Who's Really Behind Clinton VP Talk

Since the Indiana and North Carolina primaries on May 6, I've been deluged with email from a group called Vote Both, promoting a "dream ticket" of "Obama-Clinton" or "Clinton-Obama" (the former obviously being the more realistic option of the two).

The organization was billed as an effort to "unite" the Democratic Party. In reality, it's more like a pair of Clintonites using the guise of neutrality to further their candidate's cause. The founder of the group, Adam Parkhomenko, worked as an organizer for various Clinton campaign committees from 2003 until 2008. Its communications director, Sam Arora, did press for Clinton's campaign until as recently as March. Both were devotees of departed Clinton loyalist Patti Solis Doyle.

Now Marc Ambinder of The Atlantic reports that Vote Both received the blessing of Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams after launching, and quickly recruited Clinton insiders to boost their visibility. A purely independent undertaking, this was not.

UPDATE: In addition, Lanny Davis, one of Clinton's most pugnacious supporters, joined Vote Both as a senior adviser on Thursday, after launching a separate Clinton veep drive Tuesday night.

It's not surprising that Clintonites would be leading the charge to get Hillary on the ticket. There is little enthusiasm inside Obama's campaign to give the Clintons even second billing. After all, over the course of the campaign she validated right-wing attacks against Obama's patriotism and past associations, questioned his readiness to serve as commander-in-chief, belittled the enthusiasm of his supporters, subtly and not-so-subtly played the race card, and continually pushed the goal posts further and further away from the end-line. Obama may be a stronger candidate as a result of this process, but there's no doubt Clinton's attacks have severely bruised him as well.

Despite dismay inside the Obama camp towards her candidacy (and her non-concession speech last night), don't expect Clinton or her supporters and surrogates (like Vote Both), to exit quietly. As Clinton reminded us last night, "I want the nearly 18 million Americans who voted for me to be respected, to be heard and no longer to be invisible." In other words, put me on the ticket--or else!

Comments (65)

1. Yeah, definitely trying to threaten her way onto the ticket...but I doubt Obama will buy into it.

   She'd be a disaster for him...first, because he'd be dragging HER negatives along into the General.

   Then, if he won, she'd be the first Vice-President in history to spend more time at the podium in the Press Room....THAN THE PRESIDENT.

   Trotting out every week, indicating how "SHE is promoting (sotto voce) the President's plan (end sotto voce) to do.....etc." She's portray herself as "Cheney in a pantsuit" and try to make Obama look like the figurehead.

   Then....there's Bill...back in D.C. and back in the West Wing as "an advisor"!

   Posted by Mask at 06/04/2008 @ 12:09pm

2. Totally agree, Mask. Having her on the ticket will be a death wish. Also how can she be trusted? Ever since the VP talk started, I've heard people on the radio talk about how Obama better watch his back with her as VP ( as in assasination attempt). They hint to the people that have died around both Bill and Hillary while Bill was in office. It's crazy, I know but that's the train of thought for some people now.

   Posted by k330k at 06/04/2008 @ 12:21pm

3. If Obama chooses Hillary for VP he better watch out. She'll have him Vince Fostered.

   Posted by abell12ct at 06/04/2008 @ 12:21pm

4. Posted by abell12ct at 06/4/2008

   Case and point!

   Posted by k330k at 06/04/2008 @ 12:22pm

5. Posted by k330k at 06/4/2008

   Don't need the paranoia of the "Clinton Body Count" idiots....

   POLITICAL wounding is enough.

   Although, I'd say it'd be interesting to see if FRANKGRITS would suddenly develop a change of heart about Obama, with His Dark Goddess a heartbeat away!

   heheh

   Posted by Mask at 06/04/2008 @ 12:26pm

6. Posted by Mask at 06/4/2008

   A part of me says, "Of course he will". The other part thinks he's started campaigning for McCain already while tryign to get Hillary on the ticket. I don't kow what to say about FRANKGRITS. He let this primary season turn his brain inside-out.

   Posted by k330k at 06/04/2008 @ 12:31pm

7. If Obama had poor judgment, he would never have done as well as he has. He is much too wise to choose Billary as vp. Billary can threaten all they wish, their bullying only diminishes them further.

