Jindal Doesn't Levitate to the Occasion

posted by Ari Berman on 02/25/2009 @ 11:33am

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Ronald Reagan gave us "voodoo economics." Dennis Kucinich spotted a UFO. Credit Bobby Jindal for making "magnetic levitation" and "volcano monitoring" national buzzwords.

The Louisiana boy wonder has always been an eccentric fellow, converting from Hinduism to Catholicism in high school, changing his name from Piyush to Bobby and reportedly participating in an exorcism in college (at Brown, no less!). He's signed legislation as Governor of Louisiana to chemically castrate sex offenders and recently refused to accept extended unemployment benefits for his economically depressed state as part of the stimulus.

His folksy demeanor, on display in his response to Obama last night, helps to conceal his hard right politics.

Jindal's entire speech revolved around the idea that Americans couldn't rely on the government to solve their problems, trotting out a fancy bit of revisionist history about Hurricane Katrina to prove his point. (I always thought Katrina was evidence of what happens when you appoint unqualified cronies to key government positions and "drown government in the bathtub," to quote antitax crusader Grover Norquist.)

If you haven't noticed, a tug of war is under way inside the GOP between pragmatic moderates who want to modernize the party and recognize that government has a role to play in improving people's lives--such as Arnold Schwarzenegger and Charlie Crist--and primarily Southern governors like Jindal, South Carolina's Mark Sanford and Mississippi's Haley Barbour, who want to slash taxes, cut social services and reject government help at a moment of economic crisis. Judging by his speech last night and the GOP caucus on Capitol Hill, the right-wing Southerners are winning the war.

David Brooks, who represents the former view, candidly discussed his thoughts about Jindal and the future of the GOP on the NewsHour last night, describing the speech and the ideology it represented as "insane," "nihilist" and "a disaster for the Republican Party." Take a look:

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Did anyone else feel like they were watching Doug Henning when Jindal offered his rebuttal? "Americans can do aaanything! Welcome to the wonderful world of illusion."

Watching Brooks' response to Jindal was one of my favorite moments last night. He was as ashamed of his party's response as he was complimentary to Obama. I personally hope the GOP keeps up with this irrelevant and disproved nonsense to ensure socially responsible progressives and Democrats hold on to the reins for years to come.

Posted by HAL9000 at 02/25/2009 @ 11:49am
The left has been so busy trying to convince Americans through the MSM (see MSNBC and CNN) and on websites like the Nation that for America to move forward, there can be only one be a liberal political view and choice.

They vigorously protest when conservatives like myself state that the left wants only a totalitarian socialist country.

Yet, article after article, and on news program after program, the left castigates conservatives for the audacity to continue to offer the American people an alternative to their socialist agenda.

Marx, Lenin, Mao, and even Stalin would be proud of the American left and the Nation magazine.

Posted by antisocialist at 02/25/2009 @ 11:49am
"an alternative to their socialist agenda."

which is: more tax cuts. and more tax cuts are precisely the wrong thing to do right now.

"Marx, Lenin, Mao, and even Stalin would be proud of the American left and the Nation magazine."

if you actually believe this, then you (clearly) need to re-read marx and engels. if marx were around today to witness how the GOP has used his name, and his ideas, then he wouldn't stop throwing up.

Posted by darladoon at 02/25/2009 @ 12:01pm
Jindals politics are fine but his delivery was horrible, where as Obamas delivery was fine but his policy is horrible.

I would love to have Obama deliver Jindals policy.

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 12:04pm
Jindal should take a page from Obama's book and talk to the public as though they are adults. Instead we get a dumbed down, irrelevant GOP talking point re-spew, delivered as though the target audience was a group of four-year-olds with attention deficit disorder.

"Make sure you say 'Americans can do aaaaanything' at least 50 times during the speech, Bobby, and you'll do just grrrrreat!"

Posted by HAL9000 at 02/25/2009 @ 12:04pm
"They vigorously protest when conservatives like myself state that the left wants only a totalitarian socialist country."

because the idea that we are becoming a "totalitarian socialist country" is so absurd, so laughable, that nobody can take it seriously, antisocialist.

do you even remember the bush years? especially in the run-up to his two disastrous wars? left wing opposition to his policies was effectively squashed, and the media just ate it up.

and now, suddenly, you are deeply concerned about altnerative views?

Posted by darladoon at 02/25/2009 @ 12:06pm
"I would love to have Obama deliver Jindals policy."

i'm sure you would, but:

a) we already tried jindal's "policy" (i.e. tax cuts), and it failed.

b) the majority of the country doesn't want a)

Posted by darladoon at 02/25/2009 @ 12:09pm
btw, john, will you receive a tax cut or tax increase under obama?

how difficult will obama make your life?

(just curious)

Posted by darladoon at 02/25/2009 @ 12:10pm
jindal was a total joke, and even the far right wing thought the same.

and it wasn't just his delivery (which was atrocious); it was the content. he basically repeated the same, tired laundry list of "ideas" which have failed the country miserably, and which have been thoroughly rejected by the american people in two straight elections.

not only that, but jindal is a complete and utter hypocrite. he lambastes the stimulus, creates a fuss about not taking the money, then takes it anyway.

what a pile of turd!

Posted by darladoon at 02/25/2009 @ 12:13pm
the rains are coming again.....it's planting season, so darla is in full effect.....see ya....

Posted by darladoon at 02/25/2009 @ 12:14pm
They vigorously protest when conservatives like myself state that the left wants only a totalitarian socialist country.---Posted by antisocialist at 02/25/2009 @ 11:49am

Alright, ya'll...you heard Larry...

stop vigorously protesting his paranoia!

Posted by Mask at 02/25/2009 @ 12:18pm
And again, I wonder how HAPP, Ann Coulter, and all the "Haha! 'Barry' Obama...his real name is Barack HUSSEIN Obama" guys feel about...

PIYUSH Jindal???

Posted by Mask at 02/25/2009 @ 12:20pm
>>>The Louisiana boy wonder has always been an eccentric fellow, converting from Hinduism to Catholicism in high school, changing his name from Piyush to Bobby and reportedly participating in an exorcism in college (at Brown, no less!). <<<<

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Jindal. He is not a Rhodes Scholar because he participated in an exorcism, and he CLEARLY is the front runner in 2012 for the Republican nomination.

I have consistently said on The Nation's threads over the last two years that Jindal was the person McCain should have picked if he wanted to win, not because I think he is the most progressive Republican, but because he is smarter and more competent than any other Republican on the national stage, and knows when to to put partisan differences aside and roll up his sleeves to deliver for his constituents.

He was not chosen because of his race - the thought was that "Palin voters" would not embrace someone from India, as they truly think America has become "too foreign" (not sufficiently white).

Look for Jindal to continue to play up his corruption fighting in Louisiana, as this could be Obama's weak spot. I think Rahm has convinced Obama that REAL campaign finance reform that takes money completely out of politics with federally funded elections can wait until next term (or put off indefinitely), and the negative consequences of such delay could be apparent prior to the 2012 election.

Posted by Metteyya at 02/25/2009 @ 12:26pm
Posted by Metteyya at 02/25/2009 @ 12:26pm

METTE, Jindal is not "someone from India"...he was born in Baton Rouge.

And I kind of doubt World Net Daily will demand to see his "real" birth certificate!...heheh

Posted by Mask at 02/25/2009 @ 12:29pm
>>>METTE, Jindal is not "someone from India"...he was born in Baton Rouge.

Posted by Mask at 02/25/2009 @ 12:29pm<<<

I obviously know he was born here - how else could he have a Southern gentleman drawl?

The point I was making is that "in the minds of the Palin voters" Bobby Jindal is DEFINITELY from India!

I don't think that will matter as much in 2012, as I am sure Palin will give Jindal a very strong endorsement and actively campaign for him. It's the Republican's only shot, so I think the racist Republican crowd will just suck it up to try to regain power.

Posted by Metteyya at 02/25/2009 @ 12:37pm
btw, john, will you receive a tax cut or tax increase under obama?

how difficult will obama make your life?

(just curious)

Posted by darladoon at 02/25/2009 @ 12:10pm

I can't answer for John, but I will not be receiving a tax cut from Obama, and it's not because I make too much.

Since I'm self employed and do not have a weekly paycheck, people like myself get ZERO from the Obama "stimulus".

Posted by antisocialist at 02/25/2009 @ 12:41pm
An exorcist in the White House!

After Nancy Reagan's astrologer & Hillary's spirit mediums, just what we need.

But 1st let's test his demon-conquering powers. Send him to Swat to swat out the Taleban.

Here's the man for GOP '12.

Unless Mike Bloomberg buys him out, the way he buys out his Manhattan neighbors & the majority of the NY City Council.

Posted by sloper at 02/25/2009 @ 12:45pm
Posted by Metteyya at 02/25/2009 @ 12:37pm

Heheh...yes, that's true. Frankly, I'm sure a lot of the Big Boys at the RNC are a little stumped. How do they now play down the old racism...the "his real name is"...the "he's not a REAL American" stuff that they tried against Obama...

to propel "Piyush Jindal"?

Nor are they likely to tap the Arctic Prom Queen Granny after all their rants against Tom Daschle and Sarah's "tax mistakes".

I think they'll stick to their good ol' boys like Mark Sanford or Tim Pawlenty.

Posted by Mask at 02/25/2009 @ 12:57pm
BTW, given Jindal's love of Reagan and "core conservative values"...

why isn't he turning down ALL the evil "Porkulus" money!??!!??!

Posted by Mask at 02/25/2009 @ 12:58pm
DARLALOON,

No I will not be getting a tax cut, but will get an increase this year..but I have good accountants...

...but rest assured..I will be going for an Earned income tax credit next year...

Here Darlaloon, check out this site from AP on the "ERRORS" from Obamas speech last night...

It might be an A in public school, but elsewhere it might be considered..ah, not exactly true..

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090225/D96IFSC80.html

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 1:10pm
>>>I think they'll stick to their good ol' boys like Mark Sanford or Tim Pawlenty.

Posted by Mask at 02/25/2009 @ 12:57pm<<<

These guys may run, but they have no chance of beating Obama in 2012.

The good ol' boy thing is passe in national politics, so unless you can connect with ordinary folks - forget it!

Posted by Metteyya at 02/25/2009 @ 1:11pm
Posted by antisocialist at 02/25/2009 @ 11:49am

My God. Are you so brainwashed that you can't see that every day you come on here and castigate the left for offering their view point and saying that they just want to destroy America. You claim that liberals are dangerous to this country and their socialist agenda must be stopped, which is essentially saying that the liberal view point should not exist. You need to get your head checked hypocrite.

On another note. Why is it the right is not offering any actual ideas to solve this problem? This is why the right is reeling backwards right now and is having to remake it's entire identity. They don't offer any IDEAS they just criticize the people who are trying to fix the problems. Maybe if the Republican party wants to remake itself, it should start bring some ideas to the table instead of just criticism.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 1:16pm
>>>why isn't he turning down ALL the evil "Porkulus" money!??!!??!

Posted by Mask at 02/25/2009 @ 12:58pm <<<

Jindal really is smart enough to channel Reagan when it helps him get votes, but govern with some sense of what is required to get things done for your constituents.

Even Reagan RAISED taxes 7 out of 8 years when he was president. Jindal clearly knows this, but will use Reagan rhetorically to his political advantage.

The downside to this, is most young voters that Obama appeals to do not remember Ronald Reagan at all.

Posted by Metteyya at 02/25/2009 @ 1:19pm
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 1:16pm

Don't forget, CCC...this is the same lvlib who a while back said he wished we could BAN labor unions and said that such associations had no Constitutional protection!

Posted by Mask at 02/25/2009 @ 1:19pm
Hard to imagine T.J. wrote these 200+ years ago.....

John Kennedy once said to a assembled group of scholars in the White House:

"I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered at the White House - with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."

The quotes below could prove his point.

When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe . Thomas Jefferson

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson

It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes.. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world. Thomas Jefferson

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. Thomas Jefferson

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government. Thomas Jefferson

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. Thomas Jefferson

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson

con't

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 1:20pm
In light of the present financial crisis, it's interesting to read what Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:

'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.

Obama and congress should re read Jefferson...if they ever have...before "helping" the economy in the manner in which they are doing now.

