Not "The Senator," But "That One"

The proper, respectful and appropriate description for an foe in a debate between two senators is "the senator" or -- if there is a desire to get flowery -- "my distinguished colleague."

But Arizona Senator John McCain, who after a quarter century on Capitol Hill surely knows the political etiquette, could not bring himself to refer to Illinois Senator Barack Obama as he would any other colleague.

Discussing a 2005 Senate vote, McCain said, "There was an energy bill on the floor of the Senate loaded down with goodies, billions for the oil companies, and it was sponsored by Bush and Cheney. You know who voted for it? You might never know. That one," he said, motioning toward Obama. "You know who voted against it? Me."

That one?

That one?

If Obama had referred to McCain as "that one," he would have been attacked for showing disrespect or ridiculed for being so new to the Senate that he did not understand the basic behaviors of the chamber.

Either way, it would have been a devastating moment.

And it should be for McCain, as well.

Understand what the Republican nominee was doing.

He did not slip up.

The McCain campaign and its media acolytes have for weeks been spinning the notion that Obama is running as some sort of messianic character who sees himself in something akin to Biblical terms.

In internet advertisements, campaign spin and talk-show commentary, Obama is mocked as "the one."

A McCain Web commercial from earlier this year compared Obama with the Nazarene. That ad opened with the announcer declaring, "It shall be known that in 2008 the world will be blessed. They will call him 'The One.'"

The ad proceeds to ridicule Obama's high-minded rhetoric before closing with the narrator telling Americans: "Barack Obama may be 'The One.' But is he ready to lead?"

That commercial has long been recognized as one of the more amateurish cheapshots from a campaign characterized all too frequently by amateurish cheapshots.

Now, John McCain has brought the cheapest of the cheapshots to the debate stage.

It was, for a senior senator who has embarrassed himself too many times during this long campaign, a uniquely embarrassing moment.

Comments (253)

1. "It was, for a senior senator who has embarrassed himself too many times during this long campaign, a uniquely embarrassing moment."

   There will be more, and worse. McCain is desperate and his ambition knows no bounds.

   Posted by Balrog at 10/08/2008 @ 12:47am

2. I heard Palin, in the Biden debate, never referred to Obama as "senator."

   Posted by winyahn at 10/08/2008 @ 12:49am

3. "That one" was unpleasant and disrespectful and will probably be one of the McCain quotes from the night that sticks with people. But I don't see any relation with the business about Obama being "The One".

   On the contrary, it's the exact opposite... "The One" is the McCain campaign's sarcastic mock exaltation of Obama as a celebrity of Biblical proportions. "That one" is pure McCain... he did slip up, and for a moment he was unable to mask his contempt for Obama, such that he could barely muster a pronoun to indicate him, much less the dignified honorific that decorum called for.

   The "That one" moment is more akin to the Joe Biden closing statement in last week's SNL VP debate parody. "Joe Biden is better than THAT..." indicating Sarah Palin. Now reality is imitating art.

   Posted by ggrossman at 10/08/2008 @ 12:51am

4. just the death rattles of a dismal attempt at a bid for the presidency by an angry old man

   Posted by leftnut at 10/08/2008 @ 12:54am

5. I just watched a clip from a couple of months ago of McCain saying "I promise to run a respectful compaign. I promise to refer to both Clinton and Obama as 'Senator'."

   So much for McCain's promises.

   The man is not just losing this election. He is pissing away both his honor AND his political future.

   After he loses this election, he will have defecated so heavily on his public 'hero' persona and reputation...

   ...it will be the end of his political career.

   Posted by Lillian at 10/08/2008 @ 12:59am

6. Those two words - said so quickly and so clearly - were the one true moment of the whole debate for McCain. He was wound up so tight with his anger that the words flew from his mouth before he could stop them. His utter hatred and disdain for Obama, and the fact he is losing, clearly makes his blood boil. This was the most honest thing he said all night and it showed his true colors. He is a small man, with no dignity left.

   Posted by Liontamer at 10/08/2008 @ 01:11am

7. I think "that one" is, at best, curmudgeonly and dismissive, at worst, the 2008 equivalent of Ross Perot's "you people". We'll see.

   Posted by Be Good at 10/08/2008 @ 01:11am

8. What's astonishing is that apparently the Republicans are calling it the one memorable line of the debate, and planning to make it part of their "theme"--perhaps to cover up the ugly possibility that viewers will think McCain couldn't remember Senator Obama's name. If a campaign is still developing its theme this close to an election, it is in deep trouble.

   Posted by MemeLynne at 10/08/2008 @ 01:37am

9. John McCain reminds me of a grumpy old grandpa who would take you behind the barn and hit you with a belt if you acted up or something. Note how he stomped off after the debate in a huff. I certainly would not want this man to "have his finger on the button".

   Posted by bumbo at 10/08/2008 @ 01:51am

10. Posted by Lillian at 10/08/2008 @ 12:59am

    I think he's pissing away the MYTH of his honor, Lil. An examination of his life shows someone to whom honor is an utterly foreign concept. The McCain of this campaign is indeed the real genuine McCain, and he simply demonstrates patterns that date back a full 70 years, when, as a 2-year old, he would throw severe tantrums (holding his breath until he passed out). He has spent a lifetime thumbing his nose at the very idea that rules apply to him. His serial adultery is well-known, as is his abusiveness to his current wife (e.g., the 1992 incident) and to many of those around him. He seems to revel in the fact that a lot of people who know him see him as an asshole, what with the Miss Congeniality comments. He is a sick, twisted, pathetic, bitter, utterly dishonorable old man, and the only difference between now and pretty much most of his life is the "old" part of that equation.

    Posted by jmusolino at 10/08/2008 @ 01:53am

11. Civility is long gone from politics.

    I've listened to Olbermann, Maher, Letterman, Limbaugh, O'Riley, Stewart, Colbert, and the rest insult politicians for years now.

    If you can't take it you're in the wrong business.

    Obama is "that one".

    "That one" that's the next president.

    And if he screws up he'd better have thick skin.

    (I'm sure an effigy of Obama will be burned somewhere in the middle east soon if one hasn't already. And just image what nicknames Putin has for the O.)

    Posted by bleedingheart at 10/08/2008 @ 03:33am

12. Kaput.

    Obama/Biden have at least 340 electoral college votes locked up.

    McCain has to do something, as he can't very well concede before election day. So with nothing left to lose, he reveals himself.

    A mean-spirited, intemperate, irresponsible bigot.

    Now if he can only pull down more of the GOP with him ... enough so the GOP fails to reach 40 senatorial seats. May be too much to hope for, as there may still be enough bigots & morons around to vote against their own interests, particulalry in the former slave states.

    Posted by sloper at 10/08/2008 @ 04:34am

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    Posted by plumber at 10/08/2008 @ 06:25am

14. it was a minor, bizarre use of diction. maybe mccain has been hanging with palin too much - she over uses "that" a lot.

    if he had followed that by referring to himself as "this one" it might have sounded better...

    Posted by dexter666 at 10/08/2008 @ 06:40am

15. gallup poll - obama 51 mccain 42...

    Posted by dexter666 at 10/08/2008 @ 06:43am

16. "John McCain reminds me of a grumpy old grandpa who would take you behind the barn and hit you with a belt if you acted up or something. Note how he stomped off after the debate in a huff. I certainly would not want this man to "have his finger on the button".

    Posted by bumbo at 10/08/2008 @ 01:51am"

    Funny, I feel the same. I'm in my 40's and I feel he was giving me the business and sending me to my room! He's soooooo stale.

    Posted by throwin at 10/08/2008 @ 07:14am

17. Why does McCain keep saying "my friends". It's nice and all but IT'S SO FAKE!

    Posted by throwin at 10/08/2008 @ 07:16am

18. With that one phrase, McCain lost all claim to any respect. I think we are seeing an angry, frustrated, petty old man playing out a twisted interpretation of "Do not go gentle into that good night..."

    Posted by oneworld at 10/08/2008 @ 07:30am

19. John McCain is an angry vet. I commend him for his service for our country. But a man that has been a POW and a lifelong military guy does not belong in the highest office in the world. He seems to have a grudge. That spells disaster.

    Posted by throwin at 10/08/2008 @ 07:36am

20. jealous much???

    Posted by noushin at 10/08/2008 @ 07:57am

21. Posted by captainte at 10/08/2008 @ 07:20am

    Another demented winger ricocheting around the room fueled by old talking points and fascist koolaid. Disturbing..

    Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 08:02am

22. Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 08:02am

    Hey dude, tell us again how American taxpayers owe you free health care.

    Posted by pontificus at 10/08/2008 @ 08:05am

23. Zogby has Obama up by 2 today. Guess McCain did better than anyone thought. Who knows, maybe America isn't ready to elect the best friend domestic terrorists and America-haters ever had, after all?

    Posted by pontificus at 10/08/2008 @ 08:07am

24. Posted by pontificus at 10/08/2008 @ 08:07am

    Oops there's another one, and so early in the morning.

    Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 08:10am

25. Posted by captainte at 10/08/2008 @ 07:20am | ignore this person | warn this person

    let me guess...you were the guy who yelled out "kill him" or "treason" at one of the palin rallies?

    i think nothing more typifies the true nature of the hard core right than the angry, red faced, spittle flying, violence and oppresion fantasizing shown by the fascist faithful at these hate goading parties.

    the rabid, murderous dogs of the right are bearing their teeth as much now that they are cornered as when they were on top.

    and grampa and mrs. mooseburger are goading them on...

    the party of values, eh? some values are kinda skeery!

    Posted by dexter666 at 10/08/2008 @ 08:13am

26. RCP National Average Obama +5.

    Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 08:14am

27. Hey dude, tell us again how American taxpayers owe you free health care.

    Posted by pontificus at 10/08/2008 @ 08:05am

    American taxpayers all owe themselves free healthcare, including you unfortunately.

    Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 08:17am

28. Posted by pontificus at 10/08/2008 @ 08:07am | ignore this person | warn this person

    thats the best for mccain so far. gallup has obama up by 8 or 9.

    Posted by dexter666 at 10/08/2008 @ 08:17am

29. Everybody seems pretty upset about an innocuous reference to "the one" as that one.

    Posted by abell12ct at 10/08/2008 @ 08:18am

30. It was a disgracful moment in the debate and in this campaign. McCain is living up to his "bad temperment" label with vigor. Senator Obama deserves respect. It just shows the American voters that McCain and Palin are angry,hate mongering representatives of a failed party and a failed Bush administration. Do we really need another four years of hate, name calling, and us against them mentality? I think not. The next four or eight years is a time to heal the wounds, give folks a reason to believe and change our perception throughout the world. McCain and Palin are what's wrong with America's image at home and abroad. Barack Obama and Joe Biden are what's needed to restore our dignity.

    Posted by books at 10/08/2008 @ 08:23am

31. Everybody seems pretty upset about an innocuous reference to "the one" as that one. Posted by abell12ct at 10/08/2008 @ 08:18am

    Doesn't bother me much. My Dad, a staunch Republican used to point his finger at me with his jaw clenched and say "That One.." I didn't hold it against him though as he had PTSD just like McCain.

    Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 08:27am

32. Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 08:17am

    "American taxpayers all owe themselves free healthcare, including you unfortunately."

    Wow, we all owe each other free healthcare? That's your health care plan? Brilliant.

    Posted by pontificus at 10/08/2008 @ 08:27am

33. Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 08:27am

    "Doesn't bother me much. My Dad, a staunch Republican used to point his finger at me with his jaw clenched and say "That One.." "

    I'll bet he's still saying it too, and I can see why. Based on what you've posted here, you appear to believe that the world owes you something. Good luck with that.

    Posted by pontificus at 10/08/2008 @ 08:33am

34. Wow, we all owe each other free healthcare? Posted by pontificus at 10/08/2008 @ 08:27am

    Yeah it's called "Society". And I wasn't proposing a plan, there already is one. It's called "Medicare." It would work just fine when expanded to include everyone.

    Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 08:35am

35. Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 08:35am

    "It's called "Medicare." It would work just fine when expanded to include everyone."

    You mean except that Medicare and Social Security are trillions in debt and are expected to bankrupt the government in 10 years?

