HuckaBestiality

Okay, Mike Huckabee is working the populist edge, talking to people who want a better shake in this country, people who actually do think Mitt Romney looks like the guy who just laid them off...but Huckabee's populism is awful thin gruel. If a flat tax--taxing consumption at same levels as income is your answer--you're on the wrong side of working people...who will be hit hard and hurt by such a whacko idea.

But talking wrong and whacko--check out Huckabee on equating homosexuality with bestiality.

As blogger John Aravosis puts it over at americablog.com, "This guy thinks it's fair game to talk about Romney's Mormonism?"

As we head into the good state of South Carolina, isn't it time to take a real close look at the Huckster's fringe views on Christianity?

Comments (42)

1. Well, it's not an anti-Hillary post...so FRANKGRITS won't get in a tizzy...

   but it's an "anti-Huckabee, pro-homosexuality, anti-Christian, pro-bestiality" article (or is that redundant to those idiots) and we'll see RIO BRAVO and LVLIBERTY get in one or two!

   Posted by Mask at 01/17/2008 @ 9:47pm

2. This kinda stuff is why I personally like Mike.

   He's such a lovable buffoon isn't he?

   Believe me, if the Dems were so lucky as to have Huck as their opponent, it'd be a cakewalk all the way to the White House --regardless of whom the Dems nominate.

   And if it actually turned out that I was wrong? Well, I guess that would make the case a genuine slam dunk that America really didn't deserve a democracy after all.

   Support the Huckster!

   Hope has never had a better friend.

   Posted by b_kool_66 at 01/17/2008 @ 10:00pm

3. By the way,

   Huckabeastiality would make a great cover story headline --even better than "Attack of the Homocons"-- for the next issue of The Nation if the Huckster were to pull off the win in South Carolina.

   I can see the issues flying off the bookstore shelves already!

   Posted by b_kool_66 at 01/17/2008 @ 10:09pm

4. "...check out Huckabee on equating homosexuality with bestiality

   Posted by Katrina vanden Heuvel at 01/17/2008 @ 9:44pm

   KVH, Mike Huckabee said no such thing in that article. And there's nothing "wacko" about a flat tax.

   Posted by ACook at 01/17/2008 @ 10:38pm

5. Re: HUCKABESTIALITY

   I always suspect that in the last two years The Nations has veered to vulgarity of the likes of, say, Washington Times or Fox News or Drudge Report, and thereby becomes harmful to the causes it claims to be a part of. But HUCKABESTIALITY? That's over the board.

   Posted by HelenDAO at 01/17/2008 @ 10:56pm

6. Posted by Helen Dao @ 10:56pm

   Coming from the paragon of good taste, that criticism holds much gravitas, Ms Dao.

   I'm sure Maskot has a fridge full of some of your finest slurs here.

   Posted by b_kool_66 at 01/17/2008 @ 10:59pm

7. Posted by JOMAMMA 01/17/2008 @ 11:20pm

   A consumption tax ought to fit Liberals and Eco-nuts like custom, injection-molded ski boots. But, it's too difficult and time-consuming to explain the devilish details: prebates, exemptions for food and many basics....and yes, for the masses, probably too radical of a change and most folks just can't handle it.....even in a "change" Election!

   I do know personally, if I'm faced with a 30% tax on all kinds of optional consumptions, say another what-used-to-be-routine ski trips, or a 4th or 5th TV, or big `stuff' like a $50k car, I will probably cancel or downscale one or two of these `stuff' FZ is always harping about!

   Posted by Happy at 01/17/2008 @ 11:37pm

8. Re: HUCKABESTIALITY

   yeah, that's kind of icky. sure catches the eye. great for a google search. if i turn on the javascript, will i see an ad for jimmy dean [jimmydean.com]*?

   sure, pastor mike's kinda mixed up about the plurality of human life on this planet.

   but isn't there a less sensationalist form of addressing the issue?

   thanks,

   fz

   Posted by frosty zoom at 01/17/2008 @ 11:55pm

9. from the original interview:

   Q: Have there been any particular moments during the campaign when on some level you really felt God's presence?