   FAR MORE INTERESTING NOW IS pinning Obama down on his policies, both domestic & foreign. How progressive does he dare to be?

   Posted by sloper at 06/04/2008 @ 12:38pm

8. Posted by Mask at 06/4/2008

   Mask, I don't think that's a threat, it's down right blackmail. I wonder how many aces she and Bill have up their sleeves.

   Posted by ACook at 06/04/2008 @ 12:39pm

9. Although, I'd say it'd be interesting to see if FRANKGRITS would suddenly develop a change of heart about Obama, with His Dark Goddess a heartbeat away!

   heheh

   Posted by Mask at 06/4/2008

   Nah he won't I brought that up.

   She is definately trying to force her way onto the ticket. That is why she did you the whole mail me to tell me what to do thing. She want's hard evidence that she should be on the ticket. That's also why she is pushing the popular vote. I know the Super D's are telling her to back off but she want's the VP slot.

   Frankly if I was Obama I would be a little worried about having her on. If she is fighting THIS hard now to get on the VP ticket I would be wondering why she would so quickly go from fighting tooth and nail to be President to accepting because second on the bill. I don't think assassination or anything of that sort is her intent but she could try to take him down in other ways.

   Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/04/2008 @ 12:46pm

10. Posted by sloper at 06/4/2008

    Slope, 18 to 25 million (an estimate) followers of the Clintons is nothing to sneeze at. Obama may have energized the youth and African-Americans for now, but we both know their responsiveness to vote in the general election is less than stellar. Hillary, on the other hand, knows she has better name recognition (in spite of her bad campaigning) and a much stronger, more realiable voter turnout.

    For him it's a catch-22 - damn if you do and damned if you don't.

    Posted by ACook at 06/04/2008 @ 12:47pm

11. Mask, I don't think that's a threat, it's down right blackmail. I wonder how many aces she and Bill have up their sleeves.

    Posted by ACook at 06/4/200

    I don't think it takes any aces. I think if she keeps fighting a down in the dirt campaign as she has been using the dirty tactics to hit him she will damage him enough. It's one thing for a candidate to fight one person of the opposite party but when it is a double with one woman scorned which fury hell hath no and one Republican who has Karl Rove on his side, you will not come out well. I am surprised he has managed to do this well frankly and it is something people overlook. that the man has managed to put up a fight against both Republicans and Democrat at the same time.

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/04/2008 @ 12:50pm

12. I wonder how many aces she and Bill have up their sleeves.

    having cards up your sleeve is likely to get you killed in poker.

    Posted by emile duBois at 06/04/2008 @ 1:07pm

13. those 18 million Hillary voters are going to vote for McSame?

    hahahahahaha

    Barry needs a VP who brings voters he doesn't already have.

    Posted by emile duBois at 06/04/2008 @ 1:10pm

14. >>>As Clinton reminded us last night, "I want the nearly 18 million Americans who voted for me to be respected, to be heard and no longer to be invisible." In other words, put me on the ticket--or else!<<<

    Or else?

    If Clinton continues to push this lawyer-like adversarial bargaining position she could end up with less power in the Senate, as Democratic leaders yank her committee assignments for not being a team player.

    She would be bad for the ticket because of the divisive type of campaign she ran against Barack. You can't have someone on the ticket that questions Obama's readiness to be Commander-in-Chief when we know McCain is going to parrot this attack. Just imagine the debate talking point, "Barack, even you vice-presidential candidate doesn't think you're ready to be Commander-in-Chief, so why should America?".

    With Clinton on the ticket, all of the Clinton baggage from their Whitehouse days and Bill's "disgracing the Whitehouse" becomes an issue again rather than the message of change Obama needs to focus on.

    And finally, the Republicans WANT Hillary on the ticket, which begs the question of why? They certainly had prepared to run against Hillary, and I think they want to use all of that ammunition they have gathered by having her on the ticket with Obama.

    Like Rev. Wright, Obama cannot afford the distraction that Hillary and Bill would represent, and if they need a female on the ticket to energize Hillary's base, then there are several other talented female candidates that share Barack's political philosophy like Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas.

