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RedditOh, it's wonderful when conservatives and their media begin to tsk-tsk over what's "appropriate" behavior for President Obama. "He flies off to Los Angeles tonight to appear on the Jay Leno show," Senator John Kyl sniffed, as if Obama were running off to drown his troubles at the local bar. "He even has time to fill out his NCAA basketball bracket," Senator Lamar Alexander complained, making me wonder, Would they disapprove if they found out that on occasion Obama takes a 20-minute bath instead of a five-minute shower?
But no one does pretend puritanical as well as the New York Post, whose post-Tonight Show front page is headlined: "No Joke! O yuks it up on Leno as economy burns."
To assert that the president of United States shouldn't talk directly to the people in times of crisis is positively dippy. Not only do the tsk-tskers want him to look derelict in his duty, they want him surrounded and at bay, like Manuel Noriega: Ideally they'd keep Obama caged in the Beltway bubble, where they can torture him by blasting at high decibels the sound of their own voices, and no others, 'round the clock.
But foiled again! Obama handled the Tonight Show (video below) with his usual aplomb, both the small talk (and, really, the notion that Obama's a brute for his Special Olympics remark is laughable) and the serious stuff about AIG and the economy. Every time he broke into a smile, you could feel tiny knots of national tension being loosened. And he did it in the crooning quiet of Leno's Burbank studio, bouncing his thoughts off the Chin as if he were a stand-in (stand-up?) for the typical Main Street guy.
The scene got a little tense, and some of the applause died down, when Leno asked how fair is it to use the tax code to target special groups, as arguably the House did yesterday to the AIG bonus babies. I thought Obama should have clarified two things: One, does he still approve of this tax strategy, as he said yesterday, or is he concerned about its constitutionality, as he said when a narrower version of it was first proposed?
And two, he might have clarified Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner's role in watering down Senator Christopher Dodd's provision to cap executive bonuses in the budget bill. Granted, Leno wasn't the place to go into detail, but I've listened, I've read, and I still don't get the who, what, where, when, why. Obama seemed anxious instead to defend Geithner as a hardworking public servant in whom he has "complete confidence."
Now outta L.A. and back in the Bubbledome, will Obama tell us exactly why Geithner inspires such confidence?
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I had my haircut, at an old-fashioned shop of course, you know, with the revolving what-you-call-it pole, this morning.....
My barber is a Mexican-American lady of likley 2nd or 3rd generation.....
Her first chit-chat with me after slipping the apron around my neck: "Did you see Obama's stupid comments on The Tonight Show?"
Ms. Savan, I feel sorry for you......you've got to keep on drinking them Kool-Aid. You may want to contact Brooks or Noonan to see how to check yourself into ReHab!
Posted by Happy at 03/20/2009 @ 1:09pm
Obama makes the previous occupant of his office look like a bad saturday night live sketch.
they are gone now, but they, Shrub, Rummy, Condo Cheney et al, ALL belong in jail.
Posted by emile duBois at 03/20/2009 @ 1:20pm
Condi, not condo
Posted by emile duBois at 03/20/2009 @ 1:20pm
If the Republicans are going to set up straw man arguments, then lets do it...
Is going on Leno at this point in American history comparable to going to the El Mirage Country Club while a hurricane decimates LA?
How about taking 879 vacation days in 8 years (that's 109/yr) while we are fighting 2 wars?
Feel free to add to this list...
Posted by Misheley at 03/20/2009 @ 1:30pm
the reason Obama has so much free time to address the ills of this nation, is that he's not clearing brush, freeing him up to even go on Leno.
and wasn't the chin proud, cock o' the walk.
Posted by emile duBois at 03/20/2009 @ 1:34pm
<i> (and, really, the notion that Obama's a brute for his Special Olympics remark is laughable)</i>
No, it's not. Obama has deeply internalized his distaste for the disabled. He didn't think twice about mocking them and obviously didn't recognize that anything was wrong with it until some staffer pointed it out.
Do you routinely make jokes about the physically and mentally disabled, Ms. Savan? Under what circumstances? Do you think that the Tonight Show was a good forum for that sort of humor?
Posted by Henrietta_G_Tavish at 03/20/2009 @ 1:35pm
That set up was just too perfect. Must resist temptation to make distasteful joke about routinely mocking the mentally disabled that appear on these boards.
Posted by Misheley at 03/20/2009 @ 1:44pm
No, it's not. Obama has deeply internalized his distaste for the disabled. He didn't think twice about mocking them....
Do you routinely make jokes about the physically and mentally disabled, Ms. Savan?...
Posted by Henrietta_G_Tavish at 03/20/2009 @ 1:35p
Excellent points.
Brings to mind the football players lost in the Gulf...the lone survivor is white....
How would Ms. Savan react if some conservatives said to Olbermann or Matthews or Letterman: "Well, you know, it just goes to show (most) blacks don't take well to water!"
Posted by Happy at 03/20/2009 @ 1:45pm
Students! Pay attention to "Happy" he has mastered the use of a false equivalency. I fully expect the rest you to submit yours below. Points will be deducted for misspelling and grammatical errors.
Posted by Misheley at 03/20/2009 @ 1:54pm
Leslie Savan says (above):
".......Every time he [Obama] broke into a smile, you could feel tiny knots of national tension being loosened....."
Leslie, you are overdoing it a wee bit here!
Of course, Republicans are not supposed to complain about the President working on NCAA Brackets, but Coach K complained too - said the President should be worrying about the economy and not NCAA brackets.
So libs, was it wrong for Coach K to complain?
(in case anybody doesn't know who Coach K is - Coach K is Coach Mike Krzyzewski of Duke University Men's Basketball)
Posted by sjchermak at 03/20/2009 @ 2:11pm
Obama looked and sounded great, didn't he?
I like his style - less stuffy, a bit more informal, a "man of the people" if you will, who can go on a talk show and feel at ease.
In short, he projects a feeling of "being one of us." And I think that's a big part of his success and likeability.
Posted by FDR43 at 03/20/2009 @ 2:14pm
You know what else I hope he does? I hope he might consider going on one of the Sunday morning news shows - continue his open accessibility policy in that manner as well.
Posted by FDR43 at 03/20/2009 @ 2:16pm
Sorry, the outrage at the President's foul remark is justified. He needs to be called out for it as harshly as Bush would have been.
Elected leaders need to stay off late night shows anyway, and this is a prime example of why. He may be the pop culture president, and I may have voted for him, but I wish he'd stay in the Oval Office and get some work done because it's evident that those working for him need some help.
Posted by nowickedwitch at 03/20/2009 @ 2:17pm
No matter what the setting, his basic likeability as a person, as a human being, always shines through.
