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RedditJohn McCain ditched his disabled first wife after Vietnam and married a rich beer heiress twenty years his junior.
Bill and Hillary Clinton made $109 million over the last eight years and sold the Lincoln Bedroom to the highest bidder when in the White House.
And now both McCain and Clinton are deriding Barack Obama as "elitist."
Give me a break. When Clinton was on the board of Wal-Mart and McCain was getting reprimanded for his role in the Keating 5 scandal, Barack Obama was a civil rights lawyer in Chicago. You tell me which experience better prepares one to understand the struggles of working people.
What Obama said about the bitterness of those in small-town America, stymied by job loss and economic stagnation, was hardly scandalous. It's only a "scandal" because McCain, trying his best to ignore an economic recession, and Clinton, looking for any opportunity to jolt a campaign on life support, said it was--and the media dutifully bought the spin.
As the Obama-Clinton race turned to Pennsylvania, the press has endlessly repeated the false dichotomy of Clinton as the blue-collar woman of the people and Obama as the aloof, Harvard-educated, gutter-bowling latte liberal.
Republicans have been painting Democratic candidates as elitist since the beginning of time, and they'll try to do the same thing to whomever emerges as the Democratic candidate this year, whether it's Obama or Clinton.
The new conventional wisdom inside the Democratic Party holds that a long campaign is a good thing; that every state deserves to be heard and that the excitement of the Obama-Clinton race is bringing new voters into the process and strengthening the party from the bottom-up.
There's a lot of truth to this new consensus, but it rests on the combustible caveat that either Obama or Clinton (particularly the latter, given her recent "kitchen sink" strategy and virtually insurmountable deficit in delegates, the popular vote and recent superdelegate endorsements), won't tear the other one apart.
For the last few weeks, the campaigning in places like Pennsylvania and Indiana has been refreshingly above board, focused on how to pull the country out of its economic downturn. No longer. The New York Times accurately noted this morning how Clinton had "activated her entire campaign apparatus to portray Mr. Obama's remarks as reflective of an elitist view of faith and community."
The kitchen sink overfloweth yet again.
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Dear NATION:
God I wish I had your sense of verbiage. Well said and thanks.
Posted by julien38 at 04/13/2008 @ 12:42pm
Don't blame her a bit.
She's seen her Pennsylvania numbers slip from a 20 point lead to a 5 or less in less than a month. Not much real danger of her losing PA, but with proportionality Obama still leads even if he loses by 5-7%....and Indiana isn't looking good and North Carolina looking BAD for "Queen Jadis".
I still suspect she's just hoping to hurt Obama, without APPEARING as if she's hurting him, so as to weaken him in the Fall against McCain.
Then, McCain wins and she gets her one last shot in 2012 against a very un-popular Republican who's inherited the Bush Mess and pissed off the Conservative Base.
Posted by Mask at 04/13/2008 @ 12:52pm
Nice try Berman but your guy is now on record despite his attemts to worm his way out of his own words
And Obama's statement was fundamentally correct. Facing long-term economic stress, working people cling to the cultural issues as a source of continuity. Further, your typical rant doesn't refute Berman's fundamental point that Clinton is in no position to throw around the term elitist.
Mask had it right, she has little chance of winning the nomination and his prepared to engage in a series of cheap shots as a last throw.
Posted by brunowe at 04/13/2008 @ 1:42pm
Billary, McCain, and Obama are all elites and elitists to one extent or another. The problem for the Mighty O is that 1. He is much dumber because he publicly voiced his true disdain for working class rural whites; and 2. Specifically, he insulted people of faith by lumping them in with xenophobes and gun nuts as well as seeming to dismiss religion per se, even though he claims to be a Christian of some sort; and 3. He sounded mighty condescending. There's more to critique, but those are significant points in my view.
Posted by feinfein at 04/13/2008 @ 2:00pm
Excellent article! My sentiments exactly.
I have one tiny little objection, though. In the 7th paragraph you write, "...they'll try to do the same thing to whomever emerges as the Democratic candidate this year..."
The correct pronoun here is "whoever," because it is the subject of the verb "emerges." The clause "whoever emerges as the Democratic candidate this year" is the object of the preposition "to," but since the clause's verb needs a subject, the correct choice is "whoever."
Posted by Adscititious at 04/13/2008 @ 2:02pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/13/2008 @ 12:56pm
Seriously, can anybody read that post and not imagine what FRANK would say if those SAME WORD were applied to a LIE...like "I remember coming under sniper fire at the airport in Bosnia"?!??!?
heheh
Posted by Mask at 04/13/2008 @ 2:04pm
Posted by FEINFEIN 04/13/2008 @ 2:00pm
So who are YOU voting for, FEIN?
Posted by Mask at 04/13/2008 @ 2:05pm
Mask, you don't have to reply to every post here.
Remember, there's wisdom in silence.
Posted by Adscititious at 04/13/2008 @ 2:08pm
Posted by ADSCITITIOUS 04/13/2008 @ 2:08pm
Sorry, ADS...it's my job.
Ask FRANK.
(BTW, "every post" didn't include JOMAMMA, BRUNOWE, or JULIEN...did they?)
Posted by Mask at 04/13/2008 @ 2:23pm
Though Hillary may NOT be a small-town gal any longer, I do feel she gets ME and those like me who are in need. I certainly trust her more than ANY man who would accept work to defend THAT SLUMLORD, Rezko.. So, yes, they have all done work they should not be proud of. This includes Obama; his past is not quite a lily-white as some (including the OP) would like for us to believe. The fact that McBush scares the hell out of me AND I don't trust Obama (don't think he's yet been straight with the American people on many issues) makes my ONLY choice Clinton. Now, if Obama does get the nomination, I probably will be giving my vote to Nader. This is how much I don't want Obama in the white-house. It would be the first time in 32 years I'd ever throw-away a vote, too.
Posted by AnneB at 04/13/2008 @ 2:27pm
Hillary believes in all of "US", including those of us in small towns. Obama is an elitist jerk. How can Americans even give him a glance? Go Hillary and the rest of "US" left to vote, "we can do this together". I feel the small towns and big towns too, rising to the support of the American President who represents us all. Now, that has finally become obvious to us all- Obama "we in small towns are bitter"!!! Get a life and go back to your rookie senate position & leave America to Hillary. She is being outspent by at least three to one. Remember, the money for Obama's campaign didn't all come from small donors as he tries to make us think. Instead, at least half of his 230 million plus dollars has come from rich multimillionaires and 27,000 plus maximum amount $2300.00 donors. Ergo, his elistist comments and beliefs stated in San Francisco are shining through. Now these "bitter" comments bring [W]right up again too, and correctly so, I think! Why does everything Obama wrongly says that clearly shows how he really stands gets spun around as we, the electorate, are taking it out of context or he's sorry but...? Hillary has the only "shot" now for Democrats in November. She really identifies with and cares about what happens to the ones of "US" left who are barely surviving here in the middle and lower class. She, of course, is rich but, she can still identify with we the "working class Americans. Obama, clearly cannot. Hillary will win in November against McCain or more of the same McBushIII. Obama cannot win, particularly now. Sure looks like to me that Obama is showing himself for the far left latte drinker that he has been since the start. Remember, divide and conquer in Europe by taking advantage of the youth and minority races? Starting to rack them up and the republicans will have a field day in November i.e. monsterGate, NAFTAGATE, his real plans for Irag withdrawal have now been revealed, small town slam and oh yeah, [W]right!!!! Obama's latest truly revealing small town slam calling "US" bitter, etc., finally shows him for the elitist rat that he has been from the start and has managed to hide thus far. Wake up America! He doesn't care a thing about promoting anybody but himself. We need Hillary Clinton. We can still save the nominating process and the Democratic Party, if we do the right thing in the primaries left to come. Let's not let the rest of America down. Decisive wins for Hillary in all remaining primaries will put Obama back in his rightful place- a rookie senator. We can still do this and I know the rest of "US" is counting on us. One last thing, where are the ranting raves by the MSM on this issue and why aren't they running this over and over and over again? He will lose the nomination because he is finally identified as the inferior candidate. We have to beat McCain in the fall Americans. Vote Hillary for a victory for the Democrats in November, otherwise we're doomed. PA, you can do it, bring her on to the rest of "US" and save the Presidency for the Democrats. Vote Hillary!
