Limbaugh’s Lying Voters Under Investigation

posted by Ari Melber on 03/25/2008 @ 11:44am

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"Operation Chaos," Rush Limbaugh's campaign urging Republicans to vote for Hillary Clinton in Democratic primaries, has been very effective. It doubled Republican turnout in Ohio and Texas, boosting Clinton and prolonging the Democratic race. But in Ohio, it was also almost certainly illegal.

Ohio law requires that citizens genuinely support a political party in order to vote in its primary. To change parties for a primary, a citizen must pledge, under the penalty of election falsification, that she is affiliated with the party and "supports" its principles. Lying on the pledge is a felony, punishable by up to a year in jail and a $2,500 fine. The law also stipulates that poll workers have a "duty" to challenge voters who are "not a member of the political party whose ballot the person desires to vote."

In Cuyahoga, Ohio's largest county, 16,000 Republicans switched parties for the primary last month. Several did so in bad faith, without truly changing parties, according to newspaper interviews and Internet postings. The Cuyahoga Board of Elections recently voted to investigate the matter; a report is expected on March 31. Despite the massive crossover voting, however, prosecutions are considered unlikely. A spokesperson for Ohio's Attorney General told Alternet that it is "very hard to prosecute" crossover voting cases, since the crime depends on proving a voter's motive on Election Day.

Limbaugh's motives, however, have been perfectly clear from the start. "I'm asking people to cross over, and if they can stomach it and I know it's a difficult thing to do, vote for Clinton," Limbaugh said before the Ohio primary. The goal, he explained, was to ensure Barack Obama was "bloodied up politically" and to extend the Democratic primary "soap opera."

Since the Ohio investigation began, Limbaugh has revved up his special brand of self-promotional damage control. He ran several segments defending "Operation Chaos" with the disingenuous argument that politicians also ask for crossover voters. Of course, intent makes all the difference: Reagan Democrats actually supported Reagan. Limbaugh's campaign is under legal scrutiny because he asked people to crossover in bad faith -- to tamper with elections. But for $19.95, Limbaugh is still hawking shirts and caps emblazoned with "Operation Chaos," so listeners can join the program's "street team." Wear one of those shirts to the polls, though, and you just might provide enough evidence of the motive needed for prosecution. The shirts list "mission objectives" like "enjoy liberals tearing each other apart," "prolong" the Democratic primary, "drain the DNC of campaign cash," and "win in November."

Finally, Limbaugh is lashing out at anyone who notes that he urged thousands of listeners, whether maliciously or ignorantly, to break Ohio law. He recently complained that NBC's Norah O'Donnell and the New Republic's Michael Crowley dared to discuss the issue. Then he was outraged that Fox's Julie Banderas said election law violations must be "taken seriously" and "Republican shock jocks" were possibly "anti-American" for urging people to break the law. And Limbaugh didn't like my recent criticism, either. When asked about crossover voting during an appearance on C-SPAN last week, I said that people should vote on principle -- not to undermine primary races. I also explained that "Operation Chaos" effectively urged people to break Ohio law, if they voted in bad faith, citing a Wired article. Apparently this observation upset Limbaugh, who recently played the clip while calling out "Stuff it, pal, stuff it!" Now it doesn't take much courage to talk back to a recording, and Limbaugh loves playing up partisan fights for his audience. But this is not only about politics. Limbaugh abused his listeners' trust and encouraged potentially illegal conduct. And after a Republican Justice Department spent years hyping voter fraud charges, now some of the most blatant election law violations are being stoked, repeatedly and unrepentantly, by one of the most prominent figures in Republican politics.

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i dont know how they could prosecute, but sincerely hope they do - at least a few.

by the way, rash lungblow may claim the purpose of this felonius campaign to be prolonging the dem struggle, but that, like most of what that blobulant lying drug addict says, is half lie. the other purpose is to nominate the weaker of the two democrat candidates, senator clinton!

WAKE UP DIMOCRATS! YOUR ENEMIES ARE EVIL AND CLEVER AS ALWAYS AND DO NOT HAVE YOUR INTEREST AT HEART.

HOW MUCH FURTHER PROOF DO LAMEBRAINED CLINTONISTA DIMOCRATS NEED THAT THE GOP DESPERATELY WANTS TO FACE CLINTON IN THE GENERAL ELECTION???

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 11:59am
Maybe Rush should learn the words to the song "Prison Bitch" - hopefully he'll soon be livin it! After all, the law's the law - right, "righties"? LOL

Posted by leftofcenter at 03/25/2008 @ 12:05pm
My thoughts on this situation is, why not allow it? Why lock the voter into one party? I know we're allowed to cross over in Georgia. So, why lament about not having a democracy, when you won't allow the people to vote as they see fit? Get rid of the restrictions and perhaps you'll have a better turn out.

Posted by ACook at 03/25/2008 @ 12:23pm
Come on, Mr Melber....you're smarter than this.

There's no way to actually PROVE that those Repubs WON'T vote for Obama come the fall (though they probably won't)....ergo, no way to prove a violation of that law and no way to indict Limbaugh as a co-conspirator.

Sure it pisses folks off that he's gaming the Dem nomination process....but just have to live with it, I'm afraid.

BTW, hear many CLINTON folks complaining?...heheh

Posted by Mask at 03/25/2008 @ 12:24pm
I love the hat!

Posted by spike102 at 03/25/2008 @ 12:27pm
Oh, please Spare me your pious, sanctimonious crap. I suppose you were as vocal when Dems were crossing over for McCain?

Typical hypocritical lib

PS As a PA resident, guess who I'm voting for next Month!!

Operation Chaos continues Thanks to the left making Limbaugh even more effective than he is!

Posted by Drdoppler at 03/25/2008 @ 12:30pm
Posted by FRANKSHITZ 03/25/2008 @ 12:06pm | ignore this person

wright is a bump in the road a long way from the destination. i'm glad your evil heroes are throwing everything they can right now. obama has the opportunity now to practice up on how to deal with such bullshit, and god knows, this is just the tip of the iceberg based on the history of your lying, evil, idols! lol!

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Posted by MASK 03/25/2008 @ 12:24pm | ignore this person

two types of repugnants here - limbaugh listening juju zombies, who are indeed spiritually dead, incapable of independent thought, and thouroughly commited to evil. they vote obama or clinton for mischief's purpose and will vote mccain come november...

the other type is that rare breed of moderate to conservative decent, rational republican lites who genuinely like obama - the obverse of the reagan democrats of the 80's...

happy seems to combine elements of both. havent quite got a bead on him yet, but suspect he will vote mccain despite his glimmering of decency come november.

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 12:34pm
Posted by FRANKSHITZ 03/25/2008 @ 12:06pm | ignore this person

wright is a bump in the road a long way from the destination. i'm glad your evil heroes are throwing everything they can right now. obama has the opportunity now to practice up on how to deal with such bullshit, and god knows, this is just the tip of the iceberg based on the history of your lying, evil, idols! lol!

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Posted by MASK 03/25/2008 @ 12:24pm | ignore this person

two types of repugnants here - limbaugh listening juju zombies, who are indeed spiritually dead, incapable of independent thought, and thouroughly commited to evil. they vote obama or clinton for mischief's purpose and will vote mccain come november...

the other type is that rare breed of moderate to conservative decent, rational republican lites who genuinely like obama - the obverse of the reagan democrats of the 80's...

happy seems to combine elements of both. havent quite got a bead on him yet, but suspect he will vote mccain despite his glimmering of decency come november.

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 12:35pm
dammit! doublepost bullshit!

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 12:35pm
Posted by ACOOK 03/25/2008 @ 12:23pm | ignore this person

"we"..."georgia"??? i thought you were a michiganer...

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 12:37pm
Oh, by the way--I forgot to mention this in my oringinal post-- While in my CHURCH parking lot,on Palm Sunday, I had a leaflet placed under my wiper blade asking the generic me to re register if a Republican and vote for Hillary. Others, at a different area in the same town, had a similar request from the Obama camp! So, If your going to indite Limbaugh in Ohio, 40 miles to my West, the democrates was encouraging exactly what you are bitching and whinning about!

Rings a bit hollow, don't you think?

Posted by Drdoppler at 03/25/2008 @ 12:39pm
Excellent summary, Ari ... Gregory Korte's "'Cross-over' voting has baggage" from the Cincinnati Enquirer quotes somebody from another county prosecutor's office as saying "I don't know whether anyone's ever been prosecuted for it, but if the Board of Elections referred something to us, we'd have to take a look at it." We shall see ...

Any word on whether people are looking into this in places other than Cuyahoga County? The first news I saw was Scott Isaacs' report from Butler County [which had links to several people admitting lying on the pledge on an internet discussion board].

And Frankshitz, different states have different rules about crossover voting, so if this actually does get prosecuted it's highly unlikely to get laughed out of court. But don't take our word for it; how about Cuyahoga County Republican Chairman Rob Frost, who before the election contacted Republican voters and appeared on the Frantz show urging Republicans "not to heed the siren call of Rush Limbaugh and others."

An idle thought: the penalty for election falsification is up to $2,500. Depending on how many people did this illegally across the state, that could add up to enough to offset the $21,000,000 Diebold owes the state (and hasn't yet paid) for the malfunctioning voting machines that got decertified. It's highly unlikely they'd fine individual voters that much; but if there's somebody with deep pockets behind it ... hmmm ...

Posted by JonPincus at 03/25/2008 @ 12:47pm
but suspect he will vote mccain despite his glimmering of decency come november.----Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 03/25/2008 @ 12:35pm

No suspicions needed. HAPP pretty lock-step conservative...he pretty much admits to being a "Chaosian" for Rush in Texas.

As long as McCain keeps promising "more of the same"...HAPP votes for him (and any other Repub).

Posted by Mask at 03/25/2008 @ 12:48pm
How soon until the fantasists dream of "Rush'mas"...

a la "Fitz'mas" the "inevitable" indictment of Rove and Cheney for Plame-gate "once Libby flips"?

Posted by Mask at 03/25/2008 @ 12:49pm
the democrates was encouraging exactly what you are bitching and whinning about!

Rings a bit hollow, don't you think?

Posted by DRDOPPLER 03/25/2008 @ 12:39pm

what? the obama camp was encouraging folks to vote for hilly?

you can't see the difference between obama or clinton soliciting votes from republicans and that lying drug addled fascist telling his brainless minions to vote for one or the other?

are you stupid or just a limbaugh listening juju zombie?

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 12:50pm
"Grrrrr....arrrghhh.... "Demoncrats"....mnnnhhharr...rrrarllrgarl...."Alibama".....mrrrghhhhrr.. ...dddrrraaggglll.... "secular regressives".....mmarrrrrh.... grrrrrrrrrr...... slather...drool...."Hillary Rotten (Satan's favorite daughter)..... grrrrrrrrr.....arrrggghhhh.... "I'm an independent!"----Posted by RIO BRAVO 03/25/2008 @ 12:49pm

(BTW, hasn't been a post yet where RIO hasn't used ONE of those terms in a post...e.g. "Hillary Rotten"..."Alibama"...etc.)

Posted by Mask at 03/25/2008 @ 12:51pm
Posted by MASK 03/25/2008 @ 12:48pm | ignore this person

yeah, at least he's discordian...

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 12:52pm
Can anyone understand the significance of operation chaos? It is similar to when Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Rush and Rush alone stands accused in the American psyche of heedless and irresponsible behavior in the face of a crisis. He claims to be America's anchorman and in effect is the worst spin doctor of them all. He needs to be stopped. Mr. Buckley would not be impressed with Rush in this instance. Spread the word.

Posted by yorke at 03/25/2008 @ 12:53pm
Posted by RIO BRAVO 03/25/2008 @ 12:49pm | ignore this person

have they? have they encouraged dems to cross over and vote for a repugnant candidate? i recall neither obama nor clinton doing any such thing - both are too busy battling each other for votes.

that makes absolutely no sense, RIO, so its either an ignorant or purposeful lie.

MY...WOULD THE PARTY OF NIXON AND ROVE EVER LIE???? SAY IT AINT SO, RIO! SAY IT AINT SO!!!!

LMAO

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 12:56pm
And after a Republican Justice Department spent years hyping voter fraud charges, now some of the most blatant election law violations are being stoked, repeatedly and unrepentantly, by one of the most prominent figures in Republican politics.

I think we need a few high profile ARRESTS of these Operation Chaos types to send a message that this type of behavior will not be tolerated.

We also need a PUBLIC statement by Hillary Clinton condemning the Operation Chaos actions, which obviously benefit her candidacy.

Posted by Metteyya at 03/25/2008 @ 1:01pm
"we"..."georgia"??? i thought you were a michiganer...

Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 03/25/2008 @ 12:37pm

Technically yes, I'm originally from Detroit but moved after I got married. Hubby and I both have family in the South. Georgia has been my home since the birth of my last son.

Speaking of such, how's your family?

Posted by ACook at 03/25/2008 @ 1:14pm
Posted by LIBZSUCK 03/25/2008 @ 1:12pm | ignore this person

so you admit you prefer to face 50 foot queenie in the general election!

PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT THIS ONE SAYS, DIMOCRATS! IT BETRAYS ITS EVIL STUPIDITY WITH ITS OWN WORDS!

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 1:15pm
Posted by ACOOK 03/25/2008 @ 1:14pm | ignore this person

mom's dying, otherwise ok. thanks. how's the son?

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 1:16pm
I wish that Rushbo could have thought about this when it was my turn to vote in Florida. I could have been part of Operation Chaos and Damn Proud of It. You Liberals are Pathetic.

Some words of advice: You guys are going to need some strong tea because Obama Your Mama and Lying Hillary are not going to make it to the White House.

Way to go Rush.

Conservative Luis from North Miami Beach, Florida (Bush Country)

Posted by ldocampo at 03/25/2008 @ 1:20pm
FrankGrits-You post on here everyday.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 1:25pm
libzsuk-No real American would support operation chaos.It's anti democracy.I see that you still have no clue as to what a liberal is.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 1:27pm
LDOCampo-I'd ask you what any of this has to do with liberals,but like your brother libzsuk you don't know because you have no clue as to what a liberal even is.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 1:28pm
Posted by LIBZSUCK 03/25/2008 @ 1:19pm | ignore this person

hey turdmouth! you and all your fascist satanist assholes are my enemy and in a perfect world we could do away with all this silly hypocrisy and really fight it out, but...

here we are. in this world all i can do is call you names and call you what you are. you would do well to not mistake me for some goody two shoes dimwit. i'm dexter.

but then words words words, eh? thank god there is indeed a shadowy army of dexters growing on my side. you evil fucks should be afraid - your entire house of lies is shakier than ever.

get ready to be on the outside for a while.

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 1:32pm
libzsuk-You just admitted that you don't know what a liberal is,but you do know that these unknown people must be defeated.Was that supposed to make sense?It,of course,did not.Ask Rush to give you your brain back.It's been effectively washed.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 1:33pm
You Liberal DemonRats are scary. This smacks of Nazi, Stalinist, McCarthy tactics. Arrest us? Read the constitution you lead brained idiots.I now see a "D" and an "L" in an SS format. DL on your sleeves. Please move to Cuba and Hugo Chavez Land, at least it is warmer than Canada and your Lead Filled Minded Comrades will bring you into the fold. They are always looking for Minds Full of Mush to Mold.

Posted by StoneMan at 03/25/2008 @ 1:34pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 03/25/2008 @ 1:16pm

Oh, IBB, I'm so sorry to hear such news. If you don't mind, I'd like to keep you and your family in my prayers.

As for my oldest, I'm pissed off at him for getting into a slapfest with another serviceman. I found out after my husband talked to his CO. Both spent Easter weekend doing extra guard duty after spending a couple hours cooling off in isolation. And it's all over some ugly girl he and the other guy met off the base. I warned him about his temper and doing stupid crap like that. Now he can kiss goodbye any possibilty of entering into officer training school this year.

Posted by ACook at 03/25/2008 @ 1:34pm
frankgrits-You are quite dishonest.You post on here daily and everyone knows it..

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 1:34pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 03/25/2008 @ 1:23pm | ignore this person

oh how can you dare criticize repugnants for their limbaugh like tactics when your queen has adopted and used them herself?

HILLY - ABANDON HOPE ALL WHO ENTER!

oh yeah, FRANK - thats exactly what the country needs. all hope is stupid. enthusiasm is naivete.

way to fire up the troops...

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 1:35pm
libzsuk-A real American is anyone with citizenship.Duh.Liberals don't have primaries despite your claim that they do.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 1:36pm
stoneman-You make up funny stuff.Do you,also,go by frankshitz and libzsuk?

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 1:37pm
Why don't we have a Bonfire of The Nation Magazine Party in front of their offices? Would that equal their Operation Chaos fear?

Posted by StoneMan at 03/25/2008 @ 1:38pm
Dem's can't handle their own tactics being used against them!

Back in January 08, prior to the Michigan Primary...Markos Moulitsas, mainstream Newsweek columnist, tells his minions at the Daily Kos to muck up the Michigan primary: "Let's have some fun in Michigan."

He urged Dems to cross over and vote in the Republican primary and vote for Romney in order to keep him in the race. Hmmmm....

What is it that you dems don't like.....the fact that your own strategy is being used against you... OR that it is actually working?

Posted by GOP4ever at 03/25/2008 @ 1:40pm
GOP4ever-It isn't working.Hillary still won't get the required number of elected delegates.Sorry.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 1:42pm
Posted by ACOOK 03/25/2008 @ 1:34pm | ignore this person

oh thanks, ACOOK. prayers from truly decent folks such as yourself are always welcome regardless of denomination. mom is old and sick (i came late in life) and i am her nurse as i was my father's, who died of alzheimers a few years back. i'm at the point where i hope she dies soon, you know? you are a nurse, so i'm sure you understand such sentiment is not a homocidal one...

slapfest over a girl? *sigh* they all think with that other head at that age, don't they? well...might not keep him out of ocs after all (they really do need officers) but perhaps a year or two for the young rutting buck to settle down would not be terrible. some things (unfortunately fo parents) that only life can teach...lol...

i'll keep him and you guys in my prayers as well (and pray he don't marry anytime soon mistaking his rutting for luv...lol)

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 1:44pm
Hello, liberals. Apparently, you aren't very smart.

Why don't the rest of you Dems go out and vote instead of crying about mr. rush?

Instead of writing on this forum, go out and get Dems to vote. Lazy hippies. And, this article is clearly trying to scare any republican from doing this. Nobody will get arrested, good luck proving anything in court. I wore my "operation chaos" hat and happily voted Clinton.

Silly hippies....

Posted by chicagobears at 03/25/2008 @ 1:45pm
If the primary is open according to law anyone can vote regardless of political affiliation, hence, "Open Primary". That means the same rules apply whether you are Democrat, Republican or Independent. What is against the law is asking who you voted for or whether or not you a registered to any party if it is open. After all we Democrats crossed over to vote for McCain to get the candidate we wanted Obama or Clinton to run against. So we can't cry know when the same tactic is applied to our primary now can we. If we do we look like a bunch of cry baby idiots. Go Obama!

Posted by Bondaroid at 03/25/2008 @ 1:46pm
I Plegde Allegance; To the Libs.......

I would love to see these charges brought; just to see them laughed out of court and hefty lawyer's fees tacked on the plaintiffs. Why don't you go after the Dem crossovers? Libs can dish it out; but when the tables are turned, they can't take it. I think all 3 candidates are poor choices; but denying people their Rights still will never fly in the USA. I guess El Rushbo still does have some power - don't bury him yet! Attention Libs: Just keep on spending....Lawsuits, MI & FL revote, Primary Election: and I am really looking forward to the Smackdown in Denver. I'll see you at the Crossover in May; Back Home Again in Indiana. Please, please, try to go after Rush! He would eat you like Roy's tiger!

Posted by Nob City at 03/25/2008 @ 1:47pm
chicagobears-If you'd get informed you'll discover that democrats are voting in record numbers.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 1:47pm
nobcity-It has nothing to do with liberals.Do you,also,go by frankshitz and libzsuk?

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 1:48pm
Okay, somebody answer this for me-

when registered Democrats crossed over and registered as Republicans to vote for McCain, they were being "patriotic". Why is this any different? Saying that you have to vote strictly for the party you have registered potentially eliminates ANY crossover voting, and would completely remove Independents from the voting process. There's no way you can make a logical case for it, and to even suggest that somebody be arrested and charged with "voter fraud" in light of crossing over like this is foolish and naive.

btw, that loyalty oath that the Ohio Democrat party has registrants sign when they register is unConstitutional...look it up if you don't believe me. If there are any charges of "voter fraud", expect that to be used to strike them down.

Posted by dealwithit at 03/25/2008 @ 1:49pm
nobcity-the only thing Rush eats is oxycotin and too much food.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 1:49pm
r.e.: chicagobears-If you'd get informed you'll discover that democrats are voting in record numbers. Posted by I'M NOBODY 03/25/2008 @ 1:47pm

...AND REPUBLICANS!!! ( (in Lib clothing...)

Posted by Nob City at 03/25/2008 @ 1:49pm

HEIL THE NATION! HEIL HILLARY! WHERE ARE YOUR VOTING PAPERS? NO PAPERS! SHOOT THIS MAN. YOU WOMAN! NO PAPERS, GAS THIS WOMAN! YOU ARE 18 AND THIS IS YOUR FIRST VOTE? WHERE ARE YOUR LOYALTY PAPERS? NO LOYALTY PAPERS? HANG THIS KID FROM THE NEAREST TREE!! HEIL HILLARY! HIEL LIBERALISM! HEIL THE NATION!

Posted by StoneMan at 03/25/2008 @ 1:50pm

nobcity-the republicans make up the minority.Please,get informed instead of just repeating nonsense spewed by Rush.Please,prove that you can think for yourself.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 1:51pm

HEY I"M NOBODY

I wrote "why don't the rest of you Dems vote."

Record numbers or not, many liberals/dems are smoking a joint instead of voting for their future.

Maybe you need more than record numbers, maybe you should get up and do something instead of being on this forum...I've done my job, how bout' you do yours.

Posted by chicagobears at 03/25/2008 @ 1:51pm

r.e.: nobcity-the only thing Rush eats is oxycotin and too much food.

Posted by I'M NOBODY 03/25/2008 @ 1:49pm

Well played. Your wit is amazing. I know it, & You know it.

Posted by Nob City at 03/25/2008 @ 1:51pm

nobcity-If you'd get informed you'll discover that most democrats aren't liberals and many liberals are not democrats.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 1:52pm

Huh?

Posted by chicagobears at 03/25/2008 @ 1:54pm

chigobears-I'm not a democrat and my state already had it's primary.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 1:54pm

geez louise! look at all the brainless, dimly evil rushbo juju zombies!

the shallow end of the gene pool overfloweth!

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 1:55pm

libzsuk-You are correct.A Marxist would be a Marxist.Brilliant observation..

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 1:56pm

geez louise! look at all the brainless, dimly evil rushbo juju zombies!

the shallow end of the gene pool overfloweth!

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 1:56pm

libzsuk-You're the one that claims that liberals have primaries,but can't say when these primaries take place.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 1:57pm

Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 03/25/2008 @ 1:44pmM

Yes, IBB, I do understand. And as for my oldest, I truly want to knock the fool out of him (lol). All that hard work his father and I put into him. Sometimes he don't have the sense God gave a goose. (lol)

Posted by ACook at 03/25/2008 @ 1:59pm

LIBERALISM IS THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE STUPID

Posted by LIBZSUCK 03/25/2008 @ 1:56pm

oh man...brilliant! proof positive of your megacephaletic superiority...

how can one compete with such a gargantuan intellect?

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 1:59pm

This is nonsense. When you arrive to vote, you are asked for your ID and your name and address are verified. Then you are asked which ballot you prefer, and the ballot is handed to you, no questions asked. Nobody has to sign anything and the poll worker has no idea how you have voted in the past. Nothing in the information the poll worker has in front of them indicates the voter's party preferences. that is the truth. There is no way anybody can ever be prosecuted for "vote fraud". I've been voting in Ohio for more than forty years, changed parties several times. This is the way it is.

Posted by Wiser Now at 03/25/2008 @ 2:00pm

r.e.: Posted by DEALWITHIT 03/25/2008 @ 1:49pm: DITTOS! (In case I'M NOBODY is monitoring me; I AM JUST A MIND NUMB ROBOT. I USE MY SECRET LISTENING DEVICE TO GET MY MARCHING ORDERS. I WILL DO AS I AM TOLD. RUSH RUNS AMERICA......)

Posted by Nob City at 03/25/2008 @ 2:01pm

Well said.

Posted by chicagobears at 03/25/2008 @ 2:02pm

The real problem is with the law in states such as OH, which can and probably should be changed. In the meantime, it certainly is worth remembering that Dems such as the Kook and his lemmings have promoted the same kind of tactics. In fact, many Dems seem to love this kind of insurgent grassroots attack-the-Establishment stick-it-to-the-Man kind of "activism." It's amazing to hear so many Dems belatedly (and selectively) converting to the side of "law and order."

Posted by feinfein at 03/25/2008 @ 2:02pm

Wow, lots of Rushbots here today. Welcome aboard, dittoheads.

Personally, I have no problem with crossover voters in states that are open primaries. Alls fair and all that jazz. However, in states that are closed primaries, it's just plain wrong, for either side to cross over and vote with malicious intent. If there are laws on the books that cover this then they need to be upheld. If there aren't any laws, PLEASE don't go and make more! Karma will take care of it.