Other than politically, I can't see anyone not liking this person, as a person.
Posted by FDR43 at 03/20/2009 @ 2:17pm
"Geithner inspires such confidence?"
Confidence for who, may I ask? The Federal Reserve scoundrels? Or maybe for the AIG million dollar bonus recipients?
You might be interested in checking out yesterdays episode of Democracy Now! (http://www.democracynow.org) and listen to their guest saying how Timothy Geithner AND Larry Sumners - should BOTH Resign their positions!
I mean seriously, these two crooks, along with the majority of Obama's administration are ALL from the Federal Reserve (Geithner) or Goldman Sachs and all these other financial giants, the same groups involved in the economical crises we are facing in this country!
Geithner is a crook and he comes from the largest criminal cabal in this country - the (Not-So-Federal) Federal Reserve! How do we expect the people who caused the problems to fix them?
Wake Up America!
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Posted by kristofeR! at 03/20/2009 @ 2:24pm
Obama looked and sounded great, didn't he?
I like his style - less stuffy, a bit more informal, a "man of the people" if you will, who can go on a talk show and feel at ease.
In short, he projects a feeling of "being one of us." And I think that's a big part of his success and likeability.
Posted by FDR43 at 03/20/2009 @ 2:14pm
We saw two different people.
I saw an overly cocky, almost arrogant and dismissive person, who seems so full of himself that it was embarrassing.
That anyone could find this side of Obama appealing means that the cult of Obama is now well penetrated into the supposed liberal purists.
What a shame that the office has gone to his head so badly that he seems nothing like candidate Obama, or perhaps this is the real side of him now revealed?
Posted by antisocialist at 03/20/2009 @ 2:31pm
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/action/ignore.mhtml?who=antisocialist
hahahahahahahaha
and furthermore, hahahahahahahaha.
Posted by emile duBois at 03/20/2009 @ 2:37pm
whatanabsurdclownlivertyis.
Posted by emile duBois at 03/20/2009 @ 2:38pm
Wow! The audacity. And Bush was WHERE when Katrina went down? Reading books to who on 9/11 with that stupid look on his face? Please.
Posted by snowball666 at 03/20/2009 @ 2:35pm
where do you think Bush should have been when Katrina hit the coast?
Should he have suspended the constitution and taken charge of Louisiana and New Orleans instead of their governor and Mayor?
And you would support Obama going to a school, but not Bush? And the only way Bush should have been elsewhere that day under your accusation would be if he knew in advance about the attack that morning? Are you another conspiracy nut that Bush knew and planned 9/11?
Posted by antisocialist at 03/20/2009 @ 2:39pm
Oh, brother. The Special Olympics remark was funny, albeit a little off color. Get a life!
I have volunteered for the Special Olymipcs for years assisting the games for the most helpless athletes in electric wheelchairs that compete in a 20 yard race using the joystick. Most of them don't even get the gist that it's a race. But they love the attention, all of us volunteers and parents cheering and patting them on the back. On the other side of the field are athletes that run faster and further than I ever could. So Special Olympics is a broad field of talent. Just like the rest of us, BTW!
But, If you want to deny that you ever made a comparison of ability to that of a disabled person, then you are a liar. You never said, "that's crazy" "you must be nuts" "how lame" "what a geek" "he's retarded" "You must be brain-dead" "what a gimp" "what a cow" "He's a simpleton" He's a moron" "You're insane" "What, are you blind" "Are you deaf, or something" "he runs like a spaz" "he's spastic" "you're a retard" etc. etc. I don't believe you.
As for parents of disabled kids, try being a little less strident. We all get made fun of for being different, even when the differences are small. Treat your kid like the rest of us and lighten up. Raising kids is hard enough without setting their sensitivity level so high everyone hates to be around them, and you.
For the conservatives that see this as a chance to jump on Obama, it's not that you're so sensitive and Democrats aren't, it's that you are so partisan that you support an openly racist, sexist, xenophobic GOP and point your finger at others who just act natural. Obama apologized because he is a politican. I'd tell you to get a life!
Posted by Cannonball at 03/20/2009 @ 2:40pm
"where do you think Bush should have been when Katrina hit the coast?" antisocialist at 03/20/2009 @ 2:39pm
Perhaps meeting with FEMA and other relief agencies to coordinated a humane and early response. Or participating in the video briefing regarding the hurricane and the levees that was scheduled for Aug. 29. Anywhere but the El Mirage RV park, AZ.
Posted by Misheley at 03/20/2009 @ 2:45pm
Excellent points.
Brings to mind the football players lost in the Gulf...the lone survivor is white....
How would Ms. Savan react if some conservatives said to Olbermann or Matthews or Letterman: "Well, you know, it just goes to show (most) blacks don't take well to water!"
Posted by Happy at 03/20/2009 @ 1:45pm
Yeah Happy. That;s hilarious to hear coming from you who calls the President Magic Negro. Don't try to play PC now because it involves Obama bashing. Especially since the other day you basically blamed black people for everything that is wrong with this nation.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 03/20/2009 @ 2:45pm
On top of that his comment was no less ridiculous then what people say EVERYDAY. Do you know how often I hear people sa"God I'm retarded", "Stop being retarded!". I hear this all the time. At least on an every other day basis.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 03/20/2009 @ 2:47pm
So libs, was it wrong for Coach K to complain?
(in case anybody doesn't know who Coach K is - Coach K is Coach Mike Krzyzewski of Duke University Men's Basketball)
Posted by sjchermak at 03/20/2009 @ 2:11pm
Funny. You guys are the ones who defended Bush for taking a couple month vacation at the beginning of his term. You are now complaining because Obama took MAYBE and hour to fill out his NCAA picks. You people are ridiculous. You sound like everything you complained about. You are just looking for reasons to complain about Obama. Just like you said liberals were just looking for reasons to hate Bush.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 03/20/2009 @ 2:49pm
whatanabsurdclownlivertyis.
Posted by emile duBois at 03/20/2009 @ 2:38pm
Says the starring actor in the theater of the absurd.
Posted by antisocialist at 03/20/2009 @ 2:53pm
a star vs a clown
works for me.
Posted by emile duBois at 03/20/2009 @ 2:57pm
Have you seen Will Ferrell doing Bush on HBO in the special called "You're Welcome America"? He absolutely **nails** the Bush smirk, the Bush clueless doofus remarks, the Bush 'I don't know - and I don't **want** to know' attitude, etc.
In stark contrast with Presnit Smirking Chimp, seeing Obama on Leno was like a BREATH OF FRESH AIR!! We finally have as President again, an articulate man with intelligence, humility, charisma, compassion, and a sense of humor.
