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RedditFormer White House spokesman Scott McClellan leaves no doubt that an on-bended-knee press corps made it easier to peddle propaganda about the war in Iraq.
"If anything, the national press corps was probably too deferential to the White House and to the administration in regard to the most important decision facing the nation during my years in Washington, the choice over whether to go to war in Iraq," he writes in his new memoir, What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception (Public Affairs)
"The collapse of the administration's rationales for war, which became apparent months after our invasion, should never have come as such a surprise," McClellan explains. "In this case, the ‘liberal media' didn't live up to its reputation. If it had, the country would have been better served."
There is no mystery as to why the White House might want the press corps to swallow spin.
But why did the reporters do it?
"The press corps was under enormous pressure from corporate executives, frankly, to make sure that this was a war presented in a way that was consistent with the patriotic fever in the nation and the president's high approval ratings," says CNN's Jessica Yellin, who was an MSNBC reporter during the run-up to war and then worked for ABC from the summer of 2003 until the summer of 2007.
Yellin told CNN, "(My) own experience at the White House was that the higher the president's approval ratings, the more pressure I had from news executives--and I was not at this network at the time--but the more pressure I had from news executives to put on positive stories about the president..."
CNN host Anderson Cooper seemed shocked, asking, "You had pressure from news executives to put on positive stories about the president?"
"They wouldn't say it in that way, but they would edit my pieces," explained Yellin. "They would push me in different directions. They would turn down stories that were more critical, and try to put on pieces that were more positive. Yes, that was my experience."
While many current members of the White House press corps are circling the wagons and defending what is left of their credibility -- NBC's David Gregory, who often tangled with McClellan, says, "I think my work speaks for itself and is the clearest refutation of Scott's claim"--a few like Yellin are acknowledging the reality that is now laid bare.
Perhaps the bluntest assessment by an insider of the media's missteps came from CBS Evening News anchor Katie Couric, who said she thought McClellan was "fairly accurate" in his description of a "too deferential" press corps.
"I do think we were remiss in not asking some of the right questions. There was a lot pressure from the Bush White House," said Couric, who worked for NBC when the war was approaching. "I remember doing an interview and the press secretary called our executive producer and said, ‘We didn't like the tone of that interview.' And we said, "Well, tough. We had to ask some of these questions." They said, ‘Well, if you keep it up, we're going to block access to you during the war.' I mean, those kind of strong-arm tactics were ... really inappropriate."
Phil Donahue agrees.
Though he is best known as the pioneer of daytime talk television, Donahue was hosting an evening talk show on MSNBC as the war approached. That show was canceled when NBC executives decided they did not want to air dissenting voices-- even if the dissenters happened to be right. "The board members of the large megamedia companies, while America is waving the flag and supporting the president, do not want their cable or television channels to be occupied by dissent, protest, all the rights that have been fought for and died for in past wars," says Donahue.
Of his former MSNBC/NBC colleagues, Donahue says, "Both Katie and Jessica are absolutely correct. It is a shame that we don't have this kind of commentary from more of the male anchors who were at the center of the coverage in October 2002."
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The greatest thing about this man is he's steady. You know where he stands. He believes the same thing Wednesday that he believed on Monday, no matter what happened Tuesday. Events can change; this man's beliefs never will. As excited as I am to be here with the president, I am appalled to be surrounded by the liberal media that is destroying America, with the exception of Fox News. Fox News gives you both sides of every story: the president's side, and the vice president's side.
But the rest of you, what are you thinking, reporting on NSA wiretapping or secret prisons in eastern Europe? Those things are secret for a very important reason: they're super-depressing. And if that's your goal, well, misery accomplished. Over the last five years you people were so good -- over tax cuts, WMD intelligence, the effect of global warming. We Americans didn't want to know, and you had the courtesy not to try to find out. Those were good times, as far as we knew.
But, listen, let's review the rules. Here's how it works: the president makes decisions. He's the decider. The press secretary announces those decisions, and you people of the press type those decisions down. Make, announce, type. Just put 'em through a spell check and go home. Get to know your family again. Make love to your wife. Write that novel you got kicking around in your head. You know, the one about the intrepid Washington reporter with the courage to stand up to the administration. You know - fiction!
stephen colbert, sept. 2006
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/30/2008 @ 10:09pm
thank you, bill clinton for
THE TELL US COMMUNICATION ACT of 1996!
ACT 1.
the scene: a 3rd stone from a sun....
the plot: burnable goo, coveted by all, causes numerous intrigues.
the cast: too few to be believable.
<i>all the world's our stage, so go watch "America I'mDull"......</i>
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/30/2008 @ 10:19pm
Posted by libzsuck at 05/30/2008 | ignore this person | warn this person
quackity quack quack quack!
its great when a plan comes together...
and sux when it all falls apart!!!!
its all falling apart, LIBZ...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/30/2008 @ 11:01pm
All the media attention on the media - hope it lasts, fear it won't because no surprise nobody's nailing it: corporatocracy / legal monopolization / failed fourth estate / calls for bold legislation. The system's pathological -has been, still is. At least Obama's commented and put forth the outline of a solution.
Posted by winyahn at 05/30/2008 @ 11:34pm
Man, that nice Fuddrucker burger is conducive to BShitting.....LOL!
Posted by HAPPY3 at 05/30/2008 | ignore this person | warn this person
what it means is that the neocons have blown their wad and the shit is hittin' the fan.
good story there...
fuckrudder? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/31/2008 @ 12:06am
What all this HAPPY mumble jumble is, the Libs have managed to equalized a large part of our mainstream pieces.......the conventional press and the conventional stock analysts.......they are all about equally average (or bad), and most of them, aren't worth the above-average's time...:~)
Posted by HAPPY3 at 05/30/2008 | ignore this person | warn this person
.
As my Grandfather used to say...
...this is Happy...
...horse shit.
Posted by Lillian at 05/31/2008 @ 12:17am
Posted by lvliberty1
Wrong on CBS, as McClellan points out, all the big corporate media behaved similarly.
"Too deferential". Said another way, all the big corporate media behaved like Dittoheads.
