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RedditLast week, while the media focused almost obsessively on the DNC's spectacle in Denver, the country's most influential conservatives met quietly at a hotel in downtown Minneapolis to get to know Sarah Palin. The assembled were members of the Council for National Policy, an ultra-secretive cabal that networks wealthy right-wing donors together with top conservative operatives to plan long-term movement strategy.
CNP members have included Tony Perkins, James Dobson, Grover Norquist, Tim LaHaye and Paul Weyrich. At a secret 2000 meeting of the CNP, George W. Bush promised to nominate only pro-life judges; in 2004, then-Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist told the group, "The destiny of the nation is on the shoulders of the conservative movement." This year, thanks to Sarah Palin's selection, the movement may have finally aligned itself behind the campaign of John McCain.
Though Dobson and Perkins reportedly attended the recent CNP meeting in Minneapolis, a full roster of guests would be nearly impossible to require. The CNP deliberately operates below the radar, going to excessive lengths to obscure its activities. According to official CNP policy, "The media should not know when or where we meet or who takes part in our programs before or after a meeting." Thus the CNP's Minneapolis gathering was free of reporters.
I learned of the get-together only through an online commentary by one of its attendees, top Dobson/Focus on the Family flack Tom Minnery. (Watch it here) Minnery described the mood as CNP members watched Palin accept her selection as John McCain's Vice Presidential pick. "I was standing in the back of a ballroom filled with largely Republicans who were hoping against hope that something would put excitement back into this campaign," Minnery said. "And I have to tell you, that speech by Alaska Governor Sarah Palin -- people were on their seats applauding, cheering, yelling... That room in Minneapolis watching on the television screen was electrified. I have not seen anything like it in a long time."
Minnery added that his boss, Dobson, has yearned for a conservative female leader like Margaret Thatcher to emerge on the American scene. And while Palin is no Thatcher, "she has not rejected the feminine side of who she is, so for that reason, she will be attractive to conservative voters."
The members of the Council for National Policy are the hidden hand behind McCain's Palin pick. With her selection, the Republican nominee is suddenly -- and unexpectedly -- assured of the support of a movement that once opposed his candidacy with all its might. Case in point: while Dobson once said he could "never" vote for McCain, he issued a statement last week hailing Palin as an "outstanding" choice. If Dobson's enthusiasm for Palin is any indication, he may soon emerge from his bunker in Colorado Springs to endorse McCain, providing the Republican nominee with the backing of the Christian right's single most influential figure.
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FrankNoGrits-You, and Laura Bush, are sexists.You feel that women in politics should be treated differently than the men.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/01/2008 @ 09:19am
Happy-It's quite sad that it takes a VP candidate who is under investigation for abuse of power with a knocked up unmarried teen age daughter to energize you people,but that is the modern GOP.Obama got 7 million in just three hours,but it took McCain three days to raise a similar amount.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/01/2008 @ 09:40am
Did the CNP look into the pregnant teenage daughter...or did she get the "Mary Cheney Pass"?
Posted by Maskdelta at 09/01/2008 @ 09:45am
I noted that the Prince family was involved in this group, and I would not be too surprised if the head of Blackwater might now be on the board. Certainly, they would be represented by family members. It would be interesting to know if they had any connections with defense contractors or multinational corporations. With all this push toward government contracts for private companies, these people may be influencing intelligence agencies and the Defense Department. Is this the source of the Rose or multi hued Revolutions in Eastern Europe and the Middle East? Maybe Putin was right?
Posted by P. J. Casey at 09/01/2008 @ 09:47am
Maybe the CNP needs to be vetted, as their Palin "vetting" was way off base and will ultimately sink the McCain ticket.
You simply can't put a "government reformer" on the ticket who abuses her power in office to pursue petty family vendettas.
Palin is a hypocrite and a lightweight, and pretty soon that will be clear to the vast majority of voters.
Posted by Metteyya at 09/01/2008 @ 09:50am
I have news for Mrs. Stepford. I don't dislike Sarah Palin because she is a women. I just don't like her politics. she just happens to be a far right nut case. This gal is going to be one door down from the nuclear trigger. A small town mayor and a powerless governor? gimme a break. All this so the "ameners" can overturn Roe v Wade. Are you kidding me? Start digging your bomb shelters!
