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RedditAt the risk of suggesting the unimaginable to the unimaginative, the Democrats who would like to unscrew the "Reserved for Hillary Clinton" plaque from the party's 2008 presidential nomination might want to work overtime tonight.
If Clinton's challengers check their calendars, they will perhaps note that this evening's debate at Dartmouth will be the first serious forum of the fall. In barely three months, perhaps less, grassroots Democrats will begin participating in the caucuses and casting the primary votes -- in Iowa or New Hampshire or Michigan or Florida or some other pretender to "first-in-the-nation" status -- that will quickly seal the deal.
Clinton is not the preferred candidate of the majority of Democrats nationally or in most of the early caucus and primary states. But Democrats have a tendency to nominate candidates they don't like. This has something to do with political calculus; remember the passionless decision of 2004 Iowa caucus goers to back John Kerry because he "looked like a winner." Clinton has run a smart, efficient and generally mistake-free campaign and that appeals to discouraged Democrats. Clinton's strength also has something to do with her genuine appeal to certain sections of the party base -- especially young women and some communities of color. But, make no mistake, Clinton is not the ideological soul-mate of the average Democrat.
On most major issues, she stands well to the right of Democrats and independents.
Fortunately, all of Clinton's opponents for the nomination (with the possible exception of the lamentable Joe Biden) stand to her left.
Unfortunately, all of Clinton's opponents for the nomination (with the possible exception of the lamentable Joe Biden) stand to her left.
It is certainly good that there are Democratic contenders such as Barack Obama, who is arguing for more diplomacy and reconciliation in the world and at home; John Edwards, who is striking populist chords; Bill Richardson, who is saying its time to bring all the troops home from Iraq; Dennis Kucinich, who is speaking to legitimate fears about the administration's seeming determination to make war with Iran; Chris Dodd, who has spoken up well and wisely on a number of Constitutional issues; and Mike Gravel, who reminds us that we should fear candidates who speak casually about using nuclear weapons.
But, while those appeals may well attract more than 50 percent of the Democratic vote, the raw numbers favor Clinton.
Consider the latest poll from New Hampshire. According to the survey conducted by the University of New Hampshire for WMUR and CNN, Clinton is at 43 percent. That's a seven point hike since July for the New York senator, suggesting that she's got the momentum that matters a good deal at this point.
Obama is at 20 percent, and slipping; Edwards is at 12 percent; Richardson is at 6 percent. Kucinich is at 3, as is Biden. Dodd's at 1. So is "Other," which is one point better than Gravel.
Eleven percent of likely Democratic primary voters remain undecided.
If this scenario continues, the headline from New Hampshire come January -- or, perhaps, December -- will likely read: "Clinton Sweeps First Primary."
Any candidate who would prefer another headline might want to say something meaningful -- or inspiring, or simply distinguishing -- tonight. We really are reaching the point where there will not be
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"If Mr. Gore got into the 2008 presidential nomination contest, he would edge out Mrs. Clinton in New Hampshire 32 percent to 26 percent and defeat the rest of the Democratic contenders, says a 7NEWS-Suffolk University poll of likely voters." http://tinyurl.com/3ddyjp
Ok this was back in late June, but still there's much speculation that Al may be throwing in his hat into the ring come October. Don't anyone count Gore out just yet.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/26/2007 @ 1:16pm
hhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllpppppppppppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by PLANET EARTH 09/26/2007 @ 1:16pm | ignore this person
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/26/2007 @ 1:19pm
I seem to recall some dispute as to The Nation's position on Hillary Clinton (no inuendo intended there). Yup, Hillary sucks. Spread the word.
Posted by MATTMAN at 09/26/2007 @ 1:19pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/26/2007 @ 1:16pm
I love your optimism, and I hope you'e right, but I think you're wrong.
Posted by MATTMAN at 09/26/2007 @ 1:22pm
(no inuendo intended there).
Posted by MATTMAN 09/26/2007 @ 1:19pm
well then, just ¿in whose "endo" are you insinuating?
hoping you get the joke,
FZ
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/26/2007 @ 1:22pm
well...its the math...
we have clinton and clinton alone (biden? huh?) who reps the right center, and 6 who split the center-left.
thats hard to triangulate. or...septangulate...indeed.
but strange things can happen.
i dont know what more mr. obama can do or say. if people actually listen to him and read his speeches...how can they not see true virtue?
but without any ideological competition, fifty foot queenie stands goliath-like all alone.
sling shot anyone?