    Posted by pontificus at 10/08/2008 @ 08:37am

36. Well then, why don't I pay for mine and you pay for yours and leave the feds out of it?

    Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 10/08/2008 @ 08:29am

    Uh, Troll the whole idea of "Free Healthcare" is that it is "Free." So I don't have to pay for mine and you don't have to pay for yours. Get it? You know like the rest of the civilised world does.

    Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 08:39am

37. Am I the only person that noticed John McCain never called any black person, who asked him a question, by name? I think he seems to not care much for black people. Possibly thats where his apparent disdain for Obama comes from.

    Posted by chuckgiles at 10/08/2008 @ 08:45am

38. Posted by pontificus at 10/08/2008 @ 08:37am

    Do you pick these facts out of your ass? Social Security is solid for about 30 more years. And all that is needed to make it solid forever is to raise the cap on paying into the system. As it is now people who earn over $102,000 a year pay no tax.

    As for Medicare, if it was expanded to include everyone we wouldn't have a "For Profit" healthcare system. And operating costs would drop significantly. Plus it would be a single payer system and everyone would be paying in Med tax. So it would help finance the system. The Government would actually have to chip in much less than they do now.

    Do a little research instead of running off at the mouth.

    Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 08:51am

39. "That one" is the equivalent of "your people." As many like Pontificus show, this is what 28 years of conservative thought have come to: name calling and innuendo. Bereft of ideas, this is all that is left, a party of mental cripples.

    Posted by onthehelm at 10/08/2008 @ 08:54am

40. The reason we cannot,'just pay each our own heathcare' has one underlying false premise. It is that 'we', taxpayers, are not paying any of the healthcare costs now.

    Fully 50% of all healthcare costs are picked up by taxpayers. We cover the cost of the military, the govt workers, the poor, the retired.

    The government coverage costs less than the private insurance that I own and in many ways is better coverage.

    Why shouldn't we get rid of private insurance in favor of universal coverage? We would save our auto companies. There are many other companies that would become much more competitive. Small business would be helped; including new start ups.

    Doesn't this sound like a 'solid' republican arguement for universal healthcare?

    Most importantly, it is the moral thing to do. Many hard working people are getting the squeeze as corporate America races for the bottom. This is an opportunity for WE THE PEOPLE to draw a line.

    Posted by joelawake at 10/08/2008 @ 09:01am

41. As a conservative, I have to admit that when McCain said "that one" I found it disrespectful--one of those situations where you are only half paying attention and after he said it, think "did he just say that?"

    Of course, McCain had already lost me when he said he wanted to buy up all those bad mortgages.

    Who else is running in this election?

    Posted by dailycomfort at 10/08/2008 @ 09:09am

42. We would save our auto companies. There are many other companies that would become much more competitive. Small business would be helped; including new start ups. Posted by joelawake at 10/08/2008 @ 09:01am

    That is a very good point. I had not got around to that one yet. It's maybe the most important benefit of Universal Healthcare. Companies would no longer be stuck with trying to provide healthcare benefits to their employees which would save them a ton of money.

    More businesses would be attracted to basing their companies here and entrepreneurs would be induced to start more small business ventures. Good Point.

    Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 09:11am

43. Uh, Troll the whole idea of "Free Healthcare" is that it is "Free." So I don't have to pay for mine and you don't have to pay for yours. Get it?

    Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 08:39am

    Are you really this naive or is it just ignorance?

    Posted by dailycomfort at 10/08/2008 @ 09:12am

44. Who else is running in this election?

    Posted by dailycomfort at 10/08/2008 @ 09:09am

    Since you are a conservative maybe check out Bob Barr 2008-Liberty for America.

    Me im voting Green Party or PSL. Still deciding.

    Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 09:17am

45. Are you really this naive or is it just ignorance?

    Posted by dailycomfort at 10/08/2008 @ 09:12am

    Matbe you could expand on that a bit. My crystal ball is a bit fuzzy today...

    Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 09:20am

46. Posted by dailycomfort at 10/08/2008 @ 09:09am

    Bob Barr?

    Disgruntled Repub and still want to vote? Barr has true-blue conservative bona fides.

    BTW, on-topic, I think McCain is just hoping he can stop the bleeding (in the polls) and then try to "go back to being nice" in the final week (leaving Palin the Pitbull to do the dirty work).

    Posted by Maskdelta at 10/08/2008 @ 09:32am

47. Sen. McCain has no respect for Sen. Obama and it galls him to be on the same stage let alone running for the same office. He is not an inclusive person. For some time, I have recognized that he, is among other things, a racist, sexist.....

    Posted by concerned2 at 10/08/2008 @ 09:39am

48. Why hasn't anyone questioned his advocacy of a president who has shown "a steady hand on the tiller"? His reckless hotdogging crashed three jets and caused a blackout in Spain by flying through power lines. Does anyone think he would have gotten another aircraft to fly after those four incidents if his daddy, an admiral, hadn't pulled strings for him? Hmm... daddy pulls some strings and you get a jet to fly, and don't have to play by the same rules as everyone else... Oh yes, he represents change.

    Posted by rp518dan at 10/08/2008 @ 09:39am

49. (leaving Palin the Pitbull to do the dirty work).

    Posted by Maskdelta at 10/08/2008 @ 09:32am

    McInsane never even mentioned Palin last night. Although he did mention lie-bermann about 3 or 4 times. Think maybe ol Uncle Fester is thinking of droppin Caribou Barbie and picking up "The Joker?"

    Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 09:40am

50. Uh, Troll the whole idea of "Free Healthcare" is that it is "Free." So I don't have to pay for mine and you don't have to pay for yours. Get it?

    Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 08:39am

    Are you really this naive or is it just ignorance?

    Posted by dailycomfort at 10/08/2008 @ 09:12am

    Matbe you could expand on that a bit. My crystal ball is a bit fuzzy today...

    Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 09:20am

    "Since I believe my survival and physical well being is guaranteed by the constitution, I refuse to pay any medical bills that come my way. Which is reflected in my credit score. The upside is I get the opportunity to discuss my medically deadbeat attitude with the many bill collectors who somehow get my phone number. I treat them as prank calls and respond in kind. It is an endless source of amusement."

    Posted by chaoszen at 09/23/2008 @ 5:07pm

    It is neither ignorance nor naivete, but pure idealism.

    Posted by Benchrest at 10/08/2008 @ 09:53am

51. You have seriously got to be kidding me? With all of the things going on in this country right now to be concerned with, and with all that was discussed - THIS is what we need to focus in on? Could it really be possible that no one here noticed Obama calling McCain "JOHN" throughout the entire first debate, while McCain consistently called him Senator Obama? Really didn't notice that??? Didn't notice his constant interruptions when McCain was speaking in the first debate? In my opinion, he came across as a rude teenager - but that's my opinion. What amazes me is I didn't hear this mentioned once in the coverage following the first debate. But now - OH MY GOD - he said "that one". Glad to know there's another racist term that I've somehow been unaware of until now.

    The fact remains, those for Obama will remain for him, those for McCain will remain in favor of him. But it never ceases to amaze me what the media will hook on to following these types of events.

    Funny thing - I had to dig to verify the story someone told me about Florida Democrat Alcee Hastings saying since Palin was a hunter, she didn't care what happened to Jews and Blacks. And it wasn't easy finding the story about Charlie Rangle, when asked why Democrats were afraid to challenge Palin more directly, said "you've got to be kind to the disabled". Google it, real stories. I'm sure most of you will find these comments humorous because a Democrat made them, but at least they didn't call someone "that one" right?

    Maybe we can now create a "that one" crisis, to go along with all the others - global warming, health care, financial, home mortgage, education, unemployment, Iran, Iraq, etc. At least if Obama is elected, we'll get a break on the media crisis of the week routine for a while.

    Posted by sickovitall at 10/08/2008 @ 09:54am

52. I disagree that this was a deliberate effort by McCain to make a derisive reference to Obama as "The One." I think he was mad, frustrated, and at a loss for words. It was apparent in his lead up to the statement.

    Democrats: please stop connecting every negative ad or campaign tactic to race. There are plenty of racist, insane, fundamentalist whack-jobs who call Obama H Obama (clever) and Osama-oops-I-mean-Obama (cleverer), but there are also people who legitimately have reservations about Obama's experience and record. But aside from Palin's "Obama is a terrorist who is not like us" statements, and McCain's "who is this man," which are beyond the pale, hit-bottom-and-start-digging race-baiting tactics (which really deserves more attention from the media - seriously are McCain and Palin trying to emulate pre-epiphany George Wallace?), these crazies should be ignored and Americans should keep focusing on the issues.

    Posted by jaged1 at 10/08/2008 @ 09:56am

53. Yes, referring to Senator Obama as "that one" was offensive, but what really bothered me was McCain's condescending tone in addressing the audience. When Oliver Clark, a young African American, asked about the bailout, McCain said, "I'll bet you, you may never even have heard of [Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac] before this crisis."

    Why would he "bet" that a person of color would not know about institutions that have been so important in promoting home ownership among minorities?! I was just hoping Obama would start his answer with something along the lines of "Mr. Clark, I would never assume that you hadn't heard of Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac."

    Posted by bgcampbell at 10/08/2008 @ 09:56am

54. "That one" is the equivalent of "your people." As many like Pontificus show, this is what 28 years of conservative thought have come to: name calling and innuendo. Bereft of ideas, this is all that is left, a party of mental cripples. Posted by onthehelm

    Well that is simply laughable.

    Posted by abell12ct at 10/08/2008 @ 09:57am

55. As it is now people who earn over $102,000 a year pay no tax.

    Posted by chaoszen

    Well that's not true. The way it is setup EVERYONE pays taxes on the amount they earn UP TO 102,000 a year. They don't pay any MORE taxes on the amount over 102,000.

    Posted by abell12ct at 10/08/2008 @ 09:59am

56. There was a time, when Mccain was younger, I would have given him serious consideration. At his core I believe he is a good man who wants only the best for his country and its people. If my memory serves correctly, he had his best chance at the presidency in 2000, until the evil Bush machine (Rove, Cheney, etc, etc) bush-whacked him in South Carolina. But it's obvious now his age and possibly his health has caught up with him. He does appear to have fallen to the level of regretful, impatient, grumpy old man. McCain supporters (and his family) should urge him to pull back, to let the chips fall where they may - before he falls apart. It would be terrible if that were to happen publicly.

    The race is over. We have a new president for a new time. And this voter is looking forward - cautiously - to the future.

    Posted by HonestLee at 10/08/2008 @ 09:59am

57. Why would he "bet" that a person of color would not know about institutions that have been so important in promoting home ownership among minorities? Posted by bgcampbel

    Way to go! Let's inject race into it!

    Posted by abell12ct at 10/08/2008 @ 10:00am

58. By the way - what in my humble opinion was the biggest headline of the night? Obama saying he believed health care was a "right".

    That says it all. Guess I don't remember that being covered in the Bill of Rights.

    Let's have the guys who have created or at least been a major part of our current financial mess be in charge of our health care. Outstanding idea.

    Still waiting to see that little tidbit reported somewhere.

    Posted by sickovitall at 10/08/2008 @ 10:00am

59. The race is over. We have a new president for a new time. And this voter is looking forward - cautiously - to the future. Posted by HonestLee

    Let the new Socialist order begin!

    Posted by abell12ct at 10/08/2008 @ 10:03am

60. Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 09:40am

    No way...he's stuck with Glacier Gidget to the bitter end. Dump her and he faces both the "Eagleton Crises" and his base rebelling against him and losing by 25-30% to Obama.

    Posted by Maskdelta at 10/08/2008 @ 10:05am

61. Posted by abell12ct at 10/08/2008 @ 09:59am

    Yeah they pay tax up to $102,000 and none thereafter. So raise the cap and Social Security is solid.

    You will have to excuse me if i "assume" that most folks already know that..

    Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 10:05am

62. The hatred that McCain has for Obama is far greater than "That one". If the first debate is recalled, McCain didnt look at Obama even once throughout the session.

