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RedditRecognizing the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, President Obama has released $21.3 million from the U.S. Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance (ERMA) Fund for use in the Palestinian region.
The money will go to the U.N. Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA),the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) and the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA). According to the U.S. State Department, "These organizations are distributing emergency food assistance, providing medical assistance and temporary shelter, creating temporary employment, and restoring access to electricity and potable water to the people of Gaza."
Both the United Nations and the Red Cross have called for assistance in seeking to restore a measure of stability to Gaza, which suffered devastating blows to its civilian infrastructure during a sustained bombing campaign and invasion by Israeli Defense Forces.
Obama's move does not represent a fundamental shift in U.S. policy with regard to the Middle East.
But it does represent a quick and appropriate response to the letter sent this week to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton by almost sixty members of Congress, urging the Obama Administration to give immediate attention to what one of the signers, Minnesota Congressman Keith Ellison, correctly described as "the dire situation that exists today in Gaza."
As such, this is another indication that the Obama administration is softening what was the hardline stance with regard to Gaza that had been established by the former Bush administration with regard to Gaza.
Here's the text of the letter from the members of Congress:
Secretary of State Hillary ClintonU.S. Department of State 2201 C Street NW Washington, DC 20520
January 27, 2009
Dear Secretary Clinton:
First, we would like to congratulate you on being sworn in as our nation's 6th Secretary of State. We are very hopeful that this new era in American foreign policy upon which we embark can advance the cause of peace in the Middle East and beyond.
As strong supporters of both the Israeli and Palestinian peoples, we are writing to express our deep concern for the humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip and to request immediate action by the United States to address this crisis. With the ceasefire now in effect, it is critical that the United States play a leading role in alleviating the suffering of civilians in Gaza and we respectfully urge your assistance in this task.
As you know, the situation on the ground is dire. The flow of humanitarian goods into the Gaza Strip is limited to food and medicine. Yet there exists a real need to allow for the importation of construction materials and fuel, which require the opening of crossings into Gaza. For example, only the Karni Crossing has the capacity for transporting large cargo, such as cement, but it remains closed.
In addition, in order to rebuild civilian infrastructure in Gaza the international community is going to have to make significant monetary contributions. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) estimates financial needs of nearly $350 million just to rebuild their own infrastructure and continue providing essential services to the Palestinians in Gaza.
We also remain especially concerned about the desperate condition of medical services in Gaza. Although Israel has begun to allow limited medical supplies into Gaza, the need far outweighs the availability while hospitals remain understaffed and ill-supplied. One of the most crucial steps that needs to be taken is for Israel to allow critically ill patients to be transported out of Gaza and into Israel, the West Bank and Jordan, where they may receive necessary medical care. We therefore urge you to express this concern directly to Israeli government officials.
In addition to the several thousand individuals who were physically injured during the recent military operations, we can expect to see a dramatic increase in the number of individuals suffering from psychological trauma. In order to help the population to begin rebuilding, we will need to further ensure that funds are used to provide adequate mental health services in Gaza.
Failure to address this humanitarian emergency has the potential to produce a crisis of even more unspeakable proportions. We therefore respectfully request that the State Department release emergency funds to UNRWA for reconstruction and humanitarian assistance. We believe the State Department can make funds available through accounts such as Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance (ERMA) and urge you to facilitate the transfer of funds as soon as possible.
We look forward to maintaining a productive and ongoing dialogue with the State Department
and the Obama Administration regarding the United States response to the humanitarian crisis in
Gaza. Toward that end we respectfully request that you or your staff share with us prior to
Congress recessing on February 13,2009, the actions taken to date and the strategy you will pursue to address the humanitarian crisis.
Finally, we know that addressing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as a whole is a top priority of the Obama Administration and we applaud President Obama and you for your early and public commitment to meet this challenge. We also believe that the naming of former Senator George Mitchell as special envoy to the Middle East is commendable. We believe the security interests of both Israel and the United States will be greatly enhanced by the establishment of a lasting peace between Israelis and Palestinians, and that United States involvement is indispensable in achieving that goal. We stand ready to work with you as the Administration furthers these efforts.
Ellison hailed the move with a declaration that, "I want to thank President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton for the swiftness with which they have responded to the critical humanitarian needs in Gaza. As a strong supporter of both the Israeli and Palestinian peoples, I am so grateful to the President for recognizing the dire situation that exists today in Gaza."
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Did Keith mention if no more rockets fired into Israel, then no more invasions?
And then rebuilding can get underway.
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/31/2009 @ 7:57pm
Musta forgot that part..
oh,well..next time.
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/31/2009 @ 8:12pm
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/31/2009 @ 7:57pm | ignore this person | warn this person
In the West Bank, Fatah, which is the minority party of the Palestinian Authority, run by the now- ex-President of the PA, Abbas, years ago ceased any form of real violent resistance to the Israelis. During this time, the Israeli colonizing of the West Bank has expanded, Palestinian lands have been expropriated from their owners, homes and orchards have been bulldozed, and the checkpoints and Jew-only roads have expanded.
On the topic of Obama releasing the aid, this is too small an amount to make a big difference, but as a symbolic move, weak as it is, the release of the aid is the first not-completely-stupid move the US has made in a very long time.
Posted by syfriendly at 01/31/2009 @ 8:24pm
Perhaps if Israel would allow Gaza full use of its seaports, its airport, its borders, and East Jerusalem; perhaps become more "democratic or cosmopolitian"; stop building Israeli settlements in the West Bank, stop stealing land and water from the Palestianians, perhaps the rockets would stop and prosperity begin.
Posted by ctgalactic at 01/31/2009 @ 8:28pm
Posted by ctgalactic at 01/31/2009 @ 8:28pm
Or, if Hamas stops calling for the total extinction of Israel while firing those rockets, then perhaps the tanks would stop rolling up in Gaza.
Remember, it takes two to tango.
Posted by ACook at 01/31/2009 @ 8:51pm
hello ACook and JoMamma, just curious, what evidence do you have that representatives of Hamas fired the rockets that landed in Israel? I'm somewhat curious, as I have not heard any solid evidence that they were fired by members of Hamas. Bear in mind that Israel is none-too-popular with Hezbollah after their failed Lebanon invasion, not to mention the Syrians and various free-lancers who might also have wanted to take potshots into Israel -
Can you provide any links to evidence that would back the claim that Hamas was directly responsible?
Posted by canaro71 at 01/31/2009 @ 9:38pm
pls ignore above comment, I did some reading and concur, it's clear that Hamas has claimed responsibility for the majority of the rocket attacks,
it does, however, appear that the Israeli incursion of Nov 4th seems to have been what triggered the end of the cease fire.
Posted by canaro71 at 01/31/2009 @ 9:50pm
Can you provide any links to evidence that would back the claim that Hamas was directly responsible?
Posted by canaro71 at 01/31/2009 @ 9:38pm
Hmmm, you know? That is a most interesting question slash, point, a thinking persons kinda point. I do not know if your voice will carry that far into the depths of the peanut (whence it is aimed...) gallery. But an interesting point none the less.
Posted by V at 01/31/2009 @ 9:51pm
*Can you provide any links to evidence that would back the claim that Hamas was directly responsible?
