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RedditPresident Bush has been caught lying again:
[Hundreds of false statements about Iraq] were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses.
That's the conclusion of a new, nonpartisan study by the Center for Public Integrity and the Fund for Independence in Journalism. Researchers found 935 false statements from the Bush administration over a two-year period.
It's, like, a pattern or something. And next week, Bush is giving his last State of the Union address, a bully pulpit he used for several deceptions fingered in the report. (Including the famous falsehood that Iraq "recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.") Now the Campaign for America's Future is launching a "reality check" campaign to correct falsehoods in the address. They just posted a prebuttal video on YouTube. The idea, apparently, is that we shouldn't have to wait five years to correct lies from the President of the United States.
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ARI,
Bush is not running...expand your horizon, find out why Mexico's oil production is falling through the floor w/prices kinda of on the high side!
Posted by Happy at 01/23/2008 @ 3:44pm
Yeah, hate to agree with HAPPY, but as I noted on another thread...
"Does it matter?"
1. He's not running.
2. All the Repubs are talking "Reagan", not "Bush"...so THEY're trying to distance themselves.
3. Wexler's impeachment move is likely going nowhere.
4. The Dems likely to pick up seats in November, regardless of who wins the White House.
5. NOBODY (at this point) is going to budge. The 30% Bush Support Crowd have basemented out....and the rest of us know he's a liar and/or incompetent.
So....what's the point?
Posted by Mask at 01/23/2008 @ 3:51pm
Hmmm, seems there was a surge of chroniton particles on my sensors before that last post and I Time-Warped ahead of HAPPY!
heheh
Posted by Mask at 01/23/2008 @ 3:52pm
Is kind of amazing that a "Lies / month" graph is something needed to measure the veracity of the POTUS. Of course, if the MSM had been doing their jobs as opposed to putting on frilly skirts and waving pom-poms, maybe something might have been done when it did matter. That being said, I don't think a censure would be out of order as a "swat on the behind" as he's leaving.
It's the least we can do!
Posted by leftofcenter at 01/23/2008 @ 4:02pm
That being said, I don't think a censure would be out of order as a "swat on the behind" as he's leaving. It's the least we can do! Posted by LEFTOFCENTER 01/23/2008 @ 4:02pm
It's certainly the least, for Cheney + W. But can we do it? We elected a Dem Congress, but their leaders, including the 3 leading presidential candidates, all tell us accountability is off the table. Wonder why ...
Posted by sloper at 01/23/2008 @ 4:15pm
Posted by SLOPER 01/23/2008 @ 4:15pm
BTW, I heard they just dropped the contempt charges against Card and Miers.
(not 100% on that, if you want to check)
Posted by Mask at 01/23/2008 @ 4:38pm
sorry professor, :
House Democrats will postpone votes on criminal contempt citations against White House chief of staff Joshua Bolten and former White House counsel Harriet Miers,
Posted by emile duBois at 01/23/2008 @ 4:55pm
Being very interested in the candidates positions on all the issues, I came across a non-profit, non-partisan website that was very helpful to me called ProCon.org. They have a link which takes you to a chart that lists all the candidates and their positions on each issue, pro or con. It is very handy and seems to be updated frequently. They also have links to bios and lots of interesting little-know facts.
Posted by spw725 at 01/23/2008 @ 6:03pm
why not continue to look at the stupidest, most vile regime in the history of our country and point out their lies and ass covering bullshit?
hmmm...median income declining for almost 40 years...a few getting mega-rich while the many get slowly poorer...rampant consumerism encouraged on the part of ever more impoverished schmuk nation by extension of credit rather than increasing share of prosperity...the elites benefitting economically from such elite enabled and encouraged self destructive, materialist irresponsibility....
solution? throw out a few hundred dollars to the $40,000 a year crowd to enable them to continue buying stupid china made plastic crap they dont need and continue to pay them less every year. the under $40,000'ers? who cares? inconsequential...
so after schmuk nation either finall puts aside their meatless bone of a tax rebate, mindlessly spends it on useless crap, or uses it to make a debt payment...what then you mushmouthed idiot, george bush and your enablers?
bashing this evil idiot and his handlers will never go too far.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 01/23/2008 @ 7:07pm
Posted by EMILE DUBOIS 01/23/2008 @ 4:55pm
Well, I'm sure it's just a "postponement".
BTW, I understand the arrival of the Titanic has been "postponed".
Posted by Mask at 01/23/2008 @ 7:10pm
bashing this evil idiot and his handlers will never go too far.----Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 01/23/2008 @ 7:07pm
not "too far"...just useless at this point.