    This old fox is being trained by more foxier spin experts, throughout instead of giving a logical relevant answers/summary to the questions posed his replies were empty/hollow/placid such as "I know how to do it" or "How it is done" or "He doesnt know, I know". Never, this is how I will get it done, 1,2,3.... etc. What filth from a presidential candidate when the whole world is affected with global economy crises and is looking at us to do something about it, and here this old short-handed incompetent guy , was stammering all through is the answer for that? He got Sarah Cheney Palin on board to rectify washington? Her own houses both official and unofficial are in disorder, 7 of her aides are up against her for the troopgate scandal. And 312 lawmakers sessions she has missed, wherein they wore badges "where Sarah?" and she was out for fishing, hunting and what not, and here she is expected to run the country if Mccain dies anytime near? Make Sean Penn or Jesse Ventura the vice presidents but not her - hockey mom my foot. Only sex starved guys will vote for her as she oozes out sex only but not any substance that relates to our live.

    Posted by aleemsyed at 10/08/2008 @ 10:05am

63. Posted by HonestLee at 10/08/2008 @ 09:59am

    HonestLee? HonestLiberal? or just similar?

    Posted by Maskdelta at 10/08/2008 @ 10:06am

64. That's awesome! While reading an article about McCain calling someone "that one" and I'm sure being totally offended, you respond by calling Palin "Glacier Gidget".

    Good thing our friends on the left don't stoop to the slimy right wing tactics of name calling!

    By the way, also loved the fact that when asked to name one thing he DOESN'T know - Obama finally didn't have an answer to something. Instead, listed the 500 talking points he's repeated time and again over the past year.

    Posted by sickovitall at 10/08/2008 @ 10:09am

65. Obama sucks!! Both political parties should be ashamed for even putting him in the race, he has to denounce all his friends, rev wright who damns america, rezko corrupt business, his friend johnson who took 21 million from fannie mae, and yes ayers the terroist, but yet we still will put him in office with the sme name with the people we are fighting..hmm you may not like mccain but why would you put someone in office that has o idea what he is doing??? hell at least mccain served our country, Obama just a kid who's daddy didnt want him and has the nerve to call his grandma a "typical white person" guess he's a typical terroist.

    Posted by politicsdoneit at 10/08/2008 @ 10:09am

66. yeah, I caught this too...

    anyway, re: the bailout, I quote a passage from benjamin barber's book (not me) called consumed which was written before bailout:

    "socialism when it comes to costs (the now classic Chrysler Corporation bailout), but market capitalism when it comes to profits. Ironically, firms that are politically connected to the government by which they hope to be bailed out do better than those without such connections."

    with this logic in my mind I know people who just bought Ford and GM...

    I hope they both go bankrupt...they both just got $25,000,000,000 as part of new bailout package and are asking for me, presumably to build more energy efficient cars...THIS IS A LIE....they are sucking us dry...we need to boycott these liars...."that one" called bush is the real liar....

    when paulson elect his old goldman sachs colleage kneel cash carry out of business school only four years ago 35 y/o to manage and delve out as he sees fits to whomever he chooses, $700,000,000.000 this is reprehensible....

    for those already laid off, if you are picketing, please announce when/where for everybody's benefit...

    nobody at the top reads these blogs....

    they will react to protests...and caricatures being burned in effigy...if it is effective in other third-world states, why not here?? we are rapidly becoming one....or more of a fiefdom....where only political connections count for anything....this is wrong...

    Posted by jrs112 at 10/08/2008 @ 10:30am

67. That says it all. Guess I don't remember that being covered in the Bill of Rights.Posted by sickovitall at 10/08/2008 @ 10:00am

    It was covered in the Bill of Rights aswell as well as in The Declaration of Independence. If not specifically then by intention and spirit. In the Bill of Rights we have the 9th,10th,11th and 12th amendments. Which allow the people and the states to basically decide to do whatever is not expressly delagated to Congress. In other words if we want Universal Healthcare there is nothing stopping us from having it.

    In the Declaration of Independence which is not the same as the Constitution in a legal sense still carries the spirit of the founding fathers. We have certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    I don't know about you but I can't see how sick people have much of a chance to pursue Life, Liberty and Happiness if they are riddled with disease.

    Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 10:37am

68. So -- the Duke and the Dolphin are at it again. Where's Mr. Twain when he's needed?

    ** OK, don't get mad, get even.Let's air the Muthee tape anointing Palin Queen of Alaska until incredulous viewers realize the depths of Palin's commitment to xian dominionism.

    Palin is a witch hunter. I suppose that we should be grateful that she doesn't yet shoot alleged witches from air craft.

    Palin learned how to hunt witches from a "genuine" witch hunter. Her disgusting mentor, far-right theolog, the so-called "Bishop" Thomas Muthee at Wasilla's Center of Jesus-the-Sorcerer.

    And, this story is mostly true. So, where is the anger from anyone? Why isn't Palin run out on a rail, like any other common bawd --

    McCain & Palin, the Duke & Dolphin right out of Huckleberry Finn. Those damn' cheatin' frauds -- Mark Twain had'em tarred and feathered, and only then run out of town on a rail.

    Those were the days.

    bipolar2 ©2008

    Posted by bipolar2 at 10/08/2008 @ 10:41am

69. part of our current financial mess be in charge of our health care. Outstanding idea. Posted by sickovitall at 10/08/2008 @ 10:00am

    Uh, those were private corporations and fascist politicians that got us in the "financial mess."

    We are a representative republic last time I checked and the American people would be in charge of their healthcare. It's called "Voting." And we are getting ready to do that soon. And throw the bums out..

    And probably put some new Bums in.

    Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 10:50am

70. Looks like the lying Afghanis were more truthful than the honorable military... So cons, you made cheap excuses a few weeks ago about the murders in Afghanistan, what can you come up with to defend this? How many hearts and minds do you think this has attracted to The Cause? Maybe more to bin Ladens cause?

    [Wed Oct 8, 12:22 AM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An inquiry by the U.S. military has concluded that U.S. air strikes on an Afghan village in August killed more than 30 civilians, far more than U.S. commanders have acknowledged, The New York Times said on Tuesday.]

    Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 10:56am

71. Hey dude, tell us again how American taxpayers owe you free health care.

    Posted by pontificus at 10/08/2008 @ 08:05am | ignore this person | warn this person

    Hey dude, tell us again why the American taxpayers should be paying $10 billion a month for an unnecessary occupation of Iraq? Tell us again why American taxpayers should be paying for billions in tax breaks for oil companies that are making record profits? Tell us again why American middle-class taxpayers should fund tax breaks for wealthy people? Tell us again why American taxpayers should support corporations that don't pay any taxes and instead set up as offshore companies? Tell us again why you don't want to help out your fellow Americans?

    Posted by Citizen54 at 10/08/2008 @ 10:57am

72. Those held in GITMO are "the most vicious", ie ALL of those in GITMO are guilty of serious crimes against AMerica and they deserve to be stuck in a Cuban Gulag till their teeth rot out!

    Except...

    [By WILLIAM GLABERSON Published: October 7, 2008 WASHINGTON -- A federal judge on Tuesday ordered the Bush administration to release 17 detainees at Guantánamo Bay by the end of the week, the first such ruling in nearly seven years of legal disputes over the administration's detention policies.

    "I think the moment has arrived for the court to shine the light of constitutionality on the reasons for detention," Judge Urbina said.

    Saying the men had never fought the United States and were not a security threat, he tersely rejected Bush administration claims that he lacked the power to order the men set free in the United States and government requests that he stay his order to permit an immediate appeal.

    The government recently conceded that it would no longer try to prove that the Uighurs were enemy combatants, the classification it uses to detain people at Guantánamo, where 255 men are now held. ]

    Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 11:06am

73. Posted by sickovitall at 10/08/2008 @ 10:09am

    What's wrong with "Glacier Gidget"?

    It plays to EXACTLY the image that Palin wants to convey..."Alaskan down-home, folksy, CUTE 'regular folk' 'hockey mom' 'Joe Sixpack's wife'".

    Posted by Maskdelta at 10/08/2008 @ 11:12am

74. Hey dude, tell us again how American taxpayers owe you free health care. Posted by pontificus at 10/08/2008 @ 08:05am

    I guess if we were a Christian Country we would take take of ALL Americans. But evidently we are only a Christian Country in the bedroom.

    right now Pontis tax dollars (assuming he can keep a job) are being used to pay for healthcare for those he despises. His healthcare dollars are being used to pay for healthcare for those he fears. 50% of bankruptcy filings are due to medical expenses, so every time some one declares bankruptcy Ponti pays.

    The difference is it is done with 28%+ administrative overhead and profit taking, as well as paying for Scrushy's legal tab.

    The 25 Highest Paid HMO Executives 1996 Annual Compensation Exclusive of Unexercised Stock Options

    Stephen Wiggins, CEO, Oxford Health Plans, Inc.-$29,061,599 Wilson Taylor, Chairman and CEO, CIGNA Corporation-11,568,410 David Snow, Executive Vice President, Oxford Health plans,Inc.-10,403,451 Robert Smoler, Executive Vice President, Oxford Health Plans, Inc.-10,085,972 William Sullivan, President, Oxford Health Plans, Inc.-7,823,076 Joseph Sebastianelli, President, Aetna, Inc.-7,394,506 Michael Cardillo, Executive Vice President, Aetna, Inc.-7,069,969 Leonard Schaeffer, Chairman and CEO, WellPoint Health Networks, Inc.-7,010,698 George Jochum, President and CEO, Mid-Atlantic Medical Services, Inc.-6,526,065 Ronald Compton, Chairman and CEO, Aetna, Inc.-5,813,287 Wayne Smith, Former President, Humana, Inc.-5,166,575 James Stewart, Executive Vice President, CIGNA Corporation-4,832,799 Richard Huber, Vice Chairman, Aetna, Inc.-4,801,841 Roger Taylor, Executive Vice President, PacifiCare Health Systems, Inc.-4,103,864 Daniel Crowley, CEO and President, Foundation Health Corporation-3,849,02

    Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 11:17am

75. The moment mccain walked on stage, sat down and immediately started scribbling on his pad while starting down it was over. Brokaw had just started the welcome and introductions and already mccain was in a closed, defensive and uptight posture while Barack looked at and listened attentively to Brokaw.

    Posted by rmjlattanzi at 10/08/2008 @ 11:21am

76. it just went downhill from there.

    Posted by rmjlattanzi at 10/08/2008 @ 11:22am

77. ponti-the vast majority of domestic terrorists are on the right and I doubt that they support Obama.

    Posted by i'm nobody at 10/08/2008 @ 11:23am

78. you are clueless, gullible and probably racist. and a dying breed...

    Posted by rmjlattanzi at 10/08/2008 @ 11:26am

79. ponti-D0n't forget that it's your side that wants a VP who has close ties to the anti America AIP.

    Posted by i'm nobody at 10/08/2008 @ 11:27am

80. ponti-D0n't forget that it's your side that wants a VP who has close ties to the anti America AIP.

    Posted by i'm nobody at 10/08/2008 @ 11:28am

81. The concept of a negro with a "Moses" complex, i.e., a black man who other black people call "The One," has a long history in racist culture in the South. Lest anyone think this comment is coming from some wild eyed liberal, it was first voiced by Michael Gerson on one of the Sunday talk shows a month or so ago. The McCain slime machine uses the term fully knowing its coded meaning among bigoted whites. McCain's use of "That One" in the debate is all part of this effort.

    Posted by pshaw-photo at 10/08/2008 @ 11:32am

82. gupdog-Does your mommy know that you're skipping school and playing on here?

    Posted by i'm nobody at 10/08/2008 @ 11:36am

83. Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 11:23am

    It must be truly AWSOME to be omniscient!

    Perhaps you could explain the ALaska Independence Party and how membership is actually a statement of love of country?

    Who is Obama really? Is he a constitutional law instructor, or a secret mooselum?

    Is he a community organizer working with christian churches to get people off welfare, or is he a fist bump terrorist golfer?

    Is he a mixed race child raised in middle America that went on to become a rising star in the Chicago business community, raised himself by his bootstraps in a real life example of living the American Dream, or is he a secret White Women sex fiend?

    Is he a man that served on aboard with another man that did something bad 30 years ago, or is he a CEO of a multi-national corporation that moved it's PO box off shore to keep from paying it's share of taxes while it did business with Iran, Syria, Qhaddafi and Saddam Hussein?