Posted by lachatte at 09/01/2008 @ 10:06am
Posted by 2HAPPY at 09/01/2008 @ 10:17am
HAP,
Are you suggesting that Obama was one of the two Illinois government officials that appealed to the State Department to get Auchi's visa restored?
If not, you are grasping at straws, looking for a way to smear Obama as revenge for McCains stupid pick of a woman who does not respect the limits of government authority and thinks it is OK to use government power to pursue personal family vendettas against ex-husbands.
Posted by Metteyya at 09/01/2008 @ 10:31am
>>>As a result, the official said, Palin will be asked to spend at least 80 per cent of her time raising money between now and the election.<<<
80% of her time OUT-OF-SIGHT (out-of-mind)?
Not a chance, HAP!
Palin will not be able to hide from this. She is a hypocrite of the first order who got up on the stage with John McCain and told America how she is going to come to Washington and reform government.
How can a sitting governor of Alaska who thinks it is OK to use her government position to pursue personal petty family vendettas going to "reform" government?
America doesn't need or want the kind of government reform Palin would deliver, as we already have a number of bozos in government that think it is OK to fire government officials because of their partisan beliefs, and to top this off with people who think its OK to fire people for personal family vendettas is just TOO MUCH OF THE WRONG KIND OF REFORM.
Posted by Metteyya at 09/01/2008 @ 10:41am
Posted by 2HAPPY at 09/01/2008 @ 10:17am
All of it has already been said a million times Happy. You retyping it on here constantly doesn't mean it hasn't already been addressed. Remember Hillary tried to use all of that to sink Obama.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/01/2008 @ 11:32am
If McCain gets out of line (i.e. fails to appoint abortion abolitionists and to continue gutting/defanging the Public Broadcasting Service, Environmental Protection Agency, Food and Drug Administration, and Occupational Safety and Health Agency) I suspect he will suffer a steep decline in health that will leave Mrs. Palin -- someone who we can all easily see is a real red-blooded American) in charge so that we can avert setbacks in the effort to outlaw fetus killing and in our efforts to maximize American's freedom and our domination of global commerce.
In addition to the above... Welcome to the GOP tent, Hillary supporters! Now let's begin the talk about "women's rights" vs killing unborn children. Should this really be an issue, or are supporters of abortion just trying to get us to abandon our humanity and willingness to protect those who cannot protect themselves? It's a valid debate and I challenge you to make a sensible, humane argument.
Posted by arikira at 09/01/2008 @ 11:34am
Posted by 2HAPPY at 09/01/2008 @ 11:31am
Awesome candidate by the way. Doesn't want to teach sex-ed in school but ends up with a knocked up 17 year old kid. Great. I wonder if she knew about condoms? This is just like Dick Cheney disliking homosexuals and therefore ending up with a homosexual daughter. It's almost like someone is sending a message to these people.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/01/2008 @ 11:34am
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Posted by frosty zoom at 09/01/2008 @ 11:41am
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/352178/ultra_secretive_ri ght_wing_group_met_in_minn_to_vet_palin#pid352276
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/01/2008 @ 11:41am
thanks, webdudes!
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/01/2008 @ 11:42am
They gave the divine Sarah P their stamp of approval?
This is yet another cabal we don't have to lose all that much sleep over.
She's a punchline more than a viable candidate.
If McC givs her the Eagleton, no great surprise.
Mitt must be waving his checkbook again as we speak.
Posted by sloper at 09/01/2008 @ 11:43am
Laura Bush warns Dems away from anti-Palin sexism
Posted by frankgrits at 09/01/2008 @ 09:15am
who cares?
she shoots wolves and bears from the sky.