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/26/2007 @ 1:23pm
its also time for the six dwarves to see whats comming and decide which amongst them can take down she goliath...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/26/2007 @ 1:26pm
Can Mr Nichols explain this....?
"Clinton is not the preferred candidate of the majority of Democrats nationally or in most of the early caucus and primary states."
Yeah, so? What Democratic (or Republican) candidate usually IS, unless it's an incumbency? Bill Clinton wasn't "the preferred candidate of a majority of Democrats" in 1991. Neither was Jimmy Carter.
(Again, I know this is going to get me put in the FRANKGRITS Her Majesty Is Unstoppable Fan Club....but I'm just talking basic facts!.....And I still hold out hope that John or Barack can make come-back....a slim hope!)
Posted by Mask at 09/26/2007 @ 1:38pm
Posted by ZERO 09/26/2007 @ 1:38pm
not so sure. kvh aint a hrc lover, from what i've seen...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/26/2007 @ 1:40pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/26/2007 @ 1:16pm
Oh, almost forgot....thanks for reminding me...
35 days and counting....
Posted by Mask at 09/26/2007 @ 1:40pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 09/26/2007 @ 1:40pm
Ms vanden Heuvel's a woman (as is Katha Pollit)....ZERO has a "problem" with women.
Posted by Mask at 09/26/2007 @ 1:41pm
an absolute flap-in-the-breeze lobbyists' whore
by ZERO
ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/26/2007 @ 1:44pm
Posted by ZERO 09/26/2007 @ 1:44pm
what other hope will she have left?
alas.................
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/26/2007 @ 1:46pm
"We are trying to open up the television medium so that viewers can help to make television and join the conversation of democracy and reclaim American democracy by talking about the choices we have to make. More to come. Current.com. Next month."
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/26/2007 @ 1:48pm
Posted by ZERO 09/26/2007 @ 1:44pm
Because as soon as the "dust settles" and the nominee is chosen, KVH will be a realist and take a pragmatic view. Nothing wrong with that.
Posted by Hman23 at 09/26/2007 @ 1:49pm
Oh come on, if the in the end, the only choice you had was between Hillary and any of the current repub front runners, barring of course if they get Colin Powell to run, there's no way the repubs can put up a candidate that isn't more steeped in moral and political hypocrisy than that Hillary can approach. So everyone will choose Hillary if that the only real choice.
But then that's why Al Gore will step in.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/26/2007 @ 2:05pm
Posted by RIO BRAVO 09/26/2007 @ 2:01pm
he's serving as hrc's "cabana boy" on the hrc campaign jet.
"cabana boy! i got a knot in my shoulers and my feet are killing me. bring the epson salts, champagne, and dr zog's lubricating motion lotion. and dont forget to close the door...stupid!"
"yes m'am!"
sorry frank...just joking...
you know i esteem you highly despite the horse you've hitched yerself up ta'!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/26/2007 @ 2:14pm
Rio-You and this satan critter must be quite close for you to know who his favorite daughter is.You keep poor company.
Posted by i'm nobody at 09/26/2007 @ 2:45pm
Posted by ZERO 09/26/2007 @ 1:44pm
maybe...but i dont think she'll be happy about it. remember her sort of cryptic reference a week ago, where she umped down into the blog response pits and advised us to enjoy life and said something about the chokehold of duopolistic polity or something like that?
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/26/2007 @ 2:52pm
I just read an article a ways back that said there's no way that Hillary would pick Obama as her VP since the 2 rules for picking a VP are that 1. don't pick a VP that can upstage you 2. don't pick one you can't control... Both of which would rule out Obama.
However Al could pick either Hillary or Obama, but most probably Obama The question then becomes, if Obama wins the nomination would he pick Hillary for his VP...
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/26/2007 @ 2:53pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 09/26/2007 @ 2:52pm
ah, life in the blog-pits.
"hey, somebody through MASK a bone, think he's getting hungry!"
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/26/2007 @ 2:54pm
but most probably Obama The question then becomes, if Obama wins the nomination would he pick Hillary for his VP...
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/26/2007 @ 2:53pm
you mean "to each his cheney...................."
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/26/2007 @ 2:55pm
"hey, somebody through MASK a bone, think he's getting hungry!"
Posted by FROSTY ZOOM 09/26/2007 @ 2:54pm
You mean toss a 'Frita straw dildo'?
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/26/2007 @ 3:01pm
Ain't got any...