    Enquiring minds want to know.

    Sheep want to be afraid.

    Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 11:36am

84. I bet Obama is gone by the 4th of July.

    Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 11:29am

    whattaidiot.

    Posted by Benchrest at 10/08/2008 @ 11:38am

85. Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 11:32am

    I think we need to examine this sexual fantasy you have about demoncrats and Biblically excluded food groups.

    Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 11:39am

86. I bet Obama is gone by the 4th of July.

    Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 11:29am

    But even this partisan punk is admitting Obama will win.

    Posted by Benchrest at 10/08/2008 @ 11:40am

87. Alot of companies will flee this country ala Haliburton if this socialist bum gets elected. Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 11:38am

    ahh, yes, the patriotism just flows from the pores.

    whereas, if the socialism ($700,000,000,000) does NOT come to AIG, Goldman Sachs and other millionaires, then THEY will fold up their tents and go....

    Keep posting Gup, show the world the real face of conservatism circa 2008! c'mon, you can use the N word to show thee rest of us commie bastards that you have the guts to stand by your convictions and will not be cowed by PC jargon. Show us your immense intellect and Palin-like grasp of international politics.

    Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 11:44am

88. gupdog-You have convinced me to not vote for Ayers,if he runs for something..

    Posted by i'm nobody at 10/08/2008 @ 11:46am

89. Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 11:44am

    Oh great.

    An anti-matter RESE.

    Posted by Benchrest at 10/08/2008 @ 11:46am

90. Hey GUPDOG...

    BOO!

    Keep your women locked up tight... when Obama wins it will be an afro-centric free for all on White Chicks!!

    Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 11:46am

91. gupdog-I've noticed that you are a post,but won't discuss coward who claims to read Obama's mind and claims to know every business owner..

    Posted by i'm nobody at 10/08/2008 @ 11:49am

92. O and Ayers will join forces and run havoc through the halls of congress and WASP churches throughout the South. They will burn and bomb their way through Mississippi and Alabama, killing 5 young white women in their attempts to squash white voter turn out, they will kill any white men that come around to register voters, they will move on the a federal building in OK, focusing their attention on the child care facility, they will bring out the fire hoses and blast those pesky white lunch counter scum back where they came from, they will sick the dogs on any white man that dares to drink from Obamas fountain...

    and that is AFTER they have sex with Bristol Palin on the steps of the Lincoln memorial!! Both men, at the same time... while they sing Mao's song of liberation!!

    Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 11:52am

93. GUP, I own a business, and I support Obamas run for the White House

    bzzzt, does not compute....bzzztt

    (gupdog and his friends see a black man swimming about 200 feet from shore. They decide to kick that mans ass for having the audacity to swim on the white mans beach. So 20 of them swim out. When they get within 20 feet Gupdog screams out... "Go back! It's a trap! There are 2 of them!)

    Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 11:56am

94. gupdog-If you'd quit skipping school you'll learn that the president does not have that kind of power so have mommy drive you back to school so you can learn something.

    Posted by i'm nobody at 10/08/2008 @ 11:59am

95. Who knows, maybe America isn't ready to elect the best friend domestic terrorists and America-haters ever had, after all?

    Posted by pontificus at 10/08/2008 @ 08:07am

    that is not a question?

    Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 12:00pm

96. GUP, it looks like you have some extra energy and truly care about your country. Here is a link you may find interesting.

    http://www.goarmy.com/contact/find_a_recruiter.jsp

    Careful, though. You may be have to share a kit with brown guys, while you kill the other brown guys.

    Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 12:01pm

97. Well, GUP, you have proven that pontiflogic is in fact NOT the dumbest poster at TN!

    Well done. It was no easy task, ponti sets a low bar.

    Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 12:03pm

98. The next four or eight years is a time to heal the wounds,

    Posted by books at 10/08/2008 @ 08:23am

    frank?

    FRANK?

    Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 12:03pm

99. Why would a business man want to pay higher income tax and cap gains tax that comes with any democratic regime?

    Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 11:59am

    see: Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 11:52am

    Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 12:04pm

100. Well then, why don't I pay for mine and you pay for yours and leave the feds out of it?

     Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 10/08/2008

     why don't you pay for each other's and leave selfishness out of it?

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 12:05pm

101. Gupdog= "panic spam"?

     Yep, I guess McCain DID lose last night.

     Posted by Maskdelta at 10/08/2008 @ 12:11pm

102. If Bama wins, will they still call it the "white house"

     Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 11:52am

     is that a question.

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 12:14pm

103. Posted by captainte at 10/08/2008 @ 07:20am

     Cap'n Clueless - Obama was born in Hawaii (which is a state as I recall) and one parent a US citizen. Bingo US citizen! McCain was born to US citizens in Panama - a foreign country (gasp). Ooops, my bad, he's citizen too!

     Dude . YOU grow up and read a friggin civics book or something.

     http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html

     Posted by leftofcenter at 10/08/2008 @ 12:15pm

104. Well, GUP, you have proven that pontiflogic is in fact NOT the dumbest poster at TN! Well done. It was no easy task, ponti sets a low bar.

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 12:03pm

     see:

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 12:00pm

     is that a question. Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 12:14pm

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 12:16pm

105. "Murtagh believes the relationship between the Obamas, Ayers and Dohrn goes back 30 years, to Michelle Obama's time at Sidley Austin, a law firm that also employed Dohrn."-GUPDOG

     Michelle worked as a lawyer when she was 14?

     Man, that is one smart woman! She gets my vote.

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 12:17pm

106. hey mask,

     3.7:1 says "books" is frank.

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 12:17pm

107. Contrary to GupDog's assertions, the vast majority of small business owners will not have to pay higher income taxes.

     BTW, GupDog, your're the first poster off my island. Buh-bye!

     Posted by javaman222 at 10/08/2008 @ 12:17pm

108. Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 11:44am

     It's the bastard child of Rese and LibZ

     Posted by leftofcenter at 10/08/2008 @ 12:19pm

109. If Bama wins, will they still call it the "white house"

     Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 11:52am

     nope,

     "Nigger Crib" is the new moniker.

     i hear al sharpton's gonna be sec. of state.

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 12:19pm

110. 3.7:1 says "books" is frank.

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 12:17pm

     But FG is voting FOR McCain. Why the turnaround?

     My unsolicited opinion says nope.

     Posted by Benchrest at 10/08/2008 @ 12:21pm

111. oh no! obama hung out with said?! say it ain't so!

     Posted by darladoon at 10/08/2008 @ 12:22pm

112. hmmmmm, if obama is sooooo Radical, gupdog, then why is he a Democrat?

     Posted by darladoon at 10/08/2008 @ 12:25pm

113. "Obama is not black".

     and Obama is not white, either.

     Posted by darladoon at 10/08/2008 @ 12:25pm

114. f Bama wins, will they still call it the "white house" Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 11:52am

     What if McCain wins... and he brings his illegitimate black kid with him? What about McCains homosexual tendencies and manchurian past?

     I am using the same sources as GUPDOG now, just FYI.

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 12:26pm

115. My unsolicited opinion says nope.

     Posted by Benchrest at 10/08/2008 @ 12:21pm

     go back and check the arrival of "books"

     i think it was frank yesssmannning himself in the "height" on hillmania.....

     just a hunch, of course.

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 12:27pm

116. gupdog,

     what of mccain's connections to the US Council for World Freedom?

     Posted by darladoon at 10/08/2008 @ 12:27pm

117. hey mask,

     3.7:1 says "books" is frank.----Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 12:17pm

     GRITS? Why would he be back with a new nick PRAISING Obama??!?!?!

     Unless....he realized the hole he dug himself into as "FRANKGRITS", he knows he's not going to have any friends here (on the Left or Right) after the Election, and he wants to pretend he's "somebody new who's a progressive" (which also means if McCain wins, he can start his "Hillary in '08" campaign!!!)?????

     Maybe?

     Posted by Maskdelta at 10/08/2008 @ 12:28pm

118. GupDog is a shill. Just block him. he is just going to keep spamming the boards and never replying to anyone.

     Posted by Cccomfo1 at 10/08/2008 @ 12:29pm

119. obama is as red, white, and blue as the flag of france!

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 12:30pm

120. The door may swing open for Hillary, who is the real presidental candidate, who has addressed the issues with specifics, let the GOP spin machine work Obama over, and Hillary may somehow come out the victor. One can only hope.

     Posted by books at 02/21/2008 @ 09:07am

     eh?

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 12:34pm

121. Meanwhile FRANKGRITS listens and wishes ever so hard, that he could post something at "The Nation" blog about Rush...but all us "Hillary haters" and "Republican operateives" forced his hand! LOL!

     Posted by Mask at 02/21/2008 @ 12:26pm

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 12:37pm

122. Posted by books at 02/21/2008 @ 09:07am

     Egads ..... it IS FrankG (or a reasonable facsimile thereof)

     Posted by leftofcenter at 10/08/2008 @ 12:37pm

123. when Obama wins it will be an afro-centric free for all on White Chicks!!

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 11:46am

     Had a good laugh over this one.

     Posted by dailycomfort at 10/08/2008 @ 12:43pm

124. eh?

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 12:34pm

     I stand corrected.

     Again!! *&#*%!

     Posted by Benchrest at 10/08/2008 @ 12:47pm

125. "Where exactly is the Messiah going to get the moolah to fund these grandiose egalitarian dreams???"

     Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 12:49pm

     From a congress with rock solid democratic majorities dumbass.

     The same place Bush did when the republicans were spending money like crackwhores.

     Posted by Benchrest at 10/08/2008 @ 12:57pm

126. "just when the dems led by Frank and Dodd with their benefactors Raines and Cox have created the mess that will cost each man, woman and child about $2300 to clean up"

     which mccain (ironically) supported. hmmmm....

     Posted by darladoon at 10/08/2008 @ 12:58pm

127. >>>He did not slip up.

     The McCain campaign and its media acolytes have for weeks been spinning the notion that Obama is running as some sort of messianic character who sees himself in something akin to Biblical terms. <<<

     NICHOLS...it is worse than that!

     By using THAT ONE, McCain is trying to invoke "less than human" objectification, kind of like when one refers to an animal or insect. Some with racist inclinations refer to non-Whites in this manner, and McCain was trying to subtly appeal to these kinds of voters.

     Posted by Metteyya at 10/08/2008 @ 12:59pm

128. Come on, people. McCain's remark was tactless and rude, but it comes from a man who is clearly about as comfortable in front of a TV camera as Nixon on his worst days. Progressives don't help themselves in seeing some vast conspiracy behind every McCain gaffe. There is plenty to be outraged about on what are indisputedly orchestrated bits of disrespect to Obama (viz., campaign adds) without overreaching in this way.

     Posted by iamcfar at 10/08/2008 @ 1:02pm

129. there is no money

     Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 1:03pm

     Who spent it?

     Posted by Benchrest at 10/08/2008 @ 1:05pm

130. Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 1:03pm | ignore this person | warn this person

     Get used to hearing two words... PRESIDENT OBAMA

     Posted by BizarroRio at 10/08/2008 @ 1:08pm

131. Doesn't it seem like mccain is suffering from excessive anger. His behavior shows a man who may still be angry because of his military experience. He did not vote to increase benefits to vets. He appears to be suffering from depression (anger turned inwards). He is known to be disrespectful to his wife. He was definately angry last night. That smirk seems to be a perminate part of his face. Maybe he is angry because he has always gotten what he wants. It was his father and grand-fathers pull that made him a navy pilot. It certainly was not his talent. He wrecked three planes. One because he was goofing off trying to fly under utility wires. Some believe he may be responisible for the tradagy on the Forrestall. Did he help his fellow sailors when escaping from his inflamed plane? NO! Some believe he even collaberated with the VC! He is basically a poor example of an American Senator. To think someone like mccain could be president is insane. We could never elect someone who is soooo incomp..... oops I forgot about bush!

     Posted by Truthman at 10/08/2008 @ 1:12pm

132. I don't actually think it was racist or particularly even that insulting, and some are going over the top with this one.

     But I do think it made McCain seem old and crotchety. Sounded (and looked with his frenetic jabbing at Obama) a bit like my departed grandfather in his later years.

