Condi for Veep? New Revelations Should End That Speculation

The rumorlet that Condi was eyeing the GOP ticket got some traction last Sunday when Dan Senor, former spokesperson for the catastrophic Coalition Provisional Authority, said Rice had recently spoken at a meeting convened by Grover Norquist and his band of economic snake oilsmen. I was sitting to Senor's right--as part of ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" roundtable--when he trotted out this line. I jumped in, suggesting that it seemed delusional to add the worst National Security Adviser in modern US history (okay, tied with Henry Kissinger) to a GOP ticket already burdened by its support for a criminal and disastrous war and occupation. Yesterday, Rice's chances to be Vice-President got blown out of the water. ABC News reported that the Secretary of State chaired explicit White House discussions about which torture techniques should be used on prisoners.

According to these reports, these talks "were so detailed" that "some of the interrogation sessions were almost choreographed -- down to the number of times CIA agents could use a specific tactic." This is more evidence that senior officials, "not only discussed specific plans and specific interrogation methods, but approved them". Given these new revelations not only are Rice's chances of becoming a veep candidate blown out of the water--if there's any trace of decency left in a GOP headed by two torturers-in Chief, Bush & Cheney--but this news should also lead to demands that she resign as Secretary of State.

As True Majority puts it: "America needs a Secretary of State who can repair relations with countries around the world and stand up for human rights. Instead, we have a Secretary of State who chaired meetings on specific torture techniques. Our international reputation and moral standing are just the the latest in the ever growing costs of this Administration's foreign policy.

The ABC report indicates that officials at these meetings included Vice President Cheney, former National Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, CIA Director George Tenet and Attorney General John Ashcroft. It is now clear that abusive techniques at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib were not isolated incidents by a few "bad apples". Instead, they were the logical consequence of policies dictated at the highest level of government and led by the current Secretary of State. Her directives to the CIA were unambiguous, "This is your baby, go do it".

Take action right now. Demand Rice resign. Sign the petition: http://www.truemajority.org/condi

Comments (86)

1. She won't resign. These people have not honor, nor a sense of shame, nor a trace of true Americanism. They worry only about how comfortable a cushion they can land on when our true long national nightmare is over on 1/20/2009

   Posted by The Goods at 04/10/2008 @ 5:41pm

2. Posted by HAPPY2 04/10/2008 @ 5:47pm

   Again I would like to see where your proof is that the terrorists have attempted to attack and America in the last 7 years and that the new techniques have led to the stopping of those attacks.

   Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/10/2008 @ 5:53pm

3. this report is or rather should be the smoking gun that would get Bush impeached and removed.

   America has lost much on 9/11. most of all its moral stature.

   Posted by emile duBois at 04/10/2008 @ 5:58pm

4. I like that conservatives preach moral superiority because they believe in God or whatever yet they are willing to allow torture, mass murder and genocide as long is it "keeps America safe". Even if there is not proof that it is keeping America safe. It is kind of like the bear repellant argument. If I sell you bear repellant in Los Angeles and no bears attack you in Los Angeles it does mean it was because of the bear repellant and you still wasted your money.

   Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/10/2008 @ 6:09pm

5. I'm sure Jesus would be stoked to hear you advocate torture.

   Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/10/2008 @ 6:10pm

6. Condi is a war criminal & traitor...

   1.) Look at her sordid & squalid track-record as National Security Adviser, where she squandered her time hanging-out with her "husband" (her word) George W. -- watching football -- whilst both ignored the warnings that we were at risk of a major attack. 9/11 happened on her watch, because she spends more time contemplating her reflection in the mirror than in considering Presidential Daily Briefings (PDB)... She's admitted that she has no imagination (i.e. no ability to deeply think)!

   2.) The corporate-owned main-stream media hacks who worship at the altar of quasi-fascism adore their Queen Condi and ignore the fact that Bush appointed her as "Head of the Iraq Stabilization Group" in October 2003. After that appointment, Iraqi stabilization & security went to hell... Condi is an incompetent.

   3.) As Secretary of State, Condi flies around demonstrating that she is a vacuous fashion victim -- with nothing of substance (except disaster after disaster) occurring everywhere where she personally intervenes. She is the laughing-stock of the diplomatic corps-- and the majority of State Department officials can't wait to see her back-side (in a different sense that her "hubby" W.). Also, world leaders, smile broadly (especially Israeli leaders) during their photo-ops, whilst telling her what is in their best interest. Condi hasn't served our best interests, here in the United States of America.

   Condi doesn't give a damn about "We the People". The fact that she was instrumental in Bush/Cheney/Rove/Rice (i.e. neo-con policy) orders to murder, torture, rape & illegal rendition-- renders her fit to be arrested.