    Posted by Metteyya at 06/04/2008 @ 1:35pm

15. Why would the Billary Buzzards bizarrely be hanging around:

    http://tinyurl.com/67ux3m

    http://www.new-visions.com/psychic-predictions.html

    Posted by hsuBfools at 06/04/2008 @ 1:36pm

16. If Obama puts Clinton on the ticket I'm voting for Nader.

    Posted by KSP556 at 06/04/2008 @ 1:42pm

17. I wonder how many aces she and Bill have up their sleeves.----Posted by ACook at 06/4/2008

    Nawww...if they had aces, they'd have played them weeks ago, to win her the nomination.

    k33ok, CCC....yeah, at this point, I think FRANK is committed...and SHOULD be committed.

    In the very unlikelihood that Obama did make her Veep...he'd come back and say something like "Okay since Obama is willing to make Hillary his 'chief advisor' and she will influence the direction of the country....I guess I could vote for her and ...your BOY!" and act like the past six months never existed.

    He's that insipid and dopey.

    Posted by Mask at 06/04/2008 @ 1:48pm

18. Hsub, any new theories from your "blog sources" on how Gore decides to once again play second fiddle, and becomes Obama's running mate?

    heheh

    Posted by Mask at 06/04/2008 @ 1:49pm

19. <i>It's one thing for a candidate to fight one person of the opposite party but when it is a double with one woman scorned which fury hell hath no and one Republican who has Karl Rove on his side, you will not come out well

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/4/2008</i>

    Nice Jack Sparrow reference right there :D

    And yeah, this is where it gets ugly. It seems clear that Clinton's trying to force herself onto the ticket, and it looks like Obama's in quite an ugly position. I have to say that I don't envy him this choice.

    Posted by Thrawn at 06/04/2008 @ 1:53pm

20. Posted by Metteyya at 06/4/2008

    METT, Obama may not have a choice. Some of the possible names thrown around for veep so far, hasn't gotten much traction and you know it took Obama nearly a year on the campaign trail for folks to get used to him. Now, he's got 5 months to get his grits together, plus that's not enough time to expose a virtual unknown as his veep. I don't think he can afford to take the risk.

    Posted by ACook at 06/04/2008 @ 1:56pm

21. Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/4/2008

    Well, I'm not surprised. And it won't get any easier for him in the months to follow, I'm sure. My thoughts are, if he couldn't take down a weak opponent like Hillary, I can only imagine how he will fair with a stronger and more seasoned opponent like McCain.

    I know you guys love the "underdog" scenario, but in the end they wind up getting their butts kicked more often than not.

    Posted by ACook at 06/04/2008 @ 2:12pm

22. I can only imagine how he will fair with a stronger and more seasoned opponent like McCain.

    hahahahahaha.

    see McSame's speech? he's a tomato can. Obama is Joe Louis

    Posted by emile duBois at 06/04/2008 @ 2:17pm

23. My advice to Obama: promise Hillary the job of Secretary of State. She's still in the line of succession, but she and hubby can be sent overseas often to keep them out of the way. Who knows, there could be sniper fire!

    Posted by EEU at 06/04/2008 @ 2:18pm

24. >>>Now, he's got 5 months to get his grits together, plus that's not enough time to expose a virtual unknown as his veep. I don't think he can afford to take the risk.

    Posted by ACook at 06/4/2008 <<<

    Nearly ALL candidates are virtual unknowns on a national scale unless you pick a candidate who has run for national office before. This is true for Republicans and Democrats.

    It is a MORE IMPORTANT consideration to pick a VP candidate that (1) will not hurt you, (2) could potentially help you win a state or with a key demographic, and (3) shares your political philosophy.

    Hillary only satisfies the (2) criterion, but fails miserably on the other two.

    Kathleen Sebelius satisfies ALL THREE!

    Posted by Metteyya at 06/04/2008 @ 2:22pm

25. Posted by LibsWarnedU at 06/4/2008

    Half normal and half rhetoric. Much better than diatribe.

    Posted by Benchrest at 06/04/2008 @ 2:25pm

26. Well, I'm not surprised. And it won't get any easier for him in the months to follow, I'm sure. My thoughts are, if he couldn't take down a weak opponent like Hillary, I can only imagine how he will fair with a stronger and more seasoned opponent like McCain.