Thank you from KY. America needs your help!!!
Posted by moblou at 04/13/2008 @ 3:05pm
MOBLU and ANNEB, gee, you don't sound bitter at all!
Posted by brunowe at 04/13/2008 @ 3:13pm
It did not take bill and hill 8 years to make $109million. Those tax returns only covered 6 years.
Posted by lnh at 04/13/2008 @ 3:13pm
I'll betcha anneb is da H. S. of T. D.
I think this McCain/Clinton thing has got legs... just like the dinosaurs did. Let's put it out of it's misery with both kindness and compassion, intermixed with spirituality and constitutional law. Then... in, say... a couple million years... when we've finally succeeded in paying off the national debt and brought lasting peace to Iraq... we can start up the ol' oil companies again!
Posted by ttr at 04/13/2008 @ 3:17pm
Ah... the indignities of crossposting with the "real thing"... scratch that @ 3:17pm bet... moblou is the hands down winner.
Posted by ttr at 04/13/2008 @ 3:21pm
Posted by MOBLOU 04/13/2008 @ 3:05pm | ignore this person
mighty fine cheerleading.
Posted by emile duBois at 04/13/2008 @ 3:31pm
Is there no end to the 'Hillary Haters'? The Clinton years were the best years this country had seen in a long time. Bill Clinton left office with a 57% plus rating and a $559 BILLION DOLLAR SURPLUS.
We are not looking for an orator we need a great President such as Hillary Clinton will be. Not someone who will sneak off and belittle the voters by telling his elite money friends they are 'bitter' Both he and his wife have no idea what it takes to feel compassion and understanding. Your condemnation and insults will not stop the voters of Pennsylvania. The nomination will be a loss to the Democrats if they give it to Obama, this nation will not give him the Presidency. So stop watching GE's MSNBC AND reading anti Hillary blogs let the people decide. Try researching the Mystery Man and leave the Clintons alone. There are people who will not vote for him and they are tired of the same anti Hillary rubbish.
Posted by Evista at 04/13/2008 @ 4:16pm
When the choice is between a pathological liar, a dithering old man and an extremely intelligent man, I'll choose intelligent every time. we tried the pathological liar, beer drinking buddy type for eight years. I refuse to vote for a dynasty and Mr. Clinton did ship our sweat equity to cheep labor countries to satisfy corporate greed and gluttony. Dynasties are dangerous. I am bitter and angry and do pray a lot. that is all this government has left us with, and who is more condescending and elitist than Senator Clinton. TO WHOMEVER THIS APPLIES
Posted by julien38 at 04/13/2008 @ 5:21pm
HAPPY2
You're not even TRYING to make sense. First, Obama did not grow up as a Muslim (he even attended a Catholic school for a few years). Second, so what even if he had been a Muslim.
Or maybe he went into civil rights law because he believed in it. He had been a community organizer before he went to law school. I realize that you are incapable of any sentiment outside of bragging about your portfolio but people do act from other motives.
Posted by brunowe at 04/13/2008 @ 5:59pm
For those who are interested in some substance versus the static we've been subjected to lately, here is a worthwhile bit of soothing sustenance to brighten up your day:
A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama's Path.
It's an absorbing story about Barack Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro.
excerpt:
Fluent in Indonesian, Ms. Soetoro moved with Maya first to Yogyakarta, the center of Javanese handicrafts. A weaver in college, she was fascinated with what Ms. Soetoro-Ng calls "life's gorgeous minutiae." That interest inspired her study of village industries, which became the basis of her 1992 doctoral dissertation.
"She loved living in Java," said Dr. Dewey, who recalled accompanying Ms. Soetoro to a metalworking village. "People said: ‘Hi! How are you?' She said: ‘How's your wife? Did your daughter have the baby?' They were friends. Then she'd whip out her notebook and she'd say: ‘How many of you have electricity? Are you having trouble getting iron?' "
She became a consultant for the United States Agency for International Development on setting up a village credit program, then a Ford Foundation program officer in Jakarta specializing in women's work. Later, she was a consultant in Pakistan, then joined Indonesia's oldest bank to work on what is described as the world's largest sustainable microfinance program, creating services like credit and savings for the poor.
Visitors flowed constantly through her Ford Foundation office in downtown Jakarta and through her house in a neighborhood to the south, where papaya and banana trees grew in the front yard and Javanese dishes like opor ayam were served for dinner. Her guests were leaders in the Indonesian human rights movement, people from women's organizations, representatives of community groups doing grass-roots development.
~Imagine, if we actually had some real, factual information about Barack Obama we might even understand that he's not cut from a mold that could have possibly put him on a path to becoming an "elitist".
Now Hillary on the other hand.........
From Nixon Girl to Watergate: The Making of Hillary Clinton.
excerpt:
The way Hillary Clinton tells it in her Living History (an autobiography convincingly demolished by Jeff Gerth and Don Van Natta in their Her Way: The Hopes and Ambitions of Hillary Rodham Clinton, an interesting and well researched account ) she went straight from the Nixon camp to the cause of Martin Luther King Jr., and never swerved from that commitment. Not so. Like many Illinois Republicans, she did have a fascination for the Civil Rights movement and spent some time on the south side, mainly in African Methodist churches under the guidance of Don Jones, a teacher at her high school. It was Jones who took her to hear King speak at Chicago's Orchestra Hall and later introduced her to the Civil Rights leader.
Gerth and Van Natta eschew psychological theorizing, but it seems clear that the dominant influence in Hillary life was her father, a fairly successful, albeit tightwad Welsh draper, supplying Hilton hotels and other chains. From this irritable patriarch Hillary kept secret a marked penchant throughout her life her outings with Jones and her encounter with King. Her public persona was that of a Goldwater Girl. She battled for Goldwater through the 1964 debacle and arrived at Wellesley in the fall of 1965 with enough Goldwaterite ambition to become president of the Young Republicans as a freshman.....
If any one person gave Hillary her start in liberal Democratic politics, it was Marian Wright Edelman who took Hillary with her when she started the Children's Defense Fund. The two were inseparable for the next twenty-five years. In her autobiography, published in 2003, Hillary lists the 400 people who have most influenced her. Marion Wright Edelman doesn't make the cut. Neither to forget nor to forgive. Peter Edelman was one of three Clinton appointees at the Department of Health and Human Services who quit when Clinton signed the Welfare reform bill, which was about as far from any "defense" of children as one could possibly imagine.....