Signed, Silly Hippy

Posted by FritztheCat at 03/25/2008 @ 2:02pm

Posted by ACOOK 03/25/2008 @ 1:59pm | ignore this person

they just don't think with their brain at that age. i'm sure you guys raised him right...just not much you can do after a certain point, you know?

ah, free will...lol...

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 2:03pm

Funny, I never heard these kinds of outrageous statements while democrats were voting in New Hampshire and other early primaries, propelling McCain back into the race. After all, if it wasn't for democrats voting on the republican primaries McCain wouldn't likely be the nominee. But now by telling people to vote, Limbauagh is the bad guy. You leftists are so hypocritical and transparent is laughable. Grow up. now you're going to threaten voters with jail??? And who is it that's supressing voting rights?? Who is requring some loyalty oath to vote??? Who is intimidating voters?? As usual, the liberal socialsts.

Posted by Of Sound Mind at 03/25/2008 @ 2:03pm

Posted by LIBZSUCK 03/25/2008 @ 2:00pm | ignore this person

oh my...the mental andre the giant lumbers on!

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 2:05pm

As usual, the liberal socialsts.

Posted by OF SOUND MIND 03/25/2008 @ 2:03pm

nice dimwit lie, dittohead zombie. ah, projection of one's own crimes and perfidy! staple of the fascist right!

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 2:07pm

ofsoundmind-I don't care about crossover voting but,Democrats are not the reason that McCain is the nominee.Republican apathy is the reason McCain is the nominee.You ditto heads are quite ignorant as to what a liberal is and what a democrat is.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 2:08pm

I wonder if someone that has been around for awhile can fill me in. I'm going to guess that probably half of the posts here now are some form of "conservative". I'd say the bulk engage in some form of trolling and then there are a few that I think are willing to engage in more of less reasonable dialogue, even the John Maashs, Happy, even LVL.

Do you think there is an election effect that brings more trolls here? I'm sure that there is an article effect as can be seen here with Rush and previously with Ron Paul supporters (while rapid were nothing like those that listen to Rush).

I ask because I'm thinking about spending less time in this forum. I think the signal to noise ratio has gotten to unacceptable levels and wonder if perhaps it might get better once the election is over. Also, I'm aware that there is an ignore feature, but I've now gotten around the 30s in the number of people that are on it - and the trolls keep on trolling.

It would be nice if they had comment moderation and perhaps some penalties for users with a habit for engaging in flaming and trolling. At some point, The Nation will have to implement some kind of feature like that or find their forums have become as useful as Usenet.

Anyway, any thoughts would be appreciated.

Posted by srjenkins at 03/25/2008 @ 2:09pm

R.E: nobcity-It has nothing to do with liberals.Do you,also,go by frankshitz and libzsuk? Posted by I'M NOBODY 03/25/2008 @ 1:48pm

No, but thanks for the compliment.

Posted by Nob City at 03/25/2008 @ 2:10pm

Posted by SRJENKINS 03/25/2008 @ 2:09pm | ignore this person

its a rushbo zombie infestation of some form. enjoy the lurid spectacle of subidiot fascists shuffling about famished for much lacking brains.

but just don't pity them. shoot when you've soaked it in enough.

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 2:12pm

nobcity-You weren't being complimented,but,I'm not surprised that you see it that way.You are a ditto head.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 2:14pm

Posted by I'M NOBODY 03/25/2008 @ 2:14pm | ignore this person

"brains...brains...BRAINS..."

shoot for the head...

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 2:15pm

McCain is probably the one pushing this.He would love to see Rush quieted.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 2:15pm

Hey Ari

Bring it on you sorry sack of shit.....No one will touch Limbaugh because you know damn well you nitwit LIBZ crossed over and gave us John McCain in several states...

I fucking DARE anyone to try any sort of prosecution...They will be laughed out of court....

Posted by FRANKSHITZ 03/25/2008 @ 12:01pm

There is a difference here and I am sure a keen troll mind like yours is unable to see it. Limbaugh is involved in a conspiracy to commit voter fraud. There you go. Ohio might not be able to prove every individual count of voter fraud, but for every bad faith vote, there is a possibility that Rush was supporting and encouraging this illegal act.

Posted by Tzimisce at 03/25/2008 @ 2:16pm

r.e.: nobcity-You weren't being complimented,but,I'm not surprised that you see it that way.You are a ditto head. Posted by I'M NOBODY 03/25/2008 @ 2:14pm

Again, Thanks for the Compliment! (This is way too easy.)

Posted by Nob City at 03/25/2008 @ 2:16pm

Posted by LIBZSUCK 03/25/2008 @ 2:15pm | ignore this person

oh hey libzsuck! we were just dicussing how your fascist heros are evil sociopaths. would you like some vegan scones and herbal tea?

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 2:17pm

Oh sorry when one responds to Frankshitz, they should intersperse caps, excessive punctuations and of course puns using a person's name. Essentially, act like a twelve year old.

Posted by Tzimisce at 03/25/2008 @ 2:17pm

ibb-A bullet to the head of a ditto head would be pointless.No brain.A heart shot would be pointless,too.No heart.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 2:18pm

Posted by NOB CITY 03/25/2008 @ 2:16pm | ignore this person

oh i know libzsuck. you sir, are no libzsuck! lol...

(which is beyond pathetic...)

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 2:19pm

libzsuk-You guys don't care about Iraqis or anyone else.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 2:20pm

Libz stick with one handle, I don't want to have a long "ignore this person" list.

Posted by Tzimisce at 03/25/2008 @ 2:20pm

GOD HOW I DETEST LIBZ AND THE LIARS THAT THEY TRULY ARE

Posted by LIBZSUCK 03/25/2008 @ 2:18pm | i

such projection, dimly wicked one! how bout the 100,000+ dead iraqis as a result of our stupid fascist bumbling?

geez...you fascists and yer humanzee manchurian candidate and all his evil handlers! what wonderful pack of satnic fascists!

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 2:22pm

libzsuk-First you'll have to find out what a lib is before you can defeat them.You have more ids than your average criminal.Is that a habit you've gotten into?

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 2:22pm

Bravo, Ari!

Posted by Alaska Gal at 03/25/2008 @ 2:23pm

Posted by I'M NOBODY 03/25/2008 @ 2:18pm | ignore this person

decapitate? immolate? defenestrate? how DO you destroy a zombie?

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 2:27pm

Boy the angry Republicans! After 8 years the President did not stand up and fight against the Democrats, we spent money, increased government, voted for the war, and blamed it on him, now they want to fight. We lobbied Greenspan to lower the interest rates causing the run on housing. We even blamed the Housing crisis on the President after we lobbied the Mortgage companies to relax its lending rules, give zero down loans and Adjustable Rate Mortgages to poeple who could not afford but where to stupid to see it. We called it "getting a piece of the American Dream". It was a great plan after all the surge was working in Iraq and not enough people were dying so we needed the economy to go into the tank, are our worked paid off, we blamed it on the President. The thing you Republicans don't get is we feed off misery, without it we are lost. Do you remember the financial problems created by Gray Davis in California, do you remember the strategy that was broadcast accidentaly through the state house, our strategy was to keep the financial misery going in order to get votes. But we where found out and we lost to Schwarzenegger. Do you remember our voting manual from Colorado during the Kerry/Bush campaign, we were instructed to yell voter fraud even if there was none to cast doubt on the election. Now we put up the number one most liberal Senator for President, a man who has no experience and a woman in Hillary that people hate, yet in the end we will win because we vote on emotion not on facts. Fighting it now is a little to late. The march of Socialism is now on and you conservatives will not support McCain even though he has a 80% conservative rating to 0% for Obama and 5% for Hillary. We will take your money and property because we know how to better spend it, we will give it to someone else in more need. And all this was accomplished because you did not fight.

Posted by Bondaroid at 03/25/2008 @ 2:27pm

ibb-Zombies have always been with us and always will be with us.They can't be destroyed,but can be amusing, in a sick sort of way..

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 2:30pm

Posted by LIBZSUCK 03/25/2008 @ 2:26pm | ignore this person

nazi? i thought i was a commie? you see, LIBZ, lefty authoritarian evil is COMMERNIST or STALINIST or MAOIST or KHMER ROUGE, while rightwing evil authoitarianism is NAZI or FASCIST or FALANGIST...ok?

so now that you know some politics stuff, you can flame more accurately. meanwhile there's some doubleplusgood veggieburgers browning on the grill. better get you one before they're all gone!

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 2:30pm

while rightwing evil authoitarianism is NAZI or FASCIST or FALANGIST...ok?

oh oh oh! or NEOCON...

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 2:32pm

I have to laugh at the postings from the supposed tolerant and enlightened and free speech party. I guess its only free and tolerated if you agree with them. If not, you're compared to a nazi or zombie or some such reasonable discourse. I suspect it is indicative of the readership of the Nation.

Posted by Of Sound Mind at 03/25/2008 @ 2:33pm

Posted by I'M NOBODY 03/25/2008 @ 2:30pm | ignore this person

woodchipper, a can of gasoline and a box of long matches...

unless you wanta pull a "sean of the dead" and chain em up out back to play video games with...

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 2:34pm

Posted by FRANKGRITS 03/25/2008 @ 1:33pm

Hey, hey...FRANK's "back"!

I knew if ANYTHING could draw out his old nick....it'd be a Limbaugh story.

He can't resist! Hey, FG, how's it going?

BTW...Would you take a "sniper bullet in Bosnia" for your Dark Queen?

Posted by Mask at 03/25/2008 @ 2:36pm

Posted by OF SOUND MIND 03/25/2008 @ 2:33pm | ignore this person

i suspect you are a typically ignorant nazi zombie whose only sense of humor involves ridiculing and nitpicking your intellectual and moral superiors you concrete objective thinking fascist crybaby.

get out of the kitchen if its too hot boohoo baby!

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 2:36pm

I think folks are giving Limbaugh WWWAAAYYYY to much credit.....

Posted by bleedingheart at 03/25/2008 @ 2:38pm

Posted by LIBZSUCK 03/25/2008 @ 2:34pm | ignore this person

read mien kampf, and a college reading list of authors on the subject and think for yourself you idiotic fascist zombie. try thinking your own thoughts for once instead of parroting your propagandists' talking points.

oh no...that would be too hard...original thinkin's hard stuff fer you morons...

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 2:39pm

Why the uproar? The voters won't be deciding the nominee for the Democrats, it will be those super-delegates. How democratic is that?

Posted by spike102 at 03/25/2008 @ 2:40pm

ofsoundmind-Hopefully,you aren't as ignorant as your post says that you are.The fact that the ditto heads come on here repeating what they're told to repeat is their fault.The fact that they have no original thoughts is their fault.The fact that they,obviously,have no clue as to what a liberal is is,of course,their fault.If you portray yourself as a mindless zombie then you should not be surprised if someone refers to as a zombie.As you know,the name calling goes both ways,but you are dishonest and did not mention that fact.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 2:40pm

Posted by MASK 03/25/2008 @ 2:36pm | ignore this person

lol - heeees baaaack!

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 2:41pm

actually, MASK, like an angry, invisible, petty god, he's been watching and fuming unseen the whole time...har har har!

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 2:42pm

libzsuk-What have you ever done to prove love of America besides whine on here?I know that your ego tells you that you decide who is pro America and who isn't,but life isn't like that.You aren't that important despite your claim that you are.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 2:43pm

Posted by DEALWITHIT 03/25/2008 @ 1:49pm | ignore this person

you might wish to work on reading comprehension.

it is a state by state issue, not a matter which party did it.

Posted by emile duBois at 03/25/2008 @ 2:45pm

I'm Nobody.

It IS working! The point isn't to get Hillary elected, but to prolong the dem primary cycle and let them eat themselves alive. Which is exactly what Obama & Clinton are doing to each other and the party. The longer it goes on, the less time the dem nominee will have to actually campaign against McCain.

On this side of the fence, it is obvious that Hillary doesn't have a chance to pull out the nomination. It's just fun to sit and watch the dems rip each other apart!

Posted by GOP4ever at 03/25/2008 @ 2:46pm

I'm Nobody...

Though I don't agree with you...I have to give you some kudo's! Anyone that can use a "sean of the dead" reference can't be all that bad!

Posted by GOP4ever at 03/25/2008 @ 2:49pm

Mr. GOP4EVER Don't underestimate the chances of Hilary still getting the nomination....the primaries don't count, only the "superdelegates", so its very likely she will steal it at the convention. She is a Clinton after all. That will really piss off the ObamaNation.

Posted by Of Sound Mind at 03/25/2008 @ 2:51pm

GOP4ever-Hillary wasn't going to drop out even if no republicans voted for her.You have accomplished nothing by voting for her,but wasting your time.Of course,many of you,obviously,have no lives and so you wasted your time so you could feel important.Reality is that you are irrelevant.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 2:51pm

BTW, you know what "Operation: Chaos" shows about ol' Rush's thinking, don't you?

That he's scared s**tless of Obama winning and coming out of the Convention with a united Democratic Party.

Now, why would he be thinking that...unless he knows McCain is fundamentally weak against Obama, both on style and the issues?????

Posted by Mask at 03/25/2008 @ 2:51pm

Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 03/25/2008 @ 2:42pm

Probably true. And he's waiting for Pennsylvania and "her comeback" so he can FINALLY "gloat after the primaries"--

("You know, I think I'm going to take a break from this site. I'm feeling unchallanged. I'll be back after the primaries to gloat. Later."----Posted by FRANKGRITS 11/28/2007 @ 6:29pm

Posted by Mask at 03/25/2008 @ 2:54pm

Posted by GOP4EVER 03/25/2008 @ 2:49pm | ignore this person

that was me, facsist4ever...i'll be out back to your shed to play some civ4 in a second...

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 2:54pm

Posted by MASK 03/25/2008 @ 2:54pm | ignore this person

like an angry, unseen, petty, fuming, godling...watching unwatched...making his list of enemies and checking it twice...lol...

where'd all these el rushbo juju zombies come from? heehee...its like one moment everythings hunky dory and suddenly...

ZOMBIE BASH!!!!

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 2:59pm

ibbleblibble,

Sorry for the misapplied kudo's.

Posted by GOP4ever at 03/25/2008 @ 3:00pm

Rush couldn't influence the GOP primaries which made him feel irrelevant so he decided to try and be relevant again by influencing the democrats primaries,but he won't and he will become even more irrelevant.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 3:05pm

Posted by GOP4EVER 03/25/2008 @ 3:00pm | ignore this person

no prob. where's your potty mouthed friend, libzsux? no prob. that stuff gets exhausting after a while. lol...

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 3:08pm

It seems to me that it isn't any of any person's or political party's business who an individual votes for. There aren't regulations stating that someone must vote a particular way. There can't even be loyalty requirements -- just because someone is registered to a particular party does not mean they are required to vote for that party. This is pathetic.

Posted by smartgal at 03/25/2008 @ 3:43pm

BAH-HAH-HAH-HA! The Republicans finally give you a taste of your own medicine and you don't like it one bit! This is EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID in 2000 and 2004.

Posted by msspurlock at 03/25/2008 @ 4:14pm

Well, it is nice to see you Libs finally recognize how EFFECTIVE Rush is. He does run the country ya know. You guys have failed to silence him for nearly 20 years now. What makes you think you'll ever succeed? :)

Posted by El Rushbo at 03/25/2008 @ 4:20pm

r.e.: Rush couldn't influence the GOP primaries which made him feel irrelevant so he decided to try and be relevant again by influencing the democrats primaries,but he won't and he will become even more irrelevant. Posted by I'M NOBODY 03/25/2008 @ 3:05pm

If El Rushbo can't influence the Lib Primaries, then doesn't that make all of this is a non-story? There sure are a lot of posts here for something hundreds of thousands of people decided to do by themselves. Don't you get it? Rush has you all running, like Charlie Daniels said; "With your tails on fire and your ass is a catchin'". He is toying with you. Maybe it was Lib crossovers who pushed McCain to the GOP nomination? No, they would never stoop that low. Now Available in the EIB Store: Operation Chaos T-shirts, Caps, and Stickers!

Posted by Nob City at 03/25/2008 @ 4:26pm

Posted by FRANKGRITS 03/25/2008 @ 1:23pm

Hey FG ... sorry to not see you here so much these days. While I don't always agree, I have great respect. Hope you do pop in now and then.

Libz

I take it by "Real Humericans" you mean low-brow mouth-breathers like yourself ... and besides, what's the matter with having an intellectual in the WH? Wouldn't you rather have someone running the country who knows his ass from a hat-rack? Soon Crawford will have its idiots back and whichever Dem wins will be better than "100-years of war and having a senior moment"- McCain

Posted by leftofcenter at 03/25/2008 @ 4:29pm

nobcity-Libs don't have primaries.Rush isn't making anyone run nor is he toying with anyone.He is desperate to be relevant,again since McCain got the nomination against his wishes.Democrats were not out voting for McCain.Democratic primaries are too close for Democrats to be playing games although,I'm sure that they would play games if the shoe was on the other foot,but that's not the case this year..

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 4:34pm

Posted by EL RUSHBO 03/25/2008 @ 4:20pm

Wherever there is hatred and bigotry, there will be ignorant ill-informed fear-mongers like Rush who somehow, between his own scandals, manages to beat the "holier-than-thou" war drum and inspires the craven, cowardly and derisive sots like yourself.

Posted by leftofcenter at 03/25/2008 @ 4:35pm

Posted by LIBZSUCK 03/25/2008 @ 4:32pm | ignore this person

how bout "depraved mullato"? thats a good one.

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 4:35pm

libzsuk-I doubt that Barack Milhouse Osama will get any votes come November..Brilliant prediction.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 4:40pm

Posted by LIBZSUCK 03/25/2008 @ 4:32pm

Your use of "half-breed racist" bespeaks your true colors nitwit. Have a little problem with with a "black-ish" man in the WHITE house do we? Are you a card-carrying Klansman? Wake up and smell the coffee trailer troll cause the GOP doesn't stand a chance this fall.

Posted by leftofcenter at 03/25/2008 @ 4:41pm

Oh I agree. We must have people follow every voter to make sure they vote properly. We might also make the voters guess how many jellybeans are in a jar to see who can vote. That could work. Or maybe find out who doesn't agree with liberals and make them wear some kind of symbol on their chest? We'd better find a way to get inside the minds of people, find out what they're thinking and why they're thinking it, and if it's any good for "right thinking" people! We're gonna need phone taps, surveillance and most importantly informants! We will point out who is responsible!

Jeez the only thing funnier than the rage here is the sheer impotence! LOL!

(I'll see how long this post stays up - LOL!)

Posted by Jersey Dave at 03/25/2008 @ 4:48pm

Posted by I'M NOBODY 03/25/2008 @ 4:40pm

Posted by LEFTOFCENTER 03/25/2008 @ 4:41pm

Guys, you DO realize that every time you respond directly to LIBZ, he probably....touchs...himself...don't you?

heheh

Posted by Mask at 03/25/2008 @ 4:53pm

You know we're doing something right if it pisses this many people off. At first I was apprehensive about boosting Clinton in any way shape or form. But this is too much fun!

I love the attacks on us Rush listeners. Typical elitist comments without any merit or knowledge of the facts. The author of this ridiculous article also tends towards the factually challenged. If he'd cared to check further, he would have seen that Ohio law does not require voters to have or declare a party affiliation either during registration or voting;

Do I declare my political party affiliation when I register?

No. Under Ohio law, your political party affiliation is determined by the ballot you cast in a partisan primary election. [fairfieldelections.com]

If you read the link to the Ohio law referenced in this article you realize it is up to the local judge of elections to decide the voters party affiliation based on past votes and to challenge those who they believe are insincere concerning their reasons for voting for a particular candidate or for requesting a particular ballot. The voter is only required to sign a pledge to a particular party if the judge of elections doesn't believe the voter after the challenge.

The investigation, and even the law itself is at least silly, and could not stand constitutional scrutiny.

This author is either incompetent or deceptive, either way his credibility suffers. I am continually amazed at the inability of most of the media to spend the mere minutes it takes to research and report actual facts instead of this unadulterated bull!

Posted by fatboy02 at 03/25/2008 @ 4:54pm

DEAL WITH IT talk about a bunch of whinny liberal dribble. You can't prove a single person. And for that matter it won't stand up in court well it might if you get one of your whack job liberal activist judges. besides any Democrat that registered and supports the war on Terror is a felon or a Democrat who wants lower taxes in Ohio is a felon. Or a Democrat actually believes in equal rights as opposed to what you freaks speak of when you talk of equal rights... Plain and simple another pack of lib cry babies not happy because elRushbo out smarted you again...

Posted by zacobw at 03/25/2008 @ 5:03pm

If you read the link to the Ohio law referenced in this article you realize it is up to the local judge of elections to decide the voters party affiliation based on past votes and to challenge those who they believe are insincere concerning their reasons for voting for a particular candidate or for requesting a particular ballot. The voter is only required to sign a pledge to a particular party if the judge of elections doesn't believe the voter after the challenge

Posted by FATBOY02 03/25/2008 @ 4:54pm | ignore this person

sounds like some could get arrested then...

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 5:08pm

Posted by MASK 03/25/2008 @ 4:53pm

So that's why its ALL CAPS ... cause he can' only use 1 hand on the keyboard.

Yes, Its cruel, but sometimes its fun to tease the monkeys at the zoo just to watch them gibber and sling feces.

Posted by leftofcenter at 03/25/2008 @ 5:09pm

I ordered my "Operation Chaos" shirt, hat, and bumper stickers last Friday. Politics has never been so much fun. I get up every day and can't wait to read what the Dems have said about each other lately.

Go conservatism! Go Pennsylvania Republicans! Go Rush! [rushlimbaugh.com]

Posted by TheVig at 03/25/2008 @ 5:10pm

Does the hat come in red?

Posted by maxwellsmart at 03/25/2008 @ 5:10pm

Posted by JERSEY DAVE 03/25/2008 @ 4:48pm | ignore this person

actually, ignoramus, the folks here are remarkably tolerant - as long as you don't post personal info or overtly pornographic material your post is quite safe. we have an avowed nazi who posts regularly and considering the number of jewish editors i think that speaks a lot.

however i wonder how many words i could get in calling your blobulant, pill popping god, rush, on his program! lol...

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 5:12pm

This is fantastic news! Go ahead and prosecute Limbaugh. Go ahead and make more of a spectacle of yourselves Dems! I would love to see liberal judges prosecute a citizen for voting for a Democrat! I find it very odd that in 2000 the Dems were crying about how the electoral college needs to be done away with and then in 2004 the Dems were crying because the electoral college was the only thing that was going to save John Kerry! Can't you people see what a bunch of whiney, sniveling little children you are? Go ahead...prosecute away. Eventually, normal, thinking Americans are going to get so fed up with these childish antics that everyone will just sit home and play with their X-Box.

Posted by tonsil at 03/25/2008 @ 5:13pm

this entire thread is pretty much a new low for the nation's level of discourse. I appreciate that they don't censor voices from the right interested in legitimate debate, but this thread is pathetic. I always knew that limbaugh listeners were a fairly dim bunch, but this moron-a-thon is beyond laughable. I can almost see the flecks of froth and spittle erupting from their rabid mouths as they type their insipid gibberish with one hand, stroking a weapon with the other, "minds" ensconsed in perverse fantasies about gunning down "traitorous demonrat marxist pedophile nazi libz." "never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience"

Posted by entropy at 03/25/2008 @ 5:18pm

Any voter can vote for whomever they want for any reason. In a closed primary only registered party members can vote in their party's primary. In Ohio you designate your party by asking for the ballot you want. The "pledge" is unconstitutional and is offered by Democrats only! So all of this talk about felonies is laugh out loud embarrasing for Democrats. LOL

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 5:23pm

zacobw-The only people that Rush outsmarts are the morons who listen to him and make him money.He plays with you and not us.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 5:24pm

tonsil-Liberal judges don't prosecute anyone.Nor do conservative judges.Prosecutors prosecute people which is why they're called prosecutors.Rush should start teaching you people the basics so you sound smarter.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 5:27pm

Rush needs to change the name to CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE, burn a few cars, flags, bra's... and then you'd be on board. You libs are soooo blind to your racism, sexism, ect... remember as you point the finger at Rush you have 3 fingers pointing back at yourself. Get real, and be honest with yourself before getting on your sanctimonious soapbox!

Posted by tnanney at 03/25/2008 @ 5:28pm

tnanney-Find out what a liberal is so you'll sound smarter.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 5:29pm

Correct me if I am wrong but haven't Obama and Hillary been courting GOP voters to cross over and vote for them? Shouldn't they also be indicted for inciting such a thing? Also, when did voting for whomever you wanted to know, regardless of reason, become a crime in this country? Oath to the Democratic Party is being talked about. Oath to a party is really scary. All this talk of restricting how one votes sure does smack of good old Soviet-style Stalinism.

Posted by Steelhorse at 03/25/2008 @ 5:33pm

Ditto heads lack basic education.Not one knows what a liberal is and most claim that liberals have primaries even though they don't.A ditto head said that judges,and not prosecutors,prosecute people.Rush found a gold mine when he found these people and he cons them daily.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 5:34pm

libzsuk-osama isn't running for anything.Duh.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 5:36pm

r.e.: Rush couldn't influence the GOP primaries which made him feel irrelevant so he decided to try and be relevant again by influencing the democrats primaries,but he won't and he will become even more irrelevant. Posted by I'M NOBODY 03/25/2008 @ 3:05pm

100,000 Lib Voters in Ohio; 119,000 in Texas; 38,000 in Mississippi; all GOP crossovers. 161,000 new Lib registrations in Pennsylvania. I don't know how many are GOP; but I would bet at least 100,000.