Posted by canaro71 at 01/31/2009 @ 9:38pm*
Dunno if this is exactly "links to evidence" more than just pure logic, but Sderot is in the south of Israel, and Hezbollah is based out of Lebanon which is on Israel's northern border. Couple that with the fact that Hamas has taken credit (and used for propaganda purposes) with firing rockets into Sderot, and it kinda fits that Hamas is responsible. Now you could argue that it is another group (Islamic Jihad et al) that is firing, but since Hamas is the governing agency in Gaza, that would at the very least give them responsibility for the attacks.
BTW nothing in that previous paragraph should be construed as a justification for Israel's asymmetrical response.
Posted by yutsano at 01/31/2009 @ 9:53pm
*Remember, it takes two to tango.
Posted by ACook at 01/31/2009 @ 8:51pm*
You're halfway there ACook. Both sides of this conflict are going to have to realize that neither side will get everything they want out of any peace deal. But both have to make the conscious decision to stop being slaves to their reactionary wings and just start making peace. It takes two to dance the tango of peace but only one to make war.
Posted by yutsano at 01/31/2009 @ 9:56pm
Can,
Do you have evidence that there were no rockets fired?
My only source is the Idraelis I work with and know and what Oder from all the media sources from all sides. The message seems the same.
That being....
From the day the world gave the Jews a homeland where even the Bible says was awarded them thousands of years before by GOD,....I digress...
Ever since the beloved UN awarded some desert land where nothing seemed to be prosperous or prosper for at least a millenium, the people from around the area for thousands of square miles has sworn to kill the Jews off.
And despite 10s of millions of hostile Arabs and now Persians, with trillions of petro dollars , Israel has managed to survive, thrive, and prosper to the point that even the Israeli Arabs live what seems a better life there than in many Arab countrys, ....I digress again...
Israel has earned the right to keep the area the size of a park relative to the entire Arab world. Especially in face if the fact that all it's neighbors have attacked Israel numerous times and has had it's asses handed to them collectively and individualy...
The land is theirs...and Israel has given the world more Nobel winners,medical advances,industry improvements,Ect.
While Palestine has come up with(I am not sure yet)... However, the area seems to specialize in belts and a new way to attack buses full of passengers at malls and launch rockets as they declare victory after victory from the rubble if their own homes.
It seems endless.
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/31/2009 @ 10:15pm
Yutz,
Should you or anyone else continue to attack my house for days, muchless decades...
I will most definately respond to you as asymmetricaly as I can and hopefully you will get the message and stop. If not then i would finish it with you asymmetricaly as possible.
And would expect the same from you if roles reversed.
I do find it rather puzzling that none of the Arab brothers has ever stepped up with the spare billions to get Palestine on it's feet economicly so it can respond equaly on an economic level with Israel. Perhapstjen a mutual interst in trade can take place followed by peace and prosperity.
It would be a nice change.
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/31/2009 @ 10:30pm
Obama Releases Aid for Gaza
eek!
they're gonna use that money to buy FORKS TO EAT YOUR CHILDREN WITH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/31/2009 @ 10:58pm
israel blows up stuff and then
THE U.S. TAXPAYER PAYS TO FIX IT!
haven't you had enough?
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/31/2009 @ 10:59pm
From the day the world gave the Jews a homeland where even the Bible says was awarded them thousands of years before by GOD,...
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/31/2009 @ 10:15pm
god thinks bats are birds.
"The Creating Power said to them: "The first world I made was bad; the creatures on it were bad. So I burned it up. The second world I made was bad too, so I drowned it. This is the third world I have made. Look: I have created a rainbow for you as a sign that there will be no more Great Flood. Whenever you see a rainbow, you will know that it has stopped raining."
The Creating Power continued: "Now, if you have learned how to behave like human beings and how to live in peace with each other and with the other living things--the two-legged, the four-legged, the man-legged, the fliers, the no-legs, the green plants of this universe--then all will be well. But if you make this world bad and ugly, then I will destroy this world too. It's up to you."
The Creating Power gave the people the pipe. "Live by it," he said. He named this land the Turtle Continent because it was there that the turtle came up with the mud out of which the third world was made.
"Someday there might be a fourth world," the Creating Power thought. Then he rested."
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/31/2009 @ 11:06pm
The land is theirs...
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/31/2009 @ 10:15pm
Various Native American tribes had lived in the land that became Omaha, including since the 1600s, the Omaha, Pawnee, Otoe, Missouri, Ponca and Ioway. The word "Omaha" (actually UmoNhoN or UmaNhaN) means "Dwellers on the bluff".
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/31/2009 @ 11:11pm
The land is theirs...
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/31/2009 @ 10:15pm
ah, colonialism.
gotta love it.
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/31/2009 @ 11:12pm
The land is theirs...
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/31/2009 @ 10:15pm
so why do they insist on taking more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more?
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/31/2009 @ 11:13pm
oh, boy HAPPY, that sure is funny.
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/31/2009 @ 11:15pm
Fd,
The Poncas sold out and disbanded. Became part of the society until recently want more recoginition. Good for them.
The other tribes seem to have had the last laugh with casinos. Soon they might buy it back. My blondhaired blue eyed Arapahoe will be halt either way my sister in law is American Indian.
Maybe they should test it out by buying Canada.
I am sure you would go along if they promised you heathcare.
There are consequences when loosing wars, battles, and as we are about to find out...elections.
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/31/2009 @ 11:24pm
President Obama has released $21.3 million from the U.S. Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance (ERMA) Fund for use in the Palestinian region.
WOW! With the U.N. dispersing funds that is sure going to buy lots and lots and lots of longer range Iranian and perhaps even Chinese ROCKETS for them to fire at Israel, or maybe even more suicide bomber high quality explosive filled vests for women and children!
There is your vision for the future of Gaza in 2010! Watch for it in your favorite media!
Posted by comancheamerican at 01/31/2009 @ 11:30pm
More cowardly neo-con Dubya wanna-bes, who apparently wouldn't even retaliate against somebody who had murdered their family in cold blood.
Tsk tsk. Why do you hate freedom so much?
Posted by TexasFlood at 01/31/2009 @ 11:31pm
If somebody had bombed my loved ones into obliteration, I'd be doing something way more serious than shooting a crappy rocket at them.
Posted by TexasFlood at 01/31/2009 @ 11:33pm
and perhaps even Chinese ROCKETS for them to fire at IsraePosted by comancheamerican at 01/31/2009 @ 11:30pm
Yes, those would be the Chinese rockets created with American technology sold to Israel, which Israel then turned around and sold to China!
Isn't that so deliciously ironic?
Posted by TexasFlood at 01/31/2009 @ 11:35pm
Don't worry buddy, I'm sure they got a great price.
Posted by TexasFlood at 01/31/2009 @ 11:36pm
rio,
doesn't like china finance like everything in america?
oh yeah,
time to go back to "the bubble that broke the world".....
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/31/2009 @ 11:44pm
Yes, those would be the Chinese rockets created with American technology
Posted by TexasFlood at 01/31/2009 @ 11:35pm | ignore this person | warn this person
No, you are thinking about the CLINTON whitehouse that sold it all to the Chinese!
Posted by comancheamerican at 01/31/2009 @ 11:45pm
john,
please stop writing TUI.
it's unbecoming.
your friend,
me.
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/31/2009 @ 11:46pm
TUI?
