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RedditAnother GOP congressman has been indicted. This time it's Rick Renzi, indicted by a federal grand jury in Arizona today on charges of wire fraud, money laundering and extortion as part of a multimillion dollar land deal that allegedly improperly benefited Renzi and his business partners.
Renzi, a three-time representative from Arizona's First Congressional District who announced his retirement in August, also happens to be a close ally of Senator John McCain. Renzi is a co-chair of McCain's campaign in Arizona. The Arizona Republic describes the two men as "close." In June 2006, McCain sent out a fundraising letter on Renzi's behalf.
"Already his liberal opponents have started advertising on television against him and the Washington liberals have recruited a multi-millionaire from Ohio to challenge him in November," McCain wrote in the e-mail. "Rick's opponent, Ellen Simon, is the former president of the ACLU and has pledged to spend millions of her own dollars to defeat Rick. We simply cannot let this happen," McCain said.
As far back as September 2005, Citizens for Ethics and Responsibility in Washington listed Renzi as one of the "most corrupt" members of Congress. News of Renzi's land scheme had been percolating for a long time before it finally became public in October 2006. "Many people had information on Rick Renzi and his corrupt practices in 2006, which is one reason I ran for Congress," says Ellen Simon, a civil rights lawyer who was falsely accused by McCain and others of being president of the ACLU. "At the same time this information was known, John McCain was actively supporting Renzi in the race."
Renzi narrowly defeated Simon in the fall. On November 14, 2006, McCain's political action committee, Friends of John McCain, donated $2,000 to Renzi, despite the controversy surrounding him.
The US Attorney in charge of the Renzi investigation, Paul Charlton, was later forced out of office as part of "Attorneygate." According to Charlton, DOJ officials in Washington pressured his office to delay the Renzi indictment until after his victory in November. That's exactly what ended up happening.
More recently, Renzi visited Iraq with McCain in the spring of 2007--the same trip where McCain, under the protection of 100 American soldiers, three Blackhawk helicopters, and two Apache gunships, famously declared that it was safe to "walk freely" through a Baghdad marketplace. "He's giving it to 'em straight," Renzi said after.
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This general election is going to be very interesting.
Carol
Posted by harriscrl3 at 02/22/2008 @ 1:23pm
How soon until our resident right-wingers scream...
"They HELD OFF the indictment of Renzi until this week as part of the Vast Lib'rul Conspiracy to destroy John McCain!!!!"
Posted by Mask at 02/22/2008 @ 1:29pm
Carol, you can say that again!
Posted by FritztheCat at 02/22/2008 @ 1:32pm
The ironic part being the whole neo-con plan to delay the indictment worked anyway. Wonder if the new attorney has his/her head on the chopping block now. After all Grandpa is Bush-approved, can't have anything interfering with the Bush family agenda.
Posted by yutsano at 02/22/2008 @ 1:34pm
It looks like we are going to have a lot of "poor judgment" issues with McCain in November!
Romney must be regretting his "suspension" of his campaign right now with the NYT story and now this. I hope he stays out so we can bury McCain in November!
Posted by Metteyya at 02/22/2008 @ 1:38pm
Well...
I have no doubt that if Obama gets the nomination the day after something is going to brng rezco to the front page again.
If its Hillary that 30 million deal with Bill Clinton and Kazingston.
But in the mean time I'm going to enjoy these potential McCain swiftboating information coming out.
Carol
Posted by harriscrl3 at 02/22/2008 @ 1:44pm
ah - the straight talk express...
looks like fliipy mac bellyfeels like a good party man when it comes to his endorsements...
aclu! my flippy mac - you are as good a doubleplusgood duckspeaker as there is in your party!!!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 02/22/2008 @ 1:45pm
Kazingston.
uh, do you mean kazakhstan?
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/22/2008 @ 1:55pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 02/22/2008 @ 1:45pm
fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money fear and money
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/22/2008 @ 1:55pm
Keating 5, illegitimate black child, "Mad Mac" Attack (ca. 2000), the Iseman (girl) Cometh, now Shifty Rick, BFF. And it isn't even June.
Now the Pubs will see the lesson we learned so well with Chimpy. Find someone with almost no discernible public record and run that person for POTUS. Much harder to find mud to sling that will stick. But this time our guy's got an operational cerebrum. No apparent activity with Flat-Liner Chimpy.