   A: On Feeling God's Presence During the Debates Oh, absolutely. Especially some times in the debates when I get asked some question and I'm thinking, "Oh my." I think it was just before the YouTube debates, I got a really gracious email from Rick Warren, who was a seminary classmate of mine, and he just quoted me Luke, Chapter 12, that when you stand before the assembly, give no thought to what you shall say for the holy spirit will give you the words in that hour. And I just really meditated upon that, and that was, I think, a real breakthrough night for me. I felt like the Lord truly gave me wisdom and responses that were truly needed at that time.

   that! is far more worrisome than any clumsy attempt by pastor mike to maintain the christian definition of marriage as the status quo.

   http://www.beliefnet.com/story/228/story_22873_1.html

   Posted by frosty zoom at 01/17/2008 @ 11:59pm

10. Q: One of the comments you've made that's getting a lot of discussion in the press is the point you made in the last day or so that we might need to amend the Constitution to have it apply more to God's standards. Do you want to elaborate on that? In particular the question of people who might hear that and think, "Well, that's a conversation stopper," people who might agree with you on policy but feel that the constitution is secular document and should be driven by secular concerns rather than aligning it with God's word.

    A: I probably said it awkwardly, but the point I was trying to make– and I've said it better in the past – is that people sometimes say we shouldn't have a human life amendment or a marriage amendment because the Constitution is far too sacred to change, and my point is, the Constitution was created as a document that could be changed. That's the genius of it. The Bible, however, was not created to be amended and altered with each passing culture. If we have a definition of marriage, that we don't change that definition, that we affirm that definition. And that the sanctity of human life is not just a religious issue. It's an issue that goes to the very heart of our civilization of all people being equal, endowed by their creator with alienable rights of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That was the point. The Bible was not written to be amended. The Constitution was. Without amendments to the Constitution, women couldn't vote, African-Americans wouldn't be considered people. We have had to historically go back and to clarify, because there've been injustices made because the Constitution wasn't as clear as it needed to be, and that's the point.

    whoa, dude. THAT'S the real mike.

    Posted by frosty zoom at 01/18/2008 @ 12:07am

11. HAPPY,

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    Posted by frosty zoom at 01/18/2008 @ 12:08am

12. check out the powerhouse countries that use a flat tax:

    Countries that have flat tax systems

    These are countries, as well as minor jurisdictions with the autonomous power to tax, that have adopted tax systems that are commonly described in the media and the professional economics literature as a flat tax.

    Bulgaria [19] Albania [20] [21] Estonia [22][23][24] Georgia [25][24] Guernsey [26] Kazakhstan [27] Iceland [28] [26] [29] Iceland's system differs from the Hall-Rabushka flat tax by taxing investment income and allowing numerous exceptions.[30] Iraq [31] [32] [33] It is not clear how effectively the Iraqi tax is being collected in practice. Kyrgyzstan [26] Latvia [24] Lithuania [34][24] Republic of Macedonia [35] [26] Mongolia [36] Montenegro [37] Mauritius [26] Romania [24] Russia [38][24] Serbia [39] Slovakia [24] Ukraine [40][24]

    from qwiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_tax

    Posted by frosty zoom at 01/18/2008 @ 12:12am

13. Posted by ACOOK 01/17/2008 @ 10:38pm

    Other than the fact it wouldn't work and is put forth by people that know about as much about economics as Bush does, which is to say - close to nil.

    Posted by HAPPY 01/17/2008 @ 11:37pm

    Happy, do you really want to position yourself as if that you could explain the devilish details of a consumption tax? I'll bite. Explain only one detail: how it would work in a inner city that already has a double digit sales tax.

    Posted by srjenkins at 01/18/2008 @ 12:32am

14. the hottest stock tip of 2009..

    Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 01/18/2008 @ 12:08am

    There was a news article yesterday....a company just got reg. approval to build a $300 million desalination plant north of San Diego that can supply 100k homes. Company is private, venture-capital backed....GE is involved....

    Hey, buy 100 shares of Fuel Cell Energy (FCEL) for your son...it's down to $8.48 and it got Connecticut to LOAN it $4 million for expansion....`green' jobs! Remember I sold some at about $11.50 about a month or two ago! Downside is limited from this point!

    Posted by Happy at 01/18/2008 @ 12:39am

15. Also to the original article's point, it's actually consistent with a traditional perspective of sodomy. Try the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Article 125 - Sodomy:

    "Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense...It is unnatural carnal copulation for a person to take into that person's mouth or anus the sexual organ of another person or of an animal; or to place that person's sexual organ in the mouth or anus of another person or of an animal; or to have carnal copulation in any opening of the body, except the sexual parts, with another person; or to have carnal copulation with an animal."

