Palin the Librarian

posted by Ari Berman on 09/10/2008 @ 11:12am

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Brian Ross of ABC News did a great report last night on how Sarah Palin tried to ban books and fired the town librarian when she was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska.

Here are the most relevant sections:

ROSS: Around the time Palin became mayor, [Palin's] church and other conservative Christians began to focus on certain books available in local stores and in the town library, including one called "Go Ask Alice," and another one written by a local pastor, Howard Bess, called "Pastor, I am Gay."

BESS: This whole thing of controlling, you know, information, censorship, yeah. That's a part of the scene.

ROSS: Not long after taking office, Palin raised the issue at a city council meeting of how books might be banned according to news accounts and a local resident, a Democrat, who was there.

ANNE KILKENNY: Mayor Palin asked the librarian, what is your response if I ask you to remove some books from the collection of the Wasilla Public Library?

ROSS: The Wasilla librarian, Mary Ellen Edmonds, the then president of the Alaska Library Association, responded with only a short hesitation.

KILKENNY: The librarian took a deep breath and said, the books in the collection were purchased in accordance with national standards and professional guidelines, and I would absolutely not allow you to remove any books from the collection.

"A few weeks after the council meeting, the mayor fired the librarian, although she was reinstated after a community uproar," Ross reported. "The Wasilla librarian, Mary Ellen Edmonds, left two years later, and according to friends, because it was just too hard working for Sarah Palin."

Comments (191)

Christ, people...you've got to F*(^%(*)& kidding!!!!

Obama said McCain's lies are like "putting lipstick on a pig"....

I would add Palin is full of bologna, with her pork and earmarks to make any respectable governor hide in shame....her fifty million in pork over four years for her tiny town is disgraceful and her illegal firing, trip taking, etc etc etc...is shameful!!!!!while now saying pork is bad.......

If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, it most likely is a f*()^)& duck!!!! palin is a f*&(%% fowl

McCain told his wife to strip naked at a recent biker's rally and offered her up for taking...insults her regularly, started dating cindy BEFORE getting divorced from his ex-wife, calling it one of his "most miserable failings"....it is STILL ADULTERY.....and the shameful reason he divorced his wife was she was in a wreck, no longer a trophy wife, AND

mccain used THE SAME LIPSTICK COMMENT EIGHT MONTHS AGO REFERRING TO HILLARY...

How in the hell does he think attacking Obama now after SAYING THE SAME EXACT THING will attrack hillary supporters????

Are Americans REALLY THAT STUPID????

SERIOUSLY???????

Your can put your boots in the oven, but that don't make 'em biscuits....

No I AM NOT DISGRACING PALIN WEARING BOOTS WHILE SHOOTING MOOSE FROM PLANES, WHICH SHE ADMITS DOING....

You can't throw the baby out with the bathwater.....

DOES NOT MEAN YOU SHOULD BAN ABORTIONS FOR RAPE OR INCEST OR CRAP ON THE WORLD BECAUSE YOUR EVANGELIC PREACHER OF PALIN PREACHES END TIMES EVERY SERMON!!!!!

Etc, etc. etc, etc....

NEOCONS ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN TRYING TO FORCE END TIMES ON US and then OBAMA IS SCARY??????

THE CHOICE IS BLACK AND WHITE: OBAMA AND BIDEN!!!

NOT DUMB AND DUMBER: MCSAME AND STALIN...

NO OFFENSE TO STALIN.....

Posted by jrs112 at 09/10/2008 @ 11:37am
We can say for certain that no book was ever banned. Nor is there any record that Palin initiated a formal process to censor any books.

Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/10/2008 @ 11:37am

Emphasis on "formal"...

Posted by Balrog at 09/10/2008 @ 11:50am
lvliberty-Both sides do this sort of thing every four years so it would be silly to try and make more out of it than that.Like the rest of us,you know very little about Palin and don't know much about all of these "scandals"to claim that it's all a lie.You are,like all partisan people,looking at whatever makes your side look good and ignoring whatever doesn't.That's partisan politics.

Posted by i'm nobody at 09/10/2008 @ 11:53am
From their own standpoint, Palin & her ilk, if worried about questionable ideas & language in the local library, should be equally concerned with their children's activity in community backyards. If instruction is tenuous, these kids might confuse dog turds with silly putty. Live your own lives right wingers & be satisfied with your skewed school systems. Leave the libraries alone.

Posted by Sorelish at 09/10/2008 @ 11:59am
Happy-The vast majority of people on the left are ordinary people, just like the right.The one thing that I have discovered since coming out of the mountains is that the left has a wide variety of views,as is obvious even on here,but the modern right all sound like Rush, with few exceptions.What that means is that "the left" does not have the views about voters that you claim and would have a wide variety of views on the subject.

Posted by i'm nobody at 09/10/2008 @ 11:59am
in the town liberry.

sheesh.

anyhoo........

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 12:15pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/10/2008 @ 11:37am

you hate freedom.

"Compulsion in religion is distinguished peculiarly from compulsion in every other thing. I may grow rich by art I am compelled to follow, I may recover health by medicines I am compelled to take against my own judgment, but I cannot be saved by a worship I disbelieve & abhor."

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 12:21pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/10/2008 @ 11:37am

LVL,

The point is SHE TRIED to ban library books but got push back from the librarian.

Now we need to know why Palin objects to people reading "Go Ask Alice," and "Pastor, I am Gay"?

Even if "she" disagreed with the author of these books, that does not give her a right to prevent others from reading the material! IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T READ IT!!!

This sort of intolerant mindset concerning the views of those she disagrees means she does not have the temperament to be president and should therefore be rejected as a vice presidential candidate.

If some "liberal" mayor TRIED to ban some Christian books you like, you would be up in arms, so now that the shoe is on the other foot, where is your outrage?

Posted by Metteyya at 09/10/2008 @ 12:22pm
Happy-I would,of course,deny that the left holds that view because there is no evidence of it which is why you stated it as an opinion that you did not back up with facts and your view that I am the left shows that you,either, have difficulty understanding what you read or don't know what the left is.I am about as ordinary as a person can get and have never tried to connect with the leftist ideologues and have confronted them on their views of Israel and have stated that I'm pro God, anti abortion,anti gun control,pro death penalty,and prefer small government with few laws.Someone who is trying to connect with the left would,of course,not come on here expressing such views, as I have done.The fact that I have found the modern GOP lacking has put me in a position where I'm willing the give the left a shot at it,but that does not make me "the left".

Posted by i'm nobody at 09/10/2008 @ 12:23pm
Nice to see the right-wingnut crowd here to support extremist christo-fascism!

Keep up the good work fellas....the Rapture is a-comin' - the Wasilla Assembly of God says so.

Posted by leftofcenter at 09/10/2008 @ 12:24pm
Lvliberty-As I said,you found that which supports your views and ignore that which doesn't,like facts about her views of the AIP that have been recorded.

Posted by i'm nobody at 09/10/2008 @ 12:25pm
"McCain pledged to work for peace based on "the transformative ideals on which we were founded." Tolerance and democracy require freedom of speech and the press, but while mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, Palin inquired of the local librarian how to go about banning books that some of her constituents thought contained inappropriate language. She tried to fire the librarian for defying her. Book banning is common to fundamentalisms around the world, and the mind-set Palin displayed did not differ from that of the Hamas minister of education in the Palestinian government who banned a book of Palestinian folk tales for its sexually explicit language. In contrast, Thomas Jefferson wrote, 'Our liberty cannot be guarded but by the freedom of the press, nor that be limited without danger of losing it.'"

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 12:25pm
"Palin argued when running for governor that creationism should be taught in public schools, at taxpayers' expense, alongside real science. Antipathy to Darwin for providing an alternative to the creation stories of the Bible and the Quran has also become a feature of Muslim fundamentalism. Saudi Arabia prohibits the study, even in universities, of evolution, Freud and Marx. Malaysia has banned a translation of "The Origin of the Species." Likewise, fundamentalists in Turkey have pressured the government to teach creationism in the public schools. McCain has praised Turkey as an anchor of democracy in the region, but Turkey's secular traditions are under severe pressure from fundamentalists in that country. McCain does them no favors by choosing a running mate who wishes to destroy the First Amendment's establishment clause, which forbids the state to give official support to any particular theology. Turkish religious activists would thereby be enabled to cite an American precedent for their own quest to put religion back at the center of Ankara's public and foreign policies."

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 12:26pm
nice story...and from abc (foxlite)at that.

keep hitting her on this stuff. hit her on her ideology and theology.

its time to fight back dirty - with dirty truth like this. show whats behind the smile and face - a scary, rightwing, fundamentalist, vendetta holding, christofascist.

now, obama - also speak about the manufactured rightwing outrage about your "pig with lipstick" remark. you must attack...attack not only mrs. palin, but the entire rightwing propaganda network, including drudge and mr. murdoch's and mr. black's tabloid propaganda rags.

use your communication skills to put out the message and fight the smears against you while continueing to dig and insinuate what appears to be the truth - that palin is a rightwing funamentalist wolf-in-sheeps-clothing who is DANGEROUS for america.

oh..gee! was that reference about clothing sexist????

go after that BS hypersensitivity thing too. is her gender going to be a blanket excuse to whine and complain every time anybody says anything unflattering about her? is that what the women's movement is all about? for that matter, compare how that rightwing has vicioused hillary clinton in the past to this silliness...

hit hard - through some dirt in their faces - there's plenty of it and unlike the republican crap - this is real.

fight, barack and joe. don't be afraid. if you ignore it and just play the high road you will regret it and lose like so many other dems. if you fight and pound them with the ugly truth, at least you will have tried.

