The Beat

Gonzales Goes But Investigation Must Continue

posted by John Nichols on 08/27/2007 @ 11:29am

Facing the prospect of increasingly aggressive congressional inquiries into his politicization of the Department of Justice, as well as an energetic House push for his impeachment, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has announced that he will resign effective September 17.

Gonzales, the former White House counsel who made clear during his two-and-a-half-year tenure as the nation's top cop that he served President Bush rather than the Constitution, announced his exit strategy just days before the Congress returns from a summer break during which senators and representatives had gotten an earful about the need to get rid of Gonzales.

A proposal by Washington Democrat Jay Inslee, a respected former prosecutor, to have the House Judiciary Committee investigate whether Gonzales should be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, attracted 27 cosponsors during the current recess and would have drawn many more with the return of the House in early September.

The Attorney General was ripe for impeachment -- or, at the very least, the censure proposed by U.S. Senator Russ Feingold, D-Wisconsin -- because of a rapidly broadening recognition that Gonzales had displayed a blatant disregard for the law since his arrival in Washington in 2001 at the side of his longtime friend and political benefactor George Bush.

"Alberto Gonzales was the 'Enabler General' for the imperial Bush presidency," said People For the American Way President emeritus Ralph G. Neas upon learning of the Attorney General's decision. "He undermined the Constitution, made a mockery of the rule of law, and turned the Justice Department into an arm of the Bush Administration's political operation.

Gonzales, whose signature line was a declaration that he served "at the pleasure of the president," made it his business as White House Counsel and Attorney General to do just that.

As Feingold said this morning, "Attorney General Gonzales' tenure was marked by unprecedented politicization of the Department of Justice, deception of Congress and the American people, and disrespect for the rule of law. He should never have been confirmed and should have resigned long ago. The first loyalty of the next attorney general must be to the law, not the president."

Gonzales reversed the "first loyalty" equation enunciated by Feingold.

As Counsel from 2001 to 2005, Gonzales blocked requests from the General Accounting Office for information about Enron officials meeting with Vice President Dick Cheney's Energy Task Force. He refused requests from congressional committees for information that the House and Senate had a right -- and a need. He made the legal case for torture, despite the fact that the Constitution bars cruel and unusual punishment. He outlined schemes for subverting the judicial system and its rules by making terror suspects eligible for military tribunals. He helped convince Bush to refuse to afford prisoners held at Guantanamo the basic protections afforded prisoner-of-war under treaties the United States had accepted as the law of the land.

As the nation's 80th Attorney General -- a position he took in February, 2005, after the Senate voted 60-36 to confirm his nomination -- Gonzales extended his representation of Bush into should be an independent federal agency. He defended the president's authorization of an illegal warrantless wiretapping program. He accepted the "extraordinary rendition" of suspects from U.S. custody to that of torture regimes. And he turned the Department of Justice into an extension of Karl Rove's White House political shop.

Revelations about the firing of eight U.S. Attorneys who were seen by the administration as insufficiently political in their investigations and prosecutions opened up an investigation that has begun to confirm a broad scheme to politicize the Justice Department's work in the area of voting rights -- a scheme apparently designed by Rove to suppress turnout by minorities and others who might vote Democratic.

The investigation into those machinations has hit the administration hard -- so hard that the president is now jettisoning his oldest and closest aides in order to prevent the inquiry from evolving into a serious examination of his own lawlessness.

Today's exit announcement by Gonzales comes just days after Rove signaled his plan to go.

The important thing now is to make sure that the administration does not succeed in using high-profile departures to shut down -- or, at the very least, to diminish the seriousness and the extent of -- those inquiries.

When Rove announced the he was leaving, Senate Judiciary Committee chair Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont, made it clear that the political aide remained a target of broad inquiries by the judiciary committees of the House and Senate.

"Mr. Rove acted as if he was above the law. That is wrong, Leahy said at the time. "Now that he is leaving the White House while under subpoena, I continue to ask what Mr. Rove and others at the White House are so desperate to hide. Mr. Rove's apparent attempts to manipulate elections and push out prosecutors citing bogus claims of voter fraud shows corruption of federal law enforcement for partisan political purposes, and the Senate Judiciary Committee will continue its investigation into this serious issue."

Referencing the growing sense that the inquiry into wrongdoing in and around the Justice Department could yet be the undoing of the Bush-Cheney administration, Leahy added, "The list of senior White House and Justice Department officials who have resigned during the course of these congressional investigations continues to grow, and today, Mr. Rove added his name to that list. There is a cloud over this White House, and a gathering storm. A similar cloud envelopes Mr. Rove, even as he leaves the White House."

The "list" referenced by Leahy gets longer with the news that Gonzales is going.

But the essential question with regard to Gonzales remains the same as the question that Leahy laid down when Rove said he would go: What are these people so desperate to hide?

The answer is that, just as Gonzales and Rove served Bush rather than the Constitution, they now seek with their resignations to protect Bush -- and Vice President Cheney -- from investigations that are necessary to any serious effort to restore the primacy of the founding document in the affairs of the nation.

Only a continued inquiry into the lawlessness of the soon-to-be-former Attorney General will achieve what is the essential purpose of this Congress: the restoring of the rule of law to a country deeply damaged by petty little men who chose personal loyalties and political expediency over their duty to the Republic.

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John Nichols' new book is THE GENIUS OF IMPEACHMENT: The Founders' Cure for Royalism. Rolling Stone's Tim Dickinson hails it as a "nervy, acerbic, passionately argued history-cum-polemic [that] combines a rich examination of the parliamentary roots and past use of the 'heroic medicine' that is impeachment with a call for Democratic leaders to 'reclaim and reuse the most vital tool handed to us by the founders for the defense of our most basic liberties.'"

Comments (186)

  1. (Picking up from Pollitt thread)

    Mask, I'm not saying Bush and Cheney are next, but Gonzales leaving is a good thing. And may I remind you, something YOU were pretty convinced would not occur (no "downside" for Bush, etc., etc., etc.).

    hehe

    Posted by HMAN23 08/27/2007 @ 10:19am | ignore this person

    Not surprised Bush is going to put up another yes-man from inside the rotting circle of his administration. We'll see if the Dems have the guts to deny Chertoff the nod. I doubt it, but they should take a stand here. There probably was already a handshake deal before the announcement that the Dems would play ball.

    Posted by HMAN23 08/27/2007 @ 10:23am | ignore this person

    Posted by Hman23 at 08/27/2007 @ 10:25am

  2. HMAN23:

    When has the Bush Administration NOT put up yes-men, boot-licking sycophants, and ideological lackeys up for any and all positions of note during their term?

    Posted by jorcheim at 08/27/2007 @ 10:27am

  3. Posted by HMAN23 08/27/2007 @ 10:25am

    I'm still not convinced there will be a "downside" to Gonzales leaving (there was little when he stayed, when calls for his resignation first started ALMOST A YEAR AGO!).

    Again, Rumsfeld left, we got Gates, and two months later the Surge was implemented and 4 months after that the Democrats signed off on the Iraq supplemental spending with no time-tables for withdrawal.

    Mr Nichols here sounds almost desperate in his statement that "Only a continued investigation of the lawlessness of the soon-to-be-former Attorney General will achieve what is the essential purpose of this Congress: the restoring of the rule of law to a country deeply damaged by petty little men who chose personal loyalties and political expediency over their duty to the Republic."....and I don't blame him.

    History has shown us, atleast once (with "Rummy") that a resignation is just the ticket for relieving the heat on the White House and even HELPING their agenda.

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 10:41am

  4. Gonzales: First the Hague, then Hell!!!! GUILTY, of abandoning your Commander in Chief. GUILTY, of running away. GUILTY of cowardice!!! GUILTY OF CUTTING AND RUNNING!!!!

    Posted by conshame at 08/27/2007 @ 10:42am

  5. History has shown us, atleast once (with "Rummy") that a resignation is just the ticket for relieving the heat on the White House and even HELPING their agenda.

    Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 10:41am

    So why were you so convinced that Gonzo would NOT resign during the past few months?

    Posted by Hman23 at 08/27/2007 @ 10:45am

  6. Posted by CONSHAME

    That's what this entire cabal will do once Jr's term is over. They're gonna get out of town, leave their messes for someone else to clean up.

    Posted by mtspence05 at 08/27/2007 @ 10:46am

  7. Posted by JORCHEIM 08/27/2007 @ 10:27am

    I cannot think of a single one.

    Posted by Hman23 at 08/27/2007 @ 10:46am

  8. JORCHEIM, instead of jumping to conclusions, or speaking about things you don't really know about....if you had ASKED, you would have had me or JOHN MAASCH explain to you that Empty (MTPSENCE) was formerly a BANK ROBBER, who blamed the fact that he had to "intimidate harshly" the bank tellers "because the banks made the tellers act stupid in defending the bank".

    Posted by Mary

    If you want to quote me, asswipe, do it correctly. You're a chickenshit, bottom feeder; you have to sink to such tactics to smear those you disagree with. It's pathetic. Intentionally misquoting puts you in the same category as libertyliar, mary.

    Posted by mtspence05 at 08/27/2007 @ 10:50am

  9. This is WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!!

    Posted by conshame at 08/27/2007 @ 10:50am

  10. Posted by HMAN23 08/27/2007 @ 10:45am

    The timing wasn't right ...yet. Remember HMAN, the calls for Gonzales' resignation have been going on since last fall. He ignored them and Bush paid no price in the polls (already in the tank) for that. If he HAD resigned then, the investigations would have still continued, but would have had a less obstructionist AG and the facts would have come out SOONER.

    By delaying, obfuscating, etc. and NOT resigning until now, Gonzales kept things up in the air until the right time. That time being now....look at a few things-

    1. Rove resigned two weeks ago. If Gonzales had resigned earlier, Leahy would have gone after Rove, big time. Now Rove has had a few weeks to shore up his defenses, and will have a few more while the Senate hashes out and ultimately votes on Bush's NEXT Attorney-General (likely a "more moderate", Reagan- or Bush-41-era guy that Leahy will tacitedly support).

    2. Gonzales had outlived his usefulness as point man. More subpeonas were coming and by resigning he takes the edge off the investigations (S'why Mr Nichols is rightfully worried about the Dems dropping the ball). If he had resigned earlier, again the investigation would have turned on Rove. While doing his "I don't recall" number this summer, has gained the White House valuable time to "play out the clock".

    3. Petraeus...yep, Iraq. Almost simultaneously with the arrival of the new Attorney-General will be the Good General's report on how things are "swell, sorta" in Iraq and a big inter-Party fight among the Democrats over supporting a MINOR pull-out plan that John Warner and Harry Reid will hammer out.