     Posted by Hman23 at 10/08/2008 @ 1:13pm

133. Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 1:03pm | ignore this person | warn this person

     Unbelievable-You really wrote "encourage India to annihilate Pakistan". You do realize that the only way India could annihilate Pakistan is with nukes and that Pakistan also has nukes. So, let me get this straight...You want India and Pakistan to get into a thermonuclear war with US troops stationed next door in Afghanistan????? This of course would only embolden the terrorists who hate our freedoms...You troop hating/terror loving motherfucker!!!

     Posted by BizarroRio at 10/08/2008 @ 1:15pm

134. when Obama wins it will be an afro-centric free for all on White Chicks!!

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 11:46am

     cool. that'll leave the black chicks for me!

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 1:15pm

135. "Where exactly is the Messiah going to get the moolah to fund these grandiose egalitarian dreams??? " Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 12:49p

     From a congress with rock solid democratic majorities dumbass. The same place Bush did when the republicans were spending money like crackwhores.

     Posted by Benchrest at 10/08/2008 @ 12:57pm

     the air is getting quite thin.

     printing money's getting harder......

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 1:17pm

136. Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 1:14pm

     Even in the hills of Idaho and Montana there is a sea change going on where kitchen table issues are trumping the concerns of the wealthy business types that you seem to be concerned about.

     Maybe you should have spread some of your ill-gotten gains to your brothers in those hills, 'cause now they are more likely to put a bullet in your head before they would consider putting one in Obama's.

     Posted by Metteyya at 10/08/2008 @ 1:19pm

137. guppydog,

     perhaps you should eat fewer slim jims......

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 1:22pm

138. Congress spent the money (GOP and DEM alike). Obama may win but he won't be president for more than one term like Carter was if he makes it that long, which despite what you may think I would not like to see and the calamity it would create would be very bad for the nation, but I am sure there are many people in the hills of Idaho and Montana who are cleaning their guns as we speak. It only takes one nut and one bullet to change history.

     Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 1:14pm | ignore this person | warn this person

     veiled threat? Vote for Obama at your own peril since some nutjob in Idaho or Montana will assasinate him?

     I hope your place in hell is especially pleasant.

     Posted by BizarroRio at 10/08/2008 @ 1:22pm

139. If I was the Nation I would be reporting gupdog to the secret service.

     Posted by i'm nobody at 10/08/2008 @ 1:28pm

140. dismissive? please! i hardly think that anyone who saw it actually felt that it was disrespectful at the time. it wasn't until the campaign surrogates pointed it out that anyone saw it as a slight. frankly it was a great point that mc-cain was making. why in the world was barack voting for anything that bush supported? can anyone answer that?

     Posted by eestihansa at 10/08/2008 @ 1:28pm

141. Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 1:27pm | ignore this person | warn this person

     You want a nation based on corporatism/racism/fascism/kleptocracy. BTW, with public schools, roads, retirement benefits, healthcare (medicare/medicaid), GSE's (Fannie/Freddie and now AIG), corporate welfare/subsidies, government run financial markets (The Fed) and a federal government that is the single largest employer in the country-What makes universal healthcare so deplorable?

     Posted by BizarroRio at 10/08/2008 @ 1:34pm

142. If Bama wins, will they still call it the "white house"

     Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 11:52am

     nope,

     "Nigger Crib" is the new moniker.

     i hear al sharpton's gonna be sec. of state.

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 12:19pm

     Damn that was hilarious! A close second would be crabwalk"s "afrocentric free-for-all". Keep 'em coming fellas. Man I hope gupdog doesn't doesn't drop dead on Nov. 5. Or do I?

     Posted by k330k at 10/08/2008 @ 1:37pm

143. #1 reason to vote for Obama on Nov 4-

     So people like Gupdog will live in pants shitting fear.

     Maybe I will go with O over Nader now.

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 1:37pm

144. Oh Obamans hear how modified McPalin felons folded within what their tired own overblown red rhetoric and air-headed ridiculous diction directed dumb-ass failure followers from fully comprehending coincidentally contemptuous radical racist repub lies lower than the worm wastes waiting to topple their fiercely fleeing terrified territories towards an animated ballooning black holy ho ho hole.

     Posted by hsuBfools at 10/08/2008 @ 1:38pm

145. Bye

     Posted by hsuBfools at 10/08/2008 @ 1:41pm

146. Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 1:34pm

     I hope McCain gets LOTS of advice from people like you.

     His "nastiness" is costing him the election, as this election has become a referendum on Karl Rove "divide and distract" politics.

     Distraction only works if the one you are trying to distract is unaware that this is what you are doing. Once they become aware that you are trying to distract them from focusing on the economic issues that really matter to them, the distraction fails miserably!

     Posted by Metteyya at 10/08/2008 @ 1:42pm

147. Don't call me nigger, whitey Don't call me whitey, nigger

     Don't call me nigger, whitey Don't call me whitey, nigger

     Well I was down, across the country And I heard two voices ring They were talkin' angry to each other And neither other could change a thing

     Don't call me nigger, whitey Don't call me whitey, nigger...

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 1:43pm

148. i saw it more as more of a dehumanizing, race-based based comment.... "that one"... from a man who didn't support the MLK national holiday.... to borrow from Kanye West, "John McCain doesn't like black people." No, I don't know that for a fact. Just get it from his strange mannerisms... in debate 1-- never looking at Obama... in his disdainful treatment of Obama on the Senate Floor during the bailout bill when Obama approached him.... and now, "That one." it's the same old coded Republican bullshit... It's Willy Horton... it's the white woman telling Harold Ford Jr. to call her in the Corker commercial.... it's the GOP trying to hold America back from its destiny as a democracy that doesn't view people based on race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.

     Posted by italiano at 10/08/2008 @ 1:44pm

149. Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 1:37pm

     I second that emotion.

     Posted by k330k at 10/08/2008 @ 1:45pm

150. Some facts for the health care buffs (from a Canadian perspective):

     1. I choose my own doctor an HMO doesn't. 2. My taxes (income, cigarettes, alcohol and such) pay for my health care. 3. In 2005 the per capita spending on health care in Canada $3,326 and in the USA $6,401. And, 46 million of you south of the border aren't covered. All of us are. By the way, the USA spends more money per capita on health care than any other nation in the world. 4. The USA spent 15.3% of its GDP on health care and Canada 9.8%. 5. U.S. government spending covers less than half of all health care costs. Private spending for health care is also far greater in the U.S. than in Canada. In Canada, an average of $917 was spent annually by individuals or private insurance companies for health care, including dental, eye care, and drugs. In the U.S., this sum is $3,372. 6. Administrative costs for health care are also higher in the United States than in Canada. 7. One of the most important differences between the two countries is the much higher cost of drugs in the United States. In the U.S., $728 per capita is spent each year on drugs, while in Canada it is $509. At the same time, consumption is higher in Canada, with about 12 prescriptions being filled per person each year in Canada and 10.6 in the United States. The main difference is that patented drug prices in Canada average between 35% and 45% lower than in the United States. The price differential for brand-name drugs between the two countries has led Americans to purchase upward of US$1 billion in drugs per year from Canadian pharmacies.

     (part 1 of 2)

     Posted by briccone at 10/08/2008 @ 1:46pm

151. cool. that'll leave the black chicks for me!

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 1:15pm

     Yes! I still have a chance.:p

     Posted by k330k at 10/08/2008 @ 1:46pm

152. Some facts for the health care buffs (part 2 of 3)from a Canadian perspective):

     8. And for those of you who like to say that malpractice suits are the cause of high costs: The extra cost of malpractice lawsuits accounts for some of the difference in health spending in the two countries. In Canada the total cost of settlements, legal fees, and insurance comes to $4 per person each year, but in the United States it is $16. Average payouts to American plaintiffs were $265,103, while payouts to Canadian plaintiffs were somewhat higher, averaging $309,417. However, malpractice suits are far more common in the U.S., with 350% more suits filed each year per person. While malpractice costs are significantly higher in the U.S., they make up only a small proportion of total medical spending. The total cost of defending and settling malpractice lawsuits in the U.S. in 2001 was approximately $6.5 billion, or 0.46% of total health spending 9. Who gets better care? One commonly cited comparison, the World Health Organization's ratings of health care system performance among 191 member nations published in 2000, ranked Canada 30th and the U.S. 37th, and the overall health of Canadians 35th and Americans 72nd. (However, waiting times for major non-emergency surgery have been longer in Canada.)

     Posted by briccone at 10/08/2008 @ 1:48pm

153. Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 1:39pm

     Let me pack your white sheet for you.

     write when you find work.

     Careful of any African-A-Rabs you may come across in the pacific . Here is some news right from a source you will like GUP-

     Posted: May 02, 2004 1:00 am Eastern

     © 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

     Citing information from Britain's MI6 and European intelligence services, Gordon Thomas, security correspondent for the London Sunday Express, writes that the bin Laden organization's investment strategy includes "leading technology and defense corporations in Australia, Singapore and other Pacific Rim countries."

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 1:49pm

154. Some facts for the health care buffs (part 3 of 3 from a Canadian perspective):

     10. A peer-reviewed comparison study of health care access in the two countries published in 2006 concluded that U.S. residents are one third less likely to have a regular medical doctor, one fourth more likely to have unmet health care needs, and are more than twice as likely to forgo needed medicines. The study noted that access problems "were particularly dire for the US uninsured." Those who lack insurance in the U.S. were much less satisfied, less likely to have seen a doctor, and more likely to have been unable to receive desired care than both Canadians and insured Americans. 11. I'll end with some basic statistics from 2002: U.S. Canada Life Expectancy (Male) 74.8 77.4 Life Expectancy (Female) 80.1 82.4 Infant Mortality/1000 live births 6.8 5.3 Obesity Rate (Male) 31.1 17.0 Obesity Rate (Female) 32.2 19.0 HC spending as % of GDP (2005) 16.0% 10.4%

     Through all entities in its public-private system, the U.S. spends more per capita than any other nation in the world, but is the only wealthy industrialized country in the world that lacks some form of universal health care.

     I hope this straightens a few things out for those who seem so worried about universal health care.

     Posted by briccone at 10/08/2008 @ 1:50pm

155. Posted by briccone at 10/08/2008 @ 1:50pm

     I have to inform you that some who have posted above won't believe you because you're Canadian and know of what you speak.

     Posted by k330k at 10/08/2008 @ 1:52pm

156. "I'll just pack up and take a nice long visit to my cousins in the south pacific "-GUPDOG

     Looking to breed, are you?

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 1:53pm

157. Looking to breed, are you?

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 1:53pm

     ROFLMAO!.....Geez, CRAB, when you nail one, you NAIL IT!

     Congrats!

     Posted by Maskdelta at 10/08/2008 @ 1:55pm

158. Section 11 should have read (the table didn't print):

     11. I'll end with some basic statistics from 2002: US Life Expectancy (Male) 74.8, Canada 77.4; Life Expectancy (Female) US 80.1, Canada 82.4; Infant Mortality/1000 live births US 6.8, Canada, 5.3; Obesity Rate (Male) US 31.1, Canada, 17.0; Obesity Rate (Female) US 32.2, Canada, 19.0; HC spending as % of GDP (2005) US 16.0%, Canada 10.4% (and going up in both countries).

     Posted by briccone at 10/08/2008 @ 1:58pm

159. Funny about gupdog's story about his Indian friends. I worked with an Indian fellow from 1999 - 2004. He was educated in India and came from an well-to-do family. he came to the US in 1975. I would jokingly tell him he was as American as I am because he had been in America as long as I had( I was born in 1976). He talked to me about Muslim-Hindi relations often. He mentioned Kashmir as well as the fact that he had muslim friends. He also mentioned how he knew that not all muslims were bad because of his friendships. He never mentioned violence towards anyone let alone Pakistan. I just wanted to offer a counter to gupdog's "stories".

     Posted by k330k at 10/08/2008 @ 1:59pm

160. I don't need to work. It will a long rest.

     Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 1:52pm

     Obviously you need a rest. Your brain is tired. You've stopped writing complete sentences. Hatred is hard work, eh?