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 12:27pm
Little Suzy: "Mommy .. if I learn how to field-dress a moose, can I be the Vice President too"

WingNut Mommy: "Silly girl, of course you can. But first you'll have to have your heart and brain removed..."

Posted by leftofcenter at 09/10/2008 @ 12:27pm
no happy,

the election isn't about obama vs. palin.

that's just bullshit to sell viagara and shampoo.

this election is about my son's future.

please america, not again.

YOU CAN'T AFFORD MORE WAR.

ever heard of the soviet union?

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 12:27pm
you hate america.

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 12:28pm
hey larry,

how does it feel to be a socialist?

enjoying your fannie?

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 12:29pm
This is from Wiki on one of the books Palin wanted banned:

"Go Ask Alice is a controversial 1971 book about drug abuse that is considered a classic of American young adult literature. The book purports to be the actual diary of an anonymous teenage girl who died of a drug overdose in the late 1960s and is therefore presented as a testimony against drug use. Alice is not the protagonist's name; the diarist's name is never given in the book. A woman named Alice is mentioned briefly in one entry; she is a fellow addict the diarist meets on the street. Despite this, reviewers generally refer to the diarist as "Alice" for the sake of convenience."

The book appears to be a realistic account of a teen struggling with drug abuse. WHY WOULD SARAH WANT TO BAN THIS?

Posted by Metteyya at 09/10/2008 @ 12:31pm
of course LL is happy as a pig in a poke! (uh oh - did i offend poor, helpless mrs palin?)

LL and his ilk would LOVE to ban books and anything that conflicted with their rightwing, fundamentalist version of christianity.

evolution, sexual themes, anything uncomplimentary to his version of christianity...

of course the cromwellian fundyvangelist armies of ignorance are happy with mr. mccain's choice - she is truly one of theirs!

TELL THE STORY, OBAMA. the truth shall set us free...rightwing fundyvangelists wish to enslave the rest of us and impose their morality, mythology, and bigotry on all americans.

the rightwing christian movement is an oppresive, undemocratic, regressive, angry threat to all americans, including the moderate majority of american christians (who, according to the christofascist palins only THINK themselves christian...)

only a heartbeat away from christofascist theocracy...was it really worth it john mccain? you, despite your bushophile voting record, at least seem to hold some of your pre 2000 moderation and sense, but this person you have picked is a menace.

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 12:37pm
lvliberty-The polls are all over the map making most questionable,except for Rasmussen and a couple of others that aren't connected to networks or newspapers, and those aren't showing anything big for either candidate.Everything that you claim is leftist behavior is done by both sides.

Posted by i'm nobody at 09/10/2008 @ 12:40pm
I am certainly solidly on the Right, but I have never lost touch with that large group in the middle....this is the main reason we win the WH....Clinton was an anomaly due to that guy from EDS! Posted by SoHAPPY at 09/10/2008 @ 12:10pm |

Hahahah. This post is funny Happy. You in your own argument make an argument against yourself. You say that he has as lost touch but doesn't realize it because he is apart of the left. I could you argue that you have lost touch but don't realize it because you are apart of the right. You don't realize that the media slants right. The reason you win the White House isn't because your governing is better which is evidenced by the state of the country today but because you play cheap shot politics. Where you go after a person's character and never bother talking about the issues. Tell me without speaking in generalities what McCain plans to do to make this country better?

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/10/2008 @ 12:41pm
Posted by Metteyya at 09/10/2008 @ 12:31pm

Because reading such filth will make them become drug addicts....just like thinking bout condoms is the same as telling them to have orgies!

What are you thinking Mett ... now say 3 Hail Mary's and gut a moose before god steals your underpants

Posted by leftofcenter at 09/10/2008 @ 12:41pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/10/2008 @ 12:35pm |

Geez .. I think that babble counts as "speaking in tongues", right?

Posted by leftofcenter at 09/10/2008 @ 12:43pm
On the contrary, it's clear that Palin was at least broaching the idea of censoring books. Even if she didn't have a specific list of titles in mind, there would be no reason for her to float a trail balloon about it unless she had been considering an action.

The firing of the librarian after she demurred on the basis that Palin didn't fee she had the other's support isn't a very credible coincidence. Neither is the idea of her being rehired following public protests.

Posted by brunowe at 09/10/2008 @ 12:43pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/10/2008 @ 12:35pm | ignore this person | warn this person

an entire post of rightwing christian projection and passive aggresion.

attack others and when others dare fight back, even only with words, demonize them and claim they are the aggresors - and if they look like they are winning - scream MARTYRDOM as loud as you can!

lie to your heart's content (you are saved anyway and once you accept jesus as your personal savior, you can lie and do all sorts of nasty stuff since your ticket to heaven has nothing to do with what you do but is just some invisible spiritual contract...) and work for "god's" vengeance (wrought by you, of course) on all those obnoxious folk who dare mock you, even if such mockery consists of naught more than "no thank you"...

yes, LL...you really do have one of your own now...

but lets see if obama/biden will call you on this...lets see if the truth can remain hidden for 8 weeks...

perhaps it can. old scrath, he's a powerfully deceptive one and has no better friends than the "christian" right...

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 12:46pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/10/2008 @ 12:35pm

LVL,

Just answer the question:

WOULD NOT YOU FIND IT OUTRAGEOUS IF A VP CANDIDATE WHO COULD BE PRESIDENT "TRIED" TO BAN SOME CHRISTIAN BOOKS FROM THE LOCAL LIBRARY?

Posted by Metteyya at 09/10/2008 @ 12:48pm
Geez .. I think that babble counts as "speaking in tongues", right?

Posted by leftofcenter at 09/10/2008 @ 12:43pm | ignore this person | warn this person

tis the true face of the christofascist right - hatred, lies, rage. deception and hypocrisy, as they pretend to support democracy yet work tirelessly for theocracy...

and once the angry cromwellian christofascist theocracy is in place...no more need for half the hypocrisy - the other half will always be needed as they have pretend they are the good guys...

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 12:51pm
Happy-I'm a poor country boy who hangs out with people like myself and lives in a working class neighborhood.You live in the upper burbs.Who do you figure is more in touch with ordinary people?

Posted by i'm nobody at 09/10/2008 @ 12:53pm
c'mon, larry.

how does it feel to be a socialist?

i bet you can't wait to have phil gramm as secretary of the "treasury".

what's next on your shopping list, Lehman Brothers?

<i>Muskrat, Muskrat, candle light Doin' the town and doin' it right in the evenin' It's pretty pleasin' Muskrat Suzie, Muskrat Sam Do the jitterbug at a Muskrat Land And they shimmy, Sam is so skinny

And they whirl and they twirl and they tango Singin' and jinglin' a jangle Float like the heavens above Looks like Muskrat Love

Nibblin' on bacon Chewin' on cheese Sam says to Suzie Honey, would you please be my Mrs Suzie says, yes, with her kisses Now, he's ticklin' her fancy Rubbin' her toes Muzzle to muzzle Now anything goes as they wriggle Sue starts to giggle</i>

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 12:55pm
Obama's right, the only reason that McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS campaign is getting ever more ridiculously nasty, is that they got nothing real to offer; just this BS. The more BS, the more the MSM is distracted from focussing on the debate issues where McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS is on the wrong side of all the issues.

I can see why lies would be more comfortable to the new con repub McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS campaign, wanting to continue the petty dic'tatorship and dumbing down the public and the cowardly MSM about it as much as possible.

Posted by hsuBfools at 09/10/2008 @ 12:56pm
See this is what is funny LVL. You are only talking about OFFICIAL action. Not unofficial action. Apparently there was enough of an uproar that she fired the librarian in specific to get her to reinstate. Now why I wonder would there be such an uproar if it was just a mass firing? Just because there was no official action taken does not mean she did not have intent to do it.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/10/2008 @ 12:56pm
hey catholic america! think mrs palin is a good choice because of her anti-choice position? check out the assembly of god, her religion, and see what they say about you guys...

in fact, all should check out this denomination and what its american ayatollahs believe, say, and want!!!

maybe mrs palin has some 'splainin' to do about what HER pastors have said...

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 12:56pm
Here is the latest on Troopergate. Apparently, Palin was REPEATEDLY WARNED by a judge to stop harassing the ex-husband of her sister:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/158140/page/1

Posted by Metteyya at 09/10/2008 @ 12:57pm
Posted by Metteyya at 09/10/2008 @ 12:48pm | ignore this person | warn this person

he may respond, but will he answer?

but then he may not even respond...

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 12:59pm
socialists unite!

nationalization of the financial industry is the proletariat's right.

don't let that capitalist mongrel of imperialism, the free market, take away the power of free markets.

fannie and freddie are just the first steps.

today gse's,

tomorrow the investment banks.

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 1:01pm
In fact, Palin asked for the resignation of a handful of department heads to test their loyalty, according to reports at the time.-----Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/10/2008 @ 11:37am

So, she had "loyalty tests"?