Posted by Nob City at 03/25/2008 @ 5:37pm

I'm Nobody... You'll sound smarter if you just stop posting. ha ha jk. :)

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 5:37pm

nobcity-You haven't a clue as to whether or not those are lib voters.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 5:38pm

The constitution protects my right to privacy regarding who I vote for or why. This makes the Ohio law unconstitutional and subject to be over turned by the supreme court. Also, a true Christian Conservative does not degrade themselves with fowl language so, please clean it up.

Posted by constitution at 03/25/2008 @ 5:39pm

Libzsuck, you might want to wipe the foam off your chin. You would do well to realize you don't try to slay a grizzly bear with a willow switch. If you tried to follow the example of Mr. W Buckley you would greatly improve the efficacy of your point, which fortunately your hair hides. You don't eradicate fireants by kicking the mound.

Posted by Benchrest at 03/25/2008 @ 5:39pm

r.e.: nobcity-You haven't a clue as to whether or not those are lib voters.Posted by I'M NOBODY 03/25/2008 @ 5:38pm

I tell you what - I know they ain't all Libs! Start living in the Real World, man! I've got to sign off and go to work now - see you at the Welfare Office.

Posted by Nob City at 03/25/2008 @ 5:41pm

When did Ohio turn into Communist Russia with the KGB hunting down those who have committed "voter fraud"?! It is stupidity like this that further shows why Liberalism must be crushed and its heads cut off and burned like the Hydra from Greek mythology. I can't stand reading this tripe written by you silly, liberal, college students who can't think for yourselves and just soak up what your moronic professors tell you. Grow up! And try interacting with people in person for a change...

Posted by Right_Minded at 03/25/2008 @ 5:43pm

graphicdave-Have I said anything that was incorrect?Do judges prosecute people or do prosecutors do that?Do liberals have primaries like most of the ditto heads have claimed or do democrats have primaries?

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 5:44pm

nobcity-Get a job so you can get off of welfare.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 5:45pm

rightminded-This has nothing to do with liberals.You can't crush liberalism.You don't even know what it is.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 5:46pm

you have been giving advice on how to sound smarter so I offered my two cents... for laughs only ...and I'll stop laughing eventually.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 5:47pm

graphicdave-I'm just trying to educate some Rush people,but it's difficult since they don't have basic information.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 5:48pm

Every ditto head post includes the word liberal even though liberals have nothing to do with this.I guess,rush told them to say that.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 5:49pm

I've heard Rush this week on this subject. You should listen tomorrow. Then maybe you can sound smarter on what a conservative is, on what a contemporary liberal is (in regards to present day politics) You seem to have a pretty strong opinion of what kind of person is a Rush fan but it sounds like you're just making yourself feel better.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 5:55pm

Posted by I'M NOBODY 03/25/2008 @ 5:49pm | ignore this person

and i get two posts pulled on the previous blog! wow. go figger...

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 5:56pm

Back on the subject... Rush, realizing that McCain is a lock for the Republican nomination is having fun, and prolonging the Democrat's primary battle. His plan has paid off in a far greater way for those of us who are enjoying the self inflicted blood bath that Mrs. Clinton and Barak are involved in.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 5:57pm

Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 03/25/2008 @ 5:56pm | ignore this person

rather on the next blog...

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/25/2008 @ 6:01pm

Mark, what part of the word "illegal" don't you understand? And ACook, how is breaking election laws gonna increase voter turnout? It is manipulating the system illegally. How can you defend that? And the issue isn't whether they can prosecute the people who did it. It's that they should prosecute the ringleader/drug abuser for a conspiracy to encourage illegal tampering in Ohio elections.

Posted by MHat at 03/25/2008 @ 6:04pm

graphicdave-I haven't made any statements about conservatives so I'm unsure as to why you believe I could sound smarter about conservatives.That made no sense,but you listen to Rush.I know what a conservative is.I know what a liberal is and know that they don't have primaries.There is no reason for me to listen to Rush since I don't listen to hate mongers.It's obvious as to what kind of person listens to Rush.Read their posts.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 6:09pm

Hey MHAT, It would SEEM to be illegal but what part of the word "unconstitutional" don't you understand? Voters can vote for whomever they want for whatever reason they want. This "pledge" is a soviet style, paranoid attempt to intimidate people ...and it's unconstitutional and undemocratic. So if you don't care about democracy keep talkin'

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 6:11pm

I'm Nobody, I think you just made my point. You go on thinking who the hate mongers are.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 6:14pm

Man, you Rush listeners really ought to get out more. You guys are just full of piss and venom. It's amazing to me to see such vile hate pouring forth from human beings. I'm thinking Rush must be getting paranoid by all this by sending his listeners here to spread their hate and discontent. And to top it off, it's only Tuesday! You guys have four more days before you can get back to church and pray for forgiveness for your sins!

Posted by FritztheCat at 03/25/2008 @ 6:19pm

"Must have hit it close to the mark to get 'em all riled up like that." - Han Solo.

Demanding people be thrown in jail for voting is _not_ "Remarkably tolerant," IBBLEBLIBBLE. If you don't understand why not, you are beyond help.

Posted by Jersey Dave at 03/25/2008 @ 6:24pm

The evil Republicans are at it again. Obama can't unite his party, doesn't know what his pastor and mentor has been saying for over twenty years, has never compromised with members of the opposite party, has Anti-Jewish members of his campaign, has no ideas other than change(change what?), but he is going to unite and lead this country. Yeah right!

Posted by sleas at 03/25/2008 @ 6:30pm

This has got to be one of the saddest string of posts I've seen on the nation site since I started reading it nearly four years ago. I think I'm going to stick just reading the blogs and skipping the posts the downright HATE being spewed on these pages is pathetic.

Kids, get google toolbar, it can spell check for you and that little button to the left of your pinky....it's the cap lock key, learn to use it.

Everyone pay attention, these fools are your enemy. If the push came to shove they'd kill all of us. Don't think for a second that politics doesn't matter, and barring that; learn to handle a gun, cause this hatred isn't going anywhere anytime soon....

Posted by TheCraftyB at 03/25/2008 @ 6:32pm

graphicdave-I did not make your point and,hopefully,you know that.I have not mentioned conservatives as you claimed that I have.I'm quite aware as to who the hate mongers are and know that they exist on both sides,but that fact doesn't change what Rush is.Please,just respond to what I've posted and don't make up things that I did not post.It's not my fault that the ditto head thought that judges prosecute people nor is it my fault that Rush fans think that liberals hold primaries.Its their fault for not having basic knowledge.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 6:43pm

Is there really a law that restricts the ability of an American citizen to vote the way they want? Really? How do the idiots plan on proving what I thought when I took the ballot? I have to say that law ranks right up there with not being able to beat a liberal on Sunday in town (out of town is ok). Stupid!

Posted by BigAlt56 at 03/25/2008 @ 6:43pm

>>

Don't you think that projecting your own dilusional thoughts of murder because of political discourse are a bit over the top? Kinda like insighting a riot. That is downright hateful.

Disagreement does not equal hate.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 6:43pm

bigal-You talk tough for a guy that's hiding behind a computer.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 6:47pm

Hey I'm Nobody! Of course I am not claiming that you mentioned anything about conservatives however, you have mentioned that you know what a liberal is and listening to Rush is one way of learning what it means to be a modern day conservative. Since modern liberals offer "solutions" in contrast to what modern conservatives offer it would be a good lesson.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 6:49pm

Hold the outrage, folks. I distinctly remember some years ago (2000? 1992?) a national news broadcast which contained a clip of a black minister, preaching to his flock, and shocking them during a primary, by asking them "To become Republicans..." and then, after a pause he smiled, and said: "For one day!" There was a brief flap about this being done in a tax-exempt church, but of course nothing ever came of that. The double-standards of Democrats are awesome to behold.

Posted by DanDan at 03/25/2008 @ 6:49pm

graphicdave-In no way shape or form would listening to Rush give me any knowledge of conservatives.I prefer to talk to my friends who are conservatives.They find Rush to be an embarrassment.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/25/2008 @ 6:53pm

Posted by THECRAFTYB 03/25/2008 @ 6:32pm

Crafty, normally these threads aren't so bad. There's usually a good bit of spirited discussion but nothing like today. I chalk this up as an isolated thread due mostly to Rush's last name being in the title which has brought out some of his more unhinged listeners.

Posted by FritztheCat at 03/25/2008 @ 6:54pm

I'm Nobody, Interesting. You and your friends apparently know nothing about this story execpt from the buzz around town. When challenged to take a listen and perhaps learn something you refuse. ...hmm, very telling

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 7:05pm

Here is Rush's reaction to the Nation story... don't be afraid, it's pretty funny actually. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_032508/content/01125110.gues t.html

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 7:07pm

here's that link [rushlimbaugh.com] You're gonna have to scroll down and click on the story. "Left Attempts to Disenfranchise, Intimidate Operation Chaos Voters"

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 7:09pm

In response to I'm nobody, you are an idiot, you are behind a computer too you moron. I don't talk tough, I talk logic, something you wouldn't understand. Respond with your brain you punk. Answer my questions, how do you communist plan on proving my intentions? C'mon moron, explain to me how you are going to prove what I was thinking? P.S. That's Mr. BigAlT to you.

Posted by BigAlt56 at 03/25/2008 @ 7:10pm

Hey BigAlt, I'm Nobody was giving you a knee jerk reaction because he didn't understand your post. He thought it was a threat because he assumes that you and I are dolts. once again, very telling keep rockin'

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 7:13pm

Graphicdav, If Im'nobody (appropriate name I might add) doesn't know he is an idiot is he still a democrat?

Posted by BigAlt56 at 03/25/2008 @ 7:18pm

To Imnobody, When you say you are "educating Rush fans" are you trying to make educated idiot or an idiot? You can not be educated when your mind is closed. I work at a University and know a lot of educated idiots. I can spot you a mile away. P.S. I believe you just got your butt kicked by my computer!

Posted by BigAlt56 at 03/25/2008 @ 7:34pm

It is so funny that dems can only seem to complain when things don't go their way. If the same tactics are used on thier side, they just look the other way. I don't want to throw name calling bombs. I just think the whole thing stinks. The Dems setup their own way of doing stuff, take some responsibility for your own actions. Now SHUT UP and LIVE WITH IT!

Posted by diverj999 at 03/25/2008 @ 7:50pm

Interesting you should say that since it is what happened in New Hampshire. You don't even have to be a current resident there, just say that you intend to move there.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 7:54pm

Again, isn't it interesting that Rush is so afraid of Obama versus McCain, that he feels it necessary to weaken him (by encouraging the ditto-heads to vote for Her Nibs)????

We know he doesn't REALLY like McCain...but does he also realize how weak "Maverick John" would be against Obama, purely on the issues, maybe???

Posted by Mask at 03/25/2008 @ 7:59pm

MASK, You are ignorant about this story and Rush's motives. Operation Chaos is to prolong the Democrat's primary and watch as the two bloody each other as well as spend their campaign money. ...and it's working. ha ha

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 8:01pm

Ok,I just sent in my cross over registration to be able to vote in the democrat primary here in North Carolina in May. So did my fiancee, her 2 sons and their girlfriends. We know hundreds of Republicans doing the same. We are staunch Republicans, helping with precinct walks, handing out conservative judge lists, putting out yard signs. It is with glee this election season, to cross over just for the primary, and for the sole purpose of prolonging the democrat madness going on in America today. I will be voting for Hillary because she could use a few more primary votes and to keep her in it a little longer. She will think she's entitled to the nomination. After voting we will immediately send another change request and go back to Republican where we belong. Anything for the CHAOS! Thanks, democrats, for having us!

Posted by Joser at 03/25/2008 @ 8:03pm

Posted by GRAPHICDAV 03/25/2008 @ 8:01pm

Right...and WHY IS THAT, GRAPHY?

Becasue he knows that if Obama comes out strong from the primary fight and NOT severely weakened...McCain loses, because ALL that McCain is promising is "more of the same"...while Obama promises change.

Posted by Mask at 03/25/2008 @ 8:08pm

MASK, Although I don't agree with your premise, my answer is... so what?

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 8:11pm

Obama campaign ad... (Announcer) A vote for Obama is a vote for change. (Young woman's voice) I believe that we, U.S. Americans want change and Obama will change things and not leave us unchanged. (Announcer) If you believe that Obama believes in everything you believe in, vote for Hope, vote for change, vote for Obama.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 8:21pm

Here's a bump of Rush's response to this article. You must scroll down to the title "Left Attempts to Disenfranchise, Intimidate Operation Chaos Voters", and while you're there you should also check out "Stalin Would Be Proud, Mr. Abrams". Click here [rushlimbaugh.com]

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 8:34pm

Libzsuck, you keep saying "God bless Rush" and yet you drop F and GD bombs like they were free. Are you trying to prove that you're a flaming hypocrite and earn your own defeat, or are you just another bipolar nut on a manic rant?

Posted by Benchrest at 03/25/2008 @ 8:49pm

You talk like trailer trash little boy. How old are you, sixteen?

Posted by Benchrest at 03/25/2008 @ 9:06pm

You think John McCain would be the Republican nominee were it not for Democrats and independents crossing over and voting in the early Republican primary? You guys just can't handle when we play the same way you play according to the rules that you write.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 9:06pm

I'm not disputing that. My point, such that it is, is you don't accomplish much by kicking a fireant mound.

Posted by Benchrest at 03/25/2008 @ 9:13pm

You guy's are pretty mad for a bunch of peace love doves! Your votes mean nothing. The super-delegates are going to determine your nominee. So show some sack! Do not forget to put on your bicycle helmet and recycle your toilet paper!

Posted by Daddude at 03/25/2008 @ 9:13pm

or slaying a grizzly bear with a willow switch. or hiding the point on your head with hair. or spreading the love with a butter knife. or ruining your day with a vote.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 9:24pm

I switched from the Republican Party to the Democratic Party this week to vote for Clinton because I want the Democrat blood-letting to continue and I want Clinton to beat Obama because I know the Republicans will defeat Clinton. I will switch back to the Republican party the day after the Pennsylvania Primary Election. Come and prosecute me. I live in Mountville, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.

Posted by thatcher81 at 03/25/2008 @ 9:27pm

JO, you're on family vacation and still came here? Why? Enjoy your vacation!

Posted by FritztheCat at 03/25/2008 @ 9:27pm

I switched from the Republican Party to the Democratic Party this week to vote for Clinton because I want the Democrat blood-letting to continue and I want Clinton to beat Obama because I know the Republicans will defeat Clinton. I will switch back to the Republican party the day after the Pennsylvania Primary Election. Come and prosecute me. I live in Mountville, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. My name is Paul A. Rossi, Esq.

Posted by thatcher81 at 03/25/2008 @ 9:29pm

Graphicdav, so your point is to come to this site and completely piss off and motivate the opposition, and hope to accomplish what?

Posted by Benchrest at 03/25/2008 @ 9:32pm

Benchrest, I was hoping that my post would demonstrate to you that I've been paying attention. Of course I added a bit to it but it's all in fun. And the fun is watching the Democrats scurry about like fireants looking for something to sting. Please don't take it personally. perhaps you should become a Republican so you can enjoy life too?

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 9:37pm

Dr. Doppler:

I know the conservative "brain" is slow so I'll try to be simple as I explain the difference between what the dittoheads are doing versus what the Democrats for McCain are doing.

The dittoheads, by voting for someone they despise to help another candidate they despise, are tampering with the integrity of the democratic process. Since I'm guessing that you know nothing about history, let me remind you that a certain scandal called Watergate was about Richard Nixon also tampering with the integrity of our democracy. His dittoheads behaved corruptly to help George McGovern and destroy the candidacies of Edmund Muskie and Hubert Humphrey. The latter two were ahead of Nixon in polls.

Non-Republicans who voted for McCain did so because they thought he would be the BEST president among those who were running. I know because I voted for McCain. He has a record of accomplishment that dwarfs those of Clinton and Obama and also has a record of working successfully with Democrats. His positions on the issues are more conservative than mine, but I think he would be a very good president.

The non-conservative brain can make these distinctions. The conservative "brains" can only rant and rave about ideological correctness and can't distinguish between being patriotic and having contempt for democracy.

Non-Republicans who voted for McCain are patriotic. Limbaugh and his ilk prove over and over again that their ranting about patriotism is a bunch of BS and they care more about the success of conservative dittoheads than the state of the USA. That's yet another reason that they find every way possible ("oh, my back hurts") to avoid military service and oppose military action when the president is a Democrat while calling war opponents traitors when the president is a Republican.

I apologize Dr. Doppler for not ocmplying with my earlier promise to not go over your "brain." It's just too difficult.

ZWrite

Posted by zwrite at 03/25/2008 @ 9:41pm

Who said I'm not a republican?

Posted by Benchrest at 03/25/2008 @ 9:43pm

I'm a democrat have been all my life. Raised anti: God,guns,military, to do what feels right in your heart. Conservatives where morons. This all changed for me after Bill's first term. I woke up to realize the hate and fear mongering of that party. It has changed and gone way left of reality. Blacks are pawns, who keeps the hate going there, Jesse and Al. Women's lib what has that done for women? All it did was make it easier for sleazy guys to have sex! Turned a generation in to whores that can kill there babies, It is a sad state, this so called liberal thought has brought. Peace, pot, micro-dot was the cry of the sixties. Now all of my hippy buddies are divorced and angry. They lived the lie and it is getting worse. We have these safety Nazis, eco nazis, fem nazis, gay nazis. God help you if you tell the truth. One last thought if John McCain was in that church of Obamas he would be accused of being a racists just ask Trent Lott or Imus? Now they thought police are here to stop hate crimes, thats a oxymoron isn't a crime a form of hate. Like class envy, how many poor people have hired anyone.

Posted by Daddude at 03/25/2008 @ 9:43pm

r.e.: Posted by JOMAMMA 03/25/2008 @ 9:25pm:

That is Shakespearian! (Shakespeare was a writer; for those of you in Rio Linda).

Posted by Nob City at 03/25/2008 @ 9:43pm

It will not be hard to vote with the intention of upholding Democratic party principles this year, whether voting for Clinton, Obama, or McCain. As evidence, I cite my stepdaughter, who intends to vote for Obama if he's the Democratic nominee or for McCain otherwise.

Posted by Bill Mosby at 03/25/2008 @ 9:43pm

Why can`t we as Americans just pull the plug on this Blo-Hard and bury him along with Bushco and be done with it. If by some chance Hillary gets the Democratic party nomination I still think she will beat Oldman Johnny McLame, it will be close but she will win. Barack Obama will kick the oldmans a$$ for sure come November.Iknow alot of people don`t like the Clintons but I say to bad we have had 8 years of Bushco and this country needs a change not more of the same corruption, cronyism and contradictions.

Posted by ams@50 at 03/25/2008 @ 9:47pm

Posted by JOMAMMA 03/25/2008 @ 9:44pm

Heheh, yeah, kind of like a hairball.

Posted by FritztheCat at 03/25/2008 @ 9:50pm

I think Rush must have been ducking sniper fire while entering the Trinity Church to not hear a sermon when he came up with such a dishonest ploy...

Posted by cjram at 03/25/2008 @ 9:51pm

This is actually a ploy that Democrats started years ago. It should be noted that Campaign people are calling many of these folks and asking them to vote for their candidate-so they are doing so.

What about the Democrat voters being taken by bus into Vermont to vote. What about Democrats handing out money in black areas to buy votes? How is it that dead voters in Chicago can vote for Democrats?

You people want separation of Church and State but have no problems in black preachers getting involved in politics, in their Church. Where are Jesse, Al and the boys on all of Wright's racial hatemongering? Where are the Dems?

And when Hillary leverages the superdelegates to steal the nomination from Obama will you say that "She was SELECTED, not ELECTED"? Only one will get the nomination, so you Dems will either have to admit to being sexist or racist. Which will it be?

Fortunately the American people, the decent ones, will not be duped into voting for Socialist pigs. Long Live Democracy!!!

Posted by DieSocialists at 03/25/2008 @ 9:54pm

Libzsuck, I seriously don't want you on my team. You are a liability from hell.

Posted by Benchrest at 03/25/2008 @ 9:54pm

If Dems really cared about integrity of the political process they would DEMAND the termination of SuperDelegates. SuperDelegates are in place for only one reason - as a means to overpower the votes of citizens. As long as they tolerate and promote this they have no legitimate complaints on "the process".

Posted by DieSocialists at 03/25/2008 @ 9:57pm

Benchrest, sorry, I made an assumption. to ZWRITE You are a sanctimonious stooge. A person who is eligible to vote can choose anyone on the ballot for whatever reason, no questions asked. The "process" allows for this. To suggest otherwise is to deny true democracy. It is the purpose of each ideology to defeat the opposition in the arena of ideas and to promote their own candidates and ideas. To make a suggestion that operation chaos is somehow unsportsman like is an attempt at censorship. The fact is that the results of operation chaos is reveiling to all who observe the ensuing chaos. I proclaim this exercise to be ingenious and an example of true blue Americanism.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 9:57pm

Some of you people need to get back on the subject of BUSH BIMBAUGH and is propaganda machine, we all knows these re-pukes will do anything possible and then some to keep the White House.If by chance oldman McLame beats Obama we will have 4 more years of the same, putting the tax burden on the blue collar guy even if he is a re-puke, of course there will still be war in Iraq and more and more lies. The re-pukes are all about spreading neocon democracy(dogma) on those who don`t need it but the neocons insist on this and that is why we are over there making a"messopatamia". The neocons are so blind that they are even begining to beleive the "NOBLE LIE" themselves, look at Johnny McLame he does not know which side of his mouth to talk out of yet!

Posted by ams@50 at 03/25/2008 @ 10:05pm

awwww, that's cute. You took words and changed them slightly to make a funny insult. I get it! wow you are clever. :)

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 10:09pm

Hi I'm wife of Daddude, What a bunch of nonsense on this site. First, unless democrats have already gained control of this country, it is still a free country. If you want to vote for HillBilly and it ends up biting you in the butte, well there is your lesson. As for me I think that it is a sorry bunch that is running for President of the United States. I would dearly love to see not one vote cast for any of these candidates. Let's start over. Hillary is a stauch communist, fascist, Stalinist, Obama is a socialist, and so is McCain. If any one asked Obama what details of the kind of change he has in mind you would realize that freedom isn't part of the program. And McCain is good with capitalism unless you are successful then just like HillBilly he wants your profits. Living the real american dream with these folks. All you folks on this thread are fighting over semantics do any of you understand what the policies are that they want to institute? I think not.

Posted by Daddude at 03/25/2008 @ 10:11pm

Dear wife of Daddude, perhaps you are correct however, there will be a big difference in the Supreme Court nominees between Obama/Mrs. Clinton and McCain so please don't sit out.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 10:15pm

I can't wait for more insightful and compelling commentary from AMS!!! I'm thinking about switching parties.

Posted by cjram at 03/25/2008 @ 10:15pm

MASK, Although I don't agree with your premise, my answer is... so what?----Posted by GRAPHICDAV 03/25/2008 @ 8:11pm

"so what?"?!?!?!?! You're admitting that McCain and the Repubs can't win on the issues, just by weakening Obama???

Pretty amazing "so what?"...since it indicates a full-blown acceptance of the fact that there's nothing right now on the minds of the electorate...that is a "winner" (big winner especially) for Republicans!

Posted by Mask at 03/25/2008 @ 10:16pm

Back to the storyThe clear intent in this Nation story is to intimidate you from using your right to vote. They want to make you think that you could get arrested for it, and they want to make you think that you could go to jail for it. Now, who are these people, these commies at The Nation? These are the same people who every election cycle claim Republicans are engaged in voter suppression and voter intimidation, and yet it is the left and the Democrats and the commies at The Nation, who are now engaging in voter suppression and voter intimidation. It is people at The Nation and others who are trying to intimidate and threaten you by intimidating you and, in the end, disenfranchise you.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 10:16pm

Hi MASK, please refer to the first part of my sentence... "Although I don't agree with your premise" Sincerely, Dave

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 10:17pm

I am not clever I am just having a good time with the the big blo-hards name.Listen we all have our free speech and freedom from religion and freedom from the "NOBLE LIE" of the Bushco Administration.The right is to conservative for me.I am pro-choice,pro democracy, anti-war and I don`t have any reason to like Johnny McLame.I am doing my best if I am insulting you because you're a BUSH BIMBAUGH lover so be it.

Posted by ams@50 at 03/25/2008 @ 10:19pm

This is such old news. Daddy Joe Kennedy manipulated the process by backing a candidate with the same name as JFK's chief rival in an early congressional race to split the vote. That was considered smart politics. By whining about his antics, Limbaugh is getting exactly what he wants.

Posted by Next Door at 03/25/2008 @ 10:19pm

AMS I'm not insulted, I was just looking for a bit of substance in your point... still looking.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 10:21pm

Freedom "from" religion???

Posted by cjram at 03/25/2008 @ 10:25pm

Freedom from religion... amen

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 10:29pm

nest door, you are exactly right, but they can't help themselves. As Rush says, he knows liberals better than they know themselves.

Posted by cjram at 03/25/2008 @ 10:29pm

do you re-pukes believe everything you see and hear from this guy and fox news do you like being lied to from your President, do like having your phones tapped without a warrant, do you like having all your civil liberties constrained by an incompetent weasel named dubya. I don`t like anything about R.Limbaugh because he is the complete opposite of what I stand for. I am only speaking for myself. I will ask you again, do you like being lied to by the people you voted for.