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/31/2009 @ 11:53pm
The Israeli agents are back in force spreading the Zionist propaganda that God has given them Palestine and ordered them to ethnically-cleanse the Palestinians. The latest Israeli carnage in Gaza slaughtered 1400 Palestinians and wounded 5400; half of them were women and children. God can never condone this criminal behavior; how harsh can God be? Since the beginning of the Palestinian uprising against the Israeli occupation in 1987; the Israelis murdered 7000 Palestinians and wounded 50000; mostly stone-throwing kids. In the same period, the Israelis have demolished 75000 Palestinian homes in the occupied territories; quiet a rampage for God. In the last 10 years Hamas rockets have killed 23 Israelis. Hamas rockets don't have guided warheads; the explosive loads on these rockets are very small (2-5 Kilograms) mostly made from fertilizers. Hamas has been using these rockets to protest the Israeli blockade which began in 2005. Israel controlled Gaza's airspace, territorial water and all its border crossings, starving Gaza at will. Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, was quoted shortly before the swearing in of the new Hamas government as saying, "It's like a meeting with a dietitian. We need to make the Palestinians lose weight, but not to starve to death." Well, starving them he did; before his Nazi war machine moved in to finish them off. God, of course, has nothing to do with this atrocity; it is our Congress that quietly passes money to Israel at the rate of 10 million Dollars/day. Our Congress is the true cruel deity that is allowing Israel to commit all these war crimes. Israel shrewdly sends some of this money back to the USA to buy off members of Congress and the killing of Palestinians continues.
Posted by CripThink at 02/01/2009 @ 12:21am
typing under the influence.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 12:31am
The Hamas agents are back in force spreading Islams Terrorist propaganda! They apparently are not influenced by or sensitive at all to the fact that the body count is almost all THEIRS so they just keep hiding behind women and children counting them as sheep for the slaughter for their jihad/facist war machine)! That is all too obvious to most.
Right CpippledThink?
Posted by comancheamerican at 02/01/2009 @ 12:34am
Obama Releases Band-Aid for Gaza Posted by HAPPYLonghorn at 01/31/2009 @ 11:11pm
Long Horn,
I admire your honesty, you Zionist; 20 millions is very small Band-Aid indeed. We send as much to Israel every 2 days. The Israeli war machine inflicted 3 billions worth of damage on Gaza. Thank the wealthy Israeli lobby which controls our Congress. Also, thank your cousins who infest our mainstream media, lying and spreading the Israeli misinformation to brain-wash Americans. Long Horn, can you tell us how much of your tax-deductible donations go to Israel every year? You must send considerable amount money there. You admitted doing very well in the stock market despite the recent decline.
Posted by CripThink at 02/01/2009 @ 12:39am
The Hamas agents are back in force spreading Islams Terrorist propaganda. Posted by comancheamerican at 02/01/2009 @ 12:34am
Hey,
I will be delighted to start listing Talmudic lines of obscenities and hate directed at Jesus and Christians. Remember you Zionist, if you live in glass house, you shouldn't cast stones at others.
Posted by CripThink at 02/01/2009 @ 12:48am
TUI.... I like it, but I have been typing on an iPhone without glasses. No alcohol tonight, although, I think TUI should be thinking under the influence... Seems to fit some of the loons here.
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/01/2009 @ 12:55am
I will be delighted to start listing Talmudic lines of obscenities and hate directed at Jesus and Christians. Remember you Zionist, if you live in glass house, you shouldn't cast stones at others.
Posted by CripThink at 02/01/2009 @ 12:48am | ignore this person | warn this person
Lets do a line by line COUNT with the Koran and see just how that comes out!?
You game? (I lost count at 72 lengthy Koran verses!)
Posted by comancheamerican at 02/01/2009 @ 01:52am
ooh,
dueling books!
stupid humans.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 02:00am
Like I always say Frosty, a MIME is a terrible thing to waste!
Posted by comancheamerican at 02/01/2009 @ 02:03am
Rightwing American terrorists killed 168 Americans on April 19,1995.
JOMAMMA, how many rightwing Americans do you want to kill to stop the madness?
If Hamas won't recognize Israel, and you and Israel won't recognize the democratically elected Hamas...
Let the child killing progress...
WWJD?
Posted by crabwalk at 02/01/2009 @ 10:16am
"Israel has shown the first signs of bowing to the international outcry over its 11-day onslaught of Gaza after some 40 Palestinians sheltering in a United Nations school were killed.
Many children were among the dead in what Gordon Brown called the darkest moment yet' in the Gaza crisis.
...Israel had claimed Hamas militants were hiding inside the school, but the UN had denied this."
So, if you KNOW there are kids in the building, but you bomb it anyway because MAYBE some HAMAS ran in there... you must be the morally superior force.
What about if you kill a UN worker AFTER you told the UN worker where to go?
"Two United Nations contractors were killed by an Israeli tank shell today during an official suspension of hostilities designed to allow relief operations in the besieged Gaza Strip.
Richard Miron, a UN spokesman, said that the convoy was clearly displaying UN flags and livery. The Israeli army had been notified of the route of the convoy beforehand."
"The ICRC produced a graphic account of starving children stranded for days by the corpses of their parents at one bombed building in the Zeitoun refugee camp."
DO you FEEL better JOMAMMA, knowing that those kids are starving? Does it make you FEEL good because 5% of Palestinians want to make war on Israel?
I guess those kids and the UN workers were America Haters and anti-semites that deserved to die because some fucknut launched a rocket that hit nothing.
Posted by crabwalk at 02/01/2009 @ 10:27am
I recognize Hamas,Israel rscoginises Hamas... It us hard not to. But that is not the issue.
Hamas doesn't seem to recognize Israels right to exist as it seems neither do any if your 5%. And they seem to be the one with all the rockets and seem to be in position of leadership in Hamas and seem to be the one the MSM run to with cameras. If they are indeed a fringe group then why don't the other 95% who want peace and co exist with Israel do something? There catn't be many places to hide in Gaza.
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/01/2009 @ 10:43am
TUI .... Explains Darlaloon completely. Makes sense now.
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/01/2009 @ 11:00am
I think the whole Israel thing is bogus. The only reason I favor helping it remain a nation at all is because there are young people who have been born there and think of it as home. I realize that's sappy and sentimental but I'm like that. Meanwhile, let's look at this, shall we.
1. Israel's entire claim to the land is that God gave it to them 2000 years ago. What proof do we have that God gave it to them? The ancient Hebrews said so. Any further evidence? ...The ancient Hebrews said so. Are there any other times in history where a population has behaved badly and blamed it on God? Nah, that never happens.
2. Behaved badly? Yes. Slaughtered anyone living in the land and blamed it on their wicked ways. What evidence do we have that the people of the "promised land" were wicked? ...The ancient Hebrews said so.
3. History repeats itself. The Zionists swoop in and steal land, houses, and entire towns. But there wasn't anybody there, they insist. What evidence do they present? Their own say-so.
Who cares what the Palestinians called themselves at the time or how they were living? This is the same rationale Europeans had for taking over North America: "It's not like they were civilized or doing anything great or wonderful with themselves." Since when is that a reason to steal land? To commit genocide? To slander an entire population of people in the court of world opinion?
I changed my mind. I don't want to see innocent Israelis die, but I do want Israel removed. They were supposed to wait for their God to give it back to them. The UN and Britain and the United States are not God. Let them wait. And learn a sense of humility and compassion while they're at it.
Posted by danaseilhan at 02/01/2009 @ 11:27am
Also? The stuff in the Qur'an about Jews? Was about a specific group of Jews who sold Muhammad out to the Quraysh. Um, if a group of people goes behind my back and tries to get me killed after I tried to make peace with them, I'd be cussin' 'em too.