     Posted by k330k at 10/08/2008 @ 2:01pm

161. GUP, when you slather up your cousin with back-bacon fat, will she be wearing cloth/wool blends?

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 2:12pm

162. Which show do you want to appear on first, GUP?

     1: Ricky Lake

     2: Maury

     3: Gerry Springer

     I know Katie Couric is just waaayyy to hard on people, so you will be wanting to avoid her hard hitting style of journalism.

     Remember, Sarah went to five different schools studying journalism, she should be able to prep you. I recommend you focus on chair hurling 102 and racial invective 304 (normally prerequisites are needed for 300 level courses, but I think your work here should get you past that hurdle)

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 2:17pm

163. I'm saving the lard for Barney, Chris and Franklin Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 2:17pm |

     oh, you swing that way?

     Nothing wrong with that, as long as Barney the Purple Dinosaur knows the safety phrase.

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 2:19pm

164. "Why would a business man want to pay higher income tax and cap gains tax that comes with any democratic regime?"--GupDog

     Because we are patriots.

     Posted by onthehelm at 10/08/2008 @ 2:22pm

165. HEY!

     Revelation!!!

     That is the dinosaur that Palin saw with humans!! Barney!

     In honor of our newfound friend from the Rainbow Room, GUPDOG...

     I like red it's the color of an apple

     Orange it's the color of an orange

     Yellow its a lemon and a beautiful sun sun sun

     Green its the color of the trees and lots of living things

     And then theres blue for the sky

     And purple that's a color that's fun fun fun

     When you put these colors side by side

     What do you think you've done

     You've made a rainbow

     And it's a really beautiful one!

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 2:25pm

166. printing money's getting harder......

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 1:17pm

     Naw, paper and ink are cheap.

     Kind of like our dollar now.

     Posted by Benchrest at 10/08/2008 @ 2:25pm

167. In closing I have just a few words for GUPDOG

     Be afraid...

     be VERY afraid.

     It's what works for your ilk.

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 2:29pm

168. Please visit the Official Indian Army Recruitment Website. Recruiting Directorate: recruitingdirectorate@vsnl.net.

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 2:33pm

169. © 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

     Citing information from Britain's MI6 and European intelligence services, Gordon Thomas, security correspondent for the London Sunday Express, writes that the bin Laden organization's investment strategy includes "leading technology and defense corporations in Australia, Singapore and other Pacific Rim countries."

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 1:49pm

     i wouldn't have posted that reference for your info. that place is a right-wing shitrag.

     Posted by palehorse67 at 10/08/2008 @ 2:35pm

170. I'm appreciative that you are addressing the hidden theocratic underpinnings of McCain's language and actions.

     But respectfully, you aren't taking it where it truly lies, and that is of the Republican Party's integration into the Assembly of God and other Pentecostal and televangelist terrorist activities.

     These people and their organizations are well-funded, very heavily armed, and they are actively and effectively infiltrating and taking over all aspects of government administration, direction and function.

     They have one mission, one goal - to effect a complete and total world war which will destroy all civilization.

     Victory. I posted about this at the Home of the Brave blog at Wordpress.com.

     They use that word over and over and over again. But it doesn't refer to military victory - because there is no declared national enemy in Iraq to conquer.

     It refers to taking over the US in government, military, and civilian authority and control so that a global nuclear war can be carried out.

     McCain and Palin need to be investigated and charged with treason and terrorism NOW. As does the Republican Party, the Assemblies of God and every other "religious" organization which is fronting for a domestic terrorist organization.

     They are dangerous, they are armed, and they want nothing good for you, your family and your country.

     Posted by Nequals1 at 10/08/2008 @ 2:37pm

171. wouldn't have posted that reference for your info. that place is a right-wing shitrag. Posted by palehorse67 at 10/08/2008 @ 2:35pm |

     Consider to whom it was addressed.

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 2:41pm

172. Why would a business man want to pay higher income tax and cap gains tax that comes with any democratic regime?

     Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 11:59am

     as the brainwashed assholes the GOP has produced have told us repeatedly: FREEDOM ISN'T FREE!

     Posted by palehorse67 at 10/08/2008 @ 2:41pm

173. Gupdog, tell me how close I am in understanding where you come from. It seems like I have known quite a few "gupdogs" in my life. 1) You never served in the US military. 2) You have no education other than high school/GED. 3) You have read under three books (not counting comics) in the past five years. 4) You live at home with your Mom and treat her like shit. 5) You don't have a real job.

     How close did I come? No offense I am sure you are a nice fellow.

     Posted by Truthman at 10/08/2008 @ 2:42pm

174. and the overall health of Canadians 35th and Americans 72nd.

     Posted by briccone at 10/08/2008 @ 1:48pm

     that's because we don't have murdochsnews yet.

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 2:42pm

175. Consider to whom it was addressed.

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 2:41pm

     touché, sir. touché.

     Posted by palehorse67 at 10/08/2008 @ 2:42pm

176. not close what?

     Posted by palehorse67 at 10/08/2008 @ 2:45pm

177. I am awestruck! Absolutely effin' AWESTRUCK!!

     To think, I was giving credence to the likes of Jonathan Haidt (http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/haidt08/haidt08_index.html), giving serious consideration to the points he raises and dealing with my own associates who favor McCain with this as part of the basis of trying to understand...

     All I really had to do to understand it was to finding the illuminating postings of "GupDog", and now I get it, they really are just reactionary, stupid pieces of drivel!!!

     Wow, yes thank you GupDog, you save me so much effort, after all assuming some charitableness towards them as fellow human beings was such an effort.

     Shill, Troll, however you identify yourself, it becomes so much easier when I realize that no compassion is appropriate.

     I am sure the Obama campaign thanks you also, having run into your crock on the web today, I decided to make a contribution to the campaign

     Posted by dandlion at 10/08/2008 @ 2:47pm

178. Winston Churchill

     Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 2:31pm

     Win afternoon with astronaut Winston E. Scott

     (Distributed through BlackPR.com

     and BlackNews.com)

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     ¥g¥g¥g¥g¥g¥g¥g¥

     wow, gil scott-heron sang of "whitey on the moon",

     but now, the "brothers" are in space!

     sorry, gup, but 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1 = 1

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 2:51pm

179. FREEDOM ISN'T FREE!

     Posted by palehorse67 at 10/08/2008 @ 2:41pm

     i just wish it weren't so full of dom.

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 2:53pm

180. "The biggest argument against democracy is a five minute discussion with the average voter."

     Winston Churchillhill

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 2:55pm

181. The vast majority of indians have a differnet view on the matter. they ahve been chomping at the bit to go after the pakis for a log time but we won't let them, much to our own detriment.----Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 2:03pm

     How exactly is NUCLEAR WARFARE in Southwest Asia....to the good?

     Posted by Maskdelta at 10/08/2008 @ 2:57pm

182. doublydoodiddly plusplusly ung⨀⨀dlyungood!

     winston flanders.

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 2:57pm

183. extra crispy samosas!

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 2:58pm

184. The entire McPalin campaign is predicated on fear, hatred and lies. It is impressive to watch it fall apart. I have never been confident in American voters, yet now everytime McCain attempts a new stunt it backfires. This guy is a spoiled brat; he's never succeeded at anything, but he truly believes that he is entitled to the presidency. His desparation to outrank his father and grandfather is leading him down this destructive path. The efforts at creating fear and the lies are too numerous to mention. However, the audiences at the campaign's recent hate-rallys should terrify every American. These groups should complete the picture by goose-stepping.

     Posted by sdslaw at 10/08/2008 @ 2:59pm

185. Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 2:48pm

     ahh, you make lame joke, keemosabe', but mayhap you were in the pacific when the Federal Building in OK was blowed up by a God lovin' veteran, and when the Olympics were attacked by another God Fearin' 'Maerican, or when doctors were gunned down in front of there children by more Freedom Lovin' Army of God followers. Perhaps you were pulling out of cousin #3 when Rev Phelps gave a virtual piss on the graves of veterans and let us know in no uncertain terms that the Rev's Haggard, Jones, Robertson, and other members of the "mainstream" declared that GOD WILL PUNISH AMERICA for it's sins!!!! Or perhaps you were restin' in Malaysia when the American militia movement was at it's apex during the Clinton boom years?

     But, this is a forum on Bill ayers activities in the 1960's, not recent events.

     I digress.

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 2:59pm

186. dog, i'm in montana. in my neck of the frozen tundra, obama is perfectly safe and loved. he watched the fourth of july parade here--right there on harrison avenue, with everyone else. then he went to a picnic lunch out in the open, grassy knolls all around.

     you, on the other hand, dog, would not last a day, spewing your ignorance, dragging your knuckles, drooling all over yourself like you do, before you joined america's missing, never to be heard from again.

     Posted by loveloki at 10/08/2008 @ 3:02pm

187. Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 2:48pm | ignore this person

     This has got to be one of the most despicable, ARREST WORTHY POSTS, I have ever seen!

     Hey GupDog, or FishPuppy, or you complete ASSHOLE UN-AMERICAN SHIT FOR BRAINS!!!! Why don't you keep that trip to the pacific planned. The Pacific Ocean is really big...DROWN IN IT!!!!

     Because you don't agree with at least half the people running the Government you want them killed?!?!?!?!

     Not that you apparently understand this, but the ability to find common ground in disagreements without another CIVIL WAR is really important to our stability. Dissent IS American. IGNORANT HATRED IS NOT AMERICAN!!! YOU ARE NOT AMERICAN!!!

     Don't be surprised if you are on an FBI watch-list...PSYCHO!!!

     Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 10/08/2008 @ 3:04pm

188. "The biggest argument against democracy is a five minute discussion with the average voter."

     Winston Churchill

     Posted by frosty zoom at 10/08/2008 @ 2:55pm | ignore this person | warn this person

     Reading some of these posts...talking to you FishPuppy...people should have to pass a policy related competency test to vote. Or maybe just a reality awareness test.

     If you think people rode dinosaurs to church, you can't vote...or be Vice-President.

     Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 10/08/2008 @ 3:10pm

189. gufdog, I know you didn't serve in the military!

     Posted by Truthman at 10/08/2008 @ 3:12pm

190. I am not part of such a group nor do I condone such action.

     Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 3:10pm | ignore this person

     Oh...I see. Just kiddin' right?

     "BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN"

     Kill 'em by exporting cigarettes. Yeah that was a good one too.

     Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 10/08/2008 @ 3:12pm

191. "...homeless, unemployed, students..."

     Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 3:14pm | ignore this person

     Wow!!! FishPuppy, you ARE insane!

     Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 10/08/2008 @ 3:17pm

192. It wasn't me who advocated the extermination of the left side of the aisle. some other poster claims there are hordes of right wing religious groups who are locked and loaded and ready to take over. I am not part of such a group nor do I condone such action. Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 3:10pm

     They should tie all the democrats to trees, lather their genitals with bacon grease and let starving dobermanns at them. Whatever remains can be used for shark bait. Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 11:32am

     We must have 2 GUPDOGs here today.

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 3:19pm

193. Ouch:

     http://www.pollster.com/

     No wonder, but Olberman's ditty is a little off, I say it's more, McPalin in the anis, rather than in the membrain...

     Posted by hsuBfools at 10/08/2008 @ 3:19pm

194. It appears that gupdog is just posting whatever stupidity pops into his head in order to get attention.

     Posted by i'm nobody at 10/08/2008 @ 3:20pm

195. Gufdog, it is obvious you are coward with a loud mouth. Why don't you go in the bath room grab the old k-y and do what you do best.

     Posted by Truthman at 10/08/2008 @ 3:21pm

196. If you have a better way to get iran to stop building nukes, I am all ears.

     Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 3:16pm | ignore this person

     So by taking away the only secular government and Iran's only major roadblock in the Middle East to more power, we did the right thing?

     You do realize that by invading Iraq we were carrying out Osama Bin Laden's wishes. WE HELPED BIN LADEN'S CAUSE YOU MORON!!!

     Barack wants to attack those who attacked us. You'd think Republicans would appreciate that. Barack will protect Israel and as well as ourselves from Iran. You just don't want to listen to him because he's a Democrat. Or is it something else?

     Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 10/08/2008 @ 3:24pm

197. I wouldn't let the homeless, unemployed, students or convicts vote either. Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 3:14pm

     Can't you just feel the patriotism and his basic grasp of constitutional law oozing from his pores?

     YES! Let us return to the good 'Ol days of Poll taxes, white landowner rule and Thom Jefferson Family Values (honey, let's get ALL of the kids in this picture).

     Hey, gup, thanks for feeding into every stereotype of ignorant redneck. It saves time. Reminds me of my childhood too. Maybe if you are lucky you will outgrow your infantile fears by the time you reach puberty.

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/08/2008 @ 3:27pm

198. "Wow!!! FishPuppy, you ARE insane!" Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 10/08/2008 @ 3:17pm

     Is this some sort of rhetorical question? Your question question is a joke, right? Really, I could use the humor after the wall of ignorance and hate earlier, but I sort of have to accuse you of pandering in making the comment.

     Posted by dandlion at 10/08/2008 @ 3:27pm

199. We may be gun shy, but the chosen people are not. They already bombed Syria's nuke site a few months back and they will not hesitate.

     Posted by GupDog at 10/08/2008 @ 3:16pm |

     All right!! Let Israel do it! The CHOSEN people!

     OK, lets hear it. HOW can they do it? I am all frickin ears.

     This is where you figure out you don't have a frickin clue what you're talking about.

     Posted by Benchrest at 10/08/2008 @ 3:33pm

200. Hey FishPuppy,

     Barack worked on stopping "Loose Nukes" with Republican Chuck Hagel(you'd like what Chuck had to say about Palin BTW).

     "Loose Nukes" coming out of the former Soviet Union have posed a bigger threat for longer, and could be more easily used than anything Iran or Iraq would be able to produce. We had Iraq under control prior to invading post 9/11. Saddam was a control mechanism, that is all. Now that Bush/Cheney screwed it all up, Iran and Iraq pose a bigger problem now than they ever did prior to 9/11.

     Wait...what am I doing trying to talk sense to someone who has none.

     Sorry FishPuppy, I shouldn't expect you to exercise your brain without stretching first...you might pull something.

     Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 10/08/2008 @ 3:34pm

201. At least McCain didn't refer to Obama as "boy" or say he was "uppity."

     Not yet, but there's always those undecided KKK types and wife beaters who need a little prodding on which way to think.

     Posted by Greg Bacon at 10/08/2008 @ 3:37pm

202. Myabe, gupdog is bipolar or something. One minute he's describing how he would kill democrats and then turns and says he doesn't condone murderous behavior. Interesting. Sad and pathetic but interesting.

     Posted by k330k at 10/08/2008 @ 3:38pm

203. "Is this some sort of rhetorical question? Your question question is a joke, right?"

     Posted by dandlion at 10/08/2008 @ 3:27pm | ignore this person | warn this person

     I guess I don't see where I asked a question by saying GupDog is insane.

     Do you think it's funny to say students and the unemplyoed shouldn't be able to vote?

     I WOULD have questions for you?

     If you mean me using the tag CanWeQuestionPalin? then I will say that I will use this tag until "Sister Sarah" goes on Meet the Press, or has an actual press conference like every other Vice-Presidential wanna' be has for decades. The woman is a joke. I guess protecting her from witchcraft includes the press.

     Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 10/08/2008 @ 3:40pm

204. I don't think guppy pup has responded to a single post directly. That means he is spamming the board.

     If everyone puts him on ignore, he will be posting in a perfect vacuum. Look at it like a physics experiment.

     Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 3:53pm

205. "Look at it like a physics experiment."

     Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 3:53pm

     AWESOME!!! I love physics...and games! Put 'em together you got good times!

     Bye GupDog...in a vacuum no one can hear you be an idiot.

     Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 10/08/2008 @ 3:57pm

206. "I guess I don't see where I asked a question by saying GupDog is insane. "

     Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 10/08/2008 @ 3:40pm

     Two apologies are due to you

     1. In commenting , I allowed the post credits to run into the quoted content, thus creating the ambiguity of whether I was questioning the quote or your tag

     2. That I did in fact misread you comment not once but twice, Somehow until This last post I thought you were asking him if he was insane. I figured it must be intended as humor, but going back over it, I see that it was a statement as opposed to an interrogative. (Sorry worked all night last night and my eyes are a little bleary).

     re: Palin and Journalism, I think it is about a tossup whether she is the Obama campaign more good by playing the "gotcha journalism" game or exposing herself as the kind of fool / tool that she is.

     Posted by dandlion at 10/08/2008 @ 4:00pm

207. "Bye GupDog...in a vacuum no one can hear you be an idiot."

     Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 10/08/2008 @ 3:57pm

     While I understand the practical value of just turning it off on a personal basis, (and I thought of that before it was mentioned), I do believe that such trolling needs to be responded to with some intelligence.

     To simply ignore this kind of trolling unfortunately leaves many innocent readers subject to seeing it unanswered.

     Posted by dandlion at 10/08/2008 @ 4:09pm

208. Posted by dandlion at 10/08/2008 @ 4:00pm

     Hey dandlion, it's all good. I've done the same thing too.

     As far as Palin goes, I guess what bothers me the most is how easily swayed by fluff people are. I thought that stuff was saved for babies and puppies. Or 4 year olds who really can't sing any better than any other 4 year old. I knew Americans could be gullible but MY GOD!!! I almost wonder if a candidate could get away with this 4 weeks from an election ride a wave into office and only then have people say..."What the fuck did we just do?" I try not be surprised by the rampant stupidity in this country, but we seem to keep out-doing ourselves.

     I posted somewhere else that What if Obama had a preacher who was "Laying Hands" on him saying protect him from witchcraft? Like Palin did with head bowed. He'd be called a practitioner of Voodoo. If Michelle was a "Secessionist" like "The First Dude of Alaska" the Obama's would have never got out of Iowa. Yet the "mainstream media" just keep talking about fluff when it comes to her.

     All of that being said, I am thankful that he picked her because I do think it back-fired in a lot of ways. But the fact that so many people are so excited about voting for her really freaks me out. With the media it's the principal, with her supporters it's confusion and absurdity of how much they like someone they don't know and never heard of two months ago. They don't even care about her actual policies or capabilities, but gutting a moose is important to being President. I always knew people let dumb things sway their vote, but people that support her should seriously be ashamed for being so gullible.

     In the end she'll go back to Alaska and lose her re-election bid, but I hope we've learned a lesson about VP's with Cheney.

     Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 10/08/2008 @ 4:21pm

209. I gotta' go but before I do here's a possible solution to the energy crisis...

     It might be possible to create a new energy source by putting all the heads together of people like GupDog, McCain and Palin(and everyone campaigning for them), Bush, Cheney, Lieberman, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Mona Charen, Maggie Gallagher, Michelle Malkin and the many others like them. I bet with their heads all lined up ear to ear we could create the world's most powerful wind tunnel. Why not finally put the space between their ears to good use?

     Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 10/08/2008 @ 4:31pm

210. To simply ignore this kind of trolling unfortunately leaves many innocent readers subject to seeing it unanswered.

     Posted by dandlion at 10/08/2008 @ 4:09pm

     Good point. I think the same thing normally. Unless the troller(?) is not interacting with the board, but merely copying text and printing it to the board. Innocent readers who do not see that probably wouldn't be affected one way or another. And by responding to spam it lends it some relevance.

     Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 4:31pm

211. I share your fears about Palin, but even though the general media is doing a miserable job of detailing what a pathetic fraud both her and the irrational one are, I think and hope that the majority of U.S citizens are coming to realize that whatever was "rotten in Denmark" has crossed a significant body of water. At this point, I am actually more worried about whether the value of the act of voting itself has been destroyed by Rovian tactics, the new "Gosh, ain't they dandy" electronic ballots, and what I see as the distinct possibility that we may not even be "allowed" to have an election via Presidential Directive 51. I am afraid that I am going to have to call it a day, I am well into my 22cnd hour and words on the screen are starting to run together. Amazing that I can proof read three or four times and not see something until after I submit it.

     Posted by dandlion at 10/08/2008 @ 4:37pm

212. Even though the McCain campaign wants us to think it is a close race, it is only because they have been planning to "buy" or "fix" the election like the last two. Hint. If Obama wins Florida, go to bed early. Miss UnChristian hate-speech Palin will be headed home to her igloo where she will be impeached and back to no career. My brother who lives in Wasilla, says he will vote for her just to get her our of Alsaka. Boy, is that a sad state of affairs. Speaking of affairs, can McCain REALLY deny his affair with the lobbyist he took with him everywhere in the early campaign. Is that why Cindy is always, "watching his back?" Or is she carrying the defribulator?

     Posted by mcteach at 10/08/2008 @ 4:41pm

213. Again, if we just go by spam....

     I guess I better admit I was wrong and...

     McCain lost the debate!

     Posted by Maskdelta at 10/08/2008 @ 4:48pm

214. If Obama wins Florida, go to bed early. Posted by mcteach at 10/08/2008 @ 4:41pm

     Just out of curiosity when will the results for Florida be in? Election results seem to never be final in Florida. Im still waiting for the media to acknowledge the fact that Al Gore won Florida 8 years ago..

     Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 5:25pm

215. Is anyone else out there as sick of this as I am? McCain has completely lost his frikking marbles folks...........He is angry, disrespectful, distainful, contemptous, loutish, and he has no recourse for this country. To gleefully throw his own sense of honor under the bus and bitterly grasp for the bleak, biggoted underpinnings of the more prejudiced people in this republic is beyond despicable. DO us all a favor John. Go away. Go away to your dark, vicious attitudes and perceptions of warped pseudopatriotism and take your paltry posse of ignoramouses with you

     Posted by Sherri Wong at 10/08/2008 @ 5:28pm

216. Posted by Sherri Wong at 10/08/2008 @ 5:28pm

     I second that!

     Posted by chaoszen at 10/08/2008 @ 5:32pm

217. it's over, buh bye hate mongers. you are a dying breed....

     Posted by rmjlattanzi at 10/08/2008 @ 5:38pm

218. the party's over, racists! you too, homophobes! oh yeah, you war mongers too!

     Posted by rmjlattanzi at 10/08/2008 @ 5:39pm

219. And Senator McCain's rude remark is going to be his undoing, McCain's Macaca Moment of 2008, like this guy hilariously points out … probably not the October Surprise McCain was planning ...

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWSRBQQCfUI

     Posted by terrylandon1977 at 10/08/2008 @ 6:06pm

220. Terribly rude, uncouth, and I know why: unlike Barack, he cannot comprehend that only with a daub of old K-Y can he transfix the voter to the end.

     Posted by chinpoko at 10/08/2008 @ 6:17pm

221. While John McCain looked and sounded agitated like he was in Pa(l)in, the way he is allowing his campaign to disintegrate below the radar has racist and potentially fascist overtones and is therefore very scary.

     Posted by WeldonRobeson at 10/08/2008 @ 6:23pm

222. I mailed in my ballot today. The voting has begun here in California.

     I think Obama has California locked. . . but I am happy to be able to vote for him.

     I am 55. When I was growing up on Chicago's Southside, which was considered one of the most racially stratefied cities in the country in those days, with rigid lines between blacks and whites, I could never have imagined a black person running for national office.

     I am proud of all of us, collectively, for being a country with the potential to value civil rights and opportunity for all.

     When I was growing up, you never even saw black people on television. And there were virtually no women leaders either.

     The world has to change. It is a fact of life, change. I am proud of all of us that we have been able to nominate a black person for the President and I hope to christ he wins.

     Posted by Tree_Fitz at 10/08/2008 @ 8:04pm

223. Posted by Tree_Fitz at 10/08/2008 @ 8:04pm

     I personally delivered my ballot yesterday to the County Clerk in Santa Cruz.

     LET THE GAMES BEGIN!

     Posted by Metteyya at 10/08/2008 @ 8:07pm

224. NEOCONS - made you look. Yes - you

     There are some new trolls dropping in, looking for a weak spot to exploit on Obama's health care plan.

     Notice how little they say of McCain's $5000. Do a little page search. Not one mention of this.

     OK, yeah... Health Care as a right? Clever Limbaugh retort, it's not in the Bill of Rights.

     Subtext, big govt liberals, etc. All the same stuff you used the corporate media to suffocate Gore, Kerry.