   Of course, if she was a white male-- she would have gone the way of Rumsfeld. But, then Condi is permitted instead to get away with squandering U.S. reputation; our U.S. soldier's blood; and, our taxpayer's treasure. Pathetic!

   Posted by Emily_B_W at 04/10/2008 @ 6:24pm

7. tHESE FOLKS DON'T RESIGN, THEY JUST BLAME EVERYTHING ON SOME LOWER RANKING PERSON. THE TALK MORAL AND VALUES, BUT YET, SHOW NO KIND OF LEADERSHIP NOR ETHICS. THEY HAVE NO SHAME. THEY ARE ARROGANT. JUST WAIT UNTIL JANUARY 2009, WE WILL HAVE A GREAT DEPARTING PARTY.

   Posted by Gusto at 04/10/2008 @ 6:26pm

8. The doorway is stuffed with accomplices on their way out. Too little, too late. Unelectability isn't enough. I don't ask for much. I wouldn't mind contributing to buying her a piano for her cell at the Hague, so she can serenade her fellow war criminals next door.

   Posted by JFHill at 04/10/2008 @ 6:33pm

9. I'd love to see Condi as the VP....

   Posted by HAPPY2 04/10/2008 @ 5:47pm

   So would I. Would mean McCain would have 0% chance of winning.

   But like I said on the other Condi thread, McCain ain't that stupid.

   Posted by Hman23 at 04/10/2008 @ 6:36pm

10. Condi Rice is the new "Silent Sam", who like Samuel Pierce, the disgraced former GOP HUD Secretary under Reagan, is the one black face in the circle of Republican power who quietly approves her bosses actions and is dismissed by the circle as a necessary token.

    Never had any "real" authority, and never will.

    Posted by Metteyya at 04/10/2008 @ 6:45pm

11. Posted by HAPPY2 04/10/2008 @ 7:01pm

    Trust me - this is not reverese psychology.

    The only VP nominees who would be worse for McCain would be Cheney or Rumsfeld.

    Posted by Hman23 at 04/10/2008 @ 7:14pm

12. Posted by HAPPY2 04/10/2008 @ 6:56pm

    Trust me - if we had stopped any attacks, we would have all heard about it.

    Posted by Hman23 at 04/10/2008 @ 7:15pm

13. Posted by HAPPY2 04/10/2008 @ 6:56pm

    If there were attacks not stopped then you would have a reason for these protections. But if you implement policies for no reason other than to waste money and prove to the world a little more that Americans don't care about anyone but ourselves you have to prove to me that attacks have been stopped. You keep saying it has kept America safe but there have been no attempted attacks that were stopped by any more of the protections. The reason you try to change the subject is because you have no proof that an attack has been stopped therefore you can't justify the need for all of this excessive policy.

    Would you buy bear repellant in Los Angeles?

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/10/2008 @ 7:22pm

14. the least-loved stocks very often, have the greatest `gain' potential and of course, vice versa!

    Posted by HAPPY2 04/10/2008 @ 7:01pm

    Look at Hillary and Obama for proof.

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/10/2008 @ 7:23pm

15. Couple of facts...hard to those who don't like hard facts-

    1. Condi will NOT be Veep. Sorry, HAPPY. Your "silver bullet" to blunt Obama or Hillary isn't going to be there. McCain will be a slightly younger "white guy" (that the LVLIB guys like) and you'll have to tread lightly around the race issue.

    2. Nobody is going to resign from the Bush Administration...unless "something" comes up in the Spring. But that's looking increasingly unlikely. (BTW, saw John Nichols is STILL dreaming of impeachment further down this chain.....geez, louise...is it delusion or a book pitch at this point?)

    3. Kissinger walked...so will Condi. Hell, she'll probably be "redeemed" by good P.R. in the 2010s to 2020s.

    Posted by Mask at 04/10/2008 @ 7:23pm

16. Trust me - if we had stopped any attacks, we would have all heard about it.

    Posted by HMAN23 04/10/2008 @ 7:15pm

    EXACTLY my point. Bush would be absolutely sure to tote any attacks that were actually thwarted. Why? Because it gives legitimacy to his crazy and excessive policies. It gives proof that what he is doing is working and making us safer and not just destroying our economy and our collateral with the rest of the world. I contend that these new policies have done nothing but harm America and make her more unsafe and make it more unsafe for Americans abroad. We have pissed off enough people that now people are starting to want revenge on us for the excesses.

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/10/2008 @ 7:25pm

17. Posted by HMAN23 04/10/2008 @ 7:15pm

    Yeah....you REALLY think that an Administration that used 9/11 for political purposes in 2002 and 2004, wouldn't be trying to raise the 30% approvals going into the lame duck year, if there was "We stopped a 2nd 9/11" with solid evidence?!??!!?

