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RedditPeace and social justice groups have formed a new Mandate for Peace coalition to pressure incoming Democratic majorities in the House and Senate to use the power they will assume in January to promote the rapid withdrawal of US troops from Iraq.
The coalition is a muscular one, comprised of more than three dozen national and regional organizations with strong track records on an array of issues. It takes in antiwar activist groups such as After Downing Street, Code Pink and Peace Action; internationalist groups such as Foreign Policy in Focus and Global Exchange; veterans groups such as Iraq Veterans Against the War and Veterans for Peace; religious groups such as American Muslim Voice, Jewish Voice for Peace, the Network of Spriritual Progressives and Pax Christi USA; civil rights groups such as the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition and the Women of Color Resource Center; and political groups such as True Majority, the Bankbone Project and Progressive Democrats of America.
The coalition is supporting legislation proposed by US Representative Jim McGovern, D-Massachusetts, to cut off funding for the war. The McGovern bill, HR 4232, seeks to prohibit the further use of Defense Department funds to deploy United States Armed Forces to Iraq. Funds could be used to pay for the safe and orderly withdrawal of all troops; consultations with other governments, NATO and the UN regarding international forces; and financial assistance and equipment to either Iraqi security forces and/or international forces.
Support for the McGovern measure is growing rapidly. Almost all of its 18 co-sponsors (Arizona's Raul Grijalva; California's Sam Farr, Barbara Lee, Pete Stark, Maxine Waters and Lynn Woolsey; Illinois's Jan Schakowsky; Massachusetts's Barney Frank; Michigan's John Conyers and Carolyn Kilpatrick; New Jersey's Donald Payne; New York's Jose Serrano, Edolphus Towns and Nydia Velazquez; Ohio's Dennis Kucinich; Pennsylvania's Chaka Fattah; and Washington's Jim McDermott) have added their support in recent weeks.
As such, HR 4232 now represents the closest thing to an exit strategy currently being entertained by members of Congress.
Unfortunately, HR 4232 is off the radar for most members--even those elected on antiwar platforms. To put this serious alternative to the Bush Administration's stay-the-course position and the expected alter-the-course position of the Baker-Hamilton commission on the radar, supporters of the Mandate for Peace coalition will be flooding Congress with calls today, as part of a grassroots intervention on the eve of a planned meeting Tuesday of House Democrats to discuss Iraq policy and the release Wednesday of the much-anticipated report of the Baker-Hamilton Iraq Study Group.
There will be more than enough inside-the-Beltway pressure on House Democrats to embrace the tepid proposals of the Baker-Hamilton commission as the only alternative to White House intransigence. The Mandate for Peace coalition wants to counter that pressure with a grassroots message that says: "The Constitution gives Congress the power to end this war by cutting off the funding, as well as the power to investigate the war's justifications and to impeach its architects. Let Congress know that forgetting the message of the November 7 elections is an option that we're taking off the table!"
The coalition is urging Americans to call the Capitol Switchboard at (202) 224-3121 today to deliver an antiwar message to members of the House and Senate. (To get direct phone and fax numbers for your Representatives, visit www.usalone.com.)
The November 7 elections sent an antiwar signal, as confirmed not merely by Democratic victories but by exit polling and post-election surveys. It was a mandate for peace. Every new member of the House and Senate who was elected--from Ohio Senator-elect Sherrod Brown to Minnesota Representative-elect Keith Ellison to Montana Senator-elect Jon Tester to Wisconsin Representative-elect Steve Kagen--ran and won by taking more clearly antiwar positions than their Republican foes. Predictably, the mandate of the people is under assault by the Washington establishment. It's time for the American people to repeat their message--loudly--at the start of a week when members of Congress are going to need to be reminded that they were sent to Washington not to better manage an illegal and immoral war but to end it.
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The Dem majority is rather diverse. I don't know that newly elected members such as Schuler and Tester, etc., will be representing their electorate if they go along.
Posted by ILOVEPHYSICS at 12/01/2006 @ 10:32pm
that Baker commission is DOA. Bush wants to have many commissions, to hide the fact that he will never change his stupid mind. the congress will have to take his credit card away, and I believe they will, repubs included. if the repubs don't separate themselves from Bush, the next election will be worse for them. if there is going to be any impeachment, it will be a bi partisan affair, none of the repubs want to go down with Bush. he can no longer help them, but he can drag them down with him.
Posted by johannesrolf at 12/01/2006 @ 10:32pm
"The coalition is supporting legislation proposed by U.S. Representative Jim McGovern, D-Massachusetts, to cut off funding for the war. The McGovern bill, H.R.4232, seeks to prohibit the further use of Defense Department funds to deploy United States Armed Forces to Iraq.
With 18 cosponsors (Arizona's Raul Grijalva; California's Sam Farr, Barnara Lee, Pete Stark, Maxine Waters and Lynn Woolsey; Illinois' Jan Schakowsky; Massachusetts' Barney Frank; Michigan's John Conyers and Carolyn Kilpatrick; New Jersey's Donald Payne; New York's Jose Serrano and Edolphus Towns and Nydia Velazquez; Ohio's Dennis Kucinich; Pennsylvania's Chaka Fattah and Washington's Jim McDermott) the McDermott measure represents the closest thing to an exit strategy currently being entertained by members of Congress."
Doesn't that sound EERILY familiar to all those John Conyers impeachment or Russ Feingold censure resolutions (except they usually had THIRTY-FIVE or so co-sponsers)....
that liberal Dems used to present to the REPUBLICAN Congress?!?!??!?!?
Posted by Mask at 12/01/2006 @ 10:39pm
MASK - All you do is take "pot shots". I've never seen you offer one single suggestion.
You live in a world of cynic despair. Too bad for you...
Posted by ILOVEPHYSICS at 12/01/2006 @ 10:51pm
I love, you are correct, that is why despite his obvious intelligence I have him on ignore. I just got tired of the shadow boxing.
Posted by johannesrolf at 12/01/2006 @ 10:54pm
Ironically, congressional Republicans may be easier to persuade because the don't want Iraq around their necks in 2008. Meanwhile Democrats remain spooked about appearing weak on national security - lame as that sounds.
Intrepid Liberal Journal [intrepidliberaljournal.blogspot.com]
Posted by trebor007 at 12/01/2006 @ 10:56pm
right you are Tre. for the dems it's a win win. Bush sticks around as a miserable failure, or he is fired.
can you imagine what Bush will do in his "retirement"? he will not be lionized and admired the way Clinton is, he will be shunned, like Nixswine was.
Posted by johannesrolf at 12/01/2006 @ 11:22pm
ILOVEPHYSICS, JOHANNESROLF,
ILOVEPHYSICS, of course if Schuler and Tester vote to get troops out of Iraq they will be supporting those who elected them. This failed, misbegotten and insane war hurts the entire nation as a whole, not just selected states (either red or blue). The budget shortfalls and massive debt used to pay for it hurts everyone. Now, if the Democrats do not respond to what is coming, then their majority in Congress should be rendered null and void in 2008.
Posted by POSEIDON at 12/01/2006 @ 11:33pm
Mandate my rosy red ass. It's just a little fucking late to start making demands, John. The time for that is before you all-mouth-no-action pwoggies gave this bunch of spineless weathervanes everything they wanted, not after.
