Hoping, Praying for the Liberal Lion -- UPDATED

posted by John Nichols on 05/18/2008 @ 5:16pm

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Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and John McCain are agreed on one thing.

They are all worried about Ted Kennedy.

While cynicism is always appropriate when dealing with politicians, this concern is genuine.

Anyone who knows anything about the U.S. Senate knows why there is complete unity when it comes to hoping that Ted Kennedy will come through his current medical scare rested and ready to continue serving.

Since 1980, when he surrendered his presidential ambitions, Kennedy has devoted himself to the Senate. Even when Republicans ran the chamber, he was considered the essential player -- so much so that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney courted him. Despite all the pokes he took from right-wing interest groups and media, conservative Republicans have known the liberal lion as a man of the Senate who forges the compromises -- on judicial appointments, education and labor policy and just about everything else -- that end up having staying power.

So everyone in the Senate, Democrats and Republicans, liberals and conservatives, gasped when the word came that Kennedy had suffered a seizure Saturday morning -- perhaps two seizures, depending on the report -- and was hospitalized in Boston.

The 76-year-old Kennedy, who came to the Senate in 1962, has had his share of hospitalizations and treatments in recent years -- including surgery last October to address a partially blocked neck artery that doctors feared put him at risk of a stroke.

There's no word yet on the precise nature of Saturday's seizure. The 76-year-old senator's office released a written statement just after 2 p.m. EST, but it merely acknowledged that, "It appears that Senator Kennedy experienced a seizure this morning. He is undergoing a battery of tests at Massachusetts General Hospital to determine the cause of the seizure. Senator Kennedy is resting comfortably, and it is unlikely we will know anything more for the next 48 hours."

By Sunday, there were positive signals from doctors and the senator's friends -- who suggested that Kennedy was alert and engaged. But he remained in serious condition as more tests were done to determine what was wrong.

While the diagnosis was unclear, there was great clarity -- and consistency -- in the response from those who have worked most closely with the senior senator.

The news of Kennedy's illness brought a rare show of unity from the feuding camps of Democratic presidential candidates Obama and Clinton and Republican McCain.

Said Obama, whose campaign won Kennedy's endorsement and active support this year, "We are going to be rooting for him and I insist on being optimistic about how it's going to turn out."

Clinton, who was welcomed to the Senate in 2001 by Kennedy and regularly counseled by him, said she was praying for "a quick recovery."

McCain, who has actually worked most closely with Kennedy in the Senate (especially on immigration issues, but also on a host of other matters), released the most detailed and laudatory statement.

"I was very sorry to hear that Senator Kennedy has taken ill, and like millions of Americans, Cindy and I anxiously await word of his condition. Senator Kennedy's role in the U.S. Senate cannot be overstated," said the presumptive Republican nominee. "He is a legendary lawmaker, and I have the highest respect for him. When we have worked together, he has been a skillful, fair and generous partner. I consider it a great privilege to call him my friend. Cindy and I are praying for our friend, his wife, Vicki and the Kennedy family."

Comments (65)

Perhaps Ted will go into retirement, and stop trying to relieve Americans of their sovereignty? If Democratic House madam Nancy Pelosi and Sen.Ultra liberal Ted Kennedy and their thrall are trying to derail the enforcement illegal immigration bill, SAVE ACT (H.R.4088), this includes the border fence. It obviously must be of paramount excellence for THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER?

Perhaps Mr.Ted Kennedy will go into retirement, and stop trying to relieve Americans of their sovereignty? If Democratic House madam Nancy Pelosi and Sen.Ultra liberal Ted Kennedy and their thrall are trying to derail the enforcement illegal immigration bill, SAVE ACT (H.R.4088), this includes the border fence. It obviously must be of paramount excellence for THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER?

Just as a footnote:

WHAT BIASED NEWS REPORTING WILL NOT REVEAL!

Read how Arizona was suffering from the illegal immigration, is now gaining economic prosperity? Less traffic on the highways is one great example!

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/05/15 /striking-changes-in-arizona-as-illegal-immigrants -flee-the-state/

YOU DECIDE YOUR FUTURE.........?