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 1:21pm
The contrast between Jindal and Obama is enormous. Obama "talks up" to Americans, making us feel like we all attended Ivy League colleges by making all citizens participatory equals in fixing the dire state of our country. Jindal gives us the same patronizing, dumbed down lecture we've been getting for the past 8 years. Clearly he thinks he is smarter than everyone else, and sin't trying to hide it. Even David Brooks, whom I detest, is not buying into the continuation of extreme conservative rhetoric, so essentially that leaves the GOP with losing many of their centrist party members. All I can say is "HOORAY!!" And if Bobby Jindal really wants to run in 2012, he should seriously consider hiring a good looking stand-in (possbly the young guy from Slumdog Millionaire), as he is just really, really creepy and scary looking. It will be interesting, because Bobby Jindal represents something that I have been hearing conservatives rant hatred about for years- the unattractive, geeky, over-educated foreigner who takes college slots and jobs away from "real" Americans. I can't wait to hear the rationalizations.

Posted by oldintel at 02/25/2009 @ 1:23pm
Posted by antisocialist at 02/25/2009 @ 11:49am

By that way for all of you out there, this shows the deluded nature of someone who has completely been brainwashed.

"Yet, article after article, and on news program after program, the left castigates conservatives for the audacity to continue to offer the American people an alternative to their socialist agenda."

Says the person who harkened to the days of old glory when the Anti-war left would have been shot for treason.

Isn't that someone who wants a totalitarian state where only conservative ideas are espoused? Kind of like.... Nazi Germany.

I guess I will let everyone else decide.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 1:29pm
Posted by Mask at 02/25/2009 @ 1:19pm

This is a typical political stooge. They espouse their beliefs and criticisms while the rest of us laugh at them because they don't see that their criticizing themselves.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 1:30pm
Very funny indeed that the Repubs had to have Jindal give the response as none of their members sitting in Congress the last 8 years subscribed to the "new" face of the discredited GOP......

Posted by OneVote at 02/25/2009 @ 1:32pm
Posted by Mask at 02/25/2009 @ 1:19pm

Oh and besides that by the way his ENTIRE statement COMPLETELY ignores the fact that I can go on google right now and pull up 1,000 quotes from conservatives castigating liberal viewpoints, ranging from minor debate to people saying that all liberals should hung.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 1:38pm
Very funny indeed that the Repubs had to have Jindal give the response as none of their members sitting in Congress the last 8 years subscribed to the "new" face of the discredited GOP...... Posted by OneVote at 02/25/2009 @ 1:32pm

Also doesn't help that most of the members of the GOP took the money even after they made a big stink. You can't convincingly insult the plan if you are taking the money just as quickly as everyone else.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 1:40pm
They vigorously protest when conservatives like myself state that the left wants only a totalitarian socialist country.

Yet, article after article, and on news program after program, the left castigates conservatives for the audacity to continue to offer the American people an alternative to their socialist agenda.

Marx, Lenin, Mao, and even Stalin would be proud of the American left and the Nation magazine.

Posted by antisocialist at 02/25/2009 @ 11:49am

Larry, have you utterly lost your mind? The first point above is beyond bizarre, but like a true fundamentalist minister and self-appointed "authority figure", you maintain that disagreement with your paranoid delusions about totalitarianism constitutes proof of said totalitarianism. Should those of us on the left simply say that you're right, even when your opinions defy anything that remotely represents logic or objective reality? And you call us totalitarian?

On your second point, Larry, there is no socialist agenda in the Obama administration - too bad, really, but there's not. And the country's not ready for that anyway. There is a center-left (the grown-ups call that "moderate liberal") agenda, based on the utterly commie-pinko-anarcho-syndicalist-etc-etc-more-bad-stuff-etc idea that it's hard to have a fully functioning nation unless its inhabitants act as if they have common interests, and are willing to come together once in a while. You know, provide help for those that have fallen on tough times, among other things. Some guy named Jesus of Nazareth used to talk about that sort of stuff. You might consider reading some of that and acting accordingly.

On that last point, Larry, that'd be like our saying that Hitler, Himmler , Goebbels, Pinochet, , the KKK, etc. would approve of American right-wingers.

Posted by jmusolino at 02/25/2009 @ 1:57pm
All I can say is "oh god". Oh wait the unbiased MSNBC "reporter" already said that!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/02/msnbc_oh_god.html

Posted by abell12ct at 02/25/2009 @ 1:59pm
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson"----Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 1:21pm

John, would you cite the EXACT WRITING of Thomas Jefferson where you found this quote????

(BTW, you can't...but it's "truthiness" so it counts, right?)

Posted by Mask at 02/25/2009 @ 2:04pm
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 1:38pm

Actually, jmuso got it right.

I really feel that a goodly portion of the Right, including Larry...is losing their grip on sanity.

And I don't mean that in the usual insulting, hyperbolic way...but an honest psychological assessment.

Think about it...it's all "going away" for him. He had it all once...Repub Congress in full laissez-faire mode and a "born again" President (even purer than Reagan on religion) who was launching a crusade against the infidels....and in a few short years it was all rejected with little chance of it coming back.

Polling showing that even HIS OWN evangelical Christian demographic is shifting...with younger adults less concerned with blocking gay rights or banning abortion, than with the environment and POVERTY!!! In a generation, more people alive in America who remember a "prosperous, peaceful Presidency" under BILL CLINTON...than Ronald Reagan. His televangelist leaders dead or irrelevant or worse...jokes.

And so, what is his response? Why becoming what he once hated. The "people who want this country to fail, just to get their power back or because they hate America!!!!"

Proof?-

"Maybe it will be good to see this country fall..."----Posted by lvliberty1 at 01/27/2009 @ 12:47pm

Partisanship Isn't a Dirty Word posted by Ari Berman on 01/27/2009 @ 11:41am

Posted by Mask at 02/25/2009 @ 2:12pm
Also doesn't help that most of the members of the GOP took the money even after they made a big stink. You can't convincingly insult the plan if you are taking the money just as quickly as everyone else.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 1:40pm

Very true! But you can imagine the lame and hypocritical party line response being drafted at RNC headquarters right now........"forced us to use it or it" or "any money declined would have been spent in other jurisdictions so what could we do"...............

Jindal's support for small government apparently doesn't include the military though does it?

Why is MIC always not considered big government by the Repubs???

hahahahah........rhetorical question.

"Cause if we didn't, we would look like hypocrits and liars"

Posted by OneVote at 02/25/2009 @ 2:13pm
Brilliant and talented Jefferson was, but that doesn't mean he was always right, or always avoided hypocracy.

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 1:20pm

When we get piled upon one another in large cities... -- As if corruption was unknown in rural Amercia, or in rural society as a whole?

The democracy will cease to exist... -- It didn't exist for slaves or free women at all, and only existed in a limited fashion for many freemen because of property requirements for voting.

It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes... -- I imagine Jefferson was pragmatic enough to recognize exceptional situations, but I agree that neither nations nor people should become permanent debtors.

...if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. -- The above is qualified by the word "pretense," kind of like "By any means NECESSARY."

...most bad government results from too much government. -- This is more true in a society of great social extremes than in one of relative equality. In fact, didn't Jefferson criticize societies with gross inequality?

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. --Damn right! Arm the working class!!

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms... -- Ditto.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed... -- Ditto again.

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 1:21pm

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... -- Democrats, Republicans, liberals, conservatives and libertarians freed the banks to take control of our economy and lives. Only populists, leftists and a few of the above objected.

Posted by cka2nd at 02/25/2009 @ 2:14pm
It will be interesting, because Bobby Jindal represents something that I have been hearing conservatives rant hatred about for years- the unattractive, geeky, over-educated foreigner who takes college slots and jobs away from "real" Americans. I can't wait to hear the rationalizations.

Posted by oldintel at 02/25/2009 @ 1:23pm

Jindal was born here, is an American(more than you apprently), is an example that the right correctly points to that anyone can achieve anything here if you have drive and effort...he is a success of his own accord.

I find your racist comments...interesting.

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 2:16pm
John, would you cite the EXACT WRITING of Thomas Jefferson where you found this quote????

(BTW, you can't...but it's "truthiness" so it counts, right?)

Posted by Mask at 02/25/2009 @ 2:04pm | ignore this person | warn this person

Hilarious! Jefferson be turning in his grave.

Posted by OneVote at 02/25/2009 @ 2:18pm
"By overundercapitalizing the financial institutions with privblic funding derived from asset based collateralized minority quasinational institutions of equity liquidity, we will avoid the unnecessary necessity of debt obligations to creditless creditors of corrective action in easing the inflammatory causes of investor cost capital injection size."

Posted by frosty zoom at 02/25/2009 @ 2:29pm
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson"----Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 1:21pm

John, would you cite the EXACT WRITING of Thomas Jefferson where you found this quote????

(BTW, you can't...but it's "truthiness" so it counts, right?)

Posted by Mask at 02/25/2009 @ 2:04pI receive this quote in the past and have been unable to find it...I do have a book on Jefferson and will re read it to find it if it is there..It is Jeffersons writings...

and if he didn't quote it...then drop it...

but it does make sense in any instance no matter who coined it...

The rest are from Jefferson and can be found.

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 2:30pm
Hilarious! Jefferson be turning in his grave.

Posted by OneVote at 02/25/2009 @ 2:18pm

I am sure all of teh FF are spinning in their graves...almost as fast as the propellars on the hats most leftys here wear...a red one.

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 2:31pm
Jindal was born here, is an American(more than you apprently), is an example that the right correctly points to that anyone can achieve anything here if you have drive and effort...he is a success of his own accord. I find your racist comments...interesting. Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 2:16pm

Funny how it applies to him but when Obama was running he was just an Affirmative Action case. I guess when you are a non-white Republican success it's because you work hard. If you are a non-white liberal success it's only because of Affirmative Action.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 2:31pm
I am sure all of teh FF are spinning in their graves...almost as fast as the propellars on the hats most leftys here wear...a red one. Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 2:31pm

Yeah I guess the swastikas you guys wear can't spin eh?

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 2:32pm
Funny how it applies to him but when Obama was running he was just an Affirmative Action case. I guess when you are a non-white Republican success it's because you work hard. If you are a non-white liberal success it's only because of Affirmative Action.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 2:31pm

I don't know if Jindal was a recipient of AF or not, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence....but Obama sure has been...

From private expensive Hawaii school to college...his election to Ill senate was interesting..he ran against ...no one...he had all their names disqualified off the ballot for a variety of paper work infractions.....

which makes one wonder why he wouldn't take the simple step of presenting his own orginal birth certificate instead of the live birth cert from Hawaii...

which if you and I used, we couldn't get a passport or govt job...

and it would kill of the next round of law suits...

I am sure Jindal can provide his in minutes to kill off any questions....

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 2:37pm
Yeah I guess the swastikas you guys wear can't spin eh?

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 2:32pm

Ah, yeah..sure. I am a Nazi..you bet..I believe in less govt, I want keep the fruits of my labors, I do not want big brother nanny govt, I do not want single thought govt..I want others to be responsible for themselves as the FF envisioned and you think this makes one a ...nazi?

Then WTF are you?

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 2:40pm
"And the day will come, when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His Father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva, in the brain of Jupiter."

"If there is one principle more deeply rooted in the mind of every American, it is that we should have nothing to do with conquest."

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."

"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to Liberty. "

"Experience declares that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can think of no milder term to apply to ... the general prey of the rich on the poor."

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."- Why is it every time the left expresses dissent the right says they are unpatriotic?

"I hope [that] we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength and [to] bid defiance to the laws of our country."

"The tax which will be paid for education is not more than the thousandth part of what will be paid to kings, priests and nobles who will rise up if we leave the people to ignorance."

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs."

"The most successful war seldom pays for its losses."

Those are the one's I like Jom.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 2:49pm
Ah, yeah..sure. I am a Nazi..you bet..I believe in less govt, I want keep the fruits of my labors, I do not want big brother nanny govt, I do not want single thought govt..I want others to be responsible for themselves as the FF envisioned and you think this makes one a ...nazi? Then WTF are you? Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 2:40pm

As long as you throw out false claims like wearing red hats I will throw out false claims like wearing swastikas. I play the game by the rules you set. If you don't want me doing it then maybe you shouldn't.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 2:51pm
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 2:37pm

See. You have no real evidence. You just make accusations. You assume that because Jindal is on the right he must be good and because Obama is on the left he must be doing everything wrong.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 2:52pm
"which makes one wonder why he wouldn't take the simple step of presenting his own orginal birth certificate instead of the live birth cert from Hawaii..."

Probably much the same reason McCain wouldn't turn over his medical records.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 2:54pm
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 2:37pm

I implore you to show actual evidence that Obama got into Harvard or any of his schools for Affirmative Action.

"his election to Ill senate was interesting..he ran against ...no one...he had all their names disqualified off the ballot for a variety of paper work infractions....."

