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RedditWASHINGTON -- The 'We Are One' Obama Inaugural Celebration concert at the Lincoln Memorial Sunday was carefully choreographed to be light on politics. This was always intended as a feel-good event, and it was.
But U2 frontman Bono gave the crowd at least a little something to think about.
Toward the end of the concert that drew half a million people to cheer Bruce Springsteen and Pete Seeger (singing a spirited "This Land Is Your Land"), Mary J. Blige, Stevie Wonder and the president-elect, U2 took the stage.
Before launching into "Pride (In The Name Of Love," the band's tribute to the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.,) Bono noted that the crowd was gathered on the mall where King delivered his "I Have a Dream" speech.
"Let freedom ring. On this spot where we're standing 46 years ago Dr. King had a dream. On Tuesday, that dream comes to pass," before launching into 'Pride (In The Name Of Love)', U2's tribute to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
"This is not just an American dream," he said, adding that it was "also an Irish dream, a European dream, an African dream... an Israeli dream... and also a Palestinian dream."
The mention of the Palestinians, in this semi-official setting, with Barack Obama sitting just a few feet away, will not change the circumstance on the ground in Gaza. It is unlikely to inspire a more engaged or functional U.S. policy with regard to the Middle East.
But Bono deserves a measure of credit for reminding the partygoers that peace and justice, for Israel and Palestine is a part of the dream.
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bono?
who cares.
c'mon obama, cut the crap.
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/18/2009 @ 9:22pm
Too bad MLK and Inauguration have been sullied by Israel and its US hand maidens.
All the high minded speeches and lofty goals ring hollow.
Just another day Bono. Thats the reality.
Posted by OneVote at 01/18/2009 @ 9:39pm
"Give peace a chance" by John Lennon could also be used....that word, peace sounds so simple but to achieve it is another story. It's time for the US to take a harder stance with this Israeli policy, if it continues the way it is peace will be just a word in that region and nothing more. We have been backing Israel for years and there just seems to be no end to what they want....Palestine want them to leave and take their soldiers and tanks with them and then perhaps peace talks can come about. We wouldn't dream of having a ceasefire or hold talks when we were being more or less held hostage in our own land by soldiers and tanks, so why would anyone expect Palestine to do so?
Posted by Caj at 01/18/2009 @ 9:58pm
"I can't precisely decide whether these children are being shot at as a target, but in some cases the bullet comes from the front of the head and goes towards the back, so I think the gun has been directly pointed at the child."
The Israeli Attack Forces at "work".
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/18/2009 @ 10:07pm
c'mon, mr. obama:
Their mother was hit twice but survived; Abedrabo said that their grandmother, waving a white flag at the front of the terrified family procession, lost an arm to another bullet.
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/18/2009 @ 10:08pm
The Israeli Attack Forces at "work".
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/18/2009 @ 10:07pm
If that is the case then that is disgusting and how we and the world can just sit back and accept that is totally abhorrent. I' m sure if it is true, Israel will come back and say they are sorry it was mistake like they always do!!
Posted by Caj at 01/18/2009 @ 10:13pm
Entire inaguration turned into lefty Hollywood HBO millionare rock star" how much we care "show. It looks like an infomercial for the uneducated class that believes everything will be perfect and fixed because Obama is here and now we will get ours along with a govt check and job.
This is embarassing to watch,which is why I turned it off before it starts. Football is more real at this point.
Watching the press orgasm as they have for the last 2 years is too much for even me. I wish Obana well and hope he survies the coming economic calamity as he and his fellow socialists in Congress spend us even deeper in the hole than Bush , as our currency is reduced to wrapping paper .......and as the "progressives" even demand more spending.
Party and celebrate on....it maybe a long time before you party again.
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/18/2009 @ 10:14pm
Party and celebrate on....it maybe a long time before you party again.
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/18/2009 @ 10:14pm
Another doom and gloom person haven't you had enough of that for the past 8 years? Let the country enjoy this happy time, if it's not for you well that's your choice but to moan because others are enjoying themselves is so sad.
Posted by Caj at 01/18/2009 @ 10:28pm
Can,
Of course celebrate !!! I love the way we exchange power without a shot begining fired.
I lament the "commercial specticale" the whole thing has been turned into by Hollywood and the media.
What how the news already is being reported .. Everyone says everything is getting better!!!
Be aware you are being sold a pig in a poke. Bush leaving will not change much of what is happening... You just bought the idea of a change.
And times will get harder. This is not the 4 th quarter and the you are ahead....you have just been sacked for a huge loss....and you don't know it.
A Little football lingo there.
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/18/2009 @ 10:42pm
Obama will do nothing for Palestine. He has already declared Jerusalem non-negotiable. Obama is changing history because now Caesar is black, the Emperor is now black. But the Empire will continue. He already accused Venezuela of "exporting terrorism" and will no doubt follow the same US line of policy towards Israel. The world is simply euphoric because they want Bush to leave, but give it a few months or a year to discover that the system remains the same.
Posted by fellini115 at 01/18/2009 @ 11:02pm
Posted by fellini115 at 01/18/2009 @ 11:02pm
Aside from even more and worse drunken spending....
I believe you are correct.
And the Progressives are already under the bus and he hasn't even been sworn in yet...
He is part of the Chicago machine, hand picked for this position at this time..he is not a black descendant of slavery that has been down for the cause...he has been groomed for this with bills paid by someone else the entire way..
and I like the guy...disagree with all his "ideas", but I like the guy...he will be fine... for the press with protect him...just sit back and watch.
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/18/2009 @ 11:16pm
Great concert.
And that's it, just a great concert.
Tonight, Monday, we'll learn more of the lethal legacy of poison W & the GOP are leaving us, as the pardons start showering down on the war criminals et al ... let the good times roll, indeed.
Holder could make his waterboarding = torture declaration, secure in the knowledge that he'll never lift a finger against the perps once the pardons bless 'em all, the rich, the short & the tall.