Posted by Brittanicus at 05/17/2008 @ 5:06pm
Believe me guys...over on the other blogs (Slate's Fray "Ballot Box" for instance)....

the Right is MUCH more vicious and mean-spirited towards Kennedy. Hour One, Day One they started in with the insults.

So far...we have a much higher class of conservative here.

Hope it lasts and hope things work out for Senator Kennedy and his family.

Posted by Mask at 05/17/2008 @ 7:39pm
Your article regarding the allocation of delegates in Nevada is incorrect. Delegates were divided 12 to Senator Clinton, and 13 to Obama. This is NOT a majority to Obama, its 1 more than Senator Clinton. Also, as an alternate delegate, about 120 weren't seated as delegates, even though only 75% of approximately 4,000 delegates were seated and counted in Reno 5/17/08. The breakdown of 12 and 13 is close, although Clinton's supporters could've made a difference if seated. Florida and Michigan votes COUNT, seat all delegates.

Posted by rrussell at 05/17/2008 @ 10:55pm
Hope Senator Kennedy makes a speedy recovery my thoughts and prayers are with him and his family.

Carol

Posted by harriscrl3 at 05/17/2008 @ 10:58pm
Florida and Michigan votes COUNT, seat all delegates.

Posted by rrussell at 05/17/2008 | ignore this person

no, they don't. Hill has said so herself, way back when she still was the favorite.

if Hill was such a great candidate, it would be she who would be leading in delegates, the only measure of success in this primary election.

Posted by emile duBois at 05/17/2008 @ 11:28pm
Delegates were divided 12 to Senator Clinton, and 13 to Obama. This is NOT a majority to Obama,

oh no? majority, according to the dictionary mens the greater number. last time I checked 13 was the greater number than 12.

the Hill supporters are shrill and they are losing it big time. they'll get over it.

Posted by emile duBois at 05/17/2008 @ 11:33pm
Florida and Michigan votes COUNT, seat all delegates.

Posted by rrussell at 05/17/200

Yes they do count. As a litmus. They don't get their delegates seated because they violated DNC rules. It's a part of life. If you break a law you get punished. If you break a rule at school you get punished. If you break a rule at work you get punished. Michigan and Florida broke a rule they are being punished. Stop your shrill crying.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/18/2008 @ 12:33am
Get plenty of rest Senator Kennedy, we all need your leadership.

Posted by lefthookjab at 05/18/2008 @ 02:05am
Oops! Surfed without logging in!

Why are the right-wingers so rude and aggressive? Insults but no substantive suggestions abound. Bad manners and arrogance.

Can it be that these people don't realize that this behavior is counter-productive for their cause? Who would listen to someone who introduced himself as "YouSuck"? Just how arrogant are they?

Let's hope that Senator Kennedy's health improves.

Let's also hope that the trolls don't realize how foolish their yob behavior is.

Posted by mikecope at 05/18/2008 @ 03:09am
As a fellow human being, we all wish Teddy a full and speedy recovery. Having said that, I believe the man is an object lesson in how gluttony takes its toll on the human body and how such is to be avoided for the sake of oneself and ones loved ones.

Posted by pontificus at 05/18/2008 @ 12:25pm
yeah ponty...he's only like...76 yrs old...

one would never expect health problems in a 76 yr old man unless he had been a glutton in his youth...

Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/18/2008 @ 1:17pm
I believe the man is an object lesson in how gluttony takes its toll on the human body...

Posted by pontificus

you're being rather flip with your karma, ponti.

good luck.

hatred takes just a heavy toll.

Posted by frosty zoom at 05/18/2008 @ 1:21pm
Posted by pontificus at 05/18/2008

So which of the Seven Deadly...

gave Cheney his bad ticker?

Posted by Mask at 05/18/2008 @ 1:29pm
which of our seven deadly......

gave us cheney?!?!?

Sunday, May 18, 2008 1:42:06 PM

Posted by frosty zoom at 05/18/2008 @ 1:35pm
which of our seven deadly......

gave us cheney?!?!?

Sunday, May 18, 2008 1:42:06 PM

Posted by frosty zoom at 05/18/2008

sloth...

