an image-building international tour -- he would somehow trip-up his November rival?

Was McCain under some delusion that international leaders would subtly undermine the Obama tour and thus confirm that the Republican ally of discredited lame-duck President George Bush was the only real choice to lead the United States toward a more realistic role in the world?

If that was the case, then McCain really is too foolish to be president -- not merely of the U.S. but of his stamp club.

As Obama goes from strength to strength -- sinking baskets, drawing cheers from the troops, forging a plan to extract most U.S. forces from Iraq that everyone who matters seems to agree with -- McCain is scrambling.

Of course, it is true that Obama is too open to a wider U.S. commitment in Afghanistan and too closed to a wider U.S. commitment to seeking peace in the Middle East. But, in each case, he appears moderate when compared to the bombastic McCain.

Of course, it is true that Obama may be making commitments that he cannot keep. But the Democrat's overreach does not begin to rival that of the Republican -- a fact that is coming across to the American people who, if tracking polls are correct, are warming to Obama with each passing day of an international journal that looks less like a listening tour than a victory lap.

What's a McCain to do?

The Republican appears to be thinking about trying to trump Obama, not with some foreign-policy masterstroke but with some old-fashioned politics.

McCain has been meeting on an almost daily basis with Republican vice presidential prospects -- former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani was with the candidate Sunday, Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal will be with him Wednesday. There have been lengthy conversations with long-shot Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan, and with the man whose name many believe is at the top of the list of likely suspects: former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney.

Syndicated columnist Robert Novak claims that McCain will make a vice presidential pick quickly. "Sources close to Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign are suggesting he will reveal the name of his vice presidential selection this week while Sen. Barack Obama is getting the headlines on his foreign trip," argues Novak.

Is it really possible that McCain would use a vice presidential designation to grab some cheap headlines away from Obama? Possible, yes. The Republican contender is desperate; he's falling behind in state-by-state surveys and there is every reason to believe Obama will enjoy a big bump from his global positioning.

But the key word here is "possible." McCain's aides are torn about whether making a vice presidential pick now is the best idea. While such a move would counter Obama's surge, picking a running-mate now would require the Republican contender to play the best card he's got early in the game. McCain would own the news cycle, but once the excitement fades -- as it surely would if someone like Romney was the pick -- he has very little with which to compete with Obama for attention.

That could make for a long, hot August for McCain, culminating with Obama's rock-star finish to the Democratic nominating convention in Denver.

Still, July is turning into a miserable month for McCain. And misery loves company.

Comments (66)

"Obama's rock-star finish."

maybe a bonjovi rock star.

nowhere near ozzy.

IGGY POP '08!

Posted by frosty zoom at 07/22/2008 @ 08:33am
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/22/2008 @ 08:33am

LOL!

From watching internet clips of Obama's tour trip, the cluisterfuck to the White House is looking more and more like a foregone conclusion. McCain has a hell of a mountain to climb to even be competetitive at this point, IMO. The exposure that Obama is getting must be a bit demoralizing for McCain's camp. I know they are gung ho for him but you can't tell me that some of his camp aren't running around like chickens with their heads cut off; especially after the pro-choice gaffe by a memeber if his camp. Funny the media didn't show those clips ad nauseum. Treating "grandpa" with kid gloves are we?

Posted by k330k at 07/22/2008 @ 08:57am
"What was John McCain thinking?"

It truly was dumb and Obama was smart.

McCain last month with his "Join me Senator Obama and see how great things are in Iraq" tried to push him into a joint appearance that would not help Obama and likely bolster McCain.

Unfortunately, they (the McC campaign) did it in a way that made it seem as if "unless Obama goes, he's admitting he was wrong...if he goes, he'll learn the REAL truth of Iraq"...

Problem is...Obama went...WITHOUT McCain.

So...now Obama looks Presidential, plus al-Maliki "hinted" again that he wants us out...on OBAMA's schedule.

And McCain is scrambling to try to spin his way out of HIS OWN SUGGESTION that Obama go...and the fact that he practically ENCOURAGED the Big Net anchors to go along by making such a big deal out of such a trip last month.

Both ideas blew up in his face....

McCain's problem is, the same as Hillary's....he's thinking he's smarter and more strategic a thinker than Obama is.