    I know you guys love the "underdog" scenario, but in the end they wind up getting their butts kicked more often than not.

    Posted by ACook at 06/4/2008

    Well I mean he did take down Hillary. And he was the underdog. The Clintons aren't a weak opponent. They are actually a much stronger opponent than McCain I think proven by the fact that McCain got taken down by Bush very early in the Republican primaries. Clintons have been playing the dirty politics game for a long time and an insatiable lust for power. The Clintons came into this campaign with inevitability, money and name recognition. Many people thought/think Bill was a great President and were willing to vote for Hillary because of that. Obama came from being an entirely unknown candidate with less money, fighting a candidate who was going to win no matter what. I think it is admirable that his shrewd judgement and the incredible organization of his campaign managed to take an unknown first term Senator and make him a winner when his opponent is a seasoned politician with the backing of an Ex-President.

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/04/2008 @ 2:26pm

27. Obama has a choice... and it is probably an easy one for him to make. Apeasement is not an option. Being bullied by the 'old politics' of 'trust squandering' is the modus operandi of a bygone era. If he is to stick close to the shores of effectual methods for actual change in Washington... choosing Hillary for anything more than a cabinet position is unlikely at best.

    I have this unshakable notion that Hillary is somewhere, somehow part of the problem in Washington... and this same notion is confirmed rather than denied by her campaign tactics.

    In a word?

    Sleazy.

    From the depths of this sleaze

    Came the Bush's reprise

    So I'm asking you please

    To resist her...

    Posted by ttr at 06/04/2008 @ 2:29pm

28. Nice Jack Sparrow reference right there :D

    Posted by Thrawn at 06/4/2008

    Yeah World's End was on HBO last night. I thought it was appropriate.

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/04/2008 @ 2:29pm

29. Maybe Obama should consider a more prudent choice of running mates, like a crate of live rattlesnakes.

    Posted by s-staff at 06/04/2008 @ 2:33pm

30. Maybe Obama should consider a more prudent choice of running mates, like a crate of live rattlesnakes.

    Posted by s-staff at 06/4/2008

    Haha, he could play with them on stage. Do what those crazy Christian snake people do.

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/04/2008 @ 2:38pm

31. Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/4/2008

    C3, the only reason Obama got this far is because Hillary stumbled.

    I still say Hillary is weak because she couldn't win the dem nod without her husband. Like Obama, she has trouble winning on her own. To me that is a very serious weakness.

    Lastly, I think one of the main reasons Bush was able to take down a seasoned vet like McCain early on is because the former governor was able to raise a sizeable war chest before the start of the 2000 presidential campaign (Obama war chest didn't grow until after Iowa), name recognition, and a very solid team.

    Posted by ACook at 06/04/2008 @ 2:43pm

32. My call is Jim Webb or Joe Biden.

    Posted by Hman23 at 06/04/2008 @ 2:48pm

33. Posted by Hman23 at 06/4/2008

    Only problem I see with Webb is...

    the obvious GOP/McCain tagline that "McCain had more experience in the Senate in the 1990s, than Senators Obama and Webb have served so far this whole century!"

    (Dodgy, but accurate)

    Posted by Mask at 06/04/2008 @ 3:05pm

34. I'm sticking with my "corrupt insiders win the day" prediction, BUT . . .

    If the forces of Good & Justice prevail & Obama in fact wins the floor vote in Aug. one thing is for certain:

    For the first time in America a genuine liberal candidate for president will be in a position potentially to win an election.

    Try this on again: If Obama goes on to win in November, we will for the first time in US history have elected an authentic liberal as chief executive, most likely with a powerful majority in congress to support him.

    If that happens, I will revive my faith in the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and all of the fond ideals and beliefs of my youth. Anything, indeed, can happen in America. Even Truth, Justice, Goodness, and Reason.

    Who'd of thunk that? Papa Reagan must be spinning in his grave. Goody.

    Posted by goyadad at 06/04/2008 @ 3:09pm

35. Posted by goyadad at 06/4/2008

    Uhhmmmm.....I wouldn't bet on that.

    Yes, of course, Obama will be better and MUCH better than McSame for 4-8 years, but...

    need I remind you of 1993 and what happened when Brother Bill and Her De-Crowedness attempted universal health care, gay integration in the military, and appointments like Lani Guinier?