    If Mike is taking the traditional view, then we could say that homosexuality is like bestiality - and heterosexual oral or anal sex. I'm sure Mike failed to mention all the varieties of sex (oral, anal, hand jobs, use of sexual toys and the whole world of sexual behavior for that matter that would apply in the strictest interpretation of sodomy) because more of his listeners have engaged in those kinds of sexual acts than in bestiality or homosexuality.

    Posted by srjenkins at 01/18/2008 @ 12:48am

16. Posted by SRJENKINS 01/18/2008 @ 12:32am

    And you think the current system we have works? Heck, even former fed chairman, Alan Greenspan thinks a flat tax may be workable.

    Posted by ACook at 01/18/2008 @ 12:53am

17. I'll bite. Explain only one detail: how it would work in a inner city that already has a double digit sales tax.

    Posted by SRJENKINS 01/18/2008 @ 12:32am

    It's always a chore when you "bite" :~)

    I've not read in-depth on the Consumption Tax but we probably have similar concept of what it is....but I'll take a `stab' at the "inner city"!

    Other than booze & tobacco, I see positive impact to your typical inner city lower income folks. They already pay little Fed/State/City income taxes and with the advent of C-Tax, like everyone else, they wouldn't have that (little) income tax burden anymore. They would pay IF they buy booze, tobacco or say restaurant meals above your fast-food types. The prices of the staple they do buy, should drop as the corp. income/dividend taxes and back-office accounting costs are all eliminated or reduced throughout the supply/distribution chain.

    The one item inner city folks used the least of, should be gasoline since most large urban areas have mass transit. Still, I'm not sure if we should slap on a major consumption tax on top of an already heavily taxed, everyday `need' item. Could be some good battles between the Greens and Libs!

    Just as you dream of an ideal/just left-libertarian world, I dream of a world where only consumptions are taxed and savings/investments aren't! Neither of us are likely to come close to experiencing our dreams!

    IMHO, our economy has gotten too big, too complex, and there are powerful `status quo' interests....it just ain't gonna happen; except in limited applications like luxury taxes on Hummers and such. I suppose, if Dems wins it all, they could try to broaden the "limited applications" that would hit just the upper-middle and rich classes....will for sure, drive down demand!

    Posted by Happy at 01/18/2008 @ 01:04am

18. Posted by HAPPY 01/18/2008 @ 01:04am

    In a city with say a 10 percent sales tax, the addition of what the Fair Tax suggests (I believe it is 23%) would manage to move more money out of the taxed economy (cheating, barter and so forth), drive down consumption and economic growth, provide insufficient revenue to cover our governments costs and probably destroy the tax base the local government has been using to boot.

    Add in that no country has even successfully implemented a double digit consumption tax, for the reasons above, and you have a spectacularly bad idea.

    Posted by ACOOK 01/18/2008 @ 12:53am

    Let's quote the Chairman himself.

    "As you know, many economists believe that a consumption tax would be best from the perspective of promoting economic growth--particularly if one were designing a tax system from scratch--because a consumption tax is likely to encourage saving and capital formation. However, getting from the current tax system to a consumption tax raises a challenging set of transition issues."

    http://www.federalreserve.gov/BOARDDOCS/TESTIMONY/2005/20050303/default. htm

    I've seen some discussion he favors a national sales tax in combination with an income tax, similiar to Canada's system.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Canada

    But what did the President's Advisory Panel on Federal Tax Reform, a panel with expertise such that the Chairman wouldn't presume to get into specific recommendations, decide?

    "The Panel also developed and considered a progressive consumption tax plan that would be administered using the infrastructure of our familiar tax system, but was unable to reach a consensus to include it as a recommendation. The Panel also considered ideas for a value-added tax and a national retail sales tax, and decided not to recommend either approach."

    http://www.taxreformpanel.gov/final-report/TaxReform_ExSumm.pdf

    In other words, the two standards for implementing a relatively simple consumption tax - VAT, national sales tax - weren't recommended because they fail some standard, perhaps one like having "lost sight of the fact that the fundamental purpose of our tax system is to raise revenues to fund government."