They have no reason to belive you'll be anything but the same gutless ABB hysterical doormats you have been for two elections now. They have no incentive to do anything but work to get more corporate dough in their re-election coffers. Everyone knows you and your little pwoggie feel-good groups haven't the guts to buck your DNC masters.
So enjoy the lip service and empty promises, John. That's all your going to get from phoning your newly elected oh-so-pwogwessive bunch of chickenhearts.
Posted by AlanSmithee at 12/01/2006 @ 11:52pm
hi ilovephysics,
tester ran almost entirely on getting us out of iraq. that and repealing the patriot act. and we elected him.
montana has a red-state label. but since 1916, democrats have occupied the two senate seats 87% of the time.
Posted by loveloki at 12/01/2006 @ 11:58pm
Posted by ILOVEPHYSICS 12/01/2006 @ 10:51pm
"Pessimism...is, in brief, playing the sure game. You cannot lose at it; you may gain. It is the only view of life in which you can never be disappointed. Having reckoned what to do in the worst possible circumstances, when better arise, as they may, life becomes child's play."---- Thomas Hardy
Posted by Mask at 12/02/2006 @ 08:34am
Posted by RIO BRAVO 12/02/2006 @ 12:00am
faith based tea leaf reading.
Posted by crabwalk at 12/02/2006 @ 08:38am
RIO, still waiting to read your exit plan.
Posted by crabwalk at 12/02/2006 @ 08:40am
Same with you ALAN. what is your plan?
Posted by crabwalk at 12/02/2006 @ 08:42am
Given the list of sponsers I don't think the ruling Dems wants the rest of the US to get too much of an earfull from these guys, lest the kook label starts to stick even harder than before. This group WILL lead to electoral defeat in 08 accross the board. To cut funds off of the fighting men and women over there now when they are taking incoming rounds is to ensure they come home looking for you over here...I would...
These guys have got to make a case all for their ideas that ALL groups can find something to back ...otherwise....it is viewed as patheically anti Bush with a heavy dose of far left and nothing eles...IE kook. We as a nation may come together on leaving Iraq, but the country is not far left..
Posted by john maasch at 12/02/2006 @ 09:41am
I love it! This is shaping up to be the SHORTEST reign of a Demoncrat majorities in the senate and house on record! Keep up the good work!
Posted by RIO BRAVO 12/02/2006 @ 12:00am | ignore this person
are you nuts?
Posted by johannesrolf at 12/02/2006 @ 10:15am
what is your plan?
Posted by CRABWALK 12/02/2006 @ 08:42am
Dousing your plan with gas and setting it on fire. Why?
Posted by AlanSmithee at 12/02/2006 @ 10:18am
Alansmithee,
Careful, I believe our dem friends are capable of spontaneous combustion....
Posted by john maasch at 12/02/2006 @ 10:35am
And they play with matches all the time...and then want to sue the fire department..
Posted by john maasch at 12/02/2006 @ 10:36am
Yes, we should listen to Code Pink and other like-minded groups.
They have the best interests of the US at heart...yeah right.
An immediate withdrawal serves the interests of the extremeists who are seeking to undermine the Iraqi govt....the secretarian violence actors are merely the VietCong puppets....AQ and islamic facists are the North Vietnamese puppet masters who will derive the main benefit.
Posted by CPT at 12/02/2006 @ 11:25am
Posted by CPT 12/02/2006 @ 11:25am
CPT...from the public to the politicians...
who EXACTLY is left SUPPORTING your position on Iraq and keeping US troops in it?
Posted by Mask at 12/02/2006 @ 12:21pm
Those of us opposed to Bush's Iraq adventure will be counting the number of vertebrae in the spine of the incoming congress as they face an intransigent executive. A test will come early, before the main event. Bush is likely to tell subpoena servers to go pound sand. Will members just rollover and play dead or will they fight back?
The Dark Side will drone in its guttural voice the mantra of the unitary executive while the Forces of Light fight on behalf of our Constitution. I do not underestimate our enemy. This is a battle worthy of a fight. I hope we see some steel in the backbone.
Posted by seattlescribe at 12/02/2006 @ 12:36pm
Zero, you were bitching about the new head of the intelligence comm. wrongly, in light of the fact that he was one of the few who voted AGAINST the war. this small number should be canonized, instead of villified.
Posted by johannesrolf at 12/02/2006 @ 12:57pm
In the year 1776 those who stood up for the ruling power of George III were called royalists. What should we call those of you who stand up for George II and his Iraq project?
There are always people who are comfortable with the status quo, and with ridicule and defamation of character hope to silence those who are not. It won't work. It didn't work in 1776 and it won't work now. We live in a Republic. If you prefer a dictatorship you need to find another country to call your own.
Posted by felicity at 12/02/2006 @ 5:18pm
Posted by RIO BRAVO 12/02/2006 @ 5:34pm
Nope, just brimming with Hope! (sorry Alcee Hastings did not make the cut, but there will be others just as qualified)
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But none as qualified as your most admirable, qualified and worthy Republican congressmen such as Delay, Ney, Foley, Lukens, Cunningham, Bauman, Sweeny....and the list goes on...
Right?
Geesh....the selective amnesia of the reactionary.....remarkable.
Posted by Tiresias at 12/02/2006 @ 8:06pm
Posted by RIO BRAVO 12/02/2006 @ 5:31pm
How can I compete with the full resourses of the Demoncrat party with no plan but to cut and run, then close your eyes while all the Islamic facist or terrorists just go somewhere else to play? -------------------------------------------------------
Oh the subtle mind of the reactionary. Let me see if I understand what is written here. There is a plan to cut and run. The phrasing indicates there is something wrong with this but it is not clear there is any problem with it at all (aside from, perhaps, not being suitably macho) especially since the result is that "all the Islamic facist(sic) or terrorists just go somewhere else to play". Now "somewhere else" would have to be a locale other than Iraq, wouldn't it? Well, that's just terrific!! Don't we want to get rid of all of those Al-Qeda and other terrorists, who would never have come to Iraq were it not for the POWH, but at least would be gone again? Great plan! Let's do it!!
Oh, you say they will come to the US? But we have no worry there do we? After all, our Lord Protector has done such a terrific job of protecting this country with his funneling of homeland security funds to places like South Dakota, Montana......
Posted by Tiresias at 12/02/2006 @ 8:21pm
Still waiting for plans, boys. I've read the excuses, the jibes, the blame the other guys. I've seen the results in Iraq. Disaster. So, you macho studs got any actual ideas, or are you awaiting more talking points from the Mother-ship?
"fight 'em over there, behind their women and children"
"We'll stand down, in twenty years when the Iraqis stand up"
"stay the course"
"We we're never "stay the course""
"Mission Accomplished"
"we will stay till the mission is complete"
Lets read what you guys would do to finish the liberation of Iraq. YOU started it, you finish it. Or you can sit in your comfy chair and poke fun at the dems.
Posted by crabwalk at 12/02/2006 @ 9:50pm
Posted by ALANSMITHEE 12/02/2006 @ 10:18am |
Alan, I play with fire everyday. I welcome your BTU's. Now bring on some thought.
Posted by crabwalk at 12/02/2006 @ 10:05pm
Posted by RIO BRAVO 12/02/2006 @ 5:25pm
RIO...99.99999999999999% of the people you mentioned...
are not ALLOWED to say anything different from what the Commander-in-Chief says.