    Posted by Mask at 04/10/2008 @ 7:26pm

18. Posted by HAPPY2 04/10/2008 @ 6:56pm

    Happy I will use a page from you repertoire. I don't like my tax money being wasted on policies that are not showing usefulness. If no one is attempting to attack and these policies have not helped us stay safe then I don't want to have to pay for them.

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/10/2008 @ 7:29pm

19. You now how you make security in our country better? Make security better at airports. Make it impossible to get a nuke or other bomb into our country. Make sure people who wish to do harm to others can't get bombs or guns or anything else. You don't need wars abroad to protect our company because you will never succeed you need sane security policy at home to stop bombs on planes. All the wars in the world didn't stop the shoe bomber.

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/10/2008 @ 7:33pm

20. Posted by MASK 04/10/2008 @ 7:26pm

    HAPPY is the only one round here who seems to think the evidence is buried in some calssified intel somewhere.

    Posted by Hman23 at 04/10/2008 @ 7:33pm

21. Wow I should preview things before I let them go.

    I didn't mean company I meant country. Although America is like a company.

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/10/2008 @ 7:34pm

22. Posted by HAPPY2 04/10/2008 @ 7:48pm

    So they'd use 9/11 to paint Democratic opponents (like Max Cleland in 2002) as "weak on terrorism"...to further their power base...

    but keep quiet victories over terrorism that could help salvage the Bush Presidency and aid McCain?

    Posted by Mask at 04/10/2008 @ 8:12pm

23. Posted by MASK 04/10/2008 @ 8:12pm

    What Happy doesn't realize is he is one of those conspiracy nuts. It's just conspiracy nuts never see themselves as such.

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/10/2008 @ 8:27pm

24. Methinks the Happy doth protest too much...

    Unfortunately, without some sudden attack of morality on some mid-level Bushie, there will be no resignations or dismissals period. Nothing will change until January 20, 2009 (barring Bush cancelling or nullifying the election for "national security" reasons) when whoever the new occupant is takes over.

    It's very simple. They KNOW they are right and moral and just in their actions. They only require the satisfaction of their moral certitude and to Hades with anything else, it's just so much background noise. LVL is the perfect example of this attitude, I'm honestly amazed he doesn't have a job somewhere in the Bush Administration.

    Posted by yutsano at 04/10/2008 @ 9:03pm

25. Posted by HAPPY2 04/10/2008 @ 8:55pm

    Or he is just greedy enough to know that this will make him a ton of money and doesn't care what anyone thinks as long as he gives enough money to corporations to ensure a place in them after his presidency.

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/10/2008 @ 9:04pm

26. Hey I think everyone has got Condi's appearance there all wrong-- if it weren't for Condi it would have been even worse... Just imagine what they really wanted to do that she prevented: the rearranging of detainees limbs and sensory organs so they'd be walking backward into shit and smelling it through their ears, seeing through their butts, giving them female parts, harmones and slowly artificially bloating their bellies to make them think they're pregnant--- by a white devil!?! Ok that's all I can say as the rest is way worse and national security sensitive, but I do believe you all now understand what a true ass et Condi. Things could've been a lot worse if not for her intervention. She deserves to be McCave's VP.

    Posted by hsuBfools at 04/10/2008 @ 9:20pm

27. Posted by HAPPY2 04/10/2008 @ 9:07pm

    How does this belie youth Happy? Or are you once again being condescending because I look for other ways to protect our country than killing people? If I worked at a dock wouldn't that make me more experienced than you in the matters of dock security? I think the reason you keep pointing out my age is because you have no respect for people younger than you. You think somehow you being older than me renders more weight to your argument. However the argument you proffered is something I already know. That's why I said INCREASE our security measures so we can start to close some of these holes. You think I don't know about dock security? I live in Los Angeles next toe Long Beach. The #1 port in America responsible for something like 40-60% of American imports. I think it's the number 6 port in the world. We have been hit over the head with dock security here.

    Your condescending remarks don't change the fact that many people would agree with me about securing ourselves here rather than killing more people to do it. Like I have said war only leads to more wars. For every terrorist killed two more are born in their place. You are fighting an endless and losing battle. Maybe it is time to try a new tactic. The benefit to youth is that it is easier for me to think outside of the box. You get locked into a way of doing things that whether it works or not you keep doing it because it is all that you have known. Maybe you shouldn't have such contempt for people younger than you and try to benefit from that we have a great imagination and can think in new and exciting ways about dealing with things.

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/10/2008 @ 9:25pm

28. Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/10/2008 @ 9:48pm

    Eh I have a little more hope in America that they aren't all racist. Excuse me, hope may be a youthful thing but I don't think America is as in the hole as you contend Frank. I don't think Happy or LV is racist in the sense that they wouldn't vote for a superior candidate because they are a woman or an African American.