Posted by Lillian at 03/20/2009 @ 2:59pm
"The universe seems to me infinitely strange and foreign. At such a moment I gaze upon it with a mixture of anguish and euphoria; separate from the universe, as though placed at a certain distance outside it; I look and see pictures, creatures that move in a kind of timeless time and spaceless space emitting sounds that are a kind of language I no longer understand or ever register."
Ionesco
Posted by emile duBois at 03/20/2009 @ 3:03pm
Cccomfo1,
Regarding vacation- no President is ever really on vacation - they are in constant communication with anybody they need to talk to - all kinds of equipment travels with the President.... so it was out of order for those on the left to complain about how much vaction President Bush was on, because no President is ever really on vacation.
As far as the NCAA picks, the author of the article is complaining that Republicans were complaining. But if President Bush is wrong for "being on vacation", why is it not wrong for President Obama to make NCAA picks?
And if Republicans were wrong for commenting, then is Coach K wrong also? Or is it OK for Coach K to comment?
I see what you are saying...but I can say the same things about libs that you say about conservatives.
So we are just talking past each other and running around in circles.
Posted by sjchermak at 03/20/2009 @ 3:03pm
In stark contrast with Presnit Smirking Chimp, seeing Obama on Leno was like a BREATH OF FRESH AIR!! We finally have as President again, an articulate man with intelligence, humility, charisma, compassion, and a sense of humor.
Posted by Lillian at 03/20/2009 @ 2:59pm
"We finally have as President again, an articulate man with intelligence, humility, charisma, compassion, and a sense of humor."-----
liberal speak for we finally have an elitist liberal snob who is like us.
Posted by antisocialist at 03/20/2009 @ 3:05pm
What I don't get:
George W. was no favorite of mine in the White House, to be sure. Neither was Reagan, as I thought him overrated.
Nonetheless, I NEVER wished daily for either one's failure! This is what I don't get about you neocon types. Why the daily wish for failure? Is it the unwillingness to accept a political loss, or is it the frustration unleashed in the aftermath of realizing your party has, indeed, a split personality, which will not be readily reconciled?
Posted by schnellerheinz at 03/20/2009 @ 3:14pm
I think you all need to get out more. Get a girlfriend or something, for pete's sake.
Posted by schnellerheinz at 03/20/2009 @ 3:21pm
In stark contrast with Presnit Smirking Chimp, seeing Obama on Leno was like a BREATH OF FRESH AIR!! We finally have as President again, an articulate man with intelligence, humility, charisma, compassion, and a sense of humor.
Posted by Lillian at 03/20/2009 @ 2:59pm
Lillian, well put. It is quite a contrast, isn't it. An elitist plutocrat (Bush) vs a real man of the people (Obama), with all those great qualities you describe. (Plus, he can actually speak in complete sentences.)
Did you hear this quote from Shrub the other day?
"I'm going to put people in my place, so when the history of this administration is written at least there's an authoritarian voice saying exactly what happened," - George W. Bush on his plans for his memoir.
Posted by FDR43 at 03/20/2009 @ 3:21pm
Posted by schnellerheinz at 03/20/2009 @ 3:21pm | ignore this person | warn this person
nicht so arrogant, bitte
you're not Heinrich Heine yourself.
Posted by emile duBois at 03/20/2009 @ 3:23pm
Do you routinely make jokes about the physically and mentally disabled, Ms. Savan? Under what circumstances? Do you think that the Tonight Show was a good forum for that sort of humor?
Posted by Henrietta_G_Tavish at 03/20/2009 @ 1:35pm
Get off your high horse Henrietta. Obama was making fun of himself for being a bad bowler. I had a family member (he's no longer alive) who suffered from muscular dystrophy and who competed in the special olympics programs. Obama wasn't slamming them, he was slamming himself.
So, do you think Rush Limbaugh flailing around saying that Michael J Fox was faking his disease was the route to go? Just curious to see if you are really upset, or trying to make a political point.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 03/20/2009 @ 3:24pm
I am of course not speaking of the poet but rather of the socio- political commentator.
Posted by emile duBois at 03/20/2009 @ 3:24pm
Hey, I've been called a "hiney" lotsa times!
Posted by schnellerheinz at 03/20/2009 @ 3:25pm
Get a girlfriend
sure I'd love to, but my wife would certainly object.
Posted by emile duBois at 03/20/2009 @ 3:27pm
Wife? I thought about getting one of those, but I hear they're expensive.
Posted by schnellerheinz at 03/20/2009 @ 3:28pm
No matter WHAT, even if Obama turned out to be a mediocre President, there is ONE tremendous thing we can say about him, one overwhelmingly good and positive fact, which no one can ever take away, and which makes him an incredible asset, no matter what: he's NOT George Bush.
Something to remind ourselves, even if or when things don't go smoothly.
Posted by FDR43 at 03/20/2009 @ 3:28pm
That is, our long national nightmare (the Bush years) are over!
Posted by FDR43 at 03/20/2009 @ 3:30pm
Cccomfo1,
On the lib side on this thread we have snowball666 implying negative about President Bush reading books to kids on the morning of 9/11 - ignoring (or mabye not) the fact that the President began reading to the kids, then the North Tower was hit, when the President was notified all officials around him still thought it was an accident, when the South Tower was hit at 9:03 am it then became apparent we were under attack.
President Bush's reactions and responses in the next few minutes have been parsed by many self-professed experts beyond mind bending belief.
Nobody was sure what was really happening, or why. President Bush was supposed to immediately leave, scaring the children in the class (because of the reason for leaving), for which he would have received continual crucification to this day.
Oh, that's right - I forgot, President Bush receives continual crucification until this day anyway, for every breath of air he took while President and for his entire life before being President and since.
So getting past that we have Lillian hopping in claiming that George W. Bush has an "I don't want to know" attitude. Seems Lillian is off the mark, because when Mr. Bush was Governor of Texas he did want to know why reading scores in schools were low, he wanted to know and found out why the new educational trend of "Whole Language" was not working, why the old way of using Phonics was better, and he got Phonics going again in Texas schools and kid's reading improved. His attitude was opposite of what Lillian says it is.
I am just venting because you are taking on the role of traffic cop for discourse violations on the information superhighway again, and you need to patrol the left lanes for violations also instead of just the right lanes.
Posted by sjchermak at 03/20/2009 @ 3:32pm
On TV, looking like he gave a rats ass about the people.
No tin hat, just recognize an ineffective leader like a fart in a car, Anti.
Posted by snowball666 at 03/20/2009 @ 2:40pm
So you're another one of those liberals who doesn't believe states have any authority or responsibility for disasters in their states.