How about out here in the world of the American public and the members of the Legislative Branch, Democrat AND Republican?
How much of THAT still supports our presence in Iraq?
or do you care?
Posted by Mask at 12/02/2006 @ 10:12pm
"Pessimism...is, in brief, playing the sure game. You cannot lose at it; you may gain. It is the only view of life in which you can never be disappointed. Having reckoned what to do in the worst possible circumstances, when better arise, as they may, life becomes child's play."---- Thomas Hardy
Posted by MASK 12/02/2006 @ 08:34am
"I know God won't give me more than I can handle. I just wish he didn't trust me so much." - Mother Teresa
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/03/2006 @ 12:06am
"Reader, suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were president of the USA. But I repeat myself." Mask Twain (2006-2006)
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/03/2006 @ 12:17am
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 12/03/2006 @ 12:06am
Don't ask former "Nation" writer Christopher Hitchens about Mother Teresa.
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 12/03/2006 @ 12:17am
Hmmm....think I'd quote a MODERN humorist, Patton Oswalt--
"George Bush is not stupid. He's evil. OK? There's a huge difference between stupid and evil. All my friends are always like 'He can't even complete a fuckin' sentence!' Hang on, George Bush can speak perfectly well, just not when he's being caring or compassionate or concerned about human beings. That's when he stutters and says shit like 'Hey it's hard to put food on your family.' Which he actually said, he said it's hard to put food on your family. Do you know why he said that? 'Cause he could give a fuck how hard it is for you to put food on the table for your family.
But you know when he gets really downright poetic and articulate and focused is when he's talking about war and death and murder and retribution. All of a sudden he's Dylan Thomas."
Posted by Mask at 12/03/2006 @ 09:15am
Posted by MASK 12/03/2006 @ 09:15am
Good thing then he really doesn't care that much about 'nucler' war either...
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/03/2006 @ 12:21pm
You mistake dyslexia for intelligence short falls....this is a serious mistake...
All of you who equivicate intelligence with slick public speaking and reading speech abilities are fools..
Richard Nixon even told the Russians and the Chinese...watch what I DO, not what I SAY...to learn my intentions and you will not go wrong in interpretations..
Posted by john maasch at 12/03/2006 @ 1:07pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 12/03/2006 @ 12:21am
It's a self-defeating proposition, HSUB (as I explained to LILLIAN once).
Take the choices---
1. "Bush is an idiot". Ergo he's a poor stupid puppet of Cheney, Big Oil, "the Cabal", etc. But that ALSO means he's an INNOCENT. A poor "retard" who is being USED by sinister forces...and by LEGAL standards not responsible for his actions.
2. "Bush is a sinister manipulator". Ergo he IS evil and diabolically intelligent.
But you can't have BOTH....outside of "Dr. Evil" in "Austin Powers", there's no such thing as a "moron evil genius".
Posted by Mask at 12/03/2006 @ 3:54pm
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202-580-8531 (Recorded message) (Mormon operator) NATIONAL WHISTLE BLOWER HOTLINE http:nomorefraud.blogspot.com This line you can record a message for ten minutes. Male voice only –If a woman answers the phone, the line has been enrooted (hijacked)(identity theft)...CALL THE POLICE
JEFF FISHER LAST NIGHT CALLED THE JOHNSON CITY POLICE AT (607) 729-9321 IN UPSTATE NEW YORK AND TOLD THEM ABOUT THE ABUSE HIS PARENTS DID TO HIM.
Mr. Fisher even gave them the phone number and email addresses to Secret Service Agent J D Bell and Special Secret Service Agent Leigh Bellami. Jeff Fisher also gave the FBI (International Special Agent ) Tom Heneghan's phone number and email address.
Maybe the people should demand the recorded phone calls. Here is the contact information online for the Johnson City Police Department. http://www.jcnypd.org/contacts.htm
http://www.jcnypd.org/support.htm
Maybe the world should also start paying attention to 9-11, and the fact we were all lied to and that the neocons did 9-11 the attack on America?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hundreds.html http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hoax.html http://iamthewitness.com/911-Mysteries-Video.html http://www.911blogger.com/node/3128 http://www.patriotsquestion911.com http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_charges.html
Isn't it high time we all start asking questions once and for all? These events were all connected together, for a fact. http://maryschneider.us http://www.ghosttroop.net http://www.nswbc.org http://nomorewarforisrael.blogspot.com
Jeff is one hell of an American and I am very proud I had let him help me fix my computer and how hard he tried to fix my computer to help me aquire the needed $200 so I can pay my rent.
The time has come that we answer these questions. http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html http://waynemadsenreport.com/Artstudents.htm http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html
He even said he would get me some readers all because I read some of his emails from people in intelligence.
http://www.insider-magazine.com
Jeff is very upset with Detective Bill Zimmerman for doubting him. Mr. Zimerman insulted Agent Bellami and the agent has a temper unlike Mr. Fisher who is a pacifist. Everyone should call Bill Zimmerman and tell him to apologize to that special agent. That agent has been in the Secret Service since President Harry S Truman. The number for all responsible Americans is 202-554-1757 ask for Detective William Zimmerman.
I will post some of those letters here. I will start with the one about Mark Foley.
Oh last night I had just gotten out of the tub to hear some stupid cop from Johnson City tell Jeff to get some help. Jeff told him that his parents abused him as a child and the cop just didn't care. Jeff then told the cop to get a life and find Christ and hung up on him.
Let me post his parents phone number so everyone can leave messages for them to hear. 607-777-9831
Then call the Johnson City Police (607) 729-9321 to stop listening to his idiotic parents and his gay brother who used to do horrible things to him.
Don't let any cop scare you with aggravated harassment.
Its called the First Amendment.
Bravo Jeff, whish is what all abused kids, should do when the law doesn't believe them. Jeff said that Father Dennis Ruda would understand and that maybe he could help the Police Department with the evidence that is written in Polish.
JEFF SAID HE HAD A FEW TIMES GONE TO THIS CHURCH WITH A FEW FRIENDS WHEN HE WAS IN 10TH GRADE AT JOHNSON CITY SENIOR HIGH. Here is a link to that church and a map of its location. http://www.switchboard.com/bin/cgiad.dll?PR=118&BI=10364685& amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;MEM=45&CID=2565&S=NY&LO=NY&VL=MSZOWSYmJk5ZJi YwJjAmMSYyJjDv&QV=94E4F9D2A6B5440E84EF161FD98B49D0l029E9D7C6F83794510313 203O019E9A7C6F83794512313203O079E9B7C6F8379451F313203O039E2F3D6F83794564 313203&QR=1&QX=1&QT=BCL
Jeff told me he lived just behind the Oakdale Mall. He said he used to ride a friends dirt bike, Honda and/or Kawasaki, in the hills before they made it into the mall. That was in the late 60's early 70's.
His name back then was Jeffrey Joseph Rogoff. Jeff had intentionally failed courses to conceal how bright he was. He actually got a grade of 25 in Geometry on his report card. He just didn't take any tests or do any homework. Jeff just wanted to be considered normal because of the horrible abuse that he was a victim of and how he witnessed other kids in school having the same kind of parents who were just down right mean to all children.