Posted by ams@50 at 03/25/2008 @ 10:34pm

GRAPHICDAV, So you are well aware that is not what the Constitution says? Not an insult, just looking for some background.

Posted by cjram at 03/25/2008 @ 10:35pm

You are talking just like a politician , I`ll ask agian do like being lied to by the people you voted for?

Posted by ams@50 at 03/25/2008 @ 10:37pm

I understand that every prominent dem also believed that Saddam had WMD including B. Clinton when he was pres. As well as the intelligence agencies from our allies if that is what you mean.

Posted by cjram at 03/25/2008 @ 10:40pm

The reason I am asking is , this is what Limbaugh and the rest of the RIGHT stands for.It may be that you don`t and that's fine with me, what I don`t understand is why would you stand behind these people and agree with them and their politics.Being anti- gay, and anti-abortion doesn`t make it right to lie to their constituents

Posted by ams@50 at 03/25/2008 @ 10:44pm

Missing the point. The whole reason Operation Chaos was instituted was because when the primaries are over and you Dems are told who the super delegates are putting up as the nominee, John McCain will never bring any of the issues up that matter. Like Obama is a major bigot and Hillary is getting mega dollars from the Chinese govt. etc. Even if McCain does slip and step on their toes the only thing the press will cover is the apology, but probably not what the insult was about. No real substance is allowed to come out, in the press, if a Republican can benefit, then it is considered an ugly attack. But as of right now the media is having a Linda Blair moment, what a tragedy. How can the media protect either one of the Democrats when they are attacking each other. And what about Poor John when it's all said and done and the nominee is picked, due to the McCain Finegold bill he will have to face the Democrat advertising machine, I mean the press, all by his lonesome. Poetic justice.

Posted by Daddude at 03/25/2008 @ 10:45pm

Posted by GRAPHICDAV 03/25/2008 @ 10:17pm

You also said "so what?"....which is it?

DO you think McCain can beat Obama on the issues? He's calling for endless occupation of Iraq with 80%+ of the public wanting us out in less than 2 years.

He's admitted he knows little about the economy...and it's the #1 issue. He's offering virtually NOTHING but an exact "re-do" of the last 4 years of Bush (at a 30% approval rating).

So....except for weakening Obama politically...you think McCain can win it on actual policies that the electorate would support?

Posted by Mask at 03/25/2008 @ 10:46pm

Excuse me, but didn't Democrats posing as "independents" cross over en masse to vote for McCain in earlier Republican primaries?

Posted by BelvueBob at 03/25/2008 @ 10:46pm

I spend alot of time on the Internet and read news papers form around the world and they have a better perspective than Rush and Fox news combined. These papers are where you go to get the truth about Iraq,WMD`s and Iran.I don`t trust any U.S. papers any more.I get alot from guys like Tom Hartmann and Peter Werbe and Laura Flanders.I trust the Nation and a few other magazines too.

Posted by ams@50 at 03/25/2008 @ 10:49pm

I understand the difference between "intelligence" and "fact". I also know that Saddam killed 5000+ Kurds with chemical weapons proving that he had them. What he didn't prove was that he had destroyed them in any way. As far as abortion I do believe it is completely unnecessary and an act of irresponsibility. Anti-gay is simply a matter of evolution and what works for a society and demographics. Investigate what happens to societies demograpically when both of the previous things become acceptable. I am ok with anybody choosing the gay lifestyle I am opposed however to making it no different than heterosexuality.

Posted by cjram at 03/25/2008 @ 10:54pm

Rush's Bimbos trolled this thread... Eyeye Eyeye O!

With a 'bitch slap' here, and a flame post there...

Here a lie, there a lie... everywhere a fall guy...

Rush's bimbos trolled this thread... Eyeye Eyeye O!

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It's like that cult classic horror film "Night Of The Living Dead"!... It's like they don't even realize how out of context they are... like vampires at daybreak.

...and people wonder why I like garlic...;^)

Posted by ttr at 03/25/2008 @ 10:59pm

So you believe in the "NOBLE LIE". Chemical weapons, I asked about WMD`s.I also believe you don`t listen to Rush or Savage, becuase these guys spew hatered towards anyone who is not a neocon. As to abortion I beleive in talking to my kids about "SEX" and not shutting it up and locking it down in the closet.As with homosexuality it`s been around since "the Dawn of Mankind" and it will never just go away.

Posted by ams@50 at 03/25/2008 @ 11:03pm

I notice TTR didn't answer any real questions. Just cute jingle that is intellectually insignificant.

Posted by cjram at 03/25/2008 @ 11:04pm

Good one TTR

Posted by ams@50 at 03/25/2008 @ 11:06pm

Naw... CJRAM 03/25/2008 @ 11:04pm...

You are flirting with your own reflection again.

Posted by ttr at 03/25/2008 @ 11:08pm

Ams, I see your point. Is it really being anti gay to try to protect marriage? Which is the fabric of society? Or is it lets just kill kids because we don't want marriage or there a hassle! I use to think like that as well. You think the gov't hasn't been listening to phone calls and Bush just started it! You should be glad he told you there doing it! The NSA has been doing this since the 70's. You think Billy boy told you the truth. He was so screwed up that he let Osama get away. Maybe if he was doing his job we wouldn't have had to go to Iraq. And lose 4000 of our finest! The gay agenda is a lie it is anything but gay, ask me how I know my youngest brother died of aids, he was a great guy that fell into a horrible lie!!! So I'm for anybody that is against pushing that lie, I think it was Goering who said tell a lie long enough and people will believe it. Rush's plan is well thought out and quite amusing. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Hillary and Obama are both unelectable. McCain is a poor choice but he should be liberal enough for you guys, he is probably more liberal than Billy. I hope he is not to weak to fight the dem hate and slander machine of personal destruction!

Posted by Daddude at 03/25/2008 @ 11:12pm

Chemical weapons are WMD and I think there has been a lot of misunderstanding about that. Chemical, biological, and nuclear, its just a fact. True, homosexuality has been around since the dawn of time, but making it socially acceptable has not worked out well for the societies that did so. So has pedophelia, murder, and many other things that are detrimental to the long-term success of societies. Not a judgement on individuals, just a demographic reality. The supposed necessity of abortion implies that we are animals incapable of controlling our libido. I prefer to believe that we are creatures of thought rather than instinct, with the ability to analyze risk and reward. As well as control our more basic tendencies. We are required by law to control our wishes to do many things.

Posted by cjram at 03/25/2008 @ 11:16pm

LVLIBERTY,I toatally agree with you on every thing and then some. He spews forth hatered very naturally. When the fat guy was on Sunday nite football I watched anything but the game, that`s how much I detest him and his mouth.

Posted by ams@50 at 03/25/2008 @ 11:16pm

Does anyone remember the Yippies. This has to be the worst reporting I've ever read. You think Americans will be arrested for voting? You can get into the mind of a voter. Have closed elections if you don't like people crossing over. Long Live "Operation Chaos"

Posted by rudyalaska at 03/25/2008 @ 11:22pm

The vast majority of Rush-haters form their opinion on what others tell them he said, or who hear a sound bite without the context of a 3 hour show that is on the air 5 days a week. My impression of Rush was changed 180 degrees after hearing him directly as opposed to hearing what my college professors told me he said. It is something you have to hear for yourself, not what others tell you about it.

Posted by cjram at 03/25/2008 @ 11:23pm

so cjram you are just another "bootlicking" robot of the right.You are everything I don`t like about the REICH WING of this great country of mine. Our country was founded on the a few words such as "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL" and 27 AMENDMENTS that make this a DEMCORACY not an Authotarian State.You need to get out of the house and live alittle.You sound as if you are way to intelligent for the LEFT and me so go out and get a piece of A$$.

Posted by ams@50 at 03/25/2008 @ 11:24pm

CJRAM 03/25/2008 @ 11:16pm

Much better post, CJ... thanks for the clarity and exposition...

So... where were all these chemical weapons (WMDs) in 2003?

Posted by ttr at 03/25/2008 @ 11:24pm

TTR, He cannot tell you or me about WMD`S because of the 'noble lie".He would rather slit his wrist than tell the truth.

Posted by ams@50 at 03/25/2008 @ 11:27pm

So why don't you answer any of my questions? And just so you know I do just fine in the other things you mentioned. Aother tip-don't try to insult other's intelligence without running spellcheck. It makes a much more convincing case. All men may have been created equal, not all societies.

Posted by cjram at 03/25/2008 @ 11:31pm

CJRAM "Freedom from religion... amen" AMS You're focusing on the seriousness of the charge and not the nature of the evidence. I've listened to Rush AND Randy Rhodes... it is through exposure to many different perspectives that I can be confident in my beliefs now. After all, I've never met Rush, or Bush, or you for that matter. Try and have an original thought.MASK I reject your original premise that Operation Chaos' purpose is to weaken Obama. however, McCain (as with all of the current candidates) has his weaknesses and they will all come out in time. My 'so what" is to the point that it actually matters in the context of this story.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 11:31pm

I have listened to Rush. He's the only option for talk radio in countless American cities. Rush is a master. Master conman. Pure poison. Cheney mouthpiece especially pre-war. Owned by a super wealthy, non-public, private equity group. Not a product of capitalism or ratings. Given dominant positioning on military radio as well. Dittoheads do not ask questions.

Posted by winyahn at 03/25/2008 @ 11:32pm

CJRAM, my code deleted part of my post. oops what you missed is my comment was scarcasm. Yes I know what's in the Constitution. I've read it.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 11:32pm

Winyahn, you're a kook.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 11:34pm

More to the point... "He's the only option for talk radio in countless American cities." really, he is on a finite number of stations so your charge of countless is wrong, tell me, which cities have no choice?

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 11:36pm

GRAPHICDAV, I didn't catch the sarcasm, it's one of those things often lost in cyberspace. Apologies. I was reading with bias.

Posted by cjram at 03/25/2008 @ 11:37pm

"Owned by a super wealthy, non-public, private equity group. Not a product of capitalism or ratings." That's a HUGE statement, let's see you back that one up. Sounds more like Air America than Rush.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 11:38pm

"Given dominant positioning on military radio as well." This is exactly opposite from reality. Only the first hour of Rush's show can be heard on Armed Forces Radio and many Dems in Congress are crying foul on that!

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 11:39pm

I would like to know if Rush is not a product capitalism, than what greedy mega-corporation is turning down the otherwise super-profitable mouthpiece of the left?

Posted by cjram at 03/25/2008 @ 11:40pm

Here's [skepticwiki.org] a quote

One characteristic about the Noble Lie is that it always assumes that the target audience consists entirely of complete idiots. This weakens its effectiveness, because a substantial number of people are capable of thought. Upon detecting a lie, they are likely to dismiss out of hand the truth of any other statement from the same source. They might even have an emotional reaction to being treated as idiots. This can cause problems for Noble Liars.

Posted by ttr at 03/25/2008 @ 11:40pm

The charge that Dittoheads are mind numb robots is widespread among liberals and Democrats who would like to demean the opposing viewpoint because they have trouble dealing with it.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 11:42pm

VOTERS OF OHIO! FIGHT THE POWER! VOTE FOR CHAOS! (You'd think all of the radical chic types at NR would at least get a laugh out of the irony of a republican supporting anarchy...)

Posted by TransitDave at 03/25/2008 @ 11:45pm

The biggest mistake libs make is thinking that they know conservatives think. The best part is that they continue to make it.

Posted by cjram at 03/25/2008 @ 11:46pm

graphicdav,I do have original thoughts.What you don`t like the Constitution or Democracy or Independence or our Founding Fathers and what they stood for. I think that the Right will do whatever is possible to keep the White House be it legal or illegal.Hillary has to stop attacking Obama because she is only hurting the party. I know that Bush and Cheney are the biggest cheerleaders of the war and between them they what,7 or 8 deferrals.

Posted by ams@50 at 03/25/2008 @ 11:47pm

I also notice that there has not been one reasoned answer to any of the questions posed by the conservative perspctive. Simply insults when they have no answer.

Posted by cjram at 03/25/2008 @ 11:49pm

The content of the majority of this thread, combined with the visuals 'inuendoing' forth from "The Tudors" is really rather surreal... and hillarious!

Posted by ttr at 03/25/2008 @ 11:50pm

CJRAM, What was your ?

Posted by ams@50 at 03/25/2008 @ 11:51pm

Another way the left tries to dismiss Rush is to declare him an entertainer. Which is true! he is very entertaining, funny, super witty. For those of you that have listened to Rush you know that his commentary tends to focus on the soap opera that is politics and the media. He doesn't pound a beat as a journalist, his show prep is to sift through the current news and comment relying on his superior memory and perspective as a life long conservative. He has the ability to find significant elements in current affairs that others might not catch who aren't as savvy. This is what makes him a real pain in the ass to liberals who would rather you forget what they said last year.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 11:52pm

AMS, you and I have opposite world views. I don't hate you and I am aware of our history including the constitution et al. btw, did you know that Separation of Church and State is not in the Constitution?

Posted by graphicdav at 03/25/2008 @ 11:55pm

AMS, thank you for asking, it goes back a page or two but it was about prominent dems claiming Saddam had WMD's when Clinton was in office. As well as the demographic effects of gay marriage and abortion. And my original post about Rush thinking of "Operation Chaos" while ducking sniper fire while entering the Trinity Church to NOT here a sermon. The sarcasm being the irony of a dishonest ploy.

Posted by cjram at 03/25/2008 @ 11:57pm

excuse me, I meant "hear".

Posted by cjram at 03/25/2008 @ 11:58pm

GRAPHICDAV,He may be funny I doubt it,he is an entertainer, not.He is a giant blo-hard that preaches hate. CJ, what question did you want answered?

Posted by ams@50 at 03/25/2008 @ 11:58pm

What I find laughable--besides the hypocrisy of the Democrat party who publicly pushed crossover voting in both 2008 and 2004--is that, for all your hysterics, your primary voting won't really even matter. That is because the power elite in the Democrat party--by virtue of loading the deck with superdelegates--don't trust the popular vote anyway. It is nearly designed not to allow regular voters to select its candidate. The party elite is clearly afraid to see another George McGovern, so it has stacked your deck. That ought to make the ordinary Dem more angry than a few thousand crossover voters (mostly after Obama created a nearly insurmountable lead).

Posted by freethinking at 03/25/2008 @ 11:59pm

GRAPHICDAV , I never said it was in the CONSTITUTION. Jefferson,Madison,Washington did not want religion or god mentioned or written in the Constitution because it would devalue Christianity and they new Religion would stand on it`s own.Thomas Paine wanted and wrote about the separation of church and state as did Adams and Monroe.

Posted by ams@50 at 03/26/2008 @ 12:04am

Another way mindless lefties attempt to censor free speech is to accuse those who offer an opposing view as preachers of hate. The more powerful the voice the greater the hate. Therefore Rush is the hateful one that must be silenced. As I said before... AMS, try to have an original thought. If you want to accuse Rush of hate speech then let's hear the specifics...

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 12:06am

I got to go now I am an oldman man I need my beauty rest. Good nite to all you folks out there listening to an oldman babble

Posted by ams@50 at 03/26/2008 @ 12:07am

AMS, goodnight and sleep well, but I do still want an answer to the questions I have posed. I also need to go to bed but will check back tomorrow. To whoever said they read a lot on the internet. I'm guessing we could all make that claim.

Posted by cjram at 03/26/2008 @ 12:10am

Don't think for a second that politics doesn't matter, and barring that; learn to handle a gun, cause this hatred isn't going anywhere anytime soon....

Posted by THECRAFTYB 03/25/2008 @ 6:32pm |

oh i've been there for a while...

Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/26/2008 @ 12:11am

In truth, nothing will change! A Chinese friend visiting after learning about all the life long welfare commented America is more Communist that Communist China ever was.

Borack Hussein Obama hates Americans who are not black just as Black Muslims hate whites period. Hillary is a hypocrite and a slimy politician, but so is Obama. He let a crook help him buy his house. McCain is a conservative Democrat with liberal leanings. Any of the above will still yield more taxes, more socialism, more economic decline, more laws, more controls of individual freedoms, more monitoring (liberal England watches everyone), policians and lawyers will get richer, busineses will decline, gov't make work will increase, and the stupid will believe will save them, as always. Rome provided bread and gladiator games, Amerca provides welfare and TV

Democrats voted in Republican primaries as did Independents (who happen to vote almost always for Democrat candidates). Now, Republicans are doing the same to Democrats and all hell breaks out. Tough Luck. A Republican voter can have a change of heart and be consumed with Democrate compassion. The oath does not say forever. Just because the Republican realizes he/she was went temporarily insane does not an illegal act make.

Don't want Dem primaries messed up? Stay out of Republican primaries. What goes around, comes around! Don't worry, be happy it is all a crock.

Oh, yeah! Don't forget, the Supreame Court has no Constitutional Authority to make do most of what it does!

Posted by amtr at 03/26/2008 @ 12:15am

DITTOHEADS, sucking on dumbed-way-way-down simple and repetitious simple and repetitious "truth"

Common Rushisms- wackos socialists yellow coward draft dodging, enviro-religious fanatics, slut (Bill Clinton's dead mother), echo chamber for swiftboaters, feminazis, Hitlery, Black racist murderer, Magic negroe, kooks,

Says McNabb, Obama products of affirmative action... Laughed hard, blamed Rodney King.

"Why should blacks be heard? They're 12% of the population. Who the hell cares." Rush Limbaugh

"Have you ever noticed that all newspaper composite drawings of wanted criminals look like Jesse Jackson?" Rush Limbaugh.

"Propaganda…must always be essentially simple and repetitious. In the long run, only he will achieve basic results in influencing public opinion who is able to reduce problems to the simplest terms and who has the courage to keep forever repeating them in this simplified form despite the objections of the intellectuals." Joseph Goebbels.

Clear Channel: 3 hours/peak/daily

Posted by winyahn at 03/26/2008 @ 12:18am

Hey Winyahn, you're a kook. Just like Rush says. btw, Magic Negro... LA Times. Bill Clinton's mom never got slandered by Rush. Why should blacks be heard comment. not Rush's. Jesse Jackson comment, not Rush's... but maybe if you say it enough times. LOL

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 12:28am

It is curious to me that Democrats are giving Rush so much power. Do you actually think your primary would be over without operation chaos?

NOT!

In California, the Democrats allowed independants to vote a Dem ballot, so I voted Obama. The Republicans did not allow it. I suppose you think that is illegal.

Obama is unelectable, though I did not think so until I heard the diatribe he subscribed to in church for the last 23 years. So is Clinton for that matter. Look out for the Bosnia snipers!

What you guys on the left are seeing is your own tactics at work within two factions of your own side. You don't like it do you?

Those of us who are right of center are used to it, so suck it up and taste your own foul medicine.

Rush is making a satire of your self created situation, and you want to prosecute him? You should watch Bill Mahr once in a while.

Posted by sactodan at 03/26/2008 @ 12:29am

WINYAHN is a perfect example of the left that is scared of opposing views. He would rather demean them and/or misquote to discredit Rush. How about trying to understand the concepts and then arguing your point of view. btw, Calling Obama Osama, that was Ted Kennedy. Referring to Chelsea as a dog was not a comment that Rush made but poor editing on his tv show. Which he could have blamed on a staffer but did apologize.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 12:33am

Of course maybe WINYAHN really believes that Rush made those comments which would make him a mind numb robot, repeating the misdirection of others. ...hmmm

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 12:35am

Repetitious, ex 27 times in one show... Limbaugh called Obama "Magic Negro" throughout the broadcast -- 27 times, to be exact -- and at one point sang "Barack, the Magic Negro" to the tune of "Puff, the Magic Dragon."

"...you know, yesterday on this program, ladies and gentlemen, we did our little test. We played "Barack, the Magic Negro" to see if the drive-bys would pick up on it"

Magic Negro: "I'm going to keep referring to him as that because I want to make a bet that by the end of this week I will own that term if I refer to Obama the rest of the day as the 'Magic Negro,'

"Obama, you're taking the high road here and I admire you -- but they're trying to destroy you, my man! Out there with your drug use and your drug-selling and not doing the spadework -- they're trying to destroy you, Obama!"

"Sen. Barack Obama is the Donovan McNabb of the U.S. Senate."

Posted by winyahn at 03/26/2008 @ 12:55am

Clear Channel-Cheney - NOT the critical 4th estate as designed by the founding fathers. NOT constitutional. Dittoheads can't stand this patriotic, true blue American reality:

Example question of "journalist" Limbaugh "interviewing" Cheney:

"You and the President both have decried the theatrics of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi and a number of the Democrats, and ... I, frankly, need to ask you if you really think it's theatrics, or is this who they really are? Is this what they really intend, to lose this war, to make sure we come home defeated?"

Posted by winyahn at 03/26/2008 @ 01:10am

It's just fantastic!

I love it. Every little bit of it. Seeing Hillary being able to continue along, seeing Obama having to continue to worry about her, and watching the both of them fighting like two fat kids over the last piece of cake just puts a bright, shining smile on my face.

McCain will never, could never, be as harsh towards either one of them as they are towards each other. The good thing is, it looks like he won't have to. It appears like he'll never have to get sucked into the liberal cesspool of politics because all the work will have been done for him. As far as right now, 165,000 people have switched parties in Pennsylvania to the democratic party, ensuring that the battle goes on even longer. Ultimately, it's going to come down to Hillary pulling closer and the superdelegates (the most repugnant process of nullifying individual people's votes that I've ever seen) will decide who goes forward. If it's Obama, there'll be cries of discontent because of states like Michigan whose people were shamefully deprived of their vote. If it's Hillary, there's no doubt that there will be outcries of "racism" and riots in streets.

The democratic party will never be the same after this.

Thank you Rush, from the bottom of my heart. If you ever run, you've got my vote.

Posted by rm_berry at 03/26/2008 @ 01:11am

Rush Limbaugh. "Why should blacks be heard? They're 12% of the population. Who the hell cares."

"Have you ever noticed that all newspaper composite drawings of wanted criminals look like Jesse Jackson?" Rush Limbaugh.

"...you know, yesterday on this program, ladies and gentlemen, we did our little test. We played "Barack, the Magic Negro" to see if the drive-bys would pick up on it"

Posted by winyahn at 03/26/2008 @ 01:18am

Yes!! Rush Limbaugh: "Why should blacks be heard? They're 12% of the population. Who the hell cares."

"Have you ever noticed that all newspaper composite drawings of wanted criminals look like Jesse Jackson?" Rush Limbaugh.

"...you know, yesterday on this program, ladies and gentlemen, we did our little test. We played "Barack, the Magic Negro" to see if the drive-bys would pick up on it"

Posted by winyahn at 03/26/2008 @ 01:19am

Yes!! Rush Limbaugh: "Why should blacks be heard? They're 12% of the population. Who the hell cares."

"Have you ever noticed that all newspaper composite drawings of wanted criminals look like Jesse Jackson?" Rush Limbaugh.

"...you know, yesterday on this program, ladies and gentlemen, we did our little test. We played "Barack, the Magic Negro" to see if the drive-bys would pick up on it"

Posted by winyahn at 03/26/2008 @ 01:21am

Hey WINYAHN, you act as if Rush coined the term Magic negro in reference to Obama. He didn't, the LA Times did you dolt. and your insistence on trying to smear Rush for repeating it is exactly his point. You're too smart by half. ha! as for the question by Rush to VP Cheney... it's a valid question. so keep quackin'. If you formulated your arguments on your own then I would say nice try. However, if you are repeating the complaints of others then it's time to reboot. Try some original thinking.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 01:26am

Hey WINYAHN, you act as if Rush coined the term Magic negro in reference to Obama. He didn't, the LA Times did you dolt. and your insistence on trying to smear Rush for repeating it is exactly his point. You're too smart by half. ha! as for the question by Rush to VP Cheney... it's a valid question. so keep quackin'. If you formulated your arguments on your own then I would say nice try. However, if you are repeating the complaints of others then it's time to reboot. Try some original thinking.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 01:27am

He'd use another word he didn't coin but gives his dittoshead in code and boy do they enjoy, and boy do they need to believe. Repetitious, ex 27 times in one show... Limbaugh called Obama "Magic Negro" throughout the broadcast -- 27 times, to be exact -- and at one point sang "Barack, the Magic Negro" to the tune of "Puff, the Magic Dragon." 27 times in one show Magic Negro

Posted by winyahn at 03/26/2008 @ 01:38am

Posted by LIBSWARNEDU 03/26/2008 Very well said my fellow "Un-American"! If only logic and data or the Constitution or Capitalism mattered to neocons.

Posted by winyahn at 03/26/2008 @ 01:42am

it is funny, you all sound the same! Both sides, clinton, obama and mccain are all liars. Two are communists by choice, one brainwashed at the hanoi hilton(paris must be the reason, she is so evil)neither can claim holier then though status on this, I saw dems busing in voters from other states. Quit rambling and bitching try something you never have before.....Honesty!You want honest representation? do a national lottery on all political offices. And your name only goes in once.

Posted by vancerr at 03/26/2008 @ 01:51am

Another Neocon pastime, criticize everything and everyone, never standup and say what they are for, or propose something ludicrous and impractical.

Obama is by far the superior candidate.

Posted by winyahn at 03/26/2008 @ 01:56am

And this, people, is one of the many reasons why I am thankful a republican will undoubtably be our next president. Espescially McCain with his military background. So that the Iraquis who cheered and praised us when we eliminated one of the most ruthless dictators since Hitler, who poisoned and gassed over a million people, will be assured of having a country with free elections. A country where the leaders won't "silence" those with different views. A country where a dictator's sons won't kill and torture and make people dissapear. They'll know a country that has democracy. A country that'll be able to defend itself because it's army will be trained by the best damn army on the planet. And when Americans can finally leave Iraq, they will leave knowing that they've accomplished something remarkable: They've put a bastion of freedom in an area rife with oppression and terrorism.