Why don't we just eliminate the 10th Amendment and make Obama King or like Chavez, dictator for life and get rid of governors and Mayors?
Posted by antisocialist at 03/20/2009 @ 3:34pm
a star vs a clown
works for me.
Posted by emile duBois at 03/20/2009 @ 2:57pm
Score, Emile 1, Liv 0
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 03/20/2009 @ 3:35pm
President Obama meant that his own bowling qualified him for the Special Olympics.
People who have a problem with that have a problem dealing with their feelings about handicapped people. Handicapped people know that they are handicapped. It is OK to mention it in public.
Obama is doing a great job with the mess that he has inherited. He irks the Neo-cons, and I'm glad.
Posted by kat827618 at 03/20/2009 @ 3:37pm
Typo,
In my post above the first part of my timeline is wrong.
The North Tower was hit (anybody with the President who knew of the hit thought it was an accident), then the President began reading to the kids.
I have it backwards in my sentence above.
If it was thought to be an accident, no reason at that point to not begin reading to the kids.
Posted by sjchermak at 03/20/2009 @ 3:38pm
Get a girlfriend
sure I'd love to, but my wife would certainly object.
Posted by emile duBois at 03/20/2009 @ 3:27pm
That reminds me of a line in the movie Master and Commander. They all raise their drinks for a toast and the commander says, "to wives and sweethearts......may they never meet".
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 03/20/2009 @ 3:42pm
kat827618,
You said (above about President Obama) ".....He irks the Neo-cons, and I'm glad...."
Along the same lines, the next President of the United States, Sarah Palin, irks libs, and that makes ME glad.
Now, incoming is a comment from Mask 5..4..3..2..1
Posted by sjchermak at 03/20/2009 @ 3:43pm
he's NOT George Bush.
Something to remind ourselves, even if or when things don't go smoothly.
Posted by FDR43 at 03/20/2009 @ 3:28pm
Ditto on that one!!
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 03/20/2009 @ 3:44pm
a star vs a clown
works for me.
Posted by emile duBois at 03/20/2009 @ 2:57pm
Score, Emile 1, Liv 0
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 03/20/2009 @ 3:35pm
I'd rather be a clown in the real world instead of a star in the theatre of the absurdity of bankruptcy that you leftists are creating.
Posted by antisocialist at 03/20/2009 @ 3:45pm
I'd rather be a clown in the real world instead of a star in the theatre of the absurdity of bankruptcy that you leftists are creating.
Posted by antisocialist at 03/20/2009 @ 3:45pm
The bankruptcy you mention, senior clownboy, was created by your absurd rightist theories of laissez faire. Pure greed of neocons has been the cause of this, not any leftist agenda. Do you actually live on the same planet we do? This is the Earth, the year is 2009, we just came off of 8 years of George W Bush as president with 6 of those last 8 years with a republican controlled congress. Get a clue!! Obama hasn't been president long enough to cause this shit!
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 03/20/2009 @ 3:54pm
Wife? I thought about getting one of those, but I hear they're expensive. Posted by schnellerheinz at 03/20/2009 @ 3:28pm | ignore this person | warn this person
nah, you just have to find one that does all the work, as is the custom in much of the world.
"if you wanna be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife"
Posted by emile duBois at 03/20/2009 @ 3:57pm
FDR43,
You say President Bush was an "....elitist plutocrat..."
What you know about President Bush would not be enough to fill the space on the head of a pin.
Mr. Bush was the opposite of an elitist, he was the most down to earth President we have ever had, not full of himself or obsessed about his legacy as other Presidents were.
He came from a wealthy family. So what? A lot of lib politicians come from wealthy families, also. (Except for John F. Kerry, who marries into them).
(Yes, Cccomfo1, write me another ticket for discourse violation for that last comment. I plead guilty)
Posted by sjchermak at 03/20/2009 @ 3:59pm
<<No, it's not. Obama has deeply internalized his distaste for the disabled. He didn't think twice about mocking them and obviously didn't recognize that anything was wrong with it until some staffer pointed it out. Do you routinely make jokes about the physically and mentally disabled, Ms. Savan? Posted by Henrietta_G_Tavish>>
What I found laughable isn't the Special Olympics "joke" itself--it's more of a thoughtless comeback than anything ha, ha--but the idea that the remark somehow revealed a mean-spirited Obama beneath a nice-guy facade. In truth, I don't think it revealed anything other than that we all make dumb small talk at times. And, Cannonball, good points. For the record, while I'll use the word "dumb" 'cause it's gone far beyond its original meaning, the snarky use of "retard" and "tard" make me sick.
Posted by leslie_savan at 03/20/2009 @ 4:01pm
Wolfgang1,
You just called antisocialist a "clownboy".
You must be related to Phillip McCrevice, who called me and YourJomamma "assclowns" one time and who also calls others "NeoClowns".
Does this fixation with clowns come from the fact that liberalism is like being in a three-ring circus?
(another discourse violation! - guilty as charged)
Posted by sjchermak at 03/20/2009 @ 4:05pm
That;s hilarious to hear coming from you who calls the President Magic Negro. Don't try to play PC now because it involves Obama bashing. Especially since the other day you basically blamed black people for everything that is wrong with this nation.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 03/20/2009 @ 2:45pm
I call him Magic, it is YOU (and others) who adds the "Negro" behind "Magic" in each barb thrown my way....typical race-based identity politics of the Demo Party!
Depending on issues or bowling scores and such, I can add much more pertinent wordings after "Magic" and I have often done, today, 2 months exactly since Inauguration, I'd have to say, Obama is our Magic Idiot playing up to his natural ability!
Also, please don't slander me...accusing me in your "Don't try to play PC". I NEVER PLAY PC! Recall one of the biggest reason I like Rush....free speech or die!
I don't actually blame "black people for everything that is wrong with this nation". Truth is, black folks are collateral damage from the Great Society forced on you by `good-hearted' liberals. IF we could all be evaluated and compensated based on `good intentions', wouldn't that be just dandy....heaven on earth!
Posted by Happy at 03/20/2009 @ 4:05pm
Does this fixation with clowns come from the fact that liberalism is like being in a three-ring circus?
(another discourse violation! - guilty as charged)
Posted by sjchermak at 03/20/2009 @ 4:05pm
Actually, I called him Senior Clownboy, but he was the one admitting to being the clown in the first place.
So, you can't argue with the rest of what I said because you know it to be true. So, which political philosophy has proven itself over the last eight years to be the three ring circus? Throw Rush Limbaugh in there and Barnum and Baileys Circus is out of business.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 03/20/2009 @ 4:12pm
The real question I believe is what Obama believes is necessary to keep the financial system from becoming a set of "zombie" institutions kept afloat by how much additional public funding.