Posted by ibbleblibble at 05/18/2008 @ 2:19pm
Posted by pontificus at 05/18/2008

I have my doubts as to the sincerity of statements of sympathy from people like you. But as a man of great heart I"m sure Senator Ted thanks you.

Posted by Sorelish at 05/18/2008 @ 2:20pm
So which of the Seven Deadly...

gave Cheney his bad ticker?

Posted by Mask at 05/18/2008 | ignore this person

Hmmm...which one covers...

...SHOOTING A GUY IN THE FACE...

...then making HIM appologize?

(I'm thinking 'pride'.)

Posted by Lillian at 05/18/2008 @ 3:54pm
Ponti-If you check election results you'll discover that America did not shun Gore nor Kerry.

Posted by i'm nobody at 05/18/2008 @ 4:05pm
It's funny how people who complain of a lack of compassion(i.e. past indiscretions, differing opinions about life) rarely show any themselves. Hilarious, actually.

Posted by k330k at 05/18/2008 @ 5:54pm
Posted by i'm nobody at 05/18/2008

"Ponti-If you check election results you'll discover that America did not shun Gore nor Kerry."

Yes, I understand that that is one of the operative delusions here at The Nation.

Posted by pontificus at 05/18/2008 @ 7:20pm
It's a shame that The Nation never offered as much compassion or concern for justice in the case for Mary Jo Kopechne as they do for Senator Kennedy. In fact, I don't think most liberals have ever evinced any concern at all for her. Kind of like FROSTY ZOOM's unconcern for slavery in Cuba, but outrage for slavery that ended 140 years ago in the US. Kind of like what constitutes 'news' at the NYT, what is deserving of moral outrage here at The Nation depends on how the case fits the agenda.

Posted by pontificus at 05/18/2008 @ 7:23pm
Anybody notice how in Burma, the media consistently refer to the Burmese junta as 'military' when it is, in fact, avowedly socialist. And, of course, it is is the socialist government in Burma that is playing politics with relief aid, resulting in the needless deaths of tens, if not hundreds of thousands of their citizens. Just another case of how the liberal media provides disinformation to the vast majority of people in this country, who aren't really paying attention.

Posted by pontificus at 05/18/2008 @ 7:27pm
Posted by marybretbrad at 05/18/2008

Well, Gore lost the election. To me that counts as a shunning, when you consider all the advantages he had.

As far as Ted Kennedy and Mary Jo Kopechne are concerned, I think it's far more significant than one regrettable mistake, as you put it. It's a microcosm of elitist, morally hypocritical limousine liberalism that while Ted Kennedy was never prosecuted for manslaughter in that case, he continues to pass moral judgment on others as if his moralistic pronouncements come from the mouth of God himself when anyone opposes his statist solutions to societal problems.

Ted Kennedy never expressed any public regret or remorse for his actions that night, much less than own up to the legal responsibility. Anyone else would have had far more legal consequences than he had.

Posted by pontificus at 05/18/2008 @ 8:43pm
I noticed that the cable news channels (FOX, CNN) were talking about this Saturday when the news came out but not MSNBC. They had that liberal lion Tim Russert on talking about the golden Kennedy years in a pre-recorded show. It was like the old cold war years where a Communist leader would die and the west would know about it but the state run media wouldn't mention this until well afterwards.

Posted by woodyee at 05/18/2008 @ 9:21pm
Posted by pontificus at 05/18/2008

How about Cheney shooting his friend in the face? I'm pretty sure you can be arrested for that.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/18/2008 @ 9:39pm
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/18/2008

Sigh. More convenient parallels. Funny how it always comes to that. A liberal is guilty of something? The formula says: simply accuse your opponent of the same thing, no matter how flimsy the parallel! Cookbook!

"How about Cheney shooting his friend in the face? I'm pretty sure you can be arrested for that."

Then you would be pretty wrong. Cheney's shooting of his friend, or whatever it was, was an accident. Ted Kennedy, many people believe, was drunk when he drove his car and his extra-marital date into the water. This is because it took him over 15 hours to report the accident, long enough for him to sober up and consult his lawyer and political advisors. By the way, it is strongly possible that Mary Jo Kopechne survived for some time underwater in an air bubble in the car, and that she may have survived had the accident been reported promptly.