After Bill was elected governor of Arkansas in 1976, Hillary joined the Rose Law Firm, the first woman partner in an outfit almost as old as the Republic. It was all corporate business, and the firm's prime clients were the state's business heavyweights Tyson Foods, Wal-Mart, Jackson Stevens Investments, Worthen Bank and the timber company Weyerhaeuser, the state's largest landowner.
Two early cases (of a total of five that Hillary actually tried) charted her course. The first concerned the successful effort of Acorn a public interest group doing community organizing to force the utilities to lower electric rates on residential consumers and raise on industrial users. Hillary represented the utilities in a challenge to this progressive law, the classic right-wing claim, arguing that the measure represented an unconstitutional "taking" of property rights. She carried the day for the utilities.
The second case found Hillary representing the Coca-Cola Bottling Company of Arkansas in a lawsuit filed by a disabled former employee who had been denied full retirement benefits by the company. In earlier years, Hillary had worked at the Children's Defense Fund on behalf of abused employees and disabled children. Only months earlier, while still a member of the Washington, D.C., public interest community, she had publicly ripped Joseph Califano for becoming the Coca Cola company's public counsel. "You sold us out, you, you sold us out!" she screamed publicly at Califano. Working now for Coca Cola, Hillary prevailed.
And finally, check out this rather telling bit of footage from the Center for Public Integrity:
Hillary Clinton: The Wal-Mart Videos.
Posted by b_kool_66 at 04/13/2008 @ 6:17pm
My guess is (and perhaps revealed in his own writings), Magic went into civil rights law as part and parcel of his sorting out his own identity.....another word, had little to do with what we'd typically think a civil rights attorney's driving motivations are.----Posted by HAPPY2 04/13/2008 @ 4:46pm
Yeah, he was obviously neurotic for doing something altruistic....now, if he went into investments and didn't give a rat's ass about anybody else or his country's financial future...THAT would be the sign of a well-adjusted personality!!!
Posted by Mask at 04/13/2008 @ 7:08pm
Posted by HAPPY2 04/13/2008 @ 4:46pm
so, he became a civil rights lawyer in search of blackness.
DARTH VADER '08!!!!!!!
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/13/2008 @ 7:53pm
BTW, love the new CNN story...
After a week of touting her "church-going" and "gun ownership" cred...Her Majesty called questions about WHEN she last went to church or WHEN she last fired a gun... "irrelevant"!
LOL!
Posted by Mask at 04/13/2008 @ 8:02pm
Posted by MASK 04/13/2008 @ 8:02pm
watch this you tube video of hillary skinnin' a buck.
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/13/2008 @ 8:21pm
The more I read, the more I see lots of folks choosing to buy Hillary's lines out of either nostalgia or I-don't-trust-the-darkie-ism. Rezko is and has always been a non-starter, Sinclair was an absolute joke, and Wright was overblown. If the Chicago press, who by all accounts are the most brutal out there on local politicians, couldn't find very much to tar Obama with after eighteen years, odds are he could be just what he says he is. He's not perfect, but he's not a Clinton and he's not 100 years in Iraq and clueless about the economy. And no he wasn't my ideal candidate but on the balance he's not that bad. And in modern American politics that's about as good as it gets.
Posted by yutsano at 04/13/2008 @ 8:22pm
Posted by HAPPY2 04/13/2008 @ 4:46pm
Happy why do you bother posting about him? Anything said about him you will find a way to spin it negatively. He was a civil rights lawyer now you are trying to make him appear to be an ass for trying to help people and in the process find himself. However if someone criticizes your candidate all of a sudden they are traitor who should be shot. Just face it. No matter how clean he was no matter how much he wants to help you don't care. As long as he has a D next to his senate seat you hate him. So why do you bother to continue to tell us what we already know you are going to say?
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/13/2008 @ 8:32pm
Posted by CCCOMFO1 04/13/2008 @ 8:32pm
You answered your own question there m'dear. Typical neo-con playbook tactics there.
Posted by yutsano at 04/13/2008 @ 8:36pm
HAPP, what was the KEY word you used?
"My guess is...."----Posted by HAPPY2 04/13/2008 @ 4:46pm
So WHY is that your guess?
And does that mean that Bush went into Presidential politics because he has "daddy issues"?
(Careful...say "Sure, why not?" and that means your "guess" is meaningless, since it didn't stop you from voting for Dubya)
Posted by Mask at 04/13/2008 @ 8:50pm
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 04/13/2008 @ 8:21pm
I wonder if FRANK has a Playstation or a Wii? [youtube.com]
heheh
Posted by Mask at 04/13/2008 @ 8:53pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I23fjRN-PGc&fmt=18
the true footage.
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/13/2008 @ 9:01pm
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 04/13/2008 @ 9:01pm
Pretty good.
Posted by Mask at 04/13/2008 @ 9:12pm
I think all women have a bit of Small Town Girl in her. I love Hillary's big hearty laugh, very much a small town kind of thing. Unlike others she is not perfect but she is real and like AnneB above I feel Hillary gets me. I too have a big belly laugh! Obama is okay but I am concerned about his connection with Rezko, Reverand Wright, and disagree with his assessment of small town America.
Posted by meggles at 04/13/2008 @ 9:21pm
Posted by HAPPY2 04/13/2008 @ 8:43pm
He isn't my idol once again. I wasn't rooting for him at the beginning. As I have said many many times in the past. Maybe everyone should start archiving like Mask. I wouldn't have to repeat myself so much.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/13/2008 @ 9:21pm
Posted by HAPPY2 04/13/2008 @ 8:43pm
Besides on top of that. You support Bush. A man who had no real experience in Washington politics. So how do you explain that?
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/13/2008 @ 9:22pm
Posted by MEGGLES 04/13/2008 @ 9:21pm
This is the 2nd "newbie" to use the phrase "She's not perfect, but she is..."
H.T.O.T.D. working over-time tonight?
Posted by Mask at 04/13/2008 @ 9:26pm
as a black when he really was NOT a black up until then!
Posted by HAPPY2 04/13/2008 @ 9:29pm
You sound like Frankgrits. What makes a man black happy?
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/13/2008 @ 9:36pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/13/2008 @ 9:36pm
I think you are the one faking it Frank. That's why you bring this up so much. That's why more and more you sound like a neo-con. Guess you are the one that needs o be outted.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/13/2008 @ 9:37pm
Posted by HAPPY2 04/13/2008 @ 9:39pm
Well things about McCain that you KNOW of. Not much has had to be brought to light about him yet because the battle hasn't focused on him yet. So we will see. He may have some skeletons you don't know about.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/13/2008 @ 9:41pm
Posted by HAPPY2 04/13/2008 @ 9:39pm
Besides, I try my best to vote according to platform. Everyone has skeletons in their closet. Everyone makes mistakes, that's what it is to be human. Unless I am perfect I can't hold mistakes against someone.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/13/2008 @ 9:43pm
I am not a fan of Barack Obama, but what he said about working-class voters being bitter, was dead-center-on-target!