Posted by Mask at 01/23/2008 @ 7:12pm
Why prosecute any crime at all since it's all past tense, already happened, can't go back in time and fix it. Open all the jails-- go be free criminal types. Whatever. It's really neat having a head of straw... reality is much different with a lot of stuffing. BWAahahah
Posted by hsuBfools at 01/23/2008 @ 7:18pm
Posted by MASK 01/23/2008 @ 7:12pm
part of the healing process and part of the "never again" purpose to which i ascribe in terms of that evil mushmouth and his handlers/enablers, unfortunately invlolves pounding on this nail until long long after its firmly lodged in the coffin.
in that indeed these treasonous incompetants will not only not face trial for their crimes, but certainly have escaped impeachment...i think an bush bashing article that elicits a soul purging 5 minute hate and reminds forgive and forgetters just how bad it was is just what the doctor ordered...in my not so humble opinion...
though it probably should have gone on the notion rather than here...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 01/23/2008 @ 7:20pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 01/23/2008 @ 7:18pm | ignore this person
That is for all intents and purposes ... the logic used by, and for example Mask, Happy and others. Perhaps if it were indeed, applied in a more general sense, others like them might grasp the need, if not reason, why it should not be applied in this more specific case.
Else we should follow their logic to its end, crown George the first ... and get the shit over with.
Posted by V at 01/23/2008 @ 8:11pm
Lets see:
"Blah blah blah"
clap clap clap
"Blah blah 9/11"
clap clap clap
"blah blah Iraqi police and army blah blah"
clap clap clap
"blah lie blah blah lie"
clap clap clap
"blah committed blah stay the course blah"
clap clap clap
"preen puff blah blah obfuscate blah blah blah'
clap clap clap
"blah blah blah fiscal responsibility blah"
clap clap clap
clap clap clap
clap clap clap
clap clap clap
"blah blah accountibility blah blah "
clap clap clap
clap clap clap
"no attacks blah blah blah"
clap clap clap
clap clap clap
clap clap clap
"blah democratic Iraq blah blah freedom spreading"
clap clap clap
clap clap clap
"freedom blah blah slogan blah jingo blah blah
clap clap clap
clap clap clap
"blah blah no recession blah
clap clap clap
clap clap clap
clap clap clap
clap clap clap
clap clap clap
Posted by crabwalk at 01/23/2008 @ 8:11pm
If we allow the cheats and liars to go without punishment, they may come back as UN representatives. Or their wives may become the Anointed Ones.
oh wait, thats what happens to the ones that get caught.
Posted by crabwalk at 01/23/2008 @ 8:14pm
Posted by CRABWALK 01/23/2008 @ 8:11pm |
you should be a speech writer...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 01/23/2008 @ 8:23pm
MASK: ....hate to agree with HAPPY....
???? Odd, outside of how to go about leaving Iraq, sure seems we "agree" on more than that we disagree, no?
Posted by Happy at 01/23/2008 @ 8:27pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 01/23/2008 @ 7:20pm
Okay, if it's cathartic....go for it.
Posted by Mask at 01/23/2008 @ 8:28pm
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 01/23/2008 @ 8:25pm
So, you going to quite your incessant whining and crying about how evil LEFTISTS are????
Posted by Mask at 01/23/2008 @ 8:30pm
Posted by HAPPY 01/23/2008 @ 8:27pm
Not really.
1. Iraq
2. Spending on Iraq on the national credit card
3. Deficits in general (I'm a fiscal conservative...you're a liberal)
4. Abortion
Others?...Drug War? Gay Rights? Global Warming?
Posted by Mask at 01/23/2008 @ 8:31pm
Posted by MASK 01/23/2008 @ 8:28pm
indeed its kinda akin to frankgrits' ranting at el rushbo's radio rants...nice little 5 minute hate...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 01/23/2008 @ 8:51pm
Posted by CRABWALK 01/23/2008 @ 8:11pm
hey, you're getting good.............
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/23/2008 @ 9:05pm
Posted by CRABWALK 01/23/2008 @ 8:14pm
today, someone here proposed having bill clinton as U.N. secretary general.
LOL.
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/23/2008 @ 9:07pm
Others?...Drug War? Gay Rights? Global Warming?
Posted by MASK 01/23/2008 @ 8:31pm
3 of the 4 are directly related to Iraq! I don't believe in fighting wars w/quit timetables or with spending caps...but, laugh if you will, I am a fiscal Con.
Drug war is a waste of time and as more of a Libertarian than you, we are in agreement. Gay Right? I voted in TX to allow Civil Union.....most of state disagreed. Global Warming, yeah, my Libertarian side just can't go along w/restrictions on my lifestyle or free choices.