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/10/2008 @ 9:52pm

29. all of which have led to a safe America for almost 7 years!!!

    Posted by HAPPY2 04/10/2008 @ 5:47pm

    you've really been fooled....

    Posted by frosty zoom at 04/10/2008 @ 10:07pm

30. IF you didn't follow all the arrests made these past 7 years....

    Posted by HAPPY2 04/10/2008 @ 6:56pm

    how about all them convictions.........

    lol.

    Posted by frosty zoom at 04/10/2008 @ 10:09pm

31. Why wasn't the US Army Field Manual on Interrogation good enough? I thought they were the ones to trust with national security, not the liberal filled CIA?

    Posted by crabwalk at 04/10/2008 @ 10:11pm

32. You now how you make security in our country better?

    Posted by CCCOMFO1 04/10/2008 @ 7:33pm

    stop invading countries. stop supporting dictators. stop stealing through "free trade" agreements.

    Posted by frosty zoom at 04/10/2008 @ 10:12pm

33. Yawn! The world is an awfully gray place isn't it?

    Posted by EULER 04/10/2008 @ 8:41pm | ignore this person

    Yawn!

    Posted by EULER 04/10/2008 @ 8:42pm

    look! euler commented on his own post.

    Posted by frosty zoom at 04/10/2008 @ 10:13pm

34. cultists!

    cultists!

    Cultists!

    Yog-Sotheth for president.

    If it can't do it

    Hillary can!

    Posted by crabwalk at 04/10/2008 @ 10:15pm

35. Posted by HAPPY2 04/10/2008 @ 8:55pm

    So the use by Karl Rove of 9/11 to electoral gains in 2002 and 2004...

    doesn't strike you that there have really been few proven cases of thwarted terrorism that would be very helpful politically if they existed?

    You just trust Bush?

    I see.

    Posted by Mask at 04/10/2008 @ 10:17pm

36. Buwahahaha,

    found this looking for pictures of everyday Obama voters:

    Setup: A game of Creatures & Cultists starts off with each player coming up with a name for their cult, say "The Red Minions of Dubya", and then a credo, say "Black is White! Up is Down!", then a cult symbol, say an iconic, spouting oil well.

    Posted by crabwalk at 04/10/2008 @ 10:19pm

37. Maybe one reason we have not gotten wind of any broken terrorist plots is that most of the recent scandals have been democrats withtheir pants down. What need is there to deflect attention away from that?

    Posted by crabwalk at 04/10/2008 @ 10:23pm

38. John McCain will be very strong with independents and Hispanic and Latino voters. The democrats are in trouble.-----Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/10/2008 @ 9:48pm

    Seems FRANK has finally given up hope on the Ascension of the Rightful Queen, huh?

    Posted by Mask at 04/10/2008 @ 10:26pm

39. Bob Barr is looming....

    I can see him now suckling at the feet of Grover, Perkins and the other Kingmakers of the Inner Circle of True (neo) Conservatives.

    McCain will pay! for his liberal ways. His "compromise" and fur'in chillins.

    Posted by crabwalk at 04/10/2008 @ 10:35pm

40. Posted by CRABWALK 04/10/2008 @ 10:35pm |

    Sorry, CRAB...unlike the naive Left, the Right doesn't create their own little "Ralphs" to help sabotage their own side.

    They're smarter than that!

    Posted by Mask at 04/10/2008 @ 10:57pm

41. Posted by HAPPY2 04/10/2008 @ 11:35p

    What about Pearl Harbor?

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 04/11/2008 @ 12:29am

42. Posted by HAPPY2 04/10/2008 @ 11:35pm

    so you propose killing 1.5 billion people?

    Posted by frosty zoom at 04/11/2008 @ 12:30am

43. I think Frank has gone full neo-con Mask. Or at the very least trying to psychically set himself up for Her Majesty's inevitable loss. Either way it seems despicable to me that he would resolve himself to four more years of destructive policy just because his girl didn't get in.

    Posted by yutsano at 04/11/2008 @ 12:41am

44. C'mon, what's a little torture among friends. Resign? Impeachment? Absurd, not with these people. Grow even richer on consulting fees after slinking from office next Jan, more like it. Hey, this is the USA, we're No.1. Contrition is for little people, for losers. Doncha wanna win? What's wrong with victory? The sweet smell of cordite in the morning, the screams of our prisoners at night. Feel good about ourselves. Nobody can touch us ... except us.