She wasn't....McCain not likely to be either (given the way things are going!)

Posted by Maskdelta at 07/22/2008 @ 09:09am
From watching internet clips of Obama's tour trip, the cluisterfuck to the White House is looking more and more like a foregone conclusion.

Posted by k330k at 07/22/2008 @ 08:57am

uh, that's cloisterfuck.

only the "finest" invited.

Posted by frosty zoom at 07/22/2008 @ 09:47am
First Barack Obama was chastised for formulating policy ideas before he met all the politicians in the Middle East and Europe to discuss global issues with them. Now he's being denounced for having done so. He's damned if he doesn't and damned if he does. Sounds like a flip-flop to me.

Posted by boing007 at 07/22/2008 @ 09:54am
So...now Obama looks Presidential, plus al-Maliki "hinted" again that he wants us out...on OBAMA's schedule.

Posted by Maskdelta at 07/22/2008 @ 09:09am

McCain indicates US troops could withdraw in 2 years Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:44pm EDT Email | Print | Share | Reprints | Single Page By Jeff Mason

BUFFALO, New York, July 21 (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate John McCain appeared to leave a door open on Monday to a large-scale drawdown of U.S. troops from Iraq in the next two years.

McCain, who has wrapped up his party's White House nomination, has long argued against setting a timetable for U.S. troop withdrawal.

But the discussion on troop levels has shifted in recent days after Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki seemed to endorse Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's call for troops to be gone within 16 months of his taking office.

Obama met with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad on Monday, and an Iraqi government spokesman said Maliki told the Illinois senator conditions on the ground should dictate troop withdrawals.

After a meeting with former President George H.W. Bush, McCain was asked whether it was conceivable for U.S. troops to be fully pulled out of Iraq in about two years.

"I think they could be largely withdrawn," the Arizona senator replied

Posted by frosty zoom at 07/22/2008 @ 09:55am
"Obama's rock-star finish."

nowhere near ozzy.

Posted by frosty zoom at 07/22/2008 @ 08:33am

Maybe if he bites the head off of a live bat????

Posted by skeletonman at 07/22/2008 @ 09:59am
Maybe if he bites the head off of a live bat????

Posted by skeletonman at 07/22/2008 @ 09:59am

maybe if he bites the head off of jeremiah wright.

Posted by frosty zoom at 07/22/2008 @ 10:11am
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/22/2008 @ 09:55am

McCain has been "ratcheting down" his "out of Iraq" timetable since he won the nomination.

First it was "a presence" (undefined) for "100 years" ("as long as nobody was dying...but if they were, we couldn't leave because we hadn't 'won'...but if they weren't then we couldn't leave anyway!")

Then it was "I'll win it by January 2013" (conveniently AFTER his 2nd term re-election bid)

Now, he's backed into a corner...claiming that "we've succeeded in Iraq"...and the logical question becomes "Then WHY can't we leave in 16 months as Sen. Obama plans?!?!?!?!"

To which McCain's answer is quite similar to Ralph Kramden's...

Hamma-na, Hamma-na, Hammm-na.....

Posted by Maskdelta at 07/22/2008 @ 10:39am
Why do we continue to gloss over the obvious in making statements about Obama vs McCain's foreign policies. Here's the deal, I could NEVER trust McCain on foreign affairs because he doesn't even know his facts about the region, its people and how our involvement affects them. These gaffes are a serious matter as it depicts his ignorance.

McCain is looking at the Iraqi and Middle east situation ONLY from an American self-centered perspective (albeit not in harmony with most Americans) continuing the image of us being the pompous, self absorbed renegade cowboys running off doing our own thing even with the disapproval of the rest of the world. The days of the wild, wild, west is over as the American taxpayers cannot afford to carry the financial burden of such silly and costly notions.

Posted by nerakami at 07/22/2008 @ 10:40am
Nichols...never believe Robert Novak!

This is a publicity stunt to try to get the press to talk about McCain rather than Obama's trip.

Even the mainstream press recognized that they were being duped by Novak in an attempt to cover McCain, and THAT became the story!

Posted by Metteyya at 07/22/2008 @ 10:47am
NICHOLS: "The Republican contender is desperate.....and there is every reason to believe Obama will enjoy a big bump from his global positioning."