    Posted by srjenkins at 01/18/2008 @ 02:04am

19. Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 01/18/2008 @ 12:12am

    The neo-cons WANT America to be like Iraq, Bulgaria and even Russia. The oligarchs should run things, don't-ja know.

    they want only a private school system, even though no modern thriving society has one like that. They want to not have drivers licenses, even though no modern thriving society works like that. (But a national Id sounds good to the Finger Freedom Fighters) They like that America pays more in healthcare overhead than any two other first world countries combined.

    and we all have learned through elections in many states that allowing two consenting adults to enter into a contract would lead to people wanting to enter into contracts with dog and mules.

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    "...check out Huckabee on equating homosexuality with bestiality

    Posted by Katrina vanden Heuvel at 01/17/2008 @ 9:44pm

    KVH, Mike Huckabee said no such thing in that article. And there's nothing "wacko" about a flat tax.

    Posted by ACOOK 01/17/2008 @ 10:38pm

    Really?

    then what does this actually mean?

    HUCKABEE: Well, I don't think that's a radical view to say we're going to affirm marriage. I think the radical view is to say that we're going to change the definition of marriage so that it can mean two men, two women, a man and three women, a man and a child, a man and animal.

    and would somebody please answer this question- How many marriages has the "Defense of Marriage Act" saved? A bill signed into law by the liberal Bill Clinton.

    And how does the DOMA relate to the Finger Fighters for Freedom agenda of Freedom for all? Why is it that so much of the neo-con agenda is to give stocks more rights, but take away the rights of people in their homes and their right to voice their opinions? Do you guys see the rub here?

    neo-cons=

    no gay unions, usually no gayness at all, not even if the gay person could save them form Islamic terrorism

    "free speech" zones

    Wire taps without warrants

    renderings without cause

    Guvt should know what you check out of the library and buy at the book store

    But-

    pollution should be allowed

    business should be de-regulated

    goods, but not people, should be allowed to cross borders with no regulation

    I lie on the beach with Hillary-Ann, a chatty, scatty 35-year-old Californian designer. As she explains the perils of Republican dating, my mind drifts, watching the gentle tide. When I hear her say, " Of course, we need to execute some of these people," I wake up. Who do we need to execute? She runs her fingers through the sand lazily. "A few of these prominent liberals who are trying to demoralise the country," she says. "Just take a couple of these anti-war people off to the gas chamber for treason to show, if you try to bring down America at a time of war, that's what you'll get." She squints at the sun and smiles. " Then things'll change."--http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article276604 0.ece

    Yeah! Freedom Soviet style!! Raygun was wrong, he should have let the Soviets win, then the neo-cons could have lived in peace, unable to hear the crickets from our cells in the gulags of Cuba.

    Posted by crabwalk at 01/18/2008 @ 07:59am

20. I'll admit up front I don't know enough about the "fair tax" issue but I do have a couple of concerns. First, I kind of like the idea but where I live, I already pay state tax, city tax, even a "tourist" tax among three or four other taxes on items. So would adding a federal fair tax trump these or would it be in addition to? If it trumps, where do the state/city get income? If it is in addition to, I'd be looking at about 40-45% taxes on items (using the 23% federal tax number).

    Next, if the fair tax is enacted and federal income tax goes away, who's to say the income tax won't come back in 5 years or so. Then I'd be stuck with even more taxes.

    Posted by FritztheCat at 01/18/2008 @ 09:05am

21. Posted by JOMAMMA 01/18/2008 @ 08:31am

    See, that's not what will happen. Many major cities get more than a quarter of their income from sales taxes and some states, like Florida, use a sales tax instead of an income tax. So, what do they do when this ill-thought federal taxation comes into play? They go broke, and you just wave your wand and pretend it will, how did you phrase it, be "dropped dramatically"?

    If you were to present this at a business plan to shareholders, you'd be laughed out of the boardroom and replaced with someone competent. It's right up there was the ideas of standard issue socialists that think the socialist hammer is the answer to every problematic nail.

    Posted by JOMAMMA 01/18/2008 @ 08:33am

    There is a reason that Bush's own tax policy group didn't recommend this strategy. It doesn't work.