This is something that we can be assured of happening only if Obama and Hillary don't wind up in the whitehouse. So once again, thank you Rush for your help. If he hadn't done this, we might have had a Commander in Chief who would have announced to the enemy (Bin Laden, Syria, all of them) the exact date we were planning to retreat. They would have waited then came in and destroyed what's being attempted in Iraq, because of their inherent hatred of freedom. The noble sacrifices made by not only our men and women in uniform, but by our allies in this fight be it England, Canada, etc., would have been for naught.

It would be akin to having never stepped in and stopped Nazi proliferation. Do you really think that we would have been in THAT war either with either of the democratic candidates running now?

Now, libswarnedu, I have not heard this about republicans being the most hated sub-culture in America. Huh. Are we? Honestly...I don't really care. What are we hated for? For Origionist beliefs in constitutional law? For the belief that the governmental power should be less, not more? For knowing that universal health care has been proven inefficient time and time again with the quality of doctors and length of time to be seen by a doctor worsens dramaticly, and people come from all over the world to see American doctors because of it? Because we as republicans KNOW that the economy does better in a low-tax free market society where people work for what they get as opposed to democrat-sponsored governmental hand-outs? Because even now we're in the supreme court defending one of America's most sacred rights from anti-gun zealots eager to squash freedoms further? And there are probably dozens of other reasons why we're hated, correct? Honestly, you just make me sad.

So let us continue, people. Let people like Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingritch, Sean Hannity, Michael Reagan, and every single person out there who cares about conservatism and the most amazing country to have ever existed continue to do everything we can to stifle the liberal march towards socialism and marxism that they are on today.

Thanks to all right-thinking people. Be strong and do what's right.

Posted by rm_berry at 03/26/2008 @ 02:07am

Listen to you people! Talking about arresting people for voting wrong. We must only count the votes of people who agree with us! What a bunch of fascist garbage. You have no idea how stupid you look by taking this position. Please, by all means...arrest me for voting. It helps conservatives. Just make sure the TV cameras are there to catch the liberal version of Democracy in America.

Posted by adobo at 03/26/2008 @ 02:09am

a lottery is not impractical, it actually has worked historically. admittedly not something taught these days. one has to read on their own. obama the best canidate? for head of push maybe. as president not one person running is even qualified

Posted by vancerr at 03/26/2008 @ 02:11am

I happen to be an Ohio voter, a registered Republican, and on primary day went to vote and found that my party had been switched. I wasn't the only one. I was told I had to sign something to verifiy that I wanted it switched back. I can't tell you how many names were on the list, but I was told that it was long. So I don't really know which party or if any party was behind it, but it seemed to me that something fishy was going on. I had heard of other counties having similar problems earlier in the day so I was on the lookout for it when I went to vote.

Posted by Imathinker at 03/26/2008 @ 02:16am

And oh, by the way...

For all those advocating prosecution for people who sign a loyalty oath to the Democrating party who aren't "Democrat enough", would you advocate criminal prosecution for someone who signs that oath who votes for McCain in November? Think about what you're advocating -- prosecuting those who claim to be party members who don't toe the party line. Perhaps this is why every significant dictator of the 20th century came from the left.

Posted by adobo at 03/26/2008 @ 02:23am

I've spent the last hour searching for the quotes you attribute to Rush. Specifically...

"Why should blacks be heard? They're 12% of the population. Who the hell cares." and

"Have you ever noticed that all newspaper composite drawings of wanted criminals look like Jesse Jackson?"

I see these repeated often but have yet to find a date or other source besides other websites simply repeating it. I guess you're right WINYAHN, propaganda becomes the truth if you repeat it over and over.

...on the use of the term Magic Negro, the joke is on you. Yes Rush repeated this time and time again to parody you lefties. But I guess you just can't grip the humor or perhaps you're in denial.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 02:25am

The First Amendment protects Limbaugh's right to advocate his "project chaos." Any prosecution would be dismissed immediately. You left wing nuts need to look for your newest wet-dream somewhere else. Paul A. Rossi, Esq.

Posted by thatcher81 at 03/26/2008 @ 02:40am

Hey, Libs, you want any cheese with all that whine? I'd offer you all hankies, but I think you're gonna need 'em a lot more in November, LOL!

BTW That Ohio Loyalty Oath is blatantly unconstitutional, and any legal action against Rush or Chaos voters would die a quick and merciless death in ANY court! Fact is, this a DEMOCRACY! You know, the term you use for your party like Kim Jong-Il uses it for his? DPNK and DNC should merge and become DWLC: Democrats With a Lot in Common. Actually, I WANT you to go ahead and sue! Can't wait to see the headlines from THAT trial, LOL! Go ahead, torpedo an already-sinking ship of fools.

People can vote any way they goddamn please for any reason they goddamn choose. And they are under NO legal compulsion to reveal who they voted for and why. If you don't like that, why don't you adopt colored ballots like Stalin and Saddam did?

Pathetic. KOS tells Dems to cross over in Michigan to "have some fun" with the GOP primaries, but now it's meddling when Republicans return the favor? I don't know which is worse, the double standards you all operate under or the fact that you don't even realize how two-faced you all are! Just suck it up and go back to your normal fraudulent voting practices with Operation ACORN et al.

GO CHAOS!!! LONG LIVE EL RUSHBO!!! SEE YOU IN NOVEMBER, LOL!!!

Posted by TheMadKing at 03/26/2008 @ 03:21am

Rush is certainly full of himself. Uneducated on Obama, he thinks he is making people vote for Hillary!? It is people that have researched Obama who are voting for Hillary!! My network spreads out to thousands on myspace. I started posting facts about Obama last year. I send out aprox. 5 bulletins a day for circulation relating to Obama's ties with Islam, his Islamic beliefs, his links to Islam radicals and terrorists, his Islamic Family, Cousin, his Church, his beliefs "Black Liberation Theology and Black Power" his upbringing, his own words of hate towards America and white people, his autobiography, radical family, Marxist following, black Islam mentors, friends thoughout his life, State Senate Life, Votes, etc...

My conservative friends would rather elect Hillary than to see Obama in any public office, EVER!!

Information is there if you study!! Rush is an Idiot he is clueless and his show has gone from true journalism to crap with a "Me, Me" "I" attitude!!

Posted by truth4truth at 03/26/2008 @ 04:22am

Give me a break! Democrats crossed over to vote in the early Republican primaries to knock off Mitt Romney. What's the difference?

Posted by opunakea at 03/26/2008 @ 05:28am

I think its pretty obvious the First Amendment guarantees your right to vote for whomever you choose; the very idea that marking the ballot in the "wrong" way, or selecting a ballot with the "wrong" intent, is somehow illegal under our system is ludicrous, irrespective of the unConstitutional pretensions of the Ohio Legislature. If Ohio doesn't want Republicans voting in the Democratic primary, then Ohio should ban that practice. The very idea that poll workers should be "challenging" voters, in order to ensure they have the "correct" views, before issuing them a ballot, is patent nonsense, and sounds like something Robert Mugabe would have concocted.

Posted by Kevin_OKeeffe at 03/26/2008 @ 06:35am

I should have also referenced the 4th Amendment in this regard; if being "secure in your...papers" doesn't cover not having to answer for how you marked your ballot, then we might as well repeal the Bill of Rights now, and get it over with.

Posted by Kevin_OKeeffe at 03/26/2008 @ 06:37am

"Hillary still has the best chance because while she loses the blacks, she still has the Hispanics and the Reagan dems. Obama has just the blacks and the youth vote."

This is idiocy. First off, its pretty clear that Black voter turn-out will be quite low if Hillary wins the nomination (an admittedly unlikely contingency), and no Democrat can win the Presidency under those conditions. Its ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Additionally, most other Democrats will vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is; I don't care what polls say in March - the Hillary supporters will be behind Obama's candidacy (assuming he is the nominee, which is all but certain) post-Convention. There's no way Hillary could win, even without depressed Black voter turn-out (which she might avoid, if Obama were her running-mate), due to the simple fact that 50-60% of the American people despise her. Go out and ask people in the real world what they think of Hillary Clinton. Most will make gagging sounds, or call her a dyke, or say she's a power-hungry crook (the latter being correct). Obama is the only chance the Democrats have. I suspect when push comes to shove, the American people will decline to place a 74-year old, buffoonish warmonger into the White House, but the election is apt to be close. Oh, and another thing, while the Reagan Democrats (most of whom are probably registered Republicans by now anyway) may prefer Hillary to Obama, I really doubt she will have their votes locked up in November, were she to be the nominee.

Speaking as a Repubican, I hope the Democrats do win this year, even if its Hillary. I live in a safely blue state, so I will be free to cast my ballot for some third party candidate more to my liking, but John McInsane would be much worse for this country than Obama or The Cuckold. We can't afford another war with Iran, period.

Posted by Kevin_OKeeffe at 03/26/2008 @ 06:56am

Limbaugh: Abu Ghraib was just a big frat party!

Neocons = enemies of the USA, want "4 more years" with a daily, mouthy repetitio by their alpha lovers, more Rush and "Savage"

Posted by winyahn at 03/26/2008 @ 07:25am

I see once again that the neo-cons are having a hard time with the term "legal" . Imagine!

The elections chief in Ohio's most populous county resigned Tuesday, ending a tenure that included the mishandled recount of President Bush's narrow 2004 win in Ohio that gave him a second term.

Under executive director Michael Vu, Cuyahoga County had a botched primary last May and saw the convictions last month of two workers who rigged the presidential recount so they could avoid a more thorough review of the ballots.

The actions of the two workers, whom the board fired Tuesday, did not affect the outcome of the election. But the convictions were the final black eye for Vu, 30, who led the elections board through its rocky transition from punch-card to electronic voting.

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March 17, 2008

At least 15 touch-screen voting machines that produced improbable numbers in Ohio's 2006 statewide election are now under double-lock in an official crime scene. And the phony "Homeland Security Alert" used by Republicans to build up George W. Bush's 2004 vote count in a key southwestern Ohio county has come under new scrutiny.

The touch-screen machines were locked up after Ohio's new Democratic Secretary of State, Jennifer Brunner, tried to vote last fall. On November 6, she spotted a gray bar with the words "candidate withdrawn" in a slot where the name of Democrat Jay Perez should have appeared. Her husband, voting nearby, told her Perez's name did appear, as it was supposed to, on his machine.

Perez had been a candidate in the race for Franklin County Municipal Judge. He withdrew his name after the county had finalized its ballots. But it now appears the ES&S machines left his name on some machines but not on others. Perez, a Democrat, wanted to avoid playing a spoiler in the race. But the appearance of his name on some machines may have helped Republican David Tyack win.

Brunner now worries that the state will never find out what happened. County election officials ordered the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation to seize the machines. Ohio Attorney General Mark Dann is conducting an investigation that may cost the state $48,000. Brunner recently told WVKO 1580AM radio: "When you're talking about democracy, it's priceless." In another interview with the Columbus Dispatch, Brunner noted "This is a huge problem. There is great concern that not every voter has the same ballot."

Thus far Brunner has forced the resignations of BOE chairs in two of Ohio's most populous cities, Cleveland and Columbus.

Matt Damschroder was removed as Franklin County Board of Elections Director on the Sunday prior to Ohio's 2008 primary election. Damschroder was previously suspended for a month without pay for accepting a $10,000 check from a voting machine salesman at the BOE building. The check, made out to the Republican Party, was delivered on the day the state's contracts for electronic voting machines were open for bidding. Damschroder was former chair of the Franklin County Republican Party and the state's leading foe of paper ballots. "Damschroder was very opposed to paper ballots and was stoking the fire against them," Brunner told WVKO.

Posted by crabwalk at 03/26/2008 @ 07:36am

This article it typical of facist propaganda regularly posted by The Nation & The New Republic. Read your history, folks. This "magazine" use to prostrate at the feet of Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Karl Marx, and pretty much every other leftist thug that has come around the block.

The "Loyalty Oath" smacks of Communist Party tactics. It's clearly unconstitutional to regulate one's intent. Why was it a wonderful idea for Democrats & Independents to vote in the early states for McCain, but now it's a horrible idea for Republicans (whose vote in the Republican Primary is meaningless now) to vote in the Democratic Primary?

The answer is because progressives don't need to be consistent because their beliefs are based on feeling and emotion rather than reality.

Both Democratic candidates are socialists, and McCain isn't much better because all three candidates will destroy our economy because all 3 believe in the global warming hoax and they will pass new taxes to "regulate" carbon emissions. News flash for all you "progressives" out there. The climate always changes. It has cycled in a 1500 year cycle for the last several million years. There is nothing we can do to change that. If you really want to buy some carbon credits, feel free to send me money.

Posted by brucethemoose at 03/26/2008 @ 08:15am

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/action/ignore.mhtml?who=brucethemoose

dumb as a moose, probably dumber. fascists, commies it's all the same to you. whattajerk.

Posted by emile duBois at 03/26/2008 @ 08:27am

r.e.: Posted by WINYAHN 03/26/2008 @ 12:55am:

Repetitious, ex 27 times in one show... Limbaugh called Obama "Magic Negro" throughout the broadcast -- 27 times, to be exact -- and at one point sang "Barack, the Magic Negro" to the tune of "Puff, the Magic Dragon."

"Obama, you're taking the high road here and I admire you -- but they're trying to destroy you, my man! Out there with your drug use and your drug-selling and not doing the spadework -- they're trying to destroy you, Obama!"

"The Magic Negro" was a phrase coined by a L.A. Times reporter about Barack (The Name We Cannot Mention) Obama...Look it up. The "spadework" quote is from the Clinton Camp!...Look it up! Whay don't you just go out and shout "God Damn America!" from your window with them?

Posted by Nob City at 03/26/2008 @ 08:29am

Crabwalk, what a DUH you are! There's no difference between a party official actively altering and rigging election outcomes and voters who choose which party or candidate they wish to vote for FOR ANY REASON as is enshrined in the Bill of Rights, as well as their right to privacy in that regard? No problem when KOS wanted Democrats to "have some fun" in Michigan, but now it is? F*ing hypocrite!

Is there no end to liberal equivocation, where a slap to the face is the same as a bullet in the head, reason be damned? "Well, sure, Obama's preacher may be a racist, BUT." "Well, sure, Hillary may have imagined entering Bosnia under withering sniper fire, BUT." "Well, yeah, 3000 people were senselessly killed on 9/11, BUT."

I am SO looking forward to this election, LOL! How about you, Crabby??

Posted by TheMadKing at 03/26/2008 @ 08:36am

Posted by LVLIBERTY1 03/25/2008 @ 11:08pm

Thanks for the response LVL.

I have learned to be more discriminating about the threads to join in dialogue.

I do the same. The problem I have is that while I appreciate the fact that some people that self-identify as "conservative" get involved with this forum to have some back and forth with getting a more "left" perspective and presenting their own, when they come to represent a significant portion of the commentary, then it changes the nature of the forum itself. It's seems to me to be a type of tragedy of the commons.

You are absolutely correct SRJ that we appear to be getting large waves on both the right and left of "true believers" from other blogs.

But I don't think "true believers" are the problem. You and I would likely be described as "true believers" by others - but we can have a dialogue, even to the extent that I'm calling you crazy, and it still be interesting and useful.

I think you are right about this particular wave that it is being directed from elsewhere, but it is indictative of the larger problem of people whose sole purpose seems to be griefing others, which is why I posted it here.

As for Rush Limbaugh, I don't think much about him. He obviously doesn't define the conservative movement, not because he isn't conservative - which he may be - but because he doesn't have any ideas, just has a knack for phrasing things to get attention. He's like Howard Stern but instead of obsessing about sex, he obsesses on right wing politics.

Posted by srjenkins at 03/26/2008 @ 08:37am

I think you Rush listeners have a dilemma. Rush has repeatedly said that one of the things he abhors the most is sheep. Yet, that is precisely what he depends upon. He is your shepherd and you are the sheep. He says go do something and you do. He says jump, you jump. You don't even ask how high, you just jump.

I don't see Rush as the hypocrite, he's in the entertainment industry. He's loving every bit of this. You folks who have posted here today (and yesterday but will be gone tomorrow when Rush sends you on another errand) so idolize Rush that you do his bidding without question. Just like....sheep.

I have much more respect for the conservative republicans that are regulars here who think for themselves and are firm in their opinions without their opinions being dictated to them by Rush Limbaugh. Most of you newbie posters (Rush listeners who will be herded by Rush elsewhere tomorrow) are frankly, scary. If you are so unhappy in your lives that Rush spurs you to froth at the mouth and spew hatred everywhere, you really ought to turn off the radio and go outside.

Posted by FritztheCat at 03/26/2008 @ 08:48am

Jeremiah Wright does not hate white people. He was smeared.

If you listen to his sermons in their entirety, you will realize this.

Posted by johnny canuck at 03/26/2008 @ 09:25am

The remarkable number of newbies (almost all ditto-heads) will begin to fade.

They only showed up here because they read about "The Nation" article on Rush's website. Soon as it "moves down" the thread and Limbaugh starts in on something new today (Probably the Hillary "sniper fire" thing...but not TOO much, as he's got to keep her in the running)....they'll be off to HuffPost or someplace else to defend the Maha-rushi.

And we'll be back to the "Usual Suspects" of right-wingers who've we've come to know and love here.

Posted by Mask at 03/26/2008 @ 09:32am

I am neither republican or democrat, because they walk too close to the same line. However, how is the voting in Texas or Ohio any different than those prior primaries where democrats were encouraged to "assist" republicans in selecting their candidate? For that matter, how much different is it than any other election in which the candidate who won was not the best person for the job, but rather the one who had the most money or best press coverage? The country will have to face the fact that our choices this year for president are three facets of the same person. One woman, one minority, one old white man -- one mindset. Depresses the hell out of me. Hope you morons enjoy what you've set up. Personally, I think that it's time to teach my sons extra survival skills. There is no way this is anywhere close to what the originators of this country intended.

Posted by txfire at 03/26/2008 @ 09:52am

"I am neither republican or democrat, because they walk too close to the same line. "---Posted by TXFIRE 03/26/2008 @ 09:52am

So, give us 5-6 policy positions of yours, so we know where you're coming from?

Posted by Mask at 03/26/2008 @ 10:09am

what the originators of this country intended.

Posted by TXFIRE 03/26/2008 @ 09:52am | ignore this person

what they intended was rule by and for the rich. what they intended was slavery forever. what they intended was women as chattel.

Posted by emile duBois at 03/26/2008 @ 10:12am

What is extremely funny to me that everyone would rather blame Rush than say the truth. It doesn't matter what he gets on the air and says, its not his fault thatthe Liberals are not smart enough to allready have a candidate locked in. Come on now isn't it always the same the Liberals always have to blame us Conservatives for their stupidity. How about for once you take responsibility for your mistakes. Hey one man can not single handedly determine the outcome of an election. If you think so you Liberals are way more intimidated than I thought. Operation Chaos lives on.....and I love the shirt. LOL Liberals so funny.

Posted by chrisj727 at 03/26/2008 @ 10:27am

Posted by CHRISJ727 03/26/2008 @ 10:27am |

Hey, CHRIS...back me up. You learned about this story from Rush's website, didn't you?

Posted by Mask at 03/26/2008 @ 10:49am

Johnny Canuck said "Jeremiah Wright does not hate white people. He was smeared. If you listen to his sermons in their entirety, you will realize this."

Curious, Johnny. Did you ask to hear Michael Richards' entire standup routine the night he slandered black patrons with racial epithets in an LA comedy club? Did you listen to Imus' entire morning show in order to discover the context in which he said 'nappy-headed hos'? Did you investigate what else Trent Lott might have said on Strom Thurmond's birthday that justified his saying a segregationist should have been elected president? Or the full context of what Geraldine Ferraro said about Obama that might have been exculpatory? No you didn't, did you? You didn't because you didn't NEED a context, did you? "Nappy-headed hos" stands alone in its slander just fine, doesn't it?

Besides, what context, EXACTLY, justifies ranting that the white US government invented AIDS to inject into the black community for the express purpose of white-on-black genocide? Do you understand the SCALE of what that statement implies? The unreality of it? What POSSIBLE context justifies shouting that insane conspiracy theory to an audience full of impressionable young black children? Or that 9/11 was justified, which happens to be the same viewpoint as bin Laden's?

What does it say about Obama's judgment that his daughters, who live in more privileged circumstances than 99% of the population, will like their mother grow up resenting if not hating white people and the country for no good reason but that a racist preacher and grievance-mongering subculture told them it was the right thing to do? Sorry, but Wright smeared himself, and Obama in the process. Lie down with dogs, you get fleas.

No. NOT THIS TIME! You, and all the glassy-eyed True Believers and even the press may give Obama a pass. Millions of voters like me, both black AND white, will not come Election Day. He's done.

There was a very surprising (to me) OpEd by a civil rights leader and president of the NAACP in New York, Michael Meyers, who wrote extensively on this in "Obama Blew It." Maybe you should check it out. Don't take a white man's word for it. It's not like you could trust us or anything like that.

Posted by TheMadKing at 03/26/2008 @ 10:55am

You lib guys who keep quoting Rush obviously don't listen to his show in context. It is SATIRE. Stop taking yourselves so seriously.

But I warn you, do not listen often and long enough to understand the joke. Your commitment to your socialist fascism would be in jeopardy.

Posted by sactodan at 03/26/2008 @ 11:07am

to your socialist fascism would be in jeopardy.

Posted by SACTODAN 03/26/2008 @ 11:07am | ignore this person

dumb as a box of rocks. there is no socialism in Fascism, there is no fascism in socialism.

Posted by emile duBois at 03/26/2008 @ 11:19am

SACTODAN said: "dumb as a box of rocks. there is no socialism in Fascism, there is no fascism in socialism."

You must have been at the top of your class, SAC. Ever heard of National Socialism? Or the Union Of Soviet Socialist republics? Typical White Liberal Without A Clue.

Posted by TheMadKing at 03/26/2008 @ 11:36am

Posted by THEMADKING 03/26/2008 @ 11:36am | ignore this person

it was I who posted that. that the Nazis called themselves socialist means nothing. the commies called themselves socialist, not as much a stretch as the claim of the Nazis.

Posted by emile duBois at 03/26/2008 @ 11:52am

Point is, Mr. Dubois, what's in a name? The North Koreans call themselves the Democratic Peoples' Republic. Doesn't make them democratic, does it? ANY political system can become fascist. Names don't mean sh*t. Oh, and before any of you libtards call the US fascist, just ONE of you tell me the last time the jackboots busted down your door for your online seditions. 'nuff said!

Posted by TheMadKing at 03/26/2008 @ 12:02pm

Point is, Mr. Dubois, what's in a name?

that was my point. what was yours?

Posted by emile duBois at 03/26/2008 @ 12:11pm

Texas MNR to Pennsylvania MNR. I voted for Hillary. I puked when I got home, but I had to obey the Maha Rushie. He made me. Texas MNR to Ohio MNR. I love you guys! Texas MNR to liberal public school clones (LPSC) and drive-bys, you guys are better entertainment than anything on television, broadcast or cable.

GOD Bless Rush and conservatives.

Posted by jmoactive at 03/26/2008 @ 12:14pm

Maybe the MADKING (what what) should look up the law in Ohio, and then look up an acutal definition of fascism. big difference between an "open primary" and a closed one. If the law says one may not switch parties, then that is what it means. If the law says one may vote in either primary, the one may do so. apparently Ohio is a closed system and any "intent" to manipulate another parties primary is against the law. That cannot be the case in an open primary, such as the fiasco in MI.

Posted by crabwalk at 03/26/2008 @ 12:16pm

As a libertarian, I will probably vote for McCain in the general election. But who are you to say I should not be allowed to choose who I could like to run against him? This is just the same as saying that republicans should not be allowed to vote on a democratic ballot primary when their party has already chosen a candidate. This just seems sorely unfair. Don't you think? Why lock someone into a party? This just continuous partisan politics, regardless of what Rush Limbaugh says.

Posted by zjoe at 03/26/2008 @ 12:18pm

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/action/ignore.mhtml?who=zjoe

you are really a republican, who wishes to choose the repub AND the dem candidate. in open primaries you seem to have this right. in closed primaries you do not.there is NOTHING undemocratic about that.

let's face it repugs. dirty tricks are all you have left. you are done and the election will stick a fork in it.

Posted by emile duBois at 03/26/2008 @ 12:23pm

Point is, Mr. Dubois, what's in a name?----Posted by THEMADKING 03/26/2008 @ 12:02pm

Sort of like saying you're a "conservative"...and then spending HALF A TRILLION dollars on a war and not paying for it?

Posted by Mask at 03/26/2008 @ 12:24pm

Posted by EMILE DUBOIS 03/26/2008 @ 12:23pm

Ms. Hillary has her fair share of Atwater Crib Notes.

Posted by crabwalk at 03/26/2008 @ 12:25pm

Posted by ZJOE 03/26/2008 @ 12:18pm |

again, "open" or "closed" primary. the "parties" are basically private entities (very roughly speaking) they can set whatever rules they want, within state law. In this case it looks like Ohio wants people to stick to their DECLARED aprty affiliation.

Shall we celebrate our vast array of "choice" between A and A-Lite?

WEEEEE!!

Posted by crabwalk at 03/26/2008 @ 12:28pm

Keep telling a lie long enough Mask, and maybe even you will believe it.