In this regard Obama's appearance follows Bernanke on 60 Minutes and Summers on ABC. The message has been consistently that more funds are necessary to keep credit flowing while at the same time displaying the appropriate degree of outrage. Necessary because every indication is the public opposes any further public spending to support these institutions, while this administration remains committed a banking system that has become valued at 150% of our real GDP, bloated and inefficient, and needs to shrink.
It isn't Geithner. It is about what Obama proposes for the resolution of our credit crisis, and how far is this administration willing to go to maintain a "private market" solution and a financial structure much as it has been.
The insistence on maintaining a financial order that has failed is the real mistake Japan made in the nineties and the US made in the thirties. Until the financial system is restructured to some form of efficiency, we are likely to remain stuck with a slow and ineffective economy and with high unemployment and increasing public anger.
It would be useful if a progressive movement could propose a more activist defense of social and economic insurance program including a direct state takeover of these banks as the RTC did previously and the FDIC does all the time. The belief private market solutions are inherently better than state responses is more an unfalsifiable act of faith than empirically demonstrated.
Charlie M.
Posted by cmsandia at 03/20/2009 @ 4:12pm
Truth is, black folks are collateral damage from the Great Society forced on you by `good-hearted' liberals......
Happy, Are you for real? So, are you implying that liberal society forced Africans into slave ships, brought them over here and put them to work and that the collateral damage of freeing these slaves by the good hearted liberals is what has damaged this country?!
I don't know what the hell kind of hallucinogens you are on, but they must be at least a weeks pay of your stock dividends because you are loaded pal.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 03/20/2009 @ 4:20pm
Charlie M.
Posted by cmsandia at 03/20/2009 @ 4:12pm
Good Post Charlie.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 03/20/2009 @ 4:22pm
"On the lib side on this thread we have snowball666 implying negative about President Bush reading books to kids on the morning of 9/11 - ignoring (or mabye not) the fact that the President began reading to the kids, then the North Tower was hit, when the President was notified all officials around him still thought it was an accident, when the South Tower was hit at 9:03 am it then became apparent we were under attack." Posted by sjchermak at 03/20/2009 @ 3:32pm
Revising history, or just confused, SJ?
The North Tower was hit while the motorcade was on it's way to the school. Bush later said (twice in fact) that he'd actually SEEN video of that plane hitting the tower before entering the classroom. The public first saw video of the first hit many hours later.
It was the second tower that was hit while Bush was in the classroom, where he was informed by Andrew Card of the second hit.
"Nobody was sure what was really happening, or why. President Bush was supposed to immediately leave, scaring the children in the class..." Posted by sjchermak at 03/20/2009 @ 3:32pm
According to the Bush Administration, in the famous video of Bush sitting in front of the class, Andrew Card told President Bush, "America is under attack." Yet our President just sat there.
Yes, the President should have immediately excused himself. "I'm sorry children, but as the President, I am frequently called away on urgent business."
Instead, he chose to sit there, potentially endangering those very children for, as you note, "nobody was sure what was really happening." The President could have been one of the targets, and staying there made that school a target.
Posted by Radscal at 03/20/2009 @ 4:49pm
what Bush should have done, is get a megaphone and told the kids that the people who attacked us will hear from us.
that would have been an even bigger fairy tale than the pet goat.
Posted by emile duBois at 03/20/2009 @ 5:12pm
Radscal,
First, I corrected myself - well before your posting - as to when the North Tower was hit and the President began reading.
Second, you are doing exactly what I said has happened over the years- parsing the events with your opinion of what should have happened.
You have put your opinion of what the President should have done.
If he had done that, he would have been condemned for doing that also, for scaring the kids - and worse yet, the wingnuts who believe in conspiracies would have cited that as "proof" that the President was in on the whole thing to start with and knew what was going to happen before it happened and the quick response was scripted, etc.
So it is a no-win situation for President Bush -the proverbial "damned if you do and damned if you don't" scenario.
Posted by sjchermak at 03/20/2009 @ 5:45pm
The bankruptcy you mention, senior clownboy, was created by your absurd rightist theories of laissez faire. Pure greed of neocons has been the cause of this, not any leftist agenda. Do you actually live on the same planet we do? This is the Earth, the year is 2009, we just came off of 8 years of George W Bush as president with 6 of those last 8 years with a republican controlled congress. Get a clue!! Obama hasn't been president long enough to cause this shit!
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 03/20/2009 @ 3:54pm
We have never had laissez faire in this country; that is just typical leftist BS.
And we had 4 of the 8 years controlled by a Democratic Senate.
And this mess was caused beginning with the creation of the Federal Reserve, magnafied by FDR, and then made worse by virtually every Congress, Republican and Democrat since FDR.
And it was Franklin Raines and the Clinton Administration that pushed through the legislation that Gramm endorsed on derivatives.
Bush had ZERO to do with it.
And Obama has nothing to do with our downfall?
He supported and still supports the bailouts.
He is the one with trillions in deficit spending proposals.
you live an in alternate reality
Posted by antisocialist at 03/20/2009 @ 5:53pm
Reading books to school children and taking vacations didn't make Bush a bad president. Attacking another nation that hadn't attacked us resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths, authorizing torure, suspending Habeas Corpus, spying on us, and mocking the deaths of other people, from hiding soldier's caskets to the dumb "where are those WMD's?" makes him a bad president. And a war criminal. And a tyrant. And the hero of some authoritarian types in this country. See the difference?
For the record, to the extent that Obama continues some or all of these policies, he's no hero either. Have a conscious, drop the partisan crap, and stand up for the Constitution already, OK?
Posted by dhyde7723 at 03/20/2009 @ 6:03pm
If it was thought to be an accident, no reason at that point to not begin reading to the kids.
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First, I corrected myself - well before your posting - as to when the North Tower was hit and the President began reading.
Second, you are doing exactly what I said has happened over the years- parsing the events with your opinion of what should have happened.
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First, you admitted you got the timeline completeley wrong, but never admitted you got the other part completely wrong about Bush thinking it was an accident.
Second, your lame 'point' about parsing the events amounts to saying 'So, so what?'
And third, the point is that your Presnit sat there, after being told our country is under attack, and read 'My Pet Goat' instead of calmly rising, smiling at the children, and saying, 'I'm sorry kids, my aide will need to read this story to you because something important has just come up that needs my attention as President. But don't worry, he's a better reader than I am anyway. Bye now.'
But apparently, you remain in full 'con' mode all the time and are incapable of simply admitting that both you, and he, got it wrong.