Double-barrel of "desperate" from the Berman-Nichols tag team this morning?

Now he's done it.....IF Nichols thinks Magic will "enjoy a big bump"....then, we know how the actual will play out.....LOL!!

Posted by 2HAPPY at 07/22/2008 @ 11:28am
GLOBAL VICTORY LAP?

Looks more like an ad for another reality show on MTV....the marraige between the MSM and the Democratic Party is consumated and is now a covenant..and we, the public have treated to the "wedding night" final event,complete with the "after glow"..and in a short time the American voters will left to wash the sheets.

Pathetic display of PR service for the DEMS by the MSM...one couldn't pay for the PR service hype as the MSM orgasm all over themselves during this circus.

I do feel sorry for McCain, for he has no chance, much of his own campaigning, but with the MSM today there is NOTHING McCain can do any more, even his military service is lampooned.....the press will carry Obie across the finish line and dump him into the WH and onto our laps...

and then when the first crisis hits, and man will it hit...will then ask the ever puzzling question,."Who drop this turd in our lap? Who layed the chunck?"..

I am begining to understand LVL..we need Gods help and fast.

Watch the show, it is coming to your TV real soon...

The Chicago machine has out done themselves.

Posted by JOMAMMA at 07/22/2008 @ 11:43am
SPECIAL DELIVERY! (Just for) My friend!!

It's OK.....I actually like the severe INbalance of coverage....and continued `fawning' by the MSM! By being blatantly one-sided.......not much different than Madison Ave. selling Frosty Flakes or Viagra.......thinking people will realize, why is the Media trying to cram Magic down everyones' throat.....hmmmmmmm.....

This will be remembered as a watershed year for the MSM....NOT in a good way for their job security nor trustworthiness in the eyes of their `suckers/customers'!

Posted by 2HAPPY at 07/22/2008 @ 11:43am

Posted by 2HAPPY at 07/22/2008 @ 11:46am
Hamma-na, Hamma-na, Hammm-na.....

Posted by Maskdelta at 07/22/2008 @ 10:39am

There's a blast from the past!

Posted by Benchrest at 07/22/2008 @ 11:58am
Obama is on a global victory lap already? Did they have the election and not tell anyone? Another apparent disconnect from reality here at The Nation, where apparently it is November already. I guess on some planets, it is.

Posted by pontificus at 07/22/2008 @ 12:02pm
Posted by Benchrest at 07/22/2008 @ 11:58am

McCain is having an AWFUL month.

First, he's saying we "succeeded in Iraq" (past participle)...but we can't start pulling out troops to help Afghanistan because "we'd lose"....huh?!?!??!?

Then, Obama took HIS "go to Iraq and let the Media waatch you do it" plan....and ran with it.

He had to say that HE, not Nouri al-Maliki PM of Iraq, knows better what the Iraqi people want.

He's had to move his goalpost again on when we would get out...he's now down to "I could see it happen by then" being in ....2010! Which just so happens to be the "16 months" that Obama is talking about.

And finally, he mentioned "Czechoslovakia" while discussing the missile shield and Russia.

Problem....."Czechoslovakia" broke up in 1992!

Posted by Maskdelta at 07/22/2008 @ 12:32pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 07/22/2008 @ 12:32pm

At this point, Obama HAS to be saying "I love it when a plan comes together." It could not have been choreographed any better. His strategic thinking is impressive.

Posted by Benchrest at 07/22/2008 @ 12:42pm
All the points I wanted to make seem to have been made here.I guess the phrase that comes to mind in JohnnyMacs case is"be careful what you wish for"

Posted by eniobob at 07/22/2008 @ 12:54pm
Just as the MSM joined the neo-con led invasion & occupation of Iraq acting as "embedded reporters", vacuous idlers at presidential press conferences & leaving mistaken public misconceptions of foreign complicity in the attack on American soil intact, so they apprehend the shift in political thought & Obama's strengths.