Posted by winyahn at 05/31/2008 @ 12:41am
ibbleblibble
speaking of freedompress:
good news!
glenn beck is going to be in your neighbourhood real soon.
http://toponlinetickets.com/ResultsTicket.aspx?evtid=829062&event=Glenn+ Beck
holy moly good googlymoogly!
¡¿¡¿$203.50!?!?
anyways,
it was surreal -- glenn bleck interviews ray kurzweil...........
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 01:23am
what it means is that the neocons have blown their wad and the shit is hittin' the fan.
Posted by ibbleblibble
they ejaculate feces?
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 01:25am
If the left is going to rely on people like this for their credibility they really have lost it.
Posted by lvliberty1
yeah,
smart people rely on G™D for their "credibility".
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 01:28am
I almost always run ahead of, feeding on the fresh GREEN grass while they follow behind scavenging hard for what's left.....LOL!
Posted by HAPPY3
charging forward to get to the abattoir first.....
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 01:31am
debating about the slantitude of the various
megacorpnews offerings,
has the same value as debating which of the big three burgerizers is "a more healthygreen" alternative.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 01:35am
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/31/2008
--If the left is going to rely on people like this for their credibility they really have lost it.--
Well then... how about... Former White House spokesman Scott McClellan...
It just takes a few straggling snowflakes... to get the whole snowball rolling. At a certain point, it doesn't matter what you think of their personal credentials when they speak the truth.
...especially in avalanche territory...
Posted by ttr at 05/31/2008 @ 01:42am
they ejaculate feces?
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 | ignore this person | warn this person
yes...and they insert themselves inside themselves too...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/31/2008 @ 02:10am
If, as is most likely, nothing substantive happens as a result of McClellan's book, look for more preemptive wars, for example, as the imperial project stumbles on.
Without impeachment, the republic continues to die, the criminal precedents described by, inter al, O'Neill & McClellan, allowed to stand as examples of the crimes future admins can get away with.
Posted by sloper at 05/31/2008 @ 02:12am
Posted by sloper
quit your bitchin'!
FIGHT LEAGUE! is broadcasting live from the mall.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 02:14am
This McClellan thing might have more legs than you think Sloper. He's already said he'll appear before the House and answer questions. And I get the strangest feeling "executive privilege" isn't going to mute him. So this could get very interesting...
Posted by yutsano at 05/31/2008 @ 02:40am
If the left is going to rely on people like this for their credibility they really have lost it.
Posted by lvliberty1
What about: Richard Clarke? Paul O'Neill? and all of the Foreign Service officials and military officers from Diplomats and Military Comanders for Change?
Posted by koroviev at 05/31/2008 @ 04:44am
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008
Don't get confused, FROSTY. Lefties are taught to think in cliches, slogans, and trite metaphors. It's why they can't keep from mixing them and stringing them together. Most of the posts here by liberals, and speeches by Obama for that matter, could be reliably replicated by a random cliche/blather generator. As devoid of actual insights, ideas, and understanding as water in Death Valley in July, most of these cliches can be summed up by one word: gimme.
Posted by pontificus at 05/31/2008 @ 08:47am
"Don't get confused, FROSTY. Lefties are taught to think in cliches, slogans, and trite metaphors."
Posted by pontificus at 05/31/2008 | ignore this person | warn this person
oh yeah...righties NEVER EVER think/talk in cliches, slogans, and trite metaphors.
they just use prepackaged talking points...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/31/2008 @ 10:11am
Frosty, you left out the punch line of Stephen Colbert's address to the White House Press Corp in 2006:
And, of course, we can't forget the man of the hour, new press secretary, Tony Snow. Secret Service name, "Snow Job." Toughest job. What a hero. Took the second toughest job in government, next to, of course, the ambassador to Iraq.
Got some big shoes to fill, Tony. Big shoes to fill. Scott McClellan could say nothing like nobody else. McClellan, of course, eager to retire. Really felt like he needed to spend more time with Andrew Card's children. Mr. President, I wish you hadn't made the decision so quickly, sir.
I was vying for the job myself. I think I would have made a fabulous press secretary. I have nothing but contempt for these people. I know how to handle these clowns.
Posted by jread_21205 at 05/31/2008 @ 11:06am
Posted by pontificus at 05/31/2008
Haha! You couldn't really think of anything real to criticize so you made a sweeping ad hominem attack on Frosty and "the left". Your latent envy of his clever style is now apparent.
Posted by MATTMAN at 05/31/2008 @ 11:16am
yutsano: ***And I get the strangest feeling "executive privilege" isn't going to mute him.
Dana Perino thinks it will...
QUESTION: Could the White House block him from testifying, if he wanted to testify? Or how does that work?
PERINO: Conceivably?
QUESTION: Yes.
PERINO: Hypothetically, which I'm not supposed to answer a hypothetical, yes, I think so. The law would allow for that. But by saying that, I'm not suggesting that that's what would happen or not happen.
Posted by Balrog at 05/31/2008 @ 11:31am
That pontificus quote is very funny. Perfect example of ascribing to others your own behavior as a defense. I don't know what it is but the conservative posters here have been making dumber and dumber comments - and going for broad stroke "left" arguments that are so sad as to almost defy belief. Is it McCain's influence or you guys forgotten what it's like to actually present reasonable arguments rather than just going with the gut and your "decider"?
Posted by srjenkins at 05/31/2008 @ 12:09pm
srjenkins:***I don't know what it is but the conservative posters here have been making dumber and dumber comments - and going for broad stroke "left" arguments that are so sad as to almost defy belief.
They can't defend specific issues so they attack in stereotypical generalities. A desperation due to a lack of defendable ground.
Posted by Balrog at 05/31/2008 @ 12:34pm
Interesting to read the right-wing responses here....sort of babbling and knee-jerk, and the reason is obvious
It's an article attacking the MS Media...which they attack...
but the reason is due to the MSM kowtowing and letting Bush get away with going to war....a war they support.
So you can see their dilemma (most obvious in HAPP's ramblings about "stock analysts"!!?!??!)
they want to agree, but they can't agree entirely because it would mean that they're agreeing that the Media dropped the ball when it came to full investigations of the run-up to Iraq.