    Obama's smart...and smart enough to play it down the Middle...for 2010 and 2012.

    Posted by Mask at 06/04/2008 @ 3:12pm

36. Posted by Mask at 06/4/2008

    It's all anybody's guess at this point. I think he needs to pick someone with some foreign policy clout, which will be the biggest lingering concern against McCain.

    And in the end, does the VP pick really matter?

    Posted by Hman23 at 06/04/2008 @ 3:14pm

37. >>>Only problem I see with Webb is...

    the obvious GOP/McCain tagline that "McCain had more experience in the Senate in the 1990s, than Senators Obama and Webb have served so far this whole century!"

    (Dodgy, but accurate)

    Posted by Mask at 06/4/2008 <<<

    But as we saw with Clinton, experience in Washington is NOT a plus, as most voters are looking for change from politics-as-usual in Washington.

    Like Hillary, McCain is very much a part of Washington culture and is part of the problem, not the solution.

    For all of McCain's overtures on campaign finance reform, he has essentially received a pass thus far for being part of the Keating 5, which was one of the worst examples of insider/special interests corrupt politics in US history!

    Posted by Metteyya at 06/04/2008 @ 3:14pm

38. But as we saw with Clinton, experience in Washington is NOT a plus, as most voters are looking for change from politics-as-usual in Washington.

    Posted by Metteyya at 06/4/2008

    It was far from a landslide, so I think your conclusion about what MOST voters want is slightly off-base. Change? Yes. But, experience is not the liability you seem to imply. Sebelius would not add anything to the ticket. McCain is going to beat down hard about Obama's foreign policy experience - so how does adding the governor from Kanasas help?

    Posted by Hman23 at 06/04/2008 @ 3:21pm

39. Posted by LibsWarnedU at 06/4/2008

    Oh yeah. Just what I thought. You got some serious talent.

    Posted by Benchrest at 06/04/2008 @ 3:49pm

40. And in the end, does the VP pick really matter?----Posted by Hman23 at 06/4/2008

    A little bit, but not much unless he makes an "Eagleton" mistake.

    I'm back to my ol' fave...Bill Richardson. A UN Ambassador (that McCain confirmed) and he can speak on "energy independence" forcifully which will be a key issue.

    And of course (as CONSHAME noted) the Latino vote.

    Posted by Mask at 06/04/2008 @ 4:10pm

41. The old theory goes: Billary presses Barack for an all or nothing and the either/or will weaken him even more substantially as she holds out for a credentials committee kick back. By the convention, neither Billary, with teeth firmly locked on Barack 's neck, nor the lowering popular Barack ala attachment, no longer is all that appealing. Neither get 1st ballot. 2nd ballot intro Al, 3rd Al gets it...

    Posted by hsuBfools at 06/04/2008 @ 4:22pm

42. Posted by Mask at 06/4/2008

    As you know, I have always liked Richardson.

    There is always a lot of talk about adding demographics, helping swing a state, etc., but in the end, I think the selection has more importance to highlighting the judgment at the top of the ticket. As long as Obama doesn't chose someone that makes people say "WTF?!?" it'll be ok. I think it would make it seem less like amateur hour (which to some people it does) if he picks someone with solid foreign policy or executive level credentials.

    It's why I think picking Rendell, Sibelius, or some other lesser-known governor is not smart move in this instance.

    Posted by Hman23 at 06/04/2008 @ 4:56pm

43. >>>McCain is going to beat down hard about Obama's foreign policy experience - so how does adding the governor from Kanasas help?

    Posted by Hman23 at 06/4/2008 <<<

    With $4 gas, tight credit markets, lack of affordable healthcare, and new inflation concerns, how is McCain's effort to try to change the subject to foreign policy going to be effective?

    Does Wesley Clark even know how to balance a budget or get the economy moving again?

    "It's the economy, stupid" will take on new meaning in November as voters are reminded of McCain's admission that the economy is not his strong suit.

    Obama, on the other hand, can go toe-to-toe with McCain on foreign policy by pointing out McCain's FAILED foreign policy experience, as experience means squat if what you pursued with such experience is an utter failure and waste of our taxdollars.