    Meanwhile Leahy's investigations get pushed to the back pages of the paper and a minute or two on the networks.

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 10:53am

  11. If you want to quote me, asswipe, do it correctly. ----Posted by MTSPENCE05 08/27/2007 @ 10:50am

    eh, okay---

    BLOG | Posted 07/31/2007 @ 07:21am Comments for "Vitter's Close Call" by David Corn

    And, if you must know, yes, you have to use a certain amount of intimidation while robbing a bank, unfortunately. I tried being a nice guy but all that did was get me jerked around. The banks talk about how the money's not important--blah, blah, blah--but they have the poor tellers do all kinds of stupid things and puts their lives on the line. ----Posted by MTSPENCE05 07/31/2007 @ 11:32am

    Explain the fine distinctions?

    "Empty (MTPSENCE) was formerly a BANK ROBBER, who blamed the fact that he had to "intimidate harshly" the bank tellers "because the banks made the tellers act stupid in defending the bank".

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 10:56am

  12. If I truly have to point out the difference, then you are as lacking as libertyliar, the old fool, rio bozo. You used quotation marks for what you stashed away in your little file; there is no excuse for misquoting me. You chose to attribute words to me that I did not post. You're undeniably without credit; you are a liar, dishonest, incapable of being above board.

    Posted by mtspence05 at 08/27/2007 @ 11:00am

  13. THIS IS A VICTORY. ALBERTO GONZALES IS A DISGRACE, AND A COWARD.

    Alberto Gonzales ran away from his Fuhrer, George Bush. WHILE, George Bush was under fire, in a time of war. What a disloyal, disgraceful coward.

    Alberto Gonzales isn't getting into Valhalla. Alberto Gonzales gets to go home, back to Texas, and torture some animals from the pet store. GEORGE BUSH HAS TO STAY AT THE OFFICE. What disloyalty, what cowardice, what a pathetic display of weakness.

    RUNNING AWAY FROM THE BIG, STRONG, POWERFUL, INTIMIDATING DEMOCRATS!!!!!

    Posted by conshame at 08/27/2007 @ 11:01am

  14. Do not let Mask and MtSpence dampen our CELEBRATION OF THIS VICTORY.

    This is an amazing and wonderful gift. The Bush Administration is FALLING APART. Maybe Karl Rove didnt leave out of strategy. Maybe it was COWARDICE! George Bush doesn't get to leave, he has to stay with the alcoholics at the White House.

    DON'T LET MASK AND MTSPENCE get us down, this is a victory!!!!

    HURRAY for the Big, Strong, Powerful, Intimidating Democrats!!!!

    Chased away the Tough "Terrorist Torturing" Alberto Gonzales!!!! Now Gonzales only gets to torture animals from the pet store. But thats what you get when you CUT AND RUN.

    Posted by conshame at 08/27/2007 @ 11:05am

  15. Come on, Republicans, CUT AND RUN. Come on, Republicans, Come on. Let Bush stay there and deal with it.

    Posted by conshame at 08/27/2007 @ 11:07am

  16. Dems should force WH to nominate Patrick Fitzgerald as the AG nominiee. He's a conservative, but he's also a by-the-books kind of guy. Bush would hate him, but the Dems should filibuster all other nominees until Fitzgerald's nominated.

    Posted by BlueTexan at 08/27/2007 @ 11:09am

  17. BLUETEXAN:

    That is a fantastic idea.

    Posted by jorcheim at 08/27/2007 @ 11:10am

  18. Oh, this one feels good. I'm just gonna enjoy it and not quibble about timing, Chertoff, the rest of the investigation, etc.

    Everyone wonders why the criminals are still in their jobs. Well, Rove and Gonzales are, efffective August 31 and September 17,going to be out of theirs. While still having to pay lawyers during ongoing investigations.

    Going, going, gone.

    On the QT their vote suppression creep, a fellow named Bradley Schlozman, also resigned a week or so ago. They'd used him d to force out the ninth fired US Attoreny in I think Kansas City MO, for not playing dirty election tricks, and to harass the civil servants who were in charge of enforcing civil rights laws.

    So, did connecting the dots to NSA spying do the trick? Making Gonzales have to defend not only onthe firings but also on the Ashcroft hospital trip and the elaborate legalisms about the "two" spying "programs"? Maybe it became Cheney versus Everybody else, and Rove and Gonzales had to go.

    Ah, no spin, no speculation, no wondering. Just enjoy.

    Posted by RLawrence at 08/27/2007 @ 11:11am

  19. MASK!!!!

    I found the difference in the EMPTY quotes..and here it is..

    "I tried being a nice guy but all that did was get me jerked around. "

    How could you have missed it?

    Posted by john maasch at 08/27/2007 @ 11:15am

  20. Posted by MTSPENCE05 08/27/2007 @ 11:00am

    LOL...."If you don't know, I'm not going to tell you!"---Empty SPENCE

    Yeah, hear that one a LOT from you, Empty!

    Anybody can read your blather for themselves and see there IS no difference between what I said and what you tried to rationalize (as you do so often, on your former illustrious career of "subsistance" bank robbing).

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 11:16am

  21. Posted by JOHN MAASCH 08/27/2007 @ 11:15am

    Dang, JOHN....you busted me. I forgot the part where Empty "tried" to be a nice guy, but then...hey, wait a minute....what happens when a bank robber STOPS "trying" to be a nice guy?!?!??

    heheh

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 11:17am

  22. RUNNING AWAY FROM THE BIG, STRONG, POWERFUL, INTIMIDATING DEMOCRATS!!!!!----Posted by CONSHAME 08/27/2007 @ 11:01am

    CS, could you make up your dang mind. Wasn't a few days ago you were COMPLAINING about how the Democrats had rolled over and were giving Bush anything he wants?!?!?

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 11:18am

  23. Posted by BLUETEXAN 08/27/2007 @ 11:09am

    Why would he pick a failure? He goes after a leak, finds it and then puts away ther parking lot attendant.

    Gonzo ?

    And now, idiots like CONSHAMED IN THE FACE AGAIN thinks he has won a victory..

    many more victories like this and the Repubs will hold the WH..

    the entire Leahy and AG firings circus have drawn nothing but yawns form the public as nothing illegal there and from most who are looking for govt to..ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

    Posted by john maasch at 08/27/2007 @ 11:19am

  24. Posted by MASK

    Then why did you not simply repost what I originally posted.

    You have zero credibility, outside of the old fool, libertyliar, rio bozo types. Congratulations on finally showing your true colors. You are a hack and there is no denying it.

    Posted by mtspence05 at 08/27/2007 @ 11:19am

  25. the entire Leahy and AG firings circus have drawn nothing but yawns form the public as nothing illegal there and from most who are looking for govt to..ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

    Posted by JOHN MAASCH

    That's because the average American is as uninformed, ignorant as you are. Be happy, you're in the majority. Congratulations, old man.

    Posted by mtspence05 at 08/27/2007 @ 11:21am

  26. Ah, no spin, no speculation, no wondering. Just enjoy.

    Posted by RLAWRENCE 08/27/2007 @ 11:11am

    I'm with you and CONSHAME on the celebrating, as a time such as this is absolutely deserving. But I can't imagine that this is not without some strategy on the part of the neocons. The King and Queen are the last two pieces left on the board, other than a few pawns. They are backed into a corner, calculating every move. Your move Dems...

    Posted by MATTMAN at 08/27/2007 @ 11:21am

  27. The burning issue for me this morning is this..

    What would EMPTY have become if no one "jerked" him around, as we all know, none of us in life EVER gets jerked around...

    Gotta go plan the weeks travels, profits and a trip to Hong Kong in 3 weeks.

    Posted by john maasch at 08/27/2007 @ 11:22am

  28. "That's because the average American is as uninformed, ignorant as you are. Be happy, you're in the majority. Congratulations, old man.

    Posted by MTSPENCE05 08/27/2007 @ 11:21am

    Actualy, I am not surprised that you buy this, however, the majority of Americans thinkers are informed and realize the unimportance this non issue is for them, so they continue to make the country work, as I do...they are too busy.

    I think the fries may be up...don't burn them...

    Posted by john maasch at 08/27/2007 @ 11:25am

  29. "Your move Dems...

    Posted by MATTMAN 08/27/2007 @ 11:21am "

    They checkmated themselves when they "swept"(heheh) the House in 06 and have struggled to inspire the nation, and we hear the ZZZZs...or at best have been stalemated again and think they are on the move...someone had better inform them they are playing chess...not checkers..it seems to them the board looks the same, so....

    Posted by john maasch at 08/27/2007 @ 11:29am

  30. Actualy, I am not surprised that you buy this, however, the majority of Americans thinkers are informed and realize the unimportance this non issue is for them, so they continue to make the country work, as I do...they are too busy.

    I think the fries may be up...don't burn them...

    Posted by JOHN MAASCH

    Too bad you were not so civicly responsible when you had your opportunity to serve the nation at a time of war, old man.

    Posted by mtspence05 at 08/27/2007 @ 11:30am

  31. I'm wondering if John Maasch is going to make a stopoff in Thailand to pick up some young teenage hookers like Neil Bush... or maybe some little boys? That would indeed explain his penchant for the far east.

    Posted by Warriorpoet at 08/27/2007 @ 11:31am

  32. NICHOLS: The investigation into those machinations has hit the administration hard....

    This is a joke, right, Mr. NICHOLS?

    Just how hard can it be? When the investigators are rising ever farther toward heretofore unseen height as an INeffective body?

    Posted by Happy at 08/27/2007 @ 11:41am

  33. Posted by JOHN MAASCH 08/27/2007 @ 11:29am

    I understand that you're conservative, but let's not get silly here. You'd have to be delusional to think that Bush et al has any offensive potency left. They can only wait out the clock and play damage control on all fronts to avoid further embarassment and shame.

    Posted by MATTMAN at 08/27/2007 @ 11:44am

  34. "Too bad you were not so civicly responsible when you had your opportunity to serve the nation at a time of war, old man.

    Posted by MTSPENCE05 08/27/2007 @ 11:30am

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzz..your usual tripe.

    Posted by john maasch at 08/27/2007 @ 11:49am

  35. MTSPENCE05:

    Nah, Pimple Maascher was too busy probably war-profiteering or something super-patriotic like that.

    Posted by Warriorpoet at 08/27/2007 @ 11:56am

  36. I'm wondering if John Maasch is going to make a stopoff in Thailand to pick up some young teenage hookers like Neil Bush... or maybe some little boys? That would indeed explain his penchant for the far east.

    Posted by WARRIORPOET 08/27/2007 @ 11:31am

    The intelligence here is overwhelming...

    ..can you find Thailand on the map?