Posted by Lillian at 03/20/2009 @ 6:29pm
And this mess was caused beginning with the creation of the Federal Reserve, magnafied by FDR, and then made worse by virtually every Congress, Republican and Democrat since FDR.
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If we translate this from the native language of the 'whacko, right-fringe, wing-nut, hyper-partisan' into English, we get...
...'IT'S ALL THE DIRTY EVIL DEMOCRATS FAULT!'.
(No logic or objectively critical thought need apply.)
Posted by Lillian at 03/20/2009 @ 6:34pm
...'IT'S ALL THE DIRTY EVIL DEMOCRATS FAULT!'.
(No logic or objectively critical thought need apply.)
Posted by Lillian at 03/20/2009 @ 6:34pm
I don't want to accuse you having reading comprehension problems, but I may have to anyway.
Nowhere did I say it's all the Dems fault.
Republicans were involved in the Federal Reserve and if you actually bothered to read before posting your snide remarks, you would have noticed what I said.
"and then made worse by virtually every Congress, Republican and Democrat since FDR.
Posted by antisocialist at 03/20/2009 @ 5:53pm"
Seems I was pretty inclusive of both parties Lillian.
Posted by antisocialist at 03/20/2009 @ 6:56pm
Hi SJ
Yes, I read down to your correction of your timeline a while after writing my post. I should have noted your correction in a separate posting. Sorry.
As for "damned if you do..."
When my Commander in Chief is notified that our Country is under attack, I want him/her to stop WHATEVER she/he is doing, and TAKE COMMAND, immediately.
Some may have then criticized what commands he gave, but I can't imagine anyone criticizing him for excusing himself from a photo-op in Florida to attend to the office of President at that moment.
Posted by Radscal at 03/20/2009 @ 7:12pm
Do you routinely make jokes about the physically and mentally disabled, Ms. Savan? Under what circumstances? Do you think that the Tonight Show was a good forum for that sort of humor?
I wonder if Bush making a film HIMSELF and looking under his desk in the oval office for WMD's missing in Iraq was an appropriate 'sort of humor?'
Posted by erazma at 03/20/2009 @ 9:00pm
Several news outlets said Obama was "dumbing down" the presidency by appearing with Leno.
Bush couldn't go on "talk" TV because Peewee Herman doesn't have a show any more, and Leno is "dumbing down"???
Posted by dtroutma at 03/20/2009 @ 10:01pm
Bush had ZERO to do with it.
And Obama has nothing to do with our downfall?
He supported and still supports the bailouts.
He is the one with trillions in deficit spending proposals.
you live an in alternate reality
Posted by antisocialist at 03/20/2009 @ 5:53pm
Good God Man, You are thicker than a reinforced nuclear holding tank 75 feet underground.
Bush has nothing to do with any of this? What about the last 8 years of politicizing every regulatory agency within the U.S. government for starters? Putting neanderthals in charge of the energy commission; letting the nuclear industry decide what is safe and not safe for the populace; backing every conceivable big business venture no matter how detrimental to the environment, the people of this country, or even our economy was of no concern to your messiah George W Bush and his administration.
Get a clue. Once again, Obama hasn't been president long enough to do any damage. I'll throw in with you on one thing. Clinton aided and abetted with the deregulation, but the rest has been Ronnie and W mostly. Bush senior has been the only president since Ike that hasn't completely disgraced himself and his country.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 03/20/2009 @ 10:13pm
Bush senior has been the only president since Ike that hasn't completely disgraced himself and his country.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 03/20/2009 @ 10:13pm | ignore
I"ll take that back. Gerald Ford also wasn't in office long enough to do anything one way or the other. He did manage, however, to pardon Nixon which was and still is highly questionable. Even considering Ford was Nixon's vice president, Nixon was guilty of far more than a blowjob wouldn't you say?
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 03/20/2009 @ 10:15pm
We have never had laissez faire in this country; that is just typical leftist BS. .... Posted by antisocialist at 03/20/2009 @ 5:53pm
Liv, Let me get this straight just for the record. Do you think Milton Friedman's approach was correct? His laissez faire business model?
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 03/20/2009 @ 10:22pm
I think we both do. But mine's got a nicer endgame.
Posted by snowball666 at 03/20/2009 @ 8:09pm
I think we have to let history be the referee on that.
Posted by antisocialist at 03/20/2009 @ 10:26pm
I think we have to let history be the referee on that.
Posted by antisocialist at 03/20/2009 @ 10:26pm
History already has been the referee on that Liv. It was called the Great Depression. Your way sucks to the nth degree (ask Bernanke, he has a PhD on the subject). Let's see what a different approach does shall we? P.S. I don't know if bailing out all of these banks is the answer either, but history has shown what the alternative of not bailing them out did.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 03/20/2009 @ 10:37pm
History already has been the referee on that Liv. It was called the Great Depression. Your way sucks to the nth degree (ask Bernanke, he has a PhD on the subject). Let's see what a different approach does shall we? P.S. I don't know if bailing out all of these banks is the answer either, but history has shown what the alternative of not bailing them out did.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 03/20/2009 @ 10:37pm
I know the left loves to attempt this canard, but there is no resemblance between the Hoover Administration, the economic dynamic of that day, and the economic system and governing of the Bush administration. It makes a nice sound bit for the ignorant, but it is devoid of fact.
Posted by antisocialist at 03/20/2009 @ 10:43pm
I would like to further expand on the Obama correction of the failing banking system. The tax payers are bailing these banks out, and the banks failed which in turn means that the senior management high level employees calling the shots lined their pockets and ran their companies into the ground.
The first move should be to ready the ship for sail. Get rid of the cancer that caused the downfall in the fist place. In short, there shouldn't be rewards for selling out the business for self profit which the CEO's and people in the group in question have done.
The second move should be an antitrust action against huge corporations from being able to do this again in the financial sector.
Lastly, the jackasses involved in this for self gain throug malfeasance, should be have trial dates set and if found guilty, have their guilty asses thrown in jail for a good 30 year or so to think about their greed.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 03/20/2009 @ 10:50pm
Posted by antisocialist at 03/20/2009 @ 10:43pm
Liv, So, you truly think that letting the entire banking system collapse is a good thing? If I may say, this is somewhat ironic. The very capitalistic system you rant and rave about is about to crash and burn, and you are saying let it crash?
Any ideas after it crashes? Just survival of the fittest? Hopefully you don't have a neighbor who doesn't like you and want what you have ( he might very well be an NRA guy with lots of guns). LOL
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 03/20/2009 @ 10:59pm
Liv, So, you truly think that letting the entire banking system collapse is a good thing? If I may say, this is somewhat ironic. The very capitalistic system you rant and rave about is about to crash and burn, and you are saying let it crash?
