The "Draft Gore" Moment

posted by John Nichols on 10/10/2007 @ 10:06am

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Al Gore may well win a Nobel Peace Prize this week, which is no small accomplishment. But the more relentless of the former vice president's political proponents are saying, "Why stop with an trophy when can have it all?"

After all, the "Draft Gore" movement suggests, it is not that great a leap from the awards stage in Stockholm to the presidential campaign trail in Iowa and New Hampshire.

The peace prize winner -- or winners, if deserving Canadian Inuit environmentalist Sheila Watt-Cloutier shares the honor with Gore -- will be announced on Friday.

Then there will be headlines, broadcast reports, interviews with Gore about his Global Marshall Plan to address climate change, and the inevitable flurry of speculation about whether it wouldn't make more sense for Democrats to nominate an internationally acclaimed thinker and activist than a cautious-and-calculating former First Lady or a cautious-but-somewhat-more-inspiring junior senator from Illinois.

Conveniently, the speculation would probably reach a crescendo around the time of the November 2 deadline for entering the New Hampshire primary competition. Imagine the drama of days prior to that deadline, as America awaits the decision of a former congressman, senator, vice president and Democratic presidential nominee to enter the race for an office that -- had only the American political process been structured to accept the popular will of the people rather than the determination of an archaic and undemocratic Electoral College and its Supreme Court manipulators -- he should have held for the past eight years.

"We feel that if he wins the Nobel Prize... then he can't not run for president," chirps Roy Gayhart, a California "Draft Gore" organizer.

Perhaps. But, just in case the reluctant runner needs a push, his line coaches are yelling at the top of their lungs, "Run Al Run."

The crusading campaigners of a "Draft Gore" movement that is decidedly better organized and focused than at least a few of the declared Democratic presidential campaigns operate a sharp website at Draft Gore.com have active organizations in a number of states and are now capitalizing with some skill on the Nobel moment.

On Wednesday in the front section of the New York Times--the town square of American political discourse--is a full-page advertisement featuring a particularly trim and youthful image of the former vice president presented as "An Open Letter to Al Gore."

"You say you have fallen out of love with politics, and you have every reason to feel that way," the letter from the Draft Gore campaigners suggests. "But we know you have not fallen out of love with your country. And your country needs you now--as do your party and the planet you are fighting to save."

Suggesting that Gore must be president if he wants to tackle global warming, the letter prods him, "Only from the Oval Office can you wield the kind of influence needed to move countries, policies and corporations to bring about meaningful change."

The Draft Gore movement, which is seeking petition signatures urging their man to run, is hitting the former vice president where it counts. It is certainly true that the presidency would afford Gore an unrivaled opportunity to realize what for him are moral imperatives. And it is also true that the presidency is within his grasp.

The New York Times advertisement follows radio advertising in Iowa and Florida, as well as an ambitious "op-ed" campaign by Gore proponents such as Ben Barber. Already, Gore backers in Michigan are busy gathering the 12,396 signatures that must be obtained by October 23 to qualify their man for a place on the primary ballot in a state where an August poll by the Detroit News had Gore accomplishing what Barack Obama, John Edwards, Bill Clinton and the other Democratic contenders have not been able to do: leading Hillary Clinton.

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(Cue the "He says he invented the internet."/"He lives in a huge house and flies around in a G5." claptrap.)

He's about to win a Nobel Prize.

If he runs, he wins.

We can only hope.

Posted by drhammer at 10/10/2007 @ 10:28am
Oh, Lord....talk about HSUBFOOLS bait, Mr Nichols! (more so than your now fading impeachment articles)

Old HF will go absolutely orgasmic at this...despite the ignorance of reality (or actually because of it!).

But glad to see this.... "Conveniently, the speculation would probably reach a crescendo around the time of the November 2 deadline for entering the New Hampshire primary competition."

Good news, it means that by November 2 (23 days from now), we will finally see the end of HSUB's 2nd fantasy once and for all!

Posted by Mask at 10/10/2007 @ 10:33am
Posted by DRHAMMER 10/10/2007 @ 10:28am

BTW, Doc, the only thing I'd note would be Gore's use of "carbon credits"....i.e. investing in his OWN company (Generation Investment Management) and claiming he's "buying off his carbon footprint". A trick not readily available to the rest of us (or even useful) under Gore's plans for tackling global warming!

Posted by Mask at 10/10/2007 @ 10:37am
NICHOLS: ....a cautious-and-calculating former First Lady...

Look out Hillary! Another HARD Smack Down by The Nation! MASK will be doubly pleased and FRANKG will be writhing in pain!

Posted by Happy at 10/10/2007 @ 10:40am
Where do I SIGN UP to draft Al to run??? Is there a web link for Texas?? I want HUSB to be proud of me!! :))))

Posted by Happy at 10/10/2007 @ 10:41am
Look out Hillary! Another HARD Smack Down by The Nation! HAPPY stay doubly ignorant of it....

heheh

Posted by Mask at 10/10/2007 @ 10:48am
FIRST JOHN, AGAIN HE LOST!! GET OVER IT!

All thinking Americans should and must do all they can to prevent this man, This commisar-like manipulator from EVER attaining the White House. He is an elitist buffoon who would use this Global Warming crisis to tax and penalize us and business to death. By his own admission this problem will be with us for decades, which means he could punish us for our "sins"... well... forever. Instead of doing something practical, like building dykes, he will hit us with ludicrous "carbon taxes". He will penalize people who drive SUV's and not Honda's, instead of encouraging manufacturers to make the SUV run LIKE the Honda. He will use the nonsense that this is all our fault and chastise us, claiming "The whole worlds' screwed up and its all our fault". What a manipulators wet dream. Screw HIM. Screw Al Gore and all the wallowing and self guilt he stands for.

(on a less passionate note, when the son-of-a-bitch starts driving a Honda and living in a rancher like I do, then he can talk to me)

Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 10/10/2007 @ 11:28am
Posted by CHIP THORNTON 10/10/2007 @ 11:28am

Do I smell a brain fart?

So someone with intgerity and character upsets you terribly, eh?

You are welcome to get the fuck out anytime you don't like it here, sonny.

"living in a rancher like I do" - and how does that "rancher" feel about having a parasite like you infest his body?

Posted by Dr Decibels at 10/10/2007 @ 11:40am
Al Gore is the Eeyore of our times. You guys who had kids? Remember Eeyore, that fat blue-ass donkey from the Winnie the Pooh series? Thats Gore:

Ohhhhhhhh de-rrrrrrrrrrr! Anuuthurrrrrrrrrr dayyyyyyyyy. And its allllllllll rrrrrrrrrr fauuuuuuuuuult.

Damn Gore and his wallowing. May he NEVER be President. Piss on him and all he stands for for 10,000 Generations!

Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 10/10/2007 @ 11:41am
NICHOLS: ....a cautious-and-calculating former First Lady...

Look out Hillary! Another HARD Smack Down by The Nation! MASK will be doubly pleased and FRANKG will be writhing in pain!

Posted by HAPPY 10/10/2007 @ 10:40am

He wasn't talking about Barbara Bush????

Posted by skeletonman at 10/10/2007 @ 11:43am
Hark, is that a Liberal I hear saying America Love it or Leave it? Well, "Sonny" may you leave first, and may my voice be the last thing you hear.

And take your "man of integrity" with you

Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 10/10/2007 @ 11:44am
"He will penalize people who drive SUV's and not Honda's, instead of encouraging manufacturers to make the SUV run LIKE the Honda."

Posted by CHIP THORNTON 10/10/2007 @ 11:28am

More accurately, he will make it more expensive for those who wish to drive SUV's to purchase same. Consequently, SUV sales will suffer.

That should be all the incentive that the auto manufacturers need to build us the vehicles that they are completely capable of producing.

Years ago, during the last brouhaha over CAFE standards, all the domestic manufacturers, (as well as Toyota, if I remember correctly), cried like little bitches over increased costs, lost sales, and ultra-light deathtraps.

The crew at Honda said, "Tell us what you want, and we'll build it."

Ironically, that is the American spirit I grew up with.

Posted by drhammer at 10/10/2007 @ 11:53am
Oh please, please, spare us from the Clintons!

Please! Please!

The Clinton show is over but they won't leave the stage. The Clintons and their losing DLC policies erode the party's potential and rob it of future meaning, relevance and strength. The Clintons are the ballast that has to be thrown out, just for cause to hope again.

Oh, please, please!

Posted by Lil at 10/10/2007 @ 12:07pm
Posted by DR DECIBELS 10/10/2007 @ 11:40am

Doc, a question. Do men of "character and integrity" change their "deep personal convictions" for political convenience or ambition?

Posted by Mask at 10/10/2007 @ 12:09pm
Posted by LIL 10/10/2007 @ 12:07pm

Maybe once you've gotten all the blogs censored of opposing views, LIL....that'll happen!

Posted by Mask at 10/10/2007 @ 12:10pm
anything that would cut into 50 foot queenie's support is fine with me. run al run!

Posted by ibbleblibble at 10/10/2007 @ 12:11pm
You think Clinton has alot of blog support, Mask? Lol, they would abandon her in a heartbeat. That is what makes the wingnut trolls here so hysterical--they are salivating in anticipation of sticking it to Hillary--even if she is the Corporate reigning Queen, they drool over the kill. Gore has populist appeal--and with a pathetic Right selection of would-be candidates, they don't stand a chance against that kind of momentum--so their nasty little fangs come out at the thought.

Posted by Lil at 10/10/2007 @ 12:19pm
Posted by CHIP THORNTON 10/10/2007 @ 11:44am\

Not gonna happen punk.

Hark, is that a Liberal I hear saying America Love it or Leave it? Well, "Sonny" may you leave first, and may my voice be the last thing you hear. --- Cunt Thorton

Come and try me, boy. My laughing voice WOULD be the last thing you would hear.

Posted by Dr Decibels at 10/10/2007 @ 12:20pm
MASK

Call it moral relativism if you like, but after seeing what this administration is all about, I'm ready to live with a little bit of "carbon credit" hypocrisy if it means we might be able to remediate our environment and resuscitate our Constitution.

Like most of us, I would prefer a totally pure candidate, but www.draftjesus.org doesn't seem to exist.