    How do you know they have little boys for guys like you?

    And your handle is Warrior poet?

    How about..SMALLTOWNDOLT?

    Seems more fitting for you...see, I am making nice, typing slow for you..and in English.

    a little advice...

    read some of the posts here before opening the diseased hole you call a mouth...most here are intelligent even if disagreements are deep cored...you have already placed yourself in line for the trash bin with posts you consider whitty and a personal slam, instead you have Id ed yourself as an uneducated idiot who has another purposeless afternoon on his hands waiting for the shift change at Arbys.. on your first try..

    EMPTY can give you advice on the french frier..I think you need it.

    Posted by john maasch at 08/27/2007 @ 11:57am

  37. Oh come on Maaschie-boy... You know all about Thailand. Bangkok, you know?

    So how many sweatshops do you plan to open this trip?

    Methinks he doth protest too much.

    Did I hit a little too close to home for you?

    Posted by Warriorpoet at 08/27/2007 @ 12:02pm

  38. Posted by MTSPENCE05 08/27/2007 @ 11:19am

    Again, what's the difference?...nothing.

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 12:02pm

  39. The dems would be foolish to let up now. ---Posted by FRANKGRITS 08/27/2007 @ 11:38am

    Good thing they haven't been THAT way before, huh?

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 12:03pm

  40. I'm wondering if John Maasch is going to make a stopoff in Thailand to pick up some young teenage hookers like Neil Bush... or maybe some little boys? That would indeed explain his penchant for the far east.

    Posted by WARRIORPOET 08/27/2007 @ 11:31am

    warrior--yes

    poet--???

    Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 12:06pm

  41. MATTMAN,

    I have been fed up with Bush for years as he is no conservative and has no chance of becoming one..he is a lame duck and the people in any administration start heading for the hills near the end of any 2nd term...especially when the opposition party is grasping at any head line of anything negative, viable or not, in order to gain political power.

    The Dems are in no better shape than the Administration and I expect more departures as the end of term nears..

    After all, no matter which party you are in, who needs this head ache when the job is already ending...and again, anyone in govt positions at this juncture, from both parties, can be expected to incurred legal fees...even if nothing is there..

    I would never get involved in govt..no one is ever satisfied and half the other politicians will spend years trying to prove you some sort of criminal just for believing something different or having a different philosophical view.

    You have to waste time defending ourself against clowns like WARRIORPOET and EMPTY HEAD that puke forth constant sewage and trying to pass it off as serious positions.

    Posted by john maasch at 08/27/2007 @ 12:08pm

  42. Posted by WARRIORPOET 08/27/2007 @ 12:02pm

    I do like Bangkok, however, I don't do business there..many of those sweatshops are out of business in my industry 20 years ago before I even enter the field..real modern factorys have opened up and produce high quality products..we have very good friends here from Thailand and we are going back there with them next yesr..my children and their children attend school together...and these peole would be greatly offended by your tastless posts and ashamed for you as you ignorace shines through for all to see..you have lost so much face so fast it is startling.

    It goes without saying, from your posts I don't think you would be able to appreciate, understand, nor afford what they produce. If all you associate Thailand with is brothels and slums, then I think it may be you that has some issues that need attention..professionaly.

    Fries are up...

    Posted by john maasch at 08/27/2007 @ 12:15pm

  43. When the investigators are rising ever farther toward heretofore unseen height as an INeffective body?

    Plasted by HARPY 08/27/2007 @ 11:41am

    perHAPS you will live to regret these words if a congress rendered powerless by the precedents set by mr bush's "actions" has to investigate a corrupt administration "from the other side".

    i can see the headlines now:

    NEW YORK TIMES, February 31, 2011:

    "CONGRESS SUBPOENA INEFFECTUAL IN BONG-O-GATE."

    WASHINGTON POST, June 20, 2011:

    "PRESIDENT KUCINICH LAUGHS AT CONGRESS (AND EATS LOTS OF CHIPS TOO)"

    Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 12:16pm

  44. the entire Leahy and AG firings circus have drawn nothing but yawns form the public as nothing illegal there and from most who are looking for govt

    the reason the public might be yawning is because they prefer mindless entertainment to serious political events. you have already demonstrated your ignorance of the event, and it's not at all surprising to hear you make the above remarks.

    for starters, this isn't a matter of legality or illegality! man, just the fact that you don't comprehend that basic fact is really telling....and there isn't much need for me to go further, but i will....

    second, the government oversight committee's responsibility is to keep an eye on egregious abuse of the law.....of executive privilege; to keep an eye on incompetence, misuse of funds, resources, etc;

    there are so many areas upon which the committees need to keep an eye, esp a large department, like the DOJ.

    it's abundantly clear that gonzalez was an inexperienced, incompetent, partisan political hack, with a far right wing agenda. he's a bush loyalist, just like rove. these guys need oversight.....

    Posted by darladoon at 08/27/2007 @ 12:16pm

  45. Gonzo is guilty of perjuring himself under oath before congress at least three times. Just because he quit doesn't give him a get out of jail free card. ----Posted by FRANKGRITS 08/27/2007 @ 12:12pm

    Hmmm? "perjury"?..."quit"?..."get out of jail free card"?

    Puts one of a mind of a word....."scooter"

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 12:17pm

  46. if it was a democratic prez, whose AG behaved like this, then there would be a serious witch burning, you can bet that......what's his name, gingrich, would be ALL OVER the media, along with bill bennet, bemoaning 'liberal' values.......

    Posted by darladoon at 08/27/2007 @ 12:19pm

  47. mask, he most certainly perjured himself, at least 3 times. there is simply no question about it.

    Posted by darladoon at 08/27/2007 @ 12:20pm

  48. Posted by DARLADOON 08/27/2007 @ 12:19pm

    Reno? She got away scott free...

    Have another toke just to clear your head.

    Posted by john maasch at 08/27/2007 @ 12:20pm

  49. the entire Leahy and AG firings circus have drawn nothing but...

    Posted by JOHN MAASCH 08/27/2007 @ 11:19am | ignore this person

    THE RESIGNATIONS OF DISGRACEFUL, DISLOYAL, COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!

    Posted by conshame at 08/27/2007 @ 12:20pm

  50. I share the concerns of decent Americans, about what the Bush Administration's RETREAT STRATEGY is. Apparently it involves every man for himself abandoning his post in a time of war when the Commander in Chief is Under Attack by Big Strong Intimidating Powerful DEMOCRATS!!!!

    MORE COWARDS, RUN, RUN!!!! Let the Commander in Chief defend his position all by himself. Get out while you can!!!!

    Maasch said the Gonzales investigations didnt yield anything!!!! Spin defeat and devise your retreat strategy, Republicans!!!!!

    Posted by conshame at 08/27/2007 @ 12:25pm

  51. Maaschie-Pooh needs to lighten up. I definitely struck a nerve there. Are you using your friends there as your connection to the underground sex trade? I'm curious. How many prostitutes have you manage to procure over there?

    I just find it ever so ironic that you get overwhelmingly offended when I poke at you, but you have no problem taking similar shots at people on the left here.

    The smell of hypocrisy if RIPE in here. You might want to consider a bath, because you smell like a cheap Asian whore.

    Posted by Warriorpoet at 08/27/2007 @ 12:26pm

  52. Reno? She got away scott free...

    Have another toke just to clear your head

    oh brother, again, ignorance abundantly clear.

    not a matter of legality or illegality, john, matter of oversight. plain and simple.

    if you don't wanna watch c-span, be my guest.

    otherwise, get a life.

    Posted by darladoon at 08/27/2007 @ 12:26pm

  53. "The USS William Jefferson Clinton (CVS1) set sail today from its home port of Vancouver, BC"

    hey rio, that's funny :|

    still don't agree with anything you say ('cept that line about "the news")

    Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 12:26pm

  54. Karl Rove: GOOD BOY!! KARL GETS TO GO HOME!!!

    Alberto Gonzales: GOOD BOY!! ALBERTO GETS TO GO HOME!!!

    Bush has to stay at the office. His frieds get to to home and torture ants at the ranch. The Bush Administration is falling apart.

    MORE REPUBLICANS!!!! RESIGN!!!! RUN!!!! ABANDON YOUR POSTS WHILE YOU CAN!!! BE A COWARD, BE SMART, REPUBLICANS.

    Posted by conshame at 08/27/2007 @ 12:27pm

  55. Gonzales, what a COWARD!!!

    CUT AND RUN!!!!

    Posted by conshame at 08/27/2007 @ 12:28pm

  56. what's really a circus, john, are not oversight commitees, they are overweight, car-dependent, suburbanites who produce and consume our mainstream media.

    Posted by darladoon at 08/27/2007 @ 12:28pm

  57. Ah yes, Nixon bending over backwards for the dems comes to mind...

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/27/2007 @ 12:29pm

  58. you can make fun of my pot-smoking all you want, but all i gotta say is, this country would be FAR more interesting if more americans smoked weed once in awhile.

    would you rather have them watch football and drink beer?

    we get people like bush in office with alcoholic football fans in our voting pool.

    Posted by darladoon at 08/27/2007 @ 12:30pm

  59. Posted by DARLADOON 08/27/2007 @ 12:20pm |

    DD, wasn't doubting that. Was pointing out to FRANK, the LAST Administration official who committed perjury...and how he DID "get a get out of jail free card"!

    "Plame-gate" fizzled after Libby was convicted...and then Libby received a commutation (not a pardon, but a commutation which allows him to invoke the 5th before Congress....hint, hint, Alberto!)

    Why should "Attorney-gate" be any different?

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 12:31pm

  60. I look forward to hsuB/cHeney handing over the keys to everything eventually.

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/27/2007 @ 12:31pm

  61. Bush: Please Gonzales, we got to fight them here so that we don't have to fight them at the Hague.

    Gonzales: Fucck No. I'm outta here. Gimme my money. You deal with those scary, intimidating Democrats yourself.

    GONZALES IS NOT GETTING INTO VALHALLA. Gonzales is going to that point in space which is furthest from Valhalla.

    What a disgrace, Gonzales is.

    Posted by conshame at 08/27/2007 @ 12:31pm

  62. Fries are up...

    Posted by JOHN MAASCH 08/27/2007 @ 12:15pm

    John, it takes a lot of "huevos" (look it up) to be so gracious to someone so insulting. good for you.

    now, if you'd only cancel that NRA membership.............. ;+}

    Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 12:32pm

  63. cHeney's next, then hsuB desides to resign as impeachment comes up more and more.

    Hey Frita what's the countdown?

    er, leave out the straw dildos.