"Kind of like Cheney made his friend apologize for being shot in the face."

I believe that Cheney did apologize for shooting his friend.

Posted by pontificus at 05/18/2008 @ 10:54pm
Posted by pontificus at 05/18/2008 | ignore this person

Did Cheney apologize for the 4,000 US troops, and the 1.2 million Iraqi civilians murdered as a direct result of his and Bush's illegal war and occupation. Did he apologize for the thousands more US troops and Iraqi civilians with devastating injuries? By the way, Cheney may also have been drunk when he shot his "friend" in the face, and it was quite a while before law enforcement was allowed involvement in that incident. There are times when parallels are more than appropriate.

Posted by jmusolino at 05/18/2008 @ 11:20pm
By the way, Cheney may also have been drunk when he shot his "friend" in the face

••••••••••••••••

so?

Posted by frosty zoom at 05/18/2008 @ 11:23pm
Posted by jmusolino at 05/18/2008

"Did Cheney apologize for the 4,000 US troops, and the 1.2 million Iraqi civilians murdered as a direct result of his and Bush's illegal war and occupation."

What do you mean, 'illegal'? In which fantasy world? Tell me, was it 'illegal' to destroy the WTC? If so, where are the police? You lefties are so insulated from reality, you don't know how idiotic you sound?

"Did he apologize for the thousands more US troops and Iraqi civilians with devastating injuries?"

So, in your fantasy world, all of the death and destruction caused by terrorists is OUR fault? And you complain when we say you are the 'blame America first' crowd? You folks are so ideologically blindered it's a wonder you can bathe and dress yourselves.

"By the way, Cheney may also have been drunk when he shot his "friend" in the face, and it was quite a while before law enforcement was allowed involvement in that incident."

And you 'may' have been completely uninformed. Which is more likely?

Posted by pontificus at 05/19/2008 @ 12:09am
<i>It's a shame that The Nation never offered as much compassion or concern for justice in the case for Mary Jo Kopechne as they do for Senator Kennedy. ... Posted by pontificus at 05/18/2008 |</i>

Like you would give a damn about Miss Kopechne if someone else had caused her death.

Posted by zhongman at 05/19/2008 @ 02:30am
Posted by pontificus at 05/19/2008

Some call it "blame America first" but others might think of it as recognizing our responsibility in the out come of world affairs. It's awfully naive to think that some people would never try to manipulate our government to serve their own purpose. You write like you have a little switch on the back of your head that is either on or off. The real world exists in the middle, between your "black and white" thinking. The way Cheney plays with his constitutional role shows his disdain for that very document, like it's just a game to him. Innocent peoples lives matter whether here or Iraq.

Posted by zhongman at 05/19/2008 @ 02:53am
Posted by pontificus at 05/19/2008

Some call it "blame America first" but others might think of it as recognizing our responsibility in the out come of world affairs. It's awfully naive to think that some people would never try to manipulate our government to serve their own purpose. You write like you have a little switch on the back of your head that is either on or off. The real world exists in the middle, between your "black and white" thinking. The way Cheney plays with his constitutional role shows his disdain for that very document, like it's just a game to him. Innocent peoples lives matter whether here or Iraq.

Posted by zhongman at 05/19/2008 @ 02:54am
sorry for the double post, I blame the server.

Posted by zhongman at 05/19/2008 @ 02:55am
Posted by zhongman at 05/19/2008

One can recognize our responsibility for the outcome of world affairs without the pathological reflex of blaming this country for everything bad that happens in the world, e.g., blaming ourselves for the terrorist destruction of the WTC, etc. The problem with the left's definition of 'recognizing responsibility' all too often takes the form of blaming the US for existing.

Posted by pontificus at 05/19/2008 @ 06:02am
Ponti-You may want to find out what the word" shun" means and then check election results for Gore and Kerry.America did not shun either as you will discover once you find out what "shun" means.

Posted by i'm nobody at 05/19/2008 @ 09:54am
Like the Iran/Iraq War, it's one where you can actually root for both sides.