Posted by Mask at 05/31/2008 @ 1:43pm
Mask: ***they want to agree, but they can't agree entirely because it would mean that they're agreeing that the Media dropped the ball when it came to full investigations of the run-up to Iraq.
And agreeing would burst the "liberal media" myth.
Posted by Balrog at 05/31/2008 @ 3:07pm
And agreeing would burst the "liberal media" myth.----Posted by Balrog at 05/31/2008
Exactly. You see their dilemma.
Agree that the Media dropped the ball, but that means agreeing that a more thorough journalistic look at the run-up to the war would have SUNK it (or atleast raised more alarm bells) and ruined the war policy they agree with.
Posted by Mask at 05/31/2008 @ 3:56pm
Mask, Balrog - well said
They had it mighty good for so long. The media did everything they could hope for, and they still complained about bias. The old redneck wifebeater mentality. She's lost all sense of reality, walks around on eggshells, takes the abuse, cowers, apologizes, tells him he's precious, kingly. And he abuses his privileges even more. That monarch of mobile homes. Run of the mill West Virginia Dicky Cheneys, Rush lovers, Happ's and Pontis. Yes, they had it good. Shooting squirrels and brown people and blaming anything that questioned them even in the mildest form, branding them as disloyal, unAmerican, whores, bitches, facists...
Posted by winyahn at 05/31/2008 @ 4:09pm
In any discussion of the media and it's liberal tilt, it's always amusing to hear the 'progressives' explanations of why their most hated network, Fox News, is the most popular. Fox regularly beats the pants off of the largely left wing media, which surveys show is 85 percent Democratic. I think this pretty much shows who's on the fringe, now doesn't it?
Posted by pontificus at 05/31/2008 @ 4:45pm
And here we have the real reason why The Nation thinks we need more 'diversity', i.e., government control, over what people choose to use as their news source.
"Wednesday May 28, 2008 May Ratings: FNC Stays On Top
For the 77th consecutive month, FNC finished first in total day and prime time ratings during May. FNC was the sixth highest rated cable network on all of basic cable during prime time for the month (CNN and MSNBC finished 19th and 26th) and the seventh rated network in total day (CNN and MSNBC were 19th and 27th).
FNC also had 11 out of the top 13 programs in cable during the month in Total Viewers. The O'Reilly Factor was the #1 program in cable news for the 90th consecutive month, and saw gains in Total Viewers year-to-year (26%).
Amercia's Newsroom (9-11amET) was up 30% year-to-year, with the program averaging more viewers than CNN and MSNBC combined during the time period.
Meanwhile, On the Record with Greta Van Susteren has been #1 for 73 consecutive months in Total Viewers while Hannity & Colmes has been #1 in its timeslot for 54 consecutive months."
Posted by pontificus at 05/31/2008 @ 5:03pm
This is what it's all about folks - the left's basic contempt for the American people and First Amendment. Sure, they're in favor of free speech - as long as they control what people say. Orwell would be sooooo proud.
Posted by pontificus at 05/31/2008 @ 5:13pm
How do we go from a right-wing whistle blower showing clearly that the media had it's collective tongue stuck up King George's butt, to "Damn liberals want to end free speech"?
If the white house threatens journalists to keep them churning out happy pablum and ignore bad things, seems to me like the speech is indeed being restricted, but not by liberals.
Posted by johnny canuck at 05/31/2008 @ 5:28pm
Johnny Canuck:***How do we go from a right-wing whistle blower showing clearly that the media had it's collective tongue stuck up King George's butt, to "Damn liberals want to end free speech"?
No doubt. Surprised he doesn't have whiplash after spinning that hard.
BTW, when I (rarely) watch the news, network or cable, I watch Fox. It's good comedy. People like me probably boost their ratings more than they think...
Posted by Balrog at 05/31/2008 @ 5:36pm
Posted by pontificus at 05/31/2008 "Fox News, is the most popular. Fox regularly beats the pants off of the largely left wing media"
Even if that were true (and like Fixed News itself, that's only partly true), what does it say? "American Idol" is the #1 and #2 rated program. "Dancing with the Stars" is #3. If not watching those makes someone "fringe," then I say "good on you."
Truth and popularity are not only not the same, they're not even corollary.
Posted by Radscal at 05/31/2008 @ 6:20pm
Once again our local righties prove they don't give a damn about proof. They only will admit to the proof if it supports THEIR conclusions. They would quote Scott McClellan when he was parroting the White House line. Now that he is going against what they think is right he is a liar. They are getting all the proof in the world that they were lied to and sold a package of shit wrapped in frilly paper and yet they will never back down. I bet President Bush himself could walk out on a stage and say I lied to all of you and they would say he was a liar working for the libs. Give it up guys. They will NEVER change their tack no matter how wrong they are proven.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/31/2008 @ 6:29pm
Don't get confused, FROSTY.
[•••• no way! getting confused can be fun. ••••]
Lefties are taught to think in cliches, slogans, and trite metaphors.
[•••• actually, that seems quite universal:
"Whether it is different this time than it has ever been before, I believe the Republican Party has a platform that is a banner of bold, unmistakable colors, with no pastel shades." ••••]
It's why they can't keep from mixing them and stringing them together.
[•••• let 'em have it, shakespeare! ••••]
Most of the posts here by liberals, and speeches by Obama for that matter, could be reliably replicated by a random cliche/blather generator.
[•••• ©Bush Industries, Unlimited ••••]
As devoid of actual insights, ideas, and understanding as water in Death Valley in July,
[•••• Death Valley ROCKS (Recreation Outdoor Campaign for Kids thru Study) is the realization of Park Su- perintendent J.T. Reynolds career long dream that students experience nature and history firsthand.
During his 30+ years with the National Park Service, Reynolds has worked personally and professionally to help students main- tain self esteem in a world that is often at odds with this goal.
"Spending time out of doors enables students to learn in a different way and is reflected in their intellect, memo- ries, and hearts rather than just in their scholastic grades," Reynolds said.