So, as I said before, outside of Iraq or related....
Posted by Happy at 01/23/2008 @ 9:11pm
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 01/23/2008 @ 8:25pm
the world economy is gurgling down the toilet because right-wing ideology of deregulation since about 1975 (yes, that includes carter and clinton) has lead to huge economic disparities, loss of jobs, and environmental degradation.
the last time "free" markets were allowed to run this wild was in the 1920s...........
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/23/2008 @ 9:11pm
Certainly most Americans aren't open to it.
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 01/23/2008 @ 8:25pm
well, american idol is important, you know............
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/23/2008 @ 9:12pm
Global Warming, yeah, my Libertarian side just can't go along w/restrictions on my lifestyle or free choices.
Posted by HAPPY 01/23/2008 @ 9:11pm
how about your "brain" side?
what does that tell you?
just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD.
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/23/2008 @ 9:14pm
Posted by HAPPY 01/23/2008 @ 9:11pm
You don't have to use timetables for a war...how about just PAYING for it? We atleast TRIED in World War-II (The war neo-cons like to use as an analogy). Taxes? War Bonds?
But now, you're willing to rack up TRILLIONS in debt and cheer on McCain when he says "We will stay 100 years if that's what it takes".
Posted by Mask at 01/23/2008 @ 9:33pm
oh well,
this goes HERE:
World's First Air-Powered Car: Zero Emissions by Next Summer
This six-seater tax, which should be available in India next year, is powered entirely by a tank filled with compressed air.
By Matt Sullivan
Published in the June 2007 issue.
India's largest automaker is set to start producing the world's first commercial air-powered vehicle. The Air Car, developed by ex-Formula One engineer Guy Nègre for Luxembourg-based MDI, uses compressed air, as opposed to the gas-and-oxygen explosions of internal-combustion models, to push its engine's pistons. Some 6000 zero-emissions Air Cars are scheduled to hit Indian streets in August of 2008.
Barring any last-minute design changes on the way to production, the Air Car should be surprisingly practical. The $12,700 CityCAT, one of a handful of planned Air Car models, can hit 68 mph and has a range of 125 miles. It will take only a few minutes for the CityCAT to refuel at gas stations equipped with custom air compressor units; MDI says it should cost around $2 to fill the car's carbon-fiber tanks with 340 liters of air at 4350 psi. Drivers also will be able to plug into the electrical grid and use the car's built-in compressor to refill the tanks in about 4 hours.
Of course, the Air Car will likely never hit American shores, especially considering its all-glue construction. But that doesn't mean the major automakers can write it off as a bizarre Indian experiment -- MDI has signed deals to bring its design to 12 more countries, including Germany, Israel and South Africa.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4217016.html?series= 19
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/23/2008 @ 9:45pm
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 01/23/2008 @ 9:45pm
but we uhmuuhrukuns need gigantic tank like behemoths capable of transporting an entire hockey team and roring like a rolling godzilla fart at 140 mph to run down to the cheapo-mart for a bottle of milk. and most of the time occupied by one single flabby assed schlobbo glutton...
thats the uhmuruhkun way!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 01/23/2008 @ 9:54pm
how about your "brain" side?
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 01/23/2008 @ 9:14pm
As a Scouter and early Nat'l Wildlife Federation member, I take care of our environment. My civil engineering degree focused on water resources/hydrology/water treatment. And, I'm an efficiency freak....commit no waste! I'm the one going around the house turning off lights, TVs, monitors, printers....drives my (careless) wife crazy :~)
Best of all, I am pro-nuclear energy.....seriously, how much more green can one get? Radioactive/psychedelic green :-)
Posted by Happy at 01/23/2008 @ 10:09pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 01/23/2008 @ 10:12pm
Here's a prediction...Hillary becomes President, Rush gets a boost in the ratings and a salary increase like he hasn't seen in 8 years....
and you STILL haven't figured out what REALLY makes the man tick.
Posted by Mask at 01/23/2008 @ 10:14pm
you're willing to rack up TRILLIONS in debt and cheer on McCain when he says "We will stay 100 years if that's what it takes".
Posted by MASK 01/23/2008 @ 9:33pm
IF he enunciates his reasoning to America's satisfaction, AND IF the Iraqis desire and help out w/the expenses, why not? Iraq's got oil and neither Germany nor Japan do and we got troops both places going on 65 yrs now.
Posted by Happy at 01/23/2008 @ 10:15pm
thats the uhmuruhkun way!
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 01/23/2008 @ 9:54pm
kuhnayjin, too!
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/23/2008 @ 10:37pm
Posted by HAPPY 01/23/2008 @ 10:09pm
go get your electricity bill and tell me your per person usage in kilowatt hours.
but yes, thanks for turning off the lights.