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/27/2007 @ 12:33pm

  64. Why should "Attorney-gate" be any different?

    Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 12:31pm

    Mask, Attorney-gate, among other things, led to Gonzales resiging. Hard to say it "fizzled"

    Posted by Hman23 at 08/27/2007 @ 12:34pm

  65. Nichols makes me puke just about every time I read his left-wing spin posing as fact. The White House has upheld the constitution, not subverted it. No matter how many times you make false accusations, it doesn't make it true.

    Posted by DJ in AZ at 08/27/2007 @ 12:34pm

  66. The Justice Department wants to be set free today! Gonzales has merely announced his resignation. His last day at the office will be yet another occasion to celebrate the DEFEAT of the Bush Administration - by no less formiddable an opponent than the Herculean Democrats.

    Posted by conshame at 08/27/2007 @ 12:34pm

  67. hsuB will be asking dems, "jump, sure, how far?"

    cHeney will resign next. cHeney can't do the hard stuff.

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/27/2007 @ 12:37pm

  68. The White House has upheld the constitution, not subverted it

    yes, of course. i can't think of a more law-abiding, transparent adminsistration in my lifetime. these guys are incredible. i will go masturbate while thinking of them....

    oh, btw: bush admitted to breaking the law, for the previous 4 years, while in buffalo, december 2005.

    Posted by darladoon at 08/27/2007 @ 12:38pm

  69. Can you imagine, here's a guy who owes everything he ever was to the Bush Family name. Alberto Gonzales - pretends to be loyal, gets his foot in the Bush Family door...

    Then... at the critcial moment... it's time to cash in on all that feigned loyalty. That pretend loyalty that he spent all that time cultivating...

    YANK! Yanks the rug right out from under his master. All that time feeding from the Bush hand, didn't teach him any loyalty whatsoever, when it came right down to it.

    GONZALES is a study in Cowardice, rises to fame on the coat tails of an idiot, George Bush, representing the Bush dynstasty.

    WHAT A TRAITOR. What a coward. What a disgrace!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Posted by conshame at 08/27/2007 @ 12:38pm

  70. Posted by HMAN23 08/27/2007 @ 12:34pm

    "Fizzled" in the sense of prosecutions. You CAN claim that "Plame-gate" led to Libby's resignation and conviction....but nothing else.

    Gonzales COULD face perjury charges....but any prosecutor has to be thinking "Even if I get this guy, Bush will pardon him or commute his sentence...what's the point?"

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 12:39pm

  71. No matter how many times you deny wrong doing, it doesn't make it true.

    Posted by DJ IN AZ 08/27/2007 @ 12:34pm

    Posted by Hman23 at 08/27/2007 @ 12:39pm

  72. Posted by HSUBFOOLS 08/27/2007 @ 12:33pm

    See, all you guys just need to relax. According to HSUB...

    Nancy Pelosi will be President by Christmas!

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 12:40pm

  73. Fizzled" in the sense of prosecutions.

    Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 12:39pm

    Oh, sure, prosecutions, but I don't set the bar THAT high. The way I see it, the Veep's Chief is out; Rove is out; Gonzo is out. Sure, looking back, it could have been more, but I'll take what I can get!

    Posted by Hman23 at 08/27/2007 @ 12:41pm

  74. Posted by DJ IN AZ 08/27/2007 @ 12:34pm

    And why do you believe the White House and not Mr Nichols?

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 12:41pm

  75. GONZALES is a study in Cowardice, rises to fame on the coat tails of an idiot, George Bush, representing the Bush dynstasty

    truer words have not been spoken. neoconservatives cannot, and will not, live up to their principles. ever. they are all scum, every last one of them. they never mean what they say, they never say what they mean.

    democrats, while not my favorite either, are at least timid enough, and reflexive enough, to attempt to use reason in dealing with reality. gonzalez, bush, cheney, et al, are living in some sort of permanent fantasy world.....

    Posted by darladoon at 08/27/2007 @ 12:42pm

  76. Alberto Gonzales, you are charged with:

    Cowardice and Disloyalty to the Commander in Chief During a Time of War.

    The verdict is... The verdict is... The verdict is....

    GUILTY

    Your sentence is to be arrested, taken and locked up naked and held in a stress position in the basement of the White House.

    Posted by conshame at 08/27/2007 @ 12:43pm

  77. Posted by HMAN23 08/27/2007 @ 12:41pm

    Sorry, my bar a bit higher for substance.

    Truth is, historically, the Bush Admin has held its guys better than most Admins in the last real year of their Presidency. From Carter to Clinton, most high-ups have "moved on" and "wanted to spend more time with their families" by now.

    Libby, Rove, and Gonzales gone...not a biggie, even if "under a cloud". Send some guys to jail and KEEP them there...then you're talking some points scored on the tote-board!

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 12:44pm

  78. .but any prosecutor has to be thinking "Even if I get this guy, Bush will pardon him or commute his sentence...what's the point?"

    it's a matter of historical record, historical significance, to actually put someone on trial. and possibly convice them. like libby.

    remember, even if gonzo isn't convicted, there is evidence that he did perjur. that basically tells the historians, this guy was a liar, and not a good AG.

    Posted by darladoon at 08/27/2007 @ 12:44pm

  79. Posted by DARLADOON 08/27/2007 @ 12:19pm Hey Frosty,

    I may be the only guy from Minnesota who doesn;t hunt or own a gun..and I love the remark n\by Grouch..."I would never join a club that would have me as a member"..or something like that..I love it..

    as far as WARRIORPOET....I am left with an immage of a guy all dressed up like the warriors in the movie "300"..defending his positions at home with combination of WORDSWORTH, KEATS AND DR SUESS being shouted at the top of his lungs,in a challengiing voice, of course, as the bullets, spears and swords clash all around his collapsing position.

    I like "Rancheros Huevos" at my favorite breakfast spot in Denver.

    Posted by john maasch at 08/27/2007 @ 12:44pm

  80. Posted by CONSHAME 08/27/2007 @ 12:43pm

    Okay, seriously now...

    RESE and PLUNGER are clinical paranoids. RIO and DZ IN AZ need anger management classes. HSUB will need Prozac come 2008 and Empty SPENCE needs some Ritalin...but...

    CS is just plain nuts!

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 12:46pm

  81. ".. these guys are incredible. i will go masturbate while thinking of them....

    Posted by DARLADOON 08/27/2007 @ 12:38pm

    There goes lunch...

    Posted by john maasch at 08/27/2007 @ 12:46pm

  82. Libby, Rove, and Gonzales gone...not a biggie, even if "under a cloud"

    and this is the pathetic standard to which our government, our society, aspires. "well, we know he lied, we know he abused his power, but oh well......it's government"

    bullshit! the bush admin has sunk to the lowest level in our lifetimes.

    Posted by darladoon at 08/27/2007 @ 12:46pm

  83. and john,

    these guys are indefensible.

    Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 12:46pm

  84. Posted by DARLADOON 08/27/2007 @ 12:44pm

    DD, true, but Bush and Co. have ALREADY LOST the "History Trial".

    This Presidency has overseen the WORST war since Vietnam, the costliest war EVER, and created a debt that made Reagan and the Dem Congress of the 80s look like pikers. Throw in Katrina, etc. and you've got THE worst Presidency atleast back to Warren Harding, if not of all time.

    Alberto Gonzales and Scooter Libby will be footnotes!

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 12:48pm

  85. mask, if you actually believe that, then you should really, really support the continuing investation into the white house's top level staffers, all the way up to the prez. if they have done as much damage as you say, should they not get prison time?

    Posted by darladoon at 08/27/2007 @ 12:51pm

  86. Posted by FRANKGRITS 08/27/2007 @ 12:48pm

    I used to recommend the same to you..but many things can not be changed...like pertified wood can never be used as lumber...and Frank, well...

    Posted by john maasch at 08/27/2007 @ 12:52pm

  87. Posted by DARLADOON 08/27/2007 @ 12:51pm

    DD, I support it....it just isn't going to matter.

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 12:52pm

  88. BTW, speaking of RESE....check out his source for a C&P on Michael Chertoff....

    "Respected columnist Robert Novak reported in a January 2005 column....."-----Posted by RESE 08/27/2007 @ 12:44pm

    ROFLMAO!

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 12:57pm

  89. Posted by HSUBFOOLS 08/27/2007 @ 12:33pm

    See, all you guys just need to relax. According to HSUB...

    Nancy Pelosi will be President by Christmas!

    Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 12:40pm

    At least she didn't manufacture straw quote signs on her straw dildo...

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/27/2007 @ 12:59pm

  90. DD, I support it....it just isn't going to matter

    isn't going to matter?! what you mean is "nobody goes to prison".

    again, pathetically low ethical standard.

    if it doesn't matter, mask, then why does the united states have the WORST reputation of any industrialized nation? would it be......endorsement of torture? spying? what?

    we are no better than our "enemies" (iran, russia). that's a pretty low standard.

    Posted by darladoon at 08/27/2007 @ 1:01pm

  91. Frito out of the way allows for a lot more justice to happen. One could say he was himself a major obstruction to justice.

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/27/2007 @ 1:04pm

  92. Frita's a slithering shill for the hsuB/cHeney admin; dressed from head to toe in straw dildos.

    Quite a sight to behold.

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/27/2007 @ 1:09pm

  93. mask: "nothing matters"

    maasch: "this is a circus"

    rio/liberty/usc: "gonzalez was a good christian man"

    welcome to america!

    Posted by darladoon at 08/27/2007 @ 1:10pm

  94. It takes all kinds to form a vilage

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/27/2007 @ 1:11pm

  95. Gotta have a few village idiots...

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/27/2007 @ 1:12pm

  96. Er, speaking of Frito and hsuB...

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/27/2007 @ 1:14pm

  97. Has hsuB given Frito and medal yet?

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/27/2007 @ 1:15pm

  98. Posted by DARLADOON 08/27/2007 @ 1:01pm

    Sorry, DD....you want blind optimism or a realistic assessment of the situation. If the latter, that's what I'm giving you. Gonzales will "walk" in the sense of doing no time in jail or fines. Maybe disbarrment, but Clinton was disbarred and hasn't hurt him, has it?

    If you want the former...talk to HSUBFOOLS. Your Nancy Pelosi will be President by Christmas according to HIS version of reality!

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 1:16pm

  99. Truth is, historically, the Bush Admin has held its guys better than most Admins in the last real year of their Presidency.

    Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 12:44pm

    What are the comparables from recent administrations? even if "under a cloud"?

    Posted by Hman23 at 08/27/2007 @ 1:16pm

  100. See, DD, Mask will not be impressed with anything less than someone being sentenced to fifteen years hard time at Leavenworth.

    Posted by Hman23 at 08/27/2007 @ 1:18pm

  101. everything else is a "victory" for Team Bush!!