Posted by sloper at 01/18/2009 @ 11:19pm
Dr. King would have never wanted something like this to go on. If anything, he probably would have said "now is not the time for celebrating when so many still suffer". And in this economic downturn, he most certainly would have asked for all that donated money (or most of it) be given to those charity organizations who are on the front lines (both domestic and international) of providing the poor with food, medicine, clothing and clean drinking water. But that's not gonna happen because from this point forward his new found "constituents" will pay to play.
Posted by ACook at 01/18/2009 @ 11:51pm
I enjoy the faux concern for homeless people from the conservatives here.
Sore losers.
Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:20am
I'm impressed that you've actually managed to compound fallacies here. Not only does your argument rely on the fallacy of ad hominem, but the ad hominem claim itself isn't even warranted!
Posted by Thrawn at 01/19/2009 @ 12:28am
thrawn - who are you addressing?
Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:43am
I enjoy the faux concern for homeless people from the conservatives here. Sore losers. Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:20am
my concern is true.
$200,000,000 while 6,000 people roam the icy streets of d.c., homeless.
build those folks houses!
THE INAUGURATION CAN BE HELD AT HALF-TIME DURING THE STUPORBOWL.
anything's better than springsteen.
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 12:46am
frosty - from what I can tell, you're not "conservative"
or are you?
Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:51am
There has not been one Israeli in Gaza since 2006!
To all you anti-Israelis (or is it anti-semites). Tell me what country in the world would allow over 3000 rockets to be shot into their country by a group that advocates for their destruction and not finally respond?
Hamas has had a chance to better the plight of their people the last 3 years and all they could do was continue the violence and terror. Check out their charter, it still calls for the destruction of Israel.. It is a shame that they have made the life of the innocent of Gaza so terrible.
Why didn't all of you yell and scream on Christmas day when Hamas shot over 80 rockets into Israel? Did Bono make a statement? The incredible double standard that you all don't even realize exists.
Posted by swordfish at 01/19/2009 @ 01:02am
well,
i believe we need to conserve this poor planet we are made from.
and we need to be much more fiscally conservative and end fiat money.
socially, hardly.
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 01:07am
If it is (also) a Palestinian dream, MLK was not acutely aware of that. Throughout his public life, MLK never once uttered a statement of solidarity with the suffering of the Palestinian people or a statement of protest against the usurpation of their land and liberty. If anything at all, MLK seemed to subscribe to the notion that the conflict with Israel was no more than a case of antisemitism (not unlike the position taken by Jeffrey Goldberg in his recent New York Times op-ed).
Our dreams today are much bigger than those of MLK. But do the Palestinians have the same dream (that one day the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood). Relatively few.
Do Israelis have the same dream? Relatively few.
When neither side of a conflict holds out, at least as a dream, the hope of radical reconciliation (the table of brotherhood), two things ensue. One, the hope of stemming the bloodshed remains abysmal. Two, those who see value in that radical dream acquire the responsibility of dreaming on behalf of the two blind sides of the conflict. I take Bono's words in this sense.
What does Bono know about the conflict? What dream does he have for the people crushed by this conflict? I do not know, but I am glad he found the courage to mention Palestinians by name.
How many people heard him? Did Obama hear him? Did it make any difference? Again, I do not know, but I not very optimistic. Obama, so far, has shown himself to be a driven political animal. He has not said anything to indicate displeasure at the blocade of Gaza. And his very first act after clinching the required number of delegates for the nomination was to drop his pants to AIPAC in a most abject display of politcal harlotry. Hope?
Posted by casualnation at 01/19/2009 @ 01:08am
Our Hope and Our Dream
The one true thing that Bush has said, Is that the presidency is bigger than the way he has lead.
America the Beautiful's Spirit will restore, Hope and dignity deep within the heart of our citizen core.
It's been so long since we could trust, But now we are embarking upon America"s restoration thrust.
May the world's international leaders learn, And understand the time is now for the war page to turn.
What would it look like if the world were to unite, And get behind a higher cause, and choose to fight for right.
The world"s women and children clearly need to be, A part of the equation for education and justice globally.
I understand right now it is just a dream, But Gandhi and MLK believed and we COULD work hard as a team.
So let us not allow our world citizenship to depart, And empower "the declaration of independence in our heart."
Welcome Obama! And your beautiful family too Hooray! For you have restored the HOPE to our most beloved red, white, and blue.
Posted by PrairieDeb at 01/19/2009 @ 01:46am
To me, it wasn't a celebration as much as it's The Obama Team trying to rally people out of the black hole Bush & Co have pushed us into. It's a matter of self-esteem. Listen to the songs that were song, the speeches. I, for one, am thankful for the concert.
Posted by tpiper at 01/19/2009 @ 02:29am
>c'mon obama, cut the crap.
>Posted by frosty zoom at 01/18/2009 @ 9:22pm
c'mon, fz, you know he can't cut the ground under his feet...
Posted by WWW at 01/19/2009 @ 02:39am
<i>Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:43</i>
Yourself, actually; I was challenging your "faux concern" claim. Interesting given that liberals have advanced the exact same argument...
Posted by Thrawn at 01/19/2009 @ 03:14am
Glad he said it..he paused for a bit and did that pensive 'should I' look did you notice Obama's face when they switched back to him close and tight: blank. He looked reserved but his mind was probably goin 'oh s#!+' tomorrow's gonna be fun with the press...
Posted by tie1on at 01/19/2009 @ 04:14am
There has always been a Plan for Humanity, as there has always been Dedicated, advanced and Awakened Souls to that Plan -- who point the way, and who live by the below creed "that we are One" -- and -- to their mission to help implement and fulfil that Plan for Humanity, which began so many years ago by our Solar Logos, and implemented by those messengers of Light: Christ, Buddha, and others (lesser and greater).....
"I am a messenger of Light. I am a pilgrim on the way of love. I do not walk alone but know myself as one with all great souls, and one with them in service. Their strength is mine. This strength I claim. My strength is theirs and this I freely give. A soul, I walk on earth. I represent the ONE." -- Discipleship in the New Age I, pg. 140
These advanced and awakened or enlightened Souls know that we are one. That we incarnate into the body, the flesh, from that one Source and that when we die or leave that body, we return to the One Source, which each thread of living, lighted, loving Soul originates from (for the blood is the life, and all blood is one colour, red). And to that they are dedicated -- to that conscious knowing and thereby living on earth.