September 25, 2007
Governor Sarah Palin State of Alaska P.O. Box 110001 Juneau, AK 99811-0001
Dear Governor Palin:
As scientists and other wildlife professionals , we urge you to strengthen the application of science-based wildlife management to sound policy decisions, especially for those Alaska programs related to predator control. We are concerned with potential problems of managing and conserving large mammalian carnivores and their ungulate prey resulting from recent approval of predator control programs designed to severely reduce populations of gray wolves, black bears and brown bears. We strongly urge the State of Alaska to gather data necessary to justify, implement, monitor and evaluate these programs so that management practices will ensure sustained populations of both predators and prey.
etc.,
Sincerely,
Vic Van Ballenberghe, Ph.D., Affiliate Professor of Biology and Wildlife, University of Alaska, Fairbanks
Lee M. Talbot, Professor, Dept. of Environmental Science and Policy, George Mason University
Dana J. Morin, Mammalogist, San Diego Natural History Museum
Dr. Monika Havelka, University of Toronto at Mississauga
Florent Rivals, Ph.D., ICREA - IPHES
Bruce D. Patterson, MacArthur Curator of Mammals, Field Museum of Natural History
Robert A. Long, Research Ecologist, Self-employed
Michael S. Barbour, GIS Analyst, Auburn University
Ben Sacks, Asst Professor/Project Ecologist, UC Davis/California State University
Dr. Julie Glenn, University of South Carolina
Richard S. Ostfeld, Ph.D., Senior Scientist, Institute of Ecosystem Studies
Thomas Tomasi, Ph.D., Professor of Biology, Missouri State
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/01/2008 @ 11:45am
Sincerely,
Vic Van Ballenberghe, Ph.D., Affiliate Professor of Biology and Wildlife, University of Alaska, Fairbanks
Lee M. Talbot, Professor, Dept. of Environmental Science and Policy, George Mason University
Dana J. Morin, Mammalogist, San Diego Natural History Museum
Dr. Monika Havelka, University of Toronto at Mississauga
Florent Rivals, Ph.D., ICREA - IPHES
Bruce D. Patterson, MacArthur Curator of Mammals, Field Museum of Natural History
Robert A. Long, Research Ecologist, Self-employed
Michael S. Barbour, GIS Analyst, Auburn University
Ben Sacks, Asst Professor/Project Ecologist, UC Davis/California State University
Dr. Julie Glenn, University of South Carolina
Richard S. Ostfeld, Ph.D., Senior Scientist, Institute of Ecosystem Studies
Thomas Tomasi, Ph.D., Professor of Biology, Missouri State University
Marianne Moore, Ph.D. candidate, Boston University
Sarah Weyandt, Ph.D. candidate, University of Chicago
David Byman, Assistant Professor of Biology, Penn State Worthington Scranton
Mark L. McKnight, Assistant Professor of Biology, Missouri State University
Patrick Leighton, Doctoral Student, McGill University
Barry R. Noon, Professor, Department of Fish, Wildlife, and Conservation Biology, Colorado State University
Carol Rizkalla, Wildlife Biologist, University of Central Florida
Dr. David Koons, Utah State University
Dr. Lisa Muller, Associate Professor, University of Tennessee
Robert H. Schmidt, Certified Wildlife Biologist and Associate Professor, Utah State University
Pamela Coy, Wildlife Biologist, Minnesota Department of Natural Resources
Paul R. Moosman, Jr., Ph.D., Fitchburg State College
Barry Nichols, Biologist
Roland Kays, Curator of Mammals, New York State Museum
Jennifer Griffiths, American Museum of Natural History
Laura
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/01/2008 @ 11:46am
NJ Gates, Science Instructor, Murie Science and Learning Center
Joel H. Reynolds, Ph.D., Regional Refuge Biometrician, U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service, Refuges
Tania M. Lewis, Wildlife Biologist, National Park Service
Matthew W Gray, Biological Technologist, Resurrection Bay Conservation Alliance
Ami Wright, Biologist, Resurrection Bay Conservation Alliance
Rachel Lord, University of Alaska, Fairbanks
Dan Schultz, Professional Wildlife Biologist
Bill Hanson, Biologist
Sheila J Dufford, The Wildlife Society
Abel Bult-Ito. Ph.D., Associate Professor of Biology, University of Alaska, Fairbanks
Bradley J. Bergstrom, Professor, Valdosta State University
Francisco Sanchez, Ph.D. candidate, Mitrani Department of Desert Ecology, Ben-Gurion University of the Negev
David Edmunds, Graduate student, University of Wyoming
Elizabeth Jones, Wildlife graduate student, North Carolina State University
Jennifer Brennan, Graduate student, University of California, Davis
Philip Thompson, Graduate student, California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Abigail Benson, Graduate student, California State University, Fullerton
Ryan W. Norris, M.Sc. candidate, University of Saskatchewan
Ryan W. Norris, Pd.D. candidate, University of Vermont
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/01/2008 @ 11:46am
Hi Mr Happy,
I gotta say I admire your consistency in waving the conservative flag here on the Nation blog. Certainly more interesting for you than preaching to the converted over at the Weekly Standard. Wrong though you mostly are.