This by the way is not Affirmative Action.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 2:57pm
You claim that liberals are dangerous to this country and their socialist agenda must be stopped, which is essentially saying that the liberal view point should not exist. You need to get your head checked hypocrite.

On another note. Why is it the right is not offering any actual ideas to solve this problem? This is why the right is reeling backwards right now and is having to remake it's entire identity. They don't offer any IDEAS they just criticize the people who are trying to fix the problems. Maybe if the Republican party wants to remake itself, it should start bring some ideas to the table instead of just criticism.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 1:16pm

No, I have not said that ALL liberals are socialists. However, at least 1/3 of the Dems in the House are members of both the Progressive Caucus and the Democratic Socialists.

And in general, but not inclusive of the liberals here, most have stated they have no problem with a greater socialist US with free education through college, free healthcare, free housing, guaranteed incomes, and redistribution of wealth.

And you are echoing the Democratic talking points that the Republicans are offering no solutions. Every Republican amendment was not allowed to be presented in the House by Pelosi,much less voted on. And every Republican proposal in the Senate was either voted down or blocked by the 60 vote cloture rule.

At least try and speak something other than what the DNC, Huffington Post and Daily Kos tell you to say.

Posted by antisocialist at 02/25/2009 @ 3:03pm
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 2:37pm

http://tinyurl.com/c6qqwm

Seems your facts are a little off. It wasn't because of "paper infractions", it was because Jack Ryan was kind of a pervert.

So I guess you really have no evidence to back up your claim. Just general prejudice towards anyone who's on the left.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 3:04pm
See. You have no real evidence. You just make accusations. You assume that because Jindal is on the right he must be good and because Obama is on the left he must be doing everything wrong.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 2:52pm

I assumed nothing I stated I didn't know what Jindals status is....

Obama did get AF entrances and free tutition...

that is evidence.

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 3:05pm
"Folksy demeanor??" Nonsense. That phony, paste-on smile reminded me of a long ago used car salesman who tried to sell me a Pinto.

Is that all they got???

Posted by bobforer at 02/25/2009 @ 3:07pm
"his election to Ill senate was interesting..he ran against ...no one...he had all their names disqualified off the ballot for a variety of paper work infractions....."

This by the way is not Affirmative Action.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 2:57pm

No the elction was not..and his election to the US senate was about the same..no one on the ballot.

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 3:07pm
Posted by antisocialist at 02/25/2009 @ 3:03pm

I don't subscribe to any of them actually. I have never read Huffington Post or Daily Kos, but your wild and inaccurate assumptions, of which you have previously railed against people for doing you hypocrite, are amusing.

The Republicans generally wanted to just take things out of the bill. Show me a Republican draft of how to actually fix our economy that was brought forward by your side. I know about John McCain's tax cuts but every economist said that would not work. So let's see a realistic plan offered up by Republicans in government to help stabilize our economy.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 3:07pm
Don't forget, CCC...this is the same lvlib who a while back said he wished we could BAN labor unions and said that such associations had no Constitutional protection!

Posted by Mask at 02/25/2009 @ 1:19pm

Another day, another Mask lie.

I did say I wished we could ban unions, but I also added that unfortunately they ARE constitutional.

Posted by antisocialist at 02/25/2009 @ 3:08pm
Obama did get AF entrances and free tutition... that is evidence. Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 3:05pm

Where is the evidence? He said he doesn't know if he was allowed in because of AF. Apparently you must know better so where is the actual proof?

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 3:08pm
Hilarious! Jefferson be turning in his grave.

Posted by OneVote at 02/25/2009 @ 2:18pm

I am sure all of teh FF are spinning in their graves...almost as fast as the propellars on the hats most leftys here wear...a red one.

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 2:31pm

Your FF quote is that the tyranny Jefferson was talking about was the tyranny of a progressive tax system?

JM.....this is a stretch, even for you.

Posted by OneVote at 02/25/2009 @ 3:09pm
"I assumed nothing I stated I didn't know what Jindals status is...."

"Jindal was born here, is an American(more than you apprently), is an example that the right correctly points to that anyone can achieve anything here if you have drive and effort...he is a success of his own accord. I find your racist comments...interesting. Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 2:16pm

That was your assumption. That Jindal got where he was through hard work instead of through Affirmative Action.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 3:12pm
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 3:05pm

Oh an by the way I guess that hard work of you know graduating at the top of his class at Harvard means nothing.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 3:15pm
Says the person who harkened to the days of old glory when the Anti-war left would have been shot for treason.

Isn't that someone who wants a totalitarian state where only conservative ideas are espoused? Kind of like.... Nazi Germany.

I guess I will let everyone else decide.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 1:29pm

Sometimes I get the feeling that you are either mentally challenged or just have too much youthful arrogance to ever read anything but yourself.

I have stated over and over again through the years here that I don't want censorship of anyone, including liberals.

My comments towards much of the anti-war left were when the go past dissent and start giving aid and comfort to the enemy as people like Medea Benjamin, Cindy Sheehan, Leslie Cagan, and a number of extremist anti-war types here. The ones that say that we are the terrorists.

I want liberals to speak out. I want the people to make clear choices on values. And if like last November they choose values I cannot find acceptable to the constitution, I will continue to speak out.

And if my views become marginal in a leftist US, at least I will hopefully still enjoy the right of free speech to express my views.

And further, at least I back up my positions by voting 3rd party when I cannot find enough agreement with the Rebublican candidate(s). That's why I have more respect for the Nader voters than many of the liberals here who vote "anyone but Bush" or the latest Republican running.

Posted by antisocialist at 02/25/2009 @ 3:18pm
cross off being a Rhodes scholar as something to look up to or admire. as crazy as the Hindu religion is it took the good old devils and demons of catholicism to bring the real PIYUSH JINDEL out. with an exorcism no less BBBBWWWWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!! YEP PIYUSH and palin TWO PEAS IN A POD. palin conspiring to bring about armageddon and the rapture and piyush right in there with her fighting demons. when OH WHEN will republicans give up those prehistoric childish fantasys of reality.

Posted by reality check at 02/25/2009 @ 3:18pm
Posted by antisocialist at 02/25/2009 @ 12:41pm

Well, I will get a tax cut. Yay! This probably means my taxes will go back to what they were before 2004. All I know is when the Bush administration cut taxes, my taxes weren't among those and I ended up paying out the ass for it. Thank God I own a house. The interest from my mortgage payments helped to put a dent in all the money I suddenly owed (and I was earning less than 40,000). It's all good though. I just give a little more money to the IRS out of every paycheck(yay!) in addition to what I already pay in taxes. This way I don't end up owing the IRS come April 15. OTOH, it might be my fault. I should have found time to read all gazillion pages of the new tax laws.

Posted by k330k at 02/25/2009 @ 3:23pm
and if he didn't quote it...then drop it...

but it does make sense in any instance no matter who coined it...----Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 2:30pm

As I said..."truthiness".

Posted by Mask at 02/25/2009 @ 3:30pm
re: "Every Republican amendment was not allowed to be presented in the House by Pelosi,much less voted on. And every Republican proposal in the Senate was either voted down or blocked by the 60 vote cloture rule." Posted by antisocialist

What a bunch of hypocritical whiners you wingers are! Keep it up and lose even more seats come the next election.

Posted by OldUncleDave at 02/25/2009 @ 3:30pm
So...

the bulk of your core belief is anti or non religious, which is your right and I have no problem with, but it does put you at odds somewhat with most of the early FF clearly, who refered to Christianity, the Bible and even Jesus as foundation for the founding documents and the country..as well as the 13 states

Second...You want no empire(which is fine) or perhaps not take a leadership position, which is part of mans natural competitive drive for survival..pacifist?

Usually the first one killed or leads to getting others killed in a violent survival situation..

Next you seem to be anti wealth creation(competition on some level) and anti wealth accululation lest one becomes a king(attains some form of power as such)..prolitarian?

Pro tax, anti bank, anti corporation...which leaves what? for sustanence.....govt.

And all this in an anti war stance, which is noble, who is for war? But the anti war people do appear to the tyrrant to be an easy mark..cause for miscalculation..and death insues...of others

Seems like you are more of a socialist than what you called me..

I am still trying to find Nazism in what you see I believe..but I find socialism,pacifism and anti "religionism" (intolerance?) in your statement of beliefs..

so wereboth left with....opinions.

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 3:31pm
Probably much the same reason McCain wouldn't turn over his medical records.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 2:54pm

Birth records are not medical records....

and Clinton would not show medical records either..these are private...

I do not believe birth records are since the births are published in the paper.

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 3:33pm
Posted by antisocialist at 02/25/2009 @ 3:18pm

So why is it only ok when you do it LVL? Why is it when liberal speaking against your views they are trying to castigate and marginalize you? Is it just you playing the victim? No one here has infringed on your right to say what you want and most people here are more accepting of your views than you are of anyone else's. You throw around asinine insults all the time.

"Sometimes I get the feeling that you are either mentally challenged or just have too much youthful arrogance to ever read anything but yourself."

No one has infringed on your right to say anything. Once again you make things up and try to play the victim. You call anyone who doesn't agree with you a socialist. You then make the claim that anyone who is too far left of you is a traitor to his country. And then somehow claim that because we mount an argument in opposition to yours that means we are infringing on your right to argue. Show me anywhere he where someone has said you don't have the right to say whatever it is you are saying?

I know you are old and all but you need to get rid of your stubborn ways an wake up. I know once you have gotten to your age it's hard to accept new ideas but with the greater flow of information it hard to believe the people like you still believe the things they do.

I hope one day you can open your eyes instead of keeping them firmly shut to reality.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 3:34pm
So... the bulk of your core belief is anti or non religious, which is your right and I have no problem with, but it does put you at odds somewhat with most of the early FF clearly, who refered to Christianity, the Bible and even Jesus as foundation for the founding documents and the country..as well as the 13 states Second...You want no empire(which is fine) or perhaps not take a leadership position, which is part of mans natural competitive drive for survival..pacifist? Usually the first one killed or leads to getting others killed in a violent survival situation.. Next you seem to be anti wealth creation(competition on some level) and anti wealth accululation lest one becomes a king(attains some form of power as such)..prolitarian? Pro tax, anti bank, anti corporation...which leaves what? for sustanence.....govt. And all this in an anti war stance, which is noble, who is for war? But the anti war people do appear to the tyrrant to be an easy mark..cause for miscalculation..and death insues...of others Seems like you are more of a socialist than what you called me.. I am still trying to find Nazism in what you see I believe..but I find socialism,pacifism and anti "religionism" (intolerance?) in your statement of beliefs.. so wereboth left with....opinions. Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 3:31p

No. Just showing you that quoting a man who also says thing you completely disagree with at the same time is kind of a funny thing to do. None of those beliefs are mine if you would like I can tell you what I actually believe on all those things.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 3:36pm
Your FF quote is that the tyranny Jefferson was talking about was the tyranny of a progressive tax system?

JM.....this is a stretch, even for you.

Posted by OneVote at 02/25/2009 @ 3:09pm

Tyranny of an over reaching, intrusive, abusive, all controling govt in peoples lives...which is NOT what any of the FF had in mind..they just over thrown one...and I believe we have that govt today and NOV 5 it took an even bigger step in that direction.

And that ain't no strectch.

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 3:37pm
Oh an by the way I guess that hard work of you know graduating at the top of his class at Harvard means nothing.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 3:15pm

This actualy means everything to me..

and he is a good liberal, for that's all Harvard turns out today...:)

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 3:39pm
I am still trying to find Nazism in what you see I believe..but I find socialism,pacifism and anti "religionism" (intolerance?) in your statement of beliefs.. so wereboth left with....opinions. Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 3:31p

Read my statement about making asinine statements. I don't call people a Nazi necessarily because they are a Nazi. I call people Nazis whenever they call me Communist. By the way even if the left IS socialist red wouldn't necessarily be the color associated with them. Red is generally associated with Communism not socialism.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 3:39pm
with most of the early FF clearly, who refered to Christianity, the Bible and even Jesus as foundation for the founding documents and the country..as well as the 13 states----Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 3:31pm

What is the law of the land in the United States....and how many references to God or Jesus are in it?

Posted by Mask at 02/25/2009 @ 3:41pm
This actualy means everything to me.. and he is a good liberal, for that's all Harvard turns out today...:) Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 3:39pm

Can't disagree. So altogether I don't see why

A) It matters if he got in because of Affirmative Action, because he still worked his but off and graduated at the top of his class, as opposed to Bush who both got into their classes because of name and both graduated in mediocrity.