Any ideas after it crashes? Just survival of the fittest? Hopefully you don't have a neighbor who doesn't like you and want what you have ( he might very well be an NRA guy with lots of guns). LOL
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 03/20/2009 @ 10:59pm
It won't completely collapse. The good banks will buy up some assets. In other cases, new banks will be formed. That's why we have a commercial bankruptcy system and a provision to allow regulators to seize banks.
Posted by antisocialist at 03/20/2009 @ 11:12pm
It won't completely collapse. The good banks will buy up some assets. In other cases, new banks will be formed. That's why we have a commercial bankruptcy system and a provision to allow regulators to seize banks.
Posted by antisocialist at 03/20/2009 @ 11:12pm
If you are referring to the FDIC, I have a bulletin for you. A lot of banks haven't been paying into this as of late......for about eight or ten years. Something to do with republican congressional oversight of the banking industry.
So, if there is a run on the banks, the same damn thing will happen as in the 1920's. They don't have the cash on hand to pay to the receiver (that would be the folks with their money in the bank).
People can shine up the B.S. all they like, but the plain simple truth is that all of this is a con game and banks are the leading con man. As long as everyone thinks their life's savings is safe in a bank, the game works, but if everyone panics and tries to pull their money out at once, the game is over.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 03/20/2009 @ 11:28pm
gee, he's been in office less than two months, and already taking a vacation? Will the left be dressing him down like they did Bush? Probably not.
Posted by twillie at 03/20/2009 @ 11:30pm
"Truth is, black folks are collateral damage from the Great Society forced on you by `good-hearted' liberals...... Happy, Are you for real? So, are you implying that liberal society forced Africans into slave ships, brought them over here and put them to work and that the collateral damage of freeing these slaves by the good hearted liberals is what has damaged this country?! I don't know what the hell kind of hallucinogens you are on, but they must be at least a weeks pay of your stock dividends because you are loaded pal." Posted by Wolfgang1 at 03/20/2009 @ 4:20pm
Hate to break it to you, wolf, but the welfare policies of the sixties DESTROYED the two-parent black family. In the fifties, most African American kids were born into two-parent families. Now, 70 % are born to single mothers. It is a tragedy that whites in general, and libs in particular, ignore.
Posted by twillie at 03/20/2009 @ 11:47pm
He has hurt many families in America. He needs to say he is sorry in the public, not to an organization.
In addition, someone who claims to have experienced prejudice and stereotypes throughout life, and has written about them in great detail, should be more sensitive and refined from life's lessons.
Furthermore, Obama claimed he was going to have the world think 'highly' of America again. Will this joke help?
For someone who spoke of equality as a creed. Does this joke match that philosophy?
For someone that said he would stand for all people. Does this stand up for those that participate in the Special Olympics?
The fact is Obama claimed a higher standard. To much is given, much is required.
Obama has just showed us that 'yes we can' destroy what a campaign stands for with a single joke.
During the campaign for the White House in 2008, the media criticized Palin for being ‘common,' 'not-polished,' 'not-compassionate' and ‘not presidential.' However, compare Sarah Palins attitude in this video created three weeks ago for the Special Olympics in Boise, Idaho.
You decide the more ‘presidential' among them. Watch: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ccz6nj">http://tinyurl.com/ccz6nj</a>
Posted by jaxllc at 03/21/2009 @ 01:33am
I saw an overly cocky, almost arrogant and dismissive person, who seems so full of himself that it was embarrassing.
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Larry, that couldn't possibly have been a TV you were looking at.
More likely...
...it was a mirror.
Posted by Lillian at 03/21/2009 @ 01:57am
That set up was just too perfect. Must resist temptation to make distasteful joke about routinely mocking the mentally disabled that appear on these boards.
Posted by Misheley at 03/20/2009 @ 1:44pm
No Mishley...go ahead. We could use a good laugh at some self-deprecating humor right now.
Posted by fram at 03/21/2009 @ 04:22am
That;s hilarious to hear coming from you who calls the President Magic Negro.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 03/20/2009 @ 2:45pm
No Ccc, you are wrong again. "Magic Negro" came from a black man writing for the L.A. Times.
Posted by fram at 03/21/2009 @ 04:26am
In my opinion the President plugged the Special Olympics. Those children are challenged. Why pretend they are not? He is a challenged bowler...they are challenged cognitively. I think it does not help the cause of the Special Olympics or any program for children or people to disguise or protect the truth. He did not say that the Special Olympics was not a worthy cause or that he dislikes those children. The news from the Tonight Show should focus on his skills in teaching. He taught us more about what is really going on with AIG then the worthless, sensationalist bi-partisan press.
Posted by truthandjustice at 03/21/2009 @ 07:40am
As usual this topic thread gets a bit off the mark by the 5th or so, comment, I'll follow the others who are off topic from the original article and ask why has absolutely no attention has been paid to Mr Leno's preceding comment when he asked President Obama, (on the assumption the President might be thoroughly disgruntled with his bowling ability), if he had "burned and torn down," the bowling lanes yet.
So Mr Leno's stereotypical racial slur is entirely ignored because we all know that the presumed first reaction of a possibly angry black man would be to torch the object of his anger.
Is this an example of liberal bias in the press?
Back to the last question in the original article, dump Geithner and bring on Spitzer, check it out over at Slate, or Alternet or at CounterPunch
Posted by dadofone at 03/21/2009 @ 09:33am
Reasoned arguments only fall on rational ears.
Lies, ignorance and obfuscations nonetheless must be, as a matter of course refuted, of course, but still.
The arguments tendered here are, for the scale upon which they are focused, not that bad, to good.
But again ... it is the system that has died, not this or that company or such and such policy, but the mechanism, the engine, of the system itself.
Trying to fix it, "in situ," in place, as is, is like unto trying to put a sonic boom (which is what, modeled, the blowout looked like mathematically, when it happened ...) "back" (an insane proposition at best) into the supersonic engine of which it has a causal relationship.
The monetarist abstractions, deliberately decoupled from the real economy, have disintegrated, are died and gone.
The world economy in the process or better the throes of shrinking, is following suit.
This is not what has gone before. At least not in the lifetimes of those present.
Posted by V at 03/21/2009 @ 1:55pm
That 55% below the poverty line in 1962 didn't cause any dads to have to leave town to seek work elsewhere AS YOU'RE PARTY WOULD INSIST THEY DO. 67% 2007 Nationally, the percentage of black families containing a married-couple family. From Factfinder.census.gov 17.8% 2007 Nationally, percentage of single-parent, black female homes...are you SURE it isn't just a rise in single mothers? But really, besides Melanin, what IS your excuse, whitey? Posted by snowball666 at 03/21/2009 @ 08:23am
i suggest you check your facts. According to census.gov, only 37% of african american chidren lived in a 2 parent household in 2008.
