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RedditYou thought the infighting between the McCain and Palin factions was bad before the election? Try now. Angry McCain aides, who believe the Alaska Governor harmed the GOP ticket, are going to do their best to make sure Palin gets the blame.
Already word is emerging that Palin "didn't know that Africa was a continent rather than a country," reported Fox News's Carl Cameron, based on conversations with McCain aides, didn't know which countries were in NAFTA and didn't prepare for her disastrous interviews with Katie Couric. I'm skeptical about some of these claims--it wouldn't be surprising if jilted McCain aides are now trying to make Palin look even worse--but Palin's capabilities have been overestimated before. Like the idea that she was ready to be vice president.
New details have also emerged about Palin's shopping sprees. Reports Newsweek:
Palin's shopping spree at high-end department stores was more extensive than previously reported. While publicly supporting Palin, McCain's top advisers privately fumed at what they regarded as her outrageous profligacy. One senior aide said that Nicolle Wallace had told Palin to buy three suits for the convention and hire a stylist. But instead, the vice presidential nominee began buying for herself and her family--clothes and accessories from top stores such as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus. According to two knowledgeable sources, a vast majority of the clothes were bought by a wealthy donor, who was shocked when he got the bill. Palin also used low-level staffers to buy some of the clothes on their credit cards. The McCain campaign found out last week when the aides sought reimbursement. One aide estimated that she spent "tens of thousands" more than the reported $150,000, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband. Some articles of clothing have apparently been lost. An angry aide characterized the shopping spree as "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast," and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books.
Some of these details are trivial and some of them are not. But the overall pictures matters, since Palin is angling to become a leader of the GOP in wilderness and possible nominee in 2012. Top conservatives gathered for a strategy session in Virginia today, and the Politico's Jonathan Martin reported that "Palin will be a central part of discussion."
Memo to Republicans: be careful what you wish for. Palin may have potential but right now she's a major liability. CNN asked its viewers, in an unscientific sample, whether Palin had a positive or negative effect on the Republican ticket. Seventy percent chose the latter.
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I'd just like to come back to her not knowing Africa was a continent and not a country.
and the fact it's FOX NEWS reporting it?!?!?!??!
I guess there are some things even THEY won't ignore.
Put Sarah Palin in your "We Dodged A Bullet" File, folks.
No way sane Republicans (there are STILL some and they have the purse-strings) let her win the nom in 2012.
Posted by Mask at 11/06/2008 @ 1:04pm
She'd make a good side-kick for Anne Coulter. Both of them are crude enough to crap in bed and kick it out with their heels.
Posted by bobforer at 11/06/2008 @ 1:10pm
WOW! is all I can say. I guess Latin America is also a country!
Posted by chiefgarner1 at 11/06/2008 @ 1:17pm
SHOULD WE BE SURPRISED THAT CONTROVERSY SURROUNDS SARAH PALIN? WE HAD THE CLUE IN HER NATIONAL INTRODUCTION AS BEING SOMEONE WHO FOUGHT HER OWN PARTY ON ISSUES IN ALASKAN POLITICS. HENCE THE TERM "MAVERICK" WAS APPLIED TO HER IN THE CAMPAIGN. I SUSPECT THAT WE ARE SEEING A REPEAT OF EARLIER DIVISIVE POLITICAL TACTICS USED BY GOV.PALIN. REMEMBER: PAST IS PROLOGUE
Posted by HISTORYWITNESS at 11/06/2008 @ 1:19pm
I say GO FOR IT!
If the Repubs are that stupid to set Palin up as the party leader, they deserve the permanent minority status that they have earned!
Posted by Metteyya at 11/06/2008 @ 1:26pm
Before the Republicans go "all in" with Ms. Palin in 2012, they may wish to first run that proposal past some odds-makers in Vegas...
That city wasn't built by practicing the type of race handicapping stupidity recently displayed by the GOP
Posted by lumenpro at 11/06/2008 @ 1:37pm
Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 11/06/2008 @ 1:13pm
Lemme guess, you were rejected by a girl resembling Bristol back in your sophmore year and you never got over it.
Posted by ACook at 11/06/2008 @ 1:48pm
Posted by lumenpro at 11/06/2008 @ 1:37pm
I seriously doubt The Real Power Players in the RNC are going to allow Palin to win the nomination in 2012....UNLESS...