Death Valley ROCKS fuses the wisdom of established outdoor pro- grams at other National Parks with new, experimental methods to bring students from inner city schools in Nevada and California to the park. Students, many visiting the desert and Death Valley National Park for the first time, have the opportunity to con- tribute to the park by completing work projects, learning about the desert and themselves.
http://www.nps.gov/deva/upload/Visitor%20Guide%202008-2.pdf
ha ha -- that's YOUR tax money! sheesh, the nerve. helping kids. how dare they! ••••]
most of these cliches can be summed up by one word: gimme.
[•••• yeah! remember how sweden stole iraq? ••••]
Poosted by pontificus
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 6:42pm
Frosty and "the left"
now, THAT'S a band that knows how to throw down:
MASK: Led Vocals
LIBSWARNEDU: Primal Screams and Utterances
IBBLBLBLBLE: Trumpet
SRJENKINS: Godaphone
ED JR.: Flügelhorn
LILLIAN: Lead Tambourine
CRABWALK: Drums
MATTMAN: Güiro
FROSTY ZOOM: Bass
GOYADAD: Lead Guitar
BENCHREST: Rhythm Bouzouki
SLOPER: Keys
WINYAHN, DARLADOON, YUTSANO: Additional Vocals and Sundry Percussion
anybody know a good bassoonist? maybe mett?
***** LOOK FOR THEIR UP-COMING NOVEMBER, 2008 RELEASE, "CUT THE 'HOPE' CRAP, PROVE IT!" *****
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 7:00pm
hey ponti, here's a metaphor, for you.
the worst of obama's cliches:
"First, we must overcome something the present administration has cooked up:
a new and altogether indigestible economic stew,
one part inflation,
*** oh, we got that! ***
one part high unemployment,
*** they closed the plant! ***
one part recession,
*** yep! ***
one part deficit spending
*** 10 trillium! ***
and seasoned by an energy crisis.
*** pump pimps! ***
It's an economic stew that has turned the national stomach."
*** please don't flatulate! ***
we can't let someone spouting clichés like those in the ovoid office, now can we?
blather.....
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 7:08pm
hey ponti, here's a metaphor, for you.
the worst of obama's cliches:
"First, we must overcome something the present administration has cooked up:
a new and altogether indigestible economic stew,
one part inflation,
*** oh, we got that! ***
one part high unemployment,
*** they closed the plant! ***
one part recession,
*** yep! ***
one part deficit spending
*** 10 trillium! ***
and seasoned by an energy crisis.
*** pump pimps! ***
It's an economic stew that has turned the national stomach."
*** please don't flatulate! ***
we can't let someone spouting clichés like those in the ovoid office, now can we?
blather.....
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 7:10pm
hey ponti, here's a metaphor, for you.
the worst of obama's cliches:
"First, we must overcome something the present administration has cooked up:
a new and altogether indigestible economic stew,
one part inflation,
*** oh, we got that! ***
one part high unemployment,
*** they closed the plant! ***
one part recession,
*** yep! ***
one part deficit spending
*** 10 trillium! ***
and seasoned by an energy crisis.
*** pump pimps! ***
It's an economic stew that has turned the national stomach."
*** please don't flatulate! ***
we can't let someone spouting clichés like those in the ovoid office, now can we?
blather.....
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 7:10pm
hey ponti, here's a metaphor, for you.
the worst of obama's cliches:
"First, we must overcome something the present administration has cooked up:
a new and altogether indigestible economic stew,
one part inflation,
*** oh, we got that! ***
one part high unemployment,
*** they closed the plant! ***
one part recession,
*** yep! ***
one part deficit spending
*** 10 trillium! ***
and seasoned by an energy crisis.
*** pump pimps! ***
It's an economic stew that has turned the national stomach."
*** please don't flatulate! ***
we can't let someone spouting clichés like those in the ovoid office, now can we?
blather.....
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 7:10pm
hey ponti, here's a metaphor, for you.
the worst of obama's cliches:
"First, we must overcome something the present administration has cooked up:
a new and altogether indigestible economic stew,
one part inflation,
*** oh, we got that! ***
one part high unemployment,
*** they closed the plant! ***
one part recession,
*** yep! ***
one part deficit spending
*** 10 trillium! ***
and seasoned by an energy crisis.
*** pump pimps! ***
It's an economic stew that has turned the national stomach."
*** please don't flatulate! ***
we can't let someone spouting clichés like those in the ovoid office, now can we?
blather.....
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 7:11pm
hey ponti, here's a metaphor, for you.
the worst of obama's cliches:
"First, we must overcome something the present administration has cooked up:
a new and altogether indigestible economic stew,
one part inflation,
*** oh, we got that! ***
one part high unemployment,
*** they closed the plant! ***
one part recession,
*** yep! ***
one part deficit spending
*** 10 trillium! ***
and seasoned by an energy crisis.
*** pump pimps! ***
It's an economic stew that has turned the national stomach."
*** please don't flatulate! ***
we can't let someone spouting clichés like those in the ovoid office, now can we?
blather.....
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 7:11pm
hey ponti, here's a metaphor, for you.
the worst of obama's cliches:
"First, we must overcome something the present administration has cooked up:
a new and altogether indigestible economic stew,
one part inflation,
*** oh, we got that! ***
one part high unemployment,
*** they closed the plant! ***
one part recession,
*** yep! ***
one part deficit spending
*** 10 trillium! ***
and seasoned by an energy crisis.
*** pump pimps! ***
It's an economic stew that has turned the national stomach."
*** please don't flatulate! ***
we can't let someone spouting clichés like those in the ovoid office, now can we?
blather.....
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 7:12pm
hey ponti, here's a metaphor, for you.
the worst of obama's cliches:
"First, we must overcome something the present administration has cooked up:
a new and altogether indigestible economic stew,
one part inflation,
*** oh, we got that! ***
one part high unemployment,
*** they closed the plant! ***
one part recession,
*** yep! ***
one part deficit spending
*** 10 trillium! ***
and seasoned by an energy crisis.
*** pump pimps! ***
It's an economic stew that has turned the national stomach."
*** please don't flatulate! ***
we can't let someone spouting clichés like those in the ovoid office, now can we?
blather.....
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 7:12pm
hey ponti, here's a metaphor, for you.
the worst of obama's cliches:
"First, we must overcome something the present administration has cooked up:
a new and altogether indigestible economic stew,
one part inflation,
*** oh, we got that! ***
one part high unemployment,
*** they closed the plant! ***
one part recession,
*** yep! ***
one part deficit spending
*** 10 trillium! ***
and seasoned by an energy crisis.