    Posted by sloper at 04/11/2008 @ 02:28am

45. Why have they all not been arrested??? Since our Congress has Proven itself to be complicite in the numerous and continuous Crimes committed by this admin- Where is the Global Community- the UN, also complicite? Yes Novemeber will be a time for Both 'Party's' to be thrown out of Power. but that is just wishful thinking since they have the ability to STEAL ANY and ALL elections. It's time for Our Military to come Home to protect & Defend US from the Domestic Enemies which have infiltrated and Seized our Gov't

    Posted by Purple girl at 04/11/2008 @ 06:38am

46. Anyone familiar with even one of Goebbels' memoirs knows he has a first class mind. For Condi to be ranked with Joseph is high praise.

    Posted by MARKCANYON 04/10/2008 @ 7:45pm | ignore this person

    well we know of at least ONE Nazi who doesn't have a first class mind.

    Posted by emile duBois at 04/11/2008 @ 08:06am

47. Big deal, KvH! So she attended a few `sensitive' meetings......all of which have led to a safe America for almost 7 years!!!

    Posted by HAPPY2 04/10/2008 @ 5:47pm

    That's the biggest line of crap you rethugs spew. If you remember, Sept. 11th took place under the helm of George W Bush and Dick Cheney. They sat on their asses and allowed it to happen which in turn gave them the excuse to go into Iraq. The plans for Iraq were on the drawing table before 9/11,

    What did W say to the official giving him the report about possible airplane attacks against the U.S. via Bin Laden? Oh ya, it was this, "Consider your ass fully covered". Yep, a real concerned president for you there.

    This country isn't one ounce more safe than it was before Sept. 11th nor does Bushco's fighting them over there so we don't fight them here crap make any plausible sense. In fact, if anything, we are more at risk now than we were then since we've now given many Iraqi people a damn good reason to want to take out revenge on us.

    Meanwhile, the puppet Iraqi government's oil reserves continue to grow as do the billions of dollars in cash they have stashed away in some U.S. banks. Can anyone say kickbacks here? Unfortunately, we the American people who are funding this fiasco, aren't getting jack out of this whole endeavor.

    The link below shows just how involved good old Dick Cheney and Ms Rice were in the torture talks.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/11/national/main4008207.shtml

    Posted by Wolfgang1 at 04/11/2008 @ 08:16am

48. Oops, left out 'is'-- but then again it would depend on what the meaning of is is...

    %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

    "Hey I think everyone has got Condi's appearance there all wrong-- if it weren't for Condi it would have been even worse... Just imagine what they really wanted to do that she prevented: the rearranging of detainees limbs and sensory organs so they'd be walking backward into shit and smelling it through their ears, seeing through their butts, giving them female parts, harmones and slowly artificially bloating their bellies to make them think they're pregnant--- by a white devil!?! Ok that's all I can say as the rest is way worse and national security sensitive, but I do believe you all now understand what a true ass et Condi. Things could've been a lot worse if not for her intervention. She deserves to be McCave's VP.

    Posted by HSUBFOOLS 04/10/2008 @ 9:20pm"

    Posted by hsuBfools at 04/11/2008 @ 08:46am

49. HAPPY -

    Yes, we are all aware of that trial - like I said.

    Now let's get back to the original subject - what are the plots stopped by the interrogation techniques Rice advocated?

    This one wasn't foiled due to that was it?

    Posted by Hman23 at 04/11/2008 @ 09:38am

50. HAPPY loves to move those goalposts.

    Posted by Hman23 at 04/11/2008 @ 09:38am

51. Sorry, CRAB...unlike the naive Left, the Right doesn't create their own little "Ralphs" to help sabotage their own side.

    They're smarter than that!

    Posted by MASK 04/10/2008 @ 10:57pm

    Really? then who was that masked man from Texas with his giant flushing sound?

    Posted by crabwalk at 04/11/2008 @ 09:49am

52. I bet Cuba uses those techniques!

    But not Finland, even though Cuba at some point invaded and occupied Finland

    Posted by crabwalk at 04/11/2008 @ 09:57am

53. "We don't torture"

    "We were never stay the course"

    "" Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. ..."

    "the is no doubt Saddam Hussein has reconstituted his nuclear programs"

    Jose Padilla will set off a dirty bomb

    "Can anybody say quagmire?"

    Yep, nobody ever lied.

    Posted by crabwalk at 04/11/2008 @ 10:05am

54. http://www.thenation.com/blogs/action/ignore.mhtml?who=crabwalk

    I like the one about the terrorist who wanted to bring down the Brooklyn bridge with a blowtorch.

    and the one where the terrorists wanted terrorist uniforms and boots from the informant, who was surely egging them on.

    such are the great successes of our anti terrorism efforts. so you see we must spy w/o warrants and we must torture. these successes speak for themselves.