Obama is scoring in the 60s or even high 50s on job approval, economy rolling along, relative peace overseas.
If he is...they MAY sacrifice her, holding their REAL "starting line-up" in reserve for 2016.
Let her go down in flames like Alf Landon and then blame the "Paliniacs", undermine their influence in the Party, and move back to saner pastures. (enough allusions?...heheh)
If it looks "winnable" for the GOP in 2012....Palin won't stand a shot. Romney or somebody like him will get all the endorsements and Fox News will start putting out EVEN MORE stories about Saint Sarah the Fecund and cripple her before the Iowa Caucus.
Posted by Mask at 11/06/2008 @ 1:50pm
Isn't everyone, especially the repubs, tired of repubs being stupid?
It has harmed our great nation-- enough.
Posted by hsuBfools at 11/06/2008 @ 1:55pm
"Where are the snows of yesteryear?"
Posted by Sorelish at 11/06/2008 @ 2:06pm
Love the post election interview with Sarah wherein she described the ticket's loss as John's loss. So much love and loyalty.
364/538 = 68%...........Sarah energized the "base" but not much else. RIP Sarah.
Posted by OneVote at 11/06/2008 @ 2:08pm
In the weeks leading up to Tuesday's election, I religiously set aside two hours each and every evening to catch MSNBC's back-to-back shows featuring Keith Olberermann followed by Rachel Maddow. As much as I loved Olbermann's exaggerated indignant posturing and Rachel's biting sarcasm, with the election now history, and because of other pressing matters, I pledged to sit them out indefinitely. Today's revealing Palin news has disabused me of that naivete. I can't wait til tonight's fireworks.
Posted by bobforer at 11/06/2008 @ 2:17pm
You libs won the election and yet you still feel threaten by Governor Palin. tsk, tsk.
We repubs will have no problems getting rid of you dems in 2012. You guys are too easy.
Posted by ACook at 11/06/2008 @ 2:20pm
Looks like Merkley has unseated Smith in Oregon - chalk another one up.
Posted by OneVote at 11/06/2008 @ 2:21pm
"You libs won the election and yet you still feel threaten by Governor Palin. tsk, tsk."
Hardly. Palin suggests a plethora of personality disorders so intriguing that it is beyond the creative imagination and genius of great American writers such as Tom Wolfe, Sinclair Lewis, and Theodore Drowsier.
Threatening? Hardly. I would describe it as close-to-orgasmic entertainment.
Posted by bobforer at 11/06/2008 @ 2:33pm
Posted by ACook at 11/06/2008 @ 2:20pm
I think you are 180 degrees off here ACOOK, much like your prediction the repubs would keep the WH. We are no even the LEAST bit afraid of the anchor named Sarah. If you actually read the comments you would realize that Sarah would be the 2nd pick for repub 2012, just behind Phred Thompson. She is a joke and all but the most ardent radicals know it.
"We repubs will have no problems getting rid of you dems in 2012. You guys are too easy. Posted by ACook at 11/06/2008 @ 2:20pm | "
The repubs will no doubt pick up seats in 2012, swings work that way. But, this prediction sounds an awful lot like "We will be greeted as liberators." and "Mission Accomplished." Hubris screwed this country, and your party.
Posted by crabwalk at 11/06/2008 @ 2:34pm
The very nature of the egocentric/ethnocentric level of development which houses true believer republicans is as follows:
They are "right", as in believe they are 100% right and a specifically labeled, identified boogeyman is 100% wrong.
They are are "self-RIGHTeous" = grandiose, happy, smug, have the swagger
And they have "RIGHTeous indignation" = just recall Ken Starr and the heyday of Hate Radio.
For eight years, their simpleton little model kept getting knocked about by reality. Oh little things, like the CIC lying even to them. Massive spending. Massive debt. Nation building.
And then there's just the fact that the CIC looked manifestly like a fool, when they need so back to worship / follow. Dittoheads set adrift, it ain't pretty.
So this little infighting episode is nothing but consistent with their level of development.
Actually, the Limbaugh-W-Cheney-herdettes, being so constitutionally immature and incapable of leadership, are much, much better suited to the Hate Radio / Ken Starr one-down tough fighter mode.