Posted by LVLIBERTY1 03/26/2008 @ 12:26pm

and how are you paying for the not-war in Iraq?

Posted by crabwalk at 03/26/2008 @ 12:28pm

Sort of like saying you're a "conservative"...and then spending HALF A TRILLION dollars on a war and not paying for it?

Posted by MASK 03/26/2008 @ 12:24pm

Or voting in conservatives that increase the size, breadth and cost of the federal government?

Posted by crabwalk at 03/26/2008 @ 12:29pm

The real problem with you Demo-rats is that you really think a radio host is our Party leader. Rush, pokes fun at your stupid antics and you are so sensitive. I know the world revolves around your feel good fantasy world The fact all people are scum and that we do not want to here that. Truth is we are all capable of murder and are liars! Take a hard look in the mirror and grow a pair. It is a evil world and we have been spoiled. We need about a 2 week trucking strike, to bring you back to reality. Or better yet go live in Africa or Asia for a few months and see how 90% of the world lives and you might see how blessed, your life is in the greatest country in the world ever!!!

Posted by Daddude at 03/26/2008 @ 12:39pm

What a bunch of hypocrites! When Dan Rather uttered a forgery with the intent to affect a federal election all of you were strangely silent. For my money, old Danny Boy should doing time in a 5' x 9' jail cell with a 350 lb pervert-convict named "Bubba-luscious"! If the Bush DOJ failed--it was in not prosecuting Rather.

Posted by Che Chihuahua at 03/26/2008 @ 12:53pm

I discovered this blog from Rush's site. I couldn't believe that you loving liberals are actually angry. Everytime you don't get your way, boom out comes the lawyers! You must make great neighbors. Why not just get rid of our army and intellegence agency's. Who needs that! Lets open up the borders to any one who wants roam on in, That should make you feel good. I listened to Air America a few times! Randy Rhodes is one lonely rabidly sad little girl and Al how boring! I have never heard so much hate ever, there is no comparision to Rush. You are holding on to the lie to tight but your not wrapped tight enough. Try going to church, Jesus is still there for you!

Posted by Daddude at 03/26/2008 @ 12:55pm

who let the dogs out?

Posted by emile duBois at 03/26/2008 @ 12:57pm

daddude-The only people expressing any real anger are the Rush fans,but that's to be expected.It's you people who are spewing the hate,but that's Rush followers for you.They think it's cute to make fun of disabled people.How do you know that Jesus likes churches?You don't.You people come on here ranting and raving,but your posts ooze with ignorance.You have one Rush fan who claimed that judges prosecute people.I'm not sure what he thinks prosecutors do.You have several claiming that liberals have primaries,but can't say where or when these primaries take place,but they know they do exist because Rush said so.Brilliant people.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/26/2008 @ 1:40pm

"daddude-The only people expressing any real anger are the Rush fans,but that's to be expected.It's you people who are spewing the hate,but that's Rush followers for you."

You mean the Rev. Wright is a CONSERVATIVE? LOL!

Posted by TheMadKing at 03/26/2008 @ 1:43pm

themadking-I can't find any posts from Wright and wonder if you could point them out.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/26/2008 @ 1:45pm

Rush fans-Ohio is not a liberal state.Liberals are not responsible for their laws so,please,whine to them and not us because we have noting to do with it.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/26/2008 @ 1:54pm

Operation Chaos must go through the Democrat convention! The objective here is to keep Mrs. Clinton in a proper frame of mind, a positive spirit surrounding her and her campaign, so that she sees this through. We want her all the way to the convention, and we want her stealing the nomination from Barack Obama, or at least trying to. This is no time to abandon Mrs. Clinton. Do not let anything that you have heard about her Bosnia lie dissuade you from supporting her in upcoming Democrat primaries.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 2:07pm

Here's an idea: Why don't some Libs start their own Radio Network; get someone like say, oh, Al Franken as the Hostess; and get their message out to the "People"? What!? It's been tried already!? How did it go? They didn't have to file for Bankruptcy, did they!?

Posted by Nob City at 03/26/2008 @ 2:08pm

nobcity-Liberal radio doesn't succeed because we don't need to be told what to think.You guys need that,obviously.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/26/2008 @ 2:11pm

Rush fans-Why are you wasting your time whining about this on here?We can't change laws in Ohio.Whine to them.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/26/2008 @ 2:14pm

r.e.: Posted by I'M NOBODY 03/26/2008 @ 2:11pm Now there you go again. You're half right - Liberal radio doesn't succeed.

Posted by Nob City at 03/26/2008 @ 2:18pm

They don't like the "Rule of Law" now?

Shocking. I remember when Dear Leader would not shut up about that.

Posted by crabwalk at 03/26/2008 @ 2:18pm

nobcity-And I told you why it doesn't succeed.Try thinking for yourself rather than have Rush tell you what to think.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/26/2008 @ 2:19pm

r.e.: Posted by I'M NOBODY 03/26/2008 @ 2:14pm Now what's the title of this story everyone is posting about again?

Posted by Nob City at 03/26/2008 @ 2:20pm

I also remember a time when a conservative could take an oath, and actually mean it. Well, some cons.

whatever happened to "Thou shalt not lie"? Out with "thou shalt not kill", I guess.

Just like their compatriot UBL, the neo-cons believe that the ends justify any means.

BOO!

Posted by crabwalk at 03/26/2008 @ 2:20pm

Isn't it also amazing that the cons don't want an opponent for McCain, who we have learned is not a "real" conservative.

Are they too afraid of the Christian Obama?

Posted by crabwalk at 03/26/2008 @ 2:22pm

nobncity-What does your response have to do with my post about radio?

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/26/2008 @ 2:24pm

Once again you whiners... The pledge in Ohio is unconstitutional and a soviet style intimidation tool. Any voter can vote for anybody on the ballot they want, for whatever reason. Operation Chaos is funny and it's working. ha ha ha

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 2:26pm

nobcity-If you read the posts on here you'll discover that the Rush fans all have identical views whereas,we have a variety of views.That's because you are told what to think and we think for ourselves.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/26/2008 @ 2:27pm

graphicdave-Whine at the lawmakers in Ohio.We can't change their laws.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/26/2008 @ 2:28pm

Read Rush's response to the Nation's article, go to the link below then scroll down to the story "Left Attempts to Disenfranchise, Intimidate Operation Chaos Voters" here [rushlimbaugh.com]

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 2:29pm

Maybe you didn't get it I'm Nobody... I don't care what they try to do in Ohio. Especially the stupid Dems that came up the the Stalin style Pledge. ha!

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 2:30pm

graphicdave-I have no interest in Rush's paranoia.The left,of course,has nothing to do with this,but Rush is playing you like he always does.A fool and his money soon part.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/26/2008 @ 2:31pm

graphicdave-The stalin stuff shows immaturity and lack of knowledge of history.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/26/2008 @ 2:32pm

That doesn't even make sense. Why are you here posting if you have no interest. In Ohio there is no pledge for Republican primary voters so when you say the left has nothing to do with this you're just plain wrong. This is ALL about the left and Rush is playing y'all like a fiddle. btw, that's why I'm here to revel in it.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 2:34pm

graphicdave-Are you able to do more than repeat what Rush says?Do you have thoughts of your own?

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/26/2008 @ 2:34pm

Lack of knowledge of history? Loyalty pledge sounds democratic to you? hmmm

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 2:36pm

graphicdave-Your naive ways make you think that Rush is playing us when,of course,he isn't.I'm only discussing this for my own amusement,but I'm aware that Rush is irrelevant and will not affect the outcome and is just seeking attention and trying to be relevant because McCain got the nomination against his wishes.You can pretend that you're reveling in this if that makes you feel good,but you are feeling good about something that has no meaning.Democrats are not the left.Republicans are not the right.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/26/2008 @ 2:40pm

graphicdave-Democracies have loyalty pledges as do any other form of government.Study history.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/26/2008 @ 2:42pm

Interesting analysis but completely in denial. First, The Nation writes a story about it reporting with a bit of glee that perhaps crossovers and even Rush might be indicted. Second, we are all here discussing it. So you declare that Rush is irrelevant. ...um, ok... The fact is that if Obama had won in Texas and Ohio Hillary would have been forced to pull out of the race. But since she came away with some victories thanks to the irrelevant one (ha ha) she is vowing to stick in the race. This is causing chaos in the Dem party. just as planned. ha ha ha ha ha and your denials are making you look like you are nobody. even funnier.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 2:45pm

graphicdave-As I stated before.I'm not a democrat.I've voted for both parties about equally.Partisan people are the biggest problem that America has because partisan people are braindead sheep who do what they're told to do and America needs free thinkers..That's what we were founded on.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/26/2008 @ 2:46pm

graphicdave-You are quite naive about the Clintons and not informed about the results for Texas.Obama won Texas,but Hillary is still in it because of the super delegate thing and she would have stayed in regardless of operation chaos.I understand that you guys want to feel important,but you're not.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/26/2008 @ 2:49pm

"partisan people are braindead sheep" - The way to get things done is to ensure that the party who's ideas you support have enough votes and support within the government to get things done. Have a spine and decide what you are for! Good God Man! Applying "moderate" principles to an elevator ride will keep you on the first floor.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 2:55pm

What y'all seem to ignore is the fact that the sweet Dems did this first.. in Iowa and in New Hampshire. They continued it in So. Carolina. Even more so in Florida. You picked the Republican candidate. Why didn't you scream when that happened? Ugly facts you like to ignore.

Posted by gimpylaz at 03/26/2008 @ 3:02pm

McCain is often referred to as a "Maverick". What for? because he sometimes goes against his own party. A free thinker eh? ...So, using your logic, crossovers who voted for Hillary are Mavericks! Long Live the Mavericks!

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 3:04pm

graphicdave-Supporting a party isn't the way to get things done.You sheep are the reason that nothing gets done and the reason that nothing changes.You partisan people vote against your own best interest because you're braindead sheep.This country was founded by free thinkers and not partisan politicians.You partisan people are the problem.You are not the solution.These politicians know that you will vote for them because you're told to so they don't care what you think once they get your vote.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/26/2008 @ 3:07pm

So tell me how that works, I don't get it. The House is just about even with the Dems in the Majority. What have they accomplished? Maybe if they had more seats they could get more done? But you're standing in the way since you want the House to be balanced...

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 3:19pm

graphicdave-You're partisan so I'm not surprised that you don't get it.That's why you partisan people are the problem.You don't get it.

Posted by i'm nobody at 03/26/2008 @ 3:24pm

Really, please explain it to me... how do you get things done in Washington by being non-partisan?

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 3:27pm

Now's your chance, you've got me on the edge of my seat. Be persuasive, you might get a convert here.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 3:29pm

I'm being sincere here. I really want to know what you're talking about.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 3:29pm

I get it. You've been told that being partisan is wrong, perhaps mean spirited. So much for free thinking then.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 3:33pm

Here's another myth... special interest's are bad. Or how about this one... all corporations are bad. There are some bad special interests, some bad corporations, some bad ideas within each party's platform (perhaps) but you need to excersise some of that free thinking stuff MR. NOBODY.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 3:35pm

I'm going to lunch, see ya in a few. ...and keep rockin'!

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 3:35pm

Man, Watching all you liberals freaking out is a HOOT! Your undies couldn't be in bigger bunches if they were pulled over your heads, LOL!

I'd be freaking out too, if the only remaining candidates of my party were a corrupt female Walter Mitty and a man who wears the twin albatrosses of a resentful America-hating wife and the black David Duke of a preacher he calls his mentor. Like he'll EVER get the white vote?

BTW You know the only POTUS candidate left with a +50% FAV rating is McCain? Rambo and OB Trice are both +50% UNFAV now. Can't WAIT to see the train wreck of a convention awaiting you all. Rocky Mountain Low! You're all gonna need stronger stuff than Coors, LOL!

I know. Grinding salt into the wounds. Rrrrrrrrrrr, ha ha ha ha! LOSERS yet again! GO HILLARY AND OPERATION CHAOS!

Posted by TheMadKing at 03/26/2008 @ 3:38pm

It amazes me how blatantly cowardly the neo-con fascists can be. But then again, how much courage does it take to murder innocent people to satiate blood lust and blind hate. I wish these cowards would stop hiding behind their own version of PC jargon, and admit that they hate Muslims the same way Hilter hated Jews. Anyone capable of rational thought knows why they support Bush's terrorist holy war. And since we're on the topic of conservative political correctivism, be honest with yourselves, for once, and start calling it homophobia instead of "defense of marriage". Talk about political correctivism at it's worst. When it comes to PC jargon, the "liberals" have nothing on these fascists.

To DRDOPPLER: "PS As a PA resident, guess who I'm voting for next Month!!" I imagine you will be voting for the John "Hilter incarnate II" McCain, just like you are told to. Unless of course you are so misinformed as to think that Rush doesn't make up everything he says, in which case you'll be voting for Clinton. Of course, the best plan would be to have a little self respect, stop letting other people think for you, and make up your own mind for once, Winston. But wait; do you guys even remember what it's like to think for yourselves. No, of course not...

You know the best thing about Bush country? It can be burned to the ground, clearing the way for new, better, and stronger growth in what had formerly been a wasteland.

Posted by sithspawn at 03/26/2008 @ 3:43pm

When you have to choose between an American Communist (Hillary) or an Islamic racist (Obama), anything that gets rid of these two anti-American nut cases is helpful.

Posted by boydlee at 03/26/2008 @ 3:51pm

SITHSPAWN, You should be the Poster Boy for BDS Libtards, LOL!

From what I read into your "nuanced eloquence" everyone to the right of Lenin is Hitler. What else is new?

Doesn't matter. Operation CHAOS is going forward great guns and you libtard BDS moonbats can't do a GODDAMN THING about it! If CHAOS succeeds and Hillary closes in, there will so many throats slashed at the DNC convention it will make Zarqawi videos look like childrens' films (BTW sorry on his passing, SITH. I know how much he meant to you).

So either get used to McCain Derangement Syndrome or renew your passport and fly off to some nation that ISN'T fascist by your definition. I hear Cuba and Venezuela are nice this time of year.

Posted by TheMadKing at 03/26/2008 @ 3:53pm

I know. Grinding salt into the wounds. Rrrrrrrrrrr, ha ha ha ha! LOSERS yet again! GO HILLARY AND OPERATION CHAOS!

Posted by THEMADKING 03/26/2008 @ 3:38pm | ignore this person

When exactly did we lose? I mean, there have been two fixed elections in which the people were denied their chosen president, but we didn't lose. And we're supposed to believe that liberals hate America? While the mindless neo-con slaves support ignoring the Constitution and side-stepping our "demockratic" system. Is that why we are murdering people to bring them democracy? So it can be ignored and destroyed here at home?

After (8) years of your unelected Big Brother, and all the hate that you've so lovingly embraced (because you want to help people? ha ha, right...), if another religiously fanatical, war-mongering moron gets "elected" (McCain, for those of you not educated enough to figure that out on your own), the entire world will "lose". Not just America, and not just "Liberals". Seriously, what have the neo-cons actually ever done for you? I don't mean, what have they SAID they did for you, but what have they actually done? Other than making sure they tell you every lie they have to, in order to keep you as slaves on their corporate plantation, of course.

PS, have you guys ever looked up "liberal" in a dictionary? It's not much of an insult, unless you are a Nazi sympathizer. Wait. Do you even know how to use a dictionary? And I guess Bush supporters are Nazi sympathizers by definition, aren't they?

Posted by sithspawn at 03/26/2008 @ 3:59pm

From what I read into your "nuanced eloquence" everyone to the right of Lenin is Hitler. What else is new?

No, Osama. It's just that everyone left of Bush considers freedom to be an actual goal, not just a propaganda slogan. Go read a book.

Posted by sithspawn at 03/26/2008 @ 4:01pm

BTW, Chaos has already succeded. It's called the Invasion of Iraq. Leave to the neo-cons to endorse chaos. Big surprise...

Posted by sithspawn at 03/26/2008 @ 4:02pm

ahh, Behold the symptoms of Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 4:48pm

some cheerful news: Obama's "spiritual mentor" put his big black foot in it again. Here's the link:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/03/obamas-pastor-wright-italians- look-down.html

Seems he called Italians 'Garlic Noses' and Jesus' crucifixion a 'public lynching Italian-Style." Personally, I'd rather be lynched than crucified. You know how PAINFUL that is? And it can take DAYS! But I digress.

Who the Hell needs Operation Chaos with Hillary and Obama? This election is SO over!

Posted by TheMadKing at 03/26/2008 @ 4:52pm

GOP Crossovers Fuel Record Pennsylvania Registration for Democrats

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 4:53pm

If there are so few Democrats in Pennsylvania that it took a bunch of GOP sheep to bring registration to record numbers, then the Pennsylvania schools system is more screwed up than we thought. Thanks to Osama Bush Lyin' using our tax dollars to kill people rather than help them, maybe, but that is giving W WAY to much credit.

Posted by sithspawn at 03/26/2008 @ 5:35pm

To I'm Nobody; Read Revelation Chapter 2! I understand some people getting angry at inane, upside down legal issues, don't you! Are you happy with your candidates? I do not like any of them. I do not dislike liberals, my whole family is far Left. I think that if you have courage you listen to both sides. What is this disabled thing about? You are so sure about something that you more than likely heard 3rd person. I'm a registered Democrat since 1974 and it is not the same party. Now its the New World Order Party and sad to say many Republican's are a part of this UN world leadership nonsense. It gets scarier everyday. Our news industry is geared towards a World Govt. It gets harder to sort out the BS everyday. So operation Chaos is a clever snipe at a group of people that do not have our personal or national best interests at hand. Clinton could have stopped Osama! He didn't. We still have the same amount of people on welfare as 10 yr.'s ago. We set up big feel good Bureaucracy's that fail every-time yet if someone tries to fix it there screaming it will kill kids,or poor folks. This country was the worlds last best hope and we wreaked it. I hope you are not counting on Social Security, if so good luck!

Posted by Daddude at 03/26/2008 @ 5:42pm

Come on Sith, use your brain. There was a record before the record was broken.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 5:50pm

graphic, SITH doesn't have a brain. Open his skull up and all you'll find is a libtard TelePrompTer from Hell.

Posted by TheMadKing at 03/26/2008 @ 6:02pm

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/action/ignore.mhtml?who=sithspawn

they're kidding themselves, thinking they could influence the election. the repub candidates were all strictly from hunger, so this is all they got, poor dears.

Posted by emile duBois at 03/26/2008 @ 6:16pm

Oh, was that your failed attempt at rational thought, GRAPHICDAV? Your comment didn't even make any sense. Did I say there HADN'T been a record? That's something that I didn't feel needed to be pointed out, since it's pretty much common sense. Of course, for you, common sense is like a deep, philosophical thought experiment, I guess, huh? So, you had to point it out because you thought it was some AMAZING revelation.

Interesting how you have aligned yourself with the GOP unquestioningly, falling into lock-step behind every hate-based party lie you are told to believe, and you tell ME to use my brain? No surprise. Since you allow your party owners to think for you, why should I expect you to be capable of recognizing when some IS using their brain? You don't have proper clearance and authorization to think so far out of the box, huh?

If I weren't using my brain, I would be backing McCain. Look, I'm rhyming like Jesse Jackson!

Posted by sithspawn at 03/26/2008 @ 6:20pm

I guess you got me Sith... now back to the point, a Reporter asks Hillary, "You and your campaign have been talking about Florida and Michigan, saying that Obama wants to disenfranchise voters there by not backing revotes. If this ends up going to the convention and the superdelegates decide, how is that not disenfranchising voters?" and Hillary's answer, "We have to wait and see is what happens in the next three months, and there's been a lot of talk about what if, what if, what if? Let's wait 'til we get some facts. People are going to vote over the next months. Uh, millions of people are going to vote and, uh, we should wait and see the outcome of those votes."

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 6:30pm

So, Operation Chaos continues to reak havoc. ha ha ha

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 6:31pm

ha ha

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 6:36pm

Boy, you just make it up as you go along, don't you, GRAPHICDAV? Another failed attempt...

Posted by sithspawn at 03/26/2008 @ 6:37pm

daer SITH, your superior intellectual command of liberal nuance and sophisticated erudition is blinding me.

Oh, I'm sorry, it was only the tinfoil hat. Never mind.

Posted by TheMadKing at 03/26/2008 @ 6:40pm

It would be funny if I did make it up but that was a quote from Mrs. Clinton in Greensberg, Pennsylvania, at her press conference. Not ready to hang it up, putting all of her hopes in to hopefully knock out Obama. I would like to see her swipe the nomination at the convention. Then the real chaos will ensue. ha ha ha

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 6:41pm

ha ha

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 6:41pm

:::Dave takes a breath::: ha ha ha

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 6:42pm

ha

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 6:43pm

whew :::big sigh:::

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 6:44pm

ha ha :::Dave tries to regain composure::: ha, ha :::Think of Hillary naked -Think of Hillary naked -Think of Hillary naked -:::

ok, I'm alright now.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 6:46pm

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/action/ignore.mhtml?who=graphicdav

self involved twit.

Posted by emile duBois at 03/26/2008 @ 6:48pm

Operation Chaos is meeting and surpassing all objectives, achieving precisely what the intention was. Listening to Mrs. Clinton speak, there's no question she doesn't think that she's behind. She's going to go to convention and blow it up to get this nomination.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 7:05pm

I got to say I have never seen a President get so much vile attacks as Bush. It is even worse than Nixon! Bush's popularity rating is higher than Harry Reids or sweet Nancy's. Beside lib's, do you think Hillary or Obama are going to lose this war on there watch? If you do you got another thing coming! Who is lied to here, Hillary voted for the war! Obama is a coward hiding his racism and you guys eat it up. It is truly funny. Sith, with his free thinking neocom, gee who came up with that original free thinking moniker! Your a brain washed dweb. Maybe the NY time is hiring but you had better get there quickly before they go out of business! Try listening to Rush and smoke a blunt to calm down you may learn something dawg.

Posted by Daddude at 03/26/2008 @ 7:07pm

...and if you think I'm making it up (Seth) here's a link... here [cnn.com]

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 7:08pm

Victory for the cons is getting Hillary Clinton elected?

fun stuff.

operation Chaos, the shiny new victory to replace the dulled old mission accomplished, won, almost won, lost by the dems that gave Chimpy McFlightsuit all he asked for, won again, ahhh... success, Muqtada in charge...mmmm victory....

Posted by crabwalk at 03/26/2008 @ 7:10pm

No CRABWALK, Victory in Operation Chaos is already achieved. Chaos among the Dems. It still is working too. (and that's the funny part)

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 7:12pm

grrr, librool traitors...grrr kill...fascist socialists....hitler....grooowwll, freedom haters...

Posted by crabwalk at 03/26/2008 @ 7:12pm

Posted by GRAPHICDAV 03/26/2008 @ 7:12pm

I see your victory has placed Obama in the delegate lead. Cool Plan Dude!

Posted by crabwalk at 03/26/2008 @ 7:13pm

He had the lead previously so what's your point?

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 7:14pm

I'm finding Mrs. Clinton's desperation entertaining... Click here for her Tanya Harding solution [abcnews.go.com]

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 7:19pm

No real point then.

Just find you most amusing.

this place has been a little boring lately, welcome aboard. Maybe we will get to learn what makes a ditto head twitch, er... tick.

Peace

Posted by crabwalk at 03/26/2008 @ 7:22pm

Thanks keep rockin'

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 7:24pm

I'll check back tomorrow...

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 7:25pm

Ha ha. Man, you are simple minded, aren't you, GRAPHICDAV? I have a 3 year old niece that is more mature than you seem to be. If this is what the GOP has to offer, then we really are in trouble, and I'm glad I'm smart enough not to allow myself to deteriorate all the way down to that level. Thanks for proving my earlier point about lack of cognitive brain function though. You just made it even easier, and far more pointedly than I could have phrased it. I wasn't saying that you made up the quote (though I wouldn't put something like that past a Bush/Rush supporter. I mean, when it comes to making stuff up, what better teacher could you ask for than George and Rush?) I've no doubt that she said that. What I meant was your assumed and unexplained connection between her statement and Rush's terrorist plot to undermine the American people's election process (again!). Oh, but I had better explain that one too, for the simple minded. I'm not implying that Rush had anything to do with the fixing of the last two elections, only that he's trying to make sure that the next one is fixed as well. Should I draw you a picture?

Back to the point, indeed. What is your point? Do you have one, or are you just throwing out hate-speech? Other than a few insults and canned, GOP catch phrases, I haven't seen anything from you that even remotely resembles a point, much less a coherent arguement! I mean, you so proudly support unfair elections, apparently, but liberals and Democrats are the ones who supposedly "hate America"? How does that work, exactly?

This is just the type of nonsense I've come to expect from the people who, by blindly supporting Resident Bush's Muslim Holocaust, have themselves murdered more Americans than Bin Laden. If terrorism and killing of innocent people is wrong, then it's wrong no matter who does it. Bottom line is that while Bush's supporters try to claim that they are better than the Taliban, I fail to even see how they are any different… And as for the freedom haters comment above (posted by Golem apparently), Bush has attempted to eliminate more freedoms here than any other president in history. "They hate us for our freedom" seems to apply to the terrorists who support Bush more so than the ones that attacked us on 9-11. It's a simple case of what psychologists call projection. I'll let you look that one up for yourselves...