    Posted by srjenkins at 01/18/2008 @ 09:09am

22. JO, are you talking about the Fair Tax book by Neal Boortz?

    Posted by FritztheCat at 01/18/2008 @ 09:40am

23. JO, thanks. I'm going to order it and become a bit more educated (hopefully).

    Posted by FritztheCat at 01/18/2008 @ 09:52am

24. What is it with conservatives public fascination with bestiality?

    What freudian twist causes them to spend so much time on the topic?

    Last night, anti-abortion extremist Neal Horsley was a guest on The Alan Colmes Show, a FOX News radio program. The topic was an interesting one - whether or not an internet service provider should allow Horsley to post the names of abortion doctors on his website. Horsley does that as a way of targeting them and one doctor has been killed. In the course of the interview, however, Colmes asked Horsley about his background, including a statement that he had admitted to engaging in homosexual and bestiality sex.

    At first, Horsley laughed and said, "Just because it's printed in the media, people jump to believe it."

    "Is it true?" Colmes asked.

    "Hey, Alan, if you want to accuse me of having sex when I was a fool, I did everything that crossed my mind that looked like I..."

    AC: "You had sex with animals?"

    NH: "Absolutely. I was a fool. When you grow up on a farm in Georgia, your first girlfriend is a mule."

    AC: "I'm not so sure that that is so."

    NH: "You didn't grow up on a farm in Georgia, did you?"

    AC: "Are you suggesting that everybody who grows up on a farm in Georgia has a mule as a girlfriend?"

    NH: It has historically been the case. You people are so far removed from the reality... Welcome to domestic life on the farm..."

    Posted by Dr Decibels at 01/18/2008 @ 10:48am

25. http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=huckabees_magic_fair_tax

    here's an antidote to that fair tax bullshit you've been peddling, Maasch.

    Huck is a homophobic Taleban like creep. he will never be anything bit what he is. president? hahahaha.

    Posted by mask2 at 01/18/2008 @ 10:53am

26. Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 01/18/2008 @ 12:12am | ignore this person

    nice work. be sure to read the fair tax link I posted.

    Posted by mask2 at 01/18/2008 @ 10:57am

27. instead of Huck the Taleban, I support Chubby Checker with "The Hucklebuck"

    still think I'm a kid, Mask1 ?

    Posted by mask2 at 01/18/2008 @ 10:59am

28. What is it with conservatives public fascination with bestiality?

    Posted by DR DECIBELS 01/18/2008 @ 10:48am

    ¿animal instinct?

    Posted by frosty zoom at 01/18/2008 @ 11:03am

29. Posted by JOMAMMA 01/18/2008 @ 11:05am | ignore this person

    how is your great white hope Fred doing?

    Posted by mask2 at 01/18/2008 @ 11:14am

30. Posted by MASK2 01/18/2008 @ 10:53am

    a tax like this could work if it were, say, 50%. tax goods AND services. then make a series of graduate rebates* for those of normal economic means. leave out real food (tax the @#$##$ out of junk food), medicine, tuition and books.

    *calculated on "average yearly spending**"

    **as figured out by economists, not musicians

    ex.

    $30,000 or less full rebate

    $30,000 to 60,000 40% rebate.

    etc.,

    heck i don't know. seems probable. plus, if you don't buy stuff, it'll leave you plenty of cash for blackmarket stuff***.

    ***oops. i meant to say for your savings and education.

    but what a headache

    if you want tax reform, put a checklist on the tax form where the taxpayer can designate to which areas of government spending he/she wishes to direct their hard earned dolaritos.

    Posted by frosty zoom at 01/18/2008 @ 11:16am

31. if you want tax reform, put a checklist on the tax form where the taxpayer can designate to which areas of government spending he/she wishes to direct their hard earned dolaritos.

    Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 01/18/2008 @ 11:16am | ignore this person

    this is crazy.

    want a fair tax? tax all income at the same rate. why should the coupon clipper pay less tax than the guy behind the plow? it's all income.

    Posted by mask2 at 01/18/2008 @ 11:23am

32. Posted by JOMAMMA 01/18/2008 @ 11:22am | ignore this person

    this is DOA. no advanced country has even so much made a nod in that direction. forget it.

    Posted by mask2 at 01/18/2008 @ 11:24am

33. Posted by JOMAMMA 01/18/2008 @ 11:22am

    a tax system can't be simple. that's why you've got teams of brainiacs thinking these things up. there is no magic 23% bullet.