They'll soon be swept back into their collective boogeyman hallucination, soon be flushed with the combo of baseless self-RIGHTeousness and RIGHTeous indignation. MARK MY WORDS.
That's their job, their plight, their lot. It's all they got.
Posted by winyahn at 11/06/2008 @ 2:52pm
The repubs will no doubt pick up seats in 2012, swings work that way. But, this prediction sounds an awful lot like "We will be greeted as liberators." and "Mission Accomplished." Hubris screwed this country, and your party. Posted by crabwalk at 11/06/2008 @ 2:34pm | ignore this person | warn this person
don't bet on it. I think there will be a few more skeletons in Bush's closet, which will be exposed. the repub brand is tarnished for good.
Posted by emile duBois at 11/06/2008 @ 2:55pm
Posted by crabwalk at 11/06/2008 @ 2:34pm
I'm not predicting a Palin comeback. I'm saying we're gonna throw you dems out of the WH and Congress in 2012.
Posted by ACook at 11/06/2008 @ 3:13pm
Posted by ACook at 11/06/2008 @ 2:20pm
Yah, you betcha!
Sorry, ACook, but you're reading it wrong. NOBODY (except some smart Republicans) is "scared" of Sarah Palin winning the nomination in 2012.
In fact, the DNC is probably hustling its donors to contribute to the soon-to-come "Palin '12 Exploratory Committee".
She'd guarentee an easy Obama re-election.
Posted by ACook at 11/06/2008 @ 3:13pm
Well, that's encouraging....given your LAST prediction...heheh
Posted by Maskdelta at 11/06/2008 @ 3:29pm
I'm not predicting a Palin comeback. I'm saying we're gonna throw you dems out of the WH and Congress in 2012.
Posted by ACook at 11/06/2008 @ 3:13pm | ignore this person | warn this person
Bold statement...Obama enters the WH with extremely high expectations, Congress does not. Even if an Obama Presidency does not meet expectations and the low expectations for Congress are not met, it would take a massive failure of policy and a series of scandals (like the GOP corruption scandals of '04-'07) to completely flip the electorate in 4 years. More than likely, the Republicans will either turn into the Obstructionist group that filibusters nearly everything, and subsequently lose more seats in the mid-terms; or, they will have defectors that will work with the vast majority in the Congress validating the '08 election results. Either way, the Repubs do not make a sweep in 4 years. The brand is tarnished, it will take years of work to rebrand the GOP.
Posted by BizarroRio at 11/06/2008 @ 3:35pm
History has many footnotes. Hopefully, Sarah Palin will become one and Joe the Plumber will not.
Posted by michaeld at 11/06/2008 @ 3:37pm
I'm not predicting a Palin comeback. I'm saying we're gonna throw you dems out of the WH and Congress in 2012. Posted by ACook at 11/06/2008 @ 3:13pm | ignore this person | warn this person Bold statement..
a huge load of crap is more accurate.
Posted by emile duBois at 11/06/2008 @ 3:44pm
see what I mean? not connected to reality at all.
Posted by emile duBois at 11/06/2008 @ 3:45pm
The GOP would do well to keep SP at arms' length and further out - going rogue on Johnny Mac proves she's a danger to any reconstruction efforts they may undertake in the next four years. SP is Dubya without the upper-class pedigree.
Posted by javaman222 at 11/06/2008 @ 4:29pm
The Clinton Body Count --
How long before the Obama Body Count is larger?
Susan Coleman
Larry Guerrin
Kevin Ives & Don Henry
Keith Coney
Keith McKaskle
Gregory Collins
Jeff Rhodes
James Milam
Richard Winters
Posted by winyahn at 11/06/2008 @ 4:45pm
Obama & Bilderberg? When will the new darkie new world order be exposed?
Posted by winyahn at 11/06/2008 @ 4:47pm
I'm not predicting a Palin comeback. I'm saying we're gonna throw you dems out of the WH and Congress in 2012.
Posted by ADope at 11/06/2008 @ 3:13pm
This is the Republican base: smart like Sarah Palin, they don't know there will be Congressional elections in 2010.
I agree with you Mask, we dodged a bullet.