Posted by Angellight at 01/19/2009 @ 07:39am
Let the country enjoy this happy time, if it's not for you well that's your choice but to moan because others are enjoying themselves is so sad.
Posted by Caj at 01/18/2009 @ 10:28pm
For me, this is like attending a New Year's Eve party. I don't drink. So on 12/31 I watch everyone get stinking drunk, but if I say you should drink some water so your hangover isn't so bad tomorrow, all the sudden I'm the turd in the punch bowl for reminding people that there is a tomorrow.
And I look at the twenty-somethings suckin' face in the corner who, with the help of a dozen drinks, have created "true love". And if I say, know, the odds of even liking the person you wake up with tomorrow (once the beer goggle come off) is slim to none, well, I just don't undestand the magic of this New Year's Eve because this New Year's Eve is different from all the other New Year's Eves that have ever come in the past becaue U2 is playing this New Year's Eve.
I mean, get a load of this: "On this spot where we're standing 46 years ago Dr. King had a dream. On Tuesday, that dream comes to pass."
Forty-six years later the illegitamcy rate in the black community is 70%. Does that change tomorrow?
MLK had a dream that one day men would be judged by the content of thier character, not the color of their skin. But the color of their skin, combined with their pants around their knees, and gold teeth and tatoos, are a marker for a culture that instills apalling character traits such as anti-education sentiments, lionizing gansta' and thug behavior, and crass materialism.
Do all of those things disapper on Tuesday.
Signed,
The Turd in the Punchbowl.
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 01/19/2009 @ 08:14am
A concert unlike any Washington has seen unfolded Sunday at the Lincoln Memorial, expressing the hopes and dreams of a nation on the cusp of enormous change. ***********************************************************
The election of Barak Obama is a sign of enormous change that has occurred over the last 46 years. This enormous change occurred as a result of enormous effort by people who wanted to change the culture.
The change was not the result of politicians and judges dictating laws. The change was not the result of politicians shuffling other peoples' money around.
All the rock stars in the world combined with all of your wishful thinking and hope couldn't change a light bulb.
Change always requires heavy lifting. Until you sigh up a few people who aren't allergic to heavy lifting your hope for change will produce nothing.
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 01/19/2009 @ 08:25am
I enjoy the faux concern for homeless people from the conservatives here.
Sore losers.
Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:20am
I don't care about the homeless people; I care about your hypocrisy. Your side is always telling Conservatives that they should be better people and help the homeless, and yet, when you have the chance... nothing.
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 01/19/2009 @ 08:35am
Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 12:20am
I don't care about the homeless people; but neither do.
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 01/19/2009 @ 08:36am
Do all of those things disapper on Tuesday.
Signed,
The Turd in the Punchbowl.
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at
You must be a load of fun to be around, do you not want any glimmer of sunshine or hope in your life....you sound so depressing!!
Posted by Caj at 01/19/2009 @ 08:54am
Posted by Caj at 01/19/2009 @ 08:54am
Darin grew up on Reagan, vindicated with Gingrich, and actually believed Rove and Dubya when they talked about "permanemt majorities" and thought Fox News was going to "crush the power of the Liberal Media".
Now the GOP controls nothing, Bush most reviled President since Nixon, Republican brand along the lines of a Ford Pinto, and the Hard Right isn't likely to get anyone even 1/2 sympathetic to their issues (try "global warming is a hoax") in their lifetimes.
He's not "depressing"...he's depressed.
Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 09:08am
Well, for all the doom and gloomers out there about the Inauguration with all it's excitement for so many people, I feel sorry for you as it will be a start to better things for this country. If you enjoyed the last 8 years then maybe not...but for the rest of us this is a time to celebrate a new administration with new ideas and much as the word is disliked "hope" for us all.
Posted by Caj at 01/19/2009 @ 09:54am
I don't care about the homeless people . Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 01/19/2009 @ 08:36am
watch it. god reads this blog.
so does mr. karma.
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 11:02am
Well, for all the doom and gloomers out there about the Inauguration with all it's excitement for so many people, I feel sorry for you as it will be a start to better things for this country. If you enjoyed the last 8 years then maybe not...but for the rest of us this is a time to celebrate a new administration with new ideas and much as the word is disliked "hope" for us all.
Posted by Caj at 01/19/2009 @ 09:54am
new ideas like shuffling away the homeless?
obviously, ANYTHING is better than bush.
'cept maybe president palin.
nonetheless, $2000000000000000000000000000 on vanity is wrong.
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 11:06am
"I'm impressed that you've actually managed to compound fallacies here. Not only does your argument rely on the fallacy of ad hominem, but the ad hominem claim itself isn't even warranted!"
what fallacies are being compounded?
and here's something that's getting extremely tiring -- posters on this website love the words "ad hominem" and "straw man" etc.
Please already. People attack each other and subjects are changed all the time. So enough with this you brought up an 'ad hominem' or 'straw man' so you're debate tactics aren't right.
puh-leaze.
Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 11:10am
MLK had a dream that one day men would be judged by the content of thier character, not the color of their skin. But the color of their skin, combined with their pants around their knees, and gold teeth and tatoos, are a marker for a culture that instills apalling character traits such as anti-education sentiments, lionizing gansta' and thug behavior, and crass materialism.
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 01/19/2009 @ 08:14am
In 2004, the states with the highest divorce rates were Nevada, Arkansas, Wyoming, Idaho, and West Virginia (all red states in the 2004 election); those with the lowest were Illinois, Massachusetts, Iowa, Minnesota, and New Jersey. The highest teen-pregnancy rates were in Nevada, Arizona, Mississippi, New Mexico, and Texas (all red); the lowest were in North Dakota, Vermont, New Hampshire, Minnesota, and Maine (blue except for North Dakota). "The 'blue states' of the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic have lower teen birthrates, higher use of abortion, and lower percentages of teen births within marriage," Cahn and Carbone observe. They also note that people start families earlier in red states--in part because they are more inclined to deal with an unplanned pregnancy by marrying rather than by seeking an abortion.