Posted by Sorelish at 07/22/2008 @ 1:00pm
Obama is on a global victory lap already? Did they have the election and not tell anyone? Another apparent disconnect from reality here at The Nation, where apparently it is November already. I guess on some planets, it is. Posted by pontificus at 07/22/2008 @ 12:02pm

Obviously you don't have the mind to grasp the subtleties of simile.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/22/2008 @ 1:10pm
Posted by Benchrest at 07/22/2008 @ 12:42pm

I think this blow-up (over Obama's trip) points out something MAJOR underlying the campaign that few consider...

Obama beat THE best political campaigners around...i.e. the Clintons.

McCain's crew (and McCain himself) aren't even in the same league.

So...what does THAT forebode for his chances?

Posted by Maskdelta at 07/22/2008 @ 1:35pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 07/22/2008 @ 09:47am

Hey, frosty! I was quoting "The Daily Show" but you're right none-the-less.

Posted by k330k at 07/22/2008 @ 1:38pm
To which McCain's answer is quite similar to Ralph Kramden's...

Hamma-na, Hamma-na, Hammm-na.....

Posted by Maskdelta at 07/22/2008 @ 10:39am

Totally hilarious! Reminds me of Eddie Murphy's "Delirious".

Posted by k330k at 07/22/2008 @ 1:40pm
Obama beat THE best political campaigners around...i.e. the Clintons.

McCain's crew (and McCain himself) aren't even in the same league.

So...what does THAT forebode for his chances?

Posted by Maskdelta at 07/22/2008 @ 1:35pm

Good point. The answer is not well at all. He seems to have the majority of his eggs in the "war" basket. Running the country is about more than just managing a war. If we were a military dictatorship, McCain would be a great president.

Posted by k330k at 07/22/2008 @ 1:46pm
It could not have been choreographed any better.

Posted by Benchrest at 07/22/2008 @ 12:42pm

yep, dancin' on our heads.

Posted by frosty zoom at 07/22/2008 @ 2:44pm
If we were a military dictatorship, McCain would be a great president.

Posted by k330k at 07/22/2008 @ 1:46pm

not really.

he's just not super bright. seems like a nice dude. should have been an actor.

there'd be a coup within weeks.

Posted by frosty zoom at 07/22/2008 @ 2:46pm
Let's not get to comfortable with ourselves. Any sign of hubris or arrogance could really undercut any gains this trip gives the Senator. We have put up with 16 years of arrogance and dynasty, let's not trade one for a different face and personality. Granted the choir is all singing from the same hymnal, but let's be careful and not blow it now. Our beloved Senator seems to be back peddling like crazy lately.

Posted by julien38 at 07/22/2008 @ 3:04pm
Our beloved Senator seems to be back peddling like crazy lately.

Posted by julien38 at 07/22/2008 @ 3:04pm

no, he's comforting those who are purchasing his "services".

Posted by frosty zoom at 07/22/2008 @ 3:06pm
yep, dancin' on our heads.

Posted by frosty zoom at 07/22/2008 @ 2:44pm

No thanks.

You heard Kid Rock's new album? Great stuff.

Posted by Benchrest at 07/22/2008 @ 3:25pm
Posted by k330k at 07/22/2008 @ 1:46pm

Funny, isn't it?

All the Right (even a few of us who were "Whoever the Dems nominate...likely HER" types) have often complimented the Clintons on their keen skill at campaigning and politics....

but seem to have FORGOT that Obama?...

beat that!

And now he faces a tired old STALE typical Republican campaign by a man who won easy re-elections in a moderately Red State all his life...and couldn't beat Dubya and Rove in 2000!

Throw out all the outside factors against him....economy, the war, tired of Bush, failed Republican brand....

McCain on campaigning alone...isn't as good as Obama is.

Posted by Maskdelta at 07/22/2008 @ 3:26pm
You heard Kid Rock's new album? Great stuff.

Posted by Benchrest at 07/22/2008 @ 3:25pm

please.

let's limit this discussion to music.

Posted by frosty zoom at 07/22/2008 @ 3:46pm
The presidential contest should be settled in the old-fashioned way: An athletic competition.

Senator Obama picks basketball.

Senator McCain picks shuffleboard.

Tie-breaker goes to the Senate President: Skeet!

Posted by Eugene_Debs at 07/22/2008 @ 3:55pm
please.

let's limit this discussion to music.

Posted by frosty zoom at 07/22/2008 @ 3:46pm

You don't like Nickelback, you don't like Kid Rock. What's left?