Posted by sithspawn at 03/26/2008 @ 7:32pm

I really do have to go now but before I do let me draw you a picture Sith... Had Obama smoked Clinton in Texas and Ohio Democrat party officials would have insisted she drop out. Since she has new momentum provided by crossover voters she continues to hang on. (providing much entertainment to this simple-minded Republican) I look forward to your brilliant response but, alas, I must wait until tomorrow. 'til then. cheers

Posted by graphicdav at 03/26/2008 @ 7:43pm

Try listening to Rush and smoke a blunt to calm down you may learn something dawg.

Posted by DADDUDE 03/26/2008 @ 7:07pm

You have got to be kidding me. Dude, I'm down with the blunt, but if I wanted to learn something, listening to Rush is the last thing I would do. Unless I wanted to "learn" complete bulls$%t. THEN I would listen to Rush (or just talk to GRAPHICDAV some more). If you had any idea what you were talking about, then you would know that. But then, if you knew that, you wouldn't listen to Rush.

Can anybody tell me even one thing that the guy has said that can actually be backed up with any sort of evidence? EVER? Anything that isn't obviously biased, or outright fabrication, or where he leaves out or misrepresents relevant facts? Good luck. You're going to need it.

BTW, apparently you guys have made the false assumption that I'm a Democrat!? Speaking of group think in the GOP, the same thing happens with the Dems too, no doubt. That's why I will never join a political gang (Democrips and Rebloodliquada). Both sides allow their party leaders to think for them, because as soon as you align yourself with a party, you've made the decision that that party is correct, all the time, unquestioningly. GRAPHICDAV proves that with ease. Apparently the party leaders of both sides have gotten together and decided that there are only (2) types of people in this country? So much for freedom, huh?

However, I have voted Democrat in the past and no doubt will have to in the future. I wish I had a more worthy choice, but I don't, because the deck is stacked. However, I'll vote Democrat because SO much of the GOP rhetoric is so obviously ridiculous. Republicans seem to support the wealthy few, while Dems at least try to support policies that attempt to balance things out. After all, this country supposedly belongs to all of us, not just the people who sit back, do nothing, and reap the benefits. Reps would rather use money to kill people than to help them, apparently.

Bottom line is that when you are voting for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil, right?

Posted by sithspawn at 03/26/2008 @ 8:03pm

Since she has new momentum provided by crossover voters she continues to hang on.

Posted by GRAPHICDAV 03/26/2008 @ 7:43pm

Any proof of that, or are you making a biased speculation? Don't get me wrong. I'm not sure I trust Hillary any further than any other politician, but I still trust her more than McCain, since he's just repeating all the same old, obvious lies that the Bush Regime gave us.

Posted by sithspawn at 03/26/2008 @ 8:08pm

Bottom line is that when you are voting for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil, right?

Posted by SITHSPAWN 03/26/2008 @ 8:03pm | ignore this person

good post, EXCEPT for that last thing, which is one of the more absurd tropes floating around out there.even the word evil has been overused in this hysterical time.

Posted by emile duBois at 03/26/2008 @ 8:19pm

The left needs to realize that they and no one else are responsible for their current election woes. Rush did not create super delegates. He did not decide to award delegates in proportion to the popular vote. That was democrat party officials. Those two things combined make it obvious that the party wants the ability to choose a candidate based on the opinion of a handful of party big-wigs. If that is not the intended purpose then they are guilty of a lack of foresight, because it is an obvious recipe for what you have today. Giving delegates in proportion to the popular vote sounds fair, and maybe it is. Many may believe that this is the proper way to do it. But is also going to keep the process drawn out and brutal. Which is exactly what you have now. Having super delegates is simply a way to make certain people's vote more valuable than others. What other purpose could there be? The thought being that the Ted Kennedys and Howard Deans of the world are smarter than the average voter. If this is not the thought than why not just add up the delegates won by the popular vote and declare the winner the nominee? Not counting the delegates in Florida and Michigan is not Rush's fault. Howard Dean should be fired for that stunt. Obama was stupid to not put his name on the ballot in Florida. They pledged not to campaign, but he could have registered. If he had done so they would now be counting the delegates he would have won and Hillary would possibly be finished or more likely to withdraw. If the republicans who are voting at Rush's suggestion should not count then Hillary should see this drop out. If operation chaos is not working then it is having no effect and you would have this turmoil regardless. Democrats could stop the blood-letting simply by getting Hillary to drop out. She has virtually no chance in the real world, and if somehow she does manage to convince enough super delegates to give her the nomination the Barack supporters will scream bloody murder and the party will be shredded. But just like her husband not being willing to admit guilt and get on with things, she is going to fight to the bitter end and hope to damage Obama so much that the super delegates feel compelled to choose her based on who they feel is more able to beat McCain. If you go back you will notice that the Clinton's always put their personal success ahead of the party and they are at it again. The party has brought this on itself. Blaming others will solve nothing.

Posted by cjram at 03/26/2008 @ 8:26pm

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/action/ignore.mhtml?who=cjram

breaking this up into paragraphs, by hitting return twice, will do a lot for readability of your worthy post.

Posted by emile duBois at 03/26/2008 @ 8:31pm

I'm sorry for the miss understanding. This is a election year of evils! In this great country this is the best we can come up with! We are in for a world of hurts! This two party system, which are not too different from each other. I bet they have little parties and laugh about us peons. They have pensions, yearly pay-raises, health care. They are truly the ruling elite. If you are liberal or Conservative try to get rid of the incumbents, that is the last chance to change anything. McCain is at least honest enough to admit the Iraq war will go on. But lets hope he doesn't decide to call marshall law or destroy our sovereignty in the name United Nations Cooperation.

Posted by Daddude at 03/26/2008 @ 9:24pm

good post, EXCEPT for that last thing, which is one of the more absurd tropes floating around out there.even the word evil has been overused in this hysterical time.

Posted by EMILE DUBOIS 03/26/2008 @ 8:19pm

That may be so, but it doesn't make it any less true. The point is, wouldn't it be better if we didn't have overly-powerful partys telling us who we are ALLOWED to elect, so that we didn't have to make such a limited choice. Eliminate the delegates, and let us vote from the first to the last.

Posted by sithspawn at 03/26/2008 @ 11:31pm

The left needs to realize that they and no one else are responsible for their current election woes.

Posted by CJRAM 03/26/2008 @ 8:26pm

And the right needs to realize that the left isn't just the democratic party. Some of us "lefties" (whatever that means) don't need masters. Which is why so many of us oppose blind complacancy to capitalism, corporate slavery, and party politics.

I'm not sure if you realize it, but you've just proven my point. If the problems the Dems are facing are due to their electoral process (something I actually agree with, to a point) then why do we see the Rush-puppets claiming his Operation Chaos is responsible for Hillary still being in the running? It's contradictory.

But just like her husband not being willing to admit guilt and get on with things

Posted by CJRAM 03/26/2008 @ 8:26pm

Guilty of what, exactly? Having an affair that had nothing whatsoever to do with his job, aside from potential abuse of power that Bush has FAR GREATLY exceeded. An affair that was no one's business but his and Hillary's (and to a lesser extent, Chelsea's and Monica's). And to be honest, I can't see how Bill abused his power in any way that differs from some rock star "abusing" his power over some groupie. I mean, yes, if Monica was raped or talked into it, then that's one thing. But if she consented, even if it was just a ploy to get herself into the spotlight for a bit, then it was still not a matter for national interest. Except that we are kept to be more concerned with who is sleeping with who, than we are to be concerned with things that actually matter (like the fact that we were lied into a war that has killed more Americans than 9-11, but if we question it, then somehow WE are un-patriotic? That's concerning.). I mean, during that time, most of the rest of the "civilized" world was laughing at us, as they are now, for being so petty and childish.

And remember, it was Ken Starr and the GOP that drug things out, not the Clintons.

Posted by sithspawn at 03/26/2008 @ 11:35pm

McCain is at least honest enough to admit the Iraq war will go on.

Posted by DADDUDE 03/26/2008 @ 9:24pm

Correction. He's "honest" enough to declare that, against the will of the American people, like his predecessor, he wants to perpetuate a war that is already lost, could never have been won, and will only serve to get us attacked again. After all, we have been invading, attacking, and killing these people for over 50 years, and that's just in terms of our oil interests. No matter how much some of us don't want to admit it, 9-11 was a counterstrike. It doesn't matter if we agree, or if we think it was justified. They have suffered atrocities at the hands of America's political leaders long before Bush illegally invaded Iraq.

Posted by sithspawn at 03/26/2008 @ 11:42pm

Sith, you mean the trillions of dollars we have tortured them with. They have been held down by there own Rulers, not us. So we deserved 911, what kind of bent commie logic is that. Some wacky sociologist professor tell you that crap! Gee didn't Billy Boy Kill a hell of a lot serbians and blow up the Chinese Embassy in the process. Lucky for us he sold them our rocket secrets or they could have gotten mad. He never lied while he was biting his lip how cute! America is the cause of all the world suffering, what Crap lib spew! I tell you if we cut off our foreign aid you will see how nice they would get in a hurry! Also a Muslim does not have to honor a agreement with a non muslim.

Posted by Daddude at 03/27/2008 @ 12:13am

Gee the will of the American people. Lets see WWII Roosevelt. Decided to join the Allies against the will of the people! When have we invaded anybody in the middle east prior to the recent gulf wars I thought it was in Asia. Korean War was the United Nations war, was that the will of the people. President are to look out for the interest of the nation. Not pole everybody to see if they agree. Make decisions show some sack! They screw up like any one else. It is easy to be a arm chair quarterback.

Posted by Daddude at 03/27/2008 @ 12:29am

Posted by DADDUDE 03/27/2008 @ 12:13am

We've already wasted trillions of dollars murdering innocent people in Iraq {snicker}? My, how the money flies when your bigoted, GOP leaders aren't paying the bill. Especially when they can use it as a political ploy to blame Dems for having to raise taxes in order to pay off the debts that Bush has driven up so senselessly. Oh, and I'm sorry, but aren't the largest Communist nations in history, REPUBLICAN countries? The Peoples REPUBLIC of China? The United Soviet Socialist REPUBLIC? Of course, USSR is a misnomer since Russia was anything but socialist. Oh, and I guess I had best point out that communism and socialism aren't the same thing, though I doubt you'll be able to wrap your brain around that one. Too much McCarthy Era brainwashing, I'll bet. Get the idea though? Nice try, lambchop. Talk about bent commie logic. I will hand it to Bush though, that he has done an amazingly inept job of somehow melding fascism and communism into a completely dysfunctional political ideology.

Yes, they have been held down by their rulers. Rulers that we've had no problem funding, supporting, endorsing, training, and doing business with, with little to no care for the people of these countries (or our own for that matter). Our political and corporate leaders have been their ruler's rulers. Or have your keepers not told you the truth about how we trained Bin Laden to fight against the Russians in Afghanistan and to destroy the democratic government that existed at the time? Mainly because our corporations didn't like the prices they were quoted, and because we "had" to fight the Russians. Not because they were communist though, but rather because they weren't us and therefore they threatened our power. Have they not told you that we armed and empowered Saddam, and that he got the gas he allegedly used on his own people from the US? Of course, at the time, Saddam and Daddy Bush were good buddies. Bush senior wanted to use Saddam to attack Iran so he wouldn't have to bloody up the pseudo-noble US's reputation (too late actually), so they blamed Iran for the gassing of the Kurds.

It wasn't until we got attacked that we started to care about the terrorism that the rest of the world has been dealing with for YEARS, but it still isn't about the people, now is it? If America were actually interested in helping these people, we wouldn't have expected discounts all these years. We would have been donating and expecting little in return, because that is what charity means. We would have taken the billions to trillions of dollars that we will be spending on this pointless crusade to build school & hospitals & mosques. Instead we're using that money to make bombs and pay hired mercenaries to fight a war so unpopular that we can't even get enough "real soldiers" to sign up to fight. Meanwhile, it is in the merc's financial best interest to drag this thing out for as long as they can, to make as much money as they can. That's crapitalism at it worst and most common. Which is why so many of our jobs are going overseas. The corporate CEO's don't care about creating jobs or helping people. They just care about making a profit, no matter who they are dealing with in order to make it, even if it means dealing with terrorists and dictators (see above). The reality is that the reason we have it so good here is because other countries have it so bad, and we take advantage of that at every opportunity. No, America is not really the cause of the worlds problems; just the biggest benefactor. And cutting off of foreign aid is the axe we swing above their heads. How noble, indeed.

Yes, Clinton absolutely did bomb Serbia, and it was just as wrong for him to have done that then as it was for Bush to be doing it now. Just as it was equally wrong of Bush to claim he supports anti-nuclear proliferation efforts (of course WE'RE still making them though), and so he turns around and sells nuclear secrets to Turkey? Saddam supposedly had WMDs? Where are they? Not that it matters, since we have them too. Typical American arrogance and xenophobia, one of the other primary reasons we were attacked. Apparently we've decided that they don't get to play with the same toys we do. The trick is that we don't generally invade with our military. We just fund other military & terrorist groups (and still are in South America) to do our dirty work for us. When we've invaded the middle east, we do it economically. We turn a blind eye to the suffering of these people, so long as their dictators give us cheap oil. I guess I'm just not naïve enough to call that innocence on the part of the US. Not the people, but rather the foreign policy. After all, the American people are really only told what our corporate controlled media and political leaders want us to know. Anything else, and you have to go outside of the US to get an outside perspective.

Posted by sithspawn at 03/27/2008 @ 04:06am

I wonder why there wasn't this type of outrage over the vote swapping scheme that took place between Al Gore supporters and Ralph Nader supporters in the 2000 General election?

supporters for Gore in solidly "blue" states were swapping vote pledges with Nader supporters in more closely contested states in hopes of defeating Bush. It seems hypocritical to criticize one scheme and not the other.

Besides, Clinton doesn't need Limbaugh to get the nomination. Everyone knows that while the voters want Obama, the Clintons own the DNC and will find some way to steal the nomination before it is all over.

Posted by Skitch at 03/27/2008 @ 07:05am

I guess this needs to be in print at least one more time:

The democrats do not represent the entire "left", not even a fraction of it. Especially Hillary Clinton. I know the sheep like to bray about how librool she is, but you will find her politics most compatible with many conservative talking points.

please, do us all a favor, stop listening to a drug addict. That fool has been on the air a long time now, has he really made America a better place? Has he created anything positive to build on?

Posted by crabwalk at 03/27/2008 @ 07:09am

Oh, and please, please, stop living in fear.

Posted by crabwalk at 03/27/2008 @ 07:11am

This just in: Clinton takes a hit in new poll; positive rating drops to a new low of 37%. But her negative rating is on the rise, it's now at 48%. Must be due to her "misspeaking" (that's "LYING" for those of you in Rio Linda). Dig in, people; Operation Chaos will push on. We can't let this get us down! Pennsylvania. Indiana. Nebraska. Kentucky. IDaHo. Montana. PR. Then, we get to observe the Mother of All Conventions; the Rocky Mountain High(jack). Kick back and pop a Coors (paid for with your own earned money), and enjoy the democracy. Someone's feelings (or maybe more?) are going to be hurt.

Posted by Nob City at 03/27/2008 @ 07:51am

All right. "post 50 or 6 of your positions" and let us decide. All right. Abortion is wrong -- but I see that some people think that they have to use it. Their children are better off without parents who dont want them. Those who abort will have to take that up with their creator later. Drug war is useless, although drug use is wrong. Those persons should be separated from the general population until they grow up enough to take care of themselves. Organized religion fulfills a need for some, but can be harmful when abused. Illegal immigrants should be shot at the border and their carcasses left as warning (yes, its draconian). If you murder, you die. Period. People need to take more personal responsibility for their actions and quit expecting the government (or anyone else for that matter) to pick up after their screwups. Homosexuality is a genetic trait. So is psychotic behavior in many instances. Neither is acceptable. Homosexuality violates the single natural purpose of genitalia -- that is, procreation. Have humans subverted that purpose? Probably. Does that allow for homosexuality, bestiality, or other abrogations of natural law. NO. Ability to scientifically accomplish nature's intent has no bearing on the correctness, either. To those of you who are freaking out and calling me a right wing, neo-con, christian whatever -- I don't think that I'm christian, either. I dont have a problem with those who are. I dont have a problem with those who arent. Believe what you will in that regard. While I hold a mixed bag of view, there is one constant -- things in general are black and white (no, that's NOT a race thing). There are no grays. Compromise is for people with no backbone. Acceptance of the differing views of others is not compromise. While I accept your right to be wrong (in my view), that doesnt make you any less wrong (again, my view). Because of that, I will fight you -if that's what you want. I work with a liberal democrat. He and I are diametrically opposed to one another's views. He and I are also friends, primarily because we recognize the other's right to be wrong in those views. People who can't do that are not truly American.

Posted by txfire at 03/27/2008 @ 08:29am

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/action/ignore.mhtml?who=txfire

Nazi creep.

Posted by emile duBois at 03/27/2008 @ 08:55am

what they intended was rule by and for the rich. what they intended was slavery forever. what they intended was women as chattel.

Emily, What a sad understanding of the founders. Yes, they were the rich men of their communities. Those were the only men with the means to be able to accomplish such an audacious act. Prior to that point, no uprising in history led by the underclasses succeeded for long. No uprising CAN succeed without some support of those with power and wealth. The founders were split on slavery, for the most part. As was the majority of the country. Those who felt that they had to have it, justified it. Kind of like drug users. Those who did not need it either didn't like it or didn't care one way either way. "women as chattel". There is no denying that they viewed women in a different light. The majority of them simply respected women differently because their culture viewed women differently. It is difficult for us to judge them for that view because our views are so different. To continue to judge someone from a prior age based solely on view from the current age is short sighted and calls the intelligence of the judge into question. I am not rich, by any stretch. My wife and I filed taxes on less than $80,000 income this year. I was not in this country during slavery, nor were all but a handful of my relatives, who lived on the northern frontier. My wife and I have been married for almost 18 years and together for almost 24. Unfortunately you've stepped off into the cliched assumptions based on my beliefs that I am probably a rich, racist, sexist, probably mysoginistic white male. Parts of that are correct. Most is terrible wrong and insulting. The founders were NOT perfect. Am I? Are you? They were (for their era) the epitome of philosophical thought and innovation. Rather than continuing to wallow in their self pity and blaming others (past and present), they chose a course of action which threatened everything they knew. The risks they took for what was, for them, freedom and liberty were extraordinary. To abase that sacrifice by belittling them for widely held (again, their time) cultural view is ugly and mean spirited. The majority of the rich got that way because they worked for it. Are there those who utilized vicious tactics and abuse others to get where they are? Hell, yes! They still arent the majority. Slavery died with the Civil War. Did the death throes take decades? Well, duh. Try to eliminate any culture wide influence (particularly one with strong economic ties) and see if you can do better. I know that I can't. Ideas die in cultures because enough members of the group finally believe that it is wrong. Women. Tougher. There is always going to be tension between the sexes. There is too much history to not be. Have men as a group denied women a proper place in society? Probably. Part of this was because in ancient history, physical strength had more to do with survival than now. There are STILL jobs which most women should not do. Sorry, reality sucks. Are there women capable of those jobs? Sure. Some can excell. Are there men who can't do those jobs adequately. Sure. As with all things, we should defer to one principal -- can the tasks be accomplish and who is best at it? Pure ability. How do you know ability without trying? You don't. Individual cases where persons are unwilling to try an individual based on their gender should be prosecuted. As a whole, it' unnecessary and a waste of time. Are there men who treat women poorly? Yes. Are there women who treat men poorly? Yes. Also members of either gender who treat members of their own gender like garbage. Or just everyone they meet. You cant effectively regulate humane treatment or respect until parents teach it. An individual cant demand respect, they can only earn it. Some will NEVER give it, no matter how much one tries to force them. It only ticks them off. I've lectured too long. Sorry. That was presumptious of me. I know deep down that we will not see eye to eye on this (or, most likely, much else.) I will leave with an understanding with you (if you will allow it) to agree to disagree. I hope you find comfort in your positions.

Posted by txfire at 03/27/2008 @ 09:05am

side note to Emily - sorry. didnt read your post about paragraphing until after I posted the previous note. will try to remember for future reference.

Posted by txfire at 03/27/2008 @ 09:08am

Posted by TXFIRE 03/27/2008 @ 09:08am | ignore this person

what are you talking about? I made no assumptions about you at all.

the Founding Fathers are held up as some kinds of paragons. they were nothing of the kind. the "American Revolution" was not a revolution at all. it was more of a secession.

Posted by emile duBois at 03/27/2008 @ 09:31am

Drug war is useless, although drug use is wrong. Those persons should be separated from the general population until they grow up enough to take care of themselves. Organized religion fulfills a need for some, but can be harmful when abused. Illegal immigrants should be shot at the border and their carcasses left as warning (yes, its draconian)

this kind of stuff is really beyond the pale. you are a disgusting individual peddling repulsive views.

Posted by emile duBois at 03/27/2008 @ 09:35am

r.e.: Posts by TXFIRE 03/27/2008 @ 08:29am & 09:05am: Very well put. EMILE DUBOIS will never get it. I wish you could be a teacher; but the NEA and AFT would never put up with your views. They would think you are (from Post by EMILE DUBOIS 03/27/2008 @ 08:55am) a Nazi creep. Keep up the good fight!

Posted by Nob City at 03/27/2008 @ 09:51am

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/action/ignore.mhtml?who=Nob%20City

so you're cool with putting drug users in camps? and shooting illegal immigrants at the border?

come to think of it we're doing both already.

Posted by emile duBois at 03/27/2008 @ 10:19am

I thought these neo-cons were AGAINST jackbooted thugs? I guess unless the jackbooted thugs happen to agree with their views? "free Speech" zones are OK with the Finger Fighters For Forgotten Freedoms.

ahh, more neo-conundrums from the peanut patch known as the American Taliban

Posted by crabwalk at 03/27/2008 @ 12:33pm

Who has been manipulating the voting public for the last many years? Who has been planting fake documents and stories to influence elections? Who has been making up phony polls and poll questions before elections, pushing a particular point of view? And who has been ignoring important stories affecting the candidates they favored?

Who has been running puff pieces on their favorites? Who's been running trumped up hit pieces on those candidates they despised?

And now, a harmless, lovable little fuzzball like RUsh comes along, and explains and exploits a loophole in Democrat primaries, and that information has impacted the nominating process. The result? All hell has broken loose.

That's because voter education was not supposed to be Rush's job. Manipulating election results has been the sole responsibility of the Drive-By Media. At least that's the tradition. They are the ones who reserve exclusively for themselves, the right to tamper with and monkey around with election results, to manipulate them.

Now Rush hascome along, gotten in the game, and they are frosted. Rush had the temerity to tinker with a tradition, a liberal Democrat tradition: voter manipulation. Rush had the temerity, Rush had the audacity, Rush had the courage to get in that game himself, to tinker with what they thought was theirs. And they say, "How dare Limbaugh do this?" and they say, "Limbaugh, you will pay. Your job is to shut up and leave electioneering to the main stream media."

Posted by graphicdav at 03/27/2008 @ 1:00pm

Amazing how disagreeing with someone or having a different view results in being branded a racist, fascist, nazi, repulsive, ad nauseum.

When anyone on the right makes a point, it is greeted not with genuine discussion of the merits or a counterpoint, but with insults. The presumption that Rush listeners are uneducated mind numbed robots, that the right supports murder, and only cares about the wealthy is fascinating when you realize this is coming from those who claim to be the "open minded" among us.

The fact is that most of the left leaning public will never understand, nor be able to effectively debate with the majority of us who truly believe that our country is God's greatest gift to mankind, liberty and the world. Their intellectual capacity is sapped completely whenever anyone uses the name Bush, or attempts to explain the overwhelming success of the war on terror and the security it has brought to, not only our country, but most to the majority of the world.

And best of all it pisses them off to no end! ;)

Keep up the good work dittoheads, Long Live Operation Chaos!

Posted by fatboy02 at 03/27/2008 @ 2:02pm

our country is God's greatest gift to mankind, liberty and the world.

Sieg Heil, Sieg Heil, now and forever.

Posted by emile duBois at 03/27/2008 @ 2:24pm

Bohold the avoidance of engaging in thoughtful debate. Instead we get hate spewed by the "diverse and tolerant".

Yeah right

Posted by graphicdav at 03/27/2008 @ 2:29pm

our country is God's greatest gift to mankind, liberty and the world

what arrogance!

Posted by crabwalk at 03/27/2008 @ 2:50pm

I think she was being sarcastic. ...maybe

Posted by graphicdav at 03/27/2008 @ 2:55pm

Posted by CRABWALK 03/27/2008 @ 2:50pm what arrogance!

Posted by EMILE DUBOIS Sieg Heil, Sieg Heil, now and forever.

Why is it arrogance or implied fascism to acknowledge the good that our nation has accomplished? No other country has done more for the benefit of mankind, liberty and justice than the US. This country has thrice saved the world from the evils that the left accuses the US of espousing such as fascism, and the ideologies the left supports socialism, and communism.

Thank you for helping me make my point though. Rather than debate the point you throw insults and call names!

Posted by fatboy02 at 03/27/2008 @ 3:29pm

GRAPHICDAV

who was? Emile?

Posted by fatboy02 at 03/27/2008 @ 3:30pm

I believe that Emile was being sarcastic prompting CRABWALK's response of arrogance! For my own point of view I believe that this country is the greatest country that has ever existed on Earth... ever.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/27/2008 @ 3:39pm

It is not our government that makes it great. It is (partially) our form of government that allows ordinary people to acomplish extrodinary things. Which is one reason I'm a Republican, I support that limited for of government to get out of the way of us people.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/27/2008 @ 3:42pm

Too bad not every one appreciates our country. I've been watching John Adams on HBO and though it sped through the run up to independence and the actual Revo War quite quickly, it still leaves a weighty impression of the risks taken by so many.