Posted by nathanhale at 11/06/2008 @ 4:57pm
"You guys are too easy."
Posted by *A Kook* at 11/06/2008 @ 2:20pm
Not as easy as Saint Sarah's slut daughter! If there is a man in American between the ages of 5 andf 75 who did not get a hummer from Bristol during the campaign, please shout out "Dead Moose, you betcha'!!!"
[roaring silence]
Anyway, perhaps A KOOK or one of the other circus-grade rightwing freaks can explain the McCain operatives scathing accounts of Saint Sarah and her drive to promote herself over the alleged "Country First" campaign.
Does this mean that...McCain, Wallace, Davis, and so on, have been secretly Islamified hence the animus toward Saint Sarah that began leaking even before the campaign was over? Why else have these hardcore conservatives joined the fight agiast Saint Sarah and the protestant militia for bimbodom, raising small town sluts, and using other people's credit cards that she commands???
Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 11/06/2008 @ 5:29pm
I agree with Mask. If the country is headed on the upswing (which I doubt)...we will sacrifice Palin and get rid of her. Buuut, if Obama is the new Carter, then Conservatives have plenty of other much more attractive options other than Palin to fight the good fight. Gov Sanford and Senator DeMint of SC are two of my own that come to mind.
BTW, to all the democrats, you will be happy to know that I did cast a ballot for a democrat this election...Bob Conley for Senate...the catch? He was actually more conservative on mmany issues than Lindsey Grahamnesty!
Posted by usc1 at 11/06/2008 @ 7:05pm
Hey Mask, You said "I seriously doubt The Real Power Players in the RNC are going to allow Palin to win the nomination in 2012....UNLESS..."
I want to know who in the hell in the Repub party thought Palin was a good idea and brought her to McCain as a running mate? What jerk made that decision?
Posted by COProgressive at 11/06/2008 @ 7:11pm
oh please repugnants, please run caribou barbie in 2012...
i think she, like bush, is every bit as idiotic as she appears. why is it so hard to believe that idiots sometimes luck their way into positions of high power?
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/06/2008 @ 7:14pm
I'm not predicting a Palin comeback. I'm saying we're gonna throw you dems out of the WH and Congress in 2012.
Posted by ACook at 11/06/2008 @ 3:13pm | ignore this person | warn this person
well at least yer not predicting a palin comeback...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/06/2008 @ 7:18pm
Posted by ACook at 11/06/2008 @ 2:20pm "You libs won the election and yet you still feel threaten by Governor Palin. tsk, tsk."
We don't feel threatened by Palin, we see a threat to our country should she have become your president.
With the choice of Palin, I started to believe McCain really didn't want to win, rather he only wanted to run for President and selected Palin as one of his campaign's various means to insure his loss.
Posted by COProgressive at 11/06/2008 @ 7:20pm
Any credit Obama doesn't get for winning (which is a tiny amount) should go to dubya. Dubya played a big role in this election.
By the way the French get 30 days paid vacation per year and unlimited sick leave.
I know that has no place here but .... just saying.
Now that we have a cosmopolitan president and all.
Posted by bleedingheart at 11/06/2008 @ 7:23pm
Posted by bleedingheart
it's good to be reminded.
we have invested more in Iraq than we have in our own country.
Posted by emile duBois at 11/06/2008 @ 7:30pm
Posted by usc1 at 11/06/2008 @ 7:05pm
How do we have an "upswing"...
and Obama becomes Carter??!?!???
Posted by Mask at 11/06/2008 @ 8:21pm
Posted by COProgressive at 11/06/2008 @ 7:11pm
According to the Carl Cameron report (Again, this is FOX...not MSNBC or "The Nation", my right-wing friends)...
what we thought was true....McCain didn't fully vett Palin until after she was picked.
So nobody in the RNC got worried and with her popularity with the base and at the Convention...they thought, "Well, maybe she's okay"....
then she talked.
Posted by Mask at 11/06/2008 @ 8:23pm
Well, that's encouraging....given your LAST prediction...heheh
Posted by Maskdelta at 11/06/2008 @ 3:29pm
What can I say? I stand by my convictions win or lose.
Posted by ACook at 11/06/2008 @ 8:23pm
The brand is tarnished, it will take years of work to rebrand the GOP.