B) I don't see how him gaining an education because of Affirmative Action disqualifies him as a President.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 3:42pm
By the way Jom. I have no problem with religion or the religious, I think most religions are beautiful, especially after you strip out the Dogma. I do have a problem when the religious try to tell me or anyone else what to do. For instance on gay marriage or something like that.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 3:44pm
What is the law of the land in the United States....and how many references to God or Jesus are in it?

Posted by Mask at 02/25/2009 @ 3:41pm |

Take a look at whats carved into the SC building..start there and work backwards..

Check out the first 13 colonies constitutions and their orginal forms and requirements.

See if God is mentioned anywhere..

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 3:48pm
I do not believe birth records are since the births are published in the paper. Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 3:33pm

Records are always private. The birth of a baby is posted in the news paper however I can't go to a hospital and request YOUR birth certificate.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 3:52pm
Well, I will get a tax cut. Yay! This probably means my taxes will go back to what they were before 2004. All I know is when the Bush administration cut taxes, my taxes weren't among those and I ended up paying out the ass for it. Thank God I own a house. The interest from my mortgage payments helped to put a dent in all the money I suddenly owed (and I was earning less than 40,000). It's all good though. I just give a little more money to the IRS out of every paycheck(yay!) in addition to what I already pay in taxes. This way I don't end up owing the IRS come April 15. OTOH, it might be my fault. I should have found time to read all gazillion pages of the new tax laws.

Posted by k330k at 02/25/2009 @ 3:23pm

I don't know what you do wrong but it seems you need a better tax person (if it's yourself currently, you need to fire yourself and hire someone who will do a better job than you do).

The 2001 tax cuts reduced the tax rates for every marginal tax bracket. Combined with higher personal exemptions and even higher standard deductions, you had to either have done something wrong in your tax prep or made some financial change in positve income that was significant.

I have saved many people money who either were doing a poor job of tax prep themselves or who used bad paid preparers (and there are a lot of them out there).

Posted by antisocialist at 02/25/2009 @ 3:57pm
Well, Senator Phil Graham called us a "nation of whiners" and AG Holder called us "a nation of cowards" and President Obama said that we are not "a nation of quitters" then does that make us a nation of cowards who never quit whining?

Posted by theo51 at 02/25/2009 @ 4:01pm
I do not believe birth records are since the births are published in the paper. Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 3:33pm

Oh and in Hawaii birth certificates are private.

http://tinyurl.com/5vrus3

That's a interesting article in politifact about the whole debacle.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 4:02pm
I watched in absolute awe at the Governor's response to the president's address. Wow! Rachel Maddow said it best, "Aye, Ba Ba". Being French, I have a special affinity for Louisiana. Poor Louisiana.

Posted by julien38 at 02/25/2009 @ 4:04pm
It is also horse manure that Obama ran against no one in the election. In the Dem primary he ran against three (I think) other candidates, one of whom is currently the comptroller of the State of Illinois and possessor of one of those locally famous names; he is Dan Hynes, the son of Tom Hynes. In the general elkection it is true that the Republican candifdate withdrew because of some messiness in his divorce from the actress Geri Ryan. The Republicans had to import the right-wing wacko Alan Keyes from Maryland. And Obama crushed him. But to say he ran against no one is simply not true. Also any actual eviden that Affirmative Action was involved in his acceptance to Columbia University or Harvard Law? Or being elected President of the Harvard Law review? Or are these just more baseless accusations hanging in the wind? Jeez, he's black; he must be the beneficiary of Affirmative Action. As a good American I find this type of subtle racism nauseating. Look towards your conscience, Mr. Maasch

Posted by The Goods at 02/25/2009 @ 4:15pm
Larry, have you utterly lost your mind? The first point above is beyond bizarre, but like a true fundamentalist minister

Posted by jmusolino at 02/25/2009 @ 1:57pm

I know you are fond of misstating things, but I'll tell you again. I'm not a fundamentalist. I'm an Evangelical/Pentecostal. They are very different.

Most Fundamentalists are members of the Southern Baptist Churches or a similar organization.

Fundamentalists do not accept many Evangelicals and almost no Pentecostals as Christian.

If you want to put a label on me, at least get the terminology correct.

Posted by antisocialist at 02/25/2009 @ 4:25pm
Tyranny of an over reaching, intrusive, abusive, all controling govt in peoples lives...which is NOT what any of the FF had in mind..they just over thrown one...and I believe we have that govt today and NOV 5 it took an even bigger step in that direction.

And that ain't no strectch.

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 3:37pm | ignore this person | warn this person

Quite frankly John I see more of that in the Bush administration than Obama's.

Posted by OneVote at 02/25/2009 @ 4:30pm
I'm an Evangelical/Pentecostal. They are very different.

Posted by antisocialist at 02/25/2009 @ 4:25pm | ignore this person | warn this person

Like Max Cady from Cape Fear..........

Posted by OneVote at 02/25/2009 @ 4:35pm
Marx, Lenin, Mao, and even Stalin would be proud of the American left and the Nation magazine.

I admit, I am in fact a Stalinist. That's why I read the Nation - because it espouses the straight Stalinist line. How many of the rest of you are willing to stand up now and admit to this, as I just have?

Posted by FDR43 at 02/25/2009 @ 4:48pm
McCarthyite blowhard, anyone?

Posted by FDR43 at 02/25/2009 @ 4:49pm
Like Max Cady from Cape Fear..........

Posted by OneVote at 02/25/2009 @ 4:35pm

??? what or who is that?

Posted by antisocialist at 02/25/2009 @ 4:54pm
<<Seems your facts are a little off. It wasn't because of "paper infractions", it was because Jack Ryan was kind of a pervert.

So I guess you really have no evidence to back up your claim. Just general prejudice towards anyone who's on the left.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 3:04pm >>

What? A pack of lies! Jack Ryan has saved this country time and time again, and I will not have you slander his good name! Even if he is only a Tom Clancy character...

<i>Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 3:42pm </i>

Right, exactly. We can disagree on whether Obama is more or less liberal than is good, but getting to the top of your class at Harvard is really REALLY difficult.

Also...why is everyone abbreviating affirmative action "AF"? Both words start with A; are we trying to avoid apparent confusion with Alcoholics Anonymous!?

Posted by Thrawn at 02/25/2009 @ 5:12pm
....I am in fact a Stalinist. That's why I read the Nation - because it espouses the straight Stalinist line. How many of the rest of you are willing to stand up now and admit to this, as I just have?

Posted by FDR43 at 02/25/2009 @ 4:48pm

So, how does it feel standing up for your idol who ranks up there with Hitler in disappearing those he, ahem, dislikes? Even ahead of Mao, I believe....Stalin makes Saddam seems saintly!

Posted by Happy at 02/25/2009 @ 5:13pm
It feels great to drop my pretences at being a "liberal" (as if there is anything in between Stalin and Reagan!). It is liberating to say the truth outloud, to be pure and unfettered. I can now wear my Stalin button with pride, proudly proclaiming to the world, "if you are not a Republican, then you are a Stalinist!"

It feels great.

Posted by FDR43 at 02/25/2009 @ 5:38pm
I think President Obama (or is he really President? He wasn't even born in this country!) to admit the truth that, he too (not being a Republican after all) is a Stalinist!

Posted by FDR43 at 02/25/2009 @ 5:40pm
I MUST be a Stalinist, because, after all, luvliberty (or antisocialist, or whoever the hell he is) said (and he wouldn't lie, would he?) that Stalin would be proud of the Nation, and I DO sometimes read the nation (online, anyway).

Therefore, I am a Stalinist.

Posted by FDR43 at 02/25/2009 @ 5:45pm
Posted by FDR43 at 02/25/2009 @ 5:45pm

excessively talking to yourself may be a sign of mental instability

Posted by antisocialist at 02/25/2009 @ 5:54pm
BWAHAHahahahah

It's hilarious, the fear mongering new con repub blood sucking tick hoard en mass screeching SOCIALISM SO CIA LIS M SOCIAL IS M S OC I AL ISM S O C I A LISM.

BWAHAHAhahahahah

How these losers can go even more totally craven is incredible. But they are!

The silver lining is that most people already see them as the fools they are.

kciTfools?

Bwahahahahahahah

NOT.

Posted by hsuBfools at 02/25/2009 @ 5:56pm
Posted by Thrawn at 02/25/2009 @ 5:12pm

I applaud the reference.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 5:58pm
excessively talking to yourself may be a sign of mental instability Posted by antisocialist at 02/25/2009 @ 5:54pm

I think he was talking to me.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 02/25/2009 @ 6:00pm
They say Stalin used to talk to himself a lot.....the evidence is piling up, lol..........

Posted by FDR43 at 02/25/2009 @ 6:14pm
So, how does it feel standing up for your idol who ranks up there with Hitler in disappearing those he, ahem, dislikes? Even ahead of Mao, I believe....Stalin makes Saddam seems saintly!

Posted by Happy at 02/25/2009 @ 5:13pm | ignore this person | warn this person

.

Uh Happy - you might want to put down whatever you've been taking (or smoking) to make you that way.

FDR was being facetious.

See, Larry (antisocialist) was raised in a John Bircher houshold - and thinks everyone to the left of Joe McCarthy is communist. (Heck, Wacko Welch, the founder of the John Birch Society, accused **Dwight D. Eisenhower** of being a communist - or communist dupe being run by his brother, Milton, Whom Welch accused of being the secret leader of the US Communist party!!!) Truely, really, sincerely, tin-foil-hat, out-of-his-mind, raving, nutso, freak, WACKO!!!

So see FDR was responding to Larry's constant penchant for accusing anyone who voices disagreement with him of being communists, Maxists, socialists...

...Jeez, never mind Happy - it's obviously over your head. You better just stick with slapstick humor. More your speed.

Posted by Lillian at 02/25/2009 @ 6:15pm
If Rush, The mannatee, and Coultergeist are upset, all is right with the world

Posted by NEliterite at 02/25/2009 @ 7:13pm
Socialism-- the new mushroom, clouded.

Posted by hsuBfools at 02/25/2009 @ 7:35pm
I believe that Louisianans think that Jindal is a good governor, just as a majority of Alaskans think that Palin is a good governor there. I think that's great, and probably a good thing that they continue to serve their states in that capacity. But one of the problems with Jindal, as with Palin, is that his positions are all over the place. Even on a single topic -- the stimulus bill -- if you've seen him on three or four different news shows over the last week, he continues to change his position in terms of what money he wants to accept from the feds, what he wants to reject, and why. Not unlike Palin's stance of being for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it.

I'm also surprised that the Republicans didn't select somebody more experienced to deliver last night's response. Jindal was panned by Fox News last night, as well as several other conservative pundits like David Brooks.

Posted by JFKennedy at 02/25/2009 @ 7:49pm
"He pulled a Jindal" © 2009 Oscar and Sandy

"That's not a disaster, that's a Jindal" © 2009 Oscar and Sandy

Posted by CitizenX at 02/25/2009 @ 9:43pm
Wake me up when we're out of Iraq.

Posted by bleedingheart at 02/25/2009 @ 9:46pm
The USGS and PHIVOLCS estimate that their forecasts saved at least 5,000 lives and perhaps as many as 20,000. The people living in the lowlands around Mount Pinatubo were alerted to the impending eruption by the forecasts, and many fled to towns at safer distances from the volcano or took shelter in buildings with strong roofs. Additionally, more than 18,000 American servicemen and their dependents were evacuated from Clark Air Base prior to the June 15 eruption. In the eruption, thousands of weaker roofs, including some on Clark, collapsed under the weight of ash made wet by heavy rains, yet only about 250 lowland residents were killed. Of the 20,000 indigenous Aeta highlanders who lived on the slopes of Mount Pinatubo, all but about 120 were safely evacuated before the eruption completely devastated their villages.

In addition to the many lives saved, property worth hundreds of millions of dollars was protected from damage or destruction in the eruption. When aircraft and other equipment at the U.S. bases were flown to safe areas or covered, losses of at least $200 to 275 million were averted. Philippine and other commercial airlines prevented at least another $50 to 100 million in damage to aircraft by taking similar actions. By heeding warnings of hazardous volcanic ash clouds from Pinatubo, commercial and military pilots avoided severe damage to their aircraft and potentially saved hundreds of lives.

Posted by frosty zoom at 02/25/2009 @ 10:26pm
While some of the projects in the [stimulus] bill make sense, their legislation is larded with wasteful spending. It includes ... $140 million for something called 'volcano monitoring.' Instead of monitoring volcanoes, what Congress should be monitoring is the eruption of spending in Washington, DC.