Pennsylvania; the alleged state with small towns of bitter people Obama was speaking about? It is known for being coal mining country and the type of coal mining done there is called shaft mining. If you weren't already aware of it, shaft mining, coal or otherwise, is very hard work and equally dangerous. Tens of thousands of miners have died in the mines and many more have died outside the mines as a result of Black Lung Disease. I was born in Pennsylvania; but I come from and live where all of the bitter people live. It's not just the small towns of Pennsylvania where bitter people live; it's all across America! We, the working class; the middle class; the poor class, the honest and descent people of America who have been lied to, time and time and time again, by both the Republicans and Democrats are sick & tired of both parties, but mostly with the Democrats, because they are as much of the problem as the Republicans are. They haven't done anything to stop them or all the wrong they are doing. As a result, many of us are bitter and cling to our guns or our religion or have antipathy towards people who aren't like us or we're anti-immigrant sentiment and are rightfully anti-trade sentiment as a way of explaining our frustrations!
Senator Obama -- whom I do not like or support -- is much closer to seeing and understanding this phenomenon than Hillary Clinton is. That's because she has become accustomed to having over $109 million since leaving the White House and office in 2001. Excuse me, that was her husband, not her, who was in office. But she seems to want people to think she was in the White House at Bill's side the entire time and has more in common with the rest of us common folk than a former civil rights lawyer from Chicago, IL is.
Yeah, we have been left behind; just like the empty shaft in a mine is left after all the coal or ore has been taken out. And what is left? Bitter people.
Most of these people always voted Democratic; because the Democrats were supposed to be our friends, the ones who always looked out for us and protected us from the big bad meannies called the Republican Party. But that was all an act. There's no real difference. Look at the messes this country is always getting in to and why is it always getting into them?
Because we had the choice between bad and not quite as bad; the lesser of two evils!
That is what our so-called two party political system in America really is; the lesser of two evils. It claims it is a self-correcting, balance of powers that insures our nation and it's leaders will always take care of each of us, no matter how low of stature we are or how unimportant we may be. But that is simply a lie. The two-party system -- just like the Soviet political style we railed against as being so corrupt and dishonest -- is broken. There are no checks and balances, other than the balancing act between the two -- the Republicans and Democrats -- to maintain their combined domination and control over this country's feared and dreaded Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex, that keeps on humming along and feeding money from the government back to the politicians who approve all of the military spending -- which is 50% of our budget -- rolling in the money that comes back to them in the form of campaign contributions; legalized bribery
But I don't cling to guns, I don't even own one. I am religious, but I don't cling to it because it cannot change needs to be done, only we can; God doesn't vote. I don't do any of the other things Barack Obama sees in us, except for being against all the illegal immigrants living here and being part of the problem of why wages are artificially kept low and in favor of keeping cheap labor! You see, nearly any American will work in any type of work there is provided they are paid enough to make it worth their labor and effort. But when our government allows illegal to flood into our country and give business the power to control wages and keep them too low, well guess what? You are not going to get most people to even apply for that work because they can't live off of it. And as far as free trade goes, you've got to be dumb and stupid to thing exporting jobs makes any sense. But our government does that too, paying companies to ship jobs and production overseas.
But this year, I'm dropping the Democrats. No, I'm not voting for anyone as crazy as John McCain is, that would be insane. We are losing in Iraq and have been doing so ever since George W. Bush was talked in to running for President and invading Iraq by a group of Neocons.
No, I'm voting for Ralph Nader. I'm being independent and as a matter of fact, he's even more closer to the truth of why we are bitter than what Barack Obama is and knows.
You see, I've got it right; I've got it correct. Voting is not about picking who the winner will be, as if the winner has already been picked but the results withheld until the rest of us can place our bets on who the winner is.
Actually that is exactly what our elections are; picking the winner in the 6th race at Churchill Downs.
Instead, I vote for the best person running, regardless of whether or not they win. If I pick the winner, I don't win anything. But If I pick the best person running and they win, all of us win.
But unless you are a bitter person like me and who understands what's really going on, you are not going to understand that bitter people even exist.
Only Ralph Nader understands why we are bitter, how to fix what's wrong in this country and make us un-bitter. That's why I cannot support Barack Obama, he only wants perpetuate the current system; but at least he knows we are bitter. Hillary hasn't learned than yet. Maybe after she loses, she'll know first hand what bitter is? Most likely not
Posted by pnclement at 04/13/2008 @ 9:46pm
I think Ari Melber's coverage is a little selective here. Hillary Clinton may be a small town girl, but the real question is...is she living in a lonely world?
Posted by Thrawn at 04/13/2008 @ 9:50pm
people like Berman and Melber, sit around in their spare time between witing their meager articles and assume identities like Mask and Frosty and others.
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/13/2008 @ 9:36pm
VAN NOODLE!!! WHERE'S MY BACK PAY?!?!?!?
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/13/2008 @ 10:27pm
oops.
vanden noodle.
damn.
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/13/2008 @ 10:27pm
It's not fair to mention Obama's drug use.
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/13/2008 @ 9:39pm
what's your favourite drug, frank?
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/13/2008 @ 10:33pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/13/2008 @ 9:43pm
Genes reveal West African heritage of white Brits
11:24 24 January 2007
NewScientist.com news service
Roxanne Khamsi
Gene tests on a sample of "indigenous" Englishmen have thrown up a surprise black ancestry, providing new insight into a centuries-old African presence in Britain.
The research, funded by the Wellcome Trust, identified a rare West African Y chromosome in a group of men from Yorkshire who share a surname that dates back at least as far as the mid-14th century and have a typical European appearance. They owe their unusual Y chromosome to an African man living in England at least 250 years ago and perhaps as early as Roman times, the researchers say.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11018-genes-reveal-west-african-he ritage-of-white-brits.html
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/13/2008 @ 10:36pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/13/2008 @ 9:36pm
Come on, FRANK, make up your mind.
When I "owned up" and said I was a "Nation" writer...you said, no, I'm not smart enough to be one....
now, I'm Ari Berman or Ari Melber?!??!? Paid writers for the mag?
Figure out one track, huh? Either insulting or "fiendish conspiracy by a staff writer"!
BTW, why would a "Nation staff writer" say that he'd support whoever the Dem nominee is, if "in cahoots" with Obama....but a supposed "Hillary progressive" like you, is perfectly happy to vote with...HAPPY, PONTI, and RIO BRAVO?!?!?!?
Posted by Mask at 04/13/2008 @ 10:39pm
what's your favourite drug, frank?----Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 04/13/2008 @ 10:33pm
Kool-aid....provided by Rev. Hillary Jones!
Posted by Mask at 04/13/2008 @ 10:39pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/13/2008 @ 9:50pm
quick! somebody beat up obama!
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/13/2008 @ 10:40pm
Just a small town girl Livin' in a nixon world She took the midnight train going to d.c. Just a city boy Born and raised in Arkansas He took the midnight train going to d.c.
Don't stop believin' Hold on to that feelin' Streetlight people Woah, woah Don't stop believin' Hold on Streetlight people Oh, woah Don't stop believin' Hold on to that feelin' Street light people
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/13/2008 @ 10:51pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/13/2008 @ 10:43pm
you said being beat up qualifies someone to be president.