Posted by BizarroRio at 11/06/2008 @ 3:35pm
It'll only take four years...
Posted by ACook at 11/06/2008 @ 8:24pm
well at least yer not predicting a palin comeback...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/06/2008 @ 7:18pm
You have no idea how much fun we're gonna have bouncing Obama and Co. right out of Washington.
Posted by ACook at 11/06/2008 @ 8:28pm
Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 11/06/2008 @ 5:29pm
You have some major anger issues, not to mention a severe personality disorder. Your maladaptive behavior is counter productive.
You should consider talking to a therapist in your home state who can help you overcome your debilitating circumstances.
Posted by ACook at 11/06/2008 @ 8:39pm
Posted by Mask at 11/06/2008 @ 8:21pm
Read it again. I was agreeing with your prediction...mostly.
Posted by usc1 at 11/06/2008 @ 9:10pm
Being excited by someone who said:"Let's not waist time dabating cause, let's instead look for solutions" tells a lot about the level of intelligence of the repubs base.
Posted by demesvarc at 11/06/2008 @ 9:22pm
I think Palin, the disasta from Alaska, will have trouble getting re-elected to the job she holds now, never mind any national political aspirations.
Posted by emile duBois at 11/06/2008 @ 9:27pm
"It'll only take four years..."
Posted by ACook at 11/06/2008 @ 8:24pm
You may have a point.
What was it PT Barnum said?
Most people have the attention span of moths.
Posted by Malcontent at 11/06/2008 @ 9:27pm
Posted by usc1 at 11/06/2008 @ 7:05pm
How do we have an "upswing"...
and Obama becomes Carter??!?!???
Posted by Mask at 11/06/2008 @ 8:21pm
Maybe Carter was just ahead of his time?
Posted by Malcontent at 11/06/2008 @ 9:30pm
Posted by usc1 at 11/06/2008 @ 9:10pm
I see. Well, here's the problem...things will have to get VERY bad...late in his 1st term...
for Obama to "become Carter".
Happens early on (pre-2010), he's still got Bush to blame (just as the Right said we could blame 9/11 and most everything on Clinton until...well...almost now!)
Happens late (post-2011)....you're right...the GOP can come back...
IF they don't nominate a looney/moron...or Palin....or is that redundent?
Posted by Mask at 11/06/2008 @ 10:03pm
The problem for repubs is that occasionally reality brings them face to face with the caricatures they invent. Sarah Palin is the latest case in point. Smart, sassy, hockey mom was the caricature. Dumb, greedy, whacko was the reality.
Rather like George Bush sitting in that classroom in Florida during the attacks on 9/11 stunned like a deer caught in the headlights ... reality. George Bush jumping onto the deck of the aircraft carrier wearing his flight jacket and declaring mission accomplished ... caricature.
Repubs will always prefer caricatures to reality ... it's just their nature.
Posted by Blouise at 11/06/2008 @ 10:20pm
You have no idea how much fun we're gonna have bouncing Obama and Co. right out of Washington.
Posted by ACook at 11/06/2008 @ 8:28pm | ignore this person | warn this person
just not gonna happen. say it if it makes you feel better, or if you wanta tee off hardcore obamamaniacs, but don't count on it.
he may not "solve all the problems" but nobody can.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 11/07/2008 @ 12:08am
I think Palin, the disasta from Alaska, will have trouble getting re-elected to the job she holds now, never mind any national political aspirations.
Posted by emile duBois at 11/06/2008 @ 9:27pm
i tend to agree.
then again, ted stevens was re-elected.
Posted by frosty zoom at 11/07/2008 @ 12:23am
Maybe Carter was just ahead of his time?
Posted by Malcontent at 11/06/2008 @ 9:30pm
in some ways, yes.
Posted by frosty zoom at 11/07/2008 @ 12:25am
ass cook is fuckin dumbass, sore loser dumbass. a majority of the country finally woke up and moved on. he's still caught with his pants down drunk on the red koolaid
Posted by leftnut at 11/07/2008 @ 12:31am
Repubs will always prefer caricatures to reality ... it's just their nature.
Posted by Blouise
Perfectly said.
Also, in re: Palin's extraordinary ignorance. I don't know if it is true about Palin calling Africa a country, but why are McCain's people bringing it up now? She lost, it's over.