Posted by pontificus at 05/18/2008

This just about sums up the moral bankruptcy of our dear friend PONTI.

People are being killed, and a country torn apart, yet PONTI treats it like Game 7 from the comforts of his own Barco Lounger. And, worse is "rooting" the slaughter on.

Posted by Hman23 at 05/19/2008 @ 10:36am
Delegates were divided 12 to Senator Clinton, and 13 to Obama. This is NOT a majority to Obama, its 1 more than Senator Clinton.

Posted by rrussell at 05/17/2008

ma·jor·i·ty (m-jôr-t, -jr-)

1. The greater number or part; a number more than half of the total.

Posted by Hman23 at 05/19/2008 @ 10:38am
pontificus

no one attacked iceland on 9/11......

Posted by frosty zoom at 05/19/2008 @ 11:04am
Posted by pontificus at 05/19/2008 | ignore this person

It's illegal in the world of objective reality. There was no self-defense involved. Are you claiming that Iraq had something to do with the attacks on 9/11? Care to offer proof of that? Talk about living in a fantasy world. The 1.2 million deaths in Iraq are the fault of your administration, Ponti, and its syncophants. They attacked a country which did nothing to us, so they could control their oil supplies, and now you're paying $4.00 a gallon for that. Ponti, if you think this occupation is such a grand idea, why the hell are you here? Why have you not enlisted, volunteered to go fight for your beliefs? Why will you not fight your leaders' wars? Is it lack of courage? Lack of basic decency? Both? And by the way, Cheney and his pals were drinking before they went out shooting, and with the meds he's on, he may well have been drunk. As for "uninformed", you, like so many others on your end of the political spectrum, continue to project your own problems onto those of us who live in the reality-based community.

Posted by jmusolino at 05/19/2008 @ 11:12am
Posted by HAPPY3 at 05/19/2008

Who's "selling out the country", HAPP?

The guys wasting our money and military, perhaps?

Posted by Mask at 05/19/2008 @ 11:57am
Posted by pontificus at 05/19/2008

Funny you are saying he was misinformed because he is making assumptions about Cheney's sobriety but the only prove you have of Kennedy's lack o sobriety is that that he didn't call the police right away. Hmm that's flimsy at best probably why it wouldn't hold up in court. Yes leaving the scene of an accident IS a legal offense. But his drunkness wouldn't be because they wouldn't be able to do blood tests. I don't know about you but it doesn't take me 15 hours to sober up.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/19/2008 @ 12:10pm
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton pledged to stay in the Democratic race through the final primaries on June 3.

"I'm not going anywhere," she said on CNN's "Late Edition,"

mmh.

Posted by emile duBois at 05/19/2008 @ 12:33pm
<i>It's a shame that The Nation never offered as much compassion or concern for justice in the case for Mary Jo Kopechne as they do for Senator Kennedy. ... Posted by pontificus at 05/18/2008 |</i>

Like you would give a damn about Miss Kopechne if someone else had caused her death.

Posted by zhongman at 05/19/2008 | ignore this person

Ha! You hit the nail on the head, zhongman. False sympathies, indeed!

Posted by k330k at 05/19/2008 @ 12:35pm
I have no sorrow for this "Lion" and his health problems, he should be dying jail for murdering MJK.

Posted by westleyanson at 05/18/2008 | ignore this person

careful puffing yourself up with too much false righteousness. you might plotz.

Posted by emile duBois at 05/19/2008 @ 12:35pm
Okay, I'm lost. When did Kennedy kill "MJK"? Who is "MJK"?

Posted by k330k at 05/19/2008 @ 12:45pm
Do you seriously believe we do NOT have any strategic interests in Iraq or its immediate neighborhood beyond just removing the possibility of WMDs in Saddam's hands or labs?---Posted by HAPPY3 at 05/19/2008

What WMDs?

And when are you going to call for an invasion of IRAN then?

"Oh, we don't need to do that!"....why? Don't you think we have "any strategic interests" in that neighborhood?

Wussy!