Posted by goyadad at 02/22/2008 @ 1:58pm
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 02/22/2008 @ 1:55pm | ignore this person
doubleplusgood duckspeak doubleplusgood duckspeak doubleplusgood duckspeak doubleplusgood duckspeak doubleplusgood duckspeak
language of the GOP!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 02/22/2008 @ 1:59pm
It's looking like a lot of ammo for the general election in favor of the dems.
However, remember 2004? There was PLENTY of dirt on GWB, and Kerry still managed to blow it!
We'll see how Obama (hopefully) plays his stacked deck.
Posted by MATTMAN at 02/22/2008 @ 2:01pm
Goodsex and sexcrime! Goodsex and sexcrime! Goodsex and sexcrime! Goodsex and sexcrime! Goodsex and sexcrime! Goodsex and sexcrime! Goodsex and sexcrime! Goodsex and sexcrime!
the family values party.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/22/2008 @ 2:08pm
well, after 2000 and especially 2004 i guess talking a lot of doubleplusgood duckspeak to the potential voters like we're all a pack of stupid prolefeeded dupes seemed like the right thing to do...though the nature of the 2000 election and the results of the 2006 would seem to shed some doubt on the efficacy of such...
but along comes barry o, talking all his crimethink, speaking to the voter like he or she is more than a prolefeeded idiot...
guess the inner circle types have a hard time not doubleplusgood duckspeaking to prole nation...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 02/22/2008 @ 2:13pm
Some written letter by McCain has surfaced in which he, himself writes he spoke to Mr. Paxon about the telecommunications deal. That contradicts what he said yesterday. Granted, could be bad memory. After all, the dude is 71 years old.
Still, gonna be a bad week for McCain.
Posted by FritztheCat at 02/22/2008 @ 2:16pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 02/22/2008 @ 2:13pm
doubleplusungoodthink.
joycamp for you, ownlifer.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/22/2008 @ 2:19pm
Still, gonna be a bad week for McCain.
Posted by FRITZTHECAT 02/22/2008 @ 2:16pm
Yeah, he got 'splainin to do all right.
I heard about this letter on Democracy Now this morning and in all honesty, it doesn't appear to be that damning. He urges FCC members to hurry up and make a decision, though nothing substantial about what type of decision is urged. It was described as a "highly unusual" thing to do, and regarded by many as unethical, but I don't see this as something that the GOP machine will have trouble arguing McCain's way out of.
Posted by MATTMAN at 02/22/2008 @ 2:35pm
America clearly loves crooked republicans, as is evident by it's past (and especially its recent past) voting record. I think Obama should just lay down and play dead already since we've obviously sealed the deal here folks.
Posted by MATTMAN at 02/22/2008 @ 2:39pm
MATT, what I read was on Politico. Apparently yesterday McCain said he hadn't spoken with Mr. Paxon about the whole FCC thing. Then, I want to say it was Newsweek, got a hold of a letter written by McCain that said he had talked to Paxon.
Still, probably not a big deal. I couldn't tell you who I spoke to last week.
I think the crux of it goes to his (McCain's) stance on lobbyists. He's deeper into lobbyists then he claims. Overall, not really different from other politicians but then again, he's saying he doesn't do anything for anyone and that may be false.
Posted by FritztheCat at 02/22/2008 @ 2:39pm
I think the crux of it goes to his (McCain's) stance on lobbyists. He's deeper into lobbyists then he claims. Overall, not really different from other politicians but then again, he's saying he doesn't do anything for anyone and that may be false.
Posted by FRITZTHECAT 02/22/2008 @ 2:39pm
That's a good point, but then didn't something on Obama's ties to "special interests" recently surface that contradicts his rhetoric? I admittedly don't know the facts on this allegation; I'm looking ahead to potential angles the right may opt for soon.
Posted by MATTMAN at 02/22/2008 @ 2:49pm
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 02/22/2008 @ 2:19pm
daddy. i want to go to moo U.!
ralphy wiggum expressing desire to attend the beef slaughterhouse euphemistically referred to as such by troy mcclure...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 02/22/2008 @ 2:55pm
Posted by ZERO 02/22/2008 @ 2:27pm
who knows? such an a-typical election...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 02/22/2008 @ 2:57pm
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZwell, no publicity is bad publicityzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Posted by TransitDave at 02/22/2008 @ 3:01pm
The Republican Party: A government by and for the Corporations and special interests.
Posted by cirwin at 02/22/2008 @ 3:29pm
uh, do you mean kazakhstan?
Yes, sorry i'm not the best speller.