BTW, don't you love that LVLIB has had to DENY Palin attempting to do....

something that LVLIB would support!!!

LOL

Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 1:07pm
anyhoo,

facts matter zero when speaking of ms. palin.

it's about imagery.

the more she is attacked, the more it benefits mccain's image as the steadfast father.

i suggest letting her evaporate.

i repeat facts matter zero.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

Winston Churchill

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 1:10pm
"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. "

Winston Churchill

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 1:12pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 1:12pm

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, so you're OBVIOUSLY calling Sarah Palin a "pig", aren't you, FROSTY!!!!

AHH-HAA! THERE! Proved it!

(sorry, got possessed by the spirit of a right-winger....I'm better now!)

Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 1:20pm
¶•¶•¶•¶ Theocrats confuse God's will with their own mortal policies. Just as Muslim fundamentalists believe that God has given them the vast oil and gas resources in their regions, so Palin asks church workers in Alaska to pray for a $30 billion pipeline in the state because "God's will has to get done." Likewise, Palin maintained that her task as governor would be impeded "if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God." Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei of Iran expresses much the same sentiment when he says "the only way to attain prosperity and progress is to rely on Islam. ¶•¶•¶•¶

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 1:22pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 1:07pm | ignore this person | warn this person

the hypocrisy is deeeelicious!!!

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 1:10pm | ignore this person | warn this person

no - dems have tried to ignore and assume others would forget or dismiss - not effective in this situation.

dems need th HIT AND HIT AND HIT - AND IF THEY KNOCK HER DOWN - KICK AND KICK AND KICK HER...

hit hard and don't stop - hit with truth and hit on her religion, record, and personal demeanor - make people look at her and fear her.

and if everytime we hit, they boohoo and cry "unfair" or "sexism"...

eventually they will start sounding wimpy and bullshitty and pathetic. pull no punches.

as a side benefit, mccain will appear increasingly weak and marginalised himself. it will start to look like he is meaningless and unable to win without pulling some kind of gimmick.

and obama needs to suck up hard to both clintons...their enthusiastic support and combativeness could be crucial.

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 1:23pm
oh -- my -- god.

here come the pigboaters!

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 1:23pm
"and obama needs to suck up hard to both clintons...their enthusiastic support and combativeness could be crucial."

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 1:23pm

Ah, Castor Oil.

It tastes really bad, but it works.

Posted by Benchrest at 09/10/2008 @ 1:26pm
DATELINE 2009

PUNDITS AGREE,

THE PIGBOATING OF OBAMA COST HIM THE ELECTION.

PRESIDENTS PALIN AND THE OTHER GUY PLAN PIG ROAST IN ROSE GARDEN TO CELEBRATE.

√√√√√ √√ √√√√√

"pork is the ultimate renewable resource"

-- frosty zoom, 2008

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 1:26pm
The only animal that I have ever raised for food that I could not turn into food was pigs and I ended up having a pig nursing home where my pigs died of old age.

Posted by i'm nobody at 09/10/2008 @ 1:27pm
for "dexter"*

"In The Land of the Pig, The Butcher Is King"

Meat Loaf: Bat out of Hell III

¯˘¯˘¯˘¯˘¯˘¯

go get 'em. you know gringos better than i do.

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 1:30pm
the repugnants have the momentum for now.

being nice and highbrow will result in disaster for the dems. unleash the dogs of war and take no prisoners. ridicule, scold, scream the ugly truth. righteous wrath and indignation are our tools

we must steel ourselves and cease being nice, cease fearing the power of the dark side.

THERE IS NO WAY THE DEMS CAN SAY OR DO ANYTHING THAT WONT BE TWISTED AND FALSELY INTERPRETED BY THE RIGHT. SO EFF IT ALL AND DAMN THE TORPEDOES. DON'T WORRY ABOUT HOW THE UGLY TRUTH WILL BE RECIEVED - SHOUT IT AT THE TOP OF OUR LUNGS AND IF AFTER FIGHTING OUR BEST FIGHT WE LOSE, SO BE IT.

better to live one day as a lion than a hundred years as a lamb. the lamb approach has lost one election after another for the dems - roar and let the cards fall as they may.

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 1:30pm
"A pig used to dirt turns its nose up at rice"

japanese proverb

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 1:33pm
Q: WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PITBUL AND A PIG?

A: THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IF THEY ARE BOTH WEARING LIPSTICK

Posted by Metteyya at 09/10/2008 @ 1:34pm
go get 'em. you know gringos better than i do.

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 1:30pm | ignore this person | warn this person

thanks frosty - if things "go south" this november i may be going north soon afterward. no desire to live in a christofascist hell of an earthly empire. how's the weather up there? nice and cool?

with global warming canada might have a nicer climate in the future anyway...

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 1:35pm
"Nobody creates a fad. It just happens. People love going along with the idea of a beautiful pig. It's like a conspiracy."

jim henson.

<i>it's time to put on makeup.......

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 1:36pm
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 1:30pm

Hell yeah!

You listening and learning CHAOSZEN?

The correct way to say it and GAIN votes, not LOSE em!

Posted by Benchrest at 09/10/2008 @ 1:37pm
here's one for all you fannistas:

"A pig bought on credit is forever grunting"

Spanish Proverb

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 1:38pm
It tastes really bad, but it works.

Posted by Benchrest at 09/10/2008 @ 1:26pm | ignore this person | warn this person

yup...

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 1:39pm
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 1:23pm

The ENTIRE Palin candidacy is based on GOP hypocrisy.

Among several points-

1. McCain's original campaign (Pre-Palin) was based on "experience"...he picks Palin with a year as Gov and a mayorship and suddenly the campaign is about "reform and change".

2. They bring up Jeremiah Wright....but now claim it's "no big deal" that Palin's ministers from Kalinin to Kroon are just as wacky and "God will strike down America".

3. They bring up a casual friendship with Bill Ayers.....but try to make TODD PALIN's membership in a separatist group as "nothing to it".

4. They attacked Hillary's call for a windfall profits tax on Big Oil as "more Hillary socialism".....but oddly forget Palin supported and PASSED a similar measure in Alaska.

5. Due to OBVIOUS un-popularity of such moves to the general public, LVLIB is forced to DENY that Palin attempted to remove books from a library....a move that LVLIB would otherwise support!

6. They attempt this LUDICRIOUS "Obama called Palin a pig" charge...when it's clear from the FULL text that he was talking about McCain's policies...

and IGNORE that McCain used the EXACT SAME PHRASE a year ago to describe Hillary's health care plan....did McCain call HRC a pig?!??!!?

Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 1:39pm
"Then Megan yelled, 'HEY YOU DUMB PIGS!'

Three pigs jumped up and ran right over Megan,

WAP-WAP-WAP-WAP-WAP, and out the gate."

Robert Munsch, Pigs

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 1:40pm
"Kissy, Kissy"

miss piggy

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 1:40pm
527s prepare to PIGBOAT!

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 1:45pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 1:39pm | ignore this person | warn this person

exactly! obama has to steel his soul, square his jaw, and fight...and he has to do it himself.

sure, set biden on to it, but obama cannot sit back anymore playing mr. niceguy.

repitition repetition repetition...mantra-like truths to counter mantra-like lies...

force the repugnants to screech and whine so loudly and constantly that people begin to wonder what their problem is. make them look as small and full of it as they are.

and make mmcain look as insignificant, dottering, and ineffective as he apparantly is in light of the fact that it took this gimmick to fire up his campaign.

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 1:45pm
FACTS - TRUTH '08

I Mean, Seriously.

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 1:51pm
but hit hard on one thing above all others...

THE THEOLOGY AND WHAT IT ENTAILS FOR ALL WHO DONT SHARE IT.

paint her as a rightwing christofascist disguised as something else. expose the nature of her ideology and her theology and make sure everybody knows what they are so enamored with.

creationism, book banning, vendettas, apocalypse seeking...

put all this stuff front and center.

before, mccain had a good many moderates and that part of the repugnant party i still call republicans...now he has all these cristofascists arming themselves and fantasizing about having one of their own a heartbeat away.

unhinge this by ceaselessly putting the christofascist agenda and belief system under the white hot spotlight for the public and perhaps mccain may gain the christofascists at the expense of the moderates and those elements of the republican party who hate fear the same.

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 1:53pm
Seriously...how can Plain complain about a pig with lipstick when she describes herself as a pitbul with lipstick?

At least a pig is "slightly" cuter than a pitbul!

Lol!

Posted by Metteyya at 09/10/2008 @ 1:54pm
This simply displays that you know that you cannot win a debate of ideas so you result to the usual leftist name calling and lying smears that is typical of leftist behavior. The biggest hypocrites and most censorial people in the world can be found in the left who preach openness and diversity until and unless it is conservative and especially if it is conservative and evangelical christian.

Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/10/2008 @ 12:35pm

We Are The Victims! We Are The Victims! We Are The Victims!

Posted by chaoszen at 09/10/2008 @ 1:56pm
triangulate. show palin to be the dangerous representative of unamerican religious intolerance and backwardness. make non christofascists afraid of the possibility of living under a palin theocracy. and, if successful, mccain will will appear all the more ineffective, incapable of good judgement, and meaningless.

there is opportunity here if the dems strike while the opportunity is there and strike mercilessly.