-- Bobby Jindal

Posted by frosty zoom at 02/25/2009 @ 10:28pm
DANGER! VOLCANO ALERT!

IMPENDING ERUPTION OF MOUNT BLATHER!

HIDE YOUR FRUIT FLIES!

Posted by frosty zoom at 02/25/2009 @ 10:29pm
The United States ranks third, behind Indonesia and Japan, in the number of historically active volcanoes (that is, those for which we have written accounts of eruptions).

In addition, about 10 percent of the more than 1,500 volcanoes that have erupted in the past 10,000 years are located in the United States. Most of these volcanoes are found in the Aleutian Islands, the Alaska Peninsula, the Hawaiian Islands, and the Cascade Range of the Pacific Northwest; the remainder are widely distributed in the western part of the Nation.

A few U.S. volcanoes have produced some of the largest and most dangerous types of eruptions in this century, while several others have threatened to erupt.

Posted by frosty zoom at 02/25/2009 @ 10:44pm
GOP RIFT ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alaskans Upset Over Louisiana Governor Jindal's Volcano Comments

By Corey Allen-Young, CBS 11 News Reporter

Updated: 02/25/2009 05:50:03 PM AKST

Many Alaskans aren't happy about the comments made last night, by Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal over volcano monitoring as an example of wasteful spending. But with Alaska being the home of thirty-one active and potentially dangerous volcanoes, many feel the governor's words were not valid. Governor Jindal gave the republican response to President Obama's speech last night with the intentions of uniting Americans, but with his choice of calling out spending dollars on volcano frivolous, it's Alaskans who are upset.

Posted by frosty zoom at 02/25/2009 @ 10:47pm
HEHEH

Three generations of MUD VOLCANOES on the LOUISIANA continental slope

(1) Neurauter and Associates, 3311 Dobbin Stream Lane, 77084 Houston, Texas, USA (2) Coastal Studies Institute, Louisiana State University, 70803 Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA Received: 26 October 1993 Revised: 19 May 1994

Abstract Three MUD VOLCANOES were identified in a small area of the upper continental slope of the Gulf of Mexico. One is actively accreting by small, intermittent ERUPTIONS OF GAS AND FLUID MUD. Eruptions occur from a pool of gas- and oil-saturated muds that upwell and spill over the central crater edge and DOWN THE FLANKS OF THE CONESHAPED BUILDUP. A second structure, a possible sand volcano, is in the last stages of activity, with only slight evidence of gas-saturated sediments. THE THIRD STRUCTURE IS A DORMANT MUD VOLCANO WITH FURROWED SIDES AND SCATTERED AUTHIGENIC CARBONATE PLATES AND RUBBLE BUT NO VENTING OF GAS OR FLUIDS.

Posted by frosty zoom at 02/25/2009 @ 10:51pm
The Sidoarjo mud flow or Lapindo mud, also informally abbreviated as Lusi, a contraction of Lumpur Sidoarjo (lumpur is the Indonesian word for mud), is a mud volcano in the subdistrict of Porong, Sidoarjo in East Java, Indonesia that has been ongoing since May 2006.

Approximately 2,500 m³ (88,000 cubic feet) of mud are expelled per day, which is equivalent to the contents of a dozen Olympic-size swimming pools.

It appears that the flow will continue indefinitely. AS OF NOVEMBER 2008, THE SIDOARJO MUD FLOW IS CONTAINED BY LEVEES, BUT FURTHER BREAKOUTS ARE POSSIBLE.

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Mr. Jindal needs to worry!

Posted by frosty zoom at 02/25/2009 @ 10:54pm
oh my.

"In 2006, a drilling accident near the city of Sidoarjo, Indonesia caused a large and rapidly growing mud volcano to form. The volcano, named Lusi, eventually went on to become the fastest growing mud volcano in the world, engulfing upwards of 7 square kilometers and forcing 30,000 people from their homes."

Posted by frosty zoom at 02/25/2009 @ 10:56pm
40 Acres of Hawaii Falls into Ocean

Monday, December 5, 2005 in Volcanoes by Dave Schumaker

Last week, roughly 40 acres of coastline at Hawaii Volcanoes National Park broke apart and fell into the ocean.

Posted by frosty zoom at 02/25/2009 @ 10:58pm
MONITOR? THAT'S CRAZY SCIENCE STUFF!

Louisiana sliding into the Gulf of Mexico

Thursday, January 4, 2007 in General by Dave Schumaker

Scientists at Louisiana State University analyzed 11 years of GPS measurements recorded in the state and have determined that the southern portion of Louisiana, along the Mississippi Delta is actually sliding into the Gulf of Mexico at a rate of a few millimeters per year. The sliding is thought to be caused by deep underground faults that slip due to the massive weight of sediment that the Mississippi River deposits in the region. This sliding is in addition to previous evidence that suggests that the entire delta is also sinking as well.

These findings have big implications on engineers building new flood control systems in the region as they must now account for the sliding, as well as subsidence.

Posted by frosty zoom at 02/25/2009 @ 10:59pm
7 more volcanoes to be put under 24-hour surveillance

Sunday 15th February, 06:29 AM JST

TOKYO --

The Coordinating Committee for Prediction of Volcanic Eruptions will put seven volcanoes in Japan under round-the-clock surveillance as they are likely to affect public life by erupting or becoming active in the coming 100 years, its sources said Saturday. The seven volcanoes include Mt Shirane between Gunma and Tochigi prefectures and Mt Norikura between Nagano and Gifu prefectures, according to the sources.

Posted by frosty zoom at 02/25/2009 @ 11:03pm
"Salud y pesetas." "Y tiempo para gastarla."

~ malcolm lowry, under the volcano

Posted by frosty zoom at 02/25/2009 @ 11:13pm
Bobby Jindal simply restates the failed policies of Ronald Reagan. I'm surprise our economy is still moving even though in a slow pace. Inflation has hit us drastically, yet our wages remain the same. We haven't adapted for these increases in consumer goods much less our skyrocking prices on our home morgages, bills, education for those who are enrolled in college and health care. If you maintain an unbalance amount of wealth for such a minority of the population, you'll end up destroying the economy. I guess the right wing just doesn't get it. They still refuse to accept our history and our struggles to reform our economy and the creation of the role of government that led us out of the Great Depression. We can't depend on failed policies of the past, Franklin D Rooselvet changed our economy into a pure lassiez-faire capitalistic economy into a mixed economy were government regulations are essential to the prosperity of the free market. We can't have fraud or let private enterprise do whatever they want, because there benefits aren't our own benefits. If most of the population drowns into poverty, the economy will remain stable and the rich will consume most of the countries wealth.

"Voodoo Economics" is right. It doesn't work. Communism works only if it's done in a democratic way. If the people control the economy and decide as a society how to run it, then the economic system works, but if the people let politicians and totalitarian rulers run the economy, then get ready to endure a massive economic poverty level. But capitalism at it's purest form....No.

A mixed economy and socialism are the way to go for our countries high standard of living and economic prosperity. Check out Europe and you'll see the superiority in there standard of living compare to ours

Posted by Alejo254 at 02/25/2009 @ 11:21pm
DANGER! VOLCANO ALERT!

IMPENDING ERUPTION OF MOUNT BLATHER!

HIDE YOUR FRUIT FLIES!

Posted by frosty zoom

Thank you!!!

Cynical Bobby Jindal...

He thinks Americans are stupid. He says "volcano monitoring" and "magnetic levitation" like they're some frivolous waste.

Either he didn't know how dangerous volcanoes are, or he thinks Americans are stupid.....

Nevado del Ruiz eruption in Colombia in 1985 killed an estimated 23,000 when the city of Armero was buried under 5 metres of mud and debris

Several towns in Washington lie in the path of similar lahar mud slides. They have a warning system in place.

As far as bullet trains....

Other countries have had them for years...

Japan's exemplary public transportation system had the Shinkansen since 1964...

This is not a case failing to keep up with other countries' technology, it is a case of being left behind for years.

Posted by koroviev at 02/26/2009 @ 12:08am
Just remember what Gov. Jindal says....

"Americans can do anything"

When you are trying to outrun a pyroclastic flow that just crashed through your wall.

Posted by koroviev at 02/26/2009 @ 12:17am
Jindal reminds me of Mr. Rogers...

King Friday was like Ronald Reagan, but Prince Tuesday is a socialist...

Posted by koroviev at 02/26/2009 @ 12:57am
What is the law of the land in the United States....and how many references to God or Jesus are in it?

Posted by Mask at 02/25/2009 @ 3:41pm |

Take a look at whats carved into the SC building..start there and work backwards..

Check out the first 13 colonies constitutions and their orginal forms and requirements.

See if God is mentioned anywhere..

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 3:48pm

Well, Mask, since John won't answer the question, I will. The law of the land is, if course, the Constitution of the United States, along with the various laws and treaties as mentioned in Article VI. Specifically - " This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

There it is, I'd say. And the treaties include the 1797 Treaty with Tripoli, in which Article 11 states "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion". Carvings on the SC building do not constitute the law of the land, nor do colonial constitutions.

Posted by jmusolino at 02/26/2009 @ 01:24am
When you are trying to outrun a pyroclastic flow that just crashed through your wall.

Posted by koroviev at 02/26/2009 @ 12:17am

it's good to know the story of parangaricutirimicuaro:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parangaricutirimícuaro

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parícutin

Posted by frosty zoom at 02/26/2009 @ 01:36am
I know you are fond of misstating things, but I'll tell you again. I'm not a fundamentalist. I'm an Evangelical/Pentecostal. They are very different.

Most Fundamentalists are members of the Southern Baptist Churches or a similar organization.

Fundamentalists do not accept many Evangelicals and almost no Pentecostals as Christian.

If you want to put a label on me, at least get the terminology correct.

Posted by antisocialist at 02/25/2009 @ 4:25pm

Larry, here are a couple of definitions of the term from the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language:

"1. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism. 2a. often Fundamentalism An organized, militant Evangelical movement originating in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century in opposition to Protestant Liberalism and secularism, insisting on the inerrancy of Scripture. b. Adherence to the theology of this movement. "

You'll notice in my post that my use of the word was as a common (lower case "f") rather than a proper (upper-case "f") noun. I think that you have more than demonstrated your a marked tendency toward definition 1, even if you are not an upper-case Fundamentalist.

So, in fact, I've misstated nothing here. But if you're going to bring labels into the discussion, you need to take a serious look at some of your posts. In other words, the "socialism" bit - it would behoove you to be a bit more specific, since socialism tends to comprise a number of different belief systems. Which type of socialism are you fearing here?

Posted by jmusolino at 02/26/2009 @ 01:47am
Not unlike theie attempt at putting Palin out front as a token women ... Jindal is the Republican's answer to Obama's mixed heritage.

I mean really folks, the neo-cons continue to step on their proverbaballes.

Who was this guy suppose to appeal to?

Posted by Hoot at 02/26/2009 @ 09:03am
No the elction was not..and his election to the US senate was about the same..no one on the ballot.

Posted by YourJomamma at 02/25/2009 @ 3:07pm

I'm trying to work out if you're intellectually lazy or just plain mendacious. Thanks to jmusolino for pointing out the fact that the US was not founded on the Christian religion, most of the founding fathers being deists (believing in the existence of a higher power or deity whilst not believing in organized religion, just in case you can't be bothered to look it up). As for Obama's Chicago primary, he was up against SIX opponents. He won in a landslide with 53% of the vote, 29% ahead of his nearest Democratic rival, with a vote total that nearly equaled that of all eight Republican candidates combined (wikipedia, but google it if you don't trust the source). I have yet to find anything to suggest that Obama benefitted from affirmative action.

Posted by audacity at 02/26/2009 @ 10:04am
I am so tired of the vapid name-calling with the terms socialist, marxist and communist. The U.S. has a long history of corporate intervention and antitrust. Federal receivorship, resulting trusts, nationalization, federal cooperatives, subsidies, corporate tax credits, etc., are all anti-capitalist and commonly applied and maintained by our government since the revoutionary war. They both stimulate and dampen corporate investment, increase and diminish corporate autonomy, and incentivize and chill corporate expansion, depending on the government's goals at the time.

So I chose to ignore certain commentors for their ignorant name calling and uninformed presumptions about just what liberalism and its taxing/spending policies stand for. However, everyone else on this post, and most posts, spend all their time arguing with these lunkheads. You cannot persuade a stubborn bore when their opinions are based on falsehoods and ignorance. If they were interested in educating themselves before speaking, they wouldn't say the stupid things they say in the first place. And anyone who says that Obama is a socialist who hates capitalism is either lying about this belief or is remarkably stupid.