*** pump pimps! ***
It's an economic stew that has turned the national stomach."
*** please don't flatulate! ***
we can't let someone spouting clichés like those in the ovoid office, now can we?
blather.....
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 7:12pm
hey ponti, here's a metaphor, for you.
the worst of obama's cliches:
"First, we must overcome something the present administration has cooked up:
a new and altogether indigestible economic stew,
one part inflation,
*** oh, we got that! ***
one part high unemployment,
*** they closed the plant! ***
one part recession,
*** yep! ***
one part deficit spending
*** 10 trillium! ***
and seasoned by an energy crisis.
*** pump pimps! ***
It's an economic stew that has turned the national stomach."
*** please don't flatulate! ***
we can't let someone spouting clichés like those in the ovoid office, now can we?
blather.....
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 7:12pm
hey ponti, here's a metaphor, for you.
the worst of obama's cliches:
"First, we must overcome something the present administration has cooked up:
a new and altogether indigestible economic stew,
one part inflation,
*** oh, we got that! ***
one part high unemployment,
*** they closed the plant! ***
one part recession,
*** yep! ***
one part deficit spending
*** 10 trillium! ***
and seasoned by an energy crisis.
*** pump pimps! ***
It's an economic stew that has turned the national stomach."
*** please don't flatulate! ***
we can't let someone spouting clichés like those in the ovoid office, now can we?
blather.....
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 7:13pm
one more try
heheh
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 7:13pm
hey ponti, here's a metaphor, for you.
the worst of obama's cliches:
"First, we must overcome something the present administration has cooked up:
a new and altogether indigestible economic stew,
one part inflation,
*** oh, we got that! ***
one part high unemployment,
*** they closed the plant! ***
one part recession,
*** yep! ***
one part deficit spending
*** 10 trillium! ***
and seasoned by an energy crisis.
*** pump pimps! ***
It's an economic stew that has turned the national stomach."
*** please don't flatulate! ***
we can't let someone spouting clichés like those in the ovoid office, now can we?
blather.....
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 7:13pm
hey ponti, here's a metaphor, for you.
the worst of obama's cliches:
"First, we must overcome something the present administration has cooked up:
a new and altogether indigestible economic stew,
one part inflation,
*** oh, we got that! ***
one part high unemployment,
*** they closed the plant! ***
one part recession,
*** yep! ***
one part deficit spending
*** 10 trillium! ***
and seasoned by an energy crisis.
*** pump pimps! ***
It's an economic stew that has turned the national stomach."
*** please don't flatulate! ***
we can't let someone spouting clichés like those in the ovoid office, now can we?
blather.....
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 7:13pm
time warpage to the maximum!
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 7:14pm
warpage!
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 7:15pm
hey ponti, here's a metaphor, for you.
the worst of obama's cliches:
"First, we must overcome something the present administration has cooked up:
a new and altogether indigestible economic stew,
one part inflation,
*** oh, we got that! ***
one part high unemployment,
*** they closed the plant! ***
one part recession,
*** yep! ***
one part deficit spending
*** 10 trillium! ***
and seasoned by an energy crisis.
*** pump pimps! ***
It's an economic stew that has turned the national stomach."
*** please don't flatulate! ***
we can't let someone spouting clichés like those in the ovoid office, now can we?
blather.....
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 7:15pm
i have defeated you, <b>webmiester!</b>
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 7:16pm
Posted by johnny canuck at 05/31/2008
"How do we go from a right-wing whistle blower showing clearly that the media had it's collective tongue stuck up King George's butt, to "Damn liberals want to end free speech"?"
Well, Johnny, I realize I must be going too fast for you so I'll explain it to you. If you pay attention here at The Nation, Nichols typically follows up his lamentations regarding the 'lack of diversity' in the media with a piece on how the FCC is failing to do it's job in 'reining in an out of control media'. Then, Chuck Schumer, Pat Leahy, and the other moonbat representatives hold hearings on how the FCC is failing to police proper speech, and failing to halt 'media consolidation' (e.g., pretty much anything to do with Rupert Murdoch) on the airwaves. See the connection now?
"If the white house threatens journalists to keep them churning out happy pablum and ignore bad things, seems to me like the speech is indeed being restricted, but not by liberals."
Yah, right. The White House 'threatens' journalists? Sure. In which world?
Posted by pontificus at 05/31/2008 @ 8:43pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008
"ha ha -- that's YOUR tax money! sheesh, the nerve. helping kids. how dare they! ••••]"
Helping kids, by giving them lectures in how to raise their 'self-esteem'? Gee, now THAT'S useful. Maybe they can all get jobs at a self-esteem company when they graduate! Or they can learn to play drums!
How about giving them a good education? Nah, the public education establishment gave up on THAT a long time ago. Too testable, I guess.
Posted by pontificus at 05/31/2008 @ 8:46pm
Yah, right. The White House 'threatens' journalists? Sure. In which world?
Posted by pontificus
in iraq:
Fmr. Military Intelligence Sgt. Reveals US Listed Palestine Hotel in Baghdad as Target Prior to Killing of Two Journalists in 2003
Last month marked the fifth anniversary of the US military shelling of the Palestine Hotel in Baghdad. The attack killed two journalists: Reuters cameraman Taras Protsyuk and Jose Couso, a cameraman for the Spanish television network Telecinco. The Pentagon has called the killings accidental, but in this broadcast exclusive Army Sgt. Adrienne Kinne (Ret.) reveals she saw secret US military documents that listed the hotel as a possible target. Kinne also discloses that she was personally ordered to eavesdrop on Americans working for news organizations and NGOs in Iraq. [includes rush transcript]
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 8:50pm
Posted by Radscal at 05/31/2008 |
'Fringe' is a relative term which is defined by being out of the mainstream. As you seem to be admitting, the mainstream plainly and obviously belongs to Fox News, since it is by far the most successful and most watched news channel. Yes, that does make you folks 'fringe'. I think the contempt you show for the American public's taste in programming (American Idol) pretty much speaks for itself, so thanks for being so obliging.