    Posted by Hman23 at 08/27/2007 @ 1:19pm

  102. talk about blind optimism!

    Posted by Hman23 at 08/27/2007 @ 1:19pm

  103. Posted by JOHN MAASCH 08/27/2007 @ 12:44pm

    whoa, careful now. WORDSWORTH, KEATS sure but leave mr. geisel (PBUH) out of it.

    DR SUESS:

    advice for gonzales [orpheus.ucsd.edu]

    the way things are [thetalentshow.org]

    Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 1:25pm

  104. The White House has not subverted the Constitution. It has upheld the constitution. And as you all know, there are separation of powers between the branches of government, and checks and balances between the branches as well. Congress has, in my view, way overstepped their boundries in calling for hearing after hearing for political theater, doing nothing more than harassing the executive office and its officials. The White House is trying to do the job of running the country and keeping us safe, while Congress demands all kinds of information that really has nothing to do with anything. The White House invokes executive privilege, according to the separation of powers granted unto it, and Congress (and this hack-job author Nichols) comes up with "They must be hiding something!" What an absolute piece of crock! I am so sick of the left doing this! Can't they do something more productive for the American people? Why do they have to drag their feet on EVERY SINGLE THING the President proposes? Why can't they support the troop? (Don't tell me they do - they don't. Period.) If they are so concerned about the political atmosphere in Iraq, why can't they do something constructive to help that part of the process, instead of constantly complaining about it? Why don't the do something! ANYTHING! beside just constantly badgering the President and the White House? I am so sick of them! How I wish there were impeachment hearings on the majority of Democrat members of Congress, namely Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, Murtha, Feingold...did I miss someone? Fill in the blank of your favorite left-wing liberal fringe kook who takes their marching orders from the Daily Kos crowd!

    Posted by DJ in AZ at 08/27/2007 @ 1:26pm

  105. Explain the fine distinctions?

    Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 10:56am | ignore this person

    Poor Mask, still befuddled by the use of quotes.

    The distinction is simple Mask...

    ...when you copy some else's words, and place "" (quotes) around them, you are 'quoting them'...

    ...but When you make up words of your own, and place "" (quotes) around them...

    ...you are lying!

    Posted by Lillian at 08/27/2007 @ 1:31pm

  106. Posted by FRANKGRITS 08/27/2007 @ 12:48pm

    hey frank (from the other day)

    yeah, i was having a bad night. i read that story of more senseless deaths (folks from hawaii) and fell into a news-induced abyss.

    i regret have wished damnation upon these people.

    one of the most beautiful things about this christian society that surrounds me is the quality of redemption.

    that is why the death sentence abhors me so. if a convicted murderer can use his/her time in jail to ponder the inhumanity of their actions, it gives them the opportunity to look for ways to redeem themselves (albeit insufficiently) and even offer something valuable to our society.

    not hell, but jail.

    Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 1:35pm

  107. Mask is okay, I changed my mind about him. He has distanced himself from George Bush and the war in Iraq, and he is against a war with Iran. That's good enough for me.

    But you got to wonder why anyone would be upset, when all I am doing is CONEMNING ONE OF THE WORST COWARDS IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

    Alberto Gonzales took advantage of a poor idiot, representing the Bush dynasty, pretended to be loyal for year after year. Alberto Gonzales was nothing without that man George Bush. After pretending to be loyal - him and that other traitor, Karl Rove, SOLD OUT AND ABAONDONED HIS MASTER - the Commander in Chief. Abandoned his post during a time of war when his fuhrer was under attack by Democrats.

    Why would anyone object to CONDEMNING SUCH A COWARD???

    Posted by conshame at 08/27/2007 @ 1:37pm

  108. I mean, Gonzales styled himself like some big tough guy, big torturer, big tough chief law enforcement "officer". Do you want a policeman responding to a 911 call who is as cowardly as the chief law officer?

    Posted by conshame at 08/27/2007 @ 1:39pm

  109. ROFLMAO!

    Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 12:57pm

    taketh not the chairman's [urbandictionary.com] name in vain!

    Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 1:40pm

  110. Any Gonzales defender, in fact my question is to you,

    Do you want Cops in your city, who are as COWARDLY as the so-called Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the USA!!!! Alberto Gonzales?

    Posted by conshame at 08/27/2007 @ 1:41pm

  111. Again, what's the difference?...nothing.

    Posted by MASK

    Then why did you not simply repost my exact words? Zero credibility, just like this administration.

    Posted by mtspence05 at 08/27/2007 @ 1:41pm

  112. if it doesn't matter, mask, then why does the united states have the WORST reputation of any industrialized nation? would it be......endorsement of torture? spying? what?

    we are no better than our "enemies" (iran, russia). that's a pretty low standard.

    Posted by DARLADOON

    And he laments my lack of respect for the "rule of law."

    Posted by mtspence05 at 08/27/2007 @ 1:43pm

  113. welcome to america!

    Posted by DARLADOON 08/27/2007 @ 1:10pm

    actually it's:

    America to the Welcome! (enunciated in the manner of "america to the rescue")

    could become a new neocon slogan....................

    Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 1:45pm

  114. If you want the former...talk to HSUBFOOLS. Your Nancy Pelosi will be President by Christmas according to HIS version of reality!

    Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 1:16pm

    Frita is lyin' and dyin' ridin fast and loose on her thousand straw dildos.

    I said hsuB would get somebody for cHeney before he himself is brought up for impeachment and/or then resigns. However the evidence on cHeney will implicate hsuB so both going at the same time is possible just not probable.

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/27/2007 @ 1:46pm

  115. Fill in the blank of your favorite left-wing liberal fringe kook who takes their marching orders from the Daily Kos crowd!

    Posted by DJ IN AZ 08/27/2007 @ 1:26pm

    HEIL!

    Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 1:48pm

  116. mr. gonzales has left the administration to write (actually ghost written by mr. rove) his memoirs:

    it will be entitled:

    "I DON'T RECALL"

    with the subtitle:

    "Pleasuring the President"

    to subpoena your copy call 1-800-SQUIR-MEE or log on to:

    i'mnotatlibertytosay.bs

    Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 1:54pm

  117. boy, that "dj in az" is pretty much what you find in arizona

    is there an expression "dumb as dirt"?

    i dunno.....

    Posted by darladoon at 08/27/2007 @ 1:59pm

  118. Hey Mr. DJ in AZ-

    You made my day. The only thing better than witnessing the disgrace of a Bush crony is hearing the whiney blind loyalist crying in public. Thanks again. How's that "dubya" sticker looking now?

    Posted by phillymark at 08/27/2007 @ 1:59pm

  119. boy, that "dj in az" is pretty much what you find in arizona

    Posted by DARLADOON 08/27/2007 @ 1:59pm

    actually, one would do better looking for this [tinyurl.com] in arizona

    Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 2:04pm

  120. been there, done that frosty....

    also grow my own cactus.....

    Posted by darladoon at 08/27/2007 @ 2:07pm

  121. Posted by DARLADOON 08/27/2007 @ 2:07pm

    lucky you

    ¿Lophophora williamsii? :}

    Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 2:10pm

  122. Maybe someone should also take a good, long, hard look at the process that chose a man like Bush to be a candidate in the first place.

    Posted by hlsim at 08/27/2007 @ 2:12pm

  123. frosty,

    Trichocereus pachanoi

    yes, that's the one that castaneda used to eat

    Posted by darladoon at 08/27/2007 @ 2:16pm

  124. I would never get involved in govt..no one is ever satisfied and half the other politicians will spend years trying to prove you some sort of criminal just for believing something different or having a different philosophical view.

    Posted by JOHN MAASCH 08/27/2007 @ 12:08pm

    Explain again how Bush is not a real conservative. Funny how in 04 and in 2000 he was 'the conservative'. Every conservative from every conservative faction in America backed him as the chosen one, because he takes conservative stands on every issue. He's a conservative, just like you which is why you run to him and his thugs' defense whenever anyone calls them out on their unethical, anti-American practices.

    It doesn't take a partisan lefty to understand the calls for accountablility to the Bush people. This is not about some ideological clash, this is about abuse of power and accountablility...period. That's how the 'real'conservatives with the self-respect to do the right thing see it who are coming to grips with reality in greater numbers with each passing week.

    Posted by MATTMAN at 08/27/2007 @ 2:22pm

  125. In my humble opinion, being "dumb as dirt" in AZ (or anywhere) is a much prefered way of life than knowing so much that just isn't true. When your "incontrovertable" opinions about how this White House administration has "subverted the constitution" bump up against the reality of what it has done, you'll see that you've only been fooling yourself.

    Posted by DJ in AZ at 08/27/2007 @ 2:23pm

  126. Posted by DARLADOON 08/27/2007 @ 2:16pm

    cool, think i've got one of those. didn't know what it's name was. well, i'll just leave it alone (just in case i'm wrong).

    have you ever tried noplaes [en.wikipedia.org]?

    yum (and great for lowering blood sugar)

    i must have tried about 15 diffenent "opuntia" fruits when i live south of the rio bravo (rio grande in gringospeak)

    alas, we should probably retrurn the discussion to "thornier" issues--you know the ones dealing with "pricks" ;+}

    Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 2:26pm

  127. Posted by MATTMAN 08/27/2007 @ 2:22pm

    well i'm not a political scientist (is this an oxymoron?), but i do know what "conserve" means.

    plunging your country into insurmountable debt with a planless plan of big government spending (albeit to the benefit of very few) strikes me as not being very "conserv"ative.

    perhaps a better term for mr. bush et al. would be "spendblindlyative".

    Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 2:31pm

  128. "nopales"

    "lived"

    ouch

    Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 2:32pm

  129. When your "incontrovertable" opinions about how this White House administration has "subverted the constitution" bump up against the reality of what it has done, you'll see that you've only been fooling yourself

    so, nothing unusual at all in the white house's behavior these last 6 years?

    i think the heat has gotten to you, dj, unless of course you're indigenous to the region (which i highly doubt).

    Posted by darladoon at 08/27/2007 @ 2:38pm

  130. perhaps a better term for mr. bush et al. would be "spendblindlyative".

    Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 08/27/2007 @ 2:31pm

    You're technically correct here, that would be a much more precise definition. But being a conservative means little to nothing about conserving money, let alone resources. Spend all the taxpayer money you want on wars, consume more oil... why be conservative there? Where's the PROFIT in that? Being a conservative means putting profits as the number one priority, followed by mindless submission to Christ.

