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RedditRepublican Idaho Senator Larry Craig is the latest Conflicted Conservative in Crisis to be caught with his pants down. According to Roll Call , Craig was arrested in June at a Minnesota airport by a plainclothes police officer investigating lewd conduct complaints in a men's public restroom. He pled guilty to the misdemeanor crime he was charged with.
Craig has faced pointed rumors of same-sex affairs in the past. Craig responded to these allegations with strident denials. Now, as details of Craig's recent arrest emerge, he looks increasingly cock-eyed, so to speak.
This story would not matter if Craig had never used his position to advance the Republican Party's officially homophobic agenda. But he has. Over and over. In November, 2006, Craig flamboyantly endorsed Idaho's successful anti-gay constitutional amendment, HJR 2, which banned gay marriage, civil unions and domestic partnerships in his state. Pam Spaulding has more background on Craig's anti-gay voting record here. It's also worth recalling Craig's 1999 interview with Tim Russert in which he mocked Bill Clinton as a "naughty boy" for his affair with Monica Lewinsky.
Craig is up for re-election in 2008. Will his carnality in public restrooms put an end to his career in public life? Idaho conservatives may be willing to reward bigotry, but lying is another matter.
Here's the full story on Craig's men's room exploits, according to the sub-only Roll Call:
According to the incident report, Sgt. Dave Karsnia was working as a plainclothes officer on June 11 investigating civilian complaints regarding sexual activity in the men's public restroom in which Craig was arrested.Airport police previously had made numerous arrests in the men's restroom of the Northstar Crossing in the Lindbergh Terminal in connection with sexual activity.
Karsnia entered the bathroom at noon that day and about 13 minutes after taking a seat in a stall, he stated he could see "an older white male with grey hair standing outside my stall."
The man, who lingered in front of the stall for two minutes, was later identified as Craig.
"I could see Craig look through the crack in the door from his position. Craig would look down at his hands, 'fidget' with his fingers, and then look through the crack into my stall again. Craig would repeat this cycle for about two minutes," the report states.
Craig then entered the stall next to Karsnia's and placed his roller bag against the front of the stall door.
"My experience has shown that individuals engaging in lewd conduct use their bags to block the view from the front of their stall," Karsnia stated in his report. "From my seated position, I could observe the shoes and ankles of Craig seated to the left of me."
Craig was wearing dress pants with black dress shoes.
"At 1216 hours, Craig tapped his right foot. I recognized this as a signal used by persons wishing to engage in lewd conduct. Craig tapped his toes several times and moves his foot closer to my foot. I moved my foot up and down slowly. While this was occurring, the male in the stall to my right was still present. I could hear several unknown persons in the restroom that appeared to use the restroom for its intended use. The presence of others did not seem to deter Craig as he moved his right foot so that it touched the side of my left foot which was within my stall area," the report states.
Craig then proceeded to swipe his hand under the stall divider several times, and Karsnia noted in his report that "I could ... see Craig had a gold ring on his ring finger as his hand was on my side of the stall divider."
Karsnia then held his police identification down by the floor so that Craig could see it.
"With my left hand near the floor, I pointed towards the exit. Craig responded, 'No!' I again pointed towards the exit. Craig exited the stall with his roller bags without flushing the toilet. ... Craig said he would not go. I told Craig that he was under arrest, he had to go, and that I didn't want to make a scene. Craig then left the restroom."
In a recorded interview after his arrest, Craig "either disagreed with me or 'didn't recall' the events as they happened," the report states.
Craig stated "that he has a wide stance when going to the bathroom and that his foot may have touched mine," the report states. Craig also told the arresting officer that he reached down with his right hand to pick up a piece of paper that was on the floor.
"It should be noted that there was not a piece of paper on the bathroom floor, nor did Craig pick up a piece of paper," the arresting officer said in the report.
On Aug. 8, the day he pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct in the Minnesota court, Craig appeared via satellite at a ceremony that took place in Idaho in which former Idaho federal Judge Randy Smith was invested into his new position as a judge on the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
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What?? Not ANOTHER one? If republicans weren't so dictated by their dogmatic, anti-gay "faith" they could just come out of the closet and live HAPPY lives! Poor gay republicans can't live the lives they secretly wish they could so they tenaciously endorse anti-gay measures. Hmm.