Jeff says that a friend of his, the late Peter Joyce wrote a letter to Al Rogers about Jeff's Intelligence Quotion and secret past that even his family didn't know about. Jeff told me that yesterday afternoon at Atlanta Bread right after he got the player personal office for the Atlanta Hawks to OK that a scout would contact him regarding Andre Harris getting a chance to be the sixth man for the NBA Atlanta Hawks. Andre is right now living at http://www.globalempowermentcenter.com/index.html.
Everyone should email Pastor Craig Soaries at cesoaries@aol.com . The pastor met Jeff last Sunday prior to church. The pastor service talked about many things including all about the power of the Internet. One of the ushers was having a hissy fit because Jeff was calling overseas to his love of his life so she could hear everyone praising God the Father. The usher just doesn't understand that anyone can spread the word, not just the pastor. Jeff walked out of the church and called his friend Jeremy and talked about God for more than 30 minutes. His friend understands what Jeff represents. I can't' yet because I am Jewish but I know he is very special.
Jeff needs the pastor to make sure that all the people Jeff met at the recovery house stay put while he awaits the loan and the other lawsuit against Wesley Townsend Apartments (contact letter) to happen with Joel David Associates representing (email address to Joel David) Mr. Fisher who at the present moment is residing no longer on the streets of Buckhead, Atlanta because he is helping me until the newspapers and CNN start to report the truth. Well he said he would come back after the protest in 7Sarasota Florida on Sunday7.
The building where it happened is where his new father who wants to adopt him lives. Somebody should email these people also for they might want to help donate to this mans quest for exposing the truth about our elections and ending this war overseas and the fake war on terror that has escalated into a real one thanks to AIPAC, the NEOCONS/ZIONIST and the Rothchilds. Dr. Greer lives not far from where Coretta Scott King used to live. God Bless her soul. The firm is just taking there sweet time. They have no idea how much money they can make. At least 100 million dollars could be the settlement. They want 37%. Jeff says that's usury so he offered them 44% instead and they still are not reacting. How arrogant can they get? The case is based upon a security officer throwing steaming hot coffee in Jeff's face which was captured on security cameras and many of the people in the complex know all about it.
The good thing is Jeff 7left for Florida this morning for Sarasota around seven7 to some protest about this past election. He said the election has to be redone because of what the FBI agent TOM HENEGHAN reported on http://www.indymedia.org/ , http://www.stewwebb.com/ and on Cloak and Dagger which is based in Germany with an extension of de instead of com.
Jeff was talking to the Johnson City Police or someone else last night all about the stolen smartmatic cards, Marvin Rosen, Hillary Clinton, Barrack Obama and Rahn Emanuel were some of the people who are involved with that theft.
http://neworleans.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/9034.php
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=106525;title=A PFN
http://worldvtruth.tripod.com/ricojeffjayfisher.vs.joseph.doc
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:YymVFxaYxI4J:www.nogw.com/download/2 006_il_spy_widens.pdf+tom+heneghan+marvin+rosen&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=9
MAYBE IF THE POLICE INVESTIGATE THE EMERGENCY HOSPITAL RECORDS AT WILSON MEMORIAL HOSPITAL FROM THE LATE 60'S TO THE LATE 70'S THEY MIGHT SEE A PATTERN OF INJURIES THAT ARE PREVELANT IN PHYSICAL AND SEXUAL ABUSE AMONG CATHOLIC YOUTHS IN BROOME COUNTY NEW YORK.
561-835-8419 AL ROGERS-# 2 victim of 22 Former 2004 Communications Manager for JEFF FISHER (D) VS MARK FOLEY (R)
Tell Mr. Rogers thank you for his upcoming testimony against Dr. Piotr Blass and the $10,000 PAYOFF BY JOSEPH KLOCK OF BAYPOINT SCHOOL
561-865-9548 BEN ROTH GOOD FRIEND OF JEFF FISHER AND WITNESS TO MEETING WITH SEAN S LENNON ON JULY 27, 2004 SOVERNTY@ROVIN.NET
http://20-248-c.onlinestoragesolution.com/neversurrender/EVIDENCE.htm
The above link has some very interesting information. Later on phone numbers and emails and other information will be posted.
Now for the news on Mark Foley
Mark Foley's partner in crime at Drug Free America, Doug Guetzloe, sentenced to prison. Guetzloe worked for Mel Sembler and the neocons of AIPAC for a total of 30 odd years. Message to Melvin Sembler: You're NEXT.....Don't think about going anywhere! You and AIPAC have abused your last school program and caused your last rigged elections. http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html
MEL SEMBLER AKA AIPAC: YOU CAN NOT HIDE FROM THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE DAMAGES WILL BE HEARD IN COURT, AND YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. http://www.wesh.com/news/10320948/detail.html I think people in America, Israel, France, England and all the other nations should do a real Internet search regarding Jeff Fisher and Mark Foley and our voting rights. The information online that the press is not reporting is enough to make the dead rise and want to just whack these people up and down their foolish heads. Here is a list of links to try to see what I am writing about.
http://arkansas.indymedia.org/newswire/display/20263/index.php The links in all these articles are amazing.
People should write to this writer and ask him to report the whole truth jeremy.wallace@heraldtribune.com
This writer wrote the following article and he has been contacted several months earlier about Jeff Fisher from several people via email. http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060930/NEWS/60 9300536
The Independent in the following link by the Washington Post is Emmie Ross (please review this link for more information regarding Emmie Ross)
http://20-248-c.onlinestoragesolution.com/neversurrender/EVIDENCE.htm
The Washington Post is been aware of Jeff Fisher on a personal basis since early July of this year. Washington D.C. is such a police state that there are cameras everywhere and that means We the People can see Mr. Fisher on recorded tape defending all us voters.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/elections/keyraces/676/
The following links are all related to Jeff Fisher's evidence
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/06/22/LI200506 2200936.html
Investigating Jack Abramoff
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/28/AR200510 2800982.html
Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson
Jeff told me he knows that Scooter Libby has people watching him. Jeff has good contacts in the CIA and at the US Marshal office too.
This is all about the greatest lawyer in America and Jeff Fisher being the link to most of his cases. BayPoint School, AIPAC ,the Mossad and the Rothchild's all have a connection to 9-11 and our stolen elections for the past ten years with proof from Mr. Jeff Fisher for the past eight years.
That means the 2000 election was stolen and Mr. Fisher has all the needed evidence for Al Gore.
Why are the Democrats not helping him? It sure isn't America.
Where do they pledge their allegiance? I think the people need to know that answer. http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/index.html
http://www.wiolawapress.com/chicago9.htm
Wait to you hear the audio on http://www.nomorefraud.blogspot.com and the recordings Jeff had on his computer that his wife destroyed but Jeff thinks that he may have transferred them to a few other computers in Palm Beach County where they may still be in existence. Carol McClean, Darren, Emmie Ross and a few others scattered around District 16 while he ran for congress in 2004. Jeff hid his files to protect his son David who they wanted to place in a drug rehab center, such as Growing Together even though David Samuel is just an innocent six year old Jewish boy who just loves lighthouses and Buzz Lightyear.