     First your heroes aren't exactly financial / fiscal conservatives or any ideology whatsoever besides ineptiology.

     Second, the Bill of Rights doesn't mention "health" or "medical" or "marriage" or "pregnancy" or "family" or "$5000"/whatever McCain's promising either.

     Third, don't hide behind these zinger, state your position clearly. For ex., respond to these basic questions.

     Exactly how far would you take your position??? Stand up and be counted. Your opinion - Yes / No:

     Should private health care providers / corporations be able to deny care/coverage to:

     Anyone without insurance or the ability to pay?

     Regardless of age (neonates / elderly)

     Regardless of history (vets, AIDS)

     Same line of questions for government -

     Homeless psychotic vet?

     Baby still kickin' in a dumpster?

     Where exactly do you draw the line? Try hard not to dodge the details.

     Posted by winyahn at 10/08/2008 @ 8:18pm

225. Some of you may be surprised at his comment; you should not be because as John N stated in this article and that I as well concur with him......."it was not a slip up. Racism, incompetence, stupidity, etc. make up the very fabric of McCain's and people like him (Stevens, Kenning, Bush, Bolton, etc.) existence.

     Unfortunately these are the people that continuously are put in positions of power regardless of how incompetent they are. Besides that comment, what about when Oliver posed his question to the candidates concerning "tension felt by homeowners..."? Part of McCain's (again stupid/incompetent..) response to Oliver (called him by the wrong name as well) was that "Oliver probably never heard of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the financial crisis erupted".......what?!!!!!!!!!!

     Posted by rayven at 10/08/2008 @ 8:38pm

226. McCain's words to black Oliver, "I'll bet you, you may never even have heard of them before this crisis."

     In context, it's creepy. Wouldn't find it that harsh otherwise...

     Posted by winyahn at 10/08/2008 @ 8:51pm

227. Neither candidate has proven that they have the qualities so desperately needed in the next president...dignity, honesty, and integrity. With America so torn, this could have been the year when a true viable independent candidate with those qualities would win. I guess we'll still have to wait for a savior to rise from the streets. I only hope that happens in my lifetime.

     People need to rise up, stand together and say NO MORE

     Posted by drkenne at 10/08/2008 @ 9:39pm

228. To tell you the truth while McCain was talking I fell asleep, all I can say is boring, boring, boring, all he could say is my friends, my friends, my friends. Reminded me of old George Burns hobbling around. Barack will blow him and his beauty queen out of the water on election day. Change is coming hang in there.

     Posted by globalresponse at 10/08/2008 @ 9:57pm

229. Long, long time ago, when the primaries were underway, I just knew it would come down to Obama and McCain, because the timing is so apropos. An old white man against an uppity young black man is the perfect imagery for the necessary changes long overdue in this country.

     Now, to have some real fun, McCain should stop saying, "That one," and refer to Obama as "boy." Then, Obama could call McCain "Massa John."

     Ah! Good times on the old plantation.

     Posted by Tunnelrat at 10/08/2008 @ 10:04pm

230. "None of the Above" should be on every elected position on every ballot in the country, from 'Dog Catcher' on up to 'President Elect'. THAT should make for far more interesting campains. Also on the 'Health Care' front; There should not be private, for profit, legal fictions being able to have life or death decision making ability over human beings or the rest of the critters on this place this place we call home, it is bad enough we've got governments doing that. (This goes real deep and I don't have my 'waders' on.) And back to what this commentary was talking about; The McCain/Palin ticket is an openly bigotted/racist ticket and is showing to the world America's dark underbelly goes further than just Bush/Cheney et.al. and in so doing is making it alright for other governments around the world to do the same things to their people. As in Ohio in 2004 the voting in JEB run Florida in 2000 was rigged in multipul ways from the outset and that Gore won the state by a 300+ vote margin and all this has been well documented, just not reported by the 'corporate owned' media. There... I had my little bit of say on this matter now I'll put my foot back in my mouth muffle muff...

     Posted by rrtreerat at 10/08/2008 @ 10:36pm

231. I am from Alabama and the phase "that one" is code for a mob attack. McCain and Palin are dangerous with blind ambition.

     Posted by Barbara2423 at 10/08/2008 @ 10:42pm

232. Perhaps I am naive, but I took "that one" as a clumsy attempt at jocularity. I agree that it was inappropriate, but I am not convinced that McCain had any sinister intent in making the remark.

     Posted by sgoodman at 10/08/2008 @ 11:39pm

233. Shhhh! We must try to be quiet. Gupdog is now chained and has been resting peacefully from all the excitement. It seems he got loose and his owner eventually found him in the neighors yard trying to hump a black lab. We don't want to wake him!

     Posted by HonestLee at 10/08/2008 @ 11:58pm

234. I betcha that scratchy old McCain is now talking with Diebold.

     Perhaps I'm linguistically challenged, or something, but in my day we used to call people like McCain - not "that one", but "that prick".

     Pricks, as we all know, usually end up in positions of power.

     Did Obama refer to McCain, as the "honorable senator"? I hope not, but if yes, it must have been the most difficult two words of his entire career.

     Posted by canadiankid at 10/09/2008 @ 12:24am

235. McCain is portraying Obama as a naive elitist with little experience. And he is correct to a certain degree. But Obama's willingness to absorb information, synthesize and analyze, give erudite answers to queries and remain calm despite the storm leads me to believe that he IS prepared to take over as President. He appears intelligent enough to choose a staff that will support him and his ideologies but not be afraid to tell him when he is wrong. And he is perhaps naive enough to believe that we can correct all the bs that the Republicans have given us over the last 8 years! He does not strike me as a man who will throw a tantrum a la McCain if he doesnt get his way.And he is a "congenial" friend and adversary! McCain is an admirable man who endured great pain and suffering for his country. But that does not give him the right to be a President. His bellicose nature is NOT suited for this country at this time. Cooler heads are needed. And I for one will choose "that one" over McCain when that important Tuesday comes...

     Posted by vinsan at 10/09/2008 @ 12:43am

236. McCain is being true to his bully-on-the-playground persona. Frat-boy, sophomoric...fear mongering. He is the Mr. Wilson to Barack's Dennis. Let him keep it up because most of us not want Mr. Wilson as our leader.

     I say leader because we need more than a figurehead good ole boy, have a drink with him guy. We want intellectual, worldly solid leader to take us out of the muck the ole boys we have had put us for 8 years.

     Posted by MochaM at 10/09/2008 @ 02:09am

237. It would be nice if The Nation would do a definitive story on the wingers and why they feel it necessary to spew hatred.

     For the past 8 years, at the national level, the party they love has been in power, and with disastrous results. But all this time they and their radio Goebbels impersonators, Rush Limburger et al, have been ranting and raving at us as though we progressives had been peeing in their swimming pools and laughing at their NASCAR jackets.

     Even when they're on top, they're paranoid and nasty. Now that they're about to be relegated to the dustbin of history (we hope), what can we expect of them? That they will come after our leaders with their squirrel guns blazing?

     Seriously, these people need looking into, and they're never going to volunteer to have a psychiatrist do that. Let's get a brave journalist or two to do it.

     Posted by elcomputo at 10/09/2008 @ 05:39am

238. If McCain claims to reach out to both sides of the aisle, this suttle choice of words does not show that! It's really a question of his deep character. It came out at that moment.

     Posted by throwin at 10/09/2008 @ 06:36am

239. I think it's sickening to see McCain leaving the DIRTY work up to the women on his campaign trail. He's not a real man. He's turned into a coward.

     Posted by throwin at 10/09/2008 @ 06:48am

240. elcomputo posted: It would be nice if The Nation would do a definitive story on the wingers and why they feel it necessary to spew hatred

     Why is it necessary? Because they are fearful. Fear is the root of anger, and for the last 8 years, fear has been the mantra of the RNC. yes America is threatened by terrorists - homegrown terrorists -who have demonized anyone and anything that they have deemed as "other". They have tapped into the fear in the American culture that perhaps we really aren't all "that" in the world - and have solidified and codified the rational "if you're not with us, you're unAmerican"; during the 60s the chant was "My country love it or leave it, My country right or wrong" but the real underlying mantra was "either agree with me or get out" - From my perspective as a low rung retail worker, I find it disheartening and very sad to watch the RNC rallies and I hear the echoes of the 1930s rallies in Germany, the same sound and fury and fear in those rallies echoes mightily throughout the Joe Six Pack rallies emceed by Palin. And no one blinks an eye - it's politics as usual. Really? When did Seig Heil become our slogan? When did rights of the mob supercede the rights of the individual? When did we decide the only Right worth keeping was the Right to Bear Arms? When did we decide the USA meant tyranny and oppression? When? On the day we elected fear as the overriding raison d'etre for all things political.

     Posted by Greytdog at 10/09/2008 @ 06:49am

241. Greytdog, WELL SAID!

     Posted by throwin at 10/09/2008 @ 06:57am

242. I get tired of hearing posts that say mccain is a war hero. He is a privilaged son of an admiral who became a pilot because of his connections. He was shot down because of his lack of skill. He will not release his military records!! Why not? Come on John, you have been riding the POW thing, why not show us the records? A few posts back Sherri Wong stated her suprise at mccains character. Sherri, look a little deeper, you barily scratched the surface. Uncle Fester is hiding the truth from us and himself.

     Posted by Truthman at 10/09/2008 @ 07:49am

243. Greytdog, YOU"RE AN IDIOT!

     Posted by abell12ct at 10/09/2008 @ 10:18am

244. Posted by abell12ct at 10/09/2008 @ 10:18am

     BOO!

     Got shiny new chastity belts for the women in your life Abe? "Those people" are gonna be out for some white meat.

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/09/2008 @ 10:36am

245. What's up with all the canines all of a sudden?

     ---

     "That one," and refer to Obama as "boy." Then, Obama could call McCain "Massa John." Ah! Good times on the old plantation. Posted by Tunnelrat at 10/08/2008 @ 10:04pm |

     Yeah! God I have been waiting for that slip! too bad Trent Lott isn't on the stump with Gramps, it would be just a matter of time before one of the White Dudes let slip with that "boy", and it would be landslide city.

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/09/2008 @ 10:40am

246. "Those people" are gonna be out for some white meat. Posted by crabwalk

     Well that's pretty racist of you!

     Posted by abell12ct at 10/09/2008 @ 11:18am

247. Posted by abell12ct at 10/09/2008 @ 11:18am

     Only repeatin' what I hear.

     The other thing that causes this phenomenon, along with voting for an African American president, is marijuana use. apparently, according to congressional testimony given by upstanding civic leaders, that plant has a detrimental effect on the minority mind ...According to the same people that worn me of communism, liberal thoughts, socialism, gun control regulation, all around regulation of business, sexual freedom, universal healthcare.

     Just assimilating the right wing propaganda, Abel. Ask GupDog, he has lots of it to share.

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/09/2008 @ 11:42am

248. LEAKED! Questions that got banned from the town hall "debate"...

     "Senator McCain, regarding our hostages in Guantanamo, in your opinion does their experience being tortured by us for the last five years qualify them to be presidents of their respective countries?"

     More banned questions at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuQDTjx-ygM

     Posted by ApyNation at 10/09/2008 @ 12:11pm

249. I don't care how the media tries to forgive "the senile old senator", for "that one", this one is clearly arrogant and the tone that is the beginning of a racist and xenophobic attitude.

     Posted by lachatte at 10/09/2008 @ 12:21pm

250. mccain's behavior indicates he can not work across the isle he is a divider not a uniter. if he can not give the common courtsey of respect in public i can imagine what he feels in private. mccain is dangerous and out of control

     Posted by richdoll at 10/09/2008 @ 12:56pm

251. Only repeatin' what I hear. Posted by crabwalk

     Fuck you. I'm not racist you asshole.

     Posted by abell12ct at 10/09/2008 @ 12:57pm

252. my, my, but these cons do have thin skins.

     Posted by crabwalk at 10/09/2008 @ 1:10pm

253. You have just confirmed the fact that you are an asshole. I knew you were but thanks for the confirmation.

     Posted by abell12ct at 10/09/2008 @ 6:35pm