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/26/2007 @ 3:01pm
"Two years ago, the Sierra Club was preparing for its first ever annual convention, The Sierra Summit, and former Vice-President Al Gore was preparing a speech for the National Association of Insurance Commissioners on the topic of "hurricane risk and global warming." Gore's speech was scheduled for what seemed like a very appropriate location -- New Orleans.
Then Katrina stepped in. The Commissioners never got to New Orleans. The Vice-President ended up speaking at The Sierra Summit in San Francisco instead. And almost no one needed a lecture on the consequences of global warming-fired hurricane risks."
http://tinyurl.com/2kpden
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/26/2007 @ 3:06pm
The biggest reason Al will step in will be leading candidates spouting rhetoric about continuation of the Iraq war and minimizing global warming or not putting it as a top priority.
Funding of the war means no funding for the affects or prep for global warming...
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/26/2007 @ 3:12pm
Well, HSUB...you 35 days to find some!
LOL!
Posted by Mask at 09/26/2007 @ 3:12pm
BTW, IBBLE.....if anorexia girl and RESE need a room-mate....
I'll have one for you come Halloween!
Posted by Mask at 09/26/2007 @ 3:14pm
Frita hides them like easter eggs...
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/26/2007 @ 3:14pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/26/2007 @ 3:14pm
Hey, want to switch "impeachment" and "Gore steps in" to Easter 2008, now?
Happy to double the bet?
LOL!
Posted by Mask at 09/26/2007 @ 3:18pm
Posted by MASK 09/26/2007 @ 3:14pm
new sitcom...
"three's scary"...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/26/2007 @ 3:19pm
BTW, here's a little sneak peek for Halloween--
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 01/02/2007 @ 4:15pm |BLOG | Posted 01/02/2007 @ 02:22am Comments for "Ford, Cheney, Checks and Balances" by John Nichols
Calm down. I'm sure hsuB won't get impeached for another 2-3 months, at least.----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 01/02/2007 @ 2:54pm
Okay...translated.....you're calling for Bills of Impeachment out of the House of Reps by late October 2007?
yes?---Posted by MASK 01/02/2007 @ 4:18pm
Sounds about right. Or is that left to you?----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 01/02/2007 @ 4:20pm
BLOG | Posted 01/05/2007 @ 12:36am Will a New Congress Check and Balance Bush? by John Nichols
Right upto Bush's Democratic successor swearing-in on January 20th, 2009??? ----Posted by MASK 01/05/2007 @ 2:22pm
Would it not be better on Oct. 30, 2007?----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 01/05/2007 @ 2:36pm
BLOG | Posted 09/26/2007 @ 1:02pm Clock is Ticking for Clinton's Challengers by John Nichols
But then that's why Al Gore will step in.----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/26/2007 @ 2:05pm
The biggest reason Al will step in will be leading candidates spouting rhetoric about continuation of the Iraq war and minimizing global warming or not putting it as a top priority.----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/26/2007 @ 3:12pm
BLOG | Posted 09/04/2007 @ 11:33am State of the Race by Ari Berman
T-minus 57 days and counting.
(Going as a "Gore in '08" placard or a Bill of Impeachment, for Halloween, HSUB?)----Posted by MASK 09/04/2007 @ 3:20pm
Both, I believe I've stated multiple times that both were going to happen.----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/04/2007 @ 4:03pm
Posted by Mask at 09/26/2007 @ 3:20pm
i gotta say
looking like gore-gone....
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/26/2007 @ 3:20pm
Frita-- just for you:
"You're only given a little spark of madness. You mustn't lose it." – Robin Williams
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/26/2007 @ 3:20pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 09/26/2007 @ 3:19pm
Would work if RESE is female...she could be Janet. Anorexia Girl as "Chrissy". And HSUB as Jack Flipper. They spend all day talking about how fat Chrissy is....how "Gore will be running any day now; he's just waiting for the right moment!" (in March 2008)....
and RESE blaming it all on "the Jesuits"!
Posted by Mask at 09/26/2007 @ 3:22pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/26/2007 @ 3:20pm
Well, HSUB, in that case, you could light Vegas!
heheh
Posted by Mask at 09/26/2007 @ 3:23pm
Frita's throwing out straw dildos like they're going out of style... Guess she gave up trying to hide them for surprises.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/26/2007 @ 3:26pm
Posted by MASK 09/26/2007 @ 3:22pm |
gore could be mr. roper...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/26/2007 @ 3:28pm
Here's a few more HSUB favorites...