    Posted by MATTMAN at 08/27/2007 @ 2:43pm

  131. Posted by LILLIAN 08/27/2007 @ 1:31pm |

    oooohh, I LOVE being lectured on "quoting" from LILLIAN--

    BLOG | Posted 12/08/2006 @ 12:01am Only a Rainbow Will Win--Katrina vanden Heuvel

    Can you produce a specific post where John says "I have lots of money, ergo I alone know how money works"?----Posted by THRAWN 12/08/2006 @ 01:17am

    "Not those words exactly Thrawn. More a combination of many posts over the year or so I've been around here."---Posted by LILLIAN 12/08/2006 @ 10:39am

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 2:44pm

  132. Posted by HMAN23 08/27/2007 @ 1:16pm

    Edwin Meese?....Edward Levi?

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 2:47pm

  133. Posted by DARLADOON 08/27/2007 @ 2:38pm

    Hey good for you for smoking pot and admitting it. I smoke it too and agree that the world would be a better place if more people did it and there was less of a knee jerk stigma associated with it. Most of these assholes who look down their noses at someone who would admit to smoking pot usually drink, gamble, snort coke, pay for sex and/or cheat on their spouses, or abuse prescription pain meds. Pot is the least harmful drug. Mindless rhetoric and politics are the only things keeping it illegal.

    Posted by MATTMAN at 08/27/2007 @ 2:47pm

  134. Posted by DJ IN AZ 08/27/2007 @ 2:23pm

    Curious, DJ.....why do YOU think Gonzales resigned, if he's innocent?

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 2:48pm

  135. Posted by FRANKGRITS 08/27/2007 @ 2:45pm

    actually it's mr cheney who chose to surround mr. bush with incompetents--that way his "co-workers" will think his plans are "for the good of the people"

    Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 2:50pm

  136. Frita, how to use quotes:

    "Williams says the word of his resignation has caught the Justice Department entirely off guard. As for the rumor that Michael Chertoff would replace him, a senior Homeland official tells Williams that Chertoff has many things he'd like to accomplish at Homeland. The official knows of no plans for Chertoff -- who is in town today -- to make any change."

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/08/27/333807.aspx

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/27/2007 @ 3:12pm

  137. DJINAZ Congress has, in my view, way overstepped their boundries in calling for hearing after hearing for political theater, doing nothing more than harassing the executive office and its officials. The White House is trying to do the job of running the country and keeping us safe, while Congress demands all kinds of information that really has nothing to do with anything. The White House invokes executive privilege, according to the separation of powers granted unto it

    What a substanceless rant. Congress has legitimate oversight over the actions of the members of the Cabinet (incl. Gonzalez). Given that 8 USAttys arguably got fired for not engaging in politically motivated prosecutions or because the people they prosecuted happened to be Republican politicians, Congress had sufficient grounds to investigate. The oversight is a legitimate part of its power of the purse. Their probably wouldn't be a need for "hearing after hearing" if the White House didn't alternately stonewall and prevaricate.

    Posted by brunowe at 08/27/2007 @ 3:14pm

  138. Why won't you HELP them, HSUB?....why, oh why?

    Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 12:26pm | ignore this person

    Whata cacophony of Frita straw dildos sound like.

    Posted by HSUBFOOLS 08/27/2007 @ 2:51pm

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/27/2007 @ 3:16pm

  139. Late this Monday morning the American people were devastated by the announcement of from the office of Attorney General. Tired of being the Capitol Hill pinata, Bush's Fredo left tail-between-legs after multiple hit attempts by congress. Not that Gonzales will be any safer from subpoenas in his personal version of the witness protection program. After months of not recalling essential information about suspicious U.S. Attorney firings, strong arming a drugged up John Ashcroft in a hospital room over illegal wiretapping procedures, and and the illegal wiretapping program itself, Gonzales has decided that his selective amnesia has become a "harmful distraction at the Department of Justice." Gonzales joins Deputy Chief of Staff and top Bush adviser Karl Rove, as well as key republicans in congress to hang 'em up this August, while also giving the White House the opportunity to get a quick recess appointment in while congress is still on vacation.

    CrookedInc.Com [crookedinc.com]

    Posted by gvincent27 at 08/27/2007 @ 3:24pm

  140. "oooohh, I LOVE being lectured on "quoting" from LILLIAN"

    Posted by MARY

    And you're much too small to simply admit that you're wrong. Pathetic.

    Posted by mtspence05 at 08/27/2007 @ 3:26pm

  141. Posted by HSUBFOOLS 08/27/2007 @ 3:16pm

    Out of context, makes no sense, HSUB. The question was "Why didn't you pop over to Katha Pollitt's thread on Cindy Sheehan running against Nancy Pelosi and tell those poor folks why they were wasting their time, since Nancy DOES support impeachment and it will come by late October and Cindy won't need to run?"

    Which....oddly...you didn't?!??!?!

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 3:29pm

  142. Posted by MTSPENCE05 08/27/2007 @ 3:26pm

    I admit to paraphrasing you, which according to LILLIAN (as of 12/08/2006 @ 10:39am)...is perfectly acceptable!

    BTW, you still failed to show what the fine distinction was between what I said and what you said....if there was something, you'd point it out. If there is NOTHING, then the meaning is identical.

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 3:31pm

  143. Out of context, makes no sense, HSUB. The question was "Why didn't you pop over to Katha Pollitt's thread on Cindy Sheehan running against Nancy Pelosi and tell those poor folks why they were wasting their time, since Nancy DOES support impeachment and it will come by late October and Cindy won't need to run?"

    Which....oddly...you didn't?!??!?!

    Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 3:29pm

    Second verse same as the first-- what a caca-cophony of Frita straw dildos sound like.

    Posted by HSUBFOOLS 08/27/2007 @ 2:51pm

    Posted by HSUBFOOLS 08/27/2007 @ 3:16pm

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/27/2007 @ 3:38pm

  144. Posted by HSUBFOOLS 08/27/2007 @ 3:38pm

    No straw man or "straw dildoes" (still hanging with WILL,huh?...okay)....just a simple question, HSUB-

    Given you KNOW that Bush and Cheney WILL be impeached and removed from office in just a few short months, why weren't you over at Katha Pollitt's thread on Cindy Sheehan explaining that to the fine folks supporting Ms Sheehan?!??!?!?!

    Two theories---1. You don't really believe it yourself. 2. You're a gutless punk who won't espouse his "theories" if it looks like a fellow "progressive" might disagree (i.e. call you a "sell-out for trying to defend Nancy Pelosi and John Conyers!"), which the Sheehan folks would.

    You're too obsessed with this for it to be #1...so I'll go with #2 (and "Number 2" is a good phrase to use with your general take on things....heheh)

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 3:47pm

  145. BTW, before getting back into it with Empty Dillinger or HSUB Roddenberry....back on-topic-

    "BLOG | Posted 08/27/2007 @ 11:29am Gonzales Goes But Investigation Must Continue" by John Nichols

    Again, why does Mr Nichols use that verb tense "must continue"? Why not "WILL continue"? Is there some doubt of that in his mind?

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 4:17pm

  146. Mattman,

    "Explain again how Bush is not a real conservative. Funny how in 04 and in 2000 he was 'the conservative'. Every conservative from every conservative faction in America backed him as the chosen one, because he takes conservative stands on every issue. He's a conservative, just like you which is why you run to him and his thugs' defense whenever anyone calls them out on their unethical, anti-American practices."

    Easy to explain for me..

    Bush is no conservative because..

    1. Spends to much on everything , especially more "entitlement progams with ever increasing yearly budgets without regard to the fact htere is no money to pay for them

    2. Budget deficit

    3. Unwillingness to enforse the laws on the books regarding Federal Responsibility on the borders.

    4. Failure to fight for federasl judges he nominates.

    5. Failure to have a plan for Iraq once the mission of removing Saddam and his thugs had been accomplished.

    I don't care what politicians run on..those are all fodders for stupid voters...watch what they DO..and nothinbg Bush has done, with the exception of cutting taxes gas been conservative. As far as every conservative running to vote for Bush..exactly where did you expect them to go? That idiot ALGORE? or Kerry?

    The blacks vote enmasse for Dems every year blindly and yet for the last 50 years they have come to the table with the same complaints..think it might be time for a change/ The definition of repeating the same event over and over and expecting a different result is what, again?

    Hope this helps you understand what we conservatives maen about Bush being not a conservative...maybe you should put down the roach for a few weeks...give your system and mind a chance to "reboot", so to speak.

    BTW, is every Democrat a liberal? Zell Miller, or Nelson of Nebraska the same as the ,ah, "Independent" Bernie Sanders or the moral giant of the Senate, Kennedy?

    Posted by john maasch at 08/27/2007 @ 4:25pm

  147. When will the American people wake up and realize that this is a democracy and not a theocracy. Bush, Congress -- all, they serve we the people; not their self interests. Gonzales, Rove, etc are nominated/ appointed .. they serve the President.

    There are machinations in place to force congress to introduce impeachment proceedings, but these will only come to bear when the PEOPLE of the USA decide to reclaim their country.

    It is our responsibility. As long as we sit idly by an 'talk', their is no incentive on the part of these 'politicians' to take any action.

    If anything, now that Rove, Rumsfield, Gonzales are out of the administration, they should be put on trial for acts of treason, violation of the geneva accords, war crimes, etc. Hell, If Mike Vick could lose his job over some stupid dogs, why the hell are these fools walking free?

    Posted by mansa at 08/27/2007 @ 4:33pm

  148. Yes, indeed, the investigation must continue. And to assure that it does and that there be meaningful consequences for any wrong-doing that may be uncovered, the Senate Judiciary must insist that the incoming Attorney General pledge to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate completely the firing of the U.S. Attorneys. Any nominee who refuses to make this pledge should automatically be rejected, regardless of his/her other qualifications.

    Posted by robgo2 at 08/27/2007 @ 4:41pm

  149. Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 4:17pm

    as in everybody's

    Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 4:47pm

  150. as in everybody's

    Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 08/27/2007 @ 4:47pm

    Yep, but odd from Mr Nichols, Mister "Impeachment is on the Horizon"?!?!? Why the dubiousness over the continuation of an investigation that he himself has said could be part of the lawlessness of this Administration?

    I mean, right now "Attorney-gate" is THE main scandal being investigated by Congress....if it goes away, do the Dems start up with Rove violating the Hatch Act by using Federal employees for campaigning?....with less than a year (politically speaking) left in the Administration?

    Not likely. This (Attorney-gate) is it, the "key" to other things and Bush and Cheney's eventual impeachment....or....not.

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 4:54pm

  151. Edward Levi?

    Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 2:47pm

    lol . . . now I know you are grasping at straws.

    Posted by Hman23 at 08/27/2007 @ 4:57pm

  152. JOHN MAASCH- When his approval ratings were above 55% nobody was questioning his conservatism. "Conservatives" got what was coming to them when they voted for this clown TWICE---geez! The lesser of two evils is still evil, and for the "Conservative" movement, this guy did far more harm than Kerry or Gore ever could have done.