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/23/2008 @ 10:39pm
Posted by HAPPY 01/23/2008 @ 10:15pm
oil, huh?
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/23/2008 @ 10:39pm
your per person usage in kilowatt hours.
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 01/23/2008 @ 10:39pm
OK, last month, around 290 kwh per person...and we have (just maybe) a bigger house than you! And you?
There is no sense in beating around the `bush' on oil in Iraq! If Saddam didn't have oil, he wouldn't have been an ass and launched two wars on neighbors....and had Europe in his pocket. In that sense, the war is about oil...sort of like Pink Floyd's $$ song....root of all evil.....but NOT in the profiteering sense the Loony Left portrays it!
Posted by Happy at 01/23/2008 @ 10:57pm
Posted by HAPPY 01/23/2008 @ 10:57pm
hey that's pretty good! now, go talk to your neighbours.
we're between 100-300 per person, depending on the month. (we've got an apartment. electric heat. yikes!).
i imagine that from may to october yours goes up a bunch with the a.c. on. (being a lot farther south and all).
funny thing, when i lived in mexico, i lived many places and never needed a.c.
a couple places heat would have been nice, though. ever sleep with gloves on?
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/23/2008 @ 11:27pm
against nuclear plants that do work!
Posted by RIO BRAVO 01/23/2008 @ 11:43pm
yep. they're gonna put one right next door to your place.
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/23/2008 @ 11:46pm
So....what's the point?
Posted by MASK 01/23/2008 @ 3:51pm
Accountablity, that's the point. The guy and many in his administration have perjured themselves in front of congress, duped us into a war that is costing billions of dollars, and you think they should just waltz out of office unscathed?
Bushco needs to be held responsible for what they've done to this nation. It's not a waste of money prosecuting them. They've squandered billions of dollars away. Not prosecuting them is a waste of money for this sets up another administration to pull the same offenses in office.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 01/24/2008 @ 07:49am
Posted by RIO BRAVO 01/23/2008 @ 11:43pm
Typical spewing from RIOKORESH.
Can you name a single person here that does not believe that a person has a right to make a reasonable profit?
Do you know the amount that has been taken from taxpayer pockets and "magically" given to the nookyular industry? How about the neighborhood of $60-70,000,000,000 so far.
Can we place our nookyular waste repository in your trailer? Or would you rather the tax payer '"magically" pay to build one in a geologically unstable area, rather than the industry pay to put away their waste?
Do you know that every time you send in your insurance premium it pays for some of the un and underinsured? Do you, as a "real Christian", find it acceptable that an insurance exec makes enough in one year to pay for healthcare for 34,000 children?
I have to remind myself that you think it is OK for a cult leader to have sex with 12 year old girls and shoot at federal agents serving warrants.
And LUVSDESPOTS calls us "the fringe".
Posted by crabwalk at 01/24/2008 @ 08:52am
Posted by WOLFGANG1 01/24/2008 @ 07:49am
Fine, WOLF....but who's going to hold them accountable?
Pelosi put impeachment "off the table"....John Conyers told Cindy Sheehan that "elections (i.e. 2008) are our only recourse"....Robert Wexler is using his impeachment petition website for FUNDRAISING...
and (as noted by EMILE BRANNIGAN2), they even postponed contempt charges against "small potatoes" Miers and Card.
Posted by Mask at 01/24/2008 @ 08:55am
Perhaps the truth lies in the fact that you are the fringe of society and overwhelmingly Americans do not choose your beliefs and myriad imaginary crimes.
You should be thankful that sites like the Nation give you a venue to spew this stuff. Certainly most Americans aren't open to it.
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 01/23/2008 @ 8:25pm
Really?
More than six in 10 in a poll by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press said they oppose the Supreme Court completely overturning the high court's decision 30 years ago allowing legal abortions. That number has been essentially unchanged for more than a decade.
the American Research Group asked 1,100 Americans:
Do you favor or oppose the United States Senate passing a resolution censuring President George W. Bush for authorizing wiretaps of Americans within the United States without obtaining court orders?
The results show most Americans favour censoring Bush:
46% in Favour
44% Oppose
10% Undecided
"If President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should consider holding him accountable by impeaching him."
The poll found that 50% agreed with the statement
44% disagreed, and 6% said they didn't know or declined to answer. The poll has a +/- 3.1% margin of error.
In August and September of 1998, 16 major polls asked about impeaching President Clinton (http://democrats.com/clinton-impeachment-polls). Only 36% supported hearings to consider impeachment, and only 26% supported actual impeachment and removal. Even so, the impeachment debate dominated the news for months, and the Republican Congress impeached Clinton despite overwhelming public opposition.