Posted by Benchrest at 07/22/2008 @ 4:00pm
......but seem to have FORGOT that Obama?...

beat that!

Posted by Maskdelta at 07/22/2008 @ 3:26pm

Campaign teams' competence and chosen strategies can and should have an impact.....but, YOU have FORGOTen that nothing under the sun, could turn Hillary BLACK, half-BLACK, or even a real MALE! Stripped of all black votes, who wins?

Thankfully, the black votes are pretty monolithic and not worth the effort for the Repubs to pander to!

Posted by 2HAPPY at 07/22/2008 @ 4:00pm
Cnn shut off the latest major gaffe from mccain calling his campaign staff released prisoners after only 11 comments!!!!!

CNN as a MSN has a right to include EVERYONE'S comments, not just those few favoring the conservative candidate (probably all written by mccain staff)!!!!

CNN is sickening and has no respectability....

mccain needs to get a new campaign: among his daily gaffes was one in the spring in which he already thought the surge had succeeded BEFORE it even began:

"This spring, McCain said troops in Iraq were "down to pre-surge levels" when in fact there were 20,000 more troops than when the surge policy began."

what an airhead…..he probably does not even know who is in his campaign???

he is anti anybody non white but will elect jindal as token non white for vp???

he is anti nuclear energy for other countries but promotes nuclear energy??

Change NOW July 22nd, 2008 3:57 pm ET Your comment is awaiting moderation. he already twice changed his mind on comprehensive immigration reform even as he panders to hispanics, making vague statements like we'll have to work on that, or that is too bad….when your entire family gets deported…..while you are serving in Iraq!!!! this has happened repeatedly under dubya…..

Posted by jrs112 at 07/22/2008 @ 4:28pm
McCain should indeed be worried, not only the media but the entire nation seemed to have fallen for the preacher.

Obama reminds me of that philandering pastor portrayed by Richard Pryor in Which Way Is Up? (1977), who used to get wives pregnant when husbands were absent, a con artist of the first order. Like Obama, Reverend Lenox Thomas sounded magical, inspiring. It's part of their scheme to sound irresistible.

Wall Street is favoring Obama over McCain 2 to 1, that alone should tell a 5yo that Obama is a corporate WHORE waiting to stab Americans in the back.

Obama has no intention of withdrawing from Iraq, he'll leave as many troops as necessary to protect the theft of Iraqi's natural resources for the next 50 years. It'll be a presence similar to the ones we have in 130 other nations, only larger.

Only a fool at this point will see a significant difference between the preacher and John McCain. Oh I forgot, we're THE NATION of fools.

Posted by galatea_doro at 07/22/2008 @ 5:25pm
I'm loving it! Watching Obama play Road Runner to McCain's Wile E. Coyote is the best reality show on TV. And I love all the positive coverage. While I'm sure it smacks of favoritism with Obama's detractors, to me it suggests that the future President of the United States will have the confidence and support of a majority of the American people. And our president is going to need it because we are ALL going to have to pull together if we're going to fix this gigantic mess that Bush and his rethuglicans have left us in.

As for media favoritism, sure the MSM is having a bit of a lovefest with Obama right now. He's the media's darling and that sells newspapers. But don't forget that during the primaries, McCain got a total pass too. He went months without any negative press, even though he didn't just start putting his foot in his mouth. He's been doing this all along, but thanks to the MSM focusing on the Democratic primary, nobody was paying any attention.

McCain has nobody but himself to blame if he squandered all those months instead of boning up on his economics, coming up with solutions and strategies, and cozying up to the press. I can't feel sorry for him.

Posted by gmlaster at 07/22/2008 @ 5:52pm
BOUNCE - Obama, McCave downward spiral:

Gallup Poll daily tracking. Three-day rolling average. N=approx. 2,600 registers voters nationwide. MoE ± 2. June 7, 2008, & earlier: Based on a five-day rolling average. N=approx. 4,400 registers voters nationwide. MoE ± 2.

General Election Trial Heat:

Date____McCain_Obama_Other_Neither_Unsure

7/20/08___41____47____1_____6_____6

7/19/08___42____45____1_____6_____5

7/18/08___43____45____1_____5_____5

7/17/08___44____45____1_____4_____6

Why one could even say that Obama has McCave in a "rope-a-dope"...