Carol
Posted by harriscrl3 at 02/22/2008 @ 3:35pm
Arizona could use more sunshine. From Eli Blake's Deep Thought 12/06--US Attorney Paul Charlton was investigating Rick Renzi when made an offer he had trouble refusing. He ended up working at Kennedy and Gallagher law firm based in Pheonix for more money and working along side his wife. In 1976, Don Bolles, an investigative reporter, was looking at mob connections to Arizona legislators around land deals, was car bombed. His dying words were ``Emprise mob.'' If McCain is going to the gates of hell to get Osama, the Senator might start in Pheonix.
Posted by Sander_Fred at 02/22/2008 @ 3:40pm
Arizona could use more sunshine. From Eli Blake's Deep Thought 12/06--US Attorney Paul Charlton was investigating Rick Renzi when made an offer he had trouble refusing. He ended up working at Kennedy and Gallagher law firm based in Pheonix for more money and working along side his wife. In 1976, Don Bolles, an investigative reporter, was looking at mob connections to Arizona legislators around land deals, was car bombed. His dying words were ``Emprise mob.'' If McCain is going to the gates of hell to get Osama, the Senator might start in Pheonix.
Posted by Sander_Fred at 02/22/2008 @ 3:41pm
Posted by TRANSITDAVE 02/22/2008 @ 3:01pm | ignore this person
ah ideed, master of doubleplusgood duckspeak! in the anteorder which did not really exist after all, goodsex with someone other than the mother of one's issue was considered ungood by the republican BB, but now that the straightspeak doubleplusgood standard bearer of the neworder has been revealed to have engaged in such ante-ungood activity, the full force of the minitrue backed by the creatve thinkpol at cato and heritage, verify your current goodthink doubleplusgoodthink!
can't argue with that!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 02/22/2008 @ 3:46pm
Hmmm, that's interesting...
a post of mine on an Orwellian use of the "memory hole" here at "The Nation"...
has been deleted!
Posted by Mask at 02/22/2008 @ 3:59pm
Oh, my bad...still there, wrong thread.
Posted by Mask at 02/22/2008 @ 4:00pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 02/22/2008 @ 3:46pm
Ibble, caught in the matrix, are we?
Posted by TransitDave at 02/22/2008 @ 4:10pm
Posted by MASK 02/22/2008 @ 4:00pm
unspeak such crimethink and unremember. that which unhappened unhappened. upsub to the current dayorder! its friday and the prolefeed is primed and life is too unlong to ref things unhappened and unsaid. i'm sure you unwant me to report such crimespeak to the miniluv...why not just jump onboard the straightspeak and forget your ownlife - thatle only make you unhappy and maybe get you unpersoned anyway.
its a doubleplusgood blackwhite world where "hope" is the anteduckspeak and straightspeak is the newspeak we all bellythink!!!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 02/22/2008 @ 4:13pm
Posted by TRANSITDAVE 02/22/2008 @ 4:10pm
actually i screwed up - "goodsex" should have been "sexcrime" in my message to you....lol...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 02/22/2008 @ 4:16pm
malquoted misprint rectified!!!!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 02/22/2008 @ 4:17pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 02/22/2008 @ 4:17pm
I know she's "on our side"...but everytime I read a LEWWELGE post I think...."bellyfeel".
Posted by Mask at 02/22/2008 @ 4:42pm
Posted by MASK 02/22/2008 @ 4:42pm
but you should see him as lincoln:
"Lew Welge, 50, is a 6-foot-8-inch doctoral student studying mental health counseling who bears a striking resemblance to the late president.
He said he hoped to call attention to Presidents Day through his own theatrical performance of "Honest Abe."
don't mess with lew...............
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/22/2008 @ 4:45pm
The McCain of 2000 is dead! The new reincarnation is an old man whose "straight talk express" is careening off the road and over a cliff. That Renzi is a protege says a lot about McCain's judgment of character (as if he knew nothing of his shady business dealings). McCain has compromised himself( the Iraqi marketplace photo op), contorted himself in seeking favor from the evangelicals he once criticized( Pat Robertson, Falwell before he died), voting against the torture amendment in the Senate( his explanations being unfathomable, considering his previous stance against torture). That McCain is the presumptive Republican nominee is a testament to the dirth of capable people residing in the Republican party. I actually liked the guy in 2000 and if I had the chance, I'd have voted for him. The present incarnation bears no resemblance to the man many embraced in 2000. A sad, but telling irony.