Posted by twillie at 03/21/2009 @ 5:03pm
I'd hardly call putting a little red laser on the foreclosure crisis with a visit to BadBankMecca and then a single appearance on Leno before he flies back to the Whitehouse a vacation. Posted by snowball666 at 03/21/2009 @ 08:42am
I would. Especially since Bush got charged with a vacation every time he went outside the beltway. Double standard anyone?
Posted by twillie at 03/21/2009 @ 5:06pm
Bush gets slammed because he went to boring ol' Texas. Clinton took 133 trips to foreign countries during his time. The press much prefers those assignments.
Posted by twillie at 03/21/2009 @ 5:16pm
According to census.gov, only 37% of african american chidren lived in a 2 parent household in 2008.
Posted by twillie at 03/21/2009 @ 5:03pm
Wonder how many of that "37% of african american chidren" live with their (grand)parents?
Posted by Happy at 03/21/2009 @ 7:06pm
Posted by twillie at 03/21/2009 @ 5:03pm
And aside from being totally masturbatory, I would ask your point is what?
If I gave a damn that is. All that would do is give you the pretense of being relevant.
In any case Snowball was right, it was the the assault on the extended family relationships that had the greatest by far impact, to anyone but fools.
Posted by V at 03/21/2009 @ 9:24pm
Posted by V at 03/21/2009 @ 9:24pm
Here's my point. i'll spell it out so even you can understand it V.
The "war on poverty", courtesy of the Dems, destroyed the African American two-parent family. Rather than admitting they were wrong, the Dems just kept it up for 40 years.
And if snowball will offer up false statistics on this, then what else is he/she bullshitting about? The "assault on the extended family relationships"?? What in the hell are you on about? Check back in with us when you have something substantive
Posted by twillie at 03/21/2009 @ 11:45pm
"Here's my point. i'll spell it out so even you can understand it V. "
First, it is not a matter of understanding, but character. It was not the programs but what they were in the end twisted (out of all recognition) into.
If you were psychologically capable of searching let alone finding the truth, such would have been self evident.
"The "assault on the extended family relationships"?? What in the hell are you on about?"
See above.
"Check back in with us when you have something substantive."
Lol, I am no where near to being close to giving you that much credit, as the "us" you reference, is as I have said before, the failed and failing, 15% ass end dregs subset (psychologically if not morally aligned with the confederacy) of a culture.
Posted by twillie at 03/21/2009 @ 11:45pm
Posted by V at 03/22/2009 @ 08:09am
I never cease to be amazed by the Right Wing's robotic ability to lie through their teeth, deny the realities that are apparent to everyone else, and to be overtly bullying, hypocritical and racist at will..
This is the behavior of sociopaths.
Thanks to all who reminded us about Katrina, two wars, the criminality, and Bush's extended periods of abandoning his job while on his so-called 'vacations'. We will be in big trouble if we forget those things or let them slide.
As for the disabled comment...get off it. We need to be able to accept an apology and move on. And I'm disabled. You don't see me going into histrionics about it.
It's more infuriating and obscene to cut funding for the Special Olympics than it is to make a self deprecating verbal gaffe about them.
Posted by milliamillia at 03/22/2009 @ 11:20am
Lol, I am no where near to being close to giving you that much credit, as the "us" you reference, is as I have said before, the failed and failing, 15% ass end dregs subset (psychologically if not morally aligned with the confederacy) of a culture. Posted by twillie at 03/21/2009 @ 11:45pm Posted by V at 03/22/2009 @ 08:09am
Actually, the "us" I was referring to, are the many posters on both sides of the political spectrum who post thoughtful things here.
Posted by twillie at 03/22/2009 @ 4:29pm
Will someone please tell Obama he won the election so he'll quit campaigning.
Posted by bleedingheart at 03/22/2009 @ 8:35pm
Antisocialist:
I know you think you have a clue, but really you link together things that aren't actually causative with things that aren't actually effected by them. Your history of derivatives, while chronological to a degree aren't actually connected in the manner you might assume. Just because things happen in a certain order over the years doesn't mean that they are necesarily dependent upon that chronology. The creation of mortgage backed securities and credit default swaps predated the law Clinton signed in 2000. That law simply expanded the orginators beyond investment banks and wire houses. That AIG began to speculate in its own market is like a professional baseball coach betting on the NBA games.
You should consider posting less, too. Your discussion always leads to the same lame criticisms of liberal policies lacking substance or support. We've heard it all before. The rest of you should just ignore those rants and he would stop posting them. Engaging him always leads to the equivalant of school yard taunts: "nuh huh" and "says you".
Posted by Cannonball at 03/23/2009 @ 09:02am
What ANTI-SOCKS wrote (03/20/2009 @ 2:31pm):
"I saw an overly cocky, almost arrogant and dismissive person, who seems so full of himself that it was embarrassing.
That anyone could find this side of Obama appealing means that the cult of Obama is now well penetrated into the supposed liberal purists.
What a shame that the office has gone to his head so badly that he seems nothing like candidate Obama, or perhaps this is the real side of him now revealed?"
... And using the logic that conservaLosers are natural born liars and the sleaziest of the sleazy snake oil salesmen, here is what the self-appointed Holy Man, Pastor False Wintness, was r-e-a-l-l-y signifying:
"I saw an overly cocky, almost arrogant and dismissive person, who seems so full of himself that it was embarrassing AS HE EMERGED ON THE DECK OF USS LINCOLN IN A FLIGHT SUIT COSTUME, THUS MARRYING CRUDE HOLLYWOOD PHONINESS TO THE FABRICATION OF HIS OWN EFFEMINATE GOLD-BRICKING SELF AS SOME KIND OF -- GET THIS NOW! -- SOME KIND OF UBER-MANLY WARRIOR!!.
That anyone could find this side of GEORGE W LOSER appealing means that the cult of W LOSER is now well penetrated into the supposed CONSERVALOSER purists WHO HAVE STIFFIES FOR THEIR "AFFIRMATVE ACTION FOR THE RICH" EXEC.
What a shame that the office THAT WAS AFFIRMATIVE ACTIONED TO HIM BY DADDY'S APPOINTEES has gone to his head so badly that he seems nothing like candidate W LOSER ("NOT A DIVIDER"), or perhaps this "I'LL FIGHT DOGGEDLY TO THE LAST DROP OF OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS'S BLOOD is the real side of him now revealed?"
Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 03/23/2009 @ 09:41am
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Posted by DONT.TREADONME at 03/24/2009 @ 11:52am