BLOG | Posted 12/11/2006 @ 12:43pm Comments for "'Impeachment is Not Optional'" by John Nichols
I suppose congress' approval poll numbers will start shooting through the roof now that people with a work-ethic are in charge. Bet (constitutionally) that at the end of the next session the dem poll numbers are twice that of the repubs.----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 12/12/2006 @ 09:51am
BLOG | Posted 09/15/2006 @ 4:08pm Comments for "Camp Democracy and the Genius of Impeachment" by John Nichols
Guys....doesn't matter if any of YOU (or Mr Nichols) believe in what I said in my first post...what matters is.....will "Speaker Nancy", Maj. Leader Hoyer, and Senate Maj. Leader Reid?---Posted by MASK 09/16/2006 @ 2:30bm
Just now spoke to Reid, Pelosi-- and they said to tell Masq, most of them, leadership and even McCain with a few repubs-- are with me (11:54/12:34) on this one.-----Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/16/2006 @ 7:45pm
Posted by Mask at 09/26/2007 @ 3:31pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 09/26/2007 @ 3:28pm
More like a heavy version of Mr. Furley (Don Knotts)!
Posted by Mask at 09/26/2007 @ 3:32pm
gore could be mr. roper...
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 09/26/2007 @ 3:28pm |
"now whath all thith about? conthpirathy and anorecthia? thomethingth not right here!"
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/26/2007 @ 3:33pm
....And I still hold out hope that John or Barack can make come-back....a slim hope!)
Posted by MASK 09/26/2007 @ 1:38pm
Thought you're Rich's man! Fact is, you have exerted NO effort to support `your men'--Richardson, Magic Negro or $400 John--all the while "I'll vote for her IF she's the Nominee!"
IF the Iraq War is your BIG one (you most certainly sound that way), you should have been fighting hard--given the amount of time you devote to blogging and obvious blogging/archiving `talent'--for Obama! Magic, as the POTUS, is the ONLY ONE who can immediately terminate the Iraq War and NOT come across the wrong way since he was against it from DAY 1!!!!
You and TN are both hardcore HRC loyalists operating under masks!!!
Posted by Happy at 09/26/2007 @ 3:37pm
"You're only given a little spark of madness. You mustn't lose it." – Robin Williams
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/26/2007 @ 3:20pm
damn! i'm on fire!
Posted by frosty zoom at 09/26/2007 @ 3:39pm
Hey, Frita weren't you the one that said Pelosi would never go for impeachment and that hsuB would never let your Frito go? And then Pelosi said sure about the Frito impeachment and hsuB let your Frito go...
Oh, and Frita, aren't you the one that was for impeachment but only advocates against impeachment?
And BTW, Frita, saving everyone's posts, is keeping it slightly mad... ,but then anything to ge you away from your straw dildos.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/26/2007 @ 3:42pm
And hey Frita, calling me on the 'at least 2-3 more months before impeachment' thing back in January, was mainly to calm you down, but then again it's only a 'little' straw dildo.
Fine, save all my posts. I hope you saved the really good ones too? Are you getting paid enough for doing it though... If so, could you possibly make a website with all of them on it. I think that would be neat! I'm sure people would love to read all my posts especially if you have them organized by subject and maybe rated by maybe a star system like 1 star not so good to 4 stars for great post!
Ok, naw really, stars-- remove the dildos...
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/26/2007 @ 3:57pm
Posted by HAPPY 09/26/2007 @ 3:37pm
HAPP, I like Bill Richardson...but at 3%, he isn't going to make it. So, aside from Her Majesty, it's GOT to be either Obama or Edwards.
And who cares how they "come off"...as long as they end this stupid and wasteful war in Iraq. (and ignore those who say we can "do it again" in Iran with no muss-no fuss and the "Strategic Reserves can make up any oil deficiencies" and ride us out of a world-wide recession!)
BTW, if (by some miracle) Ron Paul is the GOP nominee, will you vote for him...or Hillary? I'd vote for Ron. Now, am I a Hillary supporter or do I support something else?
Posted by Mask at 09/26/2007 @ 4:09pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/26/2007 @ 3:57pm
35 days HSUB left....with a "cushion" of another week, just to be fair, so actually November 6th is when I'll really lay it into you on your insanity.
And AS I'VE ALWAYS SAID, if something changes and Pelosi (who as recently as LAST TUESDAY said she was "still keeping impeachment off the table" to Wolf Blitzer) and Reid go for impeachment by All Saint's Day....and Al Gore the White (revived version of Al Gore the Grey) decides to run...