    Posted by phillymark at 08/27/2007 @ 5:08pm

  153. Yep, but odd from Mr Nichols, Mister "Impeachment is on the Horizon"?!?!? Why the dubiousness over the continuation of an investigation that he himself has said could be part of the lawlessness of this Administration?

    Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 4:54pm

    exasperation.............. exasperation.............. it's making me irate, oh it's keeping me waiting

    by karly simon

    Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 5:17pm

  154. TWICE---geez

    Posted by PHILLYMARK 08/27/2007 @ 5:08pm

    uh, i think that's actually ONE AND A HALF TIMES

    Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 5:18pm

  155. Given you KNOW that Bush and Cheney WILL be impeached and removed from office in just a few short months, why weren't you over at Katha Pollitt's thread on Cindy Sheehan explaining that to the fine folks supporting Ms Sheehan?!??!?!?!

    (Frita if you pull a straw dildo out of your ass, does it mean that you first ate it and it came out of your ass or that you 1st manufactured it? Does it really matter since you to 1st 'had to make the effort' and at some point 'came up' with the mental idea to do it or at least someone paid you the income to do it...)

    Two theories---1. You don't really believe it yourself. 2. You're a gutless punk who won't espouse his "theories" if it looks like a fellow "progressive" might disagree (i.e. call you a "sell-out for trying to defend Nancy Pelosi and John Conyers!"), which the Sheehan folks would.

    (Frita, just one theory, you can't decide whether to push it in or pull out.)

    You're too obsessed with this for it to be #1...so I'll go with #2 (and "Number 2" is a good phrase to use with your general take on things....heheh)

    (So Frita decides to do both simultaneously with as many straw dildos as will fit. Thus her haggert bowlegged look.)

    Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 3:47pm

    Frito's Frita must stop playing herself. He's leaving to spead move time with you.

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/27/2007 @ 6:22pm

  156. Posted by JOHN MAASCH 08/27/2007 @ 4:25pm

    Okay, John. I think I get it now. He WAS a conservative, he was the TOP conservative...until he fucked everything up and didn't give "true" conservatives the results they would have liked. Clinton wasn't exactly the liberal's liberal either but the people swarmed (well, they still do) to the guy like interns.

    So if you don't dig on Bush, why defend him and his minion? Is it a reflex because it's from the mouths of liberals? Hey instead of putting down that roach, I'll pass it to you. Don't be afraid to inhale it either.

    Hey that idiot, you know Al Gore, he's looking like a freaking genious these days, and he doesn't even have to be contrasted with Bush! His popularity is soaring now. I'd watch out for that idiot!

    Posted by MATTMAN at 08/27/2007 @ 6:26pm

  157. Ever notice how quickly John Nichols posts items, even when he knows nothing about what he's talking about? Its amazing. The guy's head is so swollen with self-importance that he's completely lost any judgement he had once.

    Posted by nationwatch at 08/27/2007 @ 6:39pm

  158. John Nichols is a hack.

    Posted by nationwatch at 08/27/2007 @ 6:40pm

  159. Posted by MARYBRETBRAD 08/27/2007 @ 7:02pm

    I read that article word for word on Saturday!

    It made an excellent point which I had not of thought of....of the tier effect....

    Top tier schools, due to AA, getting many black candidates who really should be competing in second-tier schools....and on down....like athletes of Division II going up against Division I, Division III vs. Division II and so forth....ends up with most black law students struggling everywhere ending with shockingly high rates of NOT finishing law school or unable to pass the bar exams! Appearance of getting them in is everything, with results the Pro-AA never give thoughts to!

    An excellent article that isn't likely to be read in the pages of the Left Media!

    Posted by Happy at 08/27/2007 @ 7:30pm

  160. Posted by HMAN23 08/27/2007 @ 4:57pm

    HMAN, I cited two examples of AGs who left befor their President's term was up...how is that "grasping"?!??!?

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 7:45pm

  161. Posted by HSUBFOOLS 08/27/2007 @ 6:22pm

    You know actually REFUTING the point, would go a long way to establish SOME credibility....but of course...you can't.

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 7:47pm

  162. Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 7:47pm

    If you ever made a point it was only by making the tip of one of your straw dildos, that's all you're even good for now that you have no mind-- and that's only if the word 'good' is used very relative.

    Otherwise Frita needs to get a direct quote by me saying what Frita is lying about me saying or she's not only a lying straw dildo maker, she's an 'obvious' lying straw dildo maker.

    Frita is the only coward here as the coward that she is, feels the need to lie as she only has frail ideas and is required to stuff them with straw so they appear to prop up. But she no longer can see that they are ever only her own straw dildos.

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/27/2007 @ 9:14pm

  163. Posted by HSUBFOOLS 08/27/2007 @ 9:14pm

    See, here's the deal, ol' buddy. I think you believe it, but you're just not THAT sure enough to say to those Sheehan folks "Guys, guys...it's okay, Nancy and Conyers and the rest ARE going to impeach Bush and Cheney and force his successor (whoever that may be) to end the war....Give them time, trust them (as I HSUB do)"

    Sure enough that you'd take their taunts and "sell-out" cries, etc. And stand up for yourself against fellow "progressives".

    It's EASY to stand up to me...just keep flinging the ONE joke you have ("straw dildos"...based on WILL's sexual issues).

    But to take on "your own"...that would require REAL conviction and belief that you are right...and deep down...

    you're scared to death you're wrong, and would turn friends into enemies!

    Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 10:39pm

  164. So Frita it seems you have no quote from me stating what you're lying about me saying. And your only argument is about something I didn't do.

    Thus you win-- The Top Straw Dildo Maker/User On The Blog Award!!!!

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/27/2007 @ 11:01pm

  165. Frita is such a loser. Straw Dildo Maker/User Winner though.

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/27/2007 @ 11:02pm

  166. gentlemen, gentlemen

    no more dildoes please. the universe contains an infinite number of metaphors.

    BTW here's a little history [conjunctions.com] lesson for the bizarrely curious

    Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 11:50pm

  167. RIOB

    Tragedies either allowed or bungled, being used by the hsuB/cHeney admin as distractions for a unitary exec/dictatorship power grab that wasn't necessary during other periods of our history that were much worse. A weak argument.

    Congressional investigations are part of the job they were elected to do. That they lead to criminal activity, will not bew ignored.

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/27/2007 @ 11:54pm

  168. Rio Bravo: "furious partisan battles over irrelevant questions if the Democrat congress prevails..."

    Is it irrelevant or partisan to go into the details of wiretapping? Are the individual freedoms that you guys defend for real, or you'd rather have a police state? Is the abuse committed by firing those US Attorneys irrelevant? Exactly, we are defending justice and liberty over the aberrant partisanship of Re-poo-poo-blicans that think they are entitled to influence local politics with public servants( I have the right to label them that way as you label the Dems).

    The Attorney General has just too much influence over the legal system of the nation to be that partisan.

    As for focusing on Irak, this Administration would exactly want the opposite, i.e. that no one (not even Senator Warner) would talk about the war to continue on their way forever without receiving criticism, I would say we have talked too much about it let's stop it now. It is the AMERICAN PUBLIC that wants to stop it, and it is the Democrat Congressmen who are trying to do it.

    You get everything upside down, please relocate south of Rio Bravo.

    Posted by Frank42 at 08/28/2007 @ 01:30am

  169. At a time when the administration, the press, and the public should be focused on Iraq, Iran, and the worldwide struggle against jihadists, we will instead be preoccupied with furious partisan battles

    oh no, the jihadists! there are just so many of them out there that i can't sleep. my anxiety is so high that i wake up in puddle of sweat every morning. i really think the USA should just nuke iran and iraq and get this whole thing over with.....

    Posted by darladoon at 08/28/2007 @ 01:43am

  170. Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 2:44pm | ignore this person

    Oh look Mask...all those little snippets you archive...and you STILL can't produce what I actually said! It doesn't surprise me...because what I DIDN'T do...is make up my words and place quotes around them and then act as if that's what John said!.

    Here, clip this one and save it so you don't have to continue being such a befuddled little baby! (And make special note of how prescient I was in pedicting you'd continue pulling words out of your anus, placing quotes around them, and claiming that others actually said them!)

    Now, explain the "subtle differences" (hehe) between your attack on ME for "quotes" and your defense of LIL for "quotes"?!?!??

    Posted by MASK 12/21/2006 @ 10:41am | ignore this person

    Wow Mask. I'm sorry but you have proven yourself over and over again to be an absolute utter moron when it comes to the use of quotes, haven't you.

    Take a look again at what Thrawn posted...

    I hate to get into a personal feud, but this has honestly bugged me. Can you produce a specific post where John says "I have lots of money, ergo I alone know how money works"?

    Posted by THRAWN 12/08/2006 @ 01:17am

    I've bolded the part you need to pay attention to, just so you can follow along. Now look at what I posted...

    That would be exactly the point Thrawn. Having and/or flaunting affluence is NOT evidence of "knowing how money works." Yet John regularly conflates the two, flauting his wealth as defacto proof that he "knows how money works."

    Posted by LILLIAN 12/07/2006 @ 11:35pm

    You see how that works? When someone actually says the words, you get to place quotes around them when you repeat them...for the intellectually challenged like you Mask, we call that 'quoting' someone.

    Now notice how, when I was talking about John's comments...no quotes. By not placing quotes around the words, I indicate to readers that I'm communicating my perception and interpretation of his words and comments. If I had placed quotes around my perception and interpretation of his comments (which is something YOU constantly do), I would be communicating that I was quoting his exact words, which, in the world of debate, would be a rhetorical lie...which is why everyone considers YOU Mask to be a bald faced liar!

    While everyone else gets it Mask, I'm sure the distinction will continue to elude your pitiful intellect. I have no doubt that you'll continue to pull out of your anus your own perceptions and interpretations of other people's words, place 'quotes' around them, and try to pass them off as the words that others actually said...which is a MAJOR reason why everyone will continue to consider you to be utterly dishonest!

    Poor Mask.

    hehe

    Posted by LILLIAN 12/23/2006 @ 01:45am | ignore this person

    Posted by Lillian at 08/28/2007 @ 01:49am

  171. "oooohh, I LOVE being lectured on "quoting" from LILLIAN"

    Posted by MARY

    And you're much too small to simply admit that you're wrong. Pathetic.

    Posted by MTSPENCE05 08/27/2007 @ 3:26pm | ignore this person

    Spence, you hit that nail precisely on the head!