I can see why they would bring up her greedy shopping sprees on Big Mac's dime. Same goes for her stating ambitions other than the present election and some prima donna behavior. She brought that criticism on her self.
I don't agree with anything Sara Palin stands for, and she said some terrible things during the campaign. But, those stories about how she didn't know Africa was a continent etc... only serve to embarrass her and it actually makes McCain look bad for picking her. She is still a person and it just seems mean.
Posted by koroviev at 11/07/2008 @ 02:34am
then again, ted stevens was re-elected. Posted by frosty zoom at 11/07/2008 @ 12:23am | ignore this person | warn this person
Stevens, the longest serving member of the senate, brought home the pork for 40 years.
Posted by emile duBois at 11/07/2008 @ 09:03am
Posted by A KOOk at 11/06/2008 @ 8:39pm
A KOOK,
Would have been back to you sooner but I have something between my keyboard and my lap --- something like Bristol Palin's head bobbing up and down as she "campaigns" for her small-town, small-time bimbo mother using the assests that she has to stimulate my throbbing knob.
The campaign may be over and the votes may be counted but --- you betcha' --- Bristol is not giving up yet as there is still a hardened male voter demographic that may in their hearts (or in their loins) be "undecided". If she campaigns hard enough (excuse me for a second while I unload a real doozy....aaaa Aaaaaaaa!!!!) Okay, as I was saying before, if Bristol campaigns hard enough with this innovative post-Lewinskian technique, she will be positioned well for the 2036 federal election year (wink wink)...
Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 11/07/2008 @ 10:01am
Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 11/07/2008 @ 10:01am | ignore this person | warn this person
would you stop your slimy attacks on Palin's kids, you creep
Posted by emile duBois at 11/07/2008 @ 11:08am
Posted by emile duBois at 11/07/2008
Sorry to disappoint you, EMILE, but Palin's kids are in play as fair game if Elizabeth Edwards can be verbally assaulted by Repugs for her health problems (among countless other slurs). The situation demands that Saint Sarah be put in her place and that fundementalist cro-mags for whom she is a totem be put on notice that their noses be rubbed in their disgusting sanctimony. I am doing my part in this campaign for social betterment and moral cleansing.
Similarly, if the fundies are willing to stay out of gay people's lives and bedrooms as a matter of principle, we can grant some forebearance to their pitiful offspring.
So, no apology here and feel free to put me on ignore. That's what it is there for, it won't bother me a wit.
Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 11/07/2008 @ 11:35am
you may stay in the gutter, Phil. you disgust me.
Posted by emile duBois at 11/07/2008 @ 11:37am
If Palin really thinks she is going to be in the game in 2012, she almost has to run in the special election bound to happen once Stevens steps down or is forced out.
People won't forget her, but she won't get ANY press in a few months. 4 more years as governor won't do a thing to help the criticism that she was a know-nothing about national issues and foreign policy. She has no other choice, it seems to me.
She probably would win up there. Begich couldn't seem to beat a convicted felon.
Posted by Hman23 at 11/07/2008 @ 11:39am
Begich couldn't seem to beat a convicted felon. Posted by Hman23 at 11/07/2008 @ 11:39am | ignore this person | warn this person
a convicted felon who has been bringing home the pork for 40 years. perhaps they held their nose and voted with their pocket book.
there also appears to be something fishy about those Alaska results. stay tuned.
Posted by emile duBois at 11/07/2008 @ 11:46am
"Similarly, if the fundies are willing to stay out of gay people's lives and bedrooms as a matter of principle, we can grant some forebearance to their pitiful offspring."
Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 11/07/2008 @ 11:35am
I too, tend to find your posts beyond juvenile. But I do appreciate that particular sentiment.
Posted by Malcontent at 11/07/2008 @ 11:56am
"I too, tend to find your posts beyond juvenile. But I do appreciate that particular sentiment."
Posted by Malcontent at 11/07/2008 @ 11:56am
ERIC/MALCONTENT,
I have generally thought that your posts are far better than most but have to insist that, if you don't find readable value in mine, then you should just skip over them.
As this is a blog (and not the Sistine Chapel, the editorial pages, a seminar room, a UN debate, or a pulpit), I opt for some forms of expression with heat behind it in these button down times of the people talking back.