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/13/2008 @ 10:52pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/13/2008 @ 11:00pm
i wouldn't wish mr. mccain's treatment on anybody.
however, that doesn't mean he is intelligent enough to be president.
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/13/2008 @ 11:07pm
off topic alert!!
here's one for all you ethanol fans:
Finance Ministers Emphasize Food Crisis Over Credit Crisis
By STEVEN R. WEISMAN
Published: April 14, 2008
WASHINGTON -- The world's economic ministers declared on Sunday that shortages and skyrocketing prices for food posed a potentially greater threat to economic and political stability than the turmoil in capital markets.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/14/business/14finance.html?ref=business
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/13/2008 @ 11:14pm
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 04/13/2008 @ 11:14pm
How can it possibly compare to the risk of mass teleprompter boredom deaths as McCain slogs thru a 7 month flag-fear one-hit wonder tour.
Posted by winyahn at 04/14/2008 @ 12:38am
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/13/2008 @ 9:43pm
You're wrong but nice try. What makes you black or white is ethnicity and upbringing. The color of your skin is a moot point. I am mixed but like I have stated before the only thing I get from other people is black. I don't name myself as anything. You subscribe to old society way of thinking about race. However considering most people are mixed in America why categorize anything. What is it to be white? Not how do you get that way I mean what is white?
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/14/2008 @ 01:30am
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/13/2008 @ 9:50pm
Again Frank. Skeletons you don't know about. Just because YOU think you know everything about him doesn't mean you ACTUALLY do.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/14/2008 @ 01:31am
something modern day journos just aren't that good at anymore!
Posted by HAPPY2 04/13/2008 @ 9:59pm
Ain't that the truth. Like I said we will see. However should someone have it held against them because they haven't been bent over by journalists from having run in the past?
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/14/2008 @ 01:33am
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/13/2008 @ 10:58pm
I guess Hillary is screwed too. She hasn't served in the military either.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/14/2008 @ 01:36am
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/13/2008 @ 10:58pm
Also don't bother to come quoting her husbands work as proof of her ability. She doesn't get to count her husband on her resume.
Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/14/2008 @ 01:37am
I'm a Midwesterner-MI as a matter of fact (Canary in the National Coalmine)WE've been Screwed since the last recession- About 35 yrs!The Auto, along with their Drug dealers the Oil industry, REFUSED to produce Fuel Efficient Vehicles then, until the Japanese started kicking their Profit margin asses. Then they faned compliance with OUR wishes- for a Blink of an Eye. We wanted Off ME Oil in the 70's, We suffered a hostage Crisis & Hi jackings, because the ME's wanted US out of their Country too. 9/11 Was No surprise- it was an accumulation of anger resulting from these two industries Business Global Stratedgy and Profit margins (In conjunction with the 'royals' of th eME who Rolled out the REd carpet for them- Oppressive Regimes, who were playing both sides to disguise their complicty with both). Not only Do we need to Convict these Inc's for their crimes - so should the people of the ME hold their Profiteers responsible for what they have suffered! Midwesterers aren't 'Bitter ' We are PISSED! We cling to Our Guns & God because those are the only two rights & freedoms they have been unable to pry from our Cold Dead hands! Only an Elitist would have the Audacity to characterize US as Happy little citizens- much like slave owners discussing their Slaves!"We beat 'em Rape 'em and Starve 'em, but listen to their 'optomistic' little songs!" Why do we press on..Becasue WE know We built those Industries from the Ground Up, and we are dreaming of Bringing them Down!Along with their operatives (some covert -Devil in the blue Dress)in Gov't and their Foreign Sponsors!
Posted by Purple girl at 04/14/2008 @ 08:05am
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/13/2008 @ 10:41pm
FRANK, Ari Berman and Ari Melber aren't "interns"...read their bios. They are "contributing writers" to "TN".
Make up your mind...am I an intern or a columnist or are you gettting like WILLC (and his weird "MASK is a woman...I have secret info" theory) and clinging to this bizarre fantasy that I'm "on the staff"?
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 08:57am
That makes Eisenhower's look pale in comparison.
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/13/2008 @ 10:58pm |
Man alive....first FRANK goes after Lincoln, now Ike?!?!?!
heheh
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 08:59am
Ambien. And yours?
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/13/2008 @ 10:37pm
capsicum
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/14/2008 @ 10:03am
Posted by MASK 04/14/2008 @ 08:57am
sssssshhhhhhh!
we'll talk about this at the water cooler.
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/14/2008 @ 10:06am
The Marathon Campaign, Moneylenders in the Temple "We, the people," given the option of whether or not to suffer through 2-years of presidential campaigning, would emphatically say "No!" That it lasts so long reflects the power of big money, as it insinuates itself into our lives and pocketbooks, and, that, by sponsoring prolonged campaigns, spending a few billions, total, its wielders get to leverage a $12 trillion economy in history's greatest firesale, while Washington foregoes its duty of looking out for the interests of the many. At high prices we are forced to buy policies we wouldn't want for free. With an informed, empowered public, shorter campaigns and public financing for those campaigns would pass muster in any referenda, by enormous margins. Sans a tinker's damn we would forego this banal, increasingly tedious process. Moreover, this brow-beating is irrational/insane, in that the same behavior is being repeated, anticipating different results. My ideal candidate characteristically would be too studious, reflective, yeah! too sensitive, to endure huckstering him or herself, that, oxymoronically, is humbling, constituting too many hoops for most folks to jump through. To the mainstream media from a rehabilitating news junkie, and in the name of common decency: shut up! or change the subject. A passing smile is compelling while one that lingers too long says yes, its owner is an oblivious idiot. Changing subjects, half the world's military bill we pay, the US of bankrupt A. Fifty million of us do without medical insurance and two million homes face foreclosure, oil is $100/barrel and the relative value of the dollar is sinking, while we man hundreds of military bases worldwide. What has the Pax Americana done for you and me, apropos the expenditure of a trillion dollars and thousands of lives in a quagmire, to play global cop in Iraq, where most of the people there want us to leave, immediately? Obama, whose opposition to the war in Iraq is, presumably, helping propel him to the presidency, still wants to add 90,000 troops to our military. Are we not well protected already? Is the price of security infinite? This is fear mongering, that tired old tune. Only since Eisenhower iterated his prophetic warnings about the "military-industrial complex" has this country kept a large military between wars. And, what about Hillary? How can you know when to quit, when you're the last foreseeable "great white hope" of your gender? Black men got the vote in 1865, women in 1920. Your time cometh. Hillary is a stalking horse.
Posted by REJames50 at 04/14/2008 @ 11:20am
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 04/14/2008 @ 10:06am
Did a little research....got some GREAT quotes from FRANK, who will soon support McCain, both on the Iraq War AND on the Republican candidates.
Mind you, all of this, was OLD FRANKGRITS, who thought Hillary was inevitable...and that she would get us out of Iraq...and that ANY Republican was a 1000x worse than any Democrat for President.
This one particularly telling....Now, remember this is from a guy who now says he'll vote for John McCain over Barack Obama AND claims that McCain can easily defeat Obama in the Fall as well--
"After the last six years, the stakes are way too high to let personal feelings impede productivity for the progressive cause. She will work with all factions of the party. The democratic party resides in a much bigger tent than the repubs could ever hope to."----- Posted by FRANKGRITS 06/21/2007 @ 12:15pm
WHO'S AFRAID OF LIBERALISM? THE GOP...Posted by John Nichols at 06/23/2007 @ 08:23am
Of course, that was back when HILLARY was going to be the nominee!