--
Bush has a 24% approval rating.
Congress, which has NOT censored, opened impeachment hearings, called for troop reduction. passed coherent energy legislation, called for open hearings on multiple admin violations of law, controlled spending, all of which are blocked by repubs and conservative dems...
has an approval rating in the teens.
Most Americans support access to birth control.
--
14-June-2005
A new poll indicates that 60 percent of Americans think the United States should withdraw some or all of its troops from Iraq.
The Gallup poll of about one thousand adults, conducted earlier this month, shows that public support for the troop withdrawal is at its highest level in two years. Only 36 percent of those surveyed think troop levels should be maintained or increased.
According to the survey 56 percent of Americans would be upset if more troops were sent to Iraq. The same number, 56 percent, said they do not believe the war in Iraq was worth fighting.
So, LUVSDESPOTS, I think you need to revisit your thoughts on who is the fringe
Posted by crabwalk at 01/24/2008 @ 09:10am
What happened to the conservative's blathering on and on about the "rule of law" when it came to perjury (a lie about a blow job while under oath), but when an entire administration has committed more illegal and unconstitutional acts than Nixon could have dreamed of in his greatest fantasies, the conservatives turn into the biggest bunch of spinners and masters of illusion you have ever seen.
"Bush didn't lie, he was given bad intelligence."
"It isn't torture if it catches terrorists."
"It isn't unconstitutional to wiretap American phones without warrants if we might catch a terrorist."
"He said he would fire anybody who leaked a CIA operative's name...He said he would fire anybody who is convicted of leaking...what leak?"
"Every president fires US attorneys - who cares that nobody else ever did it in the middle of a term?"
Posted by Turk33 at 01/24/2008 @ 09:13am
"imaginary crimes"
Chimpy admitted he broke the law with warrant-less wiretaps.
Foreign nationals have been kidnapped and rendered to countries that are known to torture.
ChimpCO made 965 false statements about Iraqs WMD's and links to AL Qaida. I thought lying was a sin in your paradigm?
Billions of dollars has gone missing in Iraq.
Scooter Libby lied and obstructed justice in ChimpCOs outing of a covert CIA agent.
I have lost count of the number of CONVICTED ChimpCO employees.
REV, please remove your head from wherever it has become lodged.
Posted by crabwalk at 01/24/2008 @ 09:18am
What happened to the conservative's blathering on and on about the "rule of law" when it came to perjury
Pants shitting fear and a short run on power monopolization.
It's OK if their "side" does it.
Posted by crabwalk at 01/24/2008 @ 09:20am
MASK
It matters because McCain, for one, would continue with the Bush policies in Iraq. It matters because there are neo-cons like Roger Cohen who still claim that getting rid of Hussein was worth all that has still transpired. It matters because there are those who will keep repeating, like Petraeus, give it another six months.
Emphasizing the lies that got us into Iraq underlines a fundamental flaw of the endeavor and its continuation.
Posted by brunowe at 01/24/2008 @ 10:02am
You know this lying mantra has been an excellent tool used by the left to drive the Presidents approval rating down. Of course it has meant a change in the definition of a lie--it no longer means to knowingly state a falsehood---it now means to say anything that turns out to be incorrect. Well I know that Republicans are sometimes slow learners but with the Democrat candidate being favored in the general election I think that we can now use this new definition provided for us by the left and begin to count the "lies". Already Hillary leads in this category and what turns out to be truly amazing is that she leads in this category using both the old and new defintion of the word "lie". What is good for the goose is good for the gander --let the count begin. I was going to say "tit for tat" but I am sure Hamilton grad would come on here and be offended.
Posted by Len Mosse at 01/24/2008 @ 10:31am
Posted by BRUNOWE 01/24/2008 @ 10:02am
That might be true...if any of the leading DEMOCRATS were pushing for immediate withdrawal.
Right now, both sides are NOT arguing "how we got there" and only nuanced arguments on "how we get out".
If Hillary and Obama came out, agreed with the study, and said "Bush lied us into Iraq"...but still said "We're probably going to have troops there until 2013"...
does it matter about the first part???
Posted by Mask at 01/24/2008 @ 10:42am
You know this lying mantra has been an excellent tool used by the left to drive the Presidents approval rating down.----Posted by LEN MOSSE 01/24/2008 @ 10:31am
I'm sorry, you think "the left using the lying mantra"...
has been what drove Bush's approval rating down?!?!?!?