I'll apologize to you.
If those events don't happen though....you...on the other hand....will keep going, pushing impeachment and Gore's "2008 run" further and further down the road, until you look even more FOOLish than you do now...
if that's possible!
heheh
Posted by Mask at 09/26/2007 @ 4:13pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 09/26/2007 @ 4:14pm
FRANK, a very strange item, but one you'll like (given your fascination with El Rushbo)....
go to YouTube and search "Family Guy Star Wars 2" (as in Part 2 of a parody of SW on FG) and wait for the scene where Luke and 3PO are going out in the desert to find a runaway R2-D2....and when 3PO turns on the radio in the landspeeder!
(and yes, it's really him!)
Posted by Mask at 09/26/2007 @ 4:31pm
Frita, did you ever apologize about Frito-- saying Pelosi wouldn't go with impeaching your Frito or that hsuB would never left Frito go?
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/26/2007 @ 4:32pm
"When I took a job in the White House in January 1993, there were 49 sites on the Web," says Gore, no doubt engaging in a little bit of Hollywood hyperbole (apparently he learns quickly). "Now there are billions. And when we launched Current TV most people said it would fail, that you couldn't build a TV channel on consumer-generated content. Now everyone is doing it." The point is obvious: Gore is onto something. Better yet, his partner Hyatt, who made a fortune selling low-cost legal services, is clearly relishing the fact that he can make big bucks off of one of the more recent Al Gore "inventions." Jokes Hyatt, "I tell him I want two visionary things a year from now on."
http://tinyurl.com/yuny7w
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/26/2007 @ 4:32pm
....if (by some miracle) Ron Paul is the GOP nominee, will you vote for him...or Hillary? I'd vote for Ron. Now, am I a Hillary supporter or do I support something else?
Posted by MASK 09/26/2007 @ 4:09pm
Didn't I say ECONOMY ALWAYS somewhere today? That focus shares much in common with Libertarianism. It also means the Iraq War is secondary! I leave it to the CIC, whoever he/she is, to handle `hot potato' foreign policy matrixs!
For your lack of any effort on behalf of the most viable challenger to HRC, that's Obama who has always opposed the war you (now) detest, sorry but YES, you ARE a HRC supporter....just took a while to realize what's been in plain sight!
Posted by Happy at 09/26/2007 @ 4:38pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/26/2007 @ 4:32pm
Sure I will, HSUB......I was wrong! Bush did get enough pressure on him to fire Gonzales. I figured he would ride it out longer.
Now....ready to try that phrase yourself? It's easy...."I"...."was"......"wrong" (exclamation optional)
Or are you going to go the last 35 days STILL claiming not first that "Gore MAY run" (Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/26/2007 @ 1:16pm) and then, within an hour, going to "Gore WILL run" (Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/26/2007 @ 2:05pm)....as well as sticking with impeachment being just around the corner?
Posted by Mask at 09/26/2007 @ 4:38pm
er, let-- not left...
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/26/2007 @ 4:40pm
Posted by HAPPY 09/26/2007 @ 4:38pm
HAPP, don't know how much clearer I have to make it for you....ANY Dem....I'm voting for them, unless Ron Paul is the GOP nominee.
Why does that make me a "HRC supporter"?
As for supporting Obama, happy to....tell me how you're supporting YOUR Republican nominee, and I'll follow suit with Barack!
Posted by Mask at 09/26/2007 @ 4:40pm
Sure I will, HSUB......I was wrong! Bush did get enough pressure on him to fire Gonzales. I figured he would ride it out longer.
Posted by MASK 09/26/2007 @ 4:38pm
So Frita will you also admit that you had more of a hendrence on the pressure to impeach your Frito than not? Same as your advocation for not impeaching hsuB is helping obstruct not help our country remove a petty war mongering hsuB/cHeney admin.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/26/2007 @ 4:45pm
As for supporting Obama, happy to....tell me how you're supporting YOUR Republican nominee, and I'll follow suit with Barack!
Posted by MASK 09/26/2007 @ 4:40pm
yay! the little o-train that can!
thanks for your support!
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/26/2007 @ 4:49pm
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/26/2007 @ 4:45pm
Oh my God, HSUB....you're right! It was all me!
I was the reason that Pelosi said something somewhat positive about impeaching Gonzales, instead of something VERY positive about doing it!