    Posted by Lillian at 08/28/2007 @ 01:50am

  172. I admit to paraphrasing you, which according to LILLIAN (as of 12/08/2006 @ 10:39am)...is perfectly acceptable!

    BTW, you still failed to show what the fine distinction was between what I said and what you said....if there was something, you'd point it out. If there is NOTHING, then the meaning is identical.

    Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 3:31pm | ignore this person

    Actually Mask, it's only perfectly acceptable when you actually 'paraphrase' (like I did.)

    When you make up words, place quotes around them, and pretend someone else actually said them (like you did), it's called 'lying'...

    ...and apparently YOU are the only person here who pretends that it is acceptable!

    Posted by Lillian at 08/28/2007 @ 01:59am

  173. But seriously Mask, no more lectures from Lil on the subject...the subject is apparently much too far over your head.

    By all means, continue the BS tactic of pulling words out of your anus, placing quotes around them, and pretending someone else actually said them. It really does cast the rest of what you say in such an 'appropriate' light!

    Posted by Lillian at 08/28/2007 @ 02:02am

  174. As for Gonzo, Nichols hits directly to the point. He has 'cut and run'...as others have already done and more will surely do in hopes of avoiding further disgrace. But for some, like GOnzo, who have broken the law, they should not be allowed to simply scurry off back under the rock from where they came. It doesn't matter what 'the odds of nailing them' or whether ultimately Bush will hand the whole sorry lot of them a mass 'Libby liberation'.

    Every effort should be made to KEEP the light of truth shining on who and what they are...

    ...and what they have done...until all of it is exposed.

    Posted by Lillian at 08/28/2007 @ 02:09am

  175. 1) Roberts

    2) Alito

    That's good enough for me.

    Posted by MARYBRETBRAD 08/27/2007 @ 6:51pm | ignore this person

    If you paid hard currency at a institution of higher learning, in a major, in any way related to the subject of your post, you should request a refund. Immediately. Also slapping a few of your professors, would in this case be justifiable.

    Posted by V at 08/28/2007 @ 06:36am

  176. Finally Bush's hotel [top1000destinations.com] boy Gonzales is gone but the problems stay.

    Posted by Traveler255 at 08/28/2007 @ 08:20am

  177. Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 7:45pm

    Mask, back up and look at the context of your earlier post. It's "grasping" b/c you were trying to minimize the circumstances on Gonzales' resignation by citing two other AG's who left the post early. I grant you that Meese had SOME controversy (not as much as Gonzo), but Levi??? You posted yourself that Gonzales cannot rely on the "want to spend more time with the family" excuse, yet, on the other hand, you seem to think that since other AG's left early, this is nothing different.

    Posted by Hman23 at 08/28/2007 @ 09:43am

  178. I've only known of NICHOLS' writings for 6 months or so....and his having a book out on `Impeachment' is never far from my mind.....

    IMO, he is closer to a "hack" or inciter than an eloquent advocate! Note comments RLAWRENCE made about NICHOLS' making revision to his own McKinney article--concerning SF's minorities--without disclosing the revisions in anyway! Furthermore, his revision was a bigger pile of crap than the original words!

    Posted by Happy at 08/28/2007 @ 10:25am

  179. Posted by LILLIAN 08/28/2007 @ 01:49am

    I see, LIL...if I use BOLDS for made up quotes, as you did about JOHN MAASCH...that's okay.

    But if I use "quotes" paraphrasing but with the EXACT SAME MEANING as what Empty SPENCE said....that's not.

    Gotcha! From now on I will make up quotes by Empty, put them in bolds, and then claim it was "Not those words exactly Thrawn. More a combination of many posts over the year or so I've been around here."

    Posted by Mask at 08/28/2007 @ 10:37am

  180. Posted by HMAN23 08/28/2007 @ 09:43am

    HMAN, I'm not "minimizing Gonzales leaving". The guy's obviously being forced out, due to the fact that EVEN SOME REPUBS might support a censure move against him (maybe even an impeachment).

    My point was that the Bushies have shown pretty fierce tenacity in staying "to the bitter end" that you didn't see in other Administrations. Reno stuck it out with Clinton, but lots of others left early. Same for other Admin.s.

    But never said that Gonzales was "just leaving".

    Posted by Mask at 08/28/2007 @ 10:47am

  181. Speaking of hsuBie holder onners-- Isn't the below the old Jr. H. sch. fake reasoning of, "IF YOU SMELT IT-- YOU DEALT IT":

    "Fleischer blames Dems for Gonzales' mistakes: Former Bush spokesperson says Congress is responsible for "politicizing" Justice Department - I'd almost forgotten how breathtakingly dishonest former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer can be. Yesterday, on Fox News, he blamed congressional Dems for "politicizing the Justice Department, unfairly so and dangerously so." Faiz sets the record straight: It was Alberto Gonzales, not Congress, who fired attorneys for political reasons; it was Alberto Gonzales, not Congress, who gave the White House political team unprecedented power to intercede in the affairs of the Justice Department; it was Alberto Gonzales, not Congress, who allowed his department to illegally hire attorneys based in part on their loyalty to the Republican Party and the Bush administration; it was Alberto Gonzales, not Congress, who dissembled and misled about the administration's spying activities; and it was Alberto Gonzales, not Congress, who lied in stating that all Bush appointees would be Senate-confirmed."

    http://blogreport.salon.com/default.aspx

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/28/2007 @ 11:29am

  182. Cool:

    Kansas City Star: Gonzales put politics above the law. "Bush's attempt to turn the tables -- accusing critics in Congress of creating a 'harmful distraction' -- only shows his own lack of respect for the separation of politics and justice....Bush's defiant rebuke to Gonzales' critics -- a group that includes some leading Republicans--raises doubts about his ability to select an attorney general who will restore professionalism and morale in the Justice Department." [Kansas City Star, 8/27/07, http://www.kansascity.com/340/story/249494.html]

    St. Petersburg Times: Gonzales made justice the servant of politics. "President Bush has it backward. In announcing his acceptance of Alberto Gonzales' resignation, Bush complained his attorney general's 'good name was dragged through the mud for political reasons.' Actually, it was Gonzales who tarnished the reputation of the Justice Department by subordinating the interests of justice to the service of politics....The rule of law is not some empty slogan. It is the foundation of this nation, and the next appointee needs to understand that his fealty is to the law and not to the man who gave his career a boost. The political reality is that Bush is a lame duck president with an inner circle that is emptying out." [St. Petersburg Times, 8/28/07, http://www.sptimes.com/2007/08/28/Opinion/Gonzales_made_justice.shtml]

    Journal News (New York): Lessons in accountability. "'I have lived the American dream,' Gonzales said in announcing his resignation yesterday. For the rest of the nation, which has suffered too long Gonzales' tortured memory and disregard for our civil liberties and sensibilities, it has been more like a nightmare. Good riddance." [Journal News (New York), 8/28/07, http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070828/ OPINION/708280321/1015/OPINION01]

    Chicago Sun-Times: Revive justice: Replace Gonzales with someone who will protect our liberties. "We're glad to see Albert Gonzales go -- finally. On his watch, politics colored the workings of the Justice Department through the firing of nine U.S. attorneys. And Americans' dearly held rights to privacy were systematically trashed by warrantless wiretapping. Enough of that. Gonzales, whose resignation this newspaper called for in March and again in July, should have quit months ago....Realistically, we can't expect much of a change. Gonzales did, after all, do Bush's bidding. He got the president's steadfast support in return. On Monday, Bush spoke bitterly of how Gonzales' good name was 'dragged through the mud for political reasons.'" [Chicago Sun-Times, 8/28/07, http://www.suntimes.com/news/commentary/530514,CST-EDT-edits28a.article]

    Seattle Times: Gonzales' gift: His resignation. "It is a sad commentary that Alberto Gonzales' greatest service to the nation during his tenure as U.S. attorney general is his resignation....The Bush White House played a role too in the obfuscation, successfully urging former advisers not to testify. Gonzales' resignation should not dissuade Congress from its search for the truth. That Gonzales crossed the line so easily and apparently so often is a lesson that history deserves." [Seattle Times, 8/28/07, http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorialsopinion/2003856209_gonza lesed28.html ]

    http://tinyurl.com/3xgrp7

    Posted by hsuBfools at 08/28/2007 @ 4:06pm

  183. "I'm still not convinced there will be a "downside" to Gonzales leaving..."

    "History has shown us, atleast once (with "Rummy") that a resignation is just the ticket for relieving the heat on the White House and even HELPING their agenda."

    Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 10:41am | ignore this person

    .

    .

    "Libby, Rove, and Gonzales gone...not a biggie, even if "under a cloud". Send some guys to jail and KEEP them there...then you're talking some points scored on the tote-board!"

    Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 12:44pm | ignore this person

    .

    .

    "DD, I support it....it just isn't going to matter."

    Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 12:52pm | ignore this person

    .

    .

    "Alberto Gonzales and Scooter Libby will be footnotes!"

    Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 12:48pm | ignore this person

    .

    .

    "HMAN, I'm not "minimizing Gonzales leaving". "

    Posted by MASK 08/28/2007 @ 10:47am | ignore this person

    Posted by Lillian at 08/28/2007 @ 9:35pm

  184. Man, when you line them up like that...

    ...the smell from 'Maskian BS' is pretty pungent, isn't it?

    Posted by Lillian at 08/28/2007 @ 9:36pm

  185. Gotcha!

    Posted by MASK 08/28/2007 @ 10:37am | ignore this person

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    Thanks for that...it was really funny...and I needed a good laugh!

    The ONLY 'gotcha' here...

    ...was when you got caught (yet again) lying!!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    Posted by Lillian at 08/28/2007 @ 11:13pm

  186. Have you seen that game show 'Are You Smarter Than a Fifth-Grader'? It's really funny!

    Let's play a quick round with Mask.

    Question 1:

    In modern English, the punctuation that looks like this..." "...is called...what?

    Answer:

    A. They are just squiggles and don't mean anything.

    B. They are called 'paraphrase marks' and mean that the words enclosed by them can be whatever you feel like making up and claiming that someone else said.

    C. They are called 'quotation marks' and indicate that the words enclosed by them are another person's exact words--a direct 'quote'--either spoken or in print--incorporated into your own writing.

    And here's the...

    Bonus Question:

    When someone makes up their own words and places quotation marks around them, and then pretends that someone else actually said those words, it's called...what?

    Answer:

    A. A 'lie'...as in, a false claim as to what someone else said.

    B. 'Maskian BS'...as in, the false claims and/or logical fallacies of the one called 'Mask' who posts on 'The Nation' blogs. (see also http://www.fallacyfiles.org/illisubs.html)

    C. Both A. and B.

    (psssst....the fifth-grader on my block is saying both answers are C....definitely C.)

    hehe!

    Posted by Lillian at 08/28/2007 @ 11:31pm

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