Question for you: How's the campaign going to deal with the public record that shows Governor Palin only shut down the Bridge to Nowhere when it became obvious the feds weren't going to pony up the bux.
Her words, which make a liar out of her's and McCain's claim that she stopped the bridge:
'People across the nation struggle with the idea of building a bridge because they've been under these misperceptions about the bridge and the purpose,' said Palin, who described the link as the Ketchikan area's potential for expansion and growth. Palin said Alaska's congressional delegation worked hard to obtain funding for the bridge as part of a package deal and that she 'would not stand in the way of the progress toward that bridge.'" Ketchikan Daily News on August 8, 2006,
'We need to come to the defense of Southeast Alaska when proposals are on the table like the bridge and not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that's so negative,' Palin said.
So she seems very happy to play the Ted Stevens game of suck-as-much-as-you-can-from-the-feds, until the wind blows the other way--then she's a reformer.
She was picked because she is an ideologue and a woman and the boys with the checkbooks think she might appeal to the country and keep the gravy train of taxpayer dollars borrowed from future generations rolling right along. Not Presidential material.
Posted by ohsotired at 09/01/2008 @ 11:47am
the strong lady shoots the savage beast from the sky!
please stop talking about her.
war.
debt.
climate.
food.
water.
science.
peace.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/01/2008 @ 11:50am
All hale mediocrity, all hale the theocratic state I sure wish someone would ask the righteous ones why it is they think they can tell someone else what they can and can not do with their own body
Posted by RHLANGFORD at 09/01/2008 @ 11:52am
RHLANGFORD
the perils of homophones........
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/01/2008 @ 12:12pm
Jomamma-No one has gone to the gutter over the daughter and you guys would be saying the same things if the situation was reversed just as you would be pointing out how ignorant McCain,if he was a democrat, was for picking a running mate who was under investigation and who picked a family values running mate with a knocked up unwed teen age daughter.You partisan people are,as always,raging hypocrites.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/01/2008 @ 12:22pm
Maybe mom thought she ate too many mooseburgers!
...and yes, love the wider columns. Now if we can just get our HTML back!
Posted by leftofcenter at 09/01/2008 @ 12:28pm
well of course the fascist wing (secret by definition) approves of the smiling fascist milf. hell, her daughter's teen pregnancy even helps.
what christofascist right winger does NOT have problems withone of their gaggle of abstinance only educated holy spawn in this awful horrible world of post enlightenment "science" and evil, tolerant, secular humanism???
sure...fantasize about ilicit trists with mrs. mooseburger the smiling fascist milf. i will! but i'll also fantasize about nuremburg style war crimes and hangings for her and all other rightwing traitors' treasonous, criminal, betrayal of our country and the lies that have resulted in such massive waste, death, and disaster.
its my happy place...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/01/2008 @ 12:32pm
It's quite sad that it takes a family values VP choice with a knocked up unwed teen age daughter and a VP choice that is under investigation for abuse of power and ethics violations,and a VP choice who was for the bridge to no where before she was against it to energize the modern GOP.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/01/2008 @ 12:34pm
bless you mr. obama. thou art a better and bigger man than i.
and in that i am a non-repugnant, the idea of electing someone smarter and better than i is no problem whatsoever.
unlike the marching morons of the right or the a-political idiocracy, for whom those too obviously smarter and better than they are a threat to their ignorantly prideful and brittle self imagery.
ah for a few rocket ships to venus!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/01/2008 @ 12:40pm
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/01/2008 @ 12:34pm
You forgot the part about PALIN LIED TO THE PUBLIC BY FAKING HER OWN PREGNANCY TO COVER UP HER DAUGHTER'S PREGNANCY OUT OF WEDLOCK!