Posted by drhammer at 10/10/2007 @ 12:23pm
Posted by DRHAMMER 10/10/2007 @ 12:23pm

Well, actually, Doc, my point was....Gore's a little bit more hypocritical on things that just "carbon credits".

For example, BEFORE he had national ambitions, and was just a STATE representative (Congressman and Senator), he had THIS "deep personal conviction"...

" "It is my deep personal conviction that abortion is wrong. I hope that some day we will see the current outrageously large number of abortions drop sharply. . . . Let me assure you that I share your belief that innocent human life must be protected . . ." (Letter from Rep. Al Gore to a Constituent, 7/18/84)

So my question is...if "abortion is wrong" was a "deep personal conviction"....what else will Gore drop to win, when it's needed?

Or like "carbon credits", what other phoneyness will he foster to promote himself?

Posted by Mask at 10/10/2007 @ 12:44pm
I'm heavily committed to Obama's campaign at this point, but Al Gore seems to me an excellent example of how some of us really do mature and grow over the years. Scream all you want, but Al's statue has grown tremendously in the last 6-1/2 years, and I don't mean just his waistline.

Al Gore could significantly elevate the quality of the debate, at the very least, and if he were the nominee, the Al Gore of 2007 is a far more effective communicator than the Al Gore of 2000. Everyone was impressed by An Inconvenient Truth, and to me, The Assault On Reason was equally important in its own right. Al has an important message, and he can get it across with impact. He's shown that. I'd love to see him get into this thing.

Another factor, of course, is global warming itself. It's obvious to me that we're a long way from appreciating how serious this problem is. Within the next two U.S. Presidential terms, I greatly fear that all remaining doubts will be swept aside. It may be that Al's credentials and his voice represent our best chance of minimizing the worst retributions for our thoughtless behavior.

Eeyore indeed! Look around, and tell me there's nothing to worry about.

Posted by Donald Weed at 10/10/2007 @ 12:49pm
Ummm.. "Al's stature", not "Al's statue". Damn keyboard!

Posted by Donald Weed at 10/10/2007 @ 12:50pm
So what? Kucinich was anti-choice too. You can find something on most anyone. The point isn't where they were--it is where they are now.

Posted by Lil at 10/10/2007 @ 12:51pm
DR, old boy, you are probably the crudest dude I've ever talked to.

If you feel that strongly about it, though, then whenever your ready, give me a call. I'm in the Book. Boy

Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 10/10/2007 @ 1:19pm
A great article, thank you. Yes, we need Mr. Gore's Statesmanship, intellect and vision to stear us in forward path to solve the many crisis we have-from overreaching powers, trampling of our Constitution, our rights, speech, peace, humanity and our Global Environment.

Time for a COOL change, Gore 2008

Posted by LDP at 10/10/2007 @ 1:20pm
Donal, I don't think Mr. Gore is much different besides feeling freer to express himself more.

I think not relying on Corporate Media distorted clips as ones only view, helps.

His coverage was so minimal, and what they showed was so distorted, showing a tiny clip as the focus, instead of maybe a closing piece. You know, how they wanted to focus and replay a sigh.......a sigh? Oh yeah, that's news worthy.

I'm happy peoples eyes have been open. Lets see what is done with that.

Democracy is not something you receive, it's something you do.

Superman wears Al Gore pajamas.

Posted by LDP at 10/10/2007 @ 1:23pm
MASK

Lil has basically summed up my response:

"So what? Kucinich was anti-choice too. You can find something on most anyone. The point isn't where they were--it is where they are now."

Posted by LIL 10/10/2007 @ 12:51pm

What is it other than your well-publicized cynicism that leads you to believe that this is an example of something that Gore dropped to win as needed, as opposed to growing personally and changing his stance?

Posted by drhammer at 10/10/2007 @ 1:25pm
"...as opposed to growing personally and changing his stance?"

Oops...

...(I just realized I fed everyone a straight line...)

Posted by drhammer at 10/10/2007 @ 1:27pm
Chip,

Not to worry, Chip,

Won't happen and he can't win..the reason they have him up there for the NPP is to get his ass off the stage(I thought the prize was for those who made a difference for world peace)...scientists are already debunking half of his work of fiction...it was a campaign commercial at best...and many bought on..right after impeachment....he epitimises the ultimate loser...remember Oliver North? He pointed out to the mental giant ALGORE Osama BIN Laden,..and old Al went blank as a wooden Indian..he would be easier to beat that her Majesty will...

...just imagine the battle and fur flying between Hillary and ALGORE...she screeching as she beats his ass into the dirt while hanging on to the bolts in his neck...the last thing America needs, can afford, or will vote for is ALGORE..as a conservative libertarian, I can only say..

PPLEASE, PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE, SWEET JESUS, PLEASE, PPPUUULLLLEEEEEESSSSSSEEEEE LET ALGORE INTO THE RACE....MAKE IT A RACE...PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by john maasch at 10/10/2007 @ 1:28pm
And then sit back and enjoy.

Posted by john maasch at 10/10/2007 @ 1:30pm
Hope your right, John. Being a little dramatic up there I know, but seriously consider him a real threat to the well being of the country. Whatever else people think about Bush today, at least he kept Gore out.

Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 10/10/2007 @ 1:32pm
Posted by CHIP THORNTON 10/10/2007 @ 1:19pm

neoconfrucks@hotmail.com

"bring it on"

Posted by Dr Decibels at 10/10/2007 @ 1:37pm
Apart from being the right thing for Al Gore to do, enter the race for pres., I have to admit when he does it'd be neat to see the synchronized foot tapping repub perv's here go all hysterical with their multiple layers of denial bursting out into a chorus of YMCA.... aYee i'M Crazy scAred, whY MaCAca, Your Man Called Al, saYs My Conscience Aches, soY Muy Chicken hAwk, denYing My Cowardly Arrogance, grandY Mold C pArty, YMCA, YMCA,...

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/10/2007 @ 1:40pm
What is it other than your well-publicized cynicism that leads you to believe that this is an example of something that Gore dropped to win as needed, as opposed to growing personally and changing his stance?-----Posted by DRHAMMER 10/10/2007 @ 1:25pm

Perhaps the fact that his DROPPING of this "deep personal conviction" coincided ALMOST EXACTLY with his decision to run for the Dem nomination in 1988, where he knew in a pro-choice Democratic Party (amongst the base, not yet the national audience), he would LOSE BY MILES if he remained "pro-life".

So...poof!...one "deep personal conviction" and one "shared belief"...out the window, along with Al Gore vers. 1.0.

Just like Al Gore 3.0 (today's) doesn't seem to support Al Gore 2.0 (1993-2000) on the topic of NAFTA. Those with memories might recall that the Veep debated FOR NAFTA against Ross Perot on Larry King.

NOW, with base and union opposition to free trade, Al Gore 3.0 emerges who "suddenly discovers" the horrors of the trade agreements and the WTO.

Want more? (Maybe, you often have an open mind...LIL?..no way)

Try "Al Gore: A User's Manual" by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair. And these aren't "Weekly Standard" right-wing Gore-bashers paid for by the Petroleum Institute....

They write for Counterpunch and...."The Nation"!

Posted by Mask at 10/10/2007 @ 1:43pm
I don't know which would be more satisfying for me,

seeing Al Gore as president,

or knowing that it would give Maasch a shit-hemorrhage.

Posted by drhammer at 10/10/2007 @ 1:44pm
aYee i'M Crazy scAred, whY MaCAca, Your Man Called Al, saYs My Conscience Aches, soY Muy Chicken hAwk, denYing My Cowardly Arrogance, grandY Mold C pArty, YMCA, YMCA,...----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/10/2007 @ 1:40pm

Gee, HSUB, most people just scream out "Oh, God! Oh, God!" or "Yes, baby!"....heheh

"Old HF will go absolutely orgasmic at this...despite the ignorance of reality (or actually because of it!)."---Posted by MASK 10/10/2007 @ 10:33am

Posted by Mask at 10/10/2007 @ 1:45pm
Posted by MASK 10/10/2007 @ 1:43pm

OK.

Posted by drhammer at 10/10/2007 @ 1:46pm
"Bring it On"

Now you sound like Bush.

timur1415@yahoo.com

Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 10/10/2007 @ 1:46pm
A Gore candidacy has the conservative Libertarians all in a tizzy. That is what I call an endorsement.

Posted by Lil at 10/10/2007 @ 1:48pm
Posted by CHIP THORNTON 10/10/2007 @ 1:46pm

Yeah, but unlike that pencil neck little shit, I'm not kidding.

Glad you caught the irony.

Posted by Dr Decibels at 10/10/2007 @ 1:49pm
Posted by MASK 10/10/2007 @ 1:43pm

Yeah Frita, I countered all that bs you spewed weeks/months ago. Don't suppose you kept all the links I gave you that shot them down. Nah, didn't think so.

Frita is such a foot tapping repub in denial it's rediculous. I guess Al just makes her 'come out' and all...

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/10/2007 @ 1:53pm
Posted by MASK 10/10/2007 @ 1:45pm

Frita just loves making and playing with her own straw dildos. Talk about living in her own straw dildo reality... Poor repub foot tapper in denial.

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/10/2007 @ 1:59pm
How is it that Americans make the same stupid mistakes over and over again? Why is it that they insist on boneheaded idiots to govern them? Why can't they govern themselves efficiently? And how is it that this nation can produce not one statesman...man or woman?

I'm gonna suggest that it is only appropriate that Americans behave as they do because they are about as uneducated as a box of of rocks and twice as stupid. Just a glance at how they raise their kids, stuff garbage down their throats, breathe toxic gases willingly and with great enthusiasm, read the most insane garbage such as, bibles, romance novels and sports pages in their newspapers, and above all ignore the poverty and distress that their so-called "fellow" citizens endure should give one pause as to how long this nation has to live. Do they know just what this national debt and reckless spending is going to do the the future of their nation?.......I seriously doubt it!

Al Gore?????? What a very sick joke they play on themselves!!!!

Posted by joemailman at 10/10/2007 @ 2:03pm
or knowing that it would give Maasch a shit-hemorrhage.

Posted by DRHAMMER 10/10/2007 @ 1:44pm

I will be just fine...but the rest of the nation would be in peril..the good news is he would only last 4 years(maybe)...but it will be fun to watch the fur between he and Hillary..and sad, too, as American business takes a beating from all his enviromental(key word mental here)...damaging regs.