Not the fact the war's been dragging on for 5 years, 3900 GIs have died, HUNDREDS of BILLIONS (approaching a TRILLION) and Iraq's still a mess (Sorry even Petraeus "needs more time"); Hurricane Katrina, Plame-gate, Schiavo, Abramoff, etc., etc.?
Posted by Mask at 01/24/2008 @ 10:44am
You know this lying mantra has been an excellent tool used by the left to drive the Presidents approval rating down. Of course it has meant a change in the definition of a lie--it no longer means to knowingly state a falsehood---
Which is what they did. You telling me that no one told Rice that the aluminum tubes could be used for something other than centrifuges?
Posted by brunowe at 01/24/2008 @ 10:53am
You know this lying mantra has been an excellent tool used by the left to drive the Presidents approval rating down.
Posted by LEN MOSSE 01/24/2008 @ 10:31am
1.00 CAD = 0.989998 USD 2008.01.24 15:54:36 UTC
on 20 January 2001:
1 CAD (Canada)=0.6627 USD (United States) 1 CAD=0.662672 USD
hmmmmmm, lies?
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/24/2008 @ 11:02am
Posted by CRABWALK 01/24/2008 @ 09:10am | ignore this person
and that's just the Americans. has anyone asked the Iraqis lately? it is they who have paid the greatest price.
Posted by emile duBois at 01/24/2008 @ 11:02am
and that's just the Americans. has anyone asked the Iraqis lately? it is they who have paid the greatest price.
Posted by EMILE DUBOIS 01/24/2008 @ 11:02am
mornin' BLANCHE
check out the iraqi video i posted here:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/allcomments?pid=274247#pid274678
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/24/2008 @ 11:13am
Emphasizing the lies that got us into Iraq underlines a fundamental flaw of the endeavor and its continuation.
Posted by BRUNOWE 01/24/2008 @ 10:02am | ignore this person
correct and pithy.
Posted by emile duBois at 01/24/2008 @ 11:14am
And where is this story? The White House has destroyed millions of emails that they legally are supposed to archive. And, shockingly, the days that are missing seem to coincide with some events involving the Plame affair. This makes Nixon's 18 1/2 minutes of missing tape seem like less than nothing, and yet I hardly see or hear any discussion about this in the mainstream media.
WTF?!!!!
Are you kidding me? Millions of emails that are potentially damaging evidence, or that at least are historical documents that are legally supposed to be archived, gone? The scope and magnitude of this is astounding, and that there is little to no mention of it other than a couple of blurbs here and there is sickening.
And I will be proactive and present the conservative spin in advance:
"Clinton/Gore did it, too." Not to this scale or level of pervasiveness.
"It was a simple mistake. Stop with the conspiracy insanity." One email is a mistake - millions is a conspiracy of monstrous proportions.
"Most real people who aren't liberal whacko's dont care." People's ignorance of this incredible fiasco doesn't mean that people condone it.
Posted by Turk33 at 01/24/2008 @ 11:14am
hurrah, we have driven down Bush's ratings. you and me and all the liberals, we did it. the most successful pres ever, but we drove down his ratings. yeah
Posted by emile duBois at 01/24/2008 @ 11:34am
You know this lying mantra has been an excellent tool used by the left to drive the Presidents approval rating down.
Posted by LEN MOSSE 01/24/2008 @ 10:31am
All right there, funny man. Quit joking around. It's the Democrats' fault that the commando in chief's numbers tanked?
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Posted by Turk33 at 01/24/2008 @ 11:47am
Posted by TURK33 01/24/2008 @ 11:47am
commando in chief!
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/24/2008 @ 11:55am
It DOES matter because he IS currently the President of the United States whether he is running or not. The candidates don't have the ability to attack Iran.
Posted by watters23 at 01/24/2008 @ 11:59am
Continuing the discussion on nuklar energy, from the NYT [bold mine], while I head out and burn some fossil fuel.....
America Needs France's Atomic Anne
By ROGER COHEN
Published: January 24, 2008
It's not often that I find myself recommending a French state-owned industry as the answer to major U.S. problems, but I guess there's an exception to every rule.
In this case the exception is the French nuclear energy company Areva, which provides about 80 percent of the country's electricity from 58 nuclear power plants, is building a new generation of reactor that will come on line at Flamanville in 2012, and is exporting its expertise to countries from China to the United Arab Emirates.
Contrast that with the United States, where just 20 percent of electricity comes from nuclear plants, no commercial reactor has come on line since 1996, no new reactor has been ordered for decades, and debate about nuclear power remains paralyzing despite its clean-air electricity generation in the age of global warming.
Areva is headed by Anne......
....Among Democrats, Barack Obama has shown most willingness (albeit guarded) to back nuclear power,......