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 1:57pm
"show palin to be the dangerous representative of unamerican religious intolerance and backwardness" This will never happen. Take a trip away from the coasts and you'll see why. The MSM is a bunch of kiss-up wimps who, although they mostly agree with your statement, will never suggest anything to upset an overly religious populace. Can't wait to see what kind of softballs that scumbag Charlie Gibson is going to lob at her tonight. Anything contraversial will be screened and agreed upon ahead of time.

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 2:04pm
THE REAL JOHN MCCAIN

Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."

– Sen. John McCain, speaking to a Republican dinner, June 1998.

Not only is McCain's hideous attempt at humor about 10 times more tasteless than what Shuster said (as the David Corn article notes, newspapers that reported on the joke wouldn't even print it), but while the newsman's ill-conceived comment was at least spontaneous, McCain's joke was a prepared remark to a public audience.

Maybe McCain has more in common with Limbaugh than Rush thinks. The straight talk express should be ashamed of himself.

Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/10/2008 @ 2:04pm
strike mercilessly.

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 1:57pm

I like that!

Posted by chaoszen at 09/10/2008 @ 2:06pm
Accusing Obama of "smearing" Palin in "offensive and disgraceful" comments, the McCain campaign demanded an apology -- though McCain himself used the folksy metaphor a few times last year, including once to describe Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's health care plan.

It wasn't sexist when MCCAIN said it about Hillary. She didn't even bring it up.

God, can we even get consistency from the MCPAIN campaign? Other than consistently lying that is.

Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/10/2008 @ 2:07pm
I'm only trying to throw a life-line to people drowning in the McSAME KOOL-AID. I know Darth Cheney and the Dark Side seductively simplify things. But it's never too late to come to the Light Side with Obi-Wan-Obama.

Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/10/2008 @ 2:08pm
This simply displays that you know that you cannot win a debate of ideas so you result to the usual leftist name calling and lying smears that is typical of leftist behavior. The biggest hypocrites and most censorial people in the world can be found in the left who preach openness and diversity until and unless it is conservative and especially if it is conservative and evangelical christian. Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/10/2008 @ 12:35pm

Says the guy who calls anyone who debates abortion with him, a murder, anyone who debates social programs, a communist, and anyone who debates the credentials of McCain or debates military action, a traitor.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/10/2008 @ 2:10pm
and make mmcain look as insignificant, dottering, and ineffective as he apparantly is in light of the fact that it took this gimmick to fire up his campaign.----Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 1:45pm

The Right basically ADMITS that....listened to Sean the Boy Wonder (as well as Fat-man) and they SAY "The base got fired up when Palin was picked"...i.e. the base was NOT fired up before-hand voting for ol' Maverick.

What's odd is, that these guys are so fired up...for somebody who'll be less than Quayle when it comes to real power in a McCain Presidency.

You think he's going to put her in charge of a major policy move...when she has no support except the GOP base and no experience in Washington?

Or is it more likely he'll send her down to NASA to talk about "Mars landings"...or meet with nice, safe foreign leaders/nations like Brazil or Australia?....or send her to schools to promote the "McCain Education Plan" and spell "pototoe"?

Yet, they're fired up...because he threw them a bone with some red meat on it.

But Palin won't be setting the agenda...the SAME GUY they were NOT fired up about, will.

Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 2:11pm
Keith Olbermann, almost immediately after her acceptance speech, compared Palin to Reese Witherspoon's character in Election. I LMAO. If you check into it, the guy who runs NBC news, I think his name is Jeff Imult, says that he is only taking those two off the main anchor job in order to free them up for more comments like that one. So, don't worry folks. In due time, the American media consumer will see exactly what she is. If it was 1980-1984, you could sell this horecrap, but not today with the 24/7 MSM. Its only a matter of time before everyone sees she's nuttier than a bag of squirrel turds. Remember, she repeated the same speech like 10 times. Thats just weird. It definitely shows a lack of any real political skill or intelligence.

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 2:16pm
Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 2:04pm | ignore this person | warn this person

yes - but if obama says it over and over and makes no apologies - THE MEDIA WILL REPORT IT.

if the media reports what he says and polls show it to be well recieved by the people...

the media will go along with it and the punditocray will blab about it until the first tuesday in november...

except for fixednews, the rest of the media will go where the public sentiment takes it, more or less...

and if obama says it - it will get reported. if not, the right will report it by screech-a-phone on their propaganda network and the media will still be forced to examine it.

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 2:16pm
Democrats need to learn (and enjoy) getting down in the mud and fighting fire with fire. Especially in the last two months of an election cycle. These Anti-American wingnuts on the right are truly dangerous and should receive no quarter. After it is all over we can all take a shower to wash away that dirty feeling. And then return to the business of putting this country back together.

Posted by chaoszen at 09/10/2008 @ 2:17pm
I meant "horsecrap" wow, thats so freudian.

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 2:18pm
But Palin won't be setting the agenda...the SAME GUY they were NOT fired up about, will.

Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 2:11pm | ignore this person | warn this person

oh sure. but remind the people of mccain's age and health issues at the same time as we put mrs. mooseburger's scary theology/ideology under the spotlight and make people think...

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 2:20pm
I expect McCain to put her in charge of SCOTUS nominations.

Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 2:16pm | ignore this person | warn this person

thanks darin - that should scare the shit out of any non christofascist who knows what she is all about.

still not as scary as "one heartbeat away", but nice nonetheless...

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 2:23pm
This is the United States of America, not "Fahrenheit 451".

Any public servant who would even CONSIDER the banning of books needs to be run out of town on a rail.

Anyone who would equivocate or split hairs in the service of apologizing for such an authoritarian douchebag needs to be firmly in their slipstream.

Posted by drhammer at 09/10/2008 @ 2:27pm
The won't like her for long though. She is truly odd. Look at those kids' names. If she is required to speak extemporaneously, she won't last. Right now, she's new, decent looking and has cool glasses. It will wear thin, and shortly.

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 2:28pm
BTW, everyone is so caught up with her popularity in AK. She just gave them all $3200. When Jesse the Body tried to do that in Minn. he shot up in his polls. She just bought them off. Its weak. Lefties need to settle down and be more constructive. I still think they will end up getting rid of her. I smell weirdness and AK is crawling with reporters, and I think they will expose something very strange.

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 2:33pm
"vote for McCain and hope he loses so that Hillary doesn't win in four years.

Today, Obama is close to a certain loser and I'm enthusiastic about Palin."---------Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 2:32pm

Uh, Darin, what exactly has changed?

McCain will still be President if elected by your vote...and Palin a Vice-President with only one campaign under her belt, a shaky possibly extremist set of positions, and no organization.

Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 2:35pm
In the US, in a vote between a hockey mom and a person who uses the term "christofascist" who do you think would win?

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oh i'm not suggesting he use such a term for one second. i suggest he speak pure reswhitandbluespeak in fdr/truman tradition and say the same without saying "christofascist" even once.

let others go there and insinuate. all he has to do is tell the truth.

over and over and over....

you repugnants know good and damned well the efficacy of staying on script and insinuation...

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 2:36pm
THE REAL JOHN MCCAIN

TEHRAN, Iran -- Iran's Foreign Ministry has condemned remarks by Republican presidential candidate John McCain that exporting cigarettes could be a way of killing Iranians.

The state-owned English language IRAN daily has quoted ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini denouncing the remarks as "inappropriate" and describing McCain's attitude as "regretful."

Last week, McCain was asked about an Associated Press report that the U.S. exported $158 million worth of cigarettes to Iran during the Bush administration in spite of restrictions on U.S. imports.

"Maybe that's a way of killing them," McCain said. He then said that he was joking.

"BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN."

WHY THIS IS NOT A STORY IS BEYOND ME!!! McCain is sooo Presidential.

Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/10/2008 @ 2:36pm
I used to think that People would see through Clinton's lies about Lewinsky. In fact, they knew and didn't care because they liked him. I think people genuinely like Palin.

Deal with it.

Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 2:23pm

Clinton got a "blowjob" something that most people give or get on a regular basis (hopefully). Thats why nobody cared. Palin is an entirely different story. She is a nutcase who has no business being the VP and a heartbeat away from the presidency when Uncle Fester buys the farm.

Lying about getting a spatter of baby batter on someones dress is a farcry from the possibility of this Hitler in a Dress running the country.

Posted by chaoszen at 09/10/2008 @ 2:37pm
darin-Rasmussen has been shown to be the most accurate when it comes to elections and they have Obama up by one point over McCain and winning the electoral college.We have no idea what the GOP has on the Clintons,but we do know that they have been looking for stuff for 7 years and considering Bill's past acts one can figure that they probably have something on them that could have,easily,cost her the election..

Posted by i'm nobody at 09/10/2008 @ 2:38pm
"Vote for Obama and get the shit taxed out of me" Darin, how much money do you make? Go and take an honest look at Obama's site. That statement is patently false. Also, if not taxes, then how can we get the 10 trillion down a couple. We have to, desperately. The sick economy is a result of this. We cannot accomplish a damn thing, including the Global War on Terrorism or whatever they call it today, without getting the debt down. That scares me more than anything else, and Obama at least addresses it in a realistic sense. Havent seen McCain say anything specific except "cut spendin", yeah, and....

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 2:39pm
darin-Few people know enough about Palin to know what they think of her.

Posted by i'm nobody at 09/10/2008 @ 2:41pm
"...sequester yourself from the truth."

Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 2:35pm | ignore this person

That's a good one. "Sequestered" she is.

TIME MAGAZINE

Mayor Palin: A Rough Record Tuesday, Sep. 02, 2008 By NATHAN THORNBURGH / WASILLA, ALASKA

"At some point in those fractious first days, Palin told the department heads they needed her permission to talk to reporters. "She put a gag order on those people, something that you'd expect to find in the big city, not here," says Naegele. "She flew in there like a big-city gal, which she's not. It was a strange time, and [the Frontiersman] came out very harshly against her."

Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor."

Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/10/2008 @ 2:42pm
darin-I live off of your taxes and could use a raise..

Posted by i'm nobody at 09/10/2008 @ 2:44pm
The "pet rock" phase for Palin is coming to a close. Look for her on thrift store shelves & finally in a back room bin labeled "salvage".

Posted by Sorelish at 09/10/2008 @ 2:44pm
Palin has acknowledged she twice raised the issue in 1996 of how books could be removed from the shelves, but said it was only a "rhetorical question" and that she did not ask for any books to be banned.

Palin's church at the time, the Assembly of God, had been pushing for the removal a book called "Pastor I Am Gay" from local bookstores, according to the book's author Pastor Howard Bess, of the Church of the Covenant in nearby Palmer, Alaska.

"And she was one of them," said Bess, "this whole thing of controlling information, censorship, that's part of the scene," said Bess.

Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/10/2008 @ 2:45pm
lets have a good long look at her religion and what it wants to do politically.

ignore mccain. this veep nom can be the best gift the dems could expect if they play it well.

remember the rovian/atwater stuff. its the image, not the substance...its what people believe, not the truth...

the irony is that the dems can play the same game all day long WITHOUT RESORTING TO A SINGLE LIE!!!!

oh sure, you rightwing liars will scream "LIES LIES LIES", but thats what you do.

paint opinion as fact, repeat ad nauseum. in this case, however, the opinion that mrs. mooseburger is the member and enthusiastic supporter of an unamerican and dangerously undemocratic faith is supported by facts...

like her and their actions and WORDS.

book bannin', creation myth teachin', vendetta pursuin', apocalypse fantasizin', genital warts spreadin'!

hoooweee!

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 2:45pm
Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 2:13pm

And Obama was clearly talking about McCain's policies...just as McCain was clearly talking about Hillary's policies....it's just more of the "It's TOTALLY different with us" that you guys have engaged in since Palin was nominated!

"I expect McCain to put her in charge of SCOTUS nominations."----Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 2:16pm

So, as President of the United States, he's going to cede his CONSTITUTIONAL duty...to his Vice-President?

"Best scenario: Palin's as wonderful as I imagine her to be (honestly, that's not possible) and McCain dies in office after a couple years and Palin runs as the incumbent."----Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 2:39pm

So you just wished death for the potential President of the United States?....for political purposes?

Oh, yeah, I'm saving THAT one!

Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 2:46pm
Oh - and forcin' women to have rapists' and incestuous babies!

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 2:46pm
Obama wants to raise payroll taxes on people making more than $250,000.

That would raise my taxes.

Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 2:43pm | ignore this person

WOW! Lucky you. I wish I made enough to get a tax increase. Like Obama is giving a tax increase to himself.

Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/10/2008 @ 2:47pm
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there we go. keep it up.

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 2:50pm
darin-What's been reported is that she discussed the idea of banning books with a librarian,but I don't know enough facts to draw any conclusions about it.

Posted by i'm nobody at 09/10/2008 @ 2:50pm
Darin, your tax increase will not be that brutal and if we don't take care of the debt somehow, the dollar will continue to take a bath. I'm definitely not a moonbat, but right now we need a more constructive approach at the executive level. I think it may serve us all well to go back managing the economy in a Keynsian type of manner. The practices you support, running huge deficits and manipulating the Fed as a monetary policy, will actually cost you alot of money-probably alreday has. Unless you are a gov't contractor, you will not benefit from McCain's ideas. Think it over some.

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 2:51pm
"2. I am a libertarian/republican. I do not support censorship of any kind. I would never, ever support the banning or censoring of any book, movie, or other such material."-----Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/10/2008 @ 2:36pm

But would you put your vote where your mouth is, Larry?

If it was shown, by multiple witness or e-mails or other evidence you couldn't off-handily dismiss as "Democratic operatives"....that Palin attempted to get "perverse" books removed from the library in Wasilla...

would you stil vote for her?

(Yes, going to save your response, of course)

Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 2:51pm
Darin, what do you care if she tried to get books removed from a library....

you want a potential US President to DIE to get her the office!

Book banning is small potatoes!

Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 2:53pm
Who's ready for some jokes about the Mooseburger's tar-tar down's syndrome baby?

Posted by madlib at 09/09/2008 @ 8:01pm

Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 2:51pm

I'm still waiting and "ready" for the jokes peewee.

What's taking so long?

Posted by Benchrest at 09/10/2008 @ 2:54pm
She never tried to ban books. The facts have been out for days, yet The Nation is still "reporting" abject lies. What does that tell you?

Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 2:48pm | ignore this person | warn this person

so she did not inquire about the feasability of banning books then fire the librarian who stood up to her?

really?

so her denomination would not try to ban books, does not want creationism taught in public schools, does not want women who are the victims of rape and incest to get abortions, does not oppose the genital warts vaccine?

really? i think what you in your orwellian christofascist doublespeak refer to as lies is best translated into american english as "ugly truths"...

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 2:54pm
Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 2:52pm

Nooooooooooooo....what you said was-

"Best scenario: Palin's as wonderful as I imagine her to be (honestly, that's not possible) and McCain dies in office after a couple years and Palin runs as the incumbent."

"Best scenario"...."McCain dies in office".

Why is that the "best scenario"?...because it gets you what you want...Palin in the Oval Office.

Ergo, you are HOPING for McCain to die to grant your wish.

Never even mentioned "God".

Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 2:55pm
I'm just saying, If God were to call him, who am I to second guess God? ;-)

Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 2:52pm | ignore this person | warn this person

nice...

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 2:57pm
She never tried to ban books. The facts have been out for days, yet The Nation is still "reporting" abject lies. What does that tell you?

Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 2:48pm

Thats B.S. Yes she did try to ban books by posing the question to the librarian in the first place. Then when the librarian told her she would not allow it, Palin fired her. She was reinstated a short time later due to public outcry and quit 2 years later saying that she could not continue to work for the mayor because it was to difficult. Quit the crap we know what the story is.

Posted by chaoszen at 09/10/2008 @ 2:59pm
Who's ready for some jokes about the Mooseburger's tar-tar down's syndrome baby?

Posted by madlib at 09/09/2008 @ 8:01pm

Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 2:57pm

Still waiting.

There are few things cuter than a girl trying to act tough.

You would be the expert on pussies.

Posted by Benchrest at 09/10/2008 @ 3:01pm
Who's ready for some jokes about the Mooseburger's tar-tar down's syndrome baby?

Posted by madlib at 09/09/2008 @ 8:01pm

Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 2:57pm

Still waiting.

On Howard Stern the other day, they suggested that in about 18 years or so Trig could end up being a wack-packer.

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 3:03pm
cowardly christofascists who wish death and ill on their enemies (those who dare not join their scary borg-like theocracy) do ever invoke and pray for god to do their dirty work for them.

evil whitecloaked cowards who hide hypocritically behind their religion and pray for wickedness.

would be american ayatollahs, inquisitors, witch hunters.

not even the majority of christians would be immune to their roundhead, cromwellian tyranny should they gain power, because their definition of christianity is so narrow, angry, and hateful, they eschew the majority of loving, tolerant christians who work tirelessly every day to make the world better, or just quietely try to do some little good while they live and let live...

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 3:04pm
I think its bizarre that even after her amniocentesis which showed the baby's genetic anomaly, she refused to do the same thing that 99% of women around the world do and get a chemical miscarriage. She's way out there.

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 3:06pm
Don't you find it HILARIOUS that she has a tar-tar down's syndrome baby?

I know I do!

Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 3:03pm

Like shooting fish in a barrel.

And yet another keeper.

You should learn to control your temper.

Posted by Benchrest at 09/10/2008 @ 3:08pm
presbyterians, methodists, episcopals, lutherans?

pfffft! not REAL christians! just heathans lying to themselves!

all but the most bassackward, hate filled, reghressive literalists are just fako christians to the christofascists. all would suffer the same fate as the outright atheist or agnostic or any other of those crazy false religions.

THEIR HATEFUL, VIOLENCE FANTASIZING, CENSORING, A-SCIENTIFIC VERSION OF CHRISTIANITY IS THE ONLY TRUE FAITH AND NOTHING THEY DO TO FORCE IT ON AN UNBELIEVING WORLD IS EVIL...

because of course it aint doing good or not doing evil that gets ya to heaven - its an invisible spiritual contract and statement of belief!!!

no wonder they so facilely juxtapose truth and lies and live such hypocrisy themselve!!!

sarah palin - what does she really want, america?

look at her church...

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 3:13pm
OMG! I looked up Palin on Wiki and this is whats there. No joke.

Sarah Palin From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search BITCH!

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin"

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 3:13pm
That was weird. Its gone now. How'd that happen. Maybe I hallucinated it.

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 3:14pm
It's a "he said she said", who do the cons believe...the guvt, the pol! hehehe.