Posted by john maasch at 10/10/2007 @ 2:13pm
What if Gore doesn't win the Nobel? Will this discussion be over? Please?

Posted by bjkron at 10/10/2007 @ 2:14pm
And what if Gore wins the Nobel and still doesn't run for president? I don't suppose that will make any of you Gore-bashers shut up....

Posted by bjkron at 10/10/2007 @ 2:17pm
I think Al Gore will announce he's running for pres whether he wins the Nobel or not. There are good arguments for him running either way. And 8 years of Al as pres may help turn this dic'tatorship philosophy around.

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/10/2007 @ 2:30pm
"The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which focuses on fundraising for House races, has almost a 14-to-1 lead in cash on hand over its Republican counterpart, and a recent Gallup Poll showed Americans favor Democrats over Republicans by 15 percentage points.

Add to this that is far more likely that the Democrats will gain a filibuster-proof 60 seats in the Senate than it is that the Republicans will gain back the two seats they need to retake the upper chamber. Add, also, the huge fundraising advantage the Democratic presidential contenders are enjoying. Toss in retirements, scandals, some unfortunate deaths, and horrible recruiting, and the prognosis for the GOP has never been so bleak. In fact, in my entire lifetime neither party has ever faced such a dismal future."

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2007/10/10/131030/39

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/10/2007 @ 2:43pm
Wow - come back from a long layoff to see things have gotten so bad that posters are calling each other out to "meet that the bike racks after school."

Posted by Hman23 at 10/10/2007 @ 2:54pm
Instead of doing something practical, like building dykes, he will hit us with ludicrous "carbon taxes". He will penalize people who drive SUV's and not Honda's, instead of encouraging manufacturers to make the SUV run LIKE the Honda.

You going to build one along the entire length of the Florida coastline? Incidentally, it's carbon taxes that will encourage the manufacturers to make the SUV run like the Honda.

Posted by brunowe at 10/10/2007 @ 3:01pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/10/2007 @ 1:59pm

Well, Mr Nichols did have ONE good point, HSUB. November 2nd is the cut-off for New Hampshire.

So finally, ultimately, you will HAVE to end this Fantasy Island version of politics of yours by a set date.

In 23 days....you will officially be 80% devoid of posting material!

heheh

Posted by Mask at 10/10/2007 @ 3:05pm
it seems, after a quick peruse that no one has called mr. nichols a whore today. that is good.

alas, it seems we're all waiting for goredot to come.

maybe tomorrow.

Posted by frosty zoom at 10/10/2007 @ 3:15pm
Posted by MASK 10/10/2007 @ 3:05pm

how much will you lose?

Posted by frosty zoom at 10/10/2007 @ 3:16pm
My only reservation about Gore would be over "Free Trade" and "NAFTA" that was a Clinton Legacy and if he still supports these trade policies.

Posted by P. J. Casey at 10/10/2007 @ 3:51pm
Posted by MASK 10/10/2007 @ 3:05pm

how much will you lose?

Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 10/10/2007 @ 3:16pm

Frita agrees to stop playing/making straw dildos for 6 months.

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/10/2007 @ 3:55pm
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 10/10/2007 @ 3:16pm

Barely a tic, FZ. HSUB is about the only one who truly believes anymore in impeachment (notice any John Nichols' threads on it lately?)...and (for the next 23 days) the only one who believes Gore IS running (not just discussing it or dreaming about it).

But day after All Saints' Day, HSUB will lose most of his "good material". He CLAIMS he'll admit he was wrong about Gore and impeachment...I doubt it. He's too heavily invested in it (been talking impeachment for over a year now, Gore '08 nearly as long).

But don't take my word for it...go back and look at his old posts...here's a starting point--

Posted by HSUBFOOLS 01/02/2007 @ 4:15pm |BLOG | Posted 01/02/2007 @ 02:22am Comments for "Ford, Cheney, Checks and Balances" by John Nichols

Calm down. I'm sure hsuB won't get impeached for another 2-3 months, at least.

Posted by HSUBFOOLS 01/02/2007 @ 2:54pm

Okay...translated.....you're calling for Bills of Impeachment out of the House of Reps by late October 2007?

yes?----Posted by MASK 01/02/2007 @ 4:18pm

Sounds about right. Or is that left to you?----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 01/02/2007 @ 4:20pm

For Gore, this from last month will do---

BLOG | Posted 09/26/2007 @ 1:02pm Clock is Ticking for Clinton's Challengers by John Nichols

But then that's why Al Gore will step in.----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/26/2007 @ 2:05pm

The biggest reason Al will step in will be leading candidates spouting rhetoric about continuation of the Iraq war and minimizing global warming or not putting it as a top priority.----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/26/2007 @ 3:12pm

(BTW, notice the verb tense..."will"...not "may", not "might"..."will")

Posted by Mask at 10/10/2007 @ 4:02pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/10/2007 @ 3:55pm

And what if YOU are wrong, HF? What's the wager?

Posted by Mask at 10/10/2007 @ 4:03pm
Anyone who cannot see the connection between Al Gore's work and world peace isn't really looking.

I agree: If he runs, he wins. He will restore America's standing in our very troubled world.

Posted by borealis at 10/10/2007 @ 4:05pm
Al Gore addressed an almost capacity crowd of 2800 Tuesday night at the Flint Center in Cupertino, CA and was hosted at a private reception afterwards by the sponsor and founder of the ongoing Celebrity Forum Speakers Series, former Foothill College VP Dr. Richard Henning. Celebrating its 40th year, the series has attracted such speakers as Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton. In attendance at the event were a number of influential Silicon Valley Democrats and business people, including County Assessor Larry Stone (who has endorsed HRC and is a well known fundraiser, lastly for John Kerry in the 2004 Primary and General Elections reporting $200K), former State Senator John Vasconcellos, County Supervisor Liz Kniss and Robert Kieve of Empire Broadcasting. Califorina4Gore was very visible, with table and signs and we marshaled 9 volunteers to comb the crowd for registered Democrats who want a real choice… And we found lots of them!

Bayarea4gore now has over 400 signatures of registered California Democrats from Santa Clara, San Mateo, Santa Cruz and Alameda Counties from two nights of effort, admittedly in the Presence, which helps... We have two more events, both on Thursday. The rest of the State now has the petitions and they are completing their first day of signature gathering. BUT we need volunteers and we need registered Democrats to step forward, contact us and sign up...! Each voice counts in this, we need 500 valid signatures in each Congressional District, even the reddest and most remote so send us an email and we will find a way to make your vote count. We aren't kids anymore, this ain't our first rodeo and we're not partial to tiltin' at windmills… We believe not only that Al Gore is the best choice to be the 44th President; we believe we will have an announced candidate! And we believe that what we are doing right now is the most important thing we could be doing, right now.

Contact America4Gore, connect with local supporters, they are out there and we know who they are! You will surprised to find that they are your neighbors, community leaders and activists who have come together to finally Take This Country Back, to elect a man of wisdom and stature, a man capable not only of healing the wounds and depredations of the recent years of War, neglect and avarice but also of leading our nation on a sure path to a future where America is always part of the solution, a future where America can be believed and believed in again.

Thank you all for your support over the years we have been lobbying for this, now let's get out there and make this happen! The restoration of our Republic is paramount and without it there is no hope of restoring our environment. We believe that Al Gore believes this as well and that he will soon join us, so let's get to building it…

RGJ/Dallas112263 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bayarea4gore/

Posted by Dallas112263 at 10/10/2007 @ 4:31pm
So Frita, if Gore enters the pres race, you agree not to form sentences with straw dildos stitched to the fabric of thought for at least 6 months from the time he announces. ( Er, are you even capable of doing that? Frita going straw dildo-less?!?! She'll be naked. But no fake straw dildo spine allowed for her.)

And if Al doesn't annouce by the November 1 date, (even though he'll be on all the primary state ballots per draft Al campaigns), I agree to not mention that Gore is entering the presidential race... until he actually does.

But then you have to go straw dildo-less for 6. cHeney boot- 6. hsuB- 6.... Naw-- 12. That's two years with no straw dildos for Frito to hold on to. I think she'll actually be able to walk again!?!?!

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/10/2007 @ 4:32pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/10/2007 @ 4:32pm

Okay, if I lose...I can't post anything unless YOU approve of it and declare it "straw dildo-free" (whatever the hell that is, since it roughly applies to anything I post, even QUOTES from Democrats about impeachment)....

if YOU lose, you get to keep dreaming of Gore entering the race LONG after it's possible for him to, but won't post anything about it actually happening until it does?

Is that the bet?

Wow, that does bring new meaning to "Heads I win, tails you lose", HSUB.

How about this? Gore announces...I apologize and admit you were right.

Gore doesn't announce by Nov. 2nd (last filing date for New Hampshire and JOHN NICHOLS' own stated cut-off date)...and YOU don't even have to apologize, just admit that you were wrong? No hedging your bet. No "But he could still come in if the Convention is tied". No "He could still run 3rd Party". But I'll let you keep "Hillary screws up, Gore will run in 2012 and steal the nomination from an incumbent President!".

Deal?

Posted by Mask at 10/10/2007 @ 4:48pm
Bayarea4gore now has over 400 signatures of registered California Democrats from Santa Clara, San Mateo, Santa Cruz and Alameda Counties from two nights of effort, admittedly in the Presence, which helps... ----Posted by DALLAS112263 10/10/2007 @ 4:31pm

400? FOUR HUNDRED?!?!? Wowsers! Say, how many Democrats are in Santa Clara, San Mateo, Santa Cruz and Alameda Counties?

Posted by Mask at 10/10/2007 @ 4:50pm
Ah ¬v¬, enter the DU proponent.

#1.

ACCESSION NUMBER:00000

FILE ID:97062401.txt

DATE:06/24/97

TITLE:24-06-97 TEXT: CLINTON/GORE RECORD OF PROGRESS SINCE RIO EARTH SUMMIT

(U.S. lists five years of environmental achievements) (2910)

United Nations -- As world leaders began a review of the commitments, goals and accomplishments in sustainable development and environmental protection since the Earth Summit was held in Rio de Janeiro in 1992, the United States has released a report of its own accomplishments in the past five years.