Read about it here:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137
Posted by Metteyya at 09/01/2008 @ 12:43pm
Metteyya-From the pictures it does appear to be obvious that this isn't the daughters first pregnancy.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/01/2008 @ 12:45pm
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137
Posted by Metteyya at 09/01/2008 @ 12:43pm | ignore this person | warn this person
hee hee hee hee!
me likey! oh man - this is good...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/01/2008 @ 1:12pm
FrankNoGrits-There is lots of stuff coming out.Do,please,try to keep up.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/01/2008 @ 1:16pm
>>>Metteyya-From the pictures it does appear to be obvious that this isn't the daughters first pregnancy.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/01/2008 @ 12:45pm<<<
Yeah, it appears to be her SECOND PREGNANCY.
I wonder if they are from different fathers? If we are to get a meaningful paternity test of whether Sarah Palin's last child is really Bristol's, then we need to know who is the father of BOTH pregnancies, as the second (current) pregnancy may be from a different guy than the first.
Posted by Metteyya at 09/01/2008 @ 1:17pm
Posted by frankgrits at 09/01/2008 @ 1:21pm | ignore this person | warn this person
captain frank of the dittohead brigade.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/01/2008 @ 1:35pm
Good post Hapster
Posted by frankgrits at 09/01/2008 @ 1:21pm
quick, happy.
run!
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/01/2008 @ 2:55pm
Posted by 2HAPPY at 09/01/2008 @ 11:39am
No I read that all perfectly fine. My point is it has been brought up throughly. You think when the point was brought up that SOMEONE didn't investigate it? Watergate was hidden until someone brought it out. This wasn't hidden. He DIRECTLY addressed it. It is there for investigation. You don't want it because you are looking out for the country, you want to have this election concentrated on non-issues. This HAS been investigated. The reason it is not an issue is because there is nothing to talk about. The press don't print articles saying there is nothing to talk about.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/01/2008 @ 3:12pm
Don't get carried away with how much money the conservatives have said they raised ... the reality is always a bit far from the truth.
So ... Tom Delay placed his hand on Palin and gave his blessings?
The old saying "people in glasses houses shouldn't throw stones." may apply with Palin.
The "trailer trash" affair between her sister and brother-in-law has to be "vetted" out I would suppose.
Now a 17 year old pregnant daughter? Ha. I was wondering during Palin's speech whose baby that was. Now we know why the 17 year old was carrying it ... because she is carrying one of her own. Nice cover up!!
But really, I don't harbor ill feelings towards this little girl, only the hypocracy of people like Palin.
Did the people of Alaska know about this?
I believe that how a Gov., Pres. and/or VP manage their own lives and family's are of interest.
Certainly interesting when that candidate would like to regulate mine by passing laws that impact my life's choices.
I believe that this is just the beginning of more interesting news in the days to come and expect that Palin will pull out before the end of Oct.
The investagation in Alaska is now raising new questions.
Posted by Hoot at 09/01/2008 @ 3:37pm
Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/01/2008 @ 3:24pm
I am an enthusiastic supporter of Barack Obama, but I am NOT part of his campaign staff. My thoughts and words are my own, and I will not allow ANYONE to dictate to me what I should think, what I should feel, or what I should express to others on this board or anywhere else.
If I think Sarah Palin has a character question, then I will express this unfettered.
It is unfortunate that Sarah has decided to make her family an issue in all of this, but she had a choice of whether to send those emails and staff (and husband Todd) to lean on the public safety commissioner to pursue a personal family vendetta. She also had a choice of whether to come clean with the public and admit to her daughter's pregnancy when it "first" came up last year when she took Bristol out of school for 8 months.
Sarah Palin made the wrong choices and decided to make her family a political issue in assessing her own character and fitness for higher office, so it should be no surprise when others make them an issue as well.
Posted by Metteyya at 09/01/2008 @ 3:54pm
mett,
going on and on about this woman is exactly what mr. rove wants.
let it go.
focus on what mr. obama plans to do.
if my opponent tries to kick me in the scrotum i dodge the offending blow and then give him the vulcan nerve pinch.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/01/2008 @ 4:18pm
damn commas.......
preview, please.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/01/2008 @ 4:19pm
nerve pinch.