    Posted by emile duBois at 04/11/2008 @ 10:15am

55. Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 04/10/2008 @ 10:09pm

    Do all Canuckians share your annoying tendency to lean so heavily on logic in making their arguments?

    Posted by drhammer at 04/11/2008 @ 10:34am

56. Anyone willing to have their government sink to sub-third-world standards in order to protect them and their portfolios from the terrorists lurking under the bed is a pussy, plain and simple.

    Posted by bwindrip at 04/11/2008 @ 10:49am

57. Posted by DRHAMMER 04/11/2008 @ 10:34am

    tell that to my wife!

    Posted by frosty zoom at 04/11/2008 @ 11:00am

58. Posted by CRABWALK 04/11/2008 @ 09:49am

    Did the Repubs create Ross Perot?....don't think so.

    If, as you contend, Norquist and the "true cons" are pushing Bob Barr...they're pushing the wrong guy anyway.

    Barr has joined with the ACLU to oppose the Patrioat Act and the NSA wire-taps. He also is talking Libertarian Party nomination...not independent...which means he'd have to support a lot of libertarian stuff that the "true cons" wouldn't cotton to.

    Sorry...you're wrong on this one.

    Posted by Mask at 04/11/2008 @ 11:02am

59. In all seriousness, what the heck is going on???? There is more than sufficient grounds for impeachment for not just one, but multiple offenses, and not just for Bush, but Cheney too! I have never been so disgusted with the democratic leadership. Does anyone think that if the party roles were reversed, republicans would think twice about pushing impeachment hearings through. They did it over lies about a bj and Dems won't do it over lies about an illegal war, illegal torture, and illegal eavesdropping. I mean, how ridiculous is this. Our constitution is a joke, our bill of rights is a joke, congress is a joke, and the entire world is laughing its ass off at us. Congress, get with the program and do your job!

    Posted by danconstan at 04/11/2008 @ 11:11am

60. Mask, are you not a self described libertarian?

    I don't think the repubs are "creating" Barr.

    but, lets ask our resident cons what they think of Bob Barr?

    Cons?

    Posted by crabwalk at 04/11/2008 @ 11:14am

61. Barr and Norquist were members of Patriots to Restore Checks and Balances. a PATRIOT Act reform group.

    Norquist on Barr- "...the Libertarian Party has always needed more practical leadership. Maybe it's like that scene in Young Frankenstein where the scientist swaps part of his brain and the monster swaps another body part. It can be good for both of them."

    Posted by crabwalk at 04/11/2008 @ 11:22am

62. Posted by MASK 04/11/2008 @ 11:02am

    Bob Barr has come a long way since the days of the Clinton administration.

    I have to agree with 'ya on this one. He may be conservative, but he's not sympathetic to the neocon agenda.

    Posted by drhammer at 04/11/2008 @ 11:24am

63. Puttin on the Ritz!

    And please, no comparing Marty to Ralph. Ralphs hump does not move around.

    Posted by crabwalk at 04/11/2008 @ 11:24am

64. Norquist, on the other hand, needs to be drowned in the bathtub.

    Posted by drhammer at 04/11/2008 @ 11:25am

65. Bob Barr co-authored a Libertarian Party appeal to Ron Paul to seek their Presidential nomination. With Paul declining to do so, Barr appears to be one candidate, Democratic ex-Senator and former Presidential candidate Mike Gravel another, and there's at least one long-time party activist in the race, as well. The Libertarians have run aggressive campaigns for President in the past; the difference this time is that the Right was far less fractured in 1980 and 1988, for instance, than it is now.

    With a Barr/Gravel Libertarian ticket, and if Alan Keyes is the Constitution Party's presidential nominee, McCain could lose moderate, anti-war, pro-civil liberty Republican voters to Barr and Gravel, and socially conservative hardliners to Keyes. Are we talking big numbers, amounts that could throw the election? I doubt it, since I think once the Democratic race is over McCain will fade fast as the country looks to turn the corner on the war and economic policies. But I wouldn't be surprised if the Libertarians have their best showing ever, and maybe catch some of the same kind of BS flack that Nader's been taking for the last 8 years if McCain loses a particular state by a tight margin. And the Constitution Party might pick up a couple of hundred thousand votes, if those social conservatives decide not to sit at home.

    Actually, having these guys in the race might not be such a bad thing for the GOP, because even if they don't vote for McCain, there's at least a 50/50 (Barr/Gravel) or much higher (Keyes) chance that these voters would pull the lever for Republicans lower down the ballot.

    Posted by cka2nd at 04/11/2008 @ 11:26am

66. Posted by DRHAMMER 04/11/2008 @ 11:24am

    nor are many "true conservatives".

    Barr is closer to many of them than is McCain.

    Will the cons stick to ideology, or go with the "most electable"?