Included in the six-page list handed out June 23 were: efforts to ban ocean dumping of radio-active waste, the U.S. Climate Studies Program, moving the environment into the mainstream of U.S. foreign policy, development of an environmental technology export strategy, financing f sustainable development programs overseas and a phase-out of 12 dangerous organic pollutants.

Following is the White House text of the "Progress Since Rio" list:

PROGRESS SINCE RIO THE CLINTON/GORE RECORD

The Clinton Administration is working at home and abroad to implement the commitments, goals and vision of the Rio Earth Summit. The following is a snapshot of the Administration's efforts.

PROTECTING OCEANS

-- The U.S. was the first nuclear power to fight for a ban on ocean dumping of low-level radioactive waste. This resulted in a global ban.

-- The U.S. fought for an international action plan to cut land-based sources of marine pollution, agreed to at the Washington Conference in 1993.

-- Through the International Coral Reef Initiative, the U.S. is working with more than 70 other nations to protect the world's coral reefs.

-- The U.S. helped shape the U.N. Agreement for Conservation and Management of Highly Migratory Fish Stocks, an important new global agreement to protect ocean fisheries.

PROTECTING WILDLIFE AND BIODIVERSITY

-- Shortly after taking office, President Clinton signed the Biodiversity Convention, which still awaits advise and consent to ratification by the U.S. Senate.

-- The U.S. led efforts to create a 12 million square mile international whale sanctuary off Antarctica.

-- The U.S. imposed trade sanctions against Taiwan for trade in gravely endangered rhinos and tigers.

-- Through technical assistance and training, the administration's Partnership for Biodiversity is helping nations, including Brazil, Ecuador, Uganda, India, Guatemala, Tanzania, and South Africa, preserve their wildlife.

-- To make the U.S. Endangered Species Act more effective, the Administration is setting up "Habitat Conservation Plans" -- voluntary partnerships for endangered species recovery. These public-private partnerships protect species while allowing for development.

-- By the end of 1997, 400 Habitat Conservation Plans will be in place, protecting some 18 million acres.

-- The Administration has fought efforts to undercut the Endangered Species Act.

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/10/2007 @ 4:52pm
FIGHTING CLIMATE CHANGE

-- The U.S. shaped the international climate change negotiations with a call for binding emissions targets, flexibility in meeting those targets and the participation of all nations.

-- The U.S. Initiative for Joint Implementation has 23 projects in 11 countries, ranging from renewable energy technologies to forest conservation.

-- The U.S. Climate Studies Program has assisted more than 55 developing nations inventory their emissions, analyze their vulnerabilities to climate change, and address these impacts.

-- President Clinton is fighting for more than $1,000 million in funding for renewable energy' and energy efficiency programs.

-- Under the Climate Change Challenge Program, more than 70% of U.S. utilities have voluntarily committed to reduce their emissions.

-- Under the Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles, the administration is working with U.S. automobile manufacturers to improve fuel efficiency by a factor of three, by the year 2004, without compromising safety or performance.

-- The President has put in place standards to significantly reduce methane emissions from U.S. landfills.

SAFEGUARDING FORESTS

-- The U.S. helped craft the recommendations of the Intergovernmental Panel on Forests. Agreed to by over 80 nations, the recommendations go beyond the provisions of the Rio Forests Principles in protecting forests.

-- The U.S. provided technical assistance to Surinam to help evaluate large, proposed logging concessions for primary forests.

-- The United States is working with Indonesia, the nations of Central and South America, China, Russia, Central and Eastern Europe, the Baltic states, Japan and our North American partners to save valuable forests around the world.

-- President Clinton developed the Pacific Northwest Forest Plan, the first wide-scale implementation of ecosystem management in the U.S. Similar efforts are proceeding in other parts of the country.

BUILDING A NATIONAL CONSENSUS FOR SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT

-- The President created the President's Council on Sustainable Development. The PCSD brings together business, environmental and community leaders to advise the President in pursuing a national sustainable development strategy.

-- In 1996, the PCSD released a national sustainable development action plan. This comprehensive strategy report is now being used in implementing sustainable development at the local, regional, national and international levels.

LINKING NATURAL SECURITY AND NATIONAL SECURITY

-- The President is puffing environment in the mainstream of U.S. foreign policy.

-- The U.S. State Department has created twelve regional environmental hubs to address transboundary environmental problems that require regional solutions.

-- As part of the Administration-led Middle East peace process, the United States chairs the Multilateral Working Group on Water Resources.

-- Together with the G-7, the United States is working to improve safety at Soviet-designed nuclear reactors and is helping safely to close the reactor at Chernobyl.

PROMOTING ENVIRONMENTAL TECHNOLOGIES

-- The President's environmental technology export strategy combined with efforts of the private sector, and state and local partners, helped U.S. environmental exports reach $14,500 million in 1995, an increase of 50 percent over the 1993 level.

-- The President created the Environmental Technology' Trade Advisory Committee to strengthen the link between the government and the envirotech sector.

-- The U.S. Agency for International Development's Initiative for Environmental Technologies is working in partnership with the private sector to assist developing countries meet environmental challenges.

-- The Department of Energy's Industries of the Future Program is leveraging R&D resources for increased energy efficiency and more efficient environmental protection for seven sectors of the economy -- forest and paper, steel, aluminum, metal casting, glass, chemicals, and petroleum refining.

-- The Administration developed the National Environmental Technology Strategy. The strategy is guiding the development of new technologies for environmental protection and management toward five goals; performance, flexibility and accountability, innovation, commercialization, sustainable communities and collaboration between sectors.

-- The President established the Center of Excellence for Sustainable Communities. This Department of Energy program helps communities implement sustainable development strategies, in particular energy efficiency and renewable energy efforts.

-- Vice President Gore started the Global Learning and Observations to Benefit the Environment (GLOBE) Program, which links students with teachers and scientists working on environmental experiments and research. More than 100,000 students in 3,400 schools across 47 countries participate.

-- On Earth Day 1993, President Clinton announced the "Greening of the White House" initiative -- a comprehensive, multi-year project that will improve the energy efficiency and reduce the waste produced by the nation's home.

HELPING FINANCE SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT ABROAD

-- Under President Clinton's Africa Trade Initiative, roughly 50% more products from African nations will enter the U.S. duty-free.

-- The U.S. worked with Canada and Mexico to ensure that the North American Free Trade Agreement protected environmental and public health standards.

-- The U.S. led the way in forging alongside the NAFTA the North American Agreement on Environmental Cooperation and the creation of the Commission on Environmental Cooperation.

-- The U.S. leads efforts to promote environmental standards and assessments at the multilateral development banks.

-- The U.S. leads efforts to promote common environmental guidelines for export credit agencies.

-- In the past five years, the U.S. has supported local conservation of Indonesia's rich biological diversity; helped create solid waste disposal systems in Lima, Peru; helped Ecuador develop an independent solid waste disposal system; assisted tie Czech Republic establish a market-oriented lending for environmental infrastructure projects; helped provide 20 million Egyptians with wastewater treatment services; reduced pollution from Mexico's Manzanillo power plant; and, assisted Senegalese farmers manage fragile lands and increase their incomes and food security.

-- In 1995 alone, U.S. AID responded to 38 requests for disaster assistance to mitigate the impacts of natural disasters including 20 floods, three epidemics, two hurricanes, four droughts, a volcanic eruption, a mudslide, and one locust outbreak.

-- The Administration's microenterprise initiative is funding roughly 150 microenterprise institutions, in 40 countries, directly assisting roughly 20 million people improve their standard of living.

-- In Agadir, Morocco, the U.S. worked with local authorities to build over 1,000 environmentally sound housing units, provide thousands of former squatters new skills and create microenterprise employment opportunities. The Agadir initiative was selected for one of 12 U.N. Awards of Excellence In Improving the Living Environment.

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/10/2007 @ 4:52pm
IMPLEMENTING AGENDA 21'S CALL TO EMPOWER WOMEN

-- During his first weeks in office, the President reversed the Reagan and Bush Administrations' "Mexico City Policy" of arbitrarily withholding international funding from nongovernmental organizations that provide information on family planning.

-- The Administration's efforts led the way to an historic global consensus on population issues at the Cairo International Conference on Population and Development. In Cairo, the Administration led efforts to permit families to freely determine the number, spacing and timing of their children.

IMPLEMENTING AGENDA 21'S CALL FOR EXPANDING THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO KNOW

-- The Clinton Administration increased the number of facilities that must report their toxic releases by roughly 30 percent. These 6,600 new facilities bring the total number of facilities that must provide the public information about their releases on a community-by-community basis to 31,000.

-- Seven new categories of facilities, including coal and metal mining, and waste treatment, have been added to the right to know program.

-- The Administration added 286 new types of toxic releases that facilities must report, nearly doubling the list of toxics covered. Over 100 of these toxics are known to be cancer causing.

-- President Clinton issued Executive Orders requiring both federal facilities and industries that the federal government purchases goods from to provide the public with information about their toxic releases.

-- On June 12,1997, the Administration agreed to work with Canada and Mexico to help citizens throughout North America have access to continent wide information on toxic releases.

-- The President and Vice President required home sellers and landlords to disclose known information about lead-based paint hazards and give buyers and renters an optional period for lead inspections.

-- The Clinton Administration enacted a law requiring major food stores to provide consumers with information about health risks from pesticide residues found in the foodstuffs they sell. The law also requires that stores provide information about ways that these risks can be avoided.

IMPLEMENTING AGENDA 21'S CALL TO PROVIDE CLEAN WATER

-- The President signed the Safe Drinking Water Act requiring stronger health standards that will eliminate dangerous contaminants from drinking water, and requiring constant monitoring to ensure the safety of drinking water.

-- The President required that drinking water standards protect those most vulnerable to water contamination, in particular children and the elderly.

-- The Clinton Administration expanded tough controls on lead plumbing and fixtures. The President and Vice President have stood their ground, preventing Congressional efforts to rollback safe drinking water laws.

-- The President required drinking water systems to report to the public contamination found in their water.

-- President Clinton required drinking water suppliers to immediately notify their consumers whenever contamination levels exceed the federal standards.

-- The President -- for the first time ever -- authorized $10,000 million in loan funds to help local communities improve their drinking water systems.

-- The Administration provided subsidies to disadvantaged areas to assist them in meeting the costs of improving their drinking water systems.