LETS GET READY TO RRRRUMMMBLE:

Are McCaves knees still good, does he have anything left, his right was always weak, his endurance is all he's got, but is that enough, he's getting pummeled against the ropes, he's incoherent, but his corner doesn't believe in the white towel, they have no white towel, somebody please oh please give them a white towel-- OH, THE HUMANITY...

Posted by hsuBfools at 07/22/2008 @ 6:46pm
You don't like Nickelback, you don't like Kid Rock. What's left? Posted by Benchrest at 07/22/2008 @ 4:00pm

Ugh. Did you just cite Kid Rock as music.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/22/2008 @ 7:03pm
Ugh. Did you just cite Kid Rock as music.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/22/2008 @ 7:03pm

Yup. You don't go platinum that many times unless you got serious talent. His new album will go platinum as well. It's just a matter of taste(there, I teed one up for everyone), and irritating FZ just for fun.

Posted by Benchrest at 07/22/2008 @ 7:56pm
Yup. You don't go platinum that many times unless you got serious talent. His new album will go platinum as well. It's just a matter of taste(there, I teed one up for everyone), and irritating FZ just for fun. Posted by Benchrest at 07/22/2008 @ 7:56pm

Has he really gone platinum?

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/22/2008 @ 8:05pm
Has he really gone platinum?

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/22/2008 @ 8:05pm

Seven times. Soon to be eight.

Posted by Benchrest at 07/22/2008 @ 8:11pm
The bloggers here and Nichols appear to be equally guilty of this Obama worship. Yet one reporter had the guts and honesty to expose Obama's phony trip.

Andrea Mitchell lays out the truth that the rest of the MSM, the left and even her leftist pals at MSNBC don't want to address

NBC's Andrea Mitchell Blasts Obama for ‘Fake Interviews'

"He didn't have reporters with him, he didn't have a press pool, he didn't do a press conference while he was on the ground in either Afghanistan or Iraq."

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/136003.html

Posted by lvliberty1 at 07/22/2008 @ 8:33pm
Seven times. Soon to be eight. Posted by Benchrest at 07/22/2008 @ 8:11pm

Dear God. What has the world come to.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/22/2008 @ 8:40pm
kid rock is for the goats.

Posted by frosty zoom at 07/22/2008 @ 8:47pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 07/22/2008 @ 8:33pm

Why is it a fake interview because it is not a journalist interview? Isn't it just on camera Q&A? What are only journalists allowed to ask questions? Also why are the shots not legitimate if they aren't taken by the press? It doesn't make it a phony trip just because he didn't bring a cadre of press with him. I can't believe you actually used this to try and say his trip was phony. My God you really don't care about what he is doing or what he stands for. It doesn't matter what he does or says you will find some way to try and make it negative.

Also look more closely of at the footage. I saw a few cameras there that are a little to professional to be military personnel. Look more clearly. Foreign Journalists? Are foreign journalists not real journalists? Hmm I think this lady is full of hot air and the fact that you are using this tawdry "journalism" that is all opinion

Also odd that NBC is getting complaints of covering the Obama trip too heavily if there are no reporters covering it. Hmm this all stinks to me.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/22/2008 @ 8:49pm
kid rock is for the goats.

Posted by frosty zoom at 07/22/2008 @ 8:47pm

LOL! Yes he is.

I hate it when you sugarcoat stuff.

Posted by Benchrest at 07/22/2008 @ 8:59pm
My God you really don't care about what he is doing or what he stands for. It doesn't matter what he does or says you will find some way to try and make it negative.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/22/2008 @ 8:49pm

I do care about what he is doing and stands for. That is why I speak out against him. I presume that is the same reason you are against McCain?

Posted by lvliberty1 at 07/22/2008 @ 9:00pm
I hate it when you sugarcoat stuff.

Posted by Benchrest at 07/22/2008 @ 8:59pm

well, i am posting from overseas....

Posted by frosty zoom at 07/22/2008 @ 9:06pm
well, i am posting from overseas....

Posted by frosty zoom at 07/22/2008 @ 9:06pm

overseas where? why? music gig?