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 11:25am
The Marathon Campaign, Moneylenders in the Temple "We, the people," given the option of whether or not to suffer through 2-years of presidential campaigning, would emphatically say "No!" That it lasts so long reflects the power of big money, as it insinuates itself into our lives and pocketbooks, and, that, by sponsoring prolonged campaigns, spending a few billions, total, its wielders get to leverage a $12 trillion economy in history's greatest firesale, while Washington foregoes its duty of looking out for the interests of the many. At high prices we are forced to buy policies we wouldn't want for free. With an informed, empowered public, shorter campaigns and public financing for those campaigns would pass muster in any referenda, by enormous margins. Sans a tinker's damn we would forego this banal, increasingly tedious process. Moreover, this brow-beating is irrational/insane, in that the same behavior is being repeated, anticipating different results. My ideal candidate characteristically would be too studious, reflective, yeah! too sensitive, to endure huckstering him or herself, that, oxymoronically, is humbling, constituting too many hoops for most folks to jump through. To the mainstream media from a rehabilitating news junkie, and in the name of common decency: shut up! or change the subject. A passing smile is compelling while one that lingers too long says yes, its owner is an oblivious idiot. Changing subjects, half the world's military bill we pay, the US of bankrupt A. Fifty million of us do without medical insurance and two million homes face foreclosure, oil is $100/barrel and the relative value of the dollar is sinking, while we man hundreds of military bases worldwide. What has the Pax Americana done for you and me, apropos the expenditure of a trillion dollars and thousands of lives in a quagmire, to play global cop in Iraq, where most of the people there want us to leave, immediately? Obama, whose opposition to the war in Iraq is, presumably, helping propel him to the presidency, still wants to add 90,000 troops to our military. Are we not well protected already? Is the price of security infinite? This is fear mongering, that tired old tune. Only since Eisenhower iterated his prophetic warnings about the "military-industrial complex" has this country kept a large military between wars. And, what about Hillary? How can you know when to quit, when you're the last foreseeable "great white hope" of your gender? Black men got the vote in 1865, women in 1920. Your time cometh. Hillary is a stalking horse.
Posted by REJames50 at 04/14/2008 @ 11:25am
Hillary is a stalking horse.----Posted by REJAMES50 04/14/2008 @ 11:20am
Careful, I think Randi Rhodes lost her job for saying something that SOUNDED like that!
heheh
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 11:26am
Dill originated in central Asia. Zohary and Hopf remark that "wild and weedy types of dill are widespread in the Mediterranean basin and in West Asia."
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/14/2008 @ 12:14pm
There is a severe absence of moral clarity in today's republican party and certaintly no presence of anything resembling scruples. They talk a good game but their collective actions demonstrate something entirely different.
Posted by FRANKGRITS 01/03/2006 @ 6:13pm
MCCAIN '08!!
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/14/2008 @ 12:18pm
c'mon frank,
¿mccain?
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/14/2008 @ 12:19pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/14/2008 @ 12:18pm
actually, i'm beavis. he's butthead. that's our other job.
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/14/2008 @ 12:20pm
Barack Obama: 'And it's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations...'
John Nichols -- The Nation -- 3 March 2008: 'At issue since last week has been a simple question: Did a top economic adviser to the Democratic presidential frontrunner tell Canadian officials not to take seriously Obama's tough talk about renegotiating deals such as the North American Free Trade Agreement?'
Posted by HonestLiberal at 04/14/2008 @ 12:22pm
The midwesterners are as easy to play as the southerners still rooting for the confederate flag. Roy Barnes campaigned that he will bring the flag back and it would fly ovetr the capitol. Now, of course, i knew that they were being played. I thought it funny how the southerners werwe all for Barnes because he told them what they wanted to hear. He didn't address the poor/failing schools in south and central Georgia. That wasn't going to win him the governorship. Preying on their heritage, that they clinged to like leeches on bare skin, was what won it for Barnes. Jeez, people. Smarten up. obama was not lying. Politicians do it all the time. Hell Obama even does it when he talks to an all-black crowd. I can hear him start orating like he's King or somebody. He's pandering to black folks easy. I know Americans cna't be that naive to think policticians don't pander to their most deeply held beliefs. I swear if Hillary brings up being a woman one more time, I'm gonna hurt somebody. If Obama can't bring up being black, Hillary can't bring up being a woman. Staright up. The same rules apply. Americans can not take criticism to save their lives. Well I'll admit it. I'm bitter as hell. I'm bitter that gas and food is so high. I'm bitter that a big finiancial company gets saved but most people are only gonna get $600- $1200. Whoop-dee-fucking-do. And in the midst of my bitterness, I'm praying alot more. I know other people have considered using guns to better their own situation. Nothing Obama said was a surprise, though. I am surprised that this gets middle america in an uproar. Not the vice president disregarding the will of the people but truth spoken to power. I see I have more praying to do.
Posted by k330k at 04/14/2008 @ 12:24pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/14/2008 @ 12:05pm
No, see I liked "old" FRANK. The real progressive and opponent of the war and the Republican Party. Remember him?
"Do some homework wingnut. It takes 60 votes to override a Dubya veto. We are stuck with this disaster until Hillary takes the oath of office. There are soldiers sitting in some desolate outpost somewhere in Iraq who will be dead before morning. They are doomed because of a ridicuolous silly republican seudo president who deserves to be run out of town on a rail. The only thing wrong with the dems successful takeover in '06 is that they didn't win enough seats. 2008 will correct that problem.---Posted by FRANKGRITS 09/10/2007 @ 11:52pm
What part of this sentence don't you understand?: The war in Iraq is a mistake.----Posted by FRANKGRITS 09/11/2007 @ 12:10am
FORGET THE WAR, HOUSE GOP WANTS TO CENSURE MOVEON...Posted by John Nichols at 09/10/2007 @ 11:34pm
What is the reason for our being in Iraq again? I say we pull out starting right now. Any comments, wingnuts?----Posted by FRANKGRITS 08/04/2006 @ 4:19pm
BLOG | Posted 08/04/2006 @ 5:32pm DeLay, Coulter, Kristol Defend Lieberman by John Nichols
"In an interview with Chris Matthews after his appearance before the NRA, Huckabee showed his ignorance of the gun problem. He thought it would be perfectly ok to arm everyone in the big cities. Matthews was incredulous, and rightly so. Huckabee is not Presidential timber. Actually, none of the Republican candidates are."----Posted by FRANKGRITS 09/24/2007 @ 1:12pm
HUNTING FOR VOTES...Posted by matthew at 09/24/2007 @ 12:06pm
It's hysterical. They actually think that somehow, they're still relevant. Americans are patiently biding their time until 2008 when they can rid the country of the cancer called the republican party once and for all. Rest assured, the wH and the Congress will be democratic for at least the next generation. There's an awful lot of damage that's been done to this country at the hands of the neocons and wingnuts that needs to be rectified. The job starts in January 2009.----Posted by FRANKGRITS 06/20/2007 @ 11:04pm
especially after another half dozen or so liberal initiatives get vetoed by Dubya or killed in the senate.............we'll see whose approval ratings are lower....... Those same initiatives won't be vetoed by the next President.-----Posted by FRANKGRITS 06/20/2007 @ 11:20pm
(my bolds)
"Those same initiatives won't be vetoed by the next President."-----Posted by FRANKGRITS 06/20/2007 @ 11:20pm
Except of course if NEW FRANKGRITS' candidate...Maverick John...becomes President!