IMPLEMENTING AGENDA 21'S CALL FOR FOOD SAFETY

-- The President signed the Food Quality Protection Act, establishing clear, consistent, health-based food safety standards for all pesticide use on all foods for all health risks.

-- The Clinton administration has' taken dozens of dangerous pesticides off the market, while simultaneously speeding up the availability of safer replacements.

-- The President issued strict new standards to prevent deadly E. coli bacteria contamination in meat.

-- The President enacted special provisions to protect infants and children from pesticide residues.

-- The President and Vice President have defeated Congressional efforts to rollback our food safety laws.

IMPLEMENTING AGENDA 21'S CALL FOR BETTER AIR QUALITY

-- The Clinton Administration required that within three years chemical plants must reduce toxic air pollutants by 90 percent.

-- The President, in 1995, issued a standard to reduce air pollution from 165 oil refineries across the nation. This standard will reduce the toxic pollution from these facilities by 60 percent.

-- The President has strengthened the air standards for municipal waste incinerators - cutting dioxin emissions by 99 percent and sharply reduce other dangerous pollutants, such as mercury and lead.

-- The Clinton Administration greatly strengthened the air emissions standards that apply to solid waste landfills. This standard is the smog busting equivalent of removing 3.5 million cars from America's roads.

-- The President is calling upon Congress to pass the National Economic Crossroads Transportation Efficiency Act, "NEXTEA." NEXTEA is a six-year, $175,000 million investment program to improve America's transportation infrastructure, including a 30 percent increase for efforts to combat smog and congestion, improve mass transit systems, support scenic byways and recreational trails.

IMPLEMENTING AGENDA 21'S CALL TO CONTROL TOXICS

-- The U.S. led the international community to negotiate a phase-out of 12 dangerous persistent organic pollutants, including DDT and PCBs.

-- In just the last four years, the Clinton administration has cleaned up 279 toxic waste sites; as many as the two previous administrations cleaned up in 12 years--the Administration's work accounts for 64 percent of the total 434 toxic hotspots cleaned up under the program.

-- Under the President and Vice President's leadership the Department of Energy has in three years completed 119 interim and 75 large-scale environmental cleanups at contaminated nuclear facilities.

-- The President's "Fast Track Cleanup" program has dramatically accelerated the clean up of closed military bases, speeding the revitalization of affected communities--saving more than $100 million in costs and cutting 80 years off cleanup schedules at over 70 installations.

-- The Clinton Administration has vetoed efforts that would have shifted the cost of cleaning up dangerously polluted sites from those who caused the pollution onto the American taxpayer.

-- The President and Vice President have defeated efforts to cut hack on our environmental cleanup programs.

IMPLEMENTING AGENDA 21'S CALL TO SAFEGUARD OUR PUBLIC LANDS

-- The U.S. "Parks in Peril" program has improved on-site management in 28 Latin American parks covering 7.8 million hectares. The program has also fostered the development of democratic civil societies by strengthening 19 NGOs.

-- The President created the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument protecting 1.7 million acres of redrock canyonlands, natural arches bridges and plateaus, and forest areas over 1,400 years old.

-- The President pushed for and signed legislation that created or improved roughly 120 national parks, trails, rivers and historical sites.

-- The President fought for and signed the California Desert Protection Act establishing the largest wilderness area in the continental United States --protecting more than 3.6 million acres of wilderness and 3.9 million acres of desert in three new national parks.

-- The President and Vice President have committed $1,500 million over seven years to efforts to restore the Florida Everglades. The Administration has committed to acquire over 100,000 acres of land necessary to save the "River of Grass."

-- The Clinton Administration is crafting an agreement with private mining interests to prevent mining activities in the vicinity of Yellowstone National Park the world's first national park.

IMPLEMENTING AGENDA 21'S CALL TO PROTECT OUR WATERS

-- The President refocused the Conservation Reserve Program to encourage more environmentally protective practices. Farmers in the reserve program reduce sediment in our nation's waters by 90 million tons per year.

-- The President has fought efforts to undercut protections for America's vital wetlands.

-- President Clinton will designate ten new American Heritage Rivers in 1997.

-- The Administration's Appalachian Clean Streams Initiative will clean up 121 miles of tributaries in five states.

-- In an historic first, the President's 1997 budget calls for the removal of two dams off the Elwha River, opening up more than 70 miles of wild water for roughly 250,000 native salmon.

REINVENTING ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION

-- The EPA alone has already eliminated more than 15 million hours of paperwork and redtape for business seeking to comply with environmental laws.

-- The President has initiated targeted reforms of the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act designed to cut unnecessary redtape from the program.

-- The President and Vice President's efforts are eliminating some 1,400 pages of obsolete rules, 10 percent of the total.

-- President Clinton's Project XL rewards businesses that are meeting environmental laws with the flexibility necessary to go beyond compliance -- if a business can find a better, cheaper way to improve environmental performance Project XL provides them the means to do so.

-- With seed money from the Administration, cities across the nation are participating in pilot projects to redevelop brownfields -- abandoned contaminated industrial sites. Forty brownfields pilot programs are moving forward, and the Administration's 1997 budget expands this effort.

-- The President has proposed a new brownfields tax incentive that would leverage $10,00 million in private sector clean up investment, and help clean up 30,000 brownfields sites.

-- The Common Sense policy allows EPA to waive or reduce penalties for small business, first time violators of environmental laws if they find the problem, inform the agency and fix the problem. The policy gives a 180-day grace period to correct certain violations without a penalty.

END

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/10/2007 @ 4:52pm
Attn snarkers...

2 nights, two events over 15% of the total attendance signed up... Remove your mask and see... Al Gore will be elected Presdeint in 2008, not because he is running... But because he is leading! Dallas112263

Posted by Dallas112263 at 10/10/2007 @ 4:53pm
Posted by MASK 10/10/2007 @ 4:48pm

Yeah I can admit when I'm wrong. But apparently Frita can't live without her straw dildos...

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/10/2007 @ 5:03pm
Compare and contrast ¬v¬:

http://tinyurl.com/2m3o3r

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/10/2007 @ 5:48pm
...Al Gore will be elected Presdeint...

Hey, Dallas, Houston here.....just want to thank you for the best laugh today!

Posted by Happy at 10/10/2007 @ 5:58pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/10/2007 @ 4:52pm

Posted by DALLAS112263 10/10/2007 @ 4:53pm

And I can join the rest of America on the ALGORE speculation with the fan gare...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

Posted by john maasch at 10/10/2007 @ 6:19pm
HOUSTON,

Dallas has a problem....

The one I like best is the guy with "we have to act now as it 2 years it is over", but if ALGORE is in the WH we can save the place....

Nature and global warming/cooling will occur with or wioth out the presence of ALGORE...

Has he found Tennessee yet? Other than his mansions courtescy of Oxidental Petroleum...does he actually live there? Can he win his own state?

These are only a few of the questions...ALGORE, should he be vain and stupid enough to enter the fray, will quickly become a cartoon character even more than he is now....

Posted by john maasch at 10/10/2007 @ 6:23pm
Hey JoMa,

Speaking of TN

http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/10/2007 @ 6:46pm
"Al Gore is rumored to be a recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize when it's announced this Friday, Oct. 12. The last American to be so honored, Jimmy Carter, won on the very same day that Hillary Clinton and the U.S. Senate voted to give George W. Bush authority to use military force against Iraq....something about weapons of mass destruction. That crowd in Oslo does have a sense of irony, eh?"

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/10/2007 @ 6:58pm
You boys need to get back under your bridge! They're goin' troll giggin' tonight... You best be hidin' away, now...

Please... Laugh all you want, enjoy it while you can... Because if you think Al Gore is goin' get stuck in yer craw, recall that the alternative is Mrs. Clinton... No Republican can be elected President in 2008, so choose yer poison gentlemen...

Dallas112263

Posted by Dallas112263 at 10/10/2007 @ 7:20pm
2 nights, two events over 15% of the total attendance signed up...----Posted by DALLAS112263 10/10/2007 @ 4:53pm

What snarkiness? If 15% of the people who hear Al Gore talk IN PERSON want him to be President, then that means that 15% of the people who hear him talk IN PERSON during the Iowa, NH, South Carolina, Nevada, etc. primaries will vote for him.

Man, them's winning numbers for Gore 3.0!

Posted by Mask at 10/10/2007 @ 7:33pm
Posted by DALLAS112263 10/10/2007 @ 7:20pm

Wanna make a side bet with you....you don't come back to this blog (or as DALLAS112263, maybe a new nick) after the November 2nd filing date for New Hampshire has passed and Gore's chance at the nomination, due to having that last post thrown back in your face.

Bet?

Posted by Mask at 10/10/2007 @ 7:34pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/10/2007 @ 5:03pm

23 days left, HSUB....My, my, my....seems like only 23 days AGO that you were saying "Gore WILL run". Time sure flying by, huh?

Posted by Mask at 10/10/2007 @ 7:37pm
While Frita continues to play with her straw dildos in public as a distraction as she's often apt to do, I thought I'd contribute something on this side of productive:

When will Gore announce? It's about Bali (UPDATED)

by Barcelona

Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 09:20:57 AM PDT

"Anyone who can come out of the crucible of 2000 to face down the petro-denialists and singlehandedly put the arcane issue of global warming at the top of the international agenda is no shrinking violet. He's a giant-slayer and a hero. Face it: Al Gore has finally come into his own, as a human being AND as a politician. If you haven't heard him lately, he gives a barn-burner of a stump speech on Restoring Democracy, the Constitution and the Rule of Law in America.

But the main reason I'm so convinced he will run is the same reason he's been barnstorming around the world for the past five years trying to alert the entire human race to the unprecedented danger it and we all face. Because he takes what he calls a planetary emergency very seriously, so seriously he has made it the single driving focus of his life, his raison d'être. It is that deathly serious, do or die, life-and-death issue that has liberated him to speak so much truth to Power and to speak out so forcefully not only on climate, but on Iraq, on the Patriot Act, on Warrantless Wiretapping, on the Unitary Executive, on the suspension of Habeas Corpus, on Torture, and on every other egregious power-grab by this administration, long before it was popular and long before any one else had the courage and vision to do so."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/10/8383/4812

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/10/2007 @ 8:07pm
DU eater, ¬v¬, you're the one that asked for only five... do you even read the stuff you post?