And, yeah, when one finds the ghoulish and dismal likes of LVLIBERTY going apeshit over profanity and other naughty language --- and then endorsing dragging people off to blackhole dungeons for torture in the next breath --- I am not moved toward rational arguments with someone tone deaf and color blind toward anything outside the spectrum of his or her deeply-seated, anti-humanistic indoctrination. That strikes me as rational to encounter such people only within an atmosphere of undisguised contempt so that they can put in their pipes and smoke it.
Final verdict here is that, if you are not amused by my musings, you can simply bleep over them (just as I do to the vast majority of the posted comments), no harm done.
Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 11/07/2008 @ 12:23pm
"deeply-seated, anti-humanistic"
that's you, Phil
Posted by emile duBois at 11/07/2008 @ 12:30pm
Posted by emile duBois at 11/07/2008 @ 12:30pm
* Puritan
* Humorless
* Pedantic
* Duuuuullsville
That's you, EMILE!
And as you have characterized my posts as the work of a bard of the gutter --- AND continue to consume them avidly --- one can only assume that the aphorism that so often applies to Puritans in general applies to you in particular: Fascination is the sentry at the door of sanction.
Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 11/07/2008 @ 12:39pm
Above, that should be the other way around: Sanction is the sentry at the door of fascination.
Finally, EMILE, I suppose we share antipathy toward Palin, her party, and what they bode for the nation. Thus, we can make a deal: I'll practice my antipathy toward people who have and would damage America in my preferred ways while doing my part to restore and elaborate its best traditions. And you can do so in yours.
If EMILE cannot agree to that type of deal, I have to suspect that he is inching toward the "black helicopters hover over my home day and night since November 4 and ACORN is infiltrating my celler with copies of the koran" crowd.
Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 11/07/2008 @ 12:46pm
Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 11/07/2008 @ 12:46pm | ignore this person | warn this person
twaddle.
Posted by emile duBois at 11/07/2008 @ 12:50pm
Posted by emile duBois at 11/07/2008 @ 12:50pm
Okay, EMILE, I think I see where you're coming from. Let me guess. You spent the 1990s performing Vincent Foster assassination re-enactments in your backyard (the neighbors even stopped so much as peering over after awhile) to determine the precise angle from which Bill, Hillary and Chelsea smoked him.
It's all becoming clear.
Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 11/07/2008 @ 12:56pm
Posted by Hman23 at 11/07/2008 @ 11:39am
It depends on what Stevens does...
If Reid and the Senate kick him out, it automatically goes to special election. If Palin jumps on that, there might be an Alaskan or two that think "She's making a move for the White House, not going to represent us!" and Begich stands a chance.
If Stevens resigns BEFORE Reid moves to oust him....Palin gets to pick Stevens' successor...NOW
if (A) she picks herself, it will seem again BLATENT and piss off her own constituency. Plus it gives her NO time to "prep" herself for going to Washington and trying to appear smarter than a cucumber (which so far she hasn't).
if (B) she picks a stooge, a patsy, to fill Stevens' slot, but then tries to run against him or her in the GOP primary and again run for Stevens' seat....that TOO could seem blatent. And the patsy might actually beat her in the primary.
She has few good choices. And has little time, before even the die-hard Paliniacs forget her and move onto....Gingrich...Bobby Jindal...or back to Mitt Romney.
Posted by Mask at 11/07/2008 @ 1:01pm
Recently, researchers in neuroscience have identified a heretofore unrecognized region in the extreme far right hemisphere of the human brain....
When stimulated, this region is believed to be responsible for initiating and controlling an emotional response the researchers have termed "groupthink". The most effective "groupthink" stimuli discovered thus far are images of individuals whom the research subject perceives as being largely in agreement with their personal belief system, and as belonging to a similar racial and economic demographic.
And although the flawed, complex reality of the actual human represented by the image may not fully comply with subject's perception of it, they will cling stubbornly to the beliefs and emotions aroused by the image.
In fact, so deeply felt are the reactions brought on by exposure to this image that the respondents will desperately seek out and identify with other individuals sharing a similar experience of the image. These collective sufferers have been known to alienate themselves from loved ones and friends, and to violently ostracize anyone they see as threatening their shared delusions surrounding the image.