David's dad, Jeff, used to spend time in his bedroom at night helping him fall asleep. Then he would go see his daughter Jamie Irene sleeping in her bed. So he would go hold her hand and just watch her breath in the air. Jeff couldn't stand to be away from his children but he had a campaign to run mainly by himself since his wife and family were adamantly against him running for Congress as were most of the Democrats in Palm Beach County. http://www.iamthewitness.com/mp3/DarylBradfordSmith-Bollyn-3Dec2006.mp3
For some reason they loved to complain about things against Mark Foley but they never wanted him to lose any election. Anyone who stood up against AIPAC always got harmed in some way or another. Someone should contact Jean Elliott Brown from the 2002 election and find out what Mark Foley was holding over her in that race.
Jeff told me that she and her son told him on the phone in 2003 about some kind of blackmail he used against her close to the November 2002 General Election.
A friend of Jeff Fisher,
Davida Shensky
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Posted by jackiewatkins at 12/04/2006 @ 02:40am
Ah, A new addition to the Rese,Plunger, Zero list.
Posted by john maasch at 12/04/2006 @ 10:26am
Posted by JACKIEWATKINS 12/04/2006 @ 02:40am
I'm just waiting for one of these guys (or gals) to explain how "few know this, but John Wilkes Booth was a Zionist...AIPAC KILLED LINCOLN!!!!"
Posted by Mask at 12/04/2006 @ 10:47am
MASK
Well you have to ask the question who wants to take the responsibility for leaving prematurely? And creating a long-term problem.
Posted by CPT at 12/04/2006 @ 12:07pm
Well you have to ask the question who wants to take the responsibility for leaving prematurely? And creating a long-term problem.
Posted by CPT 12/04/2006 @ 12:07am | ignore this person
CPT, your question is a bit mal-formed. The "long-term problem" was caused by our entry, not our exit.
And who has responsibility for it has already been quite well established.
Posted by Lillian at 12/04/2006 @ 12:19pm
Posted by CPT 12/04/2006 @ 12:07am
Nobody wants that either, kind of a point I've been making on BOTH sides.
Repubs want this thing over with ASAP so they can run in 2008 without "stay the course" around their necks.
Dems want it over with too, but don't want it to seem as if THEY initiated the pull-out and get stuck with the "Saigon-1975" moment that is inevitable. But they can't do NOTHING, or else Mr Nichols, and his "over three dozen groups", will get pissed at them.
And the vast majority of the American people want us out too, but (contradictorily) don't want us to "lose" either.
Don't feel slighted because I pointed out that almost nobody in power is supporting YOUR position....because they're not supporting an OPPOSING position either!
Posted by Mask at 12/04/2006 @ 12:25pm
It's a self-defeating proposition, HSUB (as I explained to LILLIAN once).
Take the choices---
1. "Bush is an idiot". Ergo he's a poor stupid puppet of Cheney, Big Oil, "the Cabal", etc. But that ALSO means he's an INNOCENT. A poor "retard" who is being USED by sinister forces...and by LEGAL standards not responsible for his actions.
2. "Bush is a sinister manipulator". Ergo he IS evil and diabolically intelligent.
But you can't have BOTH....outside of "Dr. Evil" in "Austin Powers", there's no such thing as a "moron evil genius".
Posted by MASK 12/03/2006 @ 3:54pm | ignore this person
Mask, you have such a 'black-white' view of everything...constantly trying to force everything into these 'either-or' false dichotomies of yours.
As I explianed to you before, Bush is 'willfully obtuse'. He chooses to remain uninformed because he is intellectually lazy. Bush's intellegence surely falls into the 'normal' or 'average' range...he just refuses to excercise it. He prefers instead to let others do the 'heavy cogitating' for him...because that's what he's done his entire life.
That means he fails both of your tests...'Bush is retarded therefore he's innocent' AND 'Bush is an evil genius'.
Which means that, once again, your BS point, carefully crafted of a Mask false dichotomy goes...
...poof!
Posted by Lillian at 12/04/2006 @ 12:32pm
Posted by MASK 12/03/2006 @ 3:54pm
Take the choices---
1. "Bush is an idiot". Ergo he's a poor stupid puppet of Cheney, Big Oil, "the Cabal", etc. But that ALSO means he's an INNOCENT. A poor "retard" who is being USED by sinister forces...and by LEGAL standards not responsible for his actions.
2. "Bush is a sinister manipulator". Ergo he IS evil and diabolically intelligent.
But you can't have BOTH....outside of "Dr. Evil" in "Austin Powers", there's no such thing as a "moron evil genius".
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A strawman has been set up by offering only two choices. Of course, there is another, perhaps most likely:
3. He is an idiot which makes him a most manageable puppet for the Cheney/Big Business plutocracy that dictates policy and everything else that this administration and the GOP do.
Posted by Tiresias at 12/04/2006 @ 12:39pm
Posted by LILLIAN 12/04/2006 @ 12:32am
Which means that, once again, your BS point, carefully crafted of a Mask false dichotomy goes...
...poof!
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LILLIAN put it much better than I. When I say the POWH is an idiot, I do not mean he is literally one; he obviously could not function at any capacity were he a clinical idiot. My use is the vernacular label often used to designate a completely obtuse, thoughtless and vacuous person. But the POWH is what LILLIAN describes, and worse. I just go the further step and say that kind of "idiot" is easily managed and manipulated...and by whom.
And LILLIAN, I just relish your..
...poofs!
Posted by Tiresias at 12/04/2006 @ 12:52pm
Posted by LILLIAN 12/04/2006 @ 12:32am
Posted by TIRESIAS 12/04/2006 @ 12:52am
LILLIAN says Bush is "intellectually lazy"...fine. But that's not "moron" or "retarded" is it? It's laziness.
But see, calling Bush a "intellectually lazy cowboy fascist AWOL'er" just doesn't trip off the tongue.
Plus hard to corrolate "Chimpy" or "Dumbya" with someone who just has no curiousity, isn't it?
Again, you guys want it BOTH ways...Bush is borderline mentally handicapped AND a facilitator of vast evil plots and just as guilty as Cheney and Rummy.
It's why I call you the "Fundamentalist LEFT". Like the Religious Righties with their "Antichrist putting the Mark of the Beast on those 'Left Behind'" and simultaneously claims that Satan is both "beyond human in intelligence" AND that he will blindly and SUICIDALLY follow the "prophecies" of Revelations that would lead to his downfall....
you guys too throw aside logic and semnatics, in favor of your emotionalism (in this case abject and obsessive hatred ...of a politician) and the tenets of your "faith" that the man is SIMULTANEOUSLY a complete idiot, but not innocent of the nefarious things he does, because he's "deliberately being an idiot".
Of course there's no logic to it...but the paradigm was set back in 1999-2000 when the lib mantra was "Bush is an idiot; Gore is atleast able to speak coherently!"....and since liberals are NEVER WRONG, when Bush began his "sinister plans for 9/11 and War", he had to REMAIN a "babbling moron", but ALSO become a Machiavellian of the highest order bent on "establishing a fascist dictatorship".
And of course you couldn't just keep ONE (the "idiot" charge) because if he truly was just a "puppet of Cheney", then he'd be "off the hook" for his numerous crimes, as any person of diminished capacity would be.
So...now we have LILLIAN with "Bush is intellectually lazy"....okay, as I said, fine. But being lazy isn't the same as being STUPID...which was the original charge back in 2000.