Generally the Qur'an teaches that although the Torah has been corrupted by human influence, it is still the Word of God and hence Jews are People of the Book just like Muslims are.
Missed that part, I guess... Where does it say in the Bible that other people besides Christians can have good relationships with God? Where does it say that in Torah? Hm, in the Torah it says to *kill* people of other faiths. Wow, but Jews are THE bastion of tolerance and rationality. Right. Only because some of you ignore large portions of your own scripture.
Posted by danaseilhan at 02/01/2009 @ 11:32am
WWJD? Posted by crabwalk at 02/01/2009 @ 10:16am
he'd wait in line at a bethlehem checkpoint.......
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 1:18pm
<i>Posted by danaseilhan at 02/01/2009 @ 11:27am </i>
What does it even mean to "have Israel removed"? Since I'm pretty sure (from the compassionate part earlier in the post) that you don't mean that in the obviously genocidal sense, you seem to be defending the removal of Israel as a nation and having the entire area be a Palestinian state. Forgive the bluntness, but...really?. Two things can happen:
1) The entire population of Israel leaves. To where, you might ask? Probably not the oh-so-friendly Arab countries that surround them. Europe, maybe? Well, with all the antisemitic incidents there, they might have second thoughts, especially since many of them are anti-immigrant. Lebanon, the "balanced-state"? Nope, because oddly enough, people get really nervous about a balanced state becoming unbalanced by a surge from one "faction." The United States? Seems problematic because only some percentage would actually get in.
Curious, because many of these are reasons Israel was created to start with.
2) A meaningful part of the population stays (let's say even the whole population). What would this new Palestinian state look like? Judging by their hungering for peace, probably not too friendly towards their Israeli brethren. Somehow, I suspect that the laws would work that way as well. In most surrounding Arab states, they certainly have, so I wouldn't be on Lebanon rather than, say, Saudi Arabia or Iran to be the likely governing model.
So, of two options which one seems better?
1) Change U.S. policy and give Israel incentives to alter those of its policies that are problematic (and there are a number of them), OR
2) Abolish Israel and just hope against hope that all will be swell
Seems clear to me.
Posted by Thrawn at 02/01/2009 @ 1:22pm
<i>Posted by danaseilhan at 02/01/2009 @ 11:32am </i>
Prooftexting is a bad form of argument, which is why your point about advocating the death of non-believers is exactly right. I know of very few in any of the three faiths who believe they have any right, much less duty, to kill those who do not adhere to their faith.
One other note, though: I actually don't see how the Bible precludes non-Christians from a relationship with God (see...Abraham?), or, for that matter, from salvation. I think much of that comes from readings of the text that are both technically incorrect and blatantly inconsistent with the character of God that they defend.
Posted by Thrawn at 02/01/2009 @ 1:30pm
1) The entire population of Israel leaves. To where, you might ask?
Crawford Texas. Lot's of room.
Posted by crabwalk at 02/01/2009 @ 2:05pm
Why are cons so against "collectivism", but all for collective punishment?
Posted by crabwalk at 02/01/2009 @ 2:06pm
21 million to rebuild Gaza and provide humanitarian aid. 3 BILLION a year to Israel for building military force that caused the destruction, settlements and walls. Why not divert that 3 billion to Palesstians who have suffered for 60 years under Israel military might. Adeline Hope Bianchi
Posted by Bianchi at 02/01/2009 @ 2:11pm
21 million to rebuild Gaza and provide humanitarian aid. 3 BILLION a year to Israel for building military force that caused the destruction, settlements and walls. Why not divert that 3 billion to Palesstians who have suffered for 60 years under Israel military might. Adeline Hope Bianchi
Posted by Bianchi at 02/01/2009 @ 2:11pm
Posted by Thrawn at 02/01/2009 @ 1:22pm |
There are nutty extremists on the OTHER side, too, THRAWN.
LVLIB and his cohort want the Palestinians to give up Gaza and the West Bank.
Both sides are the problem...not the solution.
Posted by Mask at 02/01/2009 @ 2:33pm
1. crabwalk, re: "how can [the conservatives] be so against collectivism, but so in favor of collective punishment?": EXCELLENT question, thank you for asking, very interesting
2. all of the above who commented re: the responsibility of Hamas, thank you for added insights. Agree that it seems clear that in a chaotic and permissive environment ruled by extremists, it will not be easy to rein in those who choose violence. I agree that in failing to do so, Hamas has abnegated one of its most basic responsibilities as a government. But what then, of Israel's responsibility to not kill civilians?
3. The whole "God gave us this land. It's ours because He said so" is, (for the record) ... exactly what the white Afrikaaner nationalists said about South Africa. Draw your own conclusions.
Posted by canaro71 at 02/01/2009 @ 2:33pm
"Or, if Hamas stops calling for the total extinction of Israel while firing those rockets, then perhaps the tanks would stop rolling up in Gaza" (ACook)
Don't be so smug and smarmy. Killing children and innocent civilians isn't a joke. The Native Americans, who YOU murdered and slaughtered and did exactly what Israel is doing to the Palstinians, could have their way, America would cease to exist also. Black South Africans also felt like that once. And without a drop of blood being shed,two equal visionaries, De Klerk was one and Mandela the other, prevented a bloodbath. By the way,according to President Carter on Charlie Rose,and who was there before and during the crisis, Israel broke the cease fire and did not keep its promise to allow food and water into Gaza, and that's why the rocket firing was resumed. Your type is always ready to judge one sidedly because you are ignorant and bogoted. Remember the history of the Bolshevik Revolution. the Polish genocide in 1940 and the Armenian holocaust.
Posted by mystic7 at 02/01/2009 @ 3:25pm
Many ignore the fact that Hamas did not com to existence until about 1988. The Israeli terrorist organizations: The Stern Gang, the Irgun and the Haganah (you may Google these names) have done most of the butchering and driving Palestinians out of their villages before 1948. Israel occupied Palestinian and Arab territories in 1967; it began the annexation of Palestinian land and building Jewish settlements since then. The Palestinian did not instigate or invent violence and terrorism, the Israelis did. The Palestinians had counted on the world for too long to grant them justice, but were coldly ignored. Violence is spreading in Palestine due to despair; the Israeli settlements activities have nearly swallowed the West Bank and Jerusalem. We Americans have contributed immensely to this injustice inflicted on the Palestinians. It is our Tax Dollar that is subsidizing the Israeli war machine and Israel settlements activities. Our politicians have traded political expediency with America's interest and American justice. Our Politicians have sold out to AIPAC and other Israeli lobbying groups so they can get money and media support and thus sold their souls
Posted by CripThink at 02/01/2009 @ 3:54pm
Many ignore the fact that Hamas did not com to existence until about 1988. The Israeli terrorist organizations: The Stern Gang, the Irgun and the Haganah (you may Google these names) have done most of the butchering and driving Palestinians out of their villages before 1948. Israel occupied Palestinian and Arab territories in 1967; it began the annexation of Palestinian land and building Jewish settlements since then. The Palestinian did not instigate or invent violence and terrorism, the Israelis did. The Palestinians had counted on the world for too long to grant them justice, but were coldly ignored. Violence is spreading in Palestine due to despair; the Israeli settlements activities have nearly swallowed the West Bank and Jerusalem. We Americans have contributed immensely to this injustice inflicted on the Palestinians. It is our Tax Dollar that is subsidizing the Israeli war machine and Israel settlements activities. Our politicians have traded political expediency with America's interest and American justice. Our Politicians have sold out to AIPAC and other Israeli lobbying groups so they can get money and media support and thus sold their souls.