Posted by Benchrest at 07/22/2008 @ 11:20pm
well, i meant outside the u.s.

Posted by frosty zoom at 07/22/2008 @ 11:23pm
well, i meant outside the u.s.

Posted by frosty zoom at 07/22/2008 @ 11:23pm

So you're still on the North American Continent.

return fire for my little joke?

Posted by Benchrest at 07/22/2008 @ 11:27pm
I do care about what he is doing and stands for. That is why I speak out against him. I presume that is the same reason you are against McCain? Posted by lvliberty1 at 07/22/2008 @ 9:00pm

Of course you twist my words to mean something different. So I will restate it so you can't twist it.

You don't care how in line his actions are with your belief in them you will twist it to be negative. He could agree that we need to stay in Iraq longer and you would somehow twist it to be a negative thing against him. You don't care what he believes in as long as he is a Democrat by party name you will find a way to make everything he says a negative thing.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/22/2008 @ 11:43pm
My goats like the Love Theme from Ben Hur performed by the Czech Philharmonic Chamber Orchestra. My god, those strings! The music, not the movie.

Posted by Sorelish at 07/23/2008 @ 02:11am
You don't care how in line his actions are with your belief in them you will twist it to be negative. He could agree that we need to stay in Iraq longer and you would somehow twist it to be a negative thing against him. You don't care what he believes in as long as he is a Democrat by party name you will find a way to make everything he says a negative thing.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/22/2008 @ 11:43pm

Of course your little diatribe is totally without merit. I've told you that I have mostly voted 3rd party so it's not the fact that Obama is a Democrat. It's his utter lack of experience in the world and his positions on most issues.

If he's elected, he will not be as progressive as you hope and Republicans fear. But he will still be way too far to the left for my liking and he has yet to demonstrate why I should have any confidence in his judgment or his ability to make decisions under stress.

Posted by lvliberty1 at 07/23/2008 @ 02:21am
lvliberty1: "Obama Lacks Experience" as long as you can remain uninformed:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR200801 0303303.html

Judge Him by His Laws

By Charles Peters Friday, January 4, 2008; Page A21

"People who complain that Barack Obama lacks experience must be unaware of his legislative achievements. One reason these accomplishments are unfamiliar is that the media have not devoted enough attention to Obama's bills and the effort required to pass them, ignoring impressive, hard evidence of his character and ability...."

Posted by cedecor at 07/23/2008 @ 09:20am
¬<¬ feeds depleted uranium to his family and worships dic'tatorship, of course Obama would be a little to the left of his taste.

¬v¬ is a dying bread, new con repub destroyers of america inc. Good riddance.

Of course ¬>¬ and other surviving new con repub demon worshipers will continue to maneuver and slither about leaving lies in their slimy trails.

But ok, we know who they are by their warped sense of reality; diluting law to unapplicability to none else but themselves. To ¬^¬ everything good is bad, up is down, right is left...etc. always to confuse and blur the defined, cloud the obvious.

But people like ¬<¬ do serve a purpose-- to see the distinction of good evil so clearly.

Posted by hsuBfools at 07/23/2008 @ 09:25am
But he will still be way too far to the left for my liking ....---Posted by lvliberty1 at 07/23/2008 @ 02:21am

LVLIB....EVERYBODY running for President this year is "way too far to the left for my liking". NONE of them want to scrap the New Deal and McCain even supports the idea of man-made global warming and the need for stem-cell research!

Posted by Maskdelta at 07/23/2008 @ 09:25am
Of course your little diatribe is totally without merit. I've told you that I have mostly voted 3rd party so it's not the fact that Obama is a Democrat. It's his utter lack of experience in the world and his positions on most issues. If he's elected, he will not be as progressive as you hope and Republicans fear. But he will still be way too far to the left for my liking and he has yet to demonstrate why I should have any confidence in his judgment or his ability to make decisions under stress. Posted by lvliberty1 at 07/23/2008 @ 02:21am |