Posted by Mask at 05/19/2008 @ 1:17pm
Posted by emile duBois at 05/19/2008

Ohhh. Thanks. I thought he was rambling and meant MLK. My bad. Hey, maybe ponti knows the Kopechne family or knew "MJK" personally or something. That might explain the vitriol.

Posted by k330k at 05/19/2008 @ 1:48pm
Posted by k330k at 05/19/2008 |

Think he has the same concern for Michael Dutton Douglas?

(Google MDD and Laura Bush)

Posted by Mask at 05/19/2008 @ 2:43pm
Posted by HAPPY3 at 05/19/2008

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....so we're "stretched" and therefore we can't go into Iran, which you WOULD normally support if we had the troops?

or is that part of your caveat about "not having to be everywhere"?

Posted by Mask at 05/19/2008 @ 4:55pm
Hey another full week without wall-to-wall Reverend Wight, no lovechild, no DUI's. Plus a little lobbying scandal over in the beerionaire <--you heard it here first! camp.

Looks like the West Virginia effect will assure defeat in Kentucky, but here's hoping for more folks with high school and college diplomas in Oregon.

All in all not bad!

Posted by winyahn at 05/19/2008 @ 7:02pm
" Think anybody outside of Hezbo & Hamas will cry us a river if Iran is taken down in size by Israel?"

Posted by HAPPY3 at 05/19/2008

Nope. Those under financed groups will file that away as the reason for their next attack, aimed at the west, which the historically unaware west, will not comprehend. Then we will blame their religion and skin color and lob bombs at them, while chanting," Why do they hate us? Must be our freedom". Then the powers that be, will proceed to cut down our liberties at home, in the name of preserving them.

It's the Neoamerikan way.

Eric

Posted by Malcontent at 05/19/2008 @ 7:51pm
The Israelis and the US both have leaders that are not all that popular right now....----Posted by HAPPY3 at 05/19/2008

So when it comes to our "strategic interests"....

it's based on ..."popularity"?!?!?!??!!?!???!?!?

Posted by Mask at 05/19/2008 @ 9:59pm
Think anybody outside of Hezbo & Hamas will cry us a river if Iran is taken down in size by Israel?

Posted by HAPPY3

nonsense.

israel wouldn't try such a thing.

especially after their losses in 2006......

Posted by frosty zoom at 05/19/2008 @ 10:21pm
no chance Ahma-dine-in-your-jeans will give Obama an inauguration gift by coming `clean'!

Peace through strength....and talking tough and believable! Ask yourself, is there anyone in the whole world who thinks Obama is tough? We know Mack & Hillary are tough....but Obama, puleeeeeeze!

Posted by HAPPY3

more nonsense.

iran's president yields no power.

Posted by frosty zoom at 05/19/2008 @ 10:24pm
Even today, you Libs are ready to start a global war over global warming.....ok, it's not withsuicide bombers, missiles or tanks, but a war of massive scale that will inflict enormous dislocation, conflicts and pain. Just as you feel there is a better `way', there are plenty of warriors who believe, they have a better `way' to deal w/their enemies.

Posted by HAPPY3

extramore nonsense.

happy put down that keyboard.

you shouldn't blog while under the influence of paint thinner.

Posted by frosty zoom at 05/19/2008 @ 10:26pm
no chance Ahma-dine-in-your-jeans will give Obama an inauguration gift by coming `clean'!

Peace through strength....and talking tough and believable! Ask yourself, is there anyone in the whole world who thinks Obama is tough? We know Mack & Hillary are tough....but Obama, puleeeeeeze!

Posted by HAPPY3

more nonsense.

iran's president yields no power.

Posted by frosty zoom at 05/19/2008

Frosty, thank you for making apparent that the average American just doesn't get it when it comes to who's in charge in Iran. AYATOLLAH wasn't Khomeini's first name...just as'President' wasn't his title. The Theocracy is the supreme power in Iran as it has been since Khomeini's day...and still is.

Posted by lefthookjab at 05/19/2008 @ 11:43pm
The Theocracy is the supreme power in Iran as it has been since Khomeini's day...and still is.

Posted by lefthookjab at 05/19/2008

Can anyone say, "redundant sentence"? Sorry for oops moment.