    Posted by Metteyya at 06/04/2008 @ 5:09pm

44. Posted by Metteyya at 06/4/2008

    Just a difference of opinion, I guess. You raise some good points, and very well could be correct by advocating for someone on the domestic front.

    In the end, I think Obama could pick Will Ferrell and still beat McCain.

    Posted by Hman23 at 06/04/2008 @ 5:30pm

45. Hman23-Hey, Will might not actually be a bad choice, consider... "Shake and bake! If you ain't first, you're last!" "From now on, it's Magic Man and El Diablo." Cal Naughton, Jr: "What does El Diablo mean?" "It's like Spanish for like a fighting chicken." "I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal."

    Posted by meathelmet at 06/04/2008 @ 6:13pm

46. Hman23-Hey, Will might not actually be a bad choice, consider... "Shake and bake! If you ain't first, you're last!" "From now on, it's Magic Man and El Diablo." Cal Naughton, Jr: "What does El Diablo mean?" "It's like Spanish for like a fighting chicken." "I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal."

    Posted by meathelmet at 06/04/2008 @ 6:14pm

47. oops

    Posted by meathelmet at 06/04/2008 @ 6:15pm

48. In the end, I think Obama could pick Will Ferrell and still beat McCain.

    Posted by Hman23 at 06/4/2008

    Obama/Mustafa! WICKED!

    Posted by Benchrest at 06/04/2008 @ 6:22pm

49. Posted by meathelmet at 06/4/2008

    "CANNONBALLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!"

    Posted by Hman23 at 06/04/2008 @ 6:24pm

50. In the end, I think Obama could pick Will Ferrell and still beat McCain.

    Posted by Hman23 at 06/4/2008

    Obama/Mustafa! WICKED!

    Posted by Benchrest at 06/4/2008

    If he is going to pick ANYONE it needs to be Christopher Walken.

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/04/2008 @ 6:58pm

51. In the end, I think Obama could pick Will Ferrell and still beat McCain.----Posted by Hman23 at 06/4/2008 |

    Noooooo...then McCain just picks Sean Connery...

    "So? Trebek? We meet again. I did yer mother last night, Trebek!"

    Posted by Mask at 06/04/2008 @ 7:39pm

52. If he is going to pick ANYONE it needs to be Christopher Walken.

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/4/2008

    Obama / Hickey

    Oh yeah, I can see that. That's good.

    Last Man Standing

    Posted by Benchrest at 06/04/2008 @ 8:01pm

53. Obama / Hickey

    Oh yeah, I can see that. That's good.

    Last Man Standing

    Posted by Benchrest at 06/4/200

    Or he could pick Morgan Freeman. I could listen to that man talk all day.

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 06/04/2008 @ 8:32pm

54. Alex Trebek: Mr. Connery, go ahead.

    Sean Connery: The day is mine! I'll take Famous Titties for 400.

    Alex Trebek: Titles, Famous Titles.

    Sean Connery: Damn!

    Alex Trebek: And the answer is: This movie title is taken from the name of the book "Gone With The Wind." Mr. Sean Connery.

    Sean Connery: Dolly Parton!

    Alex Trebek: Titles, Mr. Connery. Not titties.

    Sean Connery: Not a fan of the ladies, are you Trebek?

    Alex Trebek: I really thought that was going to work.

    Sean Connery: Well, you were wrong, you mountebank. I pose a conundrum to ya, I riddle if you will

    Alex Trebek: I don't want to hear it.

    Sean Connery: What's the difference between you and a mallard with a cold? One's a sick duck and I can't remember how it ends, but your mother's a whore.

    Posted by Benchrest at 06/04/2008 @ 9:53pm

55. Let's not lose sight, it's the nasty mix of mega media (aka the corporate-military-multinational-industrial complex) and the TV-vulnerable, the fear/flag velcro, "working class whites", that is the nemesis of reason and progress, and all Obama would hope to accomplish.

    Same mix = swiftboaters phenomena.

    Hillary has been PORTRAYED as the tough underdog working class hardass SUCCESSFULLY (remember Kentucky, W. Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio!!)

    BECAUSE corp media wants to hand the Repubs the most hated Democratic candidate

    That's all been changing as her coronation has eroded and is now officially over.