Posted by dlefcourt at 02/22/2008 @ 5:08pm
Looks to me Renzi should have consulted w/Harry Reid on how to do land deals, or even Obama. Well, maybe it's a "location, location, location" problem....Renzi was doing Republican land deals instead of Democratic land deals :~)
Posted by Happy at 02/22/2008 @ 5:10pm
Posted by DLEFCOURT 02/22/2008 @ 5:08pm
here's the "beef".
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/22/2008 @ 5:32pm
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/22/2008 @ 5:07pm
unhinged becoming? why question the duckspeak of of the minitrue? sexcrime with oldwifeclone lobbyest of industry mccain oversaw as chairperson while flying on jet of overseed industry owner? malquoted! unhappened! rectified by straightspeak sec! blackwhite and duckspeak it all for good ols family values bellyfeel. republicans only goodsex for issue - mccain repulicans - mccain sexcrime vaporized by doubleplussgood duckspeak until goodthink all that remains!
shock and awe ownself crimethink until surge liberates enemy!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 02/22/2008 @ 5:33pm
unsurge? not for a hundred years!!!!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 02/22/2008 @ 5:34pm
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/22/2008 @ 5:40pm |
all dems ungood, all pubs good?
Posted by ibbleblibble at 02/22/2008 @ 5:43pm
But that's ok because he is a Democrat.
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/22/2008 @ 5:40pm
harry reid is slime.
just like you, cluster.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/22/2008 @ 5:44pm
die!
kill!
liberty!
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/22/2008 @ 5:45pm
down with intelligence! long live death!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 02/22/2008 @ 5:47pm
but...if harry reid were a pub...no problem! nothing wrong!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 02/22/2008 @ 5:52pm
because you see...republican are the party of values, so they are held to a MUCH lower stansard than dems! when a dem is shady BAD! when a pub is shady - NOT SHADY! LOWER ETHICAL STANDARD! TO BE EXPECTED!
character, values...talk the talk, no need to walk the walk!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 02/22/2008 @ 5:55pm
.if harry reid were a pub...no problem! nothing wrong!
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 02/22/2008 @ 5:52pm
No, the moral of the story is....all would-be shady land dealers with aspirations of running for political offices, need to move to the Dem Party and all current non-Dem pols who are involved in shady land deals, better change party affiliations....after all, the Dems' have the enviable track record of getting away w/it dating back to at least, Whitewater/Clinton and now, ?Chicago/Obama?
Posted by Happy at 02/22/2008 @ 6:07pm
Condi Rice Removes Her Name From VP Consideration!
WASHINGTON - Condoleezza Rice's name on the Republican ticket is a dream to some, but not a reality she can see happening.
The secretary of State told reporters Friday she will not be a vice presidential candidate in the upcoming election.
"I have always said that the one thing that I have not seen myself doing is running for elected office in the United States," she said at a news conference to discuss her recent trip to Africa. "I didn't even run for high school president. It's sort of not in my genes."
Instead, Rice told reporters: "You can all come and visit me in California."
Rice has said she plans to return to Stanford University, where she served as provost and taught as a professor.
She said she is looking forward to making her choice for president as a voter after being involved in President Bush's 2000 campaign and having a strong interest in his 2004 re-election.
"I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing as secretary of State to see if we can use the last few months, as the president has put it, to sprint to the finish because there's a lot of work to do," Rice said.
Posted by Metteyya at 02/22/2008 @ 6:27pm
"Already his liberal opponents have started advertising on television against him and the Washington liberals have recruited a multi-millionaire from Ohio to challenge him in November,"
AAAHHHHH
run away, run away....
be very afraid....
Posted by crabwalk at 02/22/2008 @ 7:08pm
Did your guitar short out and fry your brain? Lately your posts have become more reminiscent of Ted Kaczynski.
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/22/2008 @ 6:14pm
just for you. i'm so utterly disappointed to find out my friend has participated in the production of one of the most barbaric creations dreamed up by "humanity".
More than 100 countries are at the meeting to try to agree on issues to move towards a treaty banning cluster bombs.
A proposal to ban the weapons will be voted on at a meeting in Ireland in May.
Cluster bombs are especially deadly because they contain smaller bomblets that scatter over a wide area and which can lie unexploded for decades, killing and maiming civilians years after a conflict has ended.
The United States, China, India, Pakistan, Russia and Israel have snubbed the Wellington conference.
nice company.
axis of assholes.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/22/2008 @ 7:11pm
I smell political desparation on the left which is a very good sign for Republicans and America in general.