Posted by pontificus at 05/31/2008 @ 8:52pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008
Wow, FROSTY (slurp, slurp). That certainly proves your case! The White House intimidated the entire White House Press Corp by firing one shell at a hotel in Iraq! Brilliant! Which kool-aid should I be slurping here, orange (for 'Bush is an evil genius with virtually unlimited power') or Purple ('Bush is a moron'). Or is it both?
Posted by pontificus at 05/31/2008 @ 8:55pm
your right, ponti:
those inner city kids haven't earned a day in the wilderness.
they should be shining shoes!
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 8:56pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 |
"those inner city kids haven't earned a day in the wilderness.they should be shining shoes!"
I guess with all those self esteem classes, who needs a skill? As long as you feel good about yourself, who cares if you're ignorant and uneducated, right FROSTY? Wow, with friends like you, those 'inner city' kids don't need enemies, now do they?
Posted by pontificus at 05/31/2008 @ 9:02pm
The widespread conviction among Democrats that we are destined to fail in Iraq was the key to Barack Obama's emergence as Presidential front-runner. He postured himself as the candidate who had opposed the war from the beginning. But what helped Obama in the Democratic primaries may prove his undoing in the general election. Through the months when Obama's dedication to failure was bringing him closer to the nomination, conditions in Iraq were improving, not worsening. This contradiction is now becoming acute, and Obama faces it squarely as he tries to decide whether, how and when to go to Iraq.
The McCain campaign understands Obama's discomfiture; hence McCain's invitation to Obama to accompany him on a trip there, and the campaign's running tally of the number of days since Obama visited Iraq in 2006. The problem for Obama is that it is hard to see how he can go to Iraq without acknowledging that the surge has succeeded, violence has been reduced, and the Iraqis are making considerable political progress. If he goes to Iraq, he has to meet with generals, soldiers and Marines, and they will tell him these things. But if Obama admits that we are succeeding in Iraq, he is admitting that John McCain was right all along. He can't do that.
For the time being, Obama can dodge the problem by staying away from Iraq and speaking in platitudes before adoring audiences of hard-core Democrats. But the problem won't go away. Obama's Iraq policy is increasingly at odds with realities on the ground, and more and more voters are becoming aware of that fact. Obama can't stay away from Iraq until November. His advisers must be trying to figure out how to fit such a trip into a narrative that will hold water through the election. For now, they may just be hoping for things to get worse. But when they do finally announce a trip to Iraq, the nature of that visit will likely hold the key to how Obama intends to handle the increasingly dangerous (for him) issue of Iraq in the fall.
Posted by pontificus at 05/31/2008 @ 9:04pm
keep 'em locked up in the 'hood.
god's country is for republicans who can pay to get there.
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 @ 9:36pm
"But why did the reporters do it?
"The press corps was under enormous pressure from corporate executives, .." "
That would be Jews, right? Correct, please, if that's wrong.
It was Jews, alright. None of these people quoted, nor McClellan, gurglin gergen, fat ass Ailes, reptile Rollins or any of them, can get themselves to use the J word. As in "Zionist", of course, since its their satanic group-fantasy narrative that has driven the group-thinking press. Certainly Cooper is one of the queer variety; aLso, presumably, David ("the I-man likes me") Gregory, though he may be just a Cath-o-goy on-hanger.
Solidarity of lizard brain functions prevail. "WHAT HAPPENED" <=> "WHAT'S HAPPENING".
Not: "WHEN THE FREE PRESS FAILS DEMOCRACY", Nichols. "WHEN THE CONTROLLED PRESS KILLED DEMOCRACY".
Posted by jones at 05/31/2008 @ 10:13pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008
Can't sing....sorry.
Posted by Mask at 05/31/2008 @ 10:41pm
Posted by pontificus at 05/31/2008
He'd be in the Green Zone, with dozens of choppers overhead, wearing a flak jacket, and listening to guys sitting behind a desk with their CAREERS on the line (see: Gen. Shinseki) telling Obama the "best news".
That is not "going to Iraq" and McCain and his campaign advisors know it.
It's about scoring points on Maverick John's end of the playing field.
Posted by Mask at 05/31/2008 @ 10:47pm
Frosty, I'm a double reedist. :-) Though I can do background vocals too.
Posted by yutsano at 06/01/2008 @ 01:22am
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008
SORELISH; Oud
Unable to accompany group due to placement on the no-fly list.
Posted by Sorelish at 06/01/2008 @ 01:28am
All the media wants is to sell, period. They might have some liberal reporters who are actually free to cast opinions to please a fraction of the public, only if it does not conflict with "the general policy of the station" or with the advertisers. And generally it does not, so that is the reason some of the media are called liberal.
Another different thing, sometimes a duty even bigger than argumentation, is investigative journalism. This is where the media fails chronically; at least at the higher levels of government. Both things occur, goverment is too closed - specially with this administration- and there is not that "willingness" to take those chores by the media - probably with the fragile exception of the NY Times and the Post who now and then come up with some spicy stories. Luckily enough there was a Woodward and Bernstein for a Watergate; these days the people are just not acute enough.
What the media - specially the TV - won't do ever is go against a perceived "strong current of public opinion". And that is exactly what they thought the mood of the public was after 9-11 and the decision to go to war: patriotism at its highest fever. Corolary: look always at the facts, and your media will win in the long term and that starts by being always honest.
Posted by Frank42 at 06/01/2008 @ 05:47am
Posted by Mask at 05/31/2008
The gist of the article, my friend, is how long Obama can keep up the increasingly untenable fiction that a) the surge did not work and that b) Iraq continues to make progress towards a stable democratic society. Sure, you anonymous posters here on The Nation can continue indefinitely to slurp the kool-aid that none of this is so, but Obama has to answers to millions of voters who are not so inclined. Thus, the conundrum.
Posted by pontificus at 06/01/2008 @ 08:28am
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008 |
FROSTY, in every election since I was a young'un the economy has ALWAYS been in a crisis, according to the media, in a Presidential election year. This is especially true when the incumbent President is a Republican. The only exceptions were when Clinton was running for re-election, when everything was just peachy. Half the stuff you post about the supposed 'crisis' in the economy (e.g., unemployment being high), is purely imaginary. I realize you're simply spouting what you've been told by the media (which reinforces what you WANT to believe, anyway), but many of us are not so easily manipulated (fortunately).