I think most of the men and women fighting for us today understand the words "we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor". Pretty hefty words. It is apparent that not everyone understands.

get ready to duck, more insults on their way in 5..4..3..

Posted by fatboy02 at 03/27/2008 @ 3:50pm

I agree that it is not government itself which is great. When I speak of our country I certainly don't refer to the government, but rather to the beliefs and principals that value individualism and liberty over collectivism.

But that is an interesting concept, I'm sure when some hear those of us who feel blessed to be Americans praising the US, they may mistaken believe we are praising government, which has always been a force for oppression and the acquisition of power over others.

I'm not sure any form of government can be good, just better. We happen to have one of the better forms, a republic, which not only allows for individual choice (the pursuit of happiness), but also allows us to dismantle and reform it when it begins to oppress. We may soon have need for that option again

Posted by fatboy02 at 03/27/2008 @ 4:02pm

Fatboy & Graphicdav, I love you guys! Not only did we save the world, but as conquerers we gave the losers there country back. It is so sad that people have a misguided outlook of our country. I have become far more conservative as I get older. I can hardly vote for any candidate anymore. Our care in fighting in Iraq is a great example of how much we value life. To a lib that will sound absurd, but we could have saturation bombed like Clinton did in Serbia. This has put our troops at a greater danger, which I do not like. America must walk tall and carry a big stick! who cares what any country thinks! To stay true to the forum, It is funny how the the libs are wetting there linen over there honorable indignation. Ha! long live Rush!!!

Posted by Daddude at 03/27/2008 @ 5:54pm

"our country is God's greatest gift to mankind, liberty and the world."

greatest gift to the indian population which was exterminated.

god's gift to the slaves who were exploited and worse for 300 years.

god's gift to the blacks who were lynched and raped.

god's gift to the 100,000 Iraqis who died during the American occupation.

I think you should give it back to god.

Posted by emile duBois at 03/27/2008 @ 6:59pm

...and yesterday Sith was having trouble with the concept of lefties who hate America.

Well Sith! There you go!

Posted by graphicdav at 03/27/2008 @ 7:09pm

Not only did we save the world, but as conquerors we gave the losers there country back. It is so sad that people have a misguided outlook of our country. I have become far more conservative as I get older. I can hardly vote for any candidate anymore. Our care in fighting in Iraq is a great example of how much we value life. To a lib that will sound absurd, but we could have saturation bombed like Clinton did in Serbia. This has put our troops at a greater danger, which I do not like. America must walk tall and carry a big stick! who cares what any country thinks!

Posted by DADDUDE 03/27/2008 @ 5:54pm

What? You guys ARE f&%king nuts! I mean, how did we save the world? And where will this stop? Do we now get to invade EVERY country that won't sell us cheap oil and let us exploit their labor force and third-world economy? At what point will someone need to save the world from US? At least you can admit that we are conquerors, but WHEN did we give them their country back exactly? We're still there, aren't we? Defending not the people, but the puppet, colonial government we forced upon them with "elected" officials hand picked by the Bush Administration. The people, well, that's who we're killing. And, killing people shows how much you value life how, exactly? Typical example of how Rush-puppets falsely assume that by simply saying something, then it makes it true. After all, Rush does it all the time, rarely giving any evidence to back up his misguided opinions. Yes, it is indeed very sad the YOU have such a misguided opinion of our country, that you've decided that we are incapable of coming up with a better, more peaceful solution than war.

What you said isn't simply absurd. It's downright Orwellian. War is peace so let's screw for virginity too, huh (sorry to have to sound like a bumper sticker, but since you do too, why not?)? I mean, why bother saturation bombing Iraq, when the Pentagon, the largest terrorist organization in the world, can just order our troops to use the Iraqi people as blast shields and let the insurgents do the dirty work. How brave! And economical, too! I can't even figure out why you guys have to ask why you get called fascists. I wonder if Hitler told himself that kind of crap while he was "saving" the world from the Jews. If we wanted to show the world that we valued life, we would have at least TRIED another solution first, instead of IMMEDIATELY waging a war for revenge, becoming our enemy, and using their tactics; OUR tactics that we TRAINED them to use. If you didn't want the troops at risk, then you should have thought of that before you agreed to kill them. You guys may support the war and the policy, but you "support" the troops like pallbearers.

And if you don't care what other countries think (just as North Korea doesn't), then why should they care what we think? Because if they don't, then we'll show up and kill them all, thus proving them right…again!

Posted by sithspawn at 03/27/2008 @ 8:09pm

Sith,

"And the right needs to realize that the left isn't just the democratic party. Some of us "lefties" (whatever that means) don't need masters. Which is why so many of us oppose blind complacancy to capitalism, corporate slavery, and party politics."

I understand that but it was irrelevant to my point. If it pleases you than feel free to change "the left" to "the democrats".

Secondly,

"Guilty of what, exactly?"

He was guilty of having an affair with Monica, i.e. he did it. Now the point I was making has nothing to do with the fairness or propriety of this being investigated. Once it was out it was beyond his control and he wasn't going to be able to put the genie back in the bottle. At this point he should have cut his losses, admitted it, and allowed the story to be over sooner. Yes the republicans would have milked it for all it was worth. But don't kid yourself the other side would have done the same thing. Coincidentally if he had done this he wouldn't have tried lying to a grand jury which is actually the "guilt" he got into trouble for legally. Admitting it up front would have caused political trouble, but it would have gone away sooner. Admitting it after telling a grand jury he didn't do it got him in legal and political trouble. The point is that Clinton was going to take a hit either way, but the sooner he admitted it the less of a hit his party would suffer. That is what I meant about the Clinton's putting their own success ahead of their party's. If Hillary wanted to do whats best for the party she would drop out. That's not what she is concerned about.

Third, if you believe that "operation chaos" is not having any effect than why do you care what Rush listeners are saying? I'm sure you believe they are mind-numbed robots, or sheep, or whatever.

My point is that democrats need to examine themselves once in awhile instead of whining and pointing fingers at everybody else. They are responsible for their own election rules as well as for the candidates they have chosen.

Posted by cjram at 03/27/2008 @ 8:17pm

...and yesterday Sith was having trouble with the concept of lefties who hate America.

Well Sith! There you go!

Posted by GRAPHICDAV 03/27/2008 @ 7:09pm

Ha ha. Yup, and you just proved me right. I wasn't having any problem with the concept, just your irrational definition of love. There isn't anything EMILE said that isn't historically accurate, so what's your point?

Just because we are disgusted with some of the atrocities that this country has committed, doesn't mean we hate America, you simple minded coward. If you get upset with your kid for screwing up, does it mean you hate your kid? I mean, do you not realize that while "discovering" this continent and founding the country, our founders killed almost three times as many people as the Nazis did? If you think that those things are good things, then who really hates America? And if those things are what America really is all about, then why SHOULDN'T we hate it? Because that's not the peaceful, freedom loving, and open-armmedly accepting America that I was apparently lied to about in elementary school.

Good thing you weren't born in Nazi Germany, GRAPHICDAV, or else you would be out mixing mortar for the furnaces.

Posted by sithspawn at 03/27/2008 @ 8:23pm

But don't kid yourself the other side would have done the same thing. Coincidentally if he had done this he wouldn't have tried lying to a grand jury which is actually the "guilt" he got into trouble for legally. Admitting it up front would have caused political trouble, but it would have gone away sooner. Admitting it after telling a grand jury he didn't do it got him in legal and political trouble. The point is that Clinton was going to take a hit either way, but the sooner he admitted it the less of a hit his party would suffer. That is what I meant about the Clinton's putting their own success ahead of their party's.

Posted by CJRAM 03/27/2008 @ 8:17pm

You won't get any argument from me that both side waste tax dollars on pointless arguments. That's the fatal flaw of a bipartisan system, though for better or mostly worse.

I think I get your point, but you've also made another one that needs to be emphasized as well: You're telling me that Clinton is guilty of lying to a grand jury about a private matter that should never have come before a grand jury, as you admitted yourself? That's your point? What wonderful logic.

As for the part about putting their own success before that of the party, isn't that the same as what corporate CEO's do all the time? Giving themselves unchecked pay raises, while laying of their employees to make up the difference, often driving the company into bankruptcy (granted, in my opinion, ultimately to the benefit of the people and small business owners)? And, by the way, since the parties no longer truly represent the people, then why would I WANT a politician in office the bows down to party group-think?

Op. Chaos: It's not that I don't believe it's having an affect, necessarily. It's just that I'm not going to believe some Rush-puppet who thinks that by simply saying that its working, then it makes it true, which is why I asked for some evidence. I mean, it could just as easily be true that Hillary supporters saw that she was falling behind, and so they came out in numbers greater than they would have otherwise, because they felt they needed to, right? So, instead of allowing the obvious speculation, I simply asked for some evidence to back up the claim. If that's so hard to come up with, then I'm probably correct in questioning the apparently false claim.

Now, as for why I care what the Rush-puppets are saying. It's because Rush makes shtuff up, misrepresents data and information, hand picks just the info to present to his audience that he wants them to have, and wording things just the right was so as to lead them exactly where he wants them to go. Like sheep, yes. This is probably why I haven't been presented with any evidence that Op. Chaos is working, because there isn't any. Rush made that up, too. And since some, if not most, of his listeners only get their "news" from him and Faux News, and don't have enough self respect or foesight to look into it for themselves, to confirm that they aren't being lied to (which they are in most cases. or at least only being told half the story), then they just blindly assume that he knows what he's talking about. That is dangerous, no matter which side of the aisle you're on. 1984 Orwellian, by definition.

Here's an example: Rush once claimed that there is more forest land in the US now than there was when it was founded. Seems pretty straight forward, right? Wrong. Not only is his claim false, but he fails to clarify what he means by forestland. Does he include holiday tree farms:) in those numbers? If he does, then it's deceptive. What about other tree farms, which aren't diverse and are cut down every few years? Is he including those? If not, then he's misleading you. And what about the fact that America NOW is vastly larger than America THEN? Is he truly comparing apples-to-apples, or is he just telling you the parts of the story that he WANTS you to know. I have to ask these questions because he doesn't clarify himself, and you can bet his listeners don't ask themselves these questions. But why would he? It's propaganda, so that would be defeating the purpose.

Posted by sithspawn at 03/27/2008 @ 9:09pm

"I think I get your point, but you've also made another one that needs to be emphasized as well: You're telling me that Clinton is guilty of lying to a grand jury about a private matter that should never have come before a grand jury, as you admitted yourself? That's your point? What wonderful logic."

You can argue about the logic or reasonableness of it but it is irrelevant. I'm neither defending nor condemning it. Its just a fact. Just as the steroid investigation is not something congress should be involved in, the players who are found to have lied before a grand jury will suffer the consequences. It is illegal to commit purgery regardless of the question, ask Martha Stewart. If Bill had stood up, took the hit, it would have been better for the party. Nothing more, nothing less. He chose not to do so and hurt the credibility of his party. No taking one for the team on his part, just trying to save himself. Not good for the party. That same mentality is being demonstrated by Hillary. Not Rush's fault but her's.

Posted by cjram at 03/27/2008 @ 9:35pm

"Now, as for why I care what the Rush-puppets are saying. It's because Rush makes shtuff up, misrepresents data and information, hand picks just the info to present to his audience that he wants them to have, and wording things just the right was so as to lead them exactly where he wants them to go. Like sheep, yes. This is probably why I haven't been presented with any evidence that Op. Chaos is working, because there isn't any. Rush made that up, too. And since some, if not most, of his listeners only get their "news" from him and Faux News, and don't have enough self respect or foesight to look into it for themselves, to confirm that they aren't being lied to (which they are in most cases. or at least only being told half the story), then they just blindly assume that he knows what he's talking about. That is dangerous, no matter which side of the aisle you're on. 1984 Orwellian, by definition."

You don't think the dems do the same?

Posted by cjram at 03/27/2008 @ 9:40pm

the worst thing anyone can do here is criticize anything about Amerika.

the best thing anyone can do here is wave the flag.

excuse me while I barf

Posted by emile duBois at 03/27/2008 @ 9:42pm

Sith, Give me a break! Anyone living anywhere where the last conquerers. Peace is not of this earth! Sorry we are all broken! I guess you would be happy speaking Japanese or German? There are terrible things done by our Gov't. That is true! So what? Condemn the whole country, yeah that is rational! The strong survive and so be it. Killing people is wrong, but some how it seems to happen everyday! If they reported the rapes and murders Committed in LA everyday like they did the Iraq war you would never go to that city! Its in the packaging and hype, bad news sells. I highly doubt that you have listened to Rush. Thats OK but realize we hear the Main Stream Propaganda Machine of the Democrats everyday(NYTimes, LATimes), so it gives some balance. They used to be good News Papers, that reported all the news. I do not trust European News for truth either, but you might by chance get close to it by listening to them all.

Posted by Daddude at 03/27/2008 @ 10:05pm

Sith, Give me a break! Anyone living anywhere where the last conquerers. Peace is not of this earth! Sorry we are all broken! I guess you would be happy speaking Japanese or German? There are terrible things done by our Gov't. That is true! So what? Condemn the whole country, yeah that is rational! The strong survive and so be it. Killing people is wrong, but some how it seems to happen everyday! If they reported the rapes and murders Committed in LA everyday like they did the Iraq war you would never go to that city! Its in the packaging and hype, bad news sells. I highly doubt that you have listened to Rush. Thats OK but realize we hear the Main Stream Propaganda Machine of the Democrats everyday(NYTimes, LATimes), so it gives some balance. They used to be good News Papers, that reported all the news. I do not trust European News for truth either, but you might by chance get close to it by listening to them all.

Posted by DADDUDE 03/27/2008 @ 10:05pm

I'll make you a deal. I'll give you a break when you start giving my fellow human beings a break and stop killing them, Osama!? Peace is not of this earth, huh? And what exactly are you doing with that knowledge, other than making sure it stays that way? Sorry, but not all of us are broken. That's why we oppose your bloodlust.

Now, here we go again with the "America is so great because we saved the Jews 60+ years ago" crutch. One of these days, we're going to have to do something else good again, so we've got a new excuse for everything we do. I mean, we're talking about a war in which we fought racism using segregated armies, do liberate people from Germany's Jewish prison camps while we were building our own here at home for the Japanese. Honestly, it seems that the only thing we accomplished in WWII was to postpone what YOU now embrace. Even down to the rebuilding of the Berlin wall along the Rio Grande. Oh, but then I'm pretty sure I'm talking to someone who worships a bigoted dis-infotainer who apparently thinks that America's "culture" (as if we only have one) would be completely gutted if people are allowed to actually exercise the First Amendment in Spanish. Would I be happier speaking Japanese or German? I wouldn't know. But since it's just another language, I can't say that I think I would be UNHAPPY. Seems to work out ok for my Japanese and German friends.

It amazes me the way you guys ignore all possibility for a better world, just so you can justify your blind hate. Finally, though, you admit that our government does terrible things! But I wouldn't tell that to Rush if I were you, or else he'll accuse you of hating America and not supporting the troops, you pinko-commie. And your response is "So what?"!? So we say that other people are wrong for doing the exact same things that we do, but it's apparently ok for us to do it? I mean, if America is truly supposed to be some beacon of hope, freedom, and democracy, then maybe we should consider starting to act like it. Maybe then it won't just be a lie and a propaganda slogan, and people other than brainwashed nationalists like yourself will actually have a reason to believe it. Now, if you can just point out where I condemned the whole country, rather than my having simply been criticizing it's repetitively idiotic foreign and domestic policy decisions, I'd love to know. Of course, you can't though, because this is just another example of someone hearing what they want to hear instead of what was actually said.

Oh, please please please, would the news crews FINALLY start showing what goes on in the inner city on the 11 o'clock news. I think the people hiding out in the ‘burbs could use a reminder of the kind of suffering, impoverishment, and desperation that is required in order for them to maintain their unjustifiably, over-privileged lifestyles.

Have I listened to Rush? A few more times than I care too admit, and wish I could somehow delete the memories of it. Honestly, I found him to be hilarious, to a point, because he's so moronic, but also scary because I know there are people out there who are actually stupid (I should say, uneducated) enough to believe he actually has a clue as to what he's talking about. Mostly, I've just read the transcripts he has on his website, and man is he full of crap. And then right at the end, you hit on the biggest lie of them all: Liberal media. In Rush's world, anyone what isn't a Nazi sympathizer is a liberal, and his listeners have been subjected to his propaganda for soooo long that they've actually been convinced that everything else is propaganda. How pathetic! Those other newspapers still are good newspapers, mostly. It's just that your brain used to actually function on it's own without needing to jack in to the Rush mainframe once a day.

Posted by sithspawn at 03/28/2008 @ 03:39am

we saved the Jews 60+ years ago" crutch.

actually we did NOT save the jews. no trains to the death camps were bombed. refugee ships were turned away. just another self serving lie.

fine posting Sith

Posted by emile duBois at 03/28/2008 @ 08:58am

LIMBAUGH: On the Republicans' "Contract With America": "The New York Times never ran anything on the contract 'til after the election. The rest of the news media hardly talked about it at all." (TV, 4/6/95)

REALITY: In the 42 days between the announcement of the "Contract with America" and the Nov. 8, 1994 election, the New York Times published 45 articles that mentioned the contract--more than one a day. The Nexis computer database reports that more than 1400 pieces mentioning the contract were published before the election.

Rush:"It has not been proven that nicotine is addictive, the same with cigarettes causing emphysema [and other diseases]." (Radio show, 4/29/94)

Reality: "Nicotine's addictiveness has been reported in medical literature since the turn of the century. Surgeon General C. Everett Koop's 1988 report on nicotine addiction left no doubts on the subject; "Today the scientific base linking smoking to a number of chronic diseases is overwhelming, with a total of 50,000 studies from dozens of countries," states Encyclopedia Britannica's 1987 "Medical and Health Annual."

Rush:EPA rules actually may have caused the shuttle Columbia disaster. It goes like this. They used to use Freon in the ingredients of the foam that they spray on the -- that solid fuel tank. It's that foam that fell off -- that chunks of it fall off, and the second to go shuttle mission created a hole in the wing and led to the disaster on re-entry. They can't use Freon anymore. They had to use something else to cause the foam to bond to the fuel tank, and it was not nearly as good as Freon was. And that's why the chunks started coming loose. And so they came up with some other substance that is a little stickier and causes the stuff to bond better, but it still doesn't work as well as Freon did.

So maybe -- a lot of people are beginning to think that the banning of Freon actually caused the shuttle accident, the Columbia shuttle accident, two flights ago. And I'm inclined to believe it when I hear this.

Reality: Freon was used to attach foam.

Posted by crabwalk at 03/28/2008 @ 11:14am

Hola Muchacos...

Hey Sith, you said, "There isn't anything EMILE said that isn't historically accurate, so what's your point?"

She starts her post with "our country is God's greatest gift to mankind, liberty and the world." and ends it with "I think you should give it back to god." The stuff in the middle was just some of her reasons she hates America you dope.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/28/2008 @ 1:54pm

Yeah I give up! I guess we should model our country after Cuba! or better yet Zimbabwe. We made both of those countries become what they are? NOT!! Pseudo Intellectuals can blast this country all they want, that is not going to change the nature of man. If you think you can convince a Muslim Fanatic not to cut off you head because your nice and don't step on ants or eat meat you are simply unreachable. If you do not have the sack to protect your self from some one intent on harming you than so be it. I will!! Liberal thought is an oxymoronic term.they are babies that were not spanked enough sorry, your bad! Grow up and quit hating your country!

Posted by Daddude at 03/29/2008 @ 10:44pm

She starts her post with "our country is God's greatest gift to mankind, liberty and the world." and ends it with "I think you should give it back to god." The stuff in the middle was just some of her reasons she hates America you dope.

Posted by GRAPHICDAV 03/28/2008 @ 1:54pm

So you are defending the "god's greatest gift" comment, which sounds a lot like what the Taliban said about their control over Afghanistan,while condeming accurate historical fact, and you are calling me the dope? Think, lambchop. Think. Do you remember what that is like?

Posted by sithspawn at 03/30/2008 @ 9:01pm

Hey, EMILE. Can you clarify your last post? I actually couldn't tell if you were complimenting my post or not (re: "fine post"). Kinda hard to pick up on sarcasm on these blogs sometimes. Just want to make sure there's no misunderstanding...

Posted by sithspawn at 03/31/2008 @ 03:40am

Sith, you're a dope because you don't even realize that I through you down on your original premise. Which you probably don't even remember.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/31/2008 @ 1:17pm

Wow, Emily. you really hate how things are here, dont you? That's sad. everything makes you sick, everyone else is pathetic, blah,blah,blah, etc. It's a shame that your parents didnt teach you to play well with others.

I'm a Nazi? I don't think so. If I were, I wouldn't be able to accept a difference of opinion. Apparently, in that respect at least, you might be more in goose stepping fashion than I.

Oh, yeah to whomever thought I was a neo con. Probably not. Old style conservative.

Go ahead, Emily. That probably grates on you as well.

Posted by txfire at 03/31/2008 @ 1:27pm

GRAPHICDAV, I'm still waiting for you to make a point.

Posted by sithspawn at 03/31/2008 @ 2:54pm

SITH... I offered the quote by EMILE because it went at odds with your earlier assertion on "America hating". so it was funny. it seems like such a waste to have to explain it to you, but I'm just nice like that.

It was her quote dude, you wanna argue with her about it be my guest.

Posted by graphicdav at 03/31/2008 @ 5:09pm

GRAPHICDAV, I said I'm waiting for you to make a point because "her" quote wasn't at odds with my statement in any way, you just didn't (and still don't) get my point. You are still stuck on Rush's tired ass "hates America" slogan. And I have a feeling, though maybe I'm wrong, that you've falsely assumed that "Emile" is a she. I have a vague suspicion that it is a reference to Rousseau's 18th century novel about society and the nature of man (something DADDUDE clearly knows nothing about). Or maybe it's a reference to the 2003 Ian McKellan film of the same title. Or maybe, you should realize that "Emile" is a guy's name, as in the star of the upcoming SpeedRacer movie, Emile Hirsch.

Anyway, when you guys say "hate America", what do you mean by "America"? I mean, what aspect of America are you referring to exactly?

America's laws? Most of which I love, though I don't agree with all of them. It is fully within my rights to do so in this country, but that hasn't seemed to matter much since Bush and his minions choose to ignore, distort, or rewrite them.

America's corporatistic monopolies? Or as you would call it, capitalism, which is basically just modernized, neo-fascist propaganda speak for the same thing (per Musollini himself, and he would know since he sort of invented fascism), which some of the founding fathers directly opposed during the Boston Tea Party (corporate monopolies over tea trade in the colonies), and which I suppose, with your twisted sense of "patriotism", somehow oddly makes them traitors in your mind.

America's excessive militarization? Which has been draining our wealth for years, is used as an excuse for why "we can't afford" a national health care system (among other things for our people) the likes of which almost every other industrialized nation on the planet has (democratic or otherwise). Our bloated military budget obviously did nothing to protect us on 9-11, and in all likelihood is currently serving to inadvertently, or maybe intentionally, get us attacked again in the future, since our global military presence is actually one of the biggest, legitimate grievances the "terrorist" have against us and the main reason we were attacked, per bin Laden's own words.

America's government and so-called elected officials? Who have repeatedly ignored the people's voice, appointing whomever they wish not only to positions of power in this country, but to decide for us who we get to vote for, i.e. primaries, and often pass legislation without first, in any way, consulting the people that pay their salaries via taxes?

America's freedoms? I love my freedoms, and am willing to speak out to and against my government, go to jail if necessary, and even lay down my life and bodily well-being in order to protect those freedoms. But that isn't something we've legitimately had to do for a VERY long time, and generally, it is our own government which has been the greatest threat to freedom in this country. Our freedoms, though greatly limited in some senses of the term, are the things that most make this a truly great nation, such as freedom of speech, to disagree with our elected officials, to dissent from the official storyboard of the governmental powers, which ironically Rush (and his drones) hates US for and use as a pathetic excuse for falsely claiming that I hate America?

America's people? This is the big one, because the people of this country are generally amazing people, no matter where they originally came here from, or in the case of the Native Americans, have been here since, nearly, the dawn of man. It the people that not only make this country, but make it great, and have kept it free. But that is true of the entire human race, not just Americans. Often time, if you can or are willing to admit this, it is people in or from other parts of the world that have helped to teach US what freedom truly means.

I fully realize the fact that the following concept may be out of reach of your mental capabilities, there is a difference between hating your country and being able to admit that there are things that your country has done in its history that are disturbing and disgraceful, rather than ONLY admitting to the things its done as a nation which are benevolent and well-intentioned. Thomas Jefferson taught me that much, but I suppose he hated America too, huh? You know, what you call "patriotism" isn't patriotism; it's nationalism, by definition. It's not unpatriotic to criticize your country/government, especially when it's clearly made a mistake, or has taken arrogant steps in a wrong, belligerent direction. If truly patriotic people such as Rosa Parks, MLK, Abe Lincoln, Thomas Paine, among MANY others, had kept their mouths shut and NOT criticized their government for its mistakes while it was making them, we would not have nearly the freedoms that we now have, which, again, I love, but which Bush has been limiting for the last eight years, and for which today's patriots are speaking out, no matter how much you hate them for it or disagree, in order to guarantee that future generations have those freedoms as well.

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