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 11:10am
I truly cannot stand Paul Hewson. This multi- multi- multi- millionaire shrieks from behind his designer eyewear about the poor of the Earth and the downtrodden at concerts that, at 100+ dollars per ticket, only the well-to-do can really afford to attend. This rock star, 5-star champagne dribbled down the front of his unbuttoned blouse, gives a "shout out" to a people who have just come out from under one of the worst atrocities in recent history, at the party for an incoming president who hasn't bothered to mention these people over the past three weeks as they have suffered horribly, and who has made a relationship so close to the Israeli war criminals and thugs that no daylight appears between them.
Paul Hewson and corporate American rock'n'roll are the end of hope for political change in the tortured areas of the world. Plight and suffering become fashion accessories legitimizing cocaine-dusted rock stars who have naked supermodels hanging on their arms.
Down with Bono. Down with "U2". Down with the plutocra-cized radical politics of mogul celebrity entertainers.
Posted by syfriendly at 01/19/2009 @ 11:25am
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/18/2009 @ 10:07pm | ignore this person | warn this person
The Israeli "soldiers" (terrorists) are shooting Palestinian children like doves, for sport, as far as one could tell.
Posted by syfriendly at 01/19/2009 @ 11:26am
Posted by ACook at 01/18/2009 @ 11:51pm | ignore this person | warn this person
I agree! Dr. King would have deplored having such a celebration in the face of the atrocities in Gaza! He would have been APPALLED by this inaugural party.
Posted by syfriendly at 01/19/2009 @ 11:29am
we'll see, next time a republican gets elected to president - if all the conservatives claiming mlk would be appalled by an inaugural will call for the republican president to not have one.
doubt it.
Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 11:32am
This country has been stuck in reverse for a decade... and DTBFT has gotten rather used to it. See how he blames the victims... See how he longs for the 'good old days' of days of fabricated economic booms and endless senseless war without even a hint of diplomacy...
Frosty doesn't like U2 or Springsteen... something about the music... yeah, well... what about the message, Mr. Zoom? Especially compared with the big truck dumb f*ck drunk boy country anthems we've been 'encouraged' to listen to for so long...;^)
Football metaphors?
The American people have been in the stands... watching a 'fixed' game played by amateurs who never loved the game enough to study the rules of Democracy... so they paid off the refs... So now...We're going to bring the 'spirit of Democracy' back to this country, and let the people chose sides for everyones authentic enjoyment of some great Football!
Israel is unable to restore Palestine... and Israel's exclusive use of weapons, violence, and aggression gives ample testimony to their impotence in this regard. The Palestinians need the support of the world... encouragement to put their 'pea shooters' away... and take their rightful position in the two country solution... by guaranteeing the peaceful pursuance of their own prosperity and that of their neighbors. Israel can allow this... and must in the long run... but it is the world's responsibility, not Israel's.
Happy birthday MLK... and God bless America and the wonderful world she is a part of!
Posted by ttr at 01/19/2009 @ 11:33am
Plus ça change…the more innocent people die at the hands of the Israeli and US war machines. Plus ça change….
Posted by feinfein at 01/19/2009 @ 12:07pm
Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 11:32am
Hypocrisy is their stock and trade.
You'll note their reversal on "obsessed with hating the President" in the next few months...and their chastisement of "wanting America to fail so you can get your power back" (when all we will see are "predictions" (aka hope) that America takes a turn for the even worse, so that they can come back in 2010 and 2012!).
Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 12:18pm
Bummer....Yaaaawn!
Posted by WWW at 01/19/2009 @ 12:21pm
Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 12:18pm...
Yeah... gonna pee into the 'public pool' until some GOP savior runs in and cries "foul".
For them... winning and Democracy are mutually exclusive.
They would have LOVED British rule of the colonies...;^)
Posted by ttr at 01/19/2009 @ 12:56pm
we'll see, next time a republican gets elected to president - if all the conservatives claiming mlk would be appalled by an inaugural will call for the republican president to not have one.
Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 11:32am
8 years ago, the liberal elites were appalled that Bush spent $40 million. Obama's at $170 million.
Shut up.
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 01/19/2009 @ 12:57pm
Hypocrisy is their stock and trade.
Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 12:18pm
Well, Mr. Pot...
And with regard to power, I don't care about having power. For me it's enough to be right.
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 01/19/2009 @ 1:03pm
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 01/19/2009 @ 1:03pm
Really? So what if you were proven wrong and Obama right?
Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 1:38pm
The propaganda operation is now in full swing, the objective: damage control. For example, the American Jewish Committee is having a number of its members send the same "essay", disguised in each case as a personally written "opinion" essay, to newspapers all over the world: http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/01/04/they- lob-chutzpah-bombs-too/
Posted by syfriendly at 01/19/2009 @ 1:39pm
DarinthebigfatTroll - touched a nerve!
I love doing that.
Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:40pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 01/19/2009 @ 1:06pm
You forgot to throw in 1932, LVLIB...
and let's look at all those examples-
1. 1932. Next Repub President was Ike. Who had a 85% top marginal rate, created the Dept. of Health, Education, and Welfare, and warned of a "military-industrial complex".
2. 1964. Next Repub was Nixon, who created detente with the Soviets, opened up Red China, and gave us the EPA and OSHA.
3. 1994. Next Repub was Dubya, who HAD to run on being a "compassionate conservative" to try to tie Al Gore and who promised to be a "uniter, not a divider". And you yourself have said "Bush wasn't a true conservative".
So...for over 70 years, NOBODY, not even Reagan (who didn't cut a single Department, end welfare...and in fact RAISED TAXES on corporations with the 1986 Tax Reform Act)...
has lived upto YOUR politicl views...have they?
Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 1:42pm
darinthebigfattroll wrote: "And with regard to power, I don't care about having power. For me it's enough to be right."
rationalizing impotence now....NICE!
Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 1:42pm
With the bodies now being pulled from the rubble, the death toll in Gaza has surpassed 1,300, with over 4,300. The atrocious Israeli war criminals have attempted to create Ariel Sharon's great slaughter in the Sabrila and Shatila refugee camps in 1982. This is Israel's worst war crimes and crimes against humanity since that incident.
We can never forget what Israel has done. We can never forget, and never forgive. The savages must be held accountable and made to stop.
Over 5,600 people killed and injured, so that Tzipi Livni and Ehud Barak can remain electorally competitive, so that Israeli "self esteem" can be restored after their 2006 war on Lebanon. Israelis esteem themselves based on much slaughter their army can successfully commit.
Never, ever forget, and never forgive.
Posted by syfriendly at 01/19/2009 @ 1:53pm
All this hypocrisy over the cost and fanfare for Obama's Ignauguration..wonder what kind of reaction we would have got if it were McCain up there instead? Some will complain about anything and most are just sore losers, get and move on.
Posted by Caj at 01/19/2009 @ 1:57pm
Two things LL will argue until he's blue in the face:
Jesus hates fags,
and Ronald Reagan can do no wrong!
Posted by urmygyro at 01/19/2009 @ 2:01pm
Reagan lowered taxes overall including in 1987 ending far lower than he started.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 01/19/2009 @ 1:55pm
yeah, and he doubled the national debt.
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 2:02pm
Posted by casualnation at 01/19/2009 @ 01:08am
Casualnation,
Your questions about Obama's commitments and motives to neutrality in the Middle East are appropriate, specifically in the light of appointing Hillary to the State Department. Hillary Clinton loaded the State Department to the rim with Israeli agents. Ignoring the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, as he did during the Gaza carnage, is not an option for Obama. Neutrality is not an acceptable option for the Israeli Lobby in America; remember the infamous speech of their stooge George W. Bush "Have to be with us or against us"; middle ground is not an acceptable option for the Zionists. They are too powerful, too dominant and too in control to accept middle of the road solutions. Israeli Politicians are masters when it comes to political deception and blackmail. Remember, they bombed the UN compound in Gaza on the eve of UN chief visit to Israel; giving him and his UN the finger, to put it in a layman term. By attacking Gaza and committing so much killing and destruction; they have given Obama another finger. Remember, Obama was floating a rumor about his intention of making a conciliatory speech to the Muslim World after inauguration. Well, the Israelis don't like this and always tried hard with their American agents to poison the well between America and the Muslim World. That was one of many reasons of why they were so brutal in Gaza. They have succeeded in poisoning the well and gave Obama a far-reaching finger. Obama, I hope I am wrong on this, is too surrounded to articulate an answer
Posted by CripThink at 01/19/2009 @ 2:03pm
All this hypocrisy over the cost and fanfare for Obama's Ignauguration..wonder what kind of reaction we would have got if it were McCain up there instead? Some will complain about anything and most are just sore losers, get and move on.
Posted by Caj at 01/19/2009 @ 1:57pm
no. i "won".
obviously mr. obama was the better of the two "choices".
nonetheless, $2000000000000000000000000000 spent on vanity while people live on the streets is shameful.
i can have a great party for free.
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 2:04pm
NO, THE PALESTINIAN DREAM IS NOT FREEDOM BUT ISRAEL'S OBLITERATION.
The affirm it openly, again and again, in the PLO Consitution, in the Hamas charter, in Hizbullah's basic principles.
They demonstrate it action, again and again as -
- In 1948 when a partition line between a Palestinian and Jewish state was called a line to be marked "by fire and blood" and justification for "a momentous massacre."
- In 1967 when the offer to swap the conquered territories for peace was rejected with, No Peace, No Compromise, No Negotiations.
- In 2000 at Taba when a Palestinian homeland deal was rejected because it did not allow 4 million Palestinians to make their home in Israel.
- In 2005 when the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza was immediately followed with rockets fired into Isreal from atop the abandoned settlements.
Now BONO and Nichols and The Nation insist, that the Palestinians want freedom, peace, justice, when in fact, that is what they have been fighting AGAINST for sixty years.
Posted by Hugo_Pirovano at 01/19/2009 @ 2:05pm
i can have a great party for free.
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 2:04pm
Nothing is free..
...you continue to make my point over and over.
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 2:49pm
Ahhhh, I see a lot of Bushies and Repugnants venting their frustrations and anger at Obama, even before he has been sworn in. We understand your M-I-S-E-R-Y and your ardent desire for Obama to fail - -
What - A - Bunch - Of - Looooooooosers, you all are !!!
It amazes me how y'all can rave and rant after having 'served up' your disastrous, worst President ever, Mr 'CHIMPY' for the last eight years !!
Keep doing what you are doing and you will remain a permanent minority for a loooong time !!!!!
BTW, y'all can 'sing - the - blues', tomorrow at the inaugural, in your own private holes - -
Posted by Mad As Hell at 01/19/2009 @ 2:50pm
Posted by Hugo_Pirovano at 01/19/2009 @ 2:05pm
Hugo_Pirovano,
Your posting reflects one of the following: You are either a Zionist who is lying openly for propaganda purpose. Or, you are a brain-washed ignorant who grew up attending Jewish-only religious schools. First of all, the Israelis had their fix on annexing the West Bank and East Jerusalem since 1948, as part of Greater Israel. They are not about to give it up now or then; their expansionist intention is engraved on the wall of the Israeli Knesset. Second, can you tell me why it is that a Jew who was born and lived most of his life in Poland has the more right to come to Israel than a Palestinian who was born in Palestine? Third, contrary to the Zionist propaganda; Israel has never fully withdrawn from Gaza. They withdrew from 75% of Gaza and kept a security zone along their border with Gaza; barring Palestinians from entering that zone. In addition, the Israelis kept control of Gaza's airspace, territorial water and all border crossings to Gaza. In Essence, the Israeli were choking and starving Gaza since 2005. The Palestinians were merely trying to attract the world attention to their misery by firing their primitive rockets.