Posted by pontificus at 06/01/2008 @ 08:36am
More confirmation comes today from a former writer at CNN during the run-up to the invasion of Iraq. Writing in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution of 1 June, Jim Sutherland describes how CNN chief news executive Eason Jordan and President Jim Walton held court.
Sutherland explains how "... their modus operandi was to go along with the pro-war sentiment that was sweeping the country (and boosting ratings at Fox). Questioning the war was not part of the mission. There were some in the newsroom, for instance, during Colin Powell's speech to the U.N., asking who CNN was putting on the air immediately afterward to question what he said. The answer was no one...."
---------------- For the complete column go to the AJC online: http://www.ajc.com/search/content/opinion/stories/2008/06/01/mediawar.ht ml
Henry Kahn, Atlanta
Posted by hkahn at 06/01/2008 @ 10:00am
now, THAT'S a band that knows how to throw down:
ED JR.: Flügelhorn
LILLIAN: Lead Tambourine
* LOOK FOR THEIR UP-COMING NOVEMBER, 2008 RELEASE, "CUT THE 'HOPE' CRAP, PROVE IT!" *****
Posted by frosty zoom at 05/31/2008
The tone is fatter and usually regarded as more "mellow" and "dark" than that of the trumpet or cornet. The sound of the flugelhorn has been described as approximately halfway between a trumpet and a horn, whereas the cornet's sound has been described as approximately halfway between a trumpet and a flugelhorn[3]. The flugelhorn has a similar level of agility to the cornet but is more difficult to control in the high register (from approximately written G above the staff), where in general it "slots" or locks onto notes less easily. It is not generally used for aggressive or bright displays as both trumpet and cornet can be, but tends more towards a softer and more reflective role.
Posted by emile duBois at 06/01/2008 @ 10:59am
Posted by yutsano
cool. oboe.
Posted by Sorelish
oud. cool. don't worry -- i've got us a fusion powered tour bus.
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/01/2008 @ 11:05am
but many of us are not so easily manipulated (fortunately).
Posted by pontificus
ha ha
that was reagan i quoted.
Posted by frosty zoom at 06/01/2008 @ 11:09am
Posted by emile duBois at 06/1/2008
Finally, emile, you have found a subject where you actually seem to know what you're talking about. Baby steps!
Posted by pontificus at 06/01/2008 @ 12:43pm
<i>Pontificus: The gist of the article, my friend, is how long Obama can keep up the increasingly untenable fiction that a) the surge did not work and that b) Iraq continues to make progress towards a stable democratic society. Sure, you anonymous posters here on The Nation can continue indefinitely to slurp the kool-aid that none of this is so, but Obama has to answers to millions of voters who are not so inclined. Thus, the conundrum. <i>
Fiction has been always the preferred Republican subject (they will receive us with applauses when we get into Baghdad).
I myself think that the surge had some military success but poltically the progress has been quite limited. Obama is an honest man and I am sure he shares the same assessment, the myopic as always are the Reps. All of these gains are temporary, not sustainable, they will crumble the day we leave.
Iraqis and only Iraqis will have to decide their destiny and as long as we delay our stay we create more and more rancor of them to our country. We cannot baby sit the country, let them mature.. one thing is for sure limited Reps: the country (like a child) FOR SURE won't grow up to be what you expect, they will create for themselves a political model and you can not do anything about it. Definitely, it won't be a democracy at our image, if it is a democracy at all it will have a lot of caveats we won't like, for example, it will approach a theocracy.
We (again, not we, the Reps) created this mess. The odds are 10:1 that Iraq will finally turn to be a strong ally of Iran in the long term and that will be destabilizing for the middle East. In fact, I believe the Saudis hate us "in pectore" for what we have done because now they hold the enormous responsibility of defending the Sunni cause against two strong contenders to the northeast and chances are they will move to the left to please their neighbors.
We destroyed the Sunni's stabilizing political power and can't do anything about it now. The net gain of our political war adventure is profoundly negative. What used to be our leveraging power: to promise after war money and development, won't work with the proud Iraqi nation. They will get their resources elsewhere. There will be turmoil at least for the next 20 years until every group there feels "their rights are fully recognized" in the new Republic.
So people like McCain and you are the real myopics in this matter. Yes, the situation has improved; no, not forever it could deteriorate tomorrow. And NO, we won't shape the country.
As bad as Saddam was, we (the Reps!) have
Posted by Frank42 at 06/01/2008 @ 1:18pm
<i>Pontificus: The gist of the article, my friend, is how long Obama can keep up the increasingly untenable fiction that a) the surge did not work and that b) Iraq continues to make progress towards a stable democratic society. Sure, you anonymous posters here on The Nation can continue indefinitely to slurp the kool-aid that none of this is so, but Obama has to answers to millions of voters who are not so inclined. Thus, the conundrum. <i>
Fiction has been always the preferred Republican subject (they will receive us with applauses when we get into Baghdad).
I myself think that the surge had some military success but poltically the progress has been quite limited. Obama is an honest man and I am sure he shares the same assessment, the myopic as always are the Reps. All of these gains are temporary, not sustainable, they will crumble the day we leave.
Iraqis and only Iraqis will have to decide their destiny and as long as we delay our stay we create more and more rancor of them to our country. We cannot baby sit the country, let them mature.. one thing is for sure limited Reps: the country (like a child) FOR SURE won't grow up to be what you expect, they will create for themselves a political model and you can not do anything about it. Definitely, it won't be a democracy at our image, if it is a democracy at all it will have a lot of caveats we won't like, for example, it will approach a theocracy.
We (again, not we, the Reps) created this mess. The odds are 10:1 that Iraq will finally turn to be a strong ally of Iran in the long term and that will be destabilizing for the middle East. In fact, I believe the Saudis hate us "in pectore" for what we have done because now they hold the enormous responsibility of defending the Sunni cause against two strong contenders to the northeast and chances are they will move to the left to please their neighbors.