And I will be the reason that Bush and Cheney won't be impeached (not some silly notion that it was NEVER going to happen), but the fact that I didn't send that ONE EXTRA E-MAIL that it would have took to get...
Pelosi
Reid
Feingold
Conyers
Rahm Emmanuel
Barack Obama
Earl Pomeroy
Howard Dean
or.....wait for it....
AL GORE
To support impeaching Bush and Cheney. Oh LORD! What have I done? What HAVE I done? If not for just one call or letter from ME, MASK the Tipping Point, everything would go as you predicted months and months ago!
I, and I alone, must bear the burden of you seemingly being naive and gradually devolving into delusional madness as Halloween approacheth! Oh the shame...the shame...that all those good honest "didn't say it to get guys like you to vote for them in Nov. 2006, they really meant it" Democrats would be put off from doing what they REALLY, REALLY, REALLY wanted to do (impeach), by simple virtue of the fact they didn't have MASK's support!
(heheh)
Posted by Mask at 09/26/2007 @ 5:01pm
Gore, Schwarzenegger Team Up At U.N.
AP | September 26, 2007 12:12 AM
"Arnie" and "Al," Republican and Democrat, shared the world spotlight to press for climate action, adding a touch of star quality to the staid proceedings of a U.N. summit.
The two headliners, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and former Vice President Al Gore, also highlighted by their presence President Bush's absence from the eight hours of high-level speechmaking Monday on what to do about global warming.
Bush, who did take part later in a small, private U.N. dinner with key players on climate, rejects the idea of international treaty obligations to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide and other "greenhouse gases" blamed for global warming -- an idea central to U.N. climate negotiations.
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/26/2007 @ 5:01pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 09/26/2007 @ 4:49pm
I guarentee I'll work as hard as HAPPY has for his Republican candidate....maybe harder!
Posted by Mask at 09/26/2007 @ 5:01pm
Well, off for a date night...later intelligensia.....HSUB too!
Posted by Mask at 09/26/2007 @ 5:02pm
Oh my God, HSUB....you're right! It was all me!
I was the reason that Pelosi said something somewhat positive about impeaching Gonzales, instead of something VERY positive about doing it!
Posted by MASK 09/26/2007 @ 5:01pm
Frita does love making them straw dildos. And now tends to take back her "I was wrong! Bush did get enough pressure on him to fire Gonzales."
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/26/2007 @ 5:07pm
Gore's Vision for a Global Marshall Plan
At the Clinton Global Initiative's opening session, former Vice President Al Gore called for a Global Marshall Plan to incentive the world for climate change. Thinking out of the box, he is attempting to bring industry, governments, non-profit organizations and everyday people together in a shared vision.
This could be the motivating factor for our diverse and war torn world. It could be the shared vision necessary to lift us up out of the murk. This Marshall Plan could unite diversity, usher in peace, and feed the world economies. Jobs would be created, industry could profit, and the developing countries could find the monies for their people's education and health care.
Government regulations must be adopted. Market mechanisms put in place like cap-in-trade. We need laws, regulations and a new treaty that take action by 2009. This could be the defining moment because we have no choice. The North Pole's ice cab could cease to exist in only 23 years.
It is time to put aside our differences and come together in this global emergency to save the planet. Gore again calls for the President of the United States to lead the world. This could be the home run for the President in the midst of the debacle of our economy and the war in Iraq.
http://tinyurl.com/2s52yr
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/26/2007 @ 5:15pm
Posted by MASK 09/26/2007 @ 5:01pm
just pull the lever and badmouth/minimalize the others at your convenience! yay!
hsub...
i realize this campaign season is starting unusually early and that traditionally speaking, an october declaration of candidacy is reasonable...but...
always a bridesmaid never a bride has its limits...if gorgon does indeed plan to announce in october...
well, considering the polls, i, and i suspect many others who dont like 50 foot queenie, just cant wait around. tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow...creeping along...all the while 50 foot queenie getting stronger every moment.
if gorgon had announced by now, i would have probably been riding the horns of the bull...
but honestly if he's been playing hard to get...he played that game just a little too long...
and if he's been playing that game...he played it a tad too long.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/26/2007 @ 5:33pm
sorry - got distracted there...lol
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/26/2007 @ 5:34pm
i think part of the reason goregon has dithered has something to do with his past relationship to 50 foot queenie and her old man...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/26/2007 @ 5:37pm
Zero -
I do not agree completely with all aspects of Clinton's proposed plan, but it does not require you or anyone else to purchase insurance from a different provider. You can keep whatever existing insurance you have.