Posted by CripThink at 01/19/2009 @ 3:02pm
And you keep making a disingenous argument on Reagan. Reagan lowered taxes overall including in 1987 ending far lower than he started.
Posted by lvliberty1 at 01/19/2009 @ 1:55pm
You have to be careful here. Even though Reagan slashed rates....
Scratch that "Even though"
Becasue Reagan slashed rates, there was an explosion of economic growth. The increased growth more than offset the reduction in rates (combined with simplifying deductions) so that total tax receipts to the Treasury increased.
So Reagan raised taxes by cutting taxes.
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 01/19/2009 @ 3:04pm
and never forgive.----Posted by syfriendly at 01/19/2009 @ 1:53pm
So....permanent war?
Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 3:15pm
Taxation Statistics > Tax revenue > % of GDP (most recent) by country
#112 United States: 11.2 % 2005 ... #113 Guinea: 11.13 % 1999 ... #114 Germany: 11.04 % 2005 ... #115 Sierra Leone: 11.03 % 2004 ... #116 Ethiopia: 10.81 % 2002 ... #117 India: 10.16 % 2004 ... #118 Nepal: 10.14 % 2005 ... #119 Switzerland: 10.04 % 2002 ... #120 Tajikistan: 9.82 % 2004 ... #121 Guatemala: 9.63 % 2005 ... #122 Pakistan: 9.53 % 2005 ... #123 Yemen: 9.42 % 1999 ... #124 Panama: 9.26 % 2001 ... #125 Rwanda: 9.05 % 1992 ... #126 China: 8.86 % 2004 ... #127 Congo, Republic of the: 8.54 % 2003 ... #128 Bangladesh: 8.11 % 2004 ... #129 Cambodia: 8.02 % 2005 ... #130 Iran: 7.91 % 2005 ... #131 Bhutan: 7.39 % 2004 ... #132 Oman: 7.39 % 2001 ... #133 Sudan: 6.39 % 1999 ... #134 Congo, Democratic Republic of the: 6.32 % 2002 ... #135 Central African Republic: 6.03 % 2004 ... #136 Bahrain: 5.49 % 2005 ... #137 Afghanistan: 3.87 % 2005 ... #138 Burma: 2 % 2002 ... #139 United Arab Emirates: 1.72 % 1999 ... #140 Kuwait: 0.98 % 2005 ... Weighted average: 17.5 %
lower some more! see where it'll get you.
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 3:16pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 01/19/2009 @ 1:55pm
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 01/19/2009 @ 3:04pm
First, to LL alone, my point is that for longer than YOU have been alive, your politics have been a non-starter.
Second, for you and Darin, I actually was making TWO points on Reagan and taxes...you conflated them.
1. His top marginal rate at the height of what is termed the "Reagan recovery" (post-1982 into his re-election and afterwards 1985)....was FIFTY PERCENT (50%) on incomes over $175,500. Adjusted for inflation, call it $195,500. Now, if OBAMA proposed a 50% tax on the top percentiles like that...you guys would go nutsy.
But since that was the SAME RATE, you're forced to say "It was atleast BETTER than in 1980 with a 70% top marginal"....while unable to prove via that historic example that "a 50% top marginal rate would crush the economy"....since it didn't.
2. He RAISED corporate taxes in the 1986 Tax Reform Act. The spin from the White House (and those Righties who have any memories of it...most don't) is that "He didn't raise taxes...he 'closed loopholes'!" ...which is odd because whenever a Democrat (Clinton to Obama) says that...you guys call it "essentially a tax hike!"....which essentially it is.
But he DID sign that bill and it DID raise taxes on corporations....and "he" was Ronald Wilson Reagan.
Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 3:21pm
The Palestinians have been fighting oppression,starvation,disease and what not for 60 years.Roadblocks and blockades from the Mediterranean which is illegal when it is done at sea in sovereign waters(12miles).The Palestinians just want food and medical supplies and a country to call their own.The world doesn`t react to a Palestinian call to oppression without violence because Israel won`t let press but pro-Israeli press into Gaza or any where else.As outsiders we need to be better informed and not from partisan information from the left or right but news around the world to get an informed opinion.I personally work a lot of Palestinians who are either first or second generation Americans that have family in Gaza and the rest of Israel and they are treated as second class citizens in more ways that can be counted.They are struggling against an oppressive gov`t that is slowly committing an Holocaust in my eyes.I have ben to the Hlocaust museum in D.C. and it is a sad place where you just can`t think of such an atrocity could happen and yet in my view it is happening again.I have never agreed with our position on Israel.We are in it up to our ears and we need to help broker a Peace Deal that will work for everyone involved.Thank goodness this isn`t about religion or it will never be put to rest.
Posted by crease at 01/19/2009 @ 3:26pm
As an American citizen I do hear by swear to and attest that I shall give our new President and commander in chief the equal RESPECT and HONOR that was so lovingly bestowed on his Predecessor!!!
Posted by comanchenation at 01/19/2009 @ 3:39pm
comanchenation,
I would take your oath if you allow me to add the following:
Unless Obama challenges the Israeli policies; that would create a conflict of loyalties for me.
Posted by CripThink at 01/19/2009 @ 3:51pm
Posted by comanchenation at 01/19/2009 @ 3:39pm
RIO, thinks that none of the criticisms of Bush were warrented...ergo, he's perfectly "justified" to attack Obama from Day One, Hour One...and not be a total hypocrite to the complaints he had against "Bush Derangement Syndrome liberals" and "wanting America to fail so they can get their power back"...
which of course he WILL be.
Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 4:14pm
1. His top marginal rate at the height of what is termed the "Reagan recovery" (post-1982 into his re-election and afterwards 1985)....was FIFTY PERCENT (50%) on incomes over $175,500. Adjusted for inflation, call it $195,500. Now, if OBAMA proposed a 50% tax on the top percentiles like that...you guys would go nutsy.