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/22/2008 @ 5:07pm |
Yep, a republican attorney indicts a republican with close ties to a republican
another lefty plot uncovered,
or
another democratic witch hunt begins
Posted by crabwalk at 02/22/2008 @ 7:13pm
JC Watts especially would make a great VP.
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/22/2008 @ 6:39pm
Smoke em if ya got em
fffffftt,, ahhh, the good stuff.
See JC Watts is "mainstream".
Unlike the 62% of Americans that are quite concerned about the environment.
---
another repub indicted, response from the repubs...
Harry Reid!!!
Bill Clinton!!!
9/11!!!!
hmmm, how many repubs does that make this month?
Larry Craig, bitch slapped by the "ethics" committee
Repub congressman indicted for funding terrorism
Repub congressman arrested for soliciting gay sex in public
Republican fund raiser indicted for being a bad man
but...
Harry Reid!!
bill Clinton!!!
9/11!!!
Family Values!!!
Posted by crabwalk at 02/22/2008 @ 7:19pm
Who do the "values voters" go for?
The party of corruption, war and illicit gay sex, of course.
Because to do otherwise would not be mainstream.
Posted by crabwalk at 02/22/2008 @ 7:21pm
1. The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
• in some ways, but people live way better now than they did 300 years ago
They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in "advanced" countries,
• very true
but they have destabilized society,
• well that depends if someone is invading your country or not
have made life unfulfilling,
• i love my life
have subjected human beings to indignities,
• well, that's been around since humans have
have led to widespread psychological suffering
• you mean like american idol?
(in the Third World to physical suffering as well)
• not necessarily
and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world.
• that's true
The continued development of technology will worsen the situation.
• au contraire. it will get better and better. especially if people aren't so greedy.
It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities
• naw.
and inflict greater damage on the natural world,
• i think were almost at the apex of that. however, if the chinese catch up with our stupidity before we can think of better ways.......
it will probably lead to greater social disruption
• greater than the crusades?
and psychological suffering,
• canadian idol?
and it may lead to increased physical suffering even in "advanced" countries.
• i like my computer.
don't worry, liberty. i won't be anywhere near you in hell.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/22/2008 @ 7:27pm
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/22/2008 @ 6:39pm
He'd better stick to Charlie Crist of Florida or Bobby Jindal of Louisiana.
If McCain gets defensive on the race and gender thing, he may make a mistake and pick someone who won't help him much with his base, a critical state, or with independents, whose vote he is going to have to fight for with Obama!
Posted by Metteyya at 02/22/2008 @ 7:27pm
hmmmmmmm?
don't worry, liberty. i won't be anywhere near hell, your future home.
whew. almost condemned myself!
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/22/2008 @ 7:30pm
As oppposed to the party of mass genocide of infants,
• yeah! wait till their old enough to die in the desert.
promoting sexual perversion
• yeah! that should be hidden in airport bathrooms
and the emascualation of the American male,
• i bet that's got you "down"
selling out the constitution to marxist dogma,
• right. america is now marx's wet dream
one world government advocacy including the surrender of our sovereignty,
• your car's gas tank is doing a much better job of that.
and hysterical and hyperbolic support for every leftist fantasy
• like separation of church and state?
that can further their desire to rid our nation of it's standing as a constitutional republic.
• that's right! castro "retired" so he can become obama's VP.
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/22/2008 @ 7:34pm
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/22/2008 @ 7:53pm
Iraq's war widows struggle for financial survival
By TONY PERRY and TINA SUSMAN
Los Angeles Times
. HUSAYBAH, IRAQ -- The rumor swept through this border town early in the morning, and soon several dozen women were clamoring outside a small government office.
The rumor proved false, as it had on many other days. There would be no distribution of pension payments for the Iraqi widows. Often, months pass between payments, with no provisions made for back payments and no explanations given for the gaps.
"I have nothing," one widow cried to a government employee peeping out from a half-open door.
"My children need help," cried another.
SMALL PAYMENTS
Even when the pension payments are made, they are pitifully small. A widow without children is supposed to get about $34 a month; and one with five or more children, about $81 a month.