Voting 3rd party does not disavow anything I said. When is the last time you voted left? Not center. Left? When is the last time you voted Democrat. I can only guess which parties you voted for but I imagine none of them were left of the center most Democrats. My statement isn't without merit it's just once again you have proven your inability to actually read what a person said and you just apply your own meaning. I never said you only vote Republican, I said you would never ever make a positive statement about a Democrat. That has nothing to do with which party you normally vote for. You should learn to actually UNDERSTAND what someone is saying. Not just read it and then apply whatever meaning you want.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/23/2008 @ 2:31pm
Voting 3rd party does not disavow anything I said. When is the last time you voted left? Not center. Left? When is the last time you voted Democrat. I can only guess which parties you voted for but I imagine none of them were left of the center most Democrats. My statement isn't without merit it's just once again you have proven your inability to actually read what a person said and you just apply your own meaning. I never said you only vote Republican, I said you would never ever make a positive statement about a Democrat. That has nothing to do with which party you normally vote for. You should learn to actually UNDERSTAND what someone is saying. Not just read it and then apply whatever meaning you want.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/23/2008 @ 2:31pm

Well, you are wrong again.

I have said good things about Joe Lieberman, about Sam Nunn, Zell Miller, Scoop Jackson, and I was going to vote for one Democrat for President, Bobby Kennedy, but he was assassinated.

Obviously I would not vote left any more than you would vote right. No one should abandon their beliefs and principles so why do you think that I should?

And since you don't seem to understand principles, I will repeat what I said.

"it's not the fact that Obama is a Democrat. It's his utter lack of experience in the world and his positions on most issues.

If he's elected, he will not be as progressive as you hope and Republicans fear. But he will still be way too far to the left for my liking and he has yet to demonstrate why I should have any confidence in his judgment or his ability to make decisions under stress.

Posted by lvliberty1 at 07/23/2008 @ 02:21am"

Posted by lvliberty1 at 07/23/2008 @ 2:46pm
Well, you are wrong again. I have said good things about Joe Lieberman, about Sam Nunn, Zell Miller, Scoop Jackson, and I was going to vote for one Democrat for President, Bobby Kennedy, but he was assassinated. Obviously I would not vote left any more than you would vote right. No one should abandon their beliefs and principles so why do you think that I should? And since you don't seem to understand principles, I will repeat what I said. "it's not the fact that Obama is a Democrat. It's his utter lack of experience in the world and his positions on most issues. If he's elected, he will not be as progressive as you hope and Republicans fear. But he will still be way too far to the left for my liking and he has yet to demonstrate why I should have any confidence in his judgment or his ability to make decisions under stress. Posted by lvliberty1 at 07/23/2008 @ 02:21am" Posted by lvliberty1 at 07/23/2008 @ 2:46pm

Then tell me something good about Obama because even when he has done things you have agreed with so far you have insulted him for it. So let's see what you can possibly say.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/23/2008 @ 3:03pm
And since you don't seem to understand principles, I will repeat what I said.

Posted by lvliberty1 at 07/23/2008 @ 2:46pm

I understand principles perfectly fine. I am on of those people who's action aren't guided by my wallet. I vote and act solely according to principles. Just because I am not some zealot doesn't mean I don't have principles. I would vote right if a decent non-neo-con candidate came up. I don't dislike right candidates I dislike neo-cons. There are aspects of the ideology of the right that I like. There are aspects of the left ideology that I like. Of course someone like you WOULD claim others don't have principles because they are not zealots such as yourself. Some of us are just smart enough to know that we aren't always right and show be accepting of other information which may supplement or change a view. That's not having a lack of principles that's having and over-abundance of understanding.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 07/23/2008 @ 3:11pm
The proper context for the nonexistent surge:

There have been more US soldier casualties in the 1st 6 months of 2008-- than there were in the 1st 6 months of the Iraq war in 2003.

Posted by hsuBfools at 07/23/2008 @ 9:05pm
So you're still on the North American Continent.

return fire for my little joke?

Posted by Benchrest at 07/22/2008 @ 11:27pm

overseas in an nsa kinda way.

Posted by frosty zoom at 07/23/2008 @ 10:32pm
hey, rev larry:

<i>Only 37 percent of Jews view the Connecticut Independent in a favorable light compared to 48 percent who have a negative perception. As for Obama, 60 percent of Jews view him favorably while 34 percent view him unfavorably.</i>

Posted by frosty zoom at 07/23/2008 @ 11:10pm