So reading these posts won't be fun until all of you ignore these people and actually discuss the issues rather than the political rhetoric. I know commanche, antisocial, jomamma won't miss me, but I will miss the occasional remarks that display the true thoughtfulness of mask, musilino, koroview and many othes. I don't agree with it all, but I love a good argument. You know, facts, interpretation, supposition, defense, position, that sort of thing. "Obama is marxist" is not an argument, it's a slander and says so much more about the speaker than the subject.

Posted by Cannonball at 02/26/2009 @ 10:29am
and he CLEARLY is the front runner in 2012 for the Republican nomination.

clearly? clearly nonsense.

Posted by emile duBois at 02/26/2009 @ 11:55am
Another snake oil salesman to add to the list of fast flaming Republican pretenders?

Not only do the good people of Louisiana, but the good people of these United States, like someone somewhat depicted as out of the norm. Why else would we choose McCain after Bush? And yet, Palin and now Jindal after Romney have proven one thing: this party now just nominates weirdos and retards. The seeds of Reagan have truly mutated !!!

Posted by Quan1 at 02/26/2009 @ 1:23pm
It is sad and even tragic that Mr.Jindal as an indo-american high level official does not relate to his roots, particularly since his Indian heritage is very ancient. I wonder whether his conversion to Catholicism is partly opportunistic or is he indeed a very active, committed catholic? It is psychologically proven that one must know in a profound way where one is coming from (personal identity) in order to be able to grow with confidence and continue on life's journey.

On another note, it really fails me to understand how an Indian (of color) espouses a far right ideology, when the natural tendency as the son of immigrants would be for such a person to have a deep sense of social justice and thus logically be a committed democrat!! Perhaps at over 60, I need to be re-educated!!

Posted by samgeorge at 02/26/2009 @ 1:46pm
Anchor Baby Governor Jindal (his mother was 4 mos. pregnant when she arrived here) one would hear how 'government' is BAD! BAD GOVERNMENT! He speaks as if he lives in India? A real class system! Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and if you fall over and die in the streets of then Bombay, so be it.

Strange mantra 'government' bad is peculiar, considering Governor Jindal is GOVERNMENT.

What has Jindal done as governor in his first 100 days? What has he done for the people of Louisiana without the Federal Funding that trickles in and GOD only knows where it is going. Remember, No ACCOUNTABILITY for that Katrina MONEY?

We should all keep our eyes on the GREATNESS of this NEW REPUBLICAN PARTY LEADER! Do we listen to him because he is a Rhodes Scholar? Are there any other scholars within the Republican Party?

Let's all watch Louisiana and the GROWTH AND PROSPERITY from his LEADERSHIP.

Let us not forget why they have not rebuilt New Orleans. Two newly elected GOVERNMENT officials, both REPUBLICANS.

But let us not forget another key word he and the Republicans love to despise, HOLLYWOOD. Hmm....it seems it took someone from Hollywood to BUILD HOMES and bring DEMOCRATS back to NEW ORLEANS! Thanks Brad Pitt!

I am self employed and Obama is helping me!

Posted by sasha2008 at 02/26/2009 @ 1:48pm
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Let's pray that Bobby Jindal and the rest of the GOP leadership continue to spout the same old GOP nostrums that drove America off the cliff.

This will cause more and more Americans to realize the obvious--that America's government, like America's military and America's financial system, cannot be entrusted to GOP crooks, nitwits and mercenaries.

From Reagan's presidency through that of Bush II, the GOP used government power to create the Second Gilded Age in America, at the expense of common men and women.

Give trillions of dollars to the Super Rich and Big Business. Run up multiple enormous unsustainable deficits and debts.

Bankrupt America both morally and financially. Plant the seeds for the GOP Great Depression II.

Deregulate, deregulate, deregulate.

Screw generations of the unborn by making them pay for everything. Take the money and run.

You can find this and much more in "The Bush League of Nations: The Coalition of the Unwilling, the Bullied and the Bribed – the GOP's War on Iraq and America," by James A. Swanson (2008, published by CreateSpace Publishing, 448 pages).

You can now download the entire $25.95 book for FREE at www.bushleagueofnations.com.

I ask for nothing in return, except that you consider using it as a resource to help restore and build America.

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Posted by jswanson at 02/26/2009 @ 2:02pm
antisocialist

You got it backwards. What you are now experiencing is a REACTION to the last eight years of administration, the ilk of the neocons,Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, et. al., who never cared about the little guy. If you didn't fit in their Gated Community of the Mind, you didn't belong.

Time for you & them to suck your thumb & stew awhile.

Posted by backer1 at 02/26/2009 @ 2:11pm
I'm sure there are some rational, intelligent, even progressive citizens trapped in Louisiana, but if this bozo is the governor, most of the citizens there who elected him should be surrounded by barbed wire and gun turrets.

This guy cane across like the bizarre, eccentric nutjob that he is. He also has the communication skills of a homeless schizophrenic..."Kenneth the Page" is Winston Churchill compared to Jindal. I never thought I'd hear David Brooks sounding like Lawrence O'Donnell, but if anyone could bring out his inner Democrat, it's Jindal.

His "speech", if you can call his Captain Kangaroo impersonation a speech, was flat out dismal, and made McCain's pathetic, near-senile oratory last June 3rd in Louisiana, the night Obama clinched the nomination, seem like the Gettysburg address in comparison.

If the GOP calls this "representing their views", they have truly gone over an intellectual cliff and been squashed on the ground below. By 2012, they may be reduced to Klan members and Mike Huckabee's church congregation, who may be the same people. Thanks, George, and good riddance!

Posted by stonecutter at 02/26/2009 @ 2:22pm
BTW, the reason the biting and philosophical humor of Carlin and Pryor and Black and Stewart and Colbert and Letterman and a few other brilliant satirists works so well is because they've told the truth as they see it, and it's usually far more genuine and convincing than the drivel politicians like Jindal and Palin feed us, or try to feed us, in these moronic speeches.

Obama has come along at a time when most of us completely lost any faith or trust in politicians, especially elected officials, to tell us anything but self-serving crap, crafted with one purpose and one purpose only: to absolve them of any accountability, and optimize their chances for re-election. They're like those lab rodents on the little carousel who ring the bell and get a piece of cheese everytime.

Obama seems different, like FDR was different. He was a rich blueblood with polio, who learned humility and empathy through pain and suffering most of us never endure. It altered his view of the world, and enabled him to inspire ordinary people. Obama comes from the bowels of ordinary life, half black, half white, exceptionally intelligent and educated through the strength of his own character and values, but never disconnected from his roots.

Unfortunately, Jindal turned his back on his own roots and heritage, perhaps because he thought this was the way to succeed in the U.S., but it left him a shell, to be filled up with corporate buzzwords and platitudes instead of inspiration. He's a cipher, and it's as apparent as his reactionary politics. He may be smarter than Palin, but he's no less dangerous.

Posted by stonecutter at 02/26/2009 @ 2:42pm
I thought Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal showed himself to be not ready for the national spotlight last night. He is a rank amateur compared to our President.

What he gave us was warmed over George W. Bush. The GOP is about to place itself in the sphere of irrelevance if their so-called leaders continue to sing the old worn out song the party has been singing for the last 29-years plus.

Jindal offered nothing new and diminished himself with his disingenuous tale of a train from 'Disneyland to Las Vegas' in the Recovery Act. THERE IS NO SUCH PROJECT IN THE BILL!

Republican lies were rejected last November and it seems the memo from the American people did not reach what is left of the GOP...that small group of states that were once the Confederacy joined by some plains states, mountain states and Alaska.

Jindal evidently thinks Louisiana mirrors our country but he is terribly mistaken. The politics of North Carolina and Virginia are now actually closer to the politics in California and New York than Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi.

Americans showed in November that we are willing to face forward, look at the challenges of the future and not blink.

The Republican Party thinks it can fool us into thinking that tax cuts will deliver our country out of the mess they put us in with TAX CUTS!

Unemployment in my state of California is nearing 9%. What good is a tax cut to an unemployed person?

Posted by RWinLA at 02/26/2009 @ 2:43pm
It is sad and even tragic that Mr.Jindal as an indo-american high level official does not relate to his roots, particularly since his Indian heritage is very ancient. I wonder whether his conversion to Catholicism is partly opportunistic or is he indeed a very active, committed catholic? It is psychologically proven that one must know in a profound way where one is coming from (personal identity) in order to be able to grow with confidence and continue on life's journey.

On another note, it really fails me to understand how an Indian (of color) espouses a far right ideology, when the natural tendency as the son of immigrants would be for such a person to have a deep sense of social justice and thus logically be a committed democrat!! Perhaps at over 60, I need to be re-educated!!

Posted by samgeorge at 02/26/2009 @ 1:46pm

It is sad and even tragic that Mr. Obama as a Muslim-American POTUS does not relate to his roots, particularly since his Muslim heritage is very ancient. I wonder whether his conversion to Christianity is partly opportunistic or is he indeed a very active, committed Christian? It is psychologically proven that one must know in a profound way where one is coming from (personal identity) in order to be able to grow with confidence and continue on life's journey.

Posted by samgeorge at 02/26/2009 @ 1:46pm

Sam, your education has now, come full circle!!

Posted by Happy at 02/26/2009 @ 3:19pm
Ha! Hal9000, true dat! I haven't had a good laugh like that from the Republican part in a long time. Jindal's superficial transformation into a howdy doody dudley do-right white, right-wing good 'ol Southern boy had me in tears. Talk about out of touch, both with the American people and, I think, somewhere inside his own skin. I would hope that the Republican party could at least trot out a sound argument full of facts to move this country's debate, but they seem absolutely incapable of arguing an issue on facts and can't even support their own misguided theories without the use of recycled slogans. Are they lost? Why don't they split in two and see which part is more successful?

Posted by jancuisine at 02/26/2009 @ 3:27pm
Unemployment in my state of California is nearing 9%. What good is a tax cut to an unemployed person?

Posted by RWinLA at 02/26/2009 @ 2:43pm

Let's see,....if 9.2 of 10 people, the 92% of the folks still employed, each gets a $100 to $200 tax cut, say suspending the FICA & MediCare for 6 months or a year, wouldn't those tax cuts, $920 to $1,840, generate `pay' for at least 0.8 UNemployed person?

IF one assumes a permanent UNemployed stat of 0.5 person (per 10), that means 9.2 taxpayers' tax cuts can pay 0.3 (=0.8 - 0.5) person really quite well....see, that's both stimulative and FAST!

You Calis are headed for 12%+.....Enjoy!

Posted by Happy at 02/26/2009 @ 3:28pm
>>>Posted by samgeorge at 02/26/2009 @ 1:46pm<<<

I don't know Jindal's personal history, but I agree that he could benefit from a "back-to-the-village" trip like Obama did in Kenya. Many immigrants and racial minorities feel compelled to distance themselves from their roots to fit into and thus advance in the American mainstream. Some, like Obama, get back in touch with their roots after achieving some measure of success, and it is my hope for Jindal that he does likewise. The Hindu religion is a BEAUTIFUL religion, full of ancient wisdom like the Bhagavad Gita that teaches core spiritual values of a detachment from ego and the senses, and it was THESE values that the Jesus of Catholicism embraced and embodied so well. Jindal may well come full circle by embarking on a journey to his roots.

Jindal is VERY young (36) and was obviously inspired by Ronald Reagan when he was even younger (10?). I think when he gets a few years of national campaign trail under his belt, he (like all candidates) will be humbled by the American experience, which is far more complex than depicted in Reagan's rhetoric. He will meet families with no boots, and therefore not bootstraps from which to pull themselves up, he will meet small and medium sized business owners and entrepreneurs that were the "catalyst" of government action, and he will meet many whom without government help would cling at the margins of American life, in which many will have fallen between the cracks of the harsh realities of the market.

Supply-side theory and market-only solutions look great in the classroom, but when you see their effects up close, you may be tempted to strangle your Economics professor for filling your head with such self-serving nonsense that primarily benefits the wealthy few at the top.

Posted by Metteyya at 02/26/2009 @ 3:28pm
The very people who espouse Jindal's nonsense are the ones who would dearly have loved to have kept his parents out of the country in the first place and prevented him from becoming an "anchor baby."

God bless Bobby Piyush for working hard and getting to be a governor (although in light of some of the recent gubernatorial scandals, maybe ANYONE truly can grow up to be the F$%^£in' governor, doncha know guys an' gals? From what I saw Tuesday night, there goes your proof.)