    But to lose sight of this is to risk everything.

    Think about this. About the synergistic media-Hillary-redneck phenomenom. Please look around you, and think about this.

    I say WEBB WEBB WEBB is our best annedote for the poison that'll soon be spewing more than ever.

    Posted by winyahn at 06/04/2008 @ 10:09pm

56. Webb would be a very good pick.

    Posted by Hman23 at 06/04/2008 @ 10:19pm

57. Webb would be a very good pick.

    Posted by Hman23

    seems a little grumpy.

    i like the lady from kansas. she's got a neocon squishing flying house.

    or that mexicanish fellow.

    nice beard.

    Posted by frosty zoom at 06/04/2008 @ 10:37pm

58. Has to be white working classesque, military male, all 'merican looking, sounding, with Hillaryesque bulldog demeanor, tough tough fighter fighter. Webb's whole Iraq /BushCain mistreat vets heat is pitch perfect.

    From CBS: Even more boldly than Obama, Webb spoke out against invading Iraq -- in fact, he began arguing against it in the late 1980s, when the neocons were first...

    From Center For American Progress: James Webb (R-VA) would extend education benefits similar to those provided to the veterans of World War II to veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Posted by winyahn at 06/04/2008 @ 10:38pm

59. Frosty, many dream picks risk sad near-win in Nov.

    Posted by winyahn at 06/04/2008 @ 10:44pm

60. yeah maybe.

    gotta be BUILTFORDTUFFISH.

    able to push red buttons and stuff.

    rat-ta-ta-ta-tat!

    Posted by frosty zoom at 06/04/2008 @ 10:48pm

61. Hillary may make a superficially pleasant endorsement of Obama on Saturday, but her true intention to sabotage his general election campaign has long been clear. Placing her in the VP slot would be the ultimate act of stupidity, and I do not believe that Obama will do it. The best we can hope for is that she retreats to the DLC corner of the Democratic Party and remains silent and invisible for the duration of the campaign. Her supporters will simply have to decide whether to nurse their bitterness and help bring about the election of John McCain or act like grown-ups and do what is right for the country.

    Posted by robgo2 at 06/05/2008 @ 11:21am

62. "The best we can hope for is that she retreats to the DLC corner of the Democratic Party and remains silent and invisible for the duration of the campaign."

    Quite.

    Billary have already endorsed McCain as being more patriotic etc than Obama. In doing so, they signaled clearly they cannot be trusted. They've done little since then to convince otherwise.

    Posted by sloper at 06/05/2008 @ 11:31am

63. Hillary's message was the same as McSame's. "the other guy is no good"

    the old old soldier will suffer the same fate as Hillary. an also ran.

    that said, I think Hillary will recover.

    hint, try to be the best senator you can be, and tell your supporters to swallow their pride and support Obama.

    Posted by emile duBois at 06/05/2008 @ 11:57am

64. I'm not a bit surprised that all the chatter about Hillary for VP is originating in the Clinton camp or that is being greedily devoured by the press. Therefore, I think it might be helpful for Obama to announce his choice for running mate relatively soon, so as to hasten Clinton's exit from the stage. Once the focus of attention shifts from her to McCain, the campaign should be able to make great progress. Of course, Hillary's carefully planted time bombs will continue to explode between now and November. Her not so tacit endorsement of McCain over Obama was not a casual or off-hand remark. Rather, it was a deliberate attempt to undermine the progressive wing of the Democratic Party, which is now on the verge of overtaking the corporate wing, which the Clintons represent. With opportunists like them, personal ambition always takes precedence over party and country, although in their own minds, there is no true separation.

    Posted by robgo2 at 06/05/2008 @ 12:34pm

65. Obama's smart...and smart enough to play it down the Middle...for 2010 and 2012.

    <Posted by Mask at 06/4/2008>

    And need I remind YOU that the "middle" is where you find yellow lines, dead armadillos, and DLC trianglators (who can tell if they're alive or dead? who cares?)

    If this election means anything, if it is "history" BHO is going to have to live up to the values he's run on. Which I, for one, think he will.

    Posted by goyadad at 06/05/2008 @ 7:13pm