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 12:24pm
amen.
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/14/2008 @ 12:30pm
My support for McCain if Hillary loses in no way means I support his policies.----Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/14/2008 @ 12:34pm
Though idiotic ("voting for somebody I oppose"?!??)...that part is true.
You're voting for McCain out of spite, because Hillary won't be on the ballot!
And again...LOVE that "old" FRANK once said "Huckabee is not Presidential timber. Actually, none of the Republican candidates are."----Posted by FRANKGRITS 09/24/2007 @ 1:12pm
but now NEW FRANK says "I'd vote for McCain because I respect his service to our country and for the moderate views he holds on health care and global warming among others. Obama simply can't match his experience..."
When did McCain get his "timber" back?....heheh
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 12:42pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/14/2008 @ 12:39pm
Hey, FRANK...just remember this...and as an "anti-ditto-head", you more than anybody will appreciate it...
Come November 4th....you and Rush....are going to be voting for the same guy!
How you going to criticize Mr Limbaugh, when you support the same candidate?
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 12:44pm
I would just love to get you three guys around a table with some decent beer, say Sam Adams Octoberfest or Boston Lager, and just sit back and watch. Now THAT would be fun!
Posted by Benchrest at 04/14/2008 @ 12:48pm
Posted by BENCHREST 04/14/2008 @ 12:48pm
If it's a micro-brew, I'll take an Oatmeal Porter...though glad to get Sam Adams when I can.
Hell, in college we drank "Schaefers" and "Olympia"...like having sex in a canoe.
(Explanation available on request)
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 12:56pm
Posted by MASK 04/14/2008 @ 12:56pm
Explanation please!!!
Posted by k330k at 04/14/2008 @ 1:21pm
Explanation please!!!
Posted by K330K 04/14/2008 @ 1:21pm
Okay...ol' Python joke (doing Aussie philosophy professors)...
"American beer is like havin' sex in a canoe..........f**king close to water!"
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 1:34pm
but with HALF the calories!!!!!
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/14/2008 @ 1:45pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/14/2008 @ 1:53pm
And yet you still think Limbaugh wants Obama to be the nominee, not Hillary?!?!??
Oh...forgot....cognitive dissonance!
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 1:57pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/14/2008 @ 1:55pm
bud? ¡dios mio!
no wonder you support hillary.
like some wonderbread to dunk with?
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/14/2008 @ 2:04pm
What a bunch of Obamaton proaganda! No mention here of Tony Rezko or the lobbyists in the Obama campaign. To attack people because of their inherited or accumulated wealth and declare that they cannot be empathetic to small town or working class people seems a bit queer and most curious, particularly coming from the Nation magazine. I am sure that the latte-sippin' fat cat donors to whom Obama spoke at the San Francisco fundraiser were nothing but representative of small town and working class America. Sure. But they are the ones with the money, so politically Obama has to tell them what is wrong with small town and working class America and its bitterness, so they can feel safe and secure and grateful for their San Francisco Democrat status. I guess, under Ari Berman's new approach, the Nation should have had no business backing John Kerry with his prep school background, Harvard education and particularly his wife's millions- talk about being out of touch with small town and working class America!!?; DC prep school-educated and hotel-raised and tobacco-farm working Al Gore is eliminated; Franklin Delano Roosevelt is the easiest candidate for total oblivion with his family's social status and generations of wealth. Nelson and now Jay Rockefeller must be put on the do not touch list, along with Chuck Percy. Out with the wealthy, high social status but trustbustin' Theodore Roosevelt. This form of attack, to deny the ability and genuineness of someone to understand, to work for and to represent the interests of a different socio-economic class such as small town or working class America, on the grounds of their own social or economic class being different from such, is one of the oldest, and cheapest, political tricks and attacks known to mankind, dating back to the Roman upper class's hatred for the Grachhi brothers. I will put up Bill Clinton's political life history against Obama's any day as to work and dedication for the welfare of a broad base of Americans. And likewise Hillary's. And neither of them took as their spiritual leader for twenty years without complaint a man whose idea of Christ's love and whose ideas of America were derived from Louis Farrakhan, from paranoid hatred for white America, our country, our government, and from the age-old but telltale roots of anti-Semitism.
Posted by showell64 at 04/14/2008 @ 2:05pm
Dillweed, it's Kool-ADE.
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/13/2008 @ 10:44pm
http://www.kraftfoods.com/koolaid/koolspace/
they don't yet have a dill flavour, however.
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/14/2008 @ 2:06pm
hey mask,
did you miss this:
There is a severe absence of moral clarity in today's republican party and certaintly no presence of anything resembling scruples. They talk a good game but their collective actions demonstrate something entirely different.
Posted by FRANKGRITS 01/03/2006 @ 6:13pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/14/2008 @ 2:08pm
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 04/14/2008 @ 2:08pm
FRANK presently EATING all those words with a Clintonesque "revise and amend my remarks" (Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/14/2008 @ 1:58pm).
Come November and Obama vs. McCain and FG showing up (after ANOTHER "hiatus from which he's not coming back for a while" of 3 weeks)....
It'll be fun to list all those, when he starts rah-rah'ing for McCain...and probably QUOTING from his "anti-mentor" Rush Limbaugh on why Obama is the Devil and McCain "ain't that bad, folks...heh heh heh".
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 2:15pm
He's trying to have it both ways but right now he's crucifying Obama.----Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/14/2008 @ 2:14pm
No, FRANK...YOU're trying to have it both ways. There's this thing called "Occam's Razor", means the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. And it's this---
Rush wants Hillary to be the nominee and President, because it would mean 4-8 years of SOLID material for him and a big bonus on his salary and RATINGS.
Barring that, he'll try to knock down Obama as much as he can with "Operation: Chaos" to weaken him, because he scares the crap out of him and the possibility of a generational shift in American politics.
But, Obama vs. McCain, like YOU, he'll turn around and heartily endorse Maverick John...stop the imitations of him...and turn all guns on Obama....maybe not call him a "mulatto" or "boy" as you did...too much Imus left, but lie and smear him as well as you would of course.
And in the end, win or lose, you and Rush Limbaugh will be pulling the lever for THE SAME GUY.
and "old" FRANK of a year or two ago, would have SCREAMED bloody murder if somebody had accused him of doing that in 2008...and rightly so.
Of course, "he" seemed to be a decent fellow, with logical thinking and a keen eye for what another 4 years of "Bush'ism" would do....
and not a "mind-numbed robot" to Hillary Clinton...AND Rush Limbaugh!
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 2:20pm
What's wrong with that? It applied then and it applies now. But not to Mccain.
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/14/2008 @ 2:15pm
but haven't THEY chosen HIM?
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/14/2008 @ 2:38pm
I'm looking forward to more The Nation articles featuring lyrics of Journey songs. Here's some suggestions:
1. "Only the Young" is crying out louder than Steve Perry for an article on the youth vote.