Considerring all the big tons more stuff out there to counter your tiny wrinkled up stuff, why not concentrate on what's about to happen now-- Al's announcement and your subsequent freaking out.

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/10/2007 @ 8:26pm
Face it: Al Gore has finally come into his own, as a human being AND as a politician.----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/10/2007 @ 8:07pm

Gee, only took 31 years (elected to House in 1976)!

heheh

Posted by Mask at 10/10/2007 @ 8:29pm
My handle has been Dallas112263 since 1999... You can Google it... There is only one other, and he is the guy who is into music, I spoke with him once, nice fellow but non-political, place and DOB. To me it is a sorta test, if you aren't old enough or smart enough to figure it out then...

As for whether I came back to visit this little corner of Freeperville... I don't know... I have lots to do, as you can tell we are actually off the couch and outta the door... But lemme ask you a question while I got ya on the line... Why The Nation? Why aren't you guys all over at the National Review or the Standard? Not that I avoid a spirited discussion mind you...

Now ya'll be good, I'm gettin' back ta the house... Dallas112263

Posted by Dallas112263 at 10/10/2007 @ 8:35pm
Posted by MASK 10/10/2007 @ 8:29pm

Hey Frita, scared if you ever stop using straw dildos you might actually grow one?

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/10/2007 @ 8:38pm
GORE'S PROBLEM IS THAT HE NEVER REALLY WANTED TO BE A POLITICIAN...

There's a good recent "New York Review of Books" article about Gore that makes exactly this point and supports it with a good deal of evidence from Gore's own life and public pronouncements. It's also a point I've been making in various places for years. The guy IS basically a left-leaning intellectual pushed into politics (and kept there) by family pressure (father a Tennessee Senator, etc.)

This is basically why Gore lost in 2000. Granted a corrupt Supreme Court decision was the immediate cause, but if Gore were a more, shall we say, ENTHUSIASTIC politician, he would have won by a large enough margin that no SC decision would have been necessary. And all those comments about his "woodeness" had some measure of truth. And then, when Gore made an effort to become less "wooden," he came across as being unnaturally pumped-up and enthused. At any rate, were he a "real" politician, he would have won by a large enough margin that no FL recount would have been needed.

But anyway. Of course, I hope he runs or is somehow persuaded to run but I'm inclined to doubt the possibility. This time around, I suspect that he can be as "wooden" as he like and still carry 2008 in a landslide!....

Posted by w_m_bear at 10/10/2007 @ 9:35pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/10/2007 @ 8:38pm

HSUB, I grant and have always granted the possibility, just not the probability of Bush and Cheney being impeached and Al Gore announcing his run for the Presidency in less than 3 weeks.

You cannot grant the opposite....here's why--

Self propaganda is a form of propaganda and indoctrination performed by an individual or a group on oneself.

Essentially, it is the act of telling yourself (Or a group telling themselves) something that they consider to be true, or to convince themselves, with the unfortunate repercussion of their having no doubts. Because of what they do to themselves, they will go over every aspect of their side of the "argument" to prove to themselves that they are right, and will refuse to look at any alternatives.

Self propaganda is a form of self-deception and indoctrination. It functions at individual and social levels: political, economic, and religious. It hides behind partial truths and ignores questions of critical thought."-----wikipedia.org

It's also why you displace "straw men" (converted by you, due to WILL's influence on your easily influenced mind into a feminine/sexual putdown into "straw dildoes) of your own making, into MY straw-men. Or your denial of reality (the rapidly approaching time for predicted impeachment) into MY denial of reality.

It's why I say you won't accept it when it comes and will NOT "admit you were wrong". It's a neuroses, light, not disruptive, but definitely there.

But you're also a jerk, so I have no sympathy for you and will continue to mock you to the bitter end....unless of course you turn out to be right...cuz I'm not the one with the problem!

Posted by Mask at 10/10/2007 @ 9:48pm
"Al Gore is rumored to be a recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize when it's announced this Friday, Oct. 12. The last American to be so honored, Jimmy Carter, won on the very same day that Hillary Clinton and the U.S. Senate voted to give George W. Bush authority to use military force against Iraq....something about weapons of mass destruction. That crowd in Oslo does have a sense of irony, eh?"

Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/10/2007 @ 6:58pm

that's it.

the iran attack is on for this friday.

fasten your seatbelts.

Posted by frosty zoom at 10/10/2007 @ 10:02pm
the iran attack is on for this friday.

fasten your seatbelts.

Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 10/10/2007 @ 10:02pm

That sounds like PLUNGER!....heheh

Posted by Mask at 10/10/2007 @ 10:26pm
Dallas--In case you haven't noticed, the most reactionary Libertarian nutcases have taken over these boards and made it their own stomping grounds for bashing libruls. They continue to spout their failed deregulation pipedream while engaging in the usual bullying, bossing and shouting loudly. It is all they have, but I have to admit that I don't respect the Nation for not providing a bulwark against it. It is comparable to the Democrats meekly letting the NeoCons run roughshod all over them in the spirit of bi-partisanship. The hell with that. The Republicans don't play by those rules--why give free license to board Nazis goosestepping all over the boards, claiming it as free speech. Give me a break.

Posted by Lil at 10/11/2007 @ 07:12am
Posted by LIL 10/11/2007 @ 07:12am

Read SHAFT, EMPTY, YPPOLB, WILL, LIL, CONSHAME, FRANKGRITS, ...

I can go on..but I think you get my point...or are you looking for a "Fairness Doctrine" for the blogs or do you want "those people" who disagree with you censored as Frank does? Which one of the Freedoms we all enjoy do you want to "void" to make your wish come true here?

Posted by john maasch at 10/11/2007 @ 07:23am
"It is all they have, but I have to admit that I don't respect the Nation for not providing a bulwark against it."

Posted by LIL 10/11/2007 @ 07:12am

Engage or ignore. But don't ask the Nation to censor. That is the special province of the fascist fuckheads who brought us to this sorry place in our democratic history.

I will assume from your handle that you are female, so I will not be so crass as to tell you to grow a pair.

But don't be a sissy.

Posted by drhammer at 10/11/2007 @ 07:32am
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 10/11/2007 @ 07:23am

If it looks like MAASCH composed his last post with a stale but hearty beerfart -- one that germinated gassily all night while he was passed out -- that is because he did. You see, given the early hour, MAASCH is at a loss since he has yet to recieve his fax from the Repulsive National Committee that tells him what to reflexively spout off about on a given day. That's how MAASCH, congenitally incapable of thinking for himself, learns that he is supposed to anger about, say, the Clinton's hit on VINCE FOSTER or to ask "What did Hilary know about Chelsea's onset of menses -- and when diod she know it???"; the stuff of wave after wave of congressional hearings and endless legal fishing expeditions.

We also notice, that left to his own devices, MAASCH gets himself into a lot of mischeif, burning himself badly with the verbal matches. We see that while he chides what he projects as being illiberal impulses onto other posters here, last week he was going apeshit ga-ga over trading with "libertarian" Red China. With a disengenious wink, MAASCH pretends to believe that he has missionary liberalizing impact over there -- where he does not speak a syllable of the language -- a mission that he has blithely given up on having over here.

Aaaaaa, the double think ...

Posted by John_Shaft at 10/11/2007 @ 08:25am
We could make Gore Ambassador to the Duchy of East Labia, (or West Labia, if he prefers sunsets.

Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 10/11/2007 @ 08:41am
Meet the new "progressive", folks....LIL. The liberal who wants censorship!

It is all they have, but I have to admit that I don't respect the Nation for not providing a bulwark against it.----Posted by LIL 10/11/2007 @ 07:12am

BTW, is this indictative of all the "Sheehanites"?

Posted by Mask at 10/11/2007 @ 09:15am
MASK, it has been, disturbingly, a liberal trait for some time now (like 15 years): Your comments are welcome provided they reflect "correct" thinking. Something not seen with real liberals of the past, ie Carter, Kennedy, F Roosevelt or Truman

Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 10/11/2007 @ 09:26am
Posted by CHIP THORNTON 10/10/2007 @ 1:46pm

Gee, Chip old man, I rushed home last night, eager to check my email and see what thunderous challenge to my manhood awaited me....... and nothing.

Not a peep out of you.

Typical ConservaCUNT. You are a fool and a coward.

Remember that next time you shoot your mouth off. I will.

Posted by Dr Decibels at 10/11/2007 @ 09:47am
CHIP and DR DECIBELS

Apart from your respective political views, all this testosterone-poisoned chest-thumping belies the fact that you are otherwise reasonably intelligent, articulate, and occasionally humorous individuals.

Give us a fucking break.

Posted by drhammer at 10/11/2007 @ 10:10am
Posted by DRHAMMER 10/11/2007 @ 10:10am

Ok. I'm just tired of their bullshit, and I thought I would give him the chance to make it real.

Posted by Dr Decibels at 10/11/2007 @ 10:18am
Gore goes by private jet from coast to coast, producing much more carbon per person as a commercial jet traveling with a full complement of passengers and crew. Lives in a huge house, about 17,000 sq. ft. (I am from Nashville.) Neglected in the environmental literature is the amount of energy needed for interior space, cooling it in the summer, warming it in the winter and illuminating it all the year round.(It is neglected because we all like our houses and apartments to be comfortable. It is easier and more comforting to the soul to slam the slobs who drive SUVs.)

An old saw applied. Get a reputation as an erly riser and you can sleep 'ti; noon.

Posted by Rashi at 10/11/2007 @ 10:21am
Posted by RASHI 10/11/2007 @ 10:21am

Now, now, now RASHI...remember! Gore "buys off his carbon footprint" with carbon credits!

....that he buys from the company that HE is CEO of! (Generation Investment Management)

Posted by Mask at 10/11/2007 @ 10:32am
2 Hillary is still the Dem nomonee so if Gore runs: Ross Perot---Posted by MARYBRETBRAD 10/11/2007 @ 09:30am

No, only the most striden Gore cultists (like HSUB) would push him to go "3rd party" and Gore would never do it anyway (He knows he'd become a pariah if he split the Left and let the GOP win what should easily be a Dem victory in 2008).