Posted by CripThink at 02/01/2009 @ 3:54pm
1) The entire population of Israel leaves. To where, you might ask?
Crawford Texas. Lot's of room.
Posted by crabwalk at 02/01/2009 @ 2:05pm
My guess is the economy, prosperity, job creation, and security of Crawford, Texas would increase dramticaly..
as compared ...
..if the entire population of Palestine were to be transfered there..my guess is it wouldn't take long for crime rates to increase,language demands in shools, followed by islamic sharia demands, jihadists, suicide bombers would be taking up classes, and rockets imported from , I dunno, south of Crawford...and an office for ACLU lawyers set up to help sue Crawford into taking all the innocent victims in GITMO...
Crab,which group would you rather have in your community?
tough call for ya?
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/01/2009 @ 3:58pm
<i>Posted by Mask at 02/01/2009 @ 2:33pm </i>
Agreed; extremism makes resolution of this nasty problem very difficult.
<i>Posted by mystic7 at 02/01/2009 @ 3:25pm </i>
"The Native Americans, who YOU murdered and slaughtered"
Hmm, that's interesting. I'm not sure how old you believe ACook to be, but I somehow doubt that she was around when any of this was taking place.
That's not to say that your point isn't at least partially well-taken. Part of your post seems equally one-sided the other way, but nonetheless I would agree with you that both forms of one-sidedness are problematic. This is the real problem with approaches like those of Liberty. Even if all of the legalistic framework were completely correct, his analysis completely fails to consider the situation from the perspective of the people on the ground. No matter how much we believe a group to be in the wrong, it's not enough to simply say "they're wrong" without ever trying to understand why they do what they do. It's also problematic to assume that the ones with whom we have sympathized (for many, Israel) always act with unpolluted intentions.
One caveat, though: I didn't sense any tone of humor or smugness in ACook's post. Her point was serious: Israel is responding to ongoing attacks by Hamas. Is the response disproportionate? I would tend to think so, especially given the massive civilian casualties that, contrary to claims otherwise, cannot be blamed exclusively on Hamas.
Posted by Thrawn at 02/01/2009 @ 3:58pm
Posted by mystic7 at 02/01/2009 @ 3:25pm
The sad part of S Africa is that it is very quickly turning into Zimbabwe...the whites are being driven out by violent, uneducated gangs with govt inability or desire to stop them, and the brain drain will have it's toll..and return SA, as it has in Zimb,....back to the way it was when no one lived there at all...
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/01/2009 @ 4:08pm
By the way for those who think Israel can do no wrong, do you know that Israel supplies Zimbabwe with munitions? It also armed Georgia until Russia knocked Israel in the gut when it wiped out its air bases from which poor little innocent Israel wanted to attack Iran. Shucks!! now they'll have to fly over Iraq.My hope is that Russia will defend Iran and bomb the smithereens out of Israel. Decimate Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Oh joy!!
Posted by mystic7 at 02/01/2009 @ 4:18pm
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/01/2009 @ 4:08pm
when no one lived there??
when was that?
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 4:51pm
My hope is that Russia will defend Iran and bomb the smithereens out of Israel. Decimate Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Posted by mystic7 at 02/01/2009 @ 4:18pm
are you sure about that?
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 4:52pm
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/01/2009 @ 4:08pm
when no one lived there??
when was that?
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 4:51pm
Not real sure ..I would guess around the 15 and 1600s...
Before the Brits used it as a stop and resupply depot or waay station for their ships...
The area was unihabitable for the most part..
most people there migrated from the north after colonization produced jobs, agriculture and trade.
I do business with some guys from there...real interesting storys..these guys are uber libs(progressives,like most here, almost communistic in their approach to govt control of economy, except they admit it, you don't)... they used to make you and some of the others here look conservative in their views of govt.
Like you, they hung their hopes and futures pegged to Mandella and the SA govt(same worship you have for all things liberal, dem party, and Obama, real progressives)..but now, Mandella is gone and the place is run by Zimb wanna bes......so these guys are fleeing for their lives and their childrens lives..(many already moved their wifes and children to US, Australia, and Canada, )...and for their own futures..and bring warnings with them, that no one here will consider or even listen, too...
its not PC.
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/01/2009 @ 5:08pm
My hope is that Russia will defend Iran and bomb the smithereens out of Israel. Decimate Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Posted by mystic7 at 02/01/2009 @ 4:18pm
We know your hope...and can recognise a true lib when we see one..and a believer...you make it too easy.
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/01/2009 @ 5:10pm
South Africa contains some of the oldest archaeological sites in the world. Extensive fossil remains at the Sterkfontein, Kromdraai and Makapansgat caves suggest that various australopithecines existed in South Africa from about three million years ago. These were succeeded by various species of Homo, including Homo habilis, Homo erectus and modern humans, Homo sapiens. Settlements of Bantu-speaking peoples, who were iron-using agriculturists and herdsmen, were already present south of the Limpopo River by the fourth or fifth century (see Bantu expansion) displacing and absorbing the original KhoiSan speakers. They slowly moved south and the earliest ironworks in modern-day KwaZulu-Natal Province are believed to date from around 1050. The southernmost group was the Xhosa people, whose language incorporates certain linguistic traits from the earlier KhoiSan people, reaching the Fish River, in today's Eastern Cape Province. These Iron Age populations displaced earlier people, who often had hunter-gatherer societies, as they migrated.
from qwiki
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 8:38pm
It's amazing how free these cockroaches/anti-semites feel they can crawl out of their dark holes now and openly join with the jihadists in completing what they believe to be Hitler's partial victory
Posted by lvliberty1 at 02/01/2009 @ 6:49pm
Oh yes we joined that club along time ago, what drivel you speak...anybody who disagress with you or your vision of how Israel is portrayed is automatically called names. This type will never accept the right of Jews to exist...so we are now a type that have joined a club, oh what joy!!! Israel does exist doesn't it so what is your problem here...the sad thing is their existence is causing untold atrocities and no one is allowed to say anything about it. So before I get back into my dark hole that you have given me why don't you take a good long look at what Israel has done in Palestine before making wild statements at how innocent they are in your eyes.
Posted by Caj at 02/01/2009 @ 8:39pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 02/01/2009 @ 6:49pm
Larry, you don't want any compromises either. You're the same as them, just SLIGHTLY less hateful of the Other Side.
You want Palestinian control of Palestinian lands eliminated....they want Israeli control of Israel eliminated.
Both extremism with no real answers.
Posted by Mask at 02/01/2009 @ 8:39pm
Why are cons so against "collectivism", but all for collective punishment? Posted by crabwalk at 02/01/2009 @ 2:06pm
i've never heard sarah palin expressed so succinctly.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 8:40pm
tough call for ya? Posted by YourJomamma at 02/01/2009 @ 3:58pm
your bigotry is quite unbecoming.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=h4pXY82sNjg&fmt=18
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 8:44pm
WHITE PEOPLE MAKE THE WORLD GREAT!
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 8:44pm
Hmm, that's interesting. I'm not sure how old you believe ACook to be, but I somehow doubt that she was around when any of this was taking place.
it's stopped?
That's not to say that your point isn't at least partially well-taken.
WHITE PEOPLE MAKE THE WORLD GREAT!
Part of your post seems equally one-sided the other way, but nonetheless I would agree with you that both forms of one-sidedness are problematic.
fractals.
This is the real problem with approaches like those of Liberty.