2. McCain and the evangelicals could be appropriately titled "Lovin, Touchin', Squeezin'" or maybe "Open Arms" if you are too squeamish.
3. Bush's leaving office? "I'll Be Alright Without You."
4. Conservatives losing Congress and the Presidency? "Who's Crying Now?"
5. Domestic Policy. "Be Good to Yourself."
6. I don't know how you can incorporate "Girl Can't Help It" into a Hillary article, but if accomplished, would surely drive feminist posting on the site.
7. Of course, this list wouldn't be complete without an article on Religion featuring "Faithfully", a Ron Paul article entitled "Don't Stop Believing", etc.
Journey is a veritable cornicopia of article titles. And when you have used up that up you could move on to other arena rock bands, just to get you started: Foreigner's (Head Games), Styx (Best of Times), REO Speedwagon (Roll With the Changes). You won't have to come up with an original thought for years after digging out all that gold, and then you can work on the puns.
"For those about to coast, we salute you!" Classic rock meets classic journalism. Two great tastes that taste great together.
Posted by srjenkins at 04/14/2008 @ 3:30pm
Welcome to the Grand Illusion........
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/14/2008 @ 3:48pm
Styx is one band i would never cross....
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/14/2008 @ 3:48pm
Posted by SRJENKINS 04/14/2008 @ 3:30pm
You know, all that talk last week on HuffPost from Elton John defending Hillary....and I couldn't help thinking about a PARTICULAR Elton John song.
Guesses?
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 3:51pm
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 04/14/2008 @ 3:48pm
Hillary's favorite band?.....easy, for the Pennsylvania primary, it's...
Guns N Roses!
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 3:52pm
•••••• november can be such a cold month: ••••••
When I look into your eyes I can see a love restrained But darlin' when I hold you Don't you know I feel the same
'Cause nothin' lasts forever And we both know hearts can change And it's hard to hold a candle In the cold November rain
We've been through this such a long long time Just tryin' to kill the pain
But lovers always come and lovers always go An no one's really sure who's lettin' go today Walking away
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/14/2008 @ 3:59pm
He'll torture B.O if he's the candidate and will have just as much fodder and even more if he's President, a long shot at best.----Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/14/2008 @ 4:01pm
So, Rush would be left with NOTHING to hit Hillary on and would be forced to "leave her alone"?....No "sniper fire" jokes? No "gun totin', beer swillin' Annie Oakley" jokes? No "Hope the Madame Prez is keeping the female interns locked out of the WH at night?" jokes?
FRANK you're as much a "ditto-head" (mirror-image of course) as those who love Limbaugh!....LOL!
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 4:15pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/14/2008 @ 4:02pm
"Postcards from Richard Nixon" is "nasty"?!?!?
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 4:18pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/14/2008 @ 4:19pm
Hey, FRANK, who will Rush tell people to vote for in November if it's Obama versus McCain?
Who will YOU, devoted listener to Rush, tell folks here to vote for if it's Obama verus McCain?
I think we may have an answer to this--
"For Katrina Vanden Heuvel
There are an aweful lot of republican operatives on this site trying to pass thenselves off as democrats. I hope you understand that."----Posted by FRANKGRITS 02/01/2008 @ 3:34pm
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 4:45pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/14/2008 @ 4:47pm
And WHO would a "Republican operative posing a Democrat" vote for in the fall if it was Obama vs. McCain, FRANK?
So, I can tell "the boss"...
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 4:55pm
Posted by MASK 04/14/2008 @ 3:51pm
Well, I can't say I have a good grasp on which one you'd pick, but half his catalog seems like it could apply. I'd go with Sorry Seems to Be the Hardest Word.
Posted by srjenkins at 04/14/2008 @ 7:56pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/14/2008 @ 8:25pm
Can I go ask Senator Ned Lamont if he agrees with that prediction?
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 9:16pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/14/2008 @ 1:55pm
BLASPHEMY! When you've said bud, you ai'nt said much. It costs four bucks a six pack for a reason. Other beers may taste bitter because you're used to drinking water mixed with an alka-selzer tablet in it. Just for yucks, go to Sam Adams website and check out one of the greatest brewmasters of our time, a man with no superiors and damn few equals. And, yes, I know this is way off topic and I'm just teasing, so do'nt get mad.
Posted by Benchrest at 04/14/2008 @ 9:22pm
frank drinks bud cause he wants to be "populist" like certain people he "knows".......
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/14/2008 @ 9:31pm
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 04/14/2008 @ 9:31pm
Noooooo....he drinks Bud....
because he's TOLD to drink Bud.
Same as he keeps listening to Rush....because Rush tells him to, when he plugs the show.
Same as he supports Hillary...because the MSM TOLD him she was "inevitable" and therefore she was, and if something different happens (like Obama) then it's "wrong" or "bad" because it goes against what "those guys" told him.
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 9:42pm
their guns, bibles and flagpoles.
Posted by MARKCANYON 04/14/2008 @ 8:27pm
canyon porn.
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/14/2008 @ 9:49pm
Been number one forever you know.
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/14/2008 @ 9:48pm
gnat piss.
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/14/2008 @ 9:50pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/14/2008 @ 9:51pm
Sorry, FRANK, perfectly healthy...perfectly well-adjusted.
Remember, I the one who will vote for WHOEVER gets the Democratic nomination...even Her Majesty.
You are the one who throws a tantrum and says "No, no, no. If she no win...I hurt that mean black man, by voting for Grandpa! Nanner-nanner-boo-boo!"
LOL!
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 10:07pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/14/2008 @ 9:45pm |
BTW, was waiting for that.
I knew eventually you'd fall in with MARKHIMMLER our local neo-Nazi!
Posted by Mask at 04/14/2008 @ 10:08pm
I just heard Mr McCain lie about what Mr. Obama promised as far as promising to accept public financing. So now we have two pathological liars. I thought that the ninth commandment was, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor". One has trouble remembering a visit to Bosnia, must have been the Johnny Walker, the other has trouble reading or knowing what country he is in, must be old age. Maybe the kids will save us old geezers from ourselves and elect the intelligent black man. One can only hope.
Posted by julien38 at 04/14/2008 @ 10:51pm
Hillary. Just a small town girl. Born and raised in south Detroit. She took a midnight train going ANYWHERE.
Posted by Benchrest at 04/14/2008 @ 10:56pm
wow. her home state won't be seated at the convention.
talk about injustice.
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/14/2008 @ 11:12pm
OK Frosty. Time to educate me. The other day Emile said "nomen est omen" and you said "are you made of wood?" and he said "I come from the forest" and then I proceded to pull my pants down in front of the world. I can't find anything on that stuff. It's driving me nuts. What does it mean?
Posted by Benchrest at 04/14/2008 @ 11:20pm
Nomen est omen.
Literally Name is omen." Implies that the name is fitting for the object or person.
dubois literally means "of wood"
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/14/2008 @ 11:23pm
Thank you sir. Again, apologies.
Posted by Benchrest at 04/14/2008 @ 11:24pm
oops,
of 'the' wood.
Posted by frosty zoom at 04/14/2008 @ 11:31pm
But "sniper fire" was an "honest mistake".....LOL!
Posted by Mask at 04/15/2008 @ 09:07am