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/01/2008 @ 5:38pm
McCain's choice of Palin and the "cabal's" vetting of it only serve to hammer home McCain's desperation, the catastrophically delusional nature of the Christian Right, and the utter destruction wrought on the Republican Party in the last eight years as the party collapses into a pile of rubble before our eyes.
Add-in the arrival of a hurricane to throw the GOP Convention into complete chaos and the effect is positively hallucinogenic.
Posted by ncimon at 09/01/2008 @ 9:20pm
This is a call for all Obama supporters to ignore the 72 year old war hawk and his laughably inexperienced side kick from Alaska. Do not give the conservative media what it wants; do not play into the hands of the hardcore right. Sarah Palin is simply put part of a carefully planned political strategy to lure Democrats into saying something stupid or arrogant about a mother who, regardless of what the liberal community might think or say about her, will nonetheless be heavily supported by the Christian evangelical block of the Republican party. This is inescapable fact. Any attempts to tear down this obviously underqualified and potentially reckless choice for Vice Presidential candidate with will do a few things which are counterproductive to our cause: Even giving Sarah Palin the time of day will: 1) Envigorate the right, encouraging more conservative Republicans (who's minds are already made up about Barack Obama and therefore probably won't change about McCain/Palin) to turnout and vote 2) Open the door to negative attacks on Obama, further highlighting Republican talking points 3) Show a disregard for the politics of hope, undercutting our movement for change's mantra of abandoning the political bickering and negative ways of the past And probably most importantly: 4) Interfere with what is her's and McCain's inevitable collapse. The work is already done: America is ready for change and it won't come from the direction of McCain/Palin. Everyone knows this already. And negative attacks against a governor from one of the most sparsely populated states in the Union won't help us achieve our goal, which has been and should always be: To elect Barack Obama the President of the United States because he will make a great President. Let us focus on why.
Posted by tskinner at 09/01/2008 @ 10:18pm
The Palin chapter will make for dizzying reading in the campaign book(s) being written, and not much more than that.
The Palin pathos offers only 1 danger to the Dems, in distracting attention from the real issues, the disastrous effects of 8 years of GOP incompetence & corruption.
But while the national race is over, the real Q is will the Dem majorities in the house & senate be large enough to enable the Dems to govern without GOP blackmail & sabotage?
Distracting from this will eat up much GOP money & time, especially on the networks, for the next 10 weeks.
This has to be countered with reality, dear Nation editors & writers.
Posted by sloper at 09/01/2008 @ 10:23pm
Was Mr. Obama able to save $300,000 on the asking price of his house because Rezko's wife paid full price for the adjoining lot?
Posted by 2HAPPY at 09/01/2008 @ 10:17am | ignore this person | warn this person
Old news, guilt by association, and already debunked by factcheck.org.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/ does_obama_have_a_real_estate_problem.html
(remove the space for the url to work -- incredible, the "upgrade" to the Nation commenting system.)
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/rezko_reality.html
Next red herring, please.
Posted by siegeljd at 09/01/2008 @ 10:39pm
MAYBE OBAMA SHOILD PULL OUT GIVEN HIS FALIMLY TREE, ER, WEEDS!!!!!!!!!!! I agree...lets examine OBAMAS father, his mother as she has sex with a marie4d man, and then the married man has sex and children with what 4 other(or is it 5?) women that we know about?...across the globe? And Obama has siblings all ove the globe, more numerous than horse shit on the road to the barn? Do the Dems and the loons here REALLY want to examine the sexual activity of a 17 year old, blame the results on some perceived character flaw of the mother... and ignore Obamas "heritage"?....Really? Man, you guys are realy rattled....and should be....and you should be ashamed. Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/02/2008 @ 12:25am
Uhhh. Can you not see the difference between a child being responsible for their parents activities rather than a parent being held responsible for their child? If you can't see the difference you truly are lost to partisanship. You are talking about a parent who does not want to tach sex education but has a 17 year old pregnant daughter. Then you are talking about a man who has a loving family but a fathr who was an idiot. As people we don't get to choose or shape our parents. We do shape our children. You need to get your head out of your ass and stop looking at everything through such a partisan lens.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/02/2008 @ 01:04am
I'm somewhat sensitive to the word cabal, especially as applied to religious groups. It seems only fair to treat all groups equally, and so "Christian Cabal" is no more acceptable than "Muslim Cabal" or the infamous "Jewish Cabal." Saner terms such as "secretive group" strike me as less burdened.