Ok, lets hear about Palins foreign policy platforms...

Go ahead cons, list 'em out for us...

I assume one of her domestic platforms is Family Values. but, that is off limits because the "liberal media" won't let her showcase her family on stage and in People Magazine.

Posted by crabwalk at 09/10/2008 @ 3:14pm
would you stil vote for her?

(Yes, going to save your response, of course)

Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 2:51pm

Yes. I have yet to vote for a politician that I agreed completely with. I disagree with Fed involvement with education, health, and social security, but I still vote for candidates who overall more closely reflect my views. -----Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/10/2008 @ 3:03pm

So this..." I do not support censorship of any kind. I would never, ever support the banning or censoring of any book, movie, or other such material."

is just talk. As long as they want to wipe out everything but NASA and the Interstate Highway System, you WILL support censorship, banning, etc.?

Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 3:17pm
From http://www.cdadc.com/ds/down-syndrome-risk-factors.html

Mother's age 43 years, Down Syndrome risk factor is 1 pregnancy in 69

They knew they were running the risk. Did God cause the downs or did a irresponsible jesusfreak couple. Who knows...

These folks are odd and America will realize that once they get over how hot she is. Its not gonna work in the long run. They cant hide her long enough.

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 3:19pm
Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 3:13pm

"Temper?"

Si

"lol, I'm LAUGHING"

redundancy?

"Sir"

That's more like it!

"The liberal sensibilities of some of you people (but especially you, cupcake) crack me up constantly!"

Cupcake? You're the girl.

"Getting angry on the internet is just about as useful as having down's syndrome!"

Ah, girl acting tough. No balls to back it up.

Posted by Benchrest at 09/10/2008 @ 3:22pm
The McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS / Palin new con repub continue the dic'tatorship ticket:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b3e_1220738805&p=1

Posted by hsuBfools at 09/10/2008 @ 3:22pm
Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 2:58pm

Darin, all you're doing is CLAIMING that it is "linked" and "judging the crowd's reaction"....

McCain made the EXACT SAME COMMENT about Hillary Clinton's health care plan...and I could put the EXACT SAME "interpretation" that McCain was calling Hillary a "pig" as you're doing.

And NO....YOU are claiming that Obama is as dumb as Bush, by suggesting that in front of HUNDREDS of people and the world-wide MEDIA, he'd make a "obvious" sexist remark like an idiot.

YOU want us to believe Obama is stupid AND sexist...and it makes no sense and has no logic.

Now, you saying that your "best scenario" is for John McCain to die, so that Palin can become President IS easy to understand and requires no creative interpretation.

You WANT McCain to die in office, so that the political fortunes of a woman (it appears) you are rapidly becoming infatuated with, are improved.

No dissecting necessary.

Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 3:22pm
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/10/2008 @ 11:59am

"The one thing that I have discovered since coming out of the mountains is that the left has a wide variety of views,as is obvious even on here,but the modern right all sound like Rush, with few exceptions."

That's because there's a lot more ways to be wrong than there are to be right.

Posted by pontificus at 09/10/2008 @ 3:24pm
the downs syndrome child should be off limits.

sorry, but thats not going to help. just the opposite. besides - there is plenty of stuff to focus on besides.

i understand the anger, but...i think wisdom dictates that remain off limits...

exchange tardo jokes all you want off record, but...consider effects on record...

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 3:24pm
Oh - and forcin' women to have rapists' and incestuous babies!

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 2:46pm

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, Statistical Abstract of the United States:

2006 the average Rate of Forcible Rape across the United States in 2003 was 32 per 100,000 people.

The highest Rate of Forcible Rape in the country is found in Alaska with 93 per 100,000 people. The lowest Rate of Forcible Rape in the country is found in New Jersey with 15 per 100,000 people.

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 3:27pm
Ponti-it's because the modern right isn't capable of independent thought,like the old right, and not because you are right.It is impossible for any one group to be all right about everything,but you guys aren't capable of figuring that out.

Posted by i'm nobody at 09/10/2008 @ 3:28pm
sarah palin - what does she really want, america?

look at her church...

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 3:13pm | ignore this person

I did...it's absolutely TERRIFYING!!!

Who are you to tell anyone what to believe? And who are you to tell anyone who is and who is not a "real Christian"? That sounds just like the Sunni and Shiite over who is more Muslim. Are we going to start having Christian on Christian violence in America? Would that BE America anymore? What re-opening the Catholic Protestant bloodshed in Ireland.

IT'S PEOPLE WHO HATE THAT JESUS WAS MOST AGAINST!!!

PLEASE HELP SAVE THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE BY VOTING FOR OBAMA/BIDEN!!!

Posted by CanWeQuestionPalin? at 09/10/2008 @ 3:28pm
strike mercilessly.

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 1:57pm

"i shall be merciful and quick!"

-- the gorn.

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 3:29pm
McCain is too liberal for many of the cons here.

Palin is pretty much unknown.

but, the cons have done a complete 180, after telling us that THEY are the group that sticks to their guns, they are not wishy washy like "the left".

the cons like to attack the press but the cons cannot produce much of her record so it is up to the press to get this stuff out there so it can be analyzed. It has been weeks since she was announced, what do you guys really know about her?

For the cons to go after internet rumor/sleazy reports is really, really hypocritical. after all they attacked Kerrys record with little evidence and they even went to war based on false information/forgeries and lies. but what can we expect from people who hammered away at Family Values for 16 years, but will not discuss her Family? Or going on for months about "experience" then wallowing in the aura of an inexperienced governor . Or fomenting at the mouth about how Obama is just "words", then they worship this woman for basically one speech that she did not even write.

It comes down to god and guns, doesn't it?

Posted by crabwalk at 09/10/2008 @ 3:30pm
Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 3:27pm

Read Ibble's 3:24pm post peewee.

Try to learn.

Posted by Benchrest at 09/10/2008 @ 3:31pm
It comes down to god and guns, doesn't it?

Posted by crabwalk at 09/10/2008 @ 3:30pm

Actually, race and ethnicity is what its really about. If you dig at the ultra-right for 10 minutes they expose this, i mean in person. I get 'em every time.

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 3:33pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 3:29pm | ignore this person | warn this person

ah the paradox!

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 3:33pm
Says the guy who calls anyone who debates abortion with him, a murder, anyone who debates social programs, a communist, and anyone who debates the credentials of McCain or debates military action, a traitor.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/10/2008 @ 2:10pm

not bad for a half'n'half freak ;+]

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 3:33pm
3. For Frosty-I do not support the Fannie Mae bailout. But Obama and McCain do as do most of the Democrats who were pushing for this action.

by larry.

too late.

plus, if they didn't do it, you'd be eating rocks for dinner next year.

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 3:35pm
The highest Rate of Forcible Rape in the country is found in Alaska with 93 per 100,000 people.----Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 3:27pm

Obviously you are a sexist FROSTY for posting negative statistics about the state that poor Sarah is governor of....shame on you for being a sexist and using fact and statistics and stuff!

Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 3:36pm
NOT ONLY DID YOUR ZEBRA BOY SAY IT....IT IS ON YOUR FUCKING DIM

Posted by libshitbrains at 09/10/2008 @ 3:35pm

Actually, race and ethnicity is what its really about. If you dig at the ultra-right for 10 minutes they expose this, i mean in person. I get 'em every time.

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 3:33pm | ignore this person | warn this person

2 minutes/ a personal record

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 3:38pm
"This IS after all nothing more than the comments section of a blog. And it's not as if I actually THINK these things, it's just so easy and fun to bait the PC-police into telling people what to think, feel, and say."

Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 3:33pm | ignore this person | warn this person

sure, just the comments section of a blog - but you might be suprised who does read this stuff.

oh - and watchout - take it from me - they can and will ban ya...

i love yer fire, but benchrest IS on our side. (he's either kieth olberman or chris matthews...lol)...

just a little frienfly reminder...

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 3:38pm
I expect McCain to put her in charge of SCOTUS nominations. Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @

put down that pipe!

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 3:40pm
libsh-tbrains-This is their house and they let you come into their house and post your views and it is impolite to be invited into someone elses house and then to spew hatred and profanity, something you would know if you had been raised properly.

Posted by i'm nobody at 09/10/2008 @ 3:42pm
BURN IN HELL YOUO ASSHOLES....BURN IN HELL

Posted by libshitbrains at 09/10/2008 @ 3:35pm | ignore this person | warn this person

goddammit! ya put one iteration of the idiot on ignore and here it is again!

welcome back, moron. have a terrible day. eat shit and die. go eff yerself with a splintery broomstic soaked in pepper sauce til you rip your colon!

yeah, i know, MASK...

don't feed the libzthing....

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 3:43pm
By the way, that's not Ibble.

Just thought you should know : )

Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 3:39pm

It's not?

Wow. Something else I don't know.

Who is it then?

Posted by Benchrest at 09/10/2008 @ 3:43pm
Did Uncle Teddy get loaded and molest that guy when he was a kid?

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 3:45pm
genital warts spreadin'!

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 2:45pm

sex with toads?

you libs are pigs.

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 3:45pm
Just thought you should know : )

Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 3:39pm | ignore this person | warn this person

ibble was killed by a mad webmaster and after a couple of months mumbling to himself in bardo, unaware of his nonliving status was reborn, farted out of the bowels of demoncrat hell...as...

so, in a way you are correct...