It's time to look to the French. They've got their heads in the right place, with nuclear power enjoying a 70 percent approval rating. The Germans, by contrast, have gone silly-Green and are shunning nuclear power. The British, more smart-Green, are reviving their plants.
.....we have to get over our fears, especially irrational ones.
Nuclear power has proved safe in both France and America -- not one radiation-related death has occurred in the history of U.S. commercial nuclear power. It constitutes a vital alternative to the greenhouse-gas spewing coal-power plants that account for over 50 percent of U.S. electricity generation. Thousands of people die annually breathing the noxious particles of coal-fire installations.
..."Nuclear power is the most efficient energy source we have," said Gwyneth Cravens, author of "Power to Save the World: The Truth About Nuclear Power." "Uranium is energy-dense. If you got all your electricity from nuclear for your lifetime, your share of the waste would fit in a soda can."
Cravens once feared this waste so much that she demonstrated against nuclear power plants, but she's come around. Like Patrick Moore, a founder of Greenpeace who once lambasted nuclear power as "criminal" and now advocates its use, she's been convinced by the evidence. That's called growing up.....
Posted by Happy at 01/24/2008 @ 12:23pm
Posted by HAPPY 01/24/2008 @ 12:23pm
sure looks good on paper,
one big accident, however, and..............................
france, despite recycling fuel, still has a waste problem.......
Posted by frosty zoom at 01/24/2008 @ 12:29pm
The study counted 935 false statements in the two-year period. It found that in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues, Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to al-Qaida or both.
"It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida," according to Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism staff members, writing an overview of the study. "In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003."
Named in the study along with Bush were top officials of the administration during the period studied: Vice President Dick Cheney, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan.
Bush led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq's links to al-Qaida, the study found. That was second only to Powell's 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq and al-Qaida.
Bush is a liar. That FACT is unalterable.
Bush is a liar.
Posted by Dr Decibels at 01/24/2008 @ 12:31pm
Fine, WOLF....but who's going to hold them accountable?
Mask,
Good point. I know that you are saying that nobody will hold them accountable. What I am saying is that somebody should....perhaps the next president and congress for example. Like I said before, I am not aware of any statute of limitations on crimes committed just because the crime was committed by the president, vice president and their senior staff members.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 01/24/2008 @ 12:45pm
To all Neo-Cons....Thank your president for this as you won't have a dying chance in all upcoming elections for years to come...
Posted by djmarch at 01/24/2008 @ 12:46pm
Bush is a liar. That FACT is unalterable.
Bush is a liar.
Posted by DR DECIBELS 01/24/2008 @ 12:31pm
May I respond for Rio, Liverlips, and USC1?
OK, here goes...ya, but,but, but, but Bill Clinton lied about a blowjob and we don't like Hillary either because she's Bill's wife not to mention that she's a woman and has the "balls" to try to run for a man's job. All of the left wingnut people are liars. FDR was the worst, ya, if FDR had never started the new deal, those damn liberals would never have had any money to start with and we wouldn't be in the shape we're in today. If it hadn't been for Ronald Reagan, we would have lost WWII, the Korean conflict, Vietnam, Iraq War I and Iraq War II. Long live the conservative agenda and peace be with you if you are wealthy.
Posted by Wolfgang1 at 01/24/2008 @ 12:53pm
Posted by WOLFGANG1 01/24/2008 @ 12:45pm
Gradually becoming a highly unlikely prospect (from a start of "a dim prospect"). Two scenarios-
1. The Repub wins in 2008. Congress will be too busy worrying about HIM to "go back" and try to nail Bush or Cheney. Plus, aside from "embarassing" them in a hearing or two, all they have is impeachment and post-Presidency impeachments aren't Constitutional.
2. Hillary wins. And (A) she'll be too busy trying to get Congress to work on her agenda to want them to spend time on it. And (B) Bill dropped all the DOJ investigations of Bush-41 when he took office....Her Nibs likely to do the same with Bush-43.
Sorry, wish it was different (despite what HSUBFOOLISH thinks)...but sometimes there IS no justice in the Cosmos. Unless Jenna and Mary become Democrats or publish "Mommy Dearest" tell-alls!
Posted by Mask at 01/24/2008 @ 12:55pm
Posted by RIO BRAVO 01/24/2008 @ 12:53pm |
Well, RIO, way it's looking you'll enjoy 4-8 years of bitchin', moanin', and "Satan's favorite daughter".
And you can write a big fat thank you note to Dubya and Dick for it!
Posted by Mask at 01/24/2008 @ 12:56pm
To all Neo-Cons....Thank your president for this as you won't have a dying chance in all upcoming elections for years to come...