DEMONS!
Even if all of the legalistic framework were completely correct,
printed by white people (the ones who make the world great).
his analysis completely fails to consider the situation from the perspective of the people on the ground.
willie pete'll teach 'em!
No matter how much we believe a group to be in the wrong, it's not enough to simply say "they're wrong" without ever trying to understand why they do what they do.
scandalous.
It's also problematic to assume that the ones with whom we have sympathized (for many, Israel) always act with unpolluted intentions.
willie pete'll teach 'em!
One caveat, though: I didn't sense any tone of humor or smugness in ACook's post.
read between the pixels ;+]
Her point was serious: Israel is responding to ongoing attacks by Hamas.
the wheels on the bus go round and round.
Is the response disproportionate?
willie pete'll teach 'em!
I would tend to think so,
don't you own a television?
especially given the massive civilian casualties that, contrary to claims otherwise, cannot be blamed exclusively on Hamas.
blame it on the humans.
Posted by Thrawn at 02/01/2009 @ 3:58pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 8:54pm
larry,
you are an anti-semite.
you even want to squish the christian semites.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 8:58pm
larry,
by your definition,
you are a cockroach.
would you like some sugar?
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 8:59pm
larry,
why haven't you inquired with mr. maasch as to the nature of his great white solution?
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 8:59pm
this type will never accept the right of Jews to exist. For them it is too much that Muslims have 99.4% of the Middle East and these Jews have 6 tenths of 1 percent.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 02/01/2009 @ 6:49pm
oh little town of bethlehem.....
jesus is waiting at the checkpoint.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 9:01pm
this type will never accept the right of Jews to exist. For them it is too much that Muslims have 99.4% of the Middle East and these Jews have 6 tenths of 1 percent.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 02/01/2009 @ 6:49pm
given to them by whom?
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 9:02pm
this type will never accept the right of Jews to exist. For them it is too much that Muslims have 99.4% of the Middle East and these Jews have 6 tenths of 1 percent.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 02/01/2009 @ 6:49pm
kinda sucks when that fraction means your orchid's getting plowed under.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 9:03pm
I have lived among the Xhosa people, and they are a beautiful. simple, farming people, full of life and laughter.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 02/01/2009 @ 8:42pm |
cool.
you should move back.
learn their books this time.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 9:17pm
WHITE PEOPLE MAKE THE WORLD GREAT! Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 8:44pm
"Our forefathers crossed the Atlantic And landed right here on the shore. They saw this beautiful island And said: "What could we want more?" And then those sturdy ( 'dirty') old Dutchmen Decided that they'd come to stay; Announced to the wandering red men: 'You've got to get out of the way!'"
"Hurrah for the orange and blue To C_ we'll ever be true. She give us the knowledge that sends us to college Hurrah for the orange and blue."
This was an official high school song, sung in assemblies, graduations, etc.
What a limerick. What crappy doggerel. Who could take it seriously?
Posted by A_Pax_On_Your_Houses at 02/01/2009 @ 9:24pm
hey Larry, very cool that you were in S Africa. I agree Xhosa is a beautiful language and if you had the privilege of hearing a massed choir singing together in Xhosa I am sure you will remember it always.
One thing nobody has ever been able to give me a good explanation for - why not a one-state solution for Israel/Palestine? Let the semitic peoples share the land that is their common heritage. One man, one vote. Equal rights for all.
The stumbling block that always comes up is that some Israelis say they could never do that without 'losing the Jewish nature of the state of Israel'.
But - (1) how is insistence upon Jewishness as a qualifier any different than Verwoerd's insistence on whiteness as a qualifier for South African citizenship?
and (2) on the contrary, wouldn't a willingness on the part of Israelis to share that small strip of real estate, with those who lived there eighty years ago, mark the complete coming home of the Jewish people? I only say this because it's not until a home is truly your own that you feel you can share it. Perhaps that, and that alone, would be the true "return".
Posted by canaro71 at 02/01/2009 @ 10:37pm
You seem to becoming a bit of a bigot towards the jews yourself. Posted by lvliberty1 at 02/01/2009 @ 10:12pm
not at all.
here i go again:
putting israel in the middle of the middle east was really, really dumb.
but there they are.
so be it.
i'm sure they just wanna work and watch t.v. like everybody else does.
but grabbing MORE land and SQUISHING more people must stop.
1967 and done with it.
the u.s. can print some money for reparations to the people left homeless.
split jerusalem.
sheesh.
saying i have something against jews because of the actions of the israeli government is like saying i have something against crabwalk because of abu ghraib.
don't go there, larry.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 11:15pm
You seem to becoming a bit of a bigot towards the jews yourself.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 02/01/2009 @ 10:12pm
so when the burmese government squishes people,
i am a bigot towards buddhists?
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 11:18pm
You seem to becoming a bit of a bigot towards the jews yourself.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 02/01/2009 @ 10:12pm
so when the iranian government throws muslims in jail,
i am a bigot towards muslims?
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 11:20pm
You seem to becoming a bit of a bigot towards the jews yourself.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 02/01/2009 @ 10:12pm
so when the u.s. government invades panama,
i am a bigot towards christians?
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 11:21pm
You seem to becoming a bit of a bigot towards the jews yourself.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 02/01/2009 @ 10:12pm
you've upset me quite a bit.
then again, what meaning does all this have coming from you, engineer of toddler dismemberment?
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 11:23pm
naοve fools:
http://www.flixxy.com/peace-through-music.htm
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 11:38pm
the above link is actually very cool.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 11:39pm
hey larry,
does god care if birds (not bats) are gay:
"GAY PENGUIN PAIR TIE THE KNOT
By STAFF REPORTER
Published: 27 Jan 2009
A PAIR of GAY penguins are so loved-up they have been given a WEDDING service.
The besotted male birds turned out to be such a great parenting pair their keepers thought they deserved a reward and let them marry.
They were once given the cold shoulder at the wildlife park in China for stealing heterosexual couples' eggs to nest as their own.
But after being allowed to try out with eggs rejected by their mothers the couple have become the zoo's best penguin parents.
Now keepers at Polarland Zoo in Harbin, north east China, have rewarded their devotion with a wedding day.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/02/2009 @ 12:52am
27 - 23
hmmmm.
"and springsteen is going to ruin the stuporbowl. go cards! pittsburgh by 5.2 (the secondary's gonna gobble warner up) Posted by frosty zoom at 01/25/2009 @ 02:36am"
look for 17% (officially 7%) inflation in 2010.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/02/2009 @ 01:03am
"..putting israel in the middle of the middle east was really, really dumb."
That is where God placed them in the first place..
You are a bigot and it is very unbecoming and disturbing...
Don't go there Frosty...
Your simple minded child like posts are disturbing.
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/02/2009 @ 01:54am
<i>Posted by YourJomamma at 02/02/2009 @ 01:54am </i>
Did He put all of those other people who are currently in the territory there, too? Not saying the early stories are wrong, just saying that maybe the notion of God being localized in a particular place is a little bit problematic, especially when it leads to really stupid foreign policy. I also wonder how the God who said "remember your experience in Egypt, and treat immigrants and refugees well" would feel about current policy. I'm not saying that Israel didn't have to do anything about Hamas; I'm saying they didn't have to respond to pinpricks with a tire iron and kill lots of civilians in the process. The notion of proportionality doesn't just exist for giggles.