We destroyed the Sunni's stabilizing political power and can't do anything about it now. The net gain of our political war adventure is profoundly negative. What used to be our leveraging power: to promise after war money and development, won't work with the proud Iraqi nation. They will get their resources elsewhere. There will be turmoil at least for the next 20 years until every group there feels "their rights are fully recognized" in the new Republic.
So people like McCain and you are the real myopics in this matter. Yes, the situation has improved; no, not forever it could deteriorate tomorrow. And NO, we won't shape the country.
As bad as Saddam was, we (the Reps!) have
Posted by Frank42 at 06/01/2008 @ 1:18pm
I watched rummy draw air through his teeth and say things like, " we don't know what we don't know", and the press corps. look on in awe. We watched Collin Powel go in front of the united nations and point to a vile of chemical weapons and pictures of trailers that proved to be milk dehydration trailers and we watched Ms. Rice say things like mushroom clouds. The press covered the debate about French Fries and French Toast, when they were not worried about weather Hillary had taken the white house china. If democracy needs a free press we are lost. As a buddy of mine says, "We are in deep doo doo".
Posted by julien38 at 06/01/2008 @ 1:37pm
I also saw the Yellin Anderson exchange. Where the hell has Anderson been? I bet Yellin gets assigned to covering the polar bears in Alaska, but boy she is refreshing.
Posted by julien38 at 06/01/2008 @ 1:43pm
What's never mentioned and for obvious reasons is the fact that high profile newspaper reporters, politicians (of rank), lobbyists, TV pundits, and the well-placed very rich are all members of the same D.C. cocktail circuit.
Inside D.C. being a member gives you status, and in D.C. status is about the only thing anyone has to justify his existence. If you're not on the circuit - literally wired in - you're a nobody. This unsavory situation definitely affects the dissemination of and quality of and accuracy of media output.
Posted by felicity at 06/01/2008 @ 2:41pm
correction: whether Hillary had taken the White House china.
Posted by julien38 at 06/01/2008 @ 2:46pm
Posted by julien38 at 06/1/2008
Great post on Rummy's evil yellow teeth through which he prevaricates... OK I expanded some.
You nailed it. The media's sin is more of omission than commission.
I recall basically all of Europe having to be branded as liberal/socialist/unAmerican to uphold the lie that our media/govt was rational/moderate.
I've spent plenty of time in Europe. Anyone who has knows... just another from Cheney-Bush's ass to the corp media frying pan to your tv... There's a lot of cool folks and there are plenty of rigid old fashioned folks as well. It's absurd to pretend our country is split lib/cons and all of Europe is lib. But the media and the whole France/Germany portrayal made sure to hammer this bs relentlessly.
Neocons have such a distorted view of the proper role of federal government to begin with, and less of the 4th estate's importance.
Ponti, Happy - what would you do for drug-addicted babies, Downs kids, schizophrenics? Would you allow young dumb teens to ride motorcycles with no helmets? Once they have traumatic brain injuries, what would you do? What would you do for society's most f'd up babies/kids born to f'd up parents with no Halliburton stock?
Leave their care to multinational's altruism?
Let's say the parents are truly losers, would you leave their care to loser parents? That's how it works now in many a broken family. That's the story of many millions in America, for ex., 'one in nine Black men between the ages of 20-34 are incarcerated'.
Posted by winyahn at 06/01/2008 @ 2:46pm
Posted by pontificus at 06/1/2008
You REALLY think a guy who buys everything that Bush and Bill Kristol throw at him...
can lecture on Kool-ade drinking?!?!??
LOL
Posted by Mask at 06/01/2008 @ 5:27pm
Posted by Mask at 06/1/2008
Yeah MASK, whoever that guy is, he has no right to complain about you drinking the kool-aid.
Posted by pontificus at 06/01/2008 @ 6:52pm
I would be very interested in reading the contributions that our right-of-center posters make on the more simpatico sites that they visit.
Anyone care to link me up?
Posted by drhammer at 06/01/2008 @ 7:45pm
I know you're not but what am I?
Ponti: why not take a stab at my questions? If you care to resond, please see post ("what would you do for drug-addicted babies, Downs kids, schizophrenics?") above.
Posted by winyahn at 06/01/2008 @ 9:50pm
If the left is going to rely on people like this for their credibility they really have lost it.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/31/2008 |
that is how you got your little war.
Thank the "librool press" nicley.
Propaganda eaters with a side drink of ponti flavored Kool-aid.
BOO!
Watch out! Saddam will git ya with his drone planes loaded with 10,000 liters of anthrax piloted by one of his AQ connections his security service met in Prague.
Posted by crabwalk at 06/02/2008 @ 07:12am
Maybe Ponti, happy and luvvy could tell us how long it has been since THEY went to Iraq?
And wait a minute, if the "right" controls AM and cable, and has the best ratings, how is it that "librool media" is in control?
PONTIFLOGIC!
Posted by crabwalk at 06/02/2008 @ 07:18am
In the vein of the thread's title see: http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/02/nasa.global.warming.ap/index.html
more uncovering of white house shenanigans
Posted by leftofcenter at 06/02/2008 @ 9:37pm
more uncovering of white house shenanigans
Posted by leftofcenter at 06/2/2008
"catapult the propaganda"- George W. Bush
They make the Clinton WH look like pure driven snow of truthiness.
Let us not forget the Jeff Gannon episode. For those of you that don't remember, or have willingly forgot, this is the gay male prostitute that somehow got press credentials with no history of journalism who would ask softball questions of the "president" during the lead up to war.
Posted by crabwalk at 06/03/2008 @ 07:29am
jeff Gannon, gay prostie? 200 visits to the white house? whom was he visiting? someday soon this mystery too will see the light of day.
Posted by emile duBois at 06/03/2008 @ 07:57am
Egads .. Dubya & Gannon snortin coke and watching Brokeback Mountain. Eeech, I gotta go wash my brain.
Posted by leftofcenter at 06/03/2008 @ 10:27am
it's not a free press. the media are beholden to their corporate owners, just like Pravda was beholden to the communist party.
our underground media are the internet version of the samizdat. (look it up)
Posted by emile duBois at 06/03/2008 @ 1:37pm