But he would do well to take his head out the wrong side of the donkey, stop attacking the Democrats and work with them to save the country from the doom imminent because of eight years of Republican ineptitude and maladministration.

Posted by ciotog17 at 02/26/2009 @ 4:05pm
There are now these anti-socialist, anti help your fellow man or what ever name they choose to label themselves. The cause of this exclusionary form of thinking stems from a delusionary state of mind all stepped in arrogance. Upon examination one will readily find there is a serious lack of common sense from this so called anti-socialist. They do not have a basic understanding of life. It is an aspect of life which there is a certainty of knowledge. That is to say, that mankind is not able to determine what race, what religion, what country, what economic status or anything else they will be born into. These idiots arrogantly think they have accomplished their illusionary status in the world all by themselves. It is a sand pit mentality befitting a child like play game.

Posted by talibray at 02/26/2009 @ 4:37pm
Jindal is a boy wonder? or more like a Man without Wonder....

Posted by freenation at 02/26/2009 @ 4:48pm
Jindal is Boy Wonder? He is more like a Man without any Wonder...

Posted by freenation at 02/26/2009 @ 4:49pm
I am self employed and Obama is helping me!

Posted by sasha2008 at 02/26/2009 @ 1:48pm

Oh, I'd love to hear how Obama is helping you. I'm self employed and there is nothing that Obama is doing that will help my business or my family.

Which is helping you more, the massive multi-trillion dollar deficits, the reduction of freedoms to make your own decisions, or the increased taxation on individuals and business to pay for the massive increase in Federal welfare?

Posted by antisocialist at 02/26/2009 @ 4:49pm
I am self employed and Obama is helping me!

Posted by sasha2008 at 02/26/2009 @ 1:48pm

Oh, I'd love to hear how Obama is helping you. I'm self employed and there is nothing that Obama is doing that will help my business or my family.

Posted by antisocialist at 02/26/2009 @ 4:49pm

Different kinds of "self employed!

Sasha is unemployed.....or a `consultant'.....as is all "self employed" like me who draws no fixed pay!

IF she is helped by Obama, which I am definitely not, that means she will get more `consulting' gigs paid by taxpayers or she will get more `tax rebates'!

Posted by Happy at 02/26/2009 @ 4:55pm
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Well, Senator Phil Graham called us a "nation of whiners" and AG Holder called us "a nation of cowards" and President Obama said that we are not "a nation of quitters" then does that make us a nation of cowards who never quit whining?

Posted by theo51 at 02/25/2009 @ 4:01pm

That's very funny...probably the most entertaining thing on this whole board.

Thanks for the laugh!

Posted by once3 at 02/26/2009 @ 5:03pm
Bobby was the head of Health and HUman Services for the state of Louisiana at age 22. His contribution included slashing and burning all the state health dept activities and transfering to the private sector. The outcomes immediately got worse- much worse- but he continued to trumpet his successes at small government.

He is perhaps the least thoughtful politician in any significant office in America. Ask him 50 questions about stuff that he doesnt know and he will have 50 answers for you in 15 minutes

The boy wonder is a walking/talking robot who should have been exiled to some immaterial think-tank sometime ago. His manipulation of religion as he markets himself as an evangelical Cathaolic in a bi-polar Catholic/fundamentalist state is quite remarkable. BUt the populous is remarkably thirsty for someone with half a brain in leadership so this is what they got.

Posted by beentheredonethat at 02/26/2009 @ 5:08pm
Tax cuts for the rich have worked in the past. The problem with Republicans is that they betray their principles when they ditch the meritocracy as applies to Wall Street.

But so do the Dems, who have never believed in meritocratic government. So we get save-the-boweevil programs and a Paulson clone still runs the Fed. Nixon opened up the American working class to competition with Chinese slave labor, but the Dems won't fix that either. Hill can't be bothered with trite human rights concerns or re-thinking a trade policy that has destroyed manufacturing, after all how many gazillion dollars has Bill made on the Chinese lecture circuit?

The Left doesn't really hate Wall Street. Who do you think subsidizes your heroes, the pimps and prostitutes that advertise in the Village Voice?

The Republicans are trying out some tokenism, because they feel that they must, and that's a mistake. They should forget outreach, and let people, no matter their skin tone, come to them as individuals based on shared ideas, if the Repubs can come up with some good ones.

There are some racist dinosaurs in the conservative camp, but the real racism today comes from the Left and is on display in these posts.

Jindal will be accepted as an authentic person by the Left only if he either fashions himself as a "true" Indian, or subscribes to left orthodoxy or both.

He is not allowed the individualism of a white person. George Harrison can sing Hare Hare Krishna all day long, but if Jindal wants to say Howdy Howdy Doody, then he must be a sell-out, ashamed of his "roots." It is an impossibility that he is simply being himself.

Posted by gangpapist at 02/26/2009 @ 5:10pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/25/2009 @ 10:26pm

Exactly! The question should be asked--why do Jindal and the Reps hate our troops?

Posted by once3 at 02/26/2009 @ 5:11pm
Jindal is a perfect example of an American slumdog. He is what assimilation into any Empire yields: lackeys who believe in a Dream that has never existed. Amerika is about to be blakanized: Race, religion (read: cultic superstition). Obama brings not prace but the sword. Not because he wants to. Because it is time for this country of lies to face up to the mirror.

Posted by alfavil at 02/26/2009 @ 5:18pm
Posted by antisocialist at 02/26/2009 @ 4:49pm Posted by Happy at 02/26/2009 @ 4:55pm

Is that what it's all about, Larry? Helping you? Same with you, Happy, but this is particularly in the direction of Larry, Happ, since apparently you've personally done pretty well on the basis of the suffering of others. I may be wrong on that, but your posts have left that impression over time.

So, Larry, this president intends to do something that GOP presidents have been loath to do in the past 28 years - help those who aren't wealthy and powerful. You know, the poor of whom Jesus of Nazareth spoke. You're a minister. How can you attack anyone who tries to use all available resources to help the poor? Do you really think that it matters one iota from whom the starving receive bread? As a supposed devotee of Jesus, how can you put your own creature comforts over the very survival of the least fortunate?

The truth is that this president's programs, and his intangibles, if at all successful, will help everyone in America, you included, by simply restoring a shared sense of community among Americans. You know, that Social Compact that Reagan did his damnedest to shred during his time in the White House. And in doing so, we'll continue restoring the American moral authority that was completely shattered by Bush, Cheney, and the gang of criminals who ran this government for the past 8 years. If that's not doing something for you, then you really do need to take stock of your ministry.

Posted by jmusolino at 02/26/2009 @ 5:56pm
Jindal is a lightweight who should hold onto his job as governor of Louisiana.

What State needs help as much as Louisiana? He is definitely a Republican, screw the little guy and make rich friends richer.

And so it goes.

Posted by bgkh at 02/26/2009 @ 6:26pm
OK, so you're for giving us a loaf of bread, when we can't afford to buy it. I'm cool with that.

And if we can NEVER afford to buy that loaf of bread, or must work for the only gig in town, Big Bruh, to get it, then we will eternally vote for your guys. That's fair.

But remember, the DREAM has never existed. The white devils and their darker-hued lackeys must be forced to look in the mirror and then be put to the sword. Fire. Brimstone. (And this is how you act when you're winning!)

Posted by gangpapist at 02/26/2009 @ 6:31pm
Is that what it's all about, Larry? Helping you? Same with you, Happy, but this is particularly in the direction of Larry, Happ, since apparently you've personally done pretty well on the basis of the suffering of others. I may be wrong on that, but your posts have left that impression over time.

So, Larry, this president intends to do something that GOP presidents have been loath to do in the past 28 years - help those who aren't wealthy and powerful.

You know, the poor of whom Jesus of Nazareth spoke. You're a minister. How can you attack anyone who tries to use all available resources to help the poor? Do you really think that it matters one iota from whom the starving receive bread? As a supposed devotee of Jesus, how can you put your own creature comforts over the very survival of the least fortunate?

Posted by jmusolino at 02/26/2009 @ 5:56pm

You are misinterpreting my response to Sasha. I was pointing out that the Obama budget does nothing to help most if not all self employed people-contrary to his/her claim..not that I'm looking for anything;

I don't seek anything from the Federal Govt except to keep the system of laws and courts operating and to protect me from those who would harm me and my family, both foreign and domestic.

As to the needy, that is not the role or responsibility of the Federal govt. And it 's not because I don't care. I give whatever I have to others, including shelter in my home if they need it.

It's about functioning according to our constitution. the Federal is supposed to be small and dedicated to the enumerated powers given to it. Everything else the 10th amendment specifically states is left to the States and the people individually.

This is not about helping people, it 's about power. An all powerful central govt.

Posted by antisocialist at 02/26/2009 @ 6:43pm
Posted by gangpapist at 02/26/2009 @ 5:10pm

Actually, Jindal's message was and is ridiculous. And the Republican idea that Katrina proves the worthlessness of government is patently absurd - it proves the worthlessness of BAD government, of conservative government, of Republican government. Jindal's use of Katrina was beyond bizarre, and any GOP argument that Katrina shows government to be the problem is akin to the person who murders his parents, then throws himself on the mercy of the court as an orphan.

Posted by jmusolino at 02/26/2009 @ 6:49pm
Marx, Lenin, Mao, and even Stalin would be proud of the American left and the Nation magazine.

Posted by antisocialist at 02/25/2009 @ 11:49am

Have you ever read... anything?

Posted by ADHD at 02/26/2009 @ 7:59pm
Jmusolino,

The Repubs are a corrupt, unprincipled party in opposition to a principally corrupt party with one superstar. As terrible as they are, they are the only thing stopping the Dems from instituting one-party rule for eternity.

But you haven't bothered to defend your side's racism. White lefties enjoy individuality and eclecticism, but only accept provincialist ethnocentrism from their minority "friends." Jindal must be stomped, because he is not a "real" Indian.

As far as the stimulus: tax cuts -fine, jobs for mobbed-up contractors - cool, but how are the billions of dollars spent on non-productive left-wing crap like swamp-rat grooming going to help the proletariat?

Posted by gangpapist at 02/26/2009 @ 8:26pm
Jindal = orthodox Hinduism, then orthodox Catholicism... exemplified by exorcism!

BEATING A DEMON Physical Dimensions of Spiritual Warfare

December 1994 By Bobby Jindal

go here: http://www.newoxfordreview.org/article.jsp?did=1294-jindal

Here's an excerpt: Despite our intimacy, Susan and I had not spent much time together this past year. We had succumbed to pressure from our friends and decided we should not be so emotionally interdependent without a deeper commitment. To be honest, my fears of a relationship and the constraints of commitment had kept us apart; our friends' objections merely provided a convenient excuse. Still, I felt comfortable asking her to come to the concert, and she accepted the invitation. Though

-- ------------ ---------------- ------------ ------------ I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature. Thomas Jefferson

Posted by winyahn at 02/26/2009 @ 9:01pm
dissembling & hostile ----

antisocial

Employed by a mom & pop, a mega corporation, a medium-sized concern, a small partnership

-------it's------all-------the------same------

you get a tax cut

--------even----------------self-employed--------

--------yes----------------self-employed, dissembling & hostile ----

F U B making under twohundredfiftyTHOUSAND$$$

Posted by winyahn at 02/26/2009 @ 9:11pm
I was pointing out that the Obama budget does nothing to help most if not all self employed people-contrary to his/her claim..not that I'm looking for anything;

This is not about helping people, it 's about power.

Posted by antisocial Larrie at 02/26/2009 @ 6:43pm

-----------------www.nfib.com----------------------->

60 percent of Americans without health insurance (24 million) are from families with a head of household that is self employed or works for a small business

---------------Larry is not about helping people, he 's about he power of dissembling ----------------------

Dissemble \Dis*sem"ble\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Dissembled;

1. To hide under a false semblance or seeming; to feign (something) not to be what it really is; to put an untrue appearance upon; to disguise; to mask.

Posted by winyahn at 02/26/2009 @ 9:26pm
Yes, everybody gets a tax cut. Then we spend a gazillion dollars on transgender petting zoos and paying left activists to stage pro-government demonstrations.

How do we pay for it all? Tax the rich to death? Have you considered that they like money? If you really want them to pay anything then you better invent a tax code that mutates faster than bird flu. For those too stingy to hire an accountant, do you think they will invest?

Better hope funding abortions in Sumatra somehow turns a profit.