    I think it will be interesting to watch. Will the cons sell out to the "liberal" MCCain in order to keep the conservative Hillary out of office?

    wouldn't it be nice if it was a four way race, a race in which we had some actual choice? Or, for that matter, a five way, with IRO voting? ahh, a boy can still dream of a real republic, not a two party oligarchy.

    Posted by crabwalk at 04/11/2008 @ 11:28am

67. Norquist, on the other hand, needs to be drowned in the bathtub.

    Posted by DRHAMMER 04/11/2008 @ 11:25am

    First we'll have to shrink his ego enough to where it will fit into a bathtub to be drowned.

    Posted by Wolfgang1 at 04/11/2008 @ 11:28am

68. Back on topic. Like Rumsefeld and Co., Ms. Rice will be indicted for war crimes by a third party state and spend her remaining years like Henry Kissinger as a very will paid consultant who has to pay close attention to where she travels and the current status of any extradition treaties between her destination and the prosecuting nation.

    Posted by cka2nd at 04/11/2008 @ 11:29am

69. Norquist, on the other hand, needs to be drowned in the bathtub.

    Posted by DRHAMMER 04/11/2008 @ 11:25am

    LOL!

    good one Doc.

    Look to MI to see the long term effects of Norquist policies brought to bear. Massive loss of good paying jobs, bankrupt guvt, collapsing infrastructure.

    Posted by crabwalk at 04/11/2008 @ 11:30am

70. good point CK. I have always wondered why the constitution party gets so little traction within the con world. I have hope that this year will be their year.

    We can only be better off if some of these "3rd parties" start garnering 5% or more.

    but, Keyes? He is a joke. Zero experience. could not even beat O in a Senators race. However, I know an awful lot of cons that love his rhetoric, as absurd as it is.

    Posted by crabwalk at 04/11/2008 @ 11:35am

71. Will Rice be like Kissinger and be the punchline of that age old joke

    "We are fine, the "worlds smartest woman" just jumped out of the plane with my knapsack"

    Posted by crabwalk at 04/11/2008 @ 11:37am

72. Give it a read:

    http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13009

    Posted by crabwalk at 04/11/2008 @ 11:43am

73. Posted by LVLIBERTY1 04/11/2008 @ 11:50am

    yep, thats why 80% think the country is going in the wrong direction. only 30% support chimpy, less support the filibuster threat run congress,

    Libby was supposed to go to jail, along with Ney, Abramoff, Tobin, Noe, Savafian and all the rest that are either in jail or on their way.

    lose count already? How quickly the law and order guys forget the number of repubs CONVICTED in the last 4 years.

    Posted by crabwalk at 04/11/2008 @ 11:58am

74. Posted by WOLFGANG1 04/11/2008 @ 11:28am

    !!!

    Posted by drhammer at 04/11/2008 @ 12:22pm

75. See, Metteyya only approves of Blacks who know their place. And that place is obeying their leftist Massa's.

    After all, Mett, you can tell us that so-called conservative blacks are just "uncle Tom's, and Aunt Jemimas" right? They aren't true to their race or they would only vote Democrat? Right Metteyya?

    Same way you feel about Jews. To you, a good Jew is one that hates Israel and Zionism.

    Posted by LVLIBERTY1 04/10/2008 @ 8:45pm

    ?

    LVLIBERTY1,

    You have this twisted! I only approve of blacks who are treated as EQUALS in circles of power, and have their own ideas that they are free to pursue just like their white counterparts.

    And your Jewish comment is nonsensical. The right-wing Likud view is NOT the view shared by the vast majority of Jews, although AIPAC has done a wonderful job of "convincing" (bribing) Congress that right-wing Jewish views are mainstream.

    Posted by Metteyya at 04/11/2008 @ 12:31pm

76. Posted by CKA2ND 04/11/2008 @ 11:29am

    You wish. Condi Rice will travel freely and make speeches anywhere she pleases, just like the others.

    Posted by ACook at 04/11/2008 @ 12:36pm

77. "I only approve of blacks who are treated as EQUALS in circles of power, and have their own ideas that they are free to pursue just like their white counterparts."

    Posted by METTEYYA 04/11/2008 @ 12:31pm

    So the only way I (as a woman of color) can get your approval is if I'm in some perceived circle of power!?

    Posted by ACook at 04/11/2008 @ 12:48pm

78. Not only is Rice a responsible, experienced and competent leader, she would strip Obama and Hillary of their only positives, their color and gender.

    now thats funny!

    Hehe. good one Mark.

    Posted by crabwalk at 04/11/2008 @ 2:47pm

79. Reality seems to never quite arrive for the far left. Their constant visions of conservatives hauled off in chains never materialize.