Posted by feinfein at 09/02/2008 @ 01:29am
Awesome candidate by the way. Doesn't want to teach sex-ed in school but ends up with a knocked up 17 year old kid. Great. I wonder if she knew about condoms? This is just like Dick Cheney disliking homosexuals and therefore ending up with a homosexual daughter. It's almost like someone is sending a message to these people."
Yes, it is called Karma.....
just like hurricane going to same city on same exact day as katrina reminding american voters of the worst government ineptitude in this country's history......
Posted by jrs112 at 09/02/2008 @ 10:09am
all money raised for mcbush coffers was from oil company CEOs salivating at having VP in white house who just signed bill authorizing thousands of miles of new oil/gas pipelines across her state......now I know why single guys like to go to alaska, there are a lot of loose teens, apparently...if judging by palins.....who does not want any sex education at all in schools....she wants all pregnant teens like her own kids....running around, I guess she is not lesbian then like cheney's daughter who is kept hidden for eight years.....and who also does not want gays and lesbians do have any rights....the heights of hypocrisy knows no bounds........mcbush and pal satan gettin r dun in '08
Posted by jrs112 at 09/02/2008 @ 10:30am
Wrong though you mostly are.
Question for you: How's the campaign going to deal with the public record that shows Governor Palin only shut down the Bridge to Nowhere when it became obvious the feds weren't going to pony up the bux.
I enjoy the yoda like statement idiot though is bush mostly; puppet and trophy is palan...
the answer is the public won't know and even if they did know wouldn't care....same-o same-o
Posted by jrs112 at 09/02/2008 @ 10:33am
"Frosty,
you dangerously close to Reese in your posts recently, and run the same risk..."
Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/02/2008 @ 12:30am
(What a completely laughable ego...)
Posted by drhammer at 09/02/2008 @ 10:36am
before you get arrested by mcbush gestapo stormtroopers, remind minnesotans that they would be fine economically if they got 1/10th of the $50,000,000 of federal pork pal satan got for her tiny alaskan town (pop 6000)from 96 - 02 as mayor, it would seem to run counter current to mcbush's msg...but in gop, reality is whatever they twist it into being.....good luck, america
Posted by jrs112 at 09/02/2008 @ 12:26pm
Folks hero or no hero "You can't fix stupid", Ron white, Comedy Channel. I just wish McCain and Palin would share the stuff they are smoking . My paper "The Bangor Daily News, O.K oxymoron, published a full front page color photo of Laura Bush and Cindy McCain. Now there are two candidates to be type cast for a remake of The Stepford Wives.
Posted by lachatte at 09/02/2008 @ 3:43pm
Laura Bush chimes in warning the Dems, but remained silent when the MSM and Republicans attack Michelle Obama with baseless propaganda! Nice job Laura! My daughters will learn of you as a liar and hypocrite, not just a first lady!
Posted by pmarquie at 09/02/2008 @ 5:58pm
IMHO they think they're more important than they are. But everyone thinks that, don't they?
Posted by chimpunk at 09/02/2008 @ 6:19pm
I will be both surprised and delighted if Sarah Palin is still on the Republican ticket come election day. Other than appealing to Christian fundamentalists, she brings almost nothing positive to the ticket and lots of negatives--more and more each day. It would appear that the standard Republican formula of nominating stuffed suits and then being able to win elections simply by controlling public perceptions may no longer work.
Posted by robgo2 at 09/03/2008 @ 1:43pm
GET REAL, MAX,
If it's so secret a council how do YOU know about it? I'm sure thier Schutz Staffeln-like Security Police would be better than that.
Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 09/03/2008 @ 3:58pm
feinfein posted:
I'm somewhat sensitive to the word cabal, especially as applied to religious groups. It seems only fair to treat all groups equally, and so "Christian Cabal" is no more acceptable than "Muslim Cabal" or the infamous "Jewish Cabal." Saner terms such as "secretive group" strike me as less burdened.