Unless...Lillian mean....GASP!...no...can't be that....that....
the Left was (and continues to be) WRONG about Bush being borderline brain-damaged and "Rain-man in a blue suit"? (Heard that one on Slate back in 2004, BTW)
Posted by Mask at 12/04/2006 @ 1:42pm
the Left was (and continues to be) WRONG about Bush being borderline brain-damaged and "Rain-man in a blue suit"? (Heard that one on Slate back in 2004, BTW)
Posted by MASK 12/04/2006 @ 1:42pm | ignore this person
Do you have citations or are you...GASP!...just listening to those voices coming from the LEFT...inside your head...again?
Posted by Lillian at 12/04/2006 @ 4:15pm
Iraq and the Danger of Psychological Entrapment By Shankar Vedantam Monday, December 4, 2006; Page A02
As Robert M. Gates appears this week at his Senate confirmation hearings for defense secretary, Wesleyan University psychologist Scott Plous sees a hidden trap.
Plous, a social psychologist and author of "The Psychology of Judgment and Decision Making," said experiments show that psychological entrapment comes in at least four guises: the investment trap, in which we try to recover sunk costs by throwing good money after bad; the time delay trap, in which a short-term benefit carries the seed of long-term problems; the deterioration trap, in which things that started out well slowly get worse; and the ignorance trap, in which hidden risks surface suddenly.
What does this have to do with the Gates confirmation? Plous sees the U.S. dilemma about what military course to take in Iraq as a perfect example of psychological entrapment -- on a national scale.
"What is remarkable is that the war in Iraq is a kind of super trap that has all these elements," Plous said. "Some weeks things look better, and then they look worse and then there is a setback. What we need is to take a step back and ask, 'If we were faced with the choice today without sunk costs, what decision would we make?' "
Plous is talking about the quick military victory followed by the zigzag decline into nightmare: the lack of intelligence on the ground about Saddam Hussein's supposed weapons of mass destruction; the hundreds of billions of dollars invested to fight the war; and above all, the lives of thousands of Americans that have been lost.
Plous said his alarm bells went off when he realized that President Bush was explicitly using the language of entrapment in speeches to rally support for the war. "Retreating from Iraq would dishonor the service of our brave men and women who have sacrificed in that country and have given their lives in that country, which would mean their sacrifice would be in vain," the president said recently.
In the World War II example, defeating fascism, not honoring dead British soldiers, was the reason it made sense to fight on.
"Rational decision-making should not be driven primarily by recovery of past costs," Plous said. "If you can no longer justify it in terms of what it will bring in the future and what its realistic prospects are, that is a warning sign you may have become entrapped."
Other techniques to avoid entrapment in everyday life include making sure that a decision to continue on a path is not made solely by people who decided on that path in the first place, by setting limits on investments upfront and by triggering automatic reviews if a plan of action hits certain predetermined failure points.
But none of those measures can take the sting out of the dilemma on whether to change course after a substantial investment: "Regardless of whether you supported the war or not," Plous said, "this is going to be heart-wrenching."
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/04/2006 @ 5:03pm
Posted by MASK 12/03/2006 @ 3:54pm
Thus I say investigate for wrong doing-- if convicted, congress can test hsuB to see if he's too retarded for waterboarding...
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/04/2006 @ 5:09pm
Well, here's a question for those who might be tempted, yet again, to shy away from a confrontation with Mr. Bush over Iraq: How do you ask a man to be the last to die for a bully's ego?
http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/ 2006/12/god_help_me_us_.html
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/04/2006 @ 5:13pm
unMasked
Monday, December 04, 2006
Is the President not only losing Iraq, but losing his grip on reality?
by Joe in DC - 12/04/2006 10:51:00 AM
Anyone who has watched George Bush over the past weeks must wonder if the President of the U.S. has any semblance of sanity left. Frank Rich, in that brilliant way that of his, asks and answers the question of whether our President is losing it. This is a serious piece and must be read. These are frightening times and our leader is delusional:
IT turns out we've been reading the wrong Bob Woodward book to understand what's going on with President Bush. The text we should be consulting instead is "The Final Days," the Woodward-Bernstein account of Richard Nixon talking to the portraits on the White House walls while Watergate demolished his presidency. As Mr. Bush has ricocheted from Vietnam to Latvia to Jordan in recent weeks, we've witnessed the troubling behavior of a president who isn't merely in a state of denial but is completely untethered from reality. It's not that he can't handle the truth about Iraq. He doesn't know what the truth is.
The most startling example was his insistence that Al Qaeda is primarily responsible for the country's spiraling violence. Only a week before Mr. Bush said this, the American military spokesman on the scene, Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, called Al Qaeda "extremely disorganized" in Iraq, adding that "I would question at this point how effective they are at all at the state level." Military intelligence estimates that Al Qaeda makes up only 2 percent to 3 percent of the enemy forces in Iraq, according to Jim Miklaszewski of NBC News. The bottom line: America has a commander in chief who can't even identify some 97 percent to 98 percent of the combatants in a war that has gone on longer than our involvement in World War II.
But that's not the half of it. Mr. Bush relentlessly refers to Iraq's "unity government" though it is not unified and can only nominally govern. (In Henry Kissinger's accurate recent formulation, Iraq is not even a nation "in the historic sense.") After that pseudo-government's prime minister, Nuri al-Maliki, brushed him off in Amman, the president nonetheless declared him "the right guy for Iraq" the morning after. This came only a day after The Times's revelation of a secret memo by Mr. Bush's national security adviser, Stephen Hadley, judging Mr. Maliki either "ignorant of what is going on" in his own country or disingenuous or insufficiently capable of running a government. Not that it matters what Mr. Hadley writes when his boss is impervious to facts.
Bush is impervious to reality. Unforunately, he is still the leader of the United States. These are dangerous times and it's starting to feel like Bush is leading the nation of a cliff.
Comments (139)
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/04/2006 @ 5:25pm
the Left was (and continues to be) WRONG about Bush being borderline brain-damaged and "Rain-man in a blue suit"? (Heard that one on Slate back in 2004, BTW)
Posted by MASK 12/04/2006 @ 1:42pm
Could be hsuB's an idiot-savant-liar! Could explain a lot about living in a seperate reality, yet always a functionly script ready reader. But will he blow up if any truth seeps into his reality? Or is he a genius liar-- so good he can lie his way to accepting the truth if he convinces himself that the truth is a lie that he created (in order to accept the truth) and he lies to himself about it!
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/04/2006 @ 5:41pm
Posted by MASK 12/04/2006 @ 1:42pm
Etc. etc. etc.
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Who cares if a collection of words trips off the tongue or not? It is irrelevant to the issue at hand.
The most general problem is you consistently conflate what you claim liberals say with what I or LILLIAN have said. [Psychology notes that failings that gall a person are often lacunae in their own behavior, so I suggest you attend to your logic and semantics.] Defend the POWH all you wish, but deal with what I have written and do not claim for me arguments that I have not advanced.
While reactionaries and others of the ultra-right desire to be told what to think and respond on point as a well-trained chorus (something Jon Stewart is able to hilariously demonstrate time and time again)and to parrot the same, virtually identical party line, most of my persuasion are rather disinclined to that lock-step behavior and the existence of monolithic unity is rare. A general kind of consistency is sometimes achieved since the premises are often quite similar and thus the logic yields similar conclusions. But do not think that because other liberals or liberal organs state some position, that it is one with which I or many other liberals will necessarily agree. I realize this may be a quite foreign concept to you, but it is the normal situation.