It is this herd dynamic which led researchers to label the phenomenon "groupthink", and they strongly caution against any underestimation of it's powerful influence on the human mind.
Posted by lumenpro at 11/07/2008 @ 2:51pm
It's all becoming clear. Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 11/07/2008 @ 12:56pm | ignore this person | warn this person
don't waste my time with this crap. you are new here. I have been here for some time. during that time I have been quite clear where I stand and where I'm coming from. get a grip.
Posted by emile duBois at 11/07/2008 @ 3:26pm
Posted by emile duBois at 11/07/2008
EMILE & "THE NATION" NATION,
In fact, I have posted here for several years although the nick has changed on occasion: JOHN_SHAFT (2007), GLENN LEMON (2006), and GLENNC.LEMON (2005) are PHIL's recent relatives. These names will be familiar to real old timers like MASKDELTA (formerly MASK). In the future, like in 2009, I would like to try out being LT. MIKE STONE just like Karl Malden patrolling SF/CA on TV, when the impulse toward change arises.
On the narrow ground of our disagreement, I have told you to ignore me *or* let me do my thing my way without getting up my nose.
On the broader ground of strategy, I would like to point out that Barack's impressive and historic win aside (52%, 70m+ votes) we still live in perilous times in part because the cro-mag 20% dead-enders still dwell among us and Saint Sarah is their totem. If Barack's term in power is to turn out more favorably than the partly lost oppurtunities of the Democratic/democratic center-left eras of Clinton (and even Bush-Brown in parallel), we should devote outselves to sucking the air out of their movement on thr ground in ways that Barack and Joe cannot. So they don't shut the government down (1995, 1996), try to blow Americans up (OKC, 1995) or attempt extra-judicial coups (1998-99). You may recall these events. So that Barack's admin moves forward and America moves forward in an exciting but risk-laden time.
Toward that objective, I don't give a shit if I use profanity or dickslap cro-mags, using superior versions of their own tactics. When they sue for domestic peace, we can negotiate. Until then, I am taking care of business with the sanctimonious Saint Sarah Cult in my way, as my duty to America, to clear the path toward a better future.
Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 11/07/2008 @ 5:07pm
Above, that should say "Blair-Brown" in ref to the Brit PMs, and not "Bush-Brown".
Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 11/07/2008 @ 5:18pm
On the narrow ground of our disagreement, I have told you to ignore me *or* let me do my thing my way without getting up my nose.
notachance. it's a public forum. you might show some maturity.
you got kids? would you let someone slime them the way you slimed Palin's kid?
Posted by emile duBois at 11/07/2008 @ 5:54pm
rereading your post I am happy to report that you still disgust me.
Posted by emile duBois at 11/07/2008 @ 5:57pm
In light of the post-election revelations from the McCain camp regarding Sarah Palin's many indiscretions, I couldn't help but make a preliminary diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder defined by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the diagnostic classification system used in the United States, as "a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of empathy."
The narcissist is described as turning inward for gratification rather than depending on others and as being excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy, power and prestige. Narcissistic personality disorder is closely linked to self-centeredness.
DSM Criteria A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
has a grandiose sense of self-importance is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love believes that he or she is "special" and unique requires excessive admiration has a sense of entitlement is interpersonally exploitative lacks empathy is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
THAT WILL BE FIVE CENTS, PLEASE.
Posted by bobforer at 11/07/2008 @ 6:37pm
Final verdict here is that, if you are not amused by my musings, you can simply bleep over them (just as I do to the vast majority of the posted comments), no harm done.
Posted by PhilMcCrevice at 11/07/2008 @ 12:23pm
I said you were juvenile. I never said I wasn't amused.
But then, I like JR too. Even though he is all the things you said he is.
I was wondering if you were john shaft. I didn't catch the glenn c lemon being one and the same, though.
Posted by Malcontent at 11/07/2008 @ 6:44pm
thanks Mal, I think.
when I say something nasty, and I sometimes do, I appreciate being called on that, as I have been.
Posted by emile duBois at 11/07/2008 @ 7:39pm
Pretty sure that you're welcome!
Posted by Malcontent at 11/07/2008 @ 7:57pm