Posted by Hman23 at 09/26/2007 @ 5:55pm
Run, Al, Run
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, Sept. 24, 2007, at 12:00 PM ET
On Oct. 12, we shall hear again from Oslo, and I will be very surprised indeed if the peace prize is not awarded to Albert Gore Jr. (Don't ask what a campaign against global warming has done for "peace"; that would be like asking what Mother Teresa or Henry Kissinger had ever done to reduce global conflict. The impression is the main thing.)
So, and if I am right, the former vice president will then complete a year in which An Inconvenient Truth has been awarded an Oscar and he has authored a best seller. Roll it round your tongue again: an Oscar, a best seller, and a Nobel Prize in the space of 12 months or so. Not bad. And meanwhile, the field of Democratic candidates looks--how shall one put it?--a trifle etiolated...
...
Apart from the awards, not only could Gore claim that he had been a fairly effective senator and a reasonably competent vice president, he could also present himself in zeitgeist terms as the candidate who was on the right side of the two great overarching questions: the climate crisis and the war in Mesopotamia. Should I add that, whether or not he really won the Electoral College in 2000, he did manage to collect the majority of the popular vote? Several people, some of them well-informed, have been saying to me that Gore will wait until the Nobel committee's announcement before he makes up his mind. Should he make up his mind to run, he could alter the entire equation.
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http://www.slate.com/id/2174590/
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/26/2007 @ 6:28pm
....ANY Dem....I'm voting for them,...
Why does that make me a "HRC supporter"?
As for supporting Obama, happy to....tell me how you're supporting YOUR Republican nominee, and I'll follow suit with Barack!
Posted by MASK 09/26/2007 @ 4:40pm
How does voting for "ANY Dem" NOT make you a "HRC supporter"? As far as is known, she is a Dem, NO? Well, even if you are confused, at least you DID CONFIRM my putting you squarely in the (large) hole marked `Democrats'....
I am Apolitical for the GOP Primaries...have NEVER donated for this stage of an Election. The way I look at it, this stage is for true political junkies, yes, that's YOU, who could have influence on the eventual Nominee for their party. Since you didn't go to bat openly for anyone but did repeat "I'll Vote for her if she's the Nominee" only about 1,800 times, it's NOT a stretch to pierce your MASK and tag you a HRC supporter all along...but in a triangulating sort of way of course! LOL!
Why don't you just admit that Hillary is your girl and I won't dog you so much! I'm sure FRANK and KVH would appreciate it!
Posted by Happy at 09/26/2007 @ 6:52pm
Posted by RIO BRAVO 09/26/2007 @ 6:28pm
frank's a great guy, but i am gonna rib him. heehee...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/26/2007 @ 6:59pm
Ok this was back in late June, but still there's much speculation that Al may be throwing in his hat into the ring come October. Don't anyone count Gore out just yet.
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/26/2007 @ 1:16pm
We on the right could only hope for ALGORE... Hillary has had the nominee spot locked for 6 years and now TN finally figured out the race is for second bannana seat?
How long before our man BUSHFOOLED suggests that ALGORE will win on election night with the write in vote?
Give it up BUSHFOOLED, ALGORE is a dolt and proves it every time he speaks in public...he sounds even more stupid than Bush and Bush has an excuse..he is dyslexic..ALGORE..it is natural with him..he has a Yogi Bear syntax that is hard to listen to with out giggling, especially when added to his speeche contents or even better yet, his "southern Preacher(black) voice...personally, I think the bolts in his neck are too tight.
Give it up, already...everyone else has...you had no chance..Hillary was crowned 7 years ago.
Bye from China..
Posted by john maasch at 09/26/2007 @ 7:47pm
If Hillary is worried about ALGORE, all she has to do is offer him the number 2 spot right now...this accomplishes 2 things..
1. Kills off the other wanna bes in the,ah, race..and dries up their money flow....
2. Hits ALGORE with a surprise right were it hurts him..in his heart..his head is a brick...it will deflate him and he will then stop living the Harrison popular vote ad nauseum for all of our remaining lives..
Posted by john maasch at 09/26/2007 @ 7:59pm
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 09/26/2007 @ 7:59pm |
no way goregon will take number 2 spot. he's been there/done that...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 09/26/2007 @ 8:16pm
Posted by IBBLEBLIBBLE 09/26/2007 @ 8:16pm
Thats the point and it will finish him off in his own mind, finally...he is unelectable..despite Hollywoods giving him an Oscar, if he gets a NOBEL prize, it will dimish the value of all future prizes..since he will obviously send a G-5 to pick it up along with his check, and fly back to one of his homes...his book will be in print for all to see in the futures years as his predictions follow the path of the Millerites....and his dolt image solidifys for the next generation providing laughs for the future.