I specifically noted in my posts that the POWH is an "idiot" in the sense of the vernacular which I defined. All of the "intellect", Machiavellian or not, produced by this benighted regime is the product of Cheney and Co. Again, so maybe you will get it this time, the assertion is: The POWH, a creature of quite average intellectual ability but who is otherwise obtuse, thoughtless and vacuous, is a willing puppet of the plutocrats and their agent, Cheney. Now is it clear?
My assessment of his intellectual ability is more than adequately established by a multitude of his public utterances and by his dismal academic record in a university where he could only win admission as a legacy student, a status that, barring exceptionally bad performance, afforded award of "gentleman's C."
One thing most teachers will agree upon is that anyone who, chronically, cannot express themself clearly, phrase a sentence properly, or develop a syntax that is reasonably logical, is reflecting a lack of understanding and clear thinking regarding whatever it is he is talking about or else he has some organic dysfunctionality such as dyslexia. Since there is no evidence of any kind of the latter, I conclude that the POWH just does not understand what he is talking about and/or has devoted very little thought to it. This is common in the populace and not normally debilitating nor dangerous, but for the chief executive of a nation, it is perilous indeed.
You further exemplify the Right's propensity for either rewriting or ignoring history or facts or both. There is ample evidence to reasonably conclude that the Iraq invasion was indeed being planned before 9/11. Of course, that planning was by Cheney and Big Oil.
And no, just because the POWH is a PUPPET does not absolve him of responsibility, for he is willingly and knowingly a puppet (I do not think he is a dupe - that might excuse him), and just as culpable as the people whom he allows to manipulate him. Even as a PUPPET, he is of majority and legally responsible for his actions for not fulfilling his oath of office and for malfeasance by letting others essentially control him.
I have said some of what the POWH has done is stupid but that is not to say he is stupid. As you have argued, it is not a logical classification for anyone who gets to the White House. By the way, there is evidence his drawl is quite phony and that when with his Brahmin family, his speech is akin to theirs. So he is duplicitous as well as an obfuscater. None of these behaviors are marks of stupidity.
You are correct that many here, and from the center too, have nothing but contempt for this creature - just as they completely loathe Hitler, Stalin, Pinochet, Saddam.... Of course, there are still apologists for these people, supporters who think those on the preceding list were great people, and that FDR, JFK, MLK were evil. Personally, I am in the former camp and have active hatred for these embodiments of evil and wish against all odds for another FDR, JFK... I see nothing wrong with making a moral judgment regarding a politician, and I place the POWH, a person culpable through his irresponsibility, lies, and incompetence for the loss of over a half-million innocent lives, in that list of loathsome vermin.
And yes, even a puppet of average intelligence should have the moral capacity to show Cheney & Co. the door when they argued for a war that had not an iota of justification that was not subject to serious question. People of average intelligence,but good moral compass, are often very cautious about decisions and will try to get much help before taking important steps. Not this individual, he was beating the drums of war right off and never stopped. Indeed, the POWH is an idiot in the realm of ethics, an idiocy that is inexcusable.
One need not dwell on your rather amusing ad hominem sputterings about liberals, their biases, irrationality and pigheadedness - even if true, points of no relevance to the intellectual status of the POWH. And if you wish to claim your sole argument was to say liberals are not in lock-step and are inconsistent....that has already been dealt with.
Posted by Tiresias at 12/04/2006 @ 5:54pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 12/04/2006 @ 5:25pm
This came only a day after The Times's revelation of a secret memo by Mr. Bush's national security adviser, Stephen Hadley, judging Mr. Maliki either "ignorant of what is going on" in his own country or disingenuous or insufficiently capable of running a government.
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Perhaps that is why the POWH likes Mr. Maliki so much as his kind of guy. Because, well, he is exactly like The Guy! Birds of a feather.....
I imagine the response of the POWH to Mr. Hadley's report was, "What's wrong with that? I've gotten by fine for six years that way."
Posted by Tiresias at 12/04/2006 @ 6:06pm
Wow, looks like the US citizenry sure are focussed on Iraq as a main concern to be resolved!
Gallup Poll. Nov. 27-29, 2006. N=1,003 adults nationwide, randomly drawn from Gallup's household panel, which was originally recruited through random selection methods. MoE ± 3.
"In your view, what one or two issues should be the top priorities for the President and Congress to deal with at this time?" Open-ended
Top Responses
_________________11/27-29/06____7/24-27/06
Situation in Iraq/War_______69________48
Economy in general________16________15
Poor health care/
Cost of health care_________14________9
Immigration/ Illegal aliens___10_______13
Fuel/Oil prices/ Energy crisis__6________17
Education_________________4_________4
Terrorism_________________4_________4
Social Security_____________4_________1
National Security___________4_________3
Federal deficit/
Federal debt ______________4_________5
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/04/2006 @ 6:12pm
Tired, you keep repeating propaganda like the half million killed in iraq bullshit, as it were fact....Then you take the opportunity to compare President Bush to Hitler and Stalin, and Saddam Hussein and Pinochet.... You are truly nutty, there's no other way to say it..........Bet you would have been a fan Uncle Joe Stalin if you had been around in the 1930's....How about Fidel Castro, or Che Guevara? Bet you've got their posters on your wall now.......
Posted by davebarlett at 12/04/2006 @ 9:22pm
#1 - America's Top-Ranked President, Abraham Lincoln
"I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts."
--Abraham Lincoln
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/04/2006 @ 10:14pm
#2 - America's 2nd Greatest President, Franklin Delano Roosevelt
"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."
- FDR
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/04/2006 @ 10:16pm
#3 - America's 3rd Greatest President, George Washington
"The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred, or an habitual fondness, is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest."
-- George Washington
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/04/2006 @ 10:16pm
#4 - America's 4th Greatest President, Thomas Jefferson
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever. . . the Almighty has no attribute that can take side with us in such a contest."
- Thomas Jefferson
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/04/2006 @ 10:18pm
#5 - America's 5th Greatest President, Theodore Roosevelt
"No Man is justified in doing evil on the grounds of expedience."
-- Theodore Roosevelt"
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/04/2006 @ 10:18pm
#6 - America's 6th Greatest President, Woodrow Wilson
"The history of liberty is a history of the limitations of governmental power, not the increase of it."
- Woodrow Wilson.
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/04/2006 @ 10:20pm
# 7 - America's 7th Greatest President, Harry S. Truman
"When even one American - who has done nothing wrong -- is forced by fear to shut his mind and close his mouth, then all of Americans are in peril."
-- Harry S. Truman
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/04/2006 @ 10:21pm
#8 - America's 8th Greatest President, Andrew Jackson
"It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their selfish purposes."
- Andrew Jackson
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/04/2006 @ 10:22pm
#9 - America's 9th Greatest President, Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Every gun that is made, every warship that is launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed"
-- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/04/2006 @ 10:23pm
#10 - America's 10th Greatest President, James Madison
"The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted."
- James Madison
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/04/2006 @ 10:24pm
Fools, Wilson was not a good pres. he was a bumbler. he was taken to the cleaners at Versailles by Britain and France. an idealist yes, but a failure, in my opinion. I think JFK belongs in the Pantheon, he saved us from nuclear destruction during the Cuba crisis.