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I think you are oversensitive and misreading the intent of the use of the world 'cabal.' It was clearly meant to refer to a secretive group, and not an entire religion.
Definition of cabal from dictionary.com:
"A small GROUP OF SECRETIVE PLOTTERS, as against a government or person in authority."
Sounds like Max used it in its classic meaning here.
Posted by Nonny at 09/03/2008 @ 6:25pm
John McCain chose Palin because he needed someone good at changing diapers. His!
Posted by cmfc at 09/03/2008 @ 7:26pm
Keep joking. You overestimate the intelligence of the American Voter. Big Lie will win again, because Obama can't roll a strike. This nation's most dangerous enemies are now convened in St. Paul, Minnesota; Sieg Heiling the Geezer and Gidget with a Gun. McGain wins, and the USA will be a large third world dictatorship of the corporations.
Posted by georgepweb at 09/03/2008 @ 11:28pm
PLEASE DO NOT MISS THE OPPORTUNITY to FULLY vet the Council for National Policy. More than your average Christian group. USE YOUR GOOGLE!
On the surface, Evangelical Christians like Tim LaHaye (Left Behind, covets Armageddon), Jerry Falwell (late), Pat Robertson, John Hagee, and the like.
But also Ollie North and architects of Operation Phoenix in Vietnam.
Also Gary North and Rushdoony who consider the US Constitution too liberal, and want Old Testament Law.
Another member and huge financial supporter is Rev Sun Myung Moon (the Moonies). Ironically, Moon argues that *HE* is Great Father and Jesus Christ will bow down at his feet. He says Jesus was a FAILURE. Moon was crowned King of Peace in the US Senate Dirksen Bldg by a host of Republicans. YouTube. Close to Japanese org crime and Korean CIA (KCIA), plus arms mfgs.
How can real Christians get behind this stench? Stealth.
Also tied in is Gen John Singlaub and the World Anti-Communist League, which was formed from the Korean CIA, surviving Japanese fascists and German Nazis, Chinese National fascists, and homespun US fascists. WACL worked with Latin American DEATH SQUADS in the 1980s, El Salvador, Nicaragua, and other places, including Guatemala where Gen. Rios Montt's mottos were to "carry a machine gun and a Bible", and "Kill a Priest a Day".
Where in the Gospels are there death squads and murdering priests and nuns?
Yet despite all this religious insanity, it's a big tent, so there's plenty of room for angry closet homos and meth addicts like Ted Haggard (Bush spirit'l adviser) and pedophiles like Tom Feeney, gays who are "cured" by a few weeks of prayer.
SOMEHOW, this cult considers these men GOOD Christians.
This is EXTREME fascism, beyond Bush, in a dress with a pretty smile.
Posted by dilbert_g at 09/04/2008 @ 11:21pm
I forgot to mention.
The World Anti-Communist League, a part of the CNP, also backed fascist anti-Castro Cuban terrorists in Miami and Latin Am. This includes people who strafed tourist beaches, numerous terror attacks, Orlando Bosch who shot a Spanish ship with a bazooka in a Florida harbor, and Luis Posada who shot a Cuban passenger jet filled with students and the fencing team out of the sky enroute to Venezuela, to tweak Castro. He said they were commie fencers.
By the way, both men were pardoned or protected by Bushes, George and Jeb.
WACL also involved in Operation Gladio bombings in Europe, for 40 years, blamed on the Left.
Terror File Online (or similar site) describes AL-QAEDA as the Middle East wing of the WACL.
This is probably accurate. It's plausible, because WACL was housed in the Heritage Foundation building along with AEI, in the 1980s when Heritage hosted no less than THREE mujahideen radical Islamist groups. And Al-Qaeda was born as an anti-communist terror group, meant to LURE the Soviets into their own quagmire, in Afghanistan.
In summary, a Christian Right, Armageddon-loving, Moonie, gay homophobe, terror group, all about the military and fighting terror, but linked to Al-Qaeda.
But Evangelical Dominionist Christians for the Rapture absolutely love it, because they say the correct WORDS.
Posted by dilbert_g at 09/04/2008 @ 11:37pm