Posted by MATTMAN at 08/27/2007 @ 6:40pm
Anybody who would have sex in a public restroom is disgusting. How perverted can you get?
Posted by RAGGEDSTEP at 08/27/2007 @ 6:45pm
I really don't understand this. If Craig wanted gay sex, why not go to a gay bar or hire a gay escort? How are you going to have sex in a toilet stall without people noticing four feet in one stall?
Posted by Metteyya at 08/27/2007 @ 7:02pm
Craig appeared via satellite at a ceremony that took place in Idaho in which former Idaho federal Judge Randy Smith was invested into his new position as a judge on the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
i can see why he did the ceremony by satellite--any closer would have been conflict of interest
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 7:12pm
Always ends up as so with homophobes....
even those kind who claim to be "progressives" but throw around terms like "fruit", "fag", or "mary" as insults!
Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 7:37pm
Sounds UNreal!
IF he is in fact gay, this bathroom `affair' of "he said, he said" is much more believable and Craig needs to go! Needs some kinda backup to his "in the closet" status to make the officers' "in the stall" story stand up! Time for discreetly aimed CCTVs' in public restrooms?! They will come one day...beginning in schools...no more "Smoking in the Bathroom!"
Posted by Happy at 08/27/2007 @ 7:50pm
I always find it rather ironic how so-called law and order conservatives are so quick to send non-conservatives up the river, but as soon as one of their own gets busted, their mealy-mouthed backpedaling comes out, and no longer are they the "hang-em first, try em later" types that they usually are.
Posted by jorcheim at 08/27/2007 @ 7:53pm
Posted by JORCHEIM 08/27/2007 @ 7:53pm
Or (not necessarily you), "progressives" who point out hypocrisy in a conservative's lifestyle...
but oddly miss the hypocrisy of liberal leaders, like those who talk about reducing CO2 for its global warming effect (even host a movie about it) ....and then pay off their "carbon footprint", while making few changes to their lavish CO2-producing lifestyles...to a company THEY own!
Plenty of hypocirsy on all sides, yet all sides rarely see theirs.
Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 8:00pm
MASK:
Well, I'm not precisely sure to whom you are referring, but I am fairly certain it wasn't me, considering the fact that I live an extremely low-CO2 footprint lifestyle, eat almost entirely locally grown food, and work from home almost full time, so I rarely have to drive more than about 2-3 miles a day (excepting of course, when I go to see clients).
On a related note, I am in the process of designing my own house, which will be 100% off grid, and 100% without CO2 emissions.
Posted by jorcheim at 08/27/2007 @ 8:16pm
FRANKGRITS:
I'm curious when the AEI is going to pay for his legal bills. LOL.
Posted by jorcheim at 08/27/2007 @ 8:16pm
According to NICHOLS, "On Aug. 8, the day he pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct in the Minnesota court..."
Anything other than what Craig pleaded to, remains "he said, he said"! One can have suspicions based on what one wants to believe....IF Craig is gay, I am more likely to be another FRANK and other Libs on this thread, and `convict' based on personal opinion or biases!
Posted by Happy at 08/27/2007 @ 8:28pm
IF he is in fact gay, this bathroom `affair' of "he said, he said" is much more believable and Craig needs to go!
Posted by HAPPY
Why isn't believable anyway? Gay people are not the only people who lead closeted sex lives or solicit sex in public places.
Posted by hhemwm at 08/27/2007 @ 8:32pm
This is all especially interesting seeing as how there is a paper out of Shippensburg University in Pennsylvania talking about how there were gay domestic partnerships in the Middle Ages.
Perhaps it is time to move away from such rigid definitions of sexuality and relationships?
Posted by hhemwm at 08/27/2007 @ 8:33pm
HAPPY:
You missed my point. You would NEVER give any liberal or progressive such benefit of the doubt.
Posted by jorcheim at 08/27/2007 @ 8:41pm
Sounds like another Presidential Pardon is in order ...
Posted by dhbecker at 08/27/2007 @ 8:56pm
On a