But since that was the SAME RATE, you're forced to say "It was atleast BETTER than in 1980 with a 70% top marginal"....while unable to prove via that historic example that "a 50% top marginal rate would crush the economy"....since it didn't.
Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 3:21pm
Mask, in 1979 the economy was a sick joke. I can't remember if I've mentioned this before (not really ;-) ) but Carter lost in a 49 state landslide. Mondale only won his home by several thousand votes.
Cutting the rate from 70% to 50% was a fantastic first step toward improving economic efficiency.
If someone sprays acid in your eyes and you are completely blind for a decade, getting one eye back (50%) is a big advantage. Not as big as getting both eyes back (28%) but definitely a huge improvement. Just because it's an improvement over being totally blind doesn't make it an "acceptable" situation when you can just as easily have both eyes back.
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 01/19/2009 @ 4:31pm
Never, ever forget, and never forgive.
Posted by syfriendly at 01/19/2009 @ 1:53pm
Israel managed their big objective to kill as many Palestinians as possible before "they" decided to move out. Of course they always have the power to do what they like when they like, so don't hold your breath that they will be gone for too long.
Posted by Caj at 01/19/2009 @ 4:34pm
2. He RAISED corporate taxes in the 1986 Tax Reform Act. The spin from the White House (and those Righties who have any memories of it...most don't) is that "He didn't raise taxes...he 'closed loopholes'!" ...which is odd because whenever a Democrat (Clinton to Obama) says that...you guys call it "essentially a tax hike!"....which essentially it is.
Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 3:21pm
He raised taxes on mutual insurance companies (Differential Earnings Rate Tax) Well at least he tried to. The company I was working for played around with the calc long enough until a negative number popped out and we paid negative taxes which reduced our taxes. We did this for several years and forced the IRS agent to admit that the law did not prohibit a negative adjustment. Then Congress had to amend the law to floor the calculation at zero because we weren't the only ones.
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 01/19/2009 @ 4:39pm
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 01/19/2009 @ 4:39pm
But I digress. Yes he raised corporate taxes, but more importantly, he did away with favored industries.
The tax environment of the '70s gave Congress almost limitless control to meddle in corporate affairs. Lobbies got this break for oil and gas and that break for seatbelt and catalytic converters, and the other break for safer toys. This airline got a tax break if they doubled the number of direct flight to Congressman A-hole's home city.
A million pages of tax breaks were wiped out and with it, Congress's ability to meddle in corporate affairs. As a matter of economic efficiency, this was a no brainer.
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 01/19/2009 @ 4:42pm
Bono and U2 proud sponsor of blackcoptemedia.com They just need to play music did you know politics and music do not mix! His head is swollen like the goodyear blimp
Posted by thesid at 01/19/2009 @ 4:47pm
But I digress. Yes he raised corporate taxes..---Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 01/19/2009 @ 4:42pm
That's all I said, but apparently some (LVLIB, SJCHER, etc.) don't seem to remember that.
Posted by Mask at 01/19/2009 @ 4:56pm
Mask, you spend too much time fighting straw men. The Wesley Snipes-type kooks that say zero taxes are all hanging out at the Ayn Rand websites.
Here my "gotcha" question for you: As a percentage of GDP how much did the Feds collect when the top rate was 90%, 70%, 50%, 28%, 33% and 36.9%?
If you said 20% ± 1% then you're a winner.
50% of nothing is still nothing. Learn it. Know it. Live it.
Posted by Darin_the_Big_Fat_Troll at 01/19/2009 @ 4:57pm
...you continue to make my point over and over.
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 2:49pm
i've never been anywhere near your head.
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 5:13pm
i've never been anywhere near your head.
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/19/2009 @ 5:13pm
Could it be the double cheek hat you are wearing is covering your eyes?
Posted by YourJomamma at 01/19/2009 @ 5:28pm
OBAMA PROVES WHITES NOT AS PREJUDICED AS WE THOUGHT !
By Greg Jones (originally written/released March 24, 2008)
" There's no way America would vote for a black president !.....America's not ready for a black president." That has historically been the sentiment and attitude shared by the majority of blacks in America due in part to the fact that we have always been under the assumption that most whites are so prejudiced that a black president in America would just never happen. But one of the most incredible things that has arisen through Barack Obamas campaign has been the vision of mass numbers of white people at each of the Obama rallys showing great love and support for this credible, intelligent, gifted, strong leader....who happens to also be black. It has been incredibly eye-opening and uplifting, and it, for the first time, shows us blacks that we have actually been wrong in our assumption that most whites are prejudiced toward us. Guess what ? Although you do have the exceptions to the rule, the fact is....most whites ARE NOT racist toward blacks. This is a very important revelation. VERY !!!
We, as blacks have held on to our injured history, which we rightfully feel was caused by whites, to such a degree that we have never had the opportunity to see or learn that the prejudiced attitudes of whites does not exist today like it had in the past. We just didn't know. We knew that a lot of whites like black music. We knew that millions of white women love Oprah, but we thought that was just a 'woman thing'. But in all honesty, we had no idea, until now, that white people of all ages....even older ones...could be as supportive of a black candidate as they have shown in great mass. We, as blacks have been wrong !
And now, to my black brothers and sisters....It's
Posted by gregjones at 01/19/2009 @ 5:31pm
Please visit: http://www.Blacks4Barack.blogspot.com to complete above article
Posted by gregjones at 01/19/2009 @ 5:33pm
NO, THE PALESTINIAN DREAM IS NOT FREEDOM BUT ISRAEL'S OBLITERATION.
Posted by Hugo_Pirovano at 01/19/2009 @ 2:05pm
The Zionist War on Nazi Germany
Most people are not aware that in March, 1933, long before Hitler became the undisputed leader of Germany and began restricting the rights of German Jews, the American Jewish Congress announced a massive protest at Madison Square Garden and called for an American boycott of German goods. London Daily Express 24 March 1933The Daily Express (London) published an article on March 24, 1933 announcing that the Jews had already launched their boycott against Germany and described a forthcoming "holy war". The Express urged Jews everywhere to boycott German goods and demonstrate against German economic interests.