Posted by Mask at 10/11/2007 @ 10:34am
Dr Decibels, DR is right. However, I tire of listening to your belligerent threats, so let me say this once: I frankly forgot your bluster since any coward can attack me with their Email address. So I responded in kind. If your actually serious about being more belligerent than that, then find me. It will be you that starts it, and we will see what happens after that. Otherwise, take your foul mouth bullshit and go talk to someone else, or talk to me in a civilised manner. I'm not interested in talking to an asshole whose favorite word is "cunt". I like to think we can do a little better.

Discussion ended.

Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 10/11/2007 @ 10:42am
"But don't ask the Nation to censor"

What a crock, unless they are willing to conform to free speech as hate speech. The Rightwing armchair warriors, still preaching their plain-to-see, can't get anymore obvious, mythology of free market, de-regulated gitbiggubbermintoffaourback caca, spam the boards and get their hardy-har-hars baiting and bashing Libruls. Either they need to get a job or they are slacking off on the bossman's dime. Typical Rightwing thugs always looking to bully. Free speech as the equivilant of letting klan members take over a black church and shouting racist sentiments at everyone who comes in the door.

Posted by Lil at 10/11/2007 @ 10:45am
Posted by CHIP THORNTON 10/11/2007 @ 10:42am

Well, since you responded so nicely, blow it out your ass.

I don't take shit from the likes of you.

NOW the discussion is ended.

Posted by Dr Decibels at 10/11/2007 @ 10:47am
Posted by Dr Decibels at 10/11/2007 @ 10:50am
Posted by LIL 10/11/2007 @ 10:45am

LIL, you only wants "correct speech", i.e. things YOU agree with to have an outlet.

You're no liberal, nor "progressive"...you're an authoritarian!

Or you're just so lame you can't debate and so want to be able to say anything YOU want with no contradiction.

Or both.

Posted by Mask at 10/11/2007 @ 11:00am
To MASK on "Gore's carbon credits": From your ironic remark, I am sure you realize that Gore's lavishly publicized activity reduced carbon emissions not at all. Gore released a certain amount of Carbon into the atmosphere and paid someone else to reduce his emissions by the same amount. Pluses and minuses are equal, adding up to a zero reduction in the amount of atmospheric Carbon that Gore's self-serving activity produced.

All of this sums up to more than peeling back the shades to let in the sun, revealing the small hypocrisies of the supposedly great. Leaders are expected to set good examples by what they do and not how much they chatter. In current psychobabble, that is called "being a good role model". Gore sets no example at all. But his acolytes and all the adoring claques just lick it up. These are some of the people Lincoln said you could fool all the time.

Posted by Rashi at 10/11/2007 @ 11:04am
"What a crock...Free speech as the equivilant of letting klan members take over a black church and shouting racist sentiments at everyone who comes in the door."

Posted by LIL 10/11/2007 @ 10:45am

I can appreciate your passion, Lil, but your analogy is wanting.

This is a digital environment. The biggest assholes here can do no more than annoy or insult. They can do no harm to your person or your beliefs; indeed few of them can manufacture their own sound argument.

While it's stretching a point to say that the most rabid of the right-wingers deserve anyone's compassion, it may be worth remembering that they are coming to grips with the fact that the dark steed they have backed is headed inexorably toward the glue factory. Their level of desperate invective is indirectly proportionate to their political hope, which is being dashed daily by the failures of those they looked to for leadership.

In the bigger picture, I find it to be a vaguely satisfying phenomenon. Something must be going right.

Peace.

Posted by drhammer at 10/11/2007 @ 11:16am
"These are some of the people Lincoln said you could fool all the time."

Posted by RASHI 10/11/2007 @ 11:04am

This may be too appropriate, but I believe the quote is P.T. Barnum's...

Posted by drhammer at 10/11/2007 @ 11:18am
BTW

Anyone else here excited by the image of Kate Blanchett in chain mail and lace?

(Sorry...)

Posted by drhammer at 10/11/2007 @ 11:30am
LVLIBERTY: There you go lying again! UK Court rules school children must be warned that "Inconvenient Truth" isn't truthful

UK Court & Gore [tinyurl.com]

Posted by LVLIBERTY1 10/10/2007 @ 4:34pm

And what was actually ruled was that the film must be shown with a disclaimer that it is political opinion.

Good thing there isn't a commandment against lying!

Posted by ILOVEPHYSICS at 10/11/2007 @ 11:42am
On the topic of blog etiquette, HSUBFOOLS, I recommend you to stop putting "straw-dildo" -- whatever the hell THAT means -- in every post to MASK. Sorry to be blunt, but it looks juvenile.

Posted by Hman23 at 10/11/2007 @ 12:01pm
Just some constructive criticism, HSUB. Take it or leave it.

Posted by Hman23 at 10/11/2007 @ 12:14pm
But you're also a jerk, so I have no sympathy for you and will continue to mock you to the bitter end....unless of course you turn out to be right...cuz I'm not the one with the problem!

Posted by MASK 10/10/2007 @ 9:48pm

Frita, at the very least I don't 'jerk around' with 'straw dildos' and then acknowledge being proud of said infraction to public norms.

On the other hand, (speaking of your 'jerk' admission), I've already stated on several occasions that I readily admit when I'm wrong and have done so before, thus the whole of your thesis concerning my thought process is wrong-- yet the illumination of your vacuous and vindictive neurotic drive is clearly obvious to all.

And the other reason Frita wears a mask-- it's her crutch enabling her to perform shamelessly with straw dildos in public. Sad but true.

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/11/2007 @ 12:18pm
Posted by HMAN23 10/11/2007 @ 12:01pm

If you enjoy Frita's straw dildos in public, fine-- that I give them a name and you object, no so.

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/11/2007 @ 12:25pm
Posted by DRHAMMER 10/11/2007 @ 11:30am

Don't be sorry, she is. (Better as Galadriel or in "Bandits", but not bad)

Posted by Mask at 10/11/2007 @ 12:42pm
Counter Punch 15 February 2006 Joshua Frank

Al Gore has become somewhat of an American idol this past few years. After his departure from Washington in 2000 the ex-presidential candidate has switch-backed across the county giving thundering sermons to over-flowing auditoriums and town halls. He's railed against the Republican agenda in Iraq, denouncing President Bush and the neocons at every turn. Gore is fast becoming the antiwar celebrity du jour, capturing the imaginations of many who fear the vicious Bush cartel.

"Normally, we Americans lay the facts on the table, talk through the choices before us and make a decision. But that didn't really happen with this war -- not the way it should have," Gore remarked in a MoveOn.org sponsored lecture at NYU in August, 2003. "[A]s a result, too many of our soldiers are paying the highest price, for the strategic miscalculations, serious misjudgments, and historic mistakes that have put them and our nation in harm's way."

Some believe Gore has always been a beacon of hope, alleging it's just too darn bad the 2000 election was stolen (or sabotaged by Ralph Nader) right out from under him. We wouldn't be in Iraq today, they claim -- for this war on terror is purely a Republican crusade that would have never occurred under a Democratic administration, especially if Gore was at the helm.

----------8<-------------8<-------------8<------------

From "Monty Python" (joke)

First Python: "I came here for an argument!"

Second Python: "Oh, I thought you were here for abuse."

First Python: "Oh no, I'm looking for an argument."

Second Python: "But this is the room for abuse."

First Python: "Ah."

Second Python: "You want 12A, just down the hall."

First Python: "Thank you."

Second Python: "No trouble."

Posted by HonestLiberal at 10/11/2007 @ 12:46pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/11/2007 @ 12:18pm

HF, in 22 days, we'll know (just like back when I said 23,24,25 days...a month, two months, three months, etc., etc., etc....clock is ticking!).

Again, given your neurotic behavior (as well as insisting I'm female, for reasons also psycho-sexual)....I doubt it.

I think when November 2nd comes and no impeachment and no "Gore in '08"...you'll backpedal, obfuscate, come up with excuses, and POSSIBLY even "push the dates back" ("Pelosi will consider impeachment when the new session starts to coincide with the primaries" or "Gore can still run in February, win California and more, and take it from Hillary!").

You're too heavily and emotionally invested in this, both from a sense of facing an existentialist crises when it turns out that NO, the Universe is NOT a just and moral place....and from the fact that it would send you into a tailspin for me to say "Straw dildo? You mean like 'Impeachment by October 2007' and 'Gore WILL run and win in 2008'" everytime you open your fat pie-hole!

heheh

Posted by Mask at 10/11/2007 @ 12:50pm
Big Al would be crazy to run for president - he's making too much money and getting all adoration his ego needs without the punishing responsibility of running (not to mention actually winning and having to make good the complete wish list of his lefty sycophants). Al has it made - where he's at.

Posted by southerncon at 10/11/2007 @ 12:59pm
Posted by SOUTHERNCON 10/11/2007 @ 12:59pm

As much as I would like to see Gore step up, this has always been a hard assertion to argue with.

Posted by drhammer at 10/11/2007 @ 1:14pm
And to all the new con supporters, servicers of dic'tator philosophy, being summoned from beneath their rocks, using the typical Goldilocks 3 bears trash technique on Al, we're on to you and it won't work this time. The smear tactics used in 2000 have been revealed and reviled.

Well, except to the 10-15% that are ditto heads out there that anything Limpaw/Box Noise, says to think, they think. They'll even attack a 12 year old boy and his family with their lies and deception.

However, Al Gore has tons of accomplishments and documentation/awards associated with those accomplishments. Criticizing Al Gore for what he 'hasn't' done or what he's not, cannot weight a feather in the balance against the tons on the other side of the scale which atests to what he has done.

That he has the wherewithall to do more with what he's already accomplished, than all the other candidates, that much is clear, the only thing that isn't crystal clear is he choice to do so by announcing his candidacy.

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/11/2007 @ 1:22pm
Posted by MASK 10/11/2007 @ 12:50pm

Frita, you've been repeating that same old worn out straw dildo what 10-20 times and I've answered it already. Ergo you're the insane one. And that's why what you think is your spine is really a big straw dildo. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/11/2007 @ 1:28pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/11/2007 @ 1:28pm

So if someone repeats something 15-20 times, that an indication of insanity?

Okay....what if it's the phrase "straw dildoes"?

LOL!

Posted by Mask at 10/11/2007 @ 1:45pm
Okay....what if it's the phrase "straw dildoes"?