    Lester Crawford, a former commissioner of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). According to an October 17, 2006, Associated Press article, Crawford "abruptly resigned" from the FDA in September 2005 and pleaded guilty to charges of "conflict of interest and false reporting of information about stocks he owned in food, beverage and medical device companies he was in charge of regulating" in October 2006. According to the AP article, "[b]eginning in 2002, Crawford filed seven incorrect financial reports with a government ethics office and Congress, leading to the charges."

    Brian J. Doyle, former deputy press secretary for the Department of Homeland Security. On September 19, 2006, Doyle "pleaded no contest to seven counts of using a computer to seduce a child and 16 counts of transmitting harmful material to a minor," according to The Ledger of Lakeland, Florida.

    Claude A. Allen, former assistant to the president for domestic policy. Allen resigned in February 2006 after a January 2006 police investigation concerning multiple fraudulent returns to a Target store in Gaithersburg, Maryland. On August 4, 2006, Allen pleaded guilty to one count of misdemeanor theft.

    David H. Safavian, a former chief of staff of the General Services Administration. Safavian was found guilty of lying and obstructing justice in June 2006. According to a June 21, 2006, article in The Washington Post, Safavian resigned "days before" his September 2005 arrest. The Post added that he "was convicted in U.S. District Court ... of covering up his many efforts to assist [disgraced Republican lobbyist Jack] Abramoff in acquiring two properties controlled by the GSA, and also of concealing facts about a lavish weeklong golf trip he took with Abramoff to Scotland and London in the summer of 2002."

    John T. Korsmo, former chairman of the Federal Housing Finance Board. On April 7, 2005, Korsmo "pleaded guilty to one count of making false statements to the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee, which oversees the Finance Board, and the Inspector General for the Finance Board." The Senate committee and inspector general were investigating Korsmo's participation in an October 2002 congressional fundraising event.

    Posted by crabwalk at 04/11/2008 @ 2:52pm

80. Posted by ACOOK 04/11/2008 @ 12:48pm

    No, ACOOK!

    I was responding to LVLIBERTY1's twisted comment that I only accept "Angemima types" who simply echo the views of their masters and don't have any independent ideas of their own.

    Posted by Metteyya at 04/11/2008 @ 4:10pm

81. The dems are in trouble whether B.O. or Hillary gets the nod. As I've said a thousand times, you can thank Obama's candidacy for that. The dems had a list a mile long, full of misdeeds by the Dubya cabal to campaign on and now they can wipe they're arses with it, thanks to Barry-O.

    Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/10/2008 @ 11:06pm | ignore this person

    You know something Frank, I've finally had enough of your Democratic Leadership Council, "you need to coronate my candidate or we're all going to hell shit."

    No matter who wins the Democratic nomination, they'll still be plenty of shit to throw at McCain regarding his part in the Bush Administration. Why you can't seem to get that is beyond me.

    No, actually it isn't. You're part of that "How dare this upstart run and spoil our coronation!" set. That Barack Obama (not Barry-O as you so disrespectfully put it) actually deemed himself worthy of competing for the Democratic nomination just galls you. You take it as a personal affront.

    I have three words for you pal: Get. Over. It.

    I'm telling you right now that if Hillary pulls the pin on the Democratic Superdelegate grenade, she'll never win in November. A lot of folks will decide to sit this one out.

    But then again, I'm noticing that you're down with the while phyrric victory thing.

    Posted by edwriter at 04/11/2008 @ 4:19pm

82. The irony of a McCain/Rice ticket would be mind boggling.

    We'd have a President who was previously captured and tortured for bombing innocents from the air and a VP who previously directed the capture and torture of people for the killing of innocents from the air.

    The human race never ceases to amaze. Is it so hard to find competent candidates who haven't been involved in torture and/or mass murder?

    Posted by Vern22 at 04/11/2008 @ 4:33pm

83. Posted by METTEYYA 04/11/2008 @ 4:10pm

    You still don't get it. Go back and re-read your statement. And if you don't see anything wrong with it, then you have a very serious problem.

    Posted by ACook at 04/11/2008 @ 4:40pm

84. I think she would make a great VP and/or president if need be. She has intelligence and presence plus a lot of steel below the surface.

    Posted by pyeatte at 04/11/2008 @ 9:57pm

85. Condi would be as wonderful with McC as Mark Penn is with the Clintons ... as valuable as a cement overcoat when swimming the Channel. Take her on, John, she's just what you need to put the seal on yr defeat.

    Posted by sloper at 04/11/2008 @ 11:13pm

86. Look, the lady has her own private army. It's called Blackwater and it's run by a man who would scare any right thinking American out of his britches. There is nothing beneath or beyond her.

    Posted by midnight04 at 04/13/2008 @ 2:20pm