Posted by gangpapist at 02/26/2009 @ 9:38pm
I listened to Gov. Jindal's entire speech, although it wasn't easy to stay awake. He said nothing new, offered no ideas or programs, simply repeated the "tax cuts" and "government is bad" mantra the GOP has been peddling for years. I frankly got tired of hearing "Americans can do aaaanything." He must think we are all five-year-old morons. Tax cuts help no one if they don't have an income. In two months I will be out of a job and will probably not be able to find another one because too many Indians are being imported on HB-1 visas to do the work that I,and many of my American colleagues, would gladly do. We are fully capable of doing it, too. But we must be given a chance, not the bum's rush simply becausewe are Americans. I see nothing in Gov. Jindal's speech that will make one bit of difference to me. I would certainly never vote for him, not even for dogcatcher.

Posted by publia at 02/26/2009 @ 9:40pm
Somebody mention Stalinist. Stalin like GW Bush had a constitution that guaranteed a lot of rights to citizens. Stalin - like GW Bush - created a special category of citizen exempt from all these constitutional protections. Bush called these 'detention camps'; Stalin called his 'gulags'. Stalin's people without rights were called 'counter revolutionaries'; Bush's people without rights were called 'illegal enemy combatants'. Bush exploited the attacks on 9/11/2001 as justification for spying on his people. Stalin used the US and British intervention in the Communist Revolution as justification for spying on his people. Bush accused critics of 'emboldening the enemy' with their criticism as did Stalin. Bush's enemies were 'Islamofascists" whereas Stalin's enemies were 'capitalist pigs'. OK, now how are liberals equivalent to Stalinists? I find it strange how conservatives today have intense green eyed envy at the kind of big government enjoyed by Stalin and Mao. I find it equally strange that liberals seem to get dewy eyed about Chairman Mao who was more overtly authoritarian than Stalin and killed as many people as Stalin and Hitler combined. Haven't they read the works of Chairman Mao?

Posted by rimchamp77 at 02/26/2009 @ 9:43pm
My personal hope is that some folks in Louisiana who have lost their jobs, their houses, etc. come after Jindal w/ baseball bats, or ropes, or some such ... it would be justly deserved; not likely to happen, at least quit yet, but rightly deserved, regardless.

I never cease to be amazed at how profoundly stupid hard right-wingers like Jindal are. Maybe the only thing stupider are the poor folks that are so indoctrinated that they buy that garbage!

Other thing I find simply astounding is how folks like Jindal care more about ideology, and their wacko idea of being "right," than they do about helping, in his case, for example, the people of his state, and their kids.

Just goes to show how profoundly selfish he is; and how that selfishness and self-centeredness leads him to just be simply evil

If Jesus was around now, I wonder to what extent he'd be up for kicking over some money changers table -- and kicking the money changers in their flippin arses!!

Posted by timremple at 02/26/2009 @ 10:01pm
Posted by gangpapist at 02/26/2009 @ 9:38pm

did you vote for Palin?

Posted by winyahn at 02/26/2009 @ 10:18pm
Posted by rimchamp77 at 02/26/2009 @ 9:43pm

Well said. Damn Mao! You find similar distortions regarding antiquity - nostalgic views on the Incas and Egyptians.

Posted by winyahn at 02/26/2009 @ 10:26pm
Winyahn,

No. And the repubs deserve to eat shit for four years. During that time, they either come up with some new ideas and take responsibility for letting Wall Street raid the Treasury, or lose again.

Meanwhile, replacing old Repub corruption with old left orthodoxy won't help. I'm disappointed. I knew it would be impossible for Obama to hold the wingnuts in check (he probably can't wait till 2010), but he could TRY. He has the high approval ratings, not Congress. So why hand them free reign to write this monster, and then claim that there are no "earmarks"? There is a limited amount of fake money we have to play with.

timremple,

Way to call for a lynching! (bats? rope? hmm?) How far the left has come.

Posted by gangpapist at 02/26/2009 @ 10:36pm
Mao's most recent biographers, have painfully documented how this one individual is responsible for more than 70 million killed through the years he led the Chinese communists.

Ex:

* Rural purges, 1946-49: 2-5M deaths * Urban purges, 1950-57: 1M * Great Leap Forward: 20-43M * Cultural Revolution: 2-7M * Labor Camps: 20M * Tibet: 0.6-1.2M * TOTAL: 44.5 to 72M

No one is sure exactly how many people perished as a result of the Great Leap, and the spreading hunger. By comparing the number of deaths that could be expected under normal conditions with the number that occurred during the period of the Great Leap famine, scholars have estimated that somewhere between 16.5 million and 40 million people died before the experiment came to an end in 1961, making the Great Leap famine the largest in world history.

Posted by winyahn at 02/26/2009 @ 10:38pm
antisocial

Employed by a mom & pop, a mega corporation, a medium-sized concern, a small partnership

-------it's------all-------the------same------

you get a tax cut

--------even----------------self-employed--------

--------yes----------------self-employed, dissembling & hostile ----

F U B making under twohundredfiftyTHOUSAND$$$

Posted by winyahn at 02/26/2009 @ 9:11pm

Wrong..cite the language and/or paragraph in the bill that gives anyone other than W2 workers a "taxcut" which is not a taxcut if you read the bill. It is a refundable tax credit to anyone with a W2.

You're too ignorant to be allowed to drive.

Posted by antisocialist at 02/26/2009 @ 10:44pm
Posted by gangpapist at 02/26/2009 @ 10:36pm

Would you prefer Ron Paul? I think it's harder to stand for the lesser of evils than against the evil'r of evils.

Whose agenda is most representative of your own?

Posted by winyahn at 02/26/2009 @ 10:46pm
The GOP response was pitiful. Jindal's tone and delivery were worse than Al Gore's. He had that same cadence but more like Mr. Rogers. How patronizing! But, I have to say I hope the GOP picks him because Obama will eat him for breakfast! Keep 'em comin' :-)

Posted by rhcjrix at 02/26/2009 @ 10:57pm
Posted by antisocialist at 02/26/2009 @ 10:44pm

Your lie is 250,000 times bigger than mine.

Posted by winyahn at 02/26/2009 @ 11:07pm
It was pretty amazing listening to Obama's speech and then Jindal's. Kind of like being in an astronomy class and having the professor talk about the heliocentric universe versus earth centered (what the hell is the term for that?), getting into parabolic paths of the planets, how the gravity affects each planet's orbit about the sun...and then having some nitwit stand up and proclaim, "I'm a Gemini!"

And who knows, it could happen. After all, Americans can do anything!

Posted by onthehelm at 02/26/2009 @ 11:58pm
neo-cons can complain all they wish now.

name calling is something they've always been good at, (besides creating bread lines) and it's about all they can do now.

other than that ... they grimace while their golden parachute fails to open

this is killing them folks and I for one am LMAO!

Posted by Hoot at 02/27/2009 @ 05:24am
Why don't the Republican's just shove their heads in an oven and turn on the gas???? It would be easier than dying the slow death they are now! And making complete asses out of themselves in the process of doing it. Every time they scream about spending they just remind American's why we have a trillion dollar deficit. The Republican's created it and we don't have a damned thing to show for it but two wars. Then again there are always those morons who buy into their 'smoke and mirror's' economizing. Who aren't bright enough to figure out how badly these folks have screwed them over the years!

Posted by ganddw42 at 02/27/2009 @ 09:46am
'WASHINGTON – United States Senator Mary Landrieu, D-La., today called for the resignation of Doug Whitmer, chief of the staff of the Federal Emergency Management Agency's (FEMA) Louisiana Transitional Recovery Office in New Orleans. Her comments follow the CBS Evening News report yesterday that detailed the ongoing investigation into alleged misconduct, including nepotism, sexual harassment and discrimination. CBS reported that Mr. Whitmer had more than 30 complaints filed against him by New Orleans office employees. Senator Landrieu said: "It was very disturbing to see the CBS story about the dysfunction at the New Orleans FEMA recovery office. The people in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama are shocked to hear that our recovery has been slowed by the toxic environment created by the office's management. Beyond any doubt, it would be appropriate for Doug Whitmer to step down, and I am calling for his resignation. "It is the straw that broke the camel's back. There was not one, not a dozen, but 30 complaints against one employee. I believe Secretary Janet Napolitano will do a complete review of FEMA leadership from top to bottom to fire those employees that do not want to help – those that are incapable, incompetent and not doing their job. "We have seen examples of extraordinary waste, fraud and abuse in contractors hired by the government. In this case, it is actually the management of our FEMA office in New Orleans. The clean-up process should begin with the resignation of Doug Whitmer." (Landrieu Press Release)'

Say....didn't Bobby say that he had cleaned up the corruption.......as if the State shouldn't have been reading FEMA the riot act all along........

Posted by OneVote at 02/27/2009 @ 11:06am
having the professor talk about the heliocentric universe versus earth centered (what the hell is the term for that?),

c'mon now, that's too easy. geocentric. smart fellow like you shoulda known that.

Posted by emile duBois at 02/27/2009 @ 11:43am
It's called chutzpah, I believe.

The governor of a State which probably consumes more federal dollars than perhaps any other in recent memory decrying spending by the federal government. Gotta love it. That's not to mention his criticism of federal action as it was carried out by a Republican administration.

That's got to please the party faithful, all right.

:)

Posted by schnellerheinz at 02/27/2009 @ 1:07pm
Gee, what will this do to his keynoter chances in '12?

Bwahahahaha!

Posted by schnellerheinz at 02/27/2009 @ 1:11pm
Hey, jourmama-- You invoke Thomas Jefferson on labor issues, but for me it's tough to stomach the idea that Jefferson is any authority on how to have a sustainable economy that doesn't include slave labor.

And, did anyone else notice how Jindal's comment on his being a 'pre-existing condition' and his father making a payment plan to cover the medical costs of his birth MIGHT have been tied to introduction of some form of workable health care plan, but wasn't?

We have an unacceptable level of infant death due to lack of proper health care in this country, and an unacceptable level of bankruptcies due to outrageous medical bills as well.

Gov. Jindal really missed the boat. Unless his only goal was to say, 'I WAS BORN HERE', and 'MY PARENTS WEREN'T THE BAD KIND OF IMMIGRANTS, THE ONES WHO WORK FOR LESS THAN MINIMUM WAGE AND HAVE NO HEALTH CARE. THEY WERE THE GOOD KIND, THE KIND WHO GET HEALTH INSURANCE, DON'T SUE WHEN THEY AREN'T COVERED, AND MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE PAYMENT PLANS TO COVER THE UNINSURED COSTS...' In that case, mission accomplished, Gov.

Posted by sandara at 02/27/2009 @ 10:01pm
Watching Bobby Jindal speak after President Obama?

It was like first enjoying a fabulous and elegant dinner under the stars, on the veranda of Thomas Jefferson's Monticello home, sipping a Merlot and enjoying Foie Gras and a smoky gouda with artisan sesame wafers, conversing with intelligent and inspirational friends, while listening to the strains of Yo Yo MA ...

... and then ending the evening downing a bottle of Ripple, chomping on fried Spam, with a side of oyster crackers sprayed with Cheeze Whiz while sitting under the fluorescent lights in the Food Court of the Mall of America, with ZZ Top blaring from an AM radio ...

Posted by whybaby at 02/28/2009 @ 12:03am
In Spanish there's a saying about "Verguenza ajena", which translates to something like "Vicarious shame", or what you feel when someone does something that they should be ashamed of, but don't seem to even notice.

Well, that's what I felt sitting here in San Juan, Puerto Rico, watching this Jindal character blame President Obama for NOT saying all that the President had just clearly spelled out in his address.

CRAZY! WHO PAYED, PUSHED, PRESSED OR OTHERWISE FORCED THIS CLOWNISH PUPPET TO PULL THIS SUICIDAL JOKE? HE HAD NO SENSE TO TELL HE COULD NEVER EVER BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY, ANYWHERE?

Sandra Rodriguez-Beauchamp San Juan, Puerto Rico

Posted by sarodgz at 02/28/2009 @ 06:23am
Plus he lied about (actually everything) ... well, here is the story under the headline;

"Jindal Admits Katrina Story Was False"

http://tinyurl.com/dapn3z

Levitate? He didn't spew green soup, his head didn't spin a 360 (beyond the metaphorical in any case) any of which would have been more entertaining than his, well, lies ...

Posted by V at 02/28/2009 @ 10:01am
I have family living in Louisiana and I learned that people there are quite upset by Jindal's freezing the budget because he would want to uphold his so-called small government ideal and pretend Louisiana does not need federal aids. He is promoting himself (for a possible '12 chance for presidency) at the expense of ordinary people in Louisiana. My folks voted him and now they regret.

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