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 3:49pm
it didn't mean I don't support him on more important issues like taxes, justices, and the war.

Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/10/2008 @ 3:35pm

and look how wonderful those things turned out.

oh, that's right.

you think BEING $10 TRILLION IN DEBT IS WONDERFUL!

HOORAY!

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 3:49pm
Dont fret frosty. Mcsame will cut taxes so we can grow our way outta debt.

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 3:51pm
Cut taxes and spend and spend. Oh, and its the dems fault. Yeah, sure. I love living in 1970's chile.

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 3:53pm
Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 3:41pm

Darin, if Obama "had Palin's joke in mind"...and to the "right-thinkers" such as yourself it was "so obvious that Obama was calling Palin a pig"...

can you POSSIBLY explain why Obama was so stupid as to say that? The man went to Harvard? I mean, you've spent many a year telling us that a Yale graduate "can't be stupid" and "got better grades than Kerry"...

why is it that a man with a law degree (two degrees total) would go out and make an "obvious" sexist remark in public and on camera?

I mean, if "it's so obvious" that's what he was doing?

(BTW, try saying Obama is stupid...that'll REALLY make your daily talking point from Drudge and Rush seem sensible!)

Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 3:46pm

No, but in all my time, I've seen phoney stories come out of the Right, based on half-truths, suppositions, and "What he REALLY meant was...despite what he really said" smears....

because they find it easier than trying to win on....issues.

Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 3:54pm
Oh and honestly, banning....I can sum it up in no other way than "meh".

Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 3:49pm | ignore this person | warn this person

heehee - it is fun to think up a new nickname every once in a while...

i still like to think that mr. O is at the very least the lesser of the two evils...

and does not have a scary christofascist one heartbeat away from power behind him...

seriously - this palin could be a blessing in disguise to the dems if they play it right...

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 3:55pm
Dexter's right. She'll show that she is a psycho any day now. Its inevitable.

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 3:57pm
"meh".

Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 3:49pm | ignore this person | warn this person

the cheat?

http://tinyurl.com/j253

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 3:58pm
Doesn't anyone find it ironic that the Party that wants to institute government control of the airwaves through the Orwellian 'Fairness Doctrine', is complaining about censorship in a library that was never even proposed?

Posted by pontificus at 09/10/2008 @ 4:02pm
Perhaps the story is true, although there seems to be evidence to the contrary from the library records, not to mention a suspect lib desire to screw the woman. There has to be more to all this that I'm SURE Ari is leaving out. He's to partisan not to. In any event, true or not, I would think a younger Palin has probably learned her lesson about things like this by now, considering the uproar.

Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 09/10/2008 @ 4:03pm
"Question that's troubling an awful lot of the Demos is, which ticket is likely to win?"

Not that I am a Democrat, but I would think this is not troubling Democrats at all: McCain's swing in the polls, even in not a temporary bounce, is largely in states he was going to win anyway. Obama virtually has the electoral college wrapped up.

Posted by onthehelm at 09/10/2008 @ 4:05pm
Ponti-Don't forget that the modern GOP just got energized by someone that most never heard of and most still know next to nothing about.That never would have happened to the old right.

Posted by i'm nobody at 09/10/2008 @ 4:05pm
seriously - this palin could be a blessing in disguise to the dems if they play it right...---Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 3:55pm

That's been my point since the beginning...

K.H.T.----Keep Her Talking.

She's a novice at national politics and has run only two campaigns in a small town and a state that she had to play down here social con traits for her libertarian con traits to win...

Keep her talking and eventually the social con stuff will slip out. She'll eventually say something outrageous (not to the Right of course, but to the Middle) and have to walk it back...

but in walking it back, show that she's a fringey AND a phoney (since she'll not be "sticking to her princples").

Keep Palin talking....which is why McCain and the Repubs are keeping her to the single one-on-ones (aka Gibson) and will NEVER let her hold a full-out, no holds barred press conference before November 4th.

Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 4:06pm
That's because there's a lot more ways to be wrong than there are to be right.

Posted by pontificus at 09/10/2008 @ 3:24pm

Expert opinion.

----

Darin, do you know that Obama has used the "lipstick on a pig" slogan perhaps hundreds of time in the last year? Do you know the context in which he said it this time? Was he talking about Palin or McCains policies? Do you know MCcain has used the same phrase while campaigning?

So, tell us about Palins foreign policy, her domestic agenda (other than drilling NOW!!!, views on the federal bailout of Freddy/Fannie and the bank in california. I have been asking the cons for this info for a week now...nothing.

Why is that?

Posted by crabwalk at 09/10/2008 @ 4:08pm
Keep her talking and eventually the social con stuff will slip out. She'll eventually say something outrageous (not to the Right of course, but to the Middle) and have to walk it back...

but in walking it back, show that she's a fringey AND a phoney (since she'll not be "sticking to her princples").

Keep Palin talking....which is why McCain and the Repubs are keeping her to the single one-on-ones (aka Gibson) and will NEVER let her hold a full-out, no holds barred press conference before November 4th.

Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 4:06pm

spot on Mask. And... as the tough Chick Pitbull is evidently afraid of some pansy ass journalism degrees (which she has BTW), she will remain off unstaged events. In the staged events she will attack "the Press" she is afraid of. she will give them no info, then whine and cry about what is out there.

and the cons will eat it up like they have propaganda for the last years.

Posted by crabwalk at 09/10/2008 @ 4:12pm
Posted by pontificus at 09/10/2008 @ 4:02pm

The dems back the fairness doctrine as a result of a corporate monopoly in the AM and FM radio world that pushes propaganda through the likes of Ingraham, Limbaugh, Hannity, and Oreilly. I dont know any libraries that are that one sided. The idea that commercialism will decide what the radio market wants is baloney because of CBS and Clearchannel's control of the radio airwaves. Air america was not on in major cities (DC, where I lived for one) and Al Franken suprisingly sucked on the radio. I guess the point, if I have one, is that you have taken Fairness Doctrine(which i dont particularly like either) and made it the same as banning books. That logic is whats ruining the political disocurse and taking the counrty down the tubes. Thanks buddy.

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 4:13pm
Darin, maybe you can answer yet another question that has gone unanswered...

Why is it that the party that has run under the mantra "Family Values" for 16 years... does not want to discuss their VP candidates family?

why is it that the anti-homosexual crowd will vote for the VP with a lesbian daughter, and the anti-teen sex crowd will vote for the VP with a pregnant teen daughter? Why is the THEORY of Family Values integral to their electioneering, but the REALITY of the candidates families is off limits?

Posted by crabwalk at 09/10/2008 @ 4:16pm
While I would have never voted for McCain I was ready to cast my vote for a third party (or not vote at all for that matter), his pick of a religious fundamentalist immediately swung my vote to Obama.

Good job Johnny!

Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 4:06pm | ignore this person | warn this person

i'll take it.

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 4:17pm
Why, MadLib, what makes her so bad that you'd feel that way. What could she have possibly done (any less than anyone else out there) to raise such wrath in you? I'm really curious.

Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 09/10/2008 @ 4:20pm
Posted by madlib at 09/10/2008 @ 3:59pm | ignore this person | warn this person

as usual - put it in context and how could a rational adult get some kind of palin smear?

only if they are comfortable with lies...

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 4:21pm
Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 09/10/2008 @ 4:03pm |

I'm sure she has .. the proper way to approach this is to fire the librarian first, then install one who will do whatever you tell her rather than what is right, eh?

Posted by leftofcenter at 09/10/2008 @ 4:25pm
NEVER MIND, I found an answer, Check out the Nations own Christopher Hayes on the subject (right here today)

As I suspected, Ari's story is full of shit.

Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 09/10/2008 @ 4:33pm
Posted by crabwalk at 09/10/2008 @ 4:08pm

CRAB, you don't understand...but I'm sure Darin will explain it to us...

all those times, before Palin was picked, when Obama used the term "put lipstick on a pig"?...

he CLAIRVOYENTLY KNEW that McCain was going to pick a woman....and as the raging sexist that he is (and monumental idiot who gives voice to that sexism in public)...

he was actually attacking poor Sarah INTO THE FUTURE!!!!!

See? Despite being a total idiot and a monumental misogynist....Obama KNOWS THE FUTURE!!!!!!

To deny it is to deny reality...as I'm sure Darin will say....HEY! Maybe I'm clairvoyant too!

Gee...hope I never said "lipstick on a pig"...hate for my wife to find out how I somehow "hated Sarah Palin and all women" in the past!!?!?!?!

Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 4:44pm
Odd....I just put the blathering "LibZ" on "ignore" and I lost half the posts .

And I just watched the "pig" thing on YouTube ....what a lot of fricking senseless whiners the GOP are. It was clearly focussed on McCain's policies being rebranded and therefore valid cliche. If the GOP assumes Palin's a pig, that 's their problem.

Posted by leftofcenter at 09/10/2008 @ 4:46pm
Listen, they figured out how to put black guys(with wasp viewpnts) out there successfully(JC Watts, Alan Keyes, etc.) Now they are doing the feminist thing. Why does anyone fall for their gay little ploys?

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 4:53pm
NOT ONLY DID YOUR ZEBRA BOY SAY IT....IT IS ON YOUR FUCKING DIM

Posted by libshitbrains at 09/10/2008 @ 3:35pm

Actually, race and ethnicity is what its really about. If you dig at the ultra-right for 10 minutes they expose this, i mean in person. I get 'em every time.