The Express said that Germany was "now confronted with an international boycott of its trade, its finances, and its industry....In London, New York, Paris and Warsaw, Jewish businessmen are united to go on an economic crusade."
The article went on, "worldwide preparations are being made to organize protest demonstrations."
On March 27, 1933 the planned protest at Madison Square Garden was attended by 40,000 protestors (New York Daily News headlines: "40,000 Roar Protest Here Against Hitler").
Similar rallies and protest marches were also held in other cities. The intensity of the Jewish campaign against Germany was such that the Hitler government vowed that if the campaign did not stop there would be a one-day boycott in Germany of Jewish-owned stores.
Posted by OneVote at 01/19/2009 @ 6:39pm
continued............
Hitler's March 28, 1933 speech ordering a boycott against Jewish stores and goods was in direct response to the declaration of war on Germany by the worldwide Jewish leadership.
That same spring of 1933 there began a period of private cooperation between the German government and the Zionist movement in Germany and worldwide to increase the flow of German-Jewish immigrants and capital to Palestine.
Growing anti-Semitism in Germany and by the German government in response to the boycott played into the hands of the Zionist leaders. Prior to the escalation of anti-Semitism as a result of the boycott the majority of German Jews had little sympathy for the Zionist cause of promoting the immigration of world Jewry to Palestine. Making the situation in Germany as uncomfortable for the Jews as possible, in cooperation with German National Socialism, was part of the Zionist plan to achieve their goal of populating Palestine with a Jewish majority.
"For all intents and purposes, the National Socialist government was the best thing to happen to Zionism in its history, for it "proved" to many Jews that Europeans were irredeemably anti-Jewish and that Palestine was the only answer: Zionism came to represent the overwhelming mjaority of Jews solely by trickery and cooperation with Adolf Hitler." [1]
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/jewishwar.cfm
Posted by OneVote at 01/19/2009 @ 6:40pm
Posted by Hugo_Pirovano at 01/19/2009 @ 2:05pm
Looks like the "Jews" declared war on Hitler - "holy war" in 1933.
As per your reasoning with Palestinians -Hitler's response was appropriate?
Posted by OneVote at 01/19/2009 @ 6:45pm
The only thing I'm going to say is why in the name of God is anyone listening to Bono? I used to love U2. Now? They are obscenely over the top wealth wise not to mention Bono and Edge evade taxes, both are megalomaniacs, both qualify as flaming egotistical asses. Their comprehension of suffering and poverty is about as far away from real as Mars is to Earth.
Why we elevate people like Bono and even Oprah to such benevolent status is beyond me. It's sickening.
I have great hope for Obama and his team. I remain excited and optimistic for this country. But remember, it is "we the people" who are the government and who implement change, not one man.
Elizabeth Tjader
Posted by eatjader at 01/19/2009 @ 6:59pm
Questions:
How can we form any position when we have witnessed the lies and propaganda foisted upon us by our politicians and media? (Iraq war, corporate welfare, etc.)
Hamas was democratically elected but not recognized by Israel or the U.S., and so-why agree with the argument that the world needs a democracy in the middle east?
No sitting President has ever mentioned that Israel has atomic weapons- weapons of mass destruction - so why the scare tactics re: India, Pakistan, Iran and their wmd's?
Is it true we gave Israel 3 billion dollars in "aid" and did Israel use that money to assemble the fifth largest military in the world?
Is Israel in violation of international law by occupying Jerusulem?
Why do people who question the motives and policies of Israel get labeled as anti-semitic? What is a semite exactly?
My family and I believe that God is love (Allah and Jehovah also) so why the killing for land and wealth? Why not negotiate and compromise - that's how all the wars end anyway.
Are there any country clubs for African Americans, Hispanics, Asians and Native Americans, or Jews? Did one of their members steal billions of dollars a la Maddof?
Jews comprise 5% of our population - does this small minority have undo influence politically, socially etc.?
Taxes,the environment, welfare, infrastructure, education, and health care are issues in which names such as liberal conservative democrat republican patriot traitor etc, are bandied about but if Israel is the topic these terms recede or disappear and anti-semite predominates - why?
Maybe these are the questions: How do we determine whose land is whose? How far back do we go and to whom do we listen? What business is it of ours?
Peace and remember - follow the money
Posted by marxson at 01/19/2009 @ 7:56pm
Peace and remember - follow the money Posted by marxson at 01/19/2009 @ 7:56pm
marxson,
You raised very valid points. Follow the money and follow the executives and news editors'desks of the American mainstream media and you will find a bunch of Israelis in American citizens' costumes. Follow the Israeli Lobby's money further, and it will lead you to every office of very Congressman and Senator in Washington. The US Congress is an Israeli occupied territory; so much to our so-called representative democracy. Don't expect any change soon, unless we change the way we finance our elections. This won't happen, since the Israeli Lobby will not permit it.
Posted by CripThink at 01/19/2009 @ 8:24pm
Thank you for giving voice to the Palestinians Bino. Christine
Posted by qchristine at 01/19/2009 @ 8:49pm
IDF Propaganda machine:
guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israel-foreign-ministry-media
Posted by freenation at 01/19/2009 @ 10:26pm
Thank You! Bono....
Posted by freenation at 01/19/2009 @ 10:27pm
IDF Propaganda machine:
guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israel-foreign-ministry-media Posted by freenation at 01/19/2009 @ 10:26pm
freenation,
Great read, it reminded me of Joseph Geobbels, Hitler's chief propagandist. Deception has been Israel's trademark since its creation in 1948. Like the Nazis, the Israelis work to manipulate public opinion with one hand while using the other to commit horrendous war crimes. The killing in Gaza is just a modest example.
Posted by CripThink at 01/19/2009 @ 11:51pm
Everybody on this list will probably want to pick up Jimmy Carter's new book on the Palestinian tragedy. He has taken a courageous stand in his previous book by labeling the horrors of the Palestinian occupation "apartheid". Once the bullets start flying, God help anyone in the way.
Posted by kconway at 01/20/2009 @ 6:25pm