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/22/2008 @ 8:07pm
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/22/2008 @ 8:04pm
from the book of frosty:
he who has left bomblets lying around for the kiddies will have a lot of explaining to do. Ethics 1:2
he who falsely claims to love liberty while advocating the dismemberment of the innocent really pisses karma off. Niceness 3:56
saying my god is better than your god is really dumb. Common Sense 4:1
calling for nuclear destruction and the resulting decimation of god's creation is really, really nasty. Good Luck 2:17
Posted by frosty zoom at 02/22/2008 @ 8:18pm
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/22/2008 @ 8:04pm
I see you share with Mask and a few others the inability to separate fact from reality.----Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/22/2008 @ 8:07pm
I'm sorry did you just quote a 2000 year old book filled with fantastic tales of dividing seas, pillars of fire, wine into water, and a guy coming back George Romero-style after 3 days in the morgue....
and then accuse ME of an "inability to separate fact from reality"?!?!?!?!
Shall I cry pot calling the kettle black...or just laugh?
Posted by Mask at 02/22/2008 @ 9:03pm
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/22/2008 @ 9:06pm
1. "Night of the LIVING DEAD"...same principle.
2. You accuse me of "not being able to separate fact from reality (what does that MEAN anyway?)...yet demand that I accept "miracles"!?!?? Seems YOU need to prove they DID happen, not me prove a negative.
3. Only the wacky ones with people turning into "pillars of salt", instant leprosy cures, and a pack of sardines and a loaf of Wonder-bread feeding an arena size of folks....oh and dead guys coming back....stuff like that.
Posted by Mask at 02/22/2008 @ 10:10pm
Oh by the way...
"But I have the testimony of witnesses which international gives more credence to than your unbelief."---Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/22/2008 @ 9:06pm
Okay, same question...you accept the testimony of Marxists? They were accepted "international" (1/4 the population of the Earth at one time, nearly 1/5 today) and the credence of those adherents prove the Marxists were telling the truth?
Before you say "But Communism is failing, Christianity is not"...remember that the "fastest growing religion" is ISLAM...and you yourself admit that Christianity is "back-sliding" from Europe all the way over to the good ol' USA (even worse when Democrats run the country next year, huh?).
Posted by Mask at 02/22/2008 @ 10:24pm
CRABWALK: I love you ,man... you are great! "Loveliberty" is a laugh!!! He will be gone when Obama wins the Prez and the Dems win both houses of Congress.
Posted by philbq at 02/22/2008 @ 11:07pm
Posted by MASK 02/22/2008 @ 9:03pm
like a ginsu slicin' through jello!!!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 02/23/2008 @ 01:31am
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/22/2008 @ 7:34pm
Crack, a dangerous drug.
Posted by crabwalk at 02/23/2008 @ 09:51am
one world government advocacy including the surrender of our sovereignty,LUVSDESPOTS1
Isn't it called "globalization" now? This is the idea that goods, commodities and capital should move freely without restriction, that regulation that attempts to even the playing field is bad for bidness. But, people are not included in this globalization frenzy to make us ONE MARKET, no, people have to fill out the gubment paperwork, wait in line at gubment offices, pay fees and wait years to get access to the "free mkt" in the US.
Yet another neo-conundrum.
Posted by crabwalk at 02/23/2008 @ 09:56am
Posted by PHILBQ 02/22/2008 @ 11:07pm |
please, no applause, just throw money. For it is the root of all kinds of evil, and I have a desire to use up my box of root-tone.
Tim. 6: 10 "For the love of money (and all it buys) placed before the love of God (in reality) is the root of all kinds of evil."
Playing on Frostys theme, wouldn't someone who makes cluster bombs and land mines be putting his/her love of money before his love of Gods' children?
Posted by crabwalk at 02/23/2008 @ 10:03am
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/23/2008 @ 11:09am
That was unfair of CRABWALK....you could have helped to made those cluster bombs for the sheer joy of it, and not cared about the money!
Posted by Mask at 02/23/2008 @ 11:38am
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 02/23/2008 @ 12:49pm
I SAID it wasn't "just for the money"....geez, can't a guy even DEFEND you?!??!?!
heheh
Posted by Mask at 02/23/2008 @ 3:03pm
Just imagine if McCain had ever been in David Duke's house and been introduced to his friends.----Posted by MARKCANYON 02/23/2008 @ 1:51pm
Yeah...he would have gotten to meet YOU!
Posted by Mask at 02/23/2008 @ 3:03pm
Well, ... Renzi now qualifies for free-lunches and shopping at WalMart like the rest of the U. S. citizens. And McCain and The Keating 5, make good bed-fellows. !2 kids, can we believe it!
Posted by okharpman at 02/24/2008 @ 4:28pm