Posted by lefthookjab at 05/19/2008 @ 11:51pm
Throughout human history, from the least to the most civilized `tribes', there have always been people who loved to fight...it is what makes us human, as imperfect as it is to Libs of every stripe in every millenium!

Even today, you Libs are ready to start a global war over global warming.....ok, it's not withsuicide bombers, missiles or tanks, but a war of massive scale that will inflict enormous dislocation, conflicts and pain. Just as you feel there is a better `way', there are plenty of warriors who believe, they have a better `way' to deal w/their enemies.

Posted by HAPPY3 at 05/19/2008 | ignore this person

You know, Happy, you're always mouthing this warmongering crap, and always from your keyboard, rather than on a front somewhere, holding a rifle. You're pretty cavalier with the lives of others, while safely ensconced here, making damned sure that nothing happens to you. If you're such a big fan if war (and your posts indicate that you are) why do you remain a civilian, allowing others to do your job? Until you put your own ass on the line, you've got nothing but mindless bloviating.

Posted by jmusolino at 05/19/2008 @ 11:54pm
We know Mack & Hillary are tough....but Obama, puleeeeeeze!

Posted by HAPPY3 at 05/19/2008 | ignore this person

I don't know, Happ, your GOP minions are already whining about Barack's response to McCain earlier accusations, when he indicated that McCain had "lost his bearings". Your boys moaned that he was being ageist (they must have confused bearings with marbles, but they're Republicans and they confuse easily). Barack certainly looks a lot tougher than Flip-Flop Johnny, and he even looks tougher than Hillary!

Posted by jmusolino at 05/19/2008 @ 11:59pm
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Tires January 1942 to December 1945

Cars February 1942 to October 1945

Bicycles July 1942 to September 1945

Gasoline May 1942 to August 1945

Fuel Oil & Kerosene October 1942 to August 1945

Solid Fuels

Stoves

Rubber Footwear

Shoes

Sugar

Coffee

Processed Foods

Meats, canned fish

Cheese, canned milk, fats

Typewriters

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 12:19:59 AM

Posted by frosty zoom at 05/20/2008 @ 12:13am
I find that it is too easy for people to advocate war when it isn't them who have to go die. It's funny so many people will constantly push for war with everyone but when you ask them if they will go fight it they will look at you like you are crazy. I was taught that you never stand for anything you are not willing to fight for. However I guess you can stand for something as long as other people are the ones to do the fighting.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/20/2008 @ 12:55am
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/20/2008

"I find that it is too easy for people to advocate war when it isn't them who have to go die."

So, by your logic, and I use the term loosely, only those who oppose the war and those who actually fight it have the right to an opinion about it. Moreover, if we extend your reasoning to the past, then pretty much no war in history would have been fought, including the Civil War (people would still be slaves), WWII (Hitler would still be in control of Europe), etc. Pretty funny.

Posted by pontificus at 05/20/2008 @ 3:43pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/20/2008

I'm not saying everyone for instance you I was not talking about. But a lot of people won't fight.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/20/2008 @ 4:28pm
Posted by pontificus at 05/20/2008

Actually many people in WWII enlisted to fight and weren't just drafted. I know quite a few stories of people who wanted so badly to fight for their country because they believed in the war that they circumvented enlistment rules in order to join. So yes it would have still been fought. Most people were geared up and ready to go against the Nazi's because of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. WWI the sinking of the Lusitania. It's amazing how many people are willing to fight when we have been attacked. Tons were geared up and ready to go for Afghanistan. I just don't think you should be so vehement about something you wouldn't do yourself. You shouldn't be so quick to throw the sons and daughters of other people to die if you wouldn't do it yourself. You have your right to freedom of speech and you can support whatever belief you want. I just find it funny that people are so fervent to support the war but would never ever fight it themselves. I just was always taught when you take a stand you have to be willing to fight for it. That's how I was taught and I know not everyone thinks that way. However that's how I do.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/20/2008 @ 4:36pm
That's too broad of a generalization.

Posted by lvliberty1 at 05/20/2008

It's the same thing you guys do when you make your statement about liberals. I can quote you making broad generalizations on a constant basis.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 05/20/2008 @ 4:37pm