Posted by MASK 10/11/2007 @ 1:45pm

That's your middle name Frita: Frita S.D. Mask

The name of an insane person.

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/11/2007 @ 1:56pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/10/2007 @ 1:59pm Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/10/2007 @ 3:55pm Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/10/2007 @ 4:32pm Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/10/2007 @ 5:03pm Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/10/2007 @ 8:07pm Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/10/2007 @ 8:38pm Posted by MASK 10/10/2007 @ 9:48pm Posted by HMAN23 10/11/2007 @ 12:01pm Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/11/2007 @ 12:18pm Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/11/2007 @ 12:25pm Posted by MASK 10/11/2007 @ 12:50pm Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/11/2007 @ 1:28pm Posted by MASK 10/11/2007 @ 1:45pm Posted by HSUBFOOLS 10/11/2007 @ 1:56pm

This represents a quick list of postings that reference thatch-based marital aids, on this thread alone.

Again, give me a fucking break.

Posted by drhammer at 10/11/2007 @ 2:39pm
Mr. Nichols,

Why no follow up to the passage of CAFTA by the people of Costa Rica? After all, this is what democracy looks like.....

Posted by davebarlett at 10/11/2007 @ 3:02pm
Posted by DRHAMMER 10/11/2007 @ 2:39pm

Oh come on Doc...you really didn't expect me and HSUB not to go at it on a ...."Draft Gore" thread?

This is like Mr Nichols throwing out candy at a Shriners' parade and not expecting HSUB to be scrambling across the street gathering up Tootsie Roll Bites and peppermints...and me telling him he'll get cavities!

And then him claiming dental hygiene is a "straw dildo"!....heheh

Posted by Mask at 10/11/2007 @ 4:21pm
Posted by DAVEBARLETT 10/11/2007 @ 3:02pm

Mr Nichols not much into posting when his pronostications fail to come true, DAVE.

Any chance we'll see another "Impeachment is just around the corner" thread from him ...ever again? Or even an admission that "it's over"?

Posted by Mask at 10/11/2007 @ 4:23pm
Posted by DAVEBARLETT 10/11/2007 @ 3:02pm

Mr Nichols not much into posting when his pronostications fail to come true, DAVE.

Any chance we'll see another "Impeachment is just around the corner" thread from him ...ever again? Or even an admission that "it's over"?

Time Warp---Posted by MASK 10/11/2007 @ 4:23pm

Posted by Mask at 10/11/2007 @ 4:24pm
Posted by DRHAMMER 10/11/2007 @ 2:39pm

Exactly my point, Dr.

Posted by Hman23 at 10/11/2007 @ 4:56pm
Isn't being that upset about the term 'straw dildo' a straw, er, point?

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/11/2007 @ 5:10pm
It's crude, HSUB, and makes you look 12.

If you don't share my opinion, fine. I'm not the one saying it over and over again.

Posted by Hman23 at 10/11/2007 @ 5:15pm
Look I tire of agreeing with Frita about the Iraq war-- gots to deflate the straw 'devise' she tosses around at other subjects she attempts to obscure-- otherwise, what's the er, point...

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/11/2007 @ 5:16pm
HMAN23

Hey, I'll agree to stop using the term 'straw dildo'-- if Frita agrees to stop creating them. Howsabout that? It may improve the matter of discourse on the Nations blogasphere two-fold in that case!

Get the new cons that post here to stop stretching the truth til it's dead and buried and it might appear we blog in heavon or some such diminsional warp.

Good luck on both of those.

And have I ever stated how 'old' I actually am? '12 years old' is/will be/has been, a very good year to me...

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/11/2007 @ 5:30pm
And no one finds it at all curious that:

1. the Vanity Fair article 'Going After Gore' -

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/10/gore200710),

2. the Nobel Pease Prize:

Odds Favor Al Gore for Nobel Peace Prize

By LiveScience Staff posted: 09 October 2007 12:40 pm ET

"Al Gore is a 5:2 favorite to win the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize, while President George Bush is the definitive long shot at 100:1.

The right-wing radio host Rush Limbaugh and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair also come in at 100:1 at BetUS.com, where anyone can place a bet on just about anything."

http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/071009-nobel-bet.html

3. the open letter ad to Al that ran in the NY Times yesterday:

http://dove.he.net/%7Egore2008/DraftGore_ad2.pdf

4. that he's actively fund raising for candidates:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/indexn?blogid=14

5. the insertion of global warming into the judicial arena:

Too-Convenient Truths in An Inconvenient Truth, Part One

By Brandon Keim October 11, 2007 | 1:23:10 PM

"Claim: "The film claimed that low-lying inhabited Pacific atolls "are being inundated because of anthropogenic global warming" - but there was no evidence of any evacuation occurring."

WiSci Response: Only if people from Tuvalu and Vanuatu aren't really people.

Claim: "It spoke of global warming "shutting down the ocean conveyor" - the process by which the gulf stream is carried over the north Atlantic to western Europe.

The judge said that, according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, it was "very unlikely" that the conveyor would shut down in the future, though it might slow down."

WiSci Response: Fair enough, though the supplementary materials should explain that a slowdown is still quite possible and pretty scary, too.

Claim: "Mr Gore had also claimed - by ridiculing the opposite view - that two graphs, one plotting a rise in C02 and the other the rise in temperature over a period of 650,000 years, showed "an exact fit".

The judge said although scientists agreed there was a connection, "the two graphs do not establish what Mr Gore asserts.""

WiSci Response: Deriving causation through correlation can be tricky, but the judge was way out of line on this. The fits are so close that if Gore and scientists want to draw the conclusion that they're related, that's perfectly acceptable."

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/10/too-convenient-.html

6. Al Gore primary poll numbers are still competitive, (top 1 or 2 spots in some states),

Are all in the news NOW?

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/11/2007 @ 7:08pm
Posted by MARYBRETBRAD 10/11/2007 @ 6:57pm

Good one.

But I take no 'real' pleasure-- it's a responsibility.

Although I do tend to snicker at times...

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/11/2007 @ 7:14pm
Posted by MARYBRETBRAD 10/11/2007 @ 6:50pm

Sorry, MBB...not buying it.

Not "not buying" that Gore will be just eat up with how he lost in 2000 for the rest of his life, but not buying that he thinks he can do anything but get ATLEAST 50% of the liberal base, 70% of the total electorate, and 95% of the Democratic Party pissed AS HELL at him, for splitting the vote and letting Giuliani, Romney, Huckabee, whatever win what is the easiest Dem campaign since 1976 (maybe 1964).

Gore running 3rd Party would alienate a ton of his supporters, not HSUB but a lot of the rest who would see it as a vanity run (almost as bad as Nader in 2004, though everyone knew that hardly any Naderite from 2000 would vote for him in 2004).

Plus you forget the Hillary/Bill MACHINE. Think they don't have a nice fat file on Al that they prepared in 2004 and kept to today...first explaining how he was out of the loop, then how he HELPED Gingrich, then finally how he wasn't Mr Clean Jeans when it came to some of his campaign donations.

And that same file is what will keep him from running THIS time for the Dem nomination.

I appreciate your cynicism about Gore, but I think it counts on him being dumber than his image.

Posted by Mask at 10/11/2007 @ 7:47pm
BTW, love to see HSUB define exactly, specifically what a "straw dildo" is...

so that I can save it for the next time I post a QUOTE from a Democrat, opposing impeachment, and he can explain how that fits the criteria.

heheh

Posted by Mask at 10/11/2007 @ 7:48pm
As a conservative Republican, I can only say ... Run, Al, Run!

Posted by Gronup at 10/11/2007 @ 7:52pm

BTW, love to see HSUB define exactly, specifically what a "straw dildo" is...

Posted by MASK 10/11/2007 @ 7:48pm |

¿itchy?

Posted by frosty zoom at 10/11/2007 @ 9:53pm

He's not running, for cripsakes!

Get over it and get on with your life (like supporting Edwards for President).

Posted by neaguy at 10/11/2007 @ 9:57pm

I hope Al runs. His running can pretty much guarantee a Republican victory. He is such a pompous jackass it's hilarious. His misguided, uneconomical, and impracticle ideas on how to prevent climate change are ridiculous. Kyoto worked so well, (not one country hit their CO2 reduction levels) that now all you retards want to make it even stricter. That'll work. MANBEARPIG. The man is a washed up joke. No one outside of the coastal elites and the insane moveon left have any respect for the man. Do ya'll talk to people who don't share your political views?

Posted by murph11618 at 10/11/2007 @ 9:58pm

Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 10/11/2007 @ 9:53pm

Actually the technical definition is...

"Any and everything that contradicts the HSUBFOOLS' world-view. See 'facts', 'quotes', 'history', and 'logic'"

Posted by Mask at 10/11/2007 @ 10:20pm

See 'facts', 'quotes', 'history', and 'logic'"

Posted by MASK 10/11/2007 @ 10:20pm

darn.

time to dust off the ol' dicshinary

Posted by frosty zoom at 10/11/2007 @ 10:47pm

"Posted by MARYBRETBRAD 10/11/2007 @ 6:50pm

Posted by MARYBRETBRAD 10/11/2007 @ 6:57pm

Well done, and here, here!! on both posts..

Posted by john maasch at 10/12/2007 @ 12:02am

"He's not running, for cripsakes!

Get over it and get on with your life (like supporting Edwards for President).

Posted by NEAGUY 10/11/2007 @ 9:57pm "

Is Edwards running? For What?

Posted by john maasch at 10/12/2007 @ 12:05am

BTW, love to see HSUB define exactly, specifically what a "straw dildo" is...

Posted by MASK 10/11/2007 @ 7:48pm |

¿itchy?

Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 10/11/2007 @ 9:53pm

Actually the technical definition is...

"Any and everything that contradicts the HSUBFOOLS' world-view. See 'facts', 'quotes', 'history', and 'logic'"

Posted by MASK 10/11/2007 @ 10:20pm

Well it's what Frita just gave you as the perfect example-- it's her saying what a 'straw dildo' is-- that's totally made up as the real thing when it is in reality anything 'but' the 'real' thing. PERFECT.

Thanks Frita, knew you wouldn't go counter to your straw dildo making ways.

Posted by hsuBfools at 10/12/2007 @ 01:27am

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