Posted by johannesrolf at 12/04/2006 @ 10:30pm
#... (Last --'the Worst President in All of American History')
Compilation of Bush quotes (courtesy of Buzzflash.com):
"You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot easier."
Describing what it's like to be governor of Texas. (Governing Magazine 7/98) -- From Paul Begala's "Is Our Children Learning?"
"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."
(CNN.com, December 18, 2000)
"A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it."
(Business Week, July 30, 2001)
http://www.wildnesswithin.com/worst.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ article/2006/12/01/AR2006120101509.html
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0708-27.htm
http://www.heartheissues.com/worstpresidents.html
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/9961300/ the_worst_president_in_history
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/01/politics/main1673345.shtml
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/04/2006 @ 10:35pm
OK JR.
#11 America's 11th Greatest President, John F. Kennedy
"Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
Words from the inaugural address of President John F. Kennedy, delivered in 1961.
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/04/2006 @ 10:41pm
Don't forget this memorable quote from Ike, during the Suez crisis of 1956, when the Russians threatened to attack the UK and France:" If that happens, then Moscow will be destroyed as night follows day." One of my all time favorites
Posted by davebarlett at 12/04/2006 @ 11:12pm
Gotta go with Dave on the quote and JR on Wilson...
and Bushfools, you are treading ever closer to your compariots who now occupy the ignore list...Rese,Plunger ,and Zero...if you go, then they have a fourth for bridge at least...got your cards handy?
Posted by john maasch at 12/04/2006 @ 11:25pm
I think the reason they were numbered as they were had somewhat to do with what type of a relationship to the lowest common denominator-- hsuB.
Wasn't it the Polk- Buchanan presidencies that helped the US Civil War along via the Mexican American War- business/lobby currupt dealings with anti-slavery-- culminating in Abraham Lincoln's presidency? I may be a little off but currently don't we have similar conditions with war-corporate/gov corruption-economic disparity, divided country-- very well leading to the next Lincoln-type presidency, and then there's the rapidly growing euthusiasm for Barak Obama and him being cast as someone that will represent a point of transistion, a bridge to hope and being wholy authentic. Doesn't anyone else find this ironic or is it just me?
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/04/2006 @ 11:45pm
JFK was a great Pres. Believed in lowering taxes and kicking ass, 2 things you little bitches constantly ream Bush over! Hypocritical morons! Just puttin' the mirror in front of you all so you can see your true enemy!
Posted by barry25 at 12/04/2006 @ 11:58pm
"and then there's the rapidly growing euthusiasm for Barak Obama and him being cast as someone that will represent a point of transistion"
Barak is an empty suit.....he is being pushing by MSM and no one else.
Posted by john maasch at 12/05/2006 @ 12:04am
Having said the previous post,
I think he is Hillarys running mate., in 08 to keep the naacp and the black voters to vote dem at 99% levels once again.
Posted by john maasch at 12/05/2006 @ 12:06am
DB,
Ike "ordered" Israel, Britain and France to pull back. In essence, "How can I tell the Soviets to quit Hungary and stay out of the Middle East, when you guys are invading Egypt? And by the way, I'm trying to get re-elected next week, so don't give me another headache." (Paraphrasing mine).
http://www.juancole.com/2006/11/prosterman-guest- editorial-where-is.html
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/05/2006 @ 12:07am
Barak is an empty suit.....he is being pushing by MSM and no one else.
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 12/05/2006 @ 12:04am
You're wrong on this one. But then again it wouldn't be the first time would it.
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/05/2006 @ 12:11am
On which one? empty suit or MSM push?
Posted by john maasch at 12/05/2006 @ 12:19am
One cannot deny the MSM push...name one person excited by his achievements? What are his acheivements anyway?
Also, the one on top in the beginning is usually not found at the end of the race...
Posted by john maasch at 12/05/2006 @ 12:20am
His acheievement so far is to win a seat against a carpetbagger when there was no chance a repub could ever win a seat in Ill again....only a black or white liberal can win there due to population make up...It is a lost cause for conservatives...
Posted by john maasch at 12/05/2006 @ 12:22am
As for Pres. Wilson, I have to say a lot of his defeats weren't because he was wrong, just simply ahead of his time. For sure he was greatly educated and fought against big business/gov corruption and managed to make a lot of reforms. Was also awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in late 1920, something most and especially the current pres, hsuB, will never get.
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/05/2006 @ 12:27am
Maasch,
You look but cannot see. Your idea of right is winning, but only if they're your fights. Thus only see an empty suit. Some that can see character, see a lot of it in Obama. Obviously you can't. And that's fine as it is a skill, a potential he has and may not be able to use it or attain his fully.
Posted by hsuBfools at 12/05/2006 @ 12:38am
Posted by DAVEBARLETT 12/04/2006 @ 9:22pm
Tired, you keep repeating propaganda like the half million killed in iraq bullshit, as it were fact.
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Back again from sucking? You got a big dose of unreason and denial this time, didn't you?
Posted by Tiresias at 12/05/2006 @ 09:27am
Dave, you are of course correct. it is 499,999 Iraqis killed so far, oops, add another 50 of today's dead to the total. I am so grateful for you pointing this out.
Posted by johannesrolf at 12/05/2006 @ 2:05pm
Posted by DAVEBARLETT 12/04/2006 @ 9:22pm | ignore this person
Tired, you keep repeating propaganda like the half million killed in iraq bullshit, as it were fact....
Say Dave, just wondering, how many people did Sadam kill? (Careful with your answer because there is one hell of a lot more investigatory evidence and statistical analysis behind the Lancet study number of 400,000 to 600,000 war-related Iraqi dead than there is for the CIA sponsered propaganda number/guestimate of 250,000 deaths or so attributed to Sadam in his 25 year reign.)
Then you take the opportunity to compare President Bush to Hitler and Stalin, and Saddam Hussein and Pinochet....
Dave, where exactly is that 'comparison'?
You are truly nutty, there's no other way to say it..........Bet you would have been a fan Uncle Joe Stalin if you had been around in the 1930's....How about Fidel Castro, or Che Guevara? Bet you've got their posters on your wall now.......
Just curious Dave, when you draw the 'conclusion' that TIRESIAS is a fan of Uncle Joe Stalin (and FIdel and Che) from these words that TIRESIAS actually said...
You are correct that many here, and from the center too, have nothing but contempt for this creature - just as they completely loathe Hitler, Stalin, Pinochet, Saddam....
...I mean really Dave...there's no other way to say it...it makes YOU sound pretty "nutty"...either that or just incapable of basic reading comprehension.
Posted by Lillian at 12/05/2006 @ 4:44pm
Posted by MASK 12/04/2006 @ 1:42pm
What complete and unmitigated bullshit.
Here, Mask, suck on this:
Bush is a useful idiot.
Posted by New Dawn at 12/07/2006 @ 6:55pm
"and then there's the rapidly growing euthusiasm for Barak Obama and him being cast as someone that will represent a point of transistion"
Barak is an empty suit.....he is being pushing by MSM and no one else.
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 12/05/2006 @ 12:04am
Prove it.
Posted by New Dawn at 12/07/2006 @ 6:55pm
Tiresias - Post forever, please.
Posted by New Dawn at 12/07/2006 @ 6:56pm