Was there good reason to give the Jewish population a haven, after antisemitism had been rampant all across Europe and other parts of the world for a really long time? Oh yeah, and just for the record, antisemitism didn't start with Hitler, not by a long shot. It had some nasty roots all over Europe, including in British and even American thought. A lot of our racialized thinking back then was really dumb and awful (curiously, racialized thinking tends to be). I just hope we've dispensed with the nonsense about a "Jewish race."
Did we pick the best place for a haven? Maybe not. Has Israel made the smartest decisions on where to go from there? Not recently.
Posted by Thrawn at 02/02/2009 @ 02:16am
Thrawn,
Yeah HE did...and according to some of the stories, drove the other people out, made a covenant with Israel and the land....
I was just pointing out Frostys assinine statement with something any Sunday school or Shule kid can figure out.
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/02/2009 @ 02:20am
"That is where God placed them in the first place.. "
But, FROSTY makes childish comments?
God also placed the Arabs there.
Then She had her children split into 3 factions, then a dozen, then a hundred, now a thousand.
Silly God. She made us in her image. She must have issues, maybe spit personalities?
Posted by crabwalk at 02/02/2009 @ 07:15am
"That is where God placed them in the first place.. "
But, FROSTY makes childish comments?
God also placed the Arabs there.
Then She had her children split into 3 factions, then a dozen, then a hundred, now a thousand.
Silly God. She made us in her image. She must have issues, maybe split personalities?
Posted by crabwalk at 02/02/2009 @ 07:15am
Hey! let's make foreign policy based on "some of the stories"!!!
What could go wrong?
Posted by crabwalk at 02/02/2009 @ 07:18am
Let's fund the killing of blind people everywhere...it is one of the stories
"And David said on that day, Whosoever ... smiteth ... the blind that are hated of David's soul, he shall be chief and captain. Wherefore they said, The blind and the lame shall not come into the house." -- 2 Samuel 5:8
Posted by crabwalk at 02/02/2009 @ 07:22am
That is where God placed them in the first place.. You are a bigot and it is very unbecoming and disturbing... Don't go there Frosty... Your simple minded child like posts are disturbing. Posted by YourJomamma at 02/02/2009 @ 01:54am
didn't god put you in austria?
didn't god put the omaha in lincoln?
look, israel's there and it's done.
they are good people, like normal people anywhere.
but enough is enough.
1967 and done with it.
sheesh.
the great white solution man calls me a bigot.
between you and larry, it's like the IMAX projection room.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/02/2009 @ 09:23am
I just hope we've dispensed with the nonsense about a "Jewish race."
Posted by Thrawn at 02/02/2009 @ 02:16am
bigot.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/02/2009 @ 09:28am
I was just pointing out Frostys assinine statement with something any Sunday school or Shule kid can figure out.
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/02/2009 @ 02:20am
sunday school?
john, maybe you should have paid more attention in monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday school.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/02/2009 @ 09:32am
i am a bigot towards muslims?
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/01/2009 @ 11:20pm
THAT is okay with LL. Their religion is the "work of the devil" and is a "religion based upon hate" and "is a religion who's doctrines require the murder or subjugation of others"
So THAT kind of bigotry is okay.
Posted by Mask at 02/02/2009 @ 10:02am
<i>Posted by frosty zoom at 02/02/2009 @ 09:28am </i>
Eh? Why the "bigot" claim? Or was it a joke?
Posted by Thrawn at 02/02/2009 @ 10:12am
just a joke, thrawn.
anything that's not ISRAEL IS THE CAT'S PJS is met with accusations of "BIGOT!!!" by our local projection team.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/02/2009 @ 10:25am
"My hope is that Russia will defend Iran and bomb the smithereens out of Israel. Decimate Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Posted by mystic7 at 02/01/2009 @ 4:18pm"
"We know your hope...and can recognise a true lib when we see one..and a believer...you make it too easy."
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/01/2009 @ 5:10pm
Bulletin to JOMAMMA, if he is not busy glorying in his "Whiteness is the Answer, Whiteness is the Way, Thus I Will Breed without Inhibition" racially driven auto-congratulations:
Pre-emptive attack is YOUR doghsit NeoClown doctrine and you have spent years feeling yourself up about it. MYSTIC is one of yours when he or she makes sick comments about attacking civilians and "pre-emptive" slaughter with beyond-the-pale doses of chauvinism in the mix.
MYSTIC is one of YOU. Same shit, different flies. Now take ownership, the same way you undoutably would over a stale beer in a moldy glass in a cheap lap-dance dive.
Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 02/02/2009 @ 10:30am
Remember, murder and oppression does not validate murder and oppression. Though whatever violent activity Hamas undertakes is certainly not justified, there is proportional response, which Israel does not practice. And an unnecessarily high number of Palestinian civilians are suffering. What's important is, in America, there is a bias toward Israel, and not enough questions are asked. It's as if the life of a Palestinian does not equal that of an Israeli. Regardless, I think this conflict is emblematic of the downfalls and divisiveness of religion.
Posted by Jetfly83 at 02/02/2009 @ 10:31am
<i>Posted by frosty zoom at 02/02/2009 @ 10:25am </i>
Haha all right; just checkin'
<i>Posted by Jetfly83 at 02/02/2009 @ 10:31am </i>
Somehow, that last conclusion seems a lot broader than what the specific Israel-Palestine case would support...
Posted by Thrawn at 02/02/2009 @ 11:22am
21 million lousy dollars for an entire nation that was deliberatley brutalized by a gangster racists regime.what a joke.almost 60% of agriculture was deliberatley fire bombed and destroyed by the "humanist"jews.not even a chicken or a goat or a cow survived. so what happened to the "liberal" american jewry ?where are these freedom lovers who constantly bombard us with the holocaust stories and suffering of their people and anti semitism and all of that horse shit? I have a very simple suggestion for the american jews.yes indeed the very same people who force our kids to tour their holocaust centers and shrines and so on.what these jews need to do is to go to gaza and see the fruits and results of their disgusting and murdeorous complicity in this genocidal war.
Posted by excalibur999 at 02/02/2009 @ 11:41am
Bulletin to JOMAMMA, if he is not busy glorying in his "Whiteness is the Answer, Whiteness is the Way, Thus I Will Breed without Inhibition" racially driven auto-congratulations:
Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 02/02/2009 @ 10:30am
Phils back...must be the bolts are too tight then...I have 1 sibling..tell me you are the only one of your gene pool, shallow and brine as it is...
My multi racial family thanks you for defending them....
Idiotic Twit.
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/02/2009 @ 12:03pm
Posted by excalibur999 at 02/02/2009 @ 11:41am
You think maybe if you were using the word "Israelis" instead of "Jews" so often...
that the "hint" of anti-Semitism might not come up???
Posted by Mask at 02/02/2009 @ 1:15pm
Hint? I think that's just a bit too generous...
Posted by Thrawn at 02/02/2009 @ 1:29pm
Sadly, for rightwing debris, the latest "liberal" to be infected with the unholy canard that the Repugnant Party has a severe problem with outreach to people of color (largely due to things the Repugnants say and do) is ... Micheal Steele.
Whowouldathunkit?
What could have made Mr Steele such a shameless captive to this mean-spirited leftwing dogma that is nothing more than the vapors of the much-loathed "leftwing racism" to which LUVVIE astutely oriented out attention????
(from www.harpers.org)...
"Michael Steele, yesterday after winning the post of RNC chairman:
'We have an image problem," Steele said. 'We've been misidentified as party that is insensitive, a party unconcerned about the lives of minorities. I'm saying enough's enough, that day is over.'"
Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 02/02/2009 @ 1:40pm
My libertarian side often leans towards legalization of drugs in order to take the crinimals and drug lords out of business and allow Mexico to take control of itself again...so we don't have to go in there next..
but then I realized, the govt would tax the shit out of it, then sue the growers, and legislate it into an expensive luxury item for some and cheap cancer causing crap for others...and the crinimal would return to the business...only they would be government workers..
and a black market would start up again..since most kids can grow it in the garden...and because most kids can do that..it will never be legal since govt can't control it with taxes.
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/02/2009 @ 1:45pm
"My multi racial family thanks you for defending them...."
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/02/2009 @ 12:03pm
Glad to hear that, JOMAMMA. Perhaps you want to share your profound thinking on multi-racialty and breeding with your multi-racial family. Y'know, just to set everyone straight. After all, they deserve to know who is the omnisicient master who can explain the truth of racial hierachies & breeding behavior -- and can do so with a gutsiness that is liberated from unmanly PC restrictions.
These are your own words, JOMAMMA, so don't miss the opportunity to take full ownership of them. Expect to see this quote of yours, over and over and over again, in the future. It is a doozy:
"enter the country or live there and breed like crazy...Europe is hitting 25% Islamic soon, and US is hitting 35% Hispanic...PLUS..they are draining the social system of cash and resources while putting nothing back in of equal or greater values...plus being illiterate in their own language, the added pressure of the host country to "help" them is over bearing... ..add to this the fact that the liberals in the host country actually sue in court to give the invaders(un resticted and illegal immigrants) more rights than the host citizens, like push 1 for English and native language voting ballots, in state tuition...it won't take long and the Israelis will be voted out of their own country..legaly... learn from the Muslims in Europe and the Mexicans in the US how to invaded, destroy and take over a more sophisticated and wealthy society using their own wealth, productivity, generosity, and the local liberals against the locals in their own country, combined with the gigantic birth rates...victory with out a shot being fired.."
Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 02/02/2009 @ 1:48pm
Glad to hear that, JOMAMMA. Perhaps you want to share your profound thinking on multi-racialty and breeding with your multi-racial family. Y'know, just to set everyone straight. After all, they deserve to know who is the omnisicient master who can explain the truth of racial hierachies & breeding behavior -- and can do so with a gutsiness that is liberated from unmanly PC restrictions.
We have..thats where I learn new ideas and views...you should try it..
you are ever the idiotic twit...and around our table sopmetimes we use your posts as examples...of idiotic twits "solving" problems, generating insights and solutons without ever leaving home or school...
Your propellar(a red one) is spinning wildly again..doesn't the noise stop you from sleeping?
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/02/2009 @ 2:13pm
Phil,
"These are your own words, JOMAMMA, so don't miss the opportunity to take full ownership of them. Expect to see this quote of yours, over and over and over again, in the future. It is a doozy:
"enter the country or live there and breed like crazy...Europe is hitting 25% Islamic soon, and US is hitting 35% Hispanic...PLUS..they are draining the social system of cash and resources while putting nothing back in of equal or greater values...plus being illiterate in their own language, the added pressure of the host country to "help" them is over bearing... ..add to this the fact that the liberals in the host country actually sue in court to give the invaders(un resticted and illegal immigrants) more rights than the host citizens, like push 1 for English and native language voting ballots, in state tuition...it won't take long and the Israelis will be voted out of their own country..legaly... learn from the Muslims in Europe and the Mexicans in the US how to invaded, destroy and take over a more sophisticated and wealthy society using their own wealth, productivity, generosity, and the local liberals against the locals in their own country, combined with the gigantic birth rates...victory with out a shot being fired.."
Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 02/02/2009 @ 1:48pm
These are my words and they are true.
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/02/2009 @ 2:17pm
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/02/2009 @ 2:17pm
So given your statements on Muslims and Mexicans, MAASCH....
that "more sophisticated and wealthy society" would be "white" and "Christian", right?
Posted by Mask at 02/02/2009 @ 2:34pm
to mask
i be honest with you.i can care less if some refer to me as an anti semite.i know i,m not.i deliberatley vent my anger at the american jews since they are the biggest supporters of these atrocities that are committed by the nazi-zionists.the problem with most american jews is that they have reduced themselves to nothing but a bunch of mercenaries and willing executioners of zionism.they are the ones who send their sons and daughters from different cities across this nation to serve(in occupied lands)in the israeli army.i do remeber when willam goldhagen accused the german people of being the willing executioners of the third reich.i really do not see any difference here.if the germans did so for the third reich then the american jews should be charged with the same accusation too since their moneatry,political and physical support(sending their kids to kill palestinians) for the zionist regime has caused tremendous suffering for those occupied people for the last 61 yrs.
Posted by excalibur999 at 02/02/2009 @ 3:51pm
Posted by excalibur999 at 02/02/2009 @ 3:51pm
You know you're not...but you mention "Jews" in your post, not "Israelis" or even "Zionists".
That kind of like the guy who says "Hey, just because I'm noting how many blacks are in prison, how much black-on-black violence there is, how much welfare blacks get, and all these stories about some black guys raping a white woman (with few of the reverse)...it's not racism, just the facts. I know I'm not a racist!"
Posted by Mask at 02/02/2009 @ 3:56pm
did you know that no one lived in south africa until white people made it great?
john maasch taught me that.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/02/2009 @ 4:02pm
Posted by Mask at 02/02/2009 @ 2:34pm
No. It wouldn't...
Let me try this...
Americans, of every color,religion, race, whatever, but completely culturaly American move into say, Mexico, or any place...and show up illegally, enter school systems,demand govt funds, get mortages in Mexico(try that one)..ignore all the customs and culutral trends that would make you a Mexican citizen, in fact the Americans actually demand the state..local and Federal govts of Mexico give out free health care, foods,housing, even demand to vote in local elections ...and all my demands are in English...set up TV stations in English, everything to a point but never become Mexican in any way or form, in fact want to separate into a part of Mexico that would be comfortable for Americans and American culuitre as dominant..and as the group that enters Mexico, we have little or no ability to function in America nor are proficient in English and yet when the Mexicans took a look at the over all influence of our presence noticed that we are now 1/3 of the population blend with 10-15% illegal...then we hold power street demonstrations making demands for us, don't you think the Mexicans and the Mexican govt would wonder, just a little bit...of whats going on..and what is the long and short term affect on the country or its people?
Now you can substitute any race, creed color or religion you prefer and use the model and apply it to any society..
Try Candaian Indian Tribes going to say, Japan using the same senarios that the Muslims and the Mexicans use in their migration patterns in Europe or the US.
You look and see a racist comment and I am looking at the actual logistics and the effects.
It aint racist..it is a senario being played out.
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/02/2009 @ 4:04pm
I was pleased that Obama sent aid to Gaza. He should let the Israeli know exactly where the food is so they do not drop white phosphorous on "American" donated supplies. You cannot put out those fires with water. We would not want that to happen again!
Posted by P. J. Casey at 02/02/2009 @ 4:22pm
THE MEXICANS!
THE MUSLIMS!
OH WHITE, WHITE GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN US?
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/02/2009 @ 6:42pm
THE MEXICANS!
THE MUSLIMS!
OH WHITE, WHITE GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN US?
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/02/2009 @ 6:42pm
Are you really that simple? Whats the matter with you.
My God, man, come on..
Posted by YourJomamma at 02/02/2009 @ 8:12pm