    Posted by frosty zoom at 01/18/2008 @ 11:31am

34. Read the book

    you're telling ME to read a book? after all your absurd anti book posts? you are a buffoon. stick to golf.

    Posted by mask2 at 01/18/2008 @ 11:41am

35. help, I've lost the thread where Mask beat up on Katrina.

    Posted by mask2 at 01/18/2008 @ 12:02pm

36. never mind, Rosannadanna

    Posted by mask2 at 01/18/2008 @ 12:04pm

37. never mind, Rosannadanna

    Posted by MASK2 01/18/2008 @ 12:04pm

    That was "Miss Emily Litella", not "Rosanne Rosannadanna"

    Posted by Mask at 01/18/2008 @ 12:56pm

38. yup,

    Posted by mask2 at 01/18/2008 @ 1:00pm

39. I suggest you read the article, "Just how fair is the 'FairTax'? in Money Magazine":

    "Critics claim the FairTax has two major flaws: It wouldn't work in practice and, even if it did, it wouldn't raise enough money. The first problem has to do with the fact that people cheat on their taxes; they do it now, and they'd find ways to do it under a sales tax. With all of the taxes we'd owe being lumped into one big sales tax, lots of people might be tempted to try evading it, with black markets springing up everywhere.

    Joel Slemrod of the University of Michigan's Office of Tax Policy Research says that only six countries in the world have tried to collect a sales tax north of 10 percent, and four of them eventually adopted alternatives like a VAT. Consumers might also be unpleasantly surprised by all the things that get taxed: Not just milk at the grocery store, but legal fees, rent on an apartment, even health-care expenses."

    Personally I like this quote: "It is practically and logically impossible for the government be collecting the same amount of money as before and have everyone suddenly be better off," says Daniel Shaviro, a tax law professor at New York University.

    http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/06/pf/taxes/consumptiontax_0510/index.htm

    You could also try the Christian Science Monitor:

    "And there is debate over whether a 23 percent national sales tax, as called for by Huckabee, would raise enough money to replace the taxes lost. Some economists say the rate would have to approach 50 percent, particularly as Huckabee's plan also calls for a "prebate" cash subsidy for poor taxpayers."

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0104/p01s01-uspo.html

    I smell free market religion.

    Posted by srjenkins at 01/18/2008 @ 1:18pm

40. Posted by JOMAMMA 01/18/2008 @ 09:35am

    Are you suggesting the tax policy group made policy recommendations based on what is likely to pass in Congress? What evidence do you have for this claim - other than they should have gone for a measure you apparently deeply believe in - and didn't. What makes you think it was this rather than say, their considered expert opinion on the topic?

    Posted by JOMAMMA 01/18/2008 @ 10:00am

    You mean you want to more explicitly socialize warfare? Nice to see you turning into a socialist John.

    Posted by srjenkins at 01/18/2008 @ 1:23pm

41. Posted by SRJENKINS 01/18/2008 @ 1:18pm | ignore this person

    of course. all you have to do is see who proposes it. That idiot Forbes for instance, and that idiot Maasch.

    Posted by mask2 at 01/18/2008 @ 1:24pm

42. Posted by SRJENKINS 01/18/2008 @ 1:18pm

    "And there is debate over whether a 23 percent national sales tax, as called for by Huckabee, would raise enough money to replace the taxes lost. Some economists say the rate would have to approach 50 percent, particularly as Huckabee's plan also calls for a "prebate" cash subsidy for poor taxpayers."

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0104/p01s01-uspo.html

    LOL. well now i'm an economist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL.

    a tax like this could work if it were, say, 50%. tax goods AND services. then make a series of graduate rebates* for those of normal economic means. leave out real food (tax the @#$##$ out of junk food), medicine, tuition and books.

    *calculated on "average yearly spending**"

    **as figured out by economists, not musicians

    ex.

    $30,000 or less full rebate

    $30,000 to 60,000 40% rebate.

    etc.,

    heck i don't know. seems probable. plus, if you don't buy stuff, it'll leave you plenty of cash for blackmarket stuff***.

    ***oops. i meant to say for your savings and education.

    but what a headache

    Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 01/18/2008 @ 11:16am

    Posted by frosty zoom at 01/18/2008 @ 1:36pm