Posted by john maasch at 09/26/2007 @ 8:23pm
JoMa,
What are you willing to do for your growing rift with reality when Al Gore enters the race, wins the Nobel? Will you attempt to eat your part of the north pole for solice or just start foot tapping in bathroom stalls along with the rest of your new con repub friends set forever in denial?
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/27/2007 @ 12:20am
This thought has crossed my mind several times, and it profoundly disturbs me. If Hillary Clinton is elected to to the Presidency, the Executive Branch of the government of the United States of America will have been controlled by just two families for a quarter-century. Beyond my whacko anti-royalist/aristocratic sentiments, I am choosing to not ignore the worried feeling I get when I think of her leading our country.
She stands for very little that is meaningful and is capitalizing on the current political climate. She is a political opportunist, playing it safe while the candidates who have pertinent and in some cases (I think) immediately critical concerns talk themselves out of favor with the consistently fickle American Left.
I read once, and I don't remember where (I apologize) that Mr. Gore would not consider entering the race unless it looked as though Mr. Obama was having trouble challenging Mrs. Clinton. If you believe that she could or would take the party and the country in a direction that we do not want it to go in, then I implore you to remember the dedication, leadership, and humanity evident in our former Vice President. If Mr. Gore enters this race, and I hope it is next week, he will have my vote in the primaries... he has proven his worth while Mrs. Clinton has shown herself to be opportunistic and cold.
Posted by MikeHeller at 09/27/2007 @ 03:43am
Just as a reminder as to what happened to front-runners when people go to vote in the primaries:
CBS News Poll, December 14-16, 2003
Dean - ______23%
Clark - ______10%
Lieberman - __10%
Gephardt - ____6%
Sharpton - ____5%
Kerry - _______4%
Edwards - ____ 2%
Opinion Dynamics. The week before Iowa the caucuses:
Dean - ______20%
Clark - ______13%
Lieberman - ___8%
Gephardt - ____7%
Kerry - _______7%
after Kerry wins Iowa and before the New Hampshire primaries, these are what the national numbers were:
Kerry - ______29%
Dean - ______ 17%
Edwards - ____13%
Clark -_______11%
Lieberman - ___5%
after Iowa and New Hampshire:
Kerry - _______53%
Dean - ________ 8%
Edwards - _____ 7%
Sharpton - _____4%
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/27/2007 @ 01:59am
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/27/2007 @ 08:23am
Associated Press Ipsos poll conducted by Ipsos Public Affairs 9/11/2007 w/o Al Gore
Hillary Clinton ____43%
Barack Obama ___23%
John Edwards ____13%
Joe Biden ________4%
Bill Richardson ____4%
Unsure __________9%
None of these ____ 4%
Associated Press Ipsos poll conducted by Ipsos Public Affairs 9/11/2007
Hillary Clinton ___ 34%
Barack Obama ___20%
Al Gore _________16%
John Edwards ____10%
Bill Richardson ____4%
Joe Biden ________3%
Chris Dodd _______1%
Unsure __________8%
None of these ____4%
Posted by HSUBFOOLS 09/27/2007 @ 01:21am
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/27/2007 @ 08:24am
I do believe there's a need for change and the current poll number will indeed change as they usually do. It's still way way too early to start saying who's won...
Well, unless one says it's Al;)
Posted by hsuBfools at 09/27/2007 @ 08:27am
At last night's debate, fresh off a Clinton vote in the Senate for a warmongering resolution that Bush could easily use as an excuse for bombing Iran, Obama said -- nothing. Thankfully, John Edwards called her on it.
This vote was inexcusable pandering to a right wing electorate who will never vote for Clinton under any circumstances, and a simultaneous stick in the eye to her core constituency. That Clinton is the front runner is an absolute disgrace.
This technique where Clinton laughs at her critics might have worked with Chris Wallace on Fox, but her strained and so obviously feigned attempt to ward off Gravel's shaming her for this inexcusable vote just doesn't cut it. She should be ashamed of herself, and her half-hearted attempt to laugh it off indicated she knew she should be ashamed of herself.
Posted by trippin at 09/27/2007 @ 09:41am