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 3:33pm | ignore this person | warn this person

2 minutes/ a personal record

A racist standing up for women's rights? When did David Duke join NOW?

Posted by Chongo at 09/10/2008 @ 4:56pm
Obama wants to raise payroll taxes on people making more than $250,000. That would raise my taxes. Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 2:43pm

And you make up the top 10% of the country. The other 90% is getting their taxes cut.

Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/10/2008 @ 5:33pm
I think LVL is right on this one. The American Library Association has a librarian Code of Ethics that includes, "We uphold the principles of intellectual freedom and resist all efforts to censor library resources."

In most circumstances, if I were running a small town's public library, I would construe such questions as an opportunity to go on record, and I wouldn't find them particularly disturbing.

The only reason it comes across as problematic is the set-up that the writer does in this article - and other people are doing elsewhere - that states that censorship was her motivation. That's speculation.

Yet, there is something problematic here. The part I find disturbing comes from the Factcheck.org article. The article claims that the reason she asked for the resignation of all department heads was because she was administrating a "loyalty test". I don't think I want a person that thinks that kind of behavior is appropriate in an office at the highest levels of the federal government.

Posted by srjenkins at 09/10/2008 @ 5:37pm
Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 5:47pm

Maybe people wanna ask "Didn't mommy tell you not to let them boys touch you down there?"

Posted by leftofcenter at 09/10/2008 @ 6:00pm
Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 5:57pm

"Putting lipstick on a pig" is a fairly standard expression. Reason was kind enough to review how it was used in the past by Republicans:

Dick Cheney: "John Kerry is trying every which way to cover up his record of weakness on national defense. But he can't do it. It won't work. As we like to say in Wyoming, you can put all the lipstick you want on that pig, but at the end of the day, it's still a pig."

Fred Thompson: "He dishes corn pone with a master's touch. "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig"; "that dog don't hunt"; Congressional efforts to give amnesty to illegal immigrants are "like selling a horse twice."

Tom Tancredo: "I am disappointed but not surprised that the president has once again chosen to trot out this same old pig, albeit one with a slightly new shade of lipstick."

John McCain: "When asked about Mrs. Clinton his speech, he said her proposal was "eerily" similar to the plan she came up with in 1993, when she headed a health care reorganization effort during her husband's administration. "I think they put some lipstick on a pig," he said, "but it's still a pig."

All totally cribbed from Reason: http://www.reason.com/blog/show/128711.html

Posted by srjenkins at 09/10/2008 @ 6:14pm
Posted by SoHAPPY at 09/10/2008 @ 6:09pm

Most people in management can figure out whether someone is onboard without having to play B.S. games like asking everyone at a certain level for their resignation. Such actions reek of incompetence.

Thought experiment: Name how many times this happened to you in your professional career. In your friends professional careers? How about the city you live in when a new mayor is elected?

It doesn't happen. You know why? Because it's a stupid move - particularly if you don't have other qualified people to perform those functions, as invariably you wouldn't in a small community in Alaska.

Posted by srjenkins at 09/10/2008 @ 6:23pm
Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 6:17pm

The simple fact is the video and the context don't support your assertions that it was aimed at Palin. In your hypothetical example, if McCain would have done the same thing, it would be exactly the same - blown out of proportion for political ends, but not meant as it was spun. Check the video yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPd4yk0x-eg

Posted by srjenkins at 09/10/2008 @ 6:29pm
Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 6:33pm | ignore this person | warn this person

watch the video. hard to connect it to palin.

she neither invented the expression nor even used it, much less has a copyright on the word "lipstick" when used in colorful language.

jeez, darin. you know better...

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 6:44pm
Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 6:33pm

I'm not going to vote for either Obama or McCain. Yet, I do prefer Obama because his ideas are better than McCain. Plus, McCain has made more than his fair share of "bonehead rookie mistakes", and I'm a lot less confident he's learned anything from them.

Posted by srjenkins at 09/10/2008 @ 6:53pm
I'm not going to vote for either Obama or McCain. Yet, I do prefer Obama because his ideas are better than McCain

Posted by srjenkins at 09/10/2008 @ 6:53pm | ignore this person | warn this person

so you dont care who wins?

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 6:56pm
So, either he was calling her a pig or he is too stupid to be President. I don't think the latter is possible (he went to Harvard as mask so helpfully pointed out), so the former must be true.

Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 5:57pm

Or...third option....you guys are trying to pull a "victim card", that you guys USED to say was the sole purview of the Left, on a phoney charge.

And you've become so smitten with this woman and INSANE that you've even WISHED DEATH on McCain to see her succeed to the Presidency.

You're FRANKGRITS with Sarah subbing for HRC...maybe worse!

Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 7:56pm
Do you normally take two second breaks in the middle of a sentance? I didn't think so.

Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 7:58pm | ignore this person | warn this person

gosh gee golly! how can i argue with such impeccable logic????

how could i have thought anything but????

ok, darin, did you hear what he said right before the apparantly copyrighted pig in lipstick thing? what did he say, darin?

so they were all hooting? like apes?

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 8:34pm
Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 7:58pm

ROFLMAO!.....Darin's turning into a RESE Conspiracy nut, explainng the Zapruder film of the JFK assassination!

"At 42.0 seconds, people in the audience start hooting. At 43.0 seconds the hoots get louder.

At 44.0 second he says "it's still a"

and "pig" occurs at 45.0 seconds.

He pauses for two full seconds..."

"Up and to the left.....up and to the left.....up and to the left"---Kevin Costner "JFK"

Too bad in HIS case the President he wants to see die ....is poor ol' John McCain!

LOL

Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 9:48pm
Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 6:56pm

I stated my preference if I had to choose between the two. Luckily, I don't have to choose only between those two. I can do any number of things ranging from not voting to voting third party. In any case, my state has already decided for me, just as the respective parties have chosen my candidates for me. And winner take all means there's no one representing my interests.

Posted by SoHAPPY at 09/10/2008 @ 7:18pm

Only few EVPs get replaced when a new CEO is brought in. Any CEO that tried to ask for the resignation of all of them would find themselves without a job, post haste.

I'll also point out that local government doesn't have "political appointees". The chief of police is typically someone that has the job because s/he knows police work. Or the library director knows how to run a library. Secretary of State is a policy position. Library Director isn't.

Posted by Darin_the_Troll at 09/10/2008 @ 7:58pm

Could he be pausing for dramatic effect, to emphasize the fact McCann is continuing Bush policies - and pretending that someone as establishment as himself is going to bring "change"? Or is that too far out there?

Posted by srjenkins at 09/10/2008 @ 10:22pm
because they find it easier than trying to win on....issues.

Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 3:54pm

that's the whole idea.

if they actually said what they were(n't) going to do,

only weirdos like pastor d.u. would vote for them.

"I promise to run up huge deficits, send thousands off to die in a needless war, and use the constitution to line my parrot cage".

now there's a winning strategy.

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/10/2008 @ 10:37pm
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/10/2008 @ 9:48pm | ignore this person | warn this person

its all about the hooting, man!

notice he did not answer my first question...

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 11:00pm
Posted by srjenkins at 09/10/2008 @ 10:22pm | ignore this person | warn this person

ok...you sure your state is a lockdown? i understand, but just be double triple sure, ok?

Posted by dexter666 at 09/10/2008 @ 11:05pm
McPOWhowmanyMANSIONS is video taped laughing when someone calls Hillary a bitch. He tells a joke about a woman getting raped. He tells a raunchy joke about Hillary, Chelsey and Reno, etc. and where's the new con repub outrage?

Oh, that's right, they'd actually have to have a whole soul for that little switch, really a mere after-image of a soul, 'not' to be able to flick it back and forth on and off-- on command.

No wonder new con repubs love dic'tatorship.

It fits in well with their lie of a life.

Posted by hsuBfools at 09/11/2008 @ 01:19am
if you put lipstick on a cunt,

does that make it a trollop?

Posted by frosty zoom at 09/11/2008 @ 01:50am
The extreme right is fine with censorship as long as it isn't applied to books that reinforce their world view.

Scary stuff...

Posted by SandyFeet at 09/11/2008 @ 03:34am
Darin, I see you have no answers about Palins policy statements. Could it be because there are none?

Posted by crabwalk at 09/11/2008 @ 11:06am
Obama wants to raise payroll taxes on people making more than $250,000. That would raise my taxes. Posted by Darin_the_Troll

inapigs eye he does.

Posted by emile duBois at 09/11/2008 @ 12:57pm
lipstick was invented by Babylonian whores, who advertised their specialty in that manner.

Posted by emile duBois at 09/11/2008 @ 12:59pm
Republican are done for... McCain took a one in a million shot with Palin to shake up the scene and hope the pieces land his way and it won't pay off. Americans aren't that stupid...Then again I didn't think Americans would be stupid enough to elect Bush a second time after it had come out that he lied about WMD, so what do I know...

Posted by danconstan at 09/11/2008 @ 3:14pm
Obama wants to raise payroll taxes on people making more than $250,000. That would raise my taxes. Posted by Darin_the_Troll

inapigs eye he does.

what I meant is that Darin makes a quarter of a mille only in his feverish dreams. that idiot? hahahahahha

Posted by emile duBois at 09/11/2008 @ 3:53pm

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