Posted by DJMARCH 01/24/2008 @ 12:46pm
Common sense would say that you're right...but the Democrats have a history of snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory (Kerry), and even when the Democratic candidate gets more votes, the Republican judiciary is alwasy there to "fix" things (Gore).
Posted by Turk33 at 01/24/2008 @ 1:00pm
MASK, one more:
3. Obama wins. In the spirit of bipartisanship and unity, does nothing about the outgoing administration. "We are not looking at the past, we are charting our way forward to the future. Hand in hand Democrats and Republicans will forge a new America. Delving into these past issues will only serve to widen the divide between our two parties."
Posted by FritztheCat at 01/24/2008 @ 1:08pm
Posted by FRITZTHECAT 01/24/2008 @ 1:08pm
Yes, of course. Sorry for the oversight.
Posted by Mask at 01/24/2008 @ 1:19pm
Posted by RIO BRAVO 01/24/2008 @ 12:53pm
Holy crap, where to begin?
1. This thread is about the lies of the Bush administration - how does this tidbit fit in with that?
2. This thread is about the Bush administration - who said anything about the Clintons (besides the conservative using the number one play in their playbook - when you have no answer, bring up/blame the Clintons)?
3. I doubt anybody here would argue that all politicians at some point pander to individuals/corporations in order to get campaign contributions/endorsements.
4. The Republicans take the prize for illegal, slimy, shady, inappropriate actions over the last 30 years. Hands down. Don't even try to argue this. Both parties have had "issues" - the Republicans's issues are so immense that they aren't issues, they're volumes.
Posted by Turk33 at 01/24/2008 @ 1:34pm
Posted by HAPPY 01/24/2008 @ 12:23pm
Funny how the cons will go along with socialized energy as doen by the socialist countries of europe.
why is that?
Posted by RIO BRAVO 01/24/2008 @ 12:53pm |
Hillary is a democrat in name only. If you took the time to view her record, removing issues of gay marriage, I think you would find she agrees with you quite a bit, RIOKORESH. However, she probably disagrees with you that child rapers should be allowed to gun down federal agents.
Posted by crabwalk at 01/24/2008 @ 3:13pm
You know this lying mantra has been an excellent tool used by the left to drive the Presidents approval rating down. Of course it has meant a change in the definition of a lie--it no longer means to knowingly state a falsehood---it now means to say anything that turns out to be incorrect. Well I know that Republicans are sometimes slow learners but with the Democrat candidate being favored in the general election I think that we can now use this new definition provided for us by the left and begin to count the "lies". Already Hillary leads in this category and what turns out to be truly amazing is that she leads in this category using both the old and new defintion of the word "lie". What is good for the goose is good for the gander --let the count begin. I was going to say "tit for tat" but I am sure Hamilton grad would come on here and be offended.
Posted by LEN MOSSE 01/24/2008 @ 10:31am
Then shouldn't we punish the current liars to send a clear message to the next president and his or her administration?
Posted by jaded at 01/24/2008 @ 6:42pm
one big accident, however, and..............................
france, despite recycling fuel, still has a waste problem.......
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 01/24/2008 @ 12:29pm
Your retort, "big accident", reminds me of two very distinctive days.....when Challenger blew up on launch in FL and Columbia blew up on reentry over Texas. I've been to Cape Kennedy and the Manned Space Center here in Houston multiple times, and, the thought of quitting the space program because of these "big accidents" never ocurred to me. Granted, the number of lives lost weren't large, but the sadness I felt affects me even now as I write this.....
Let me just say you and I have very, very different perspectives on risks and rewards; yet, curiously, you are also worried about nuclear wastes that stays `hot' for thousands of years buried a mile underground.
Today's WSJ had another article dealing with China's chronic energy shortage....even adding one coal-fired plant a week, they can't keep up with the demand for energy......the ever bulging middle class is just now acquiring A/Cs and dandy appliances like washers & dryers....heck, for the first time ever, China is importing coal into its southern Econ Hot Zones--it's faster than transporting domestic coal from far north over stressed-out rails.
Here we are, the country with the knowhow, the patents, broad geography to locate nuke plants far from populations, etc....and we stopped cause little ole Three Mile Island....what a joke the EnviroNuts have made us into! Yet, the same nuts decry our dependency on foreign energy!
Posted by Happy at 01/24/2008 @ 10:53pm
Then shouldn't we punish the current liars to send a clear message to the next president and his or her administration?
Posted by JADED 01/24/2008 @ 6:42pm | ignore this person
yes we should. let's start by sending the repubs home.
you wait and see what happens to Bush and his reputation after the repubs get hammered in the election.
Posted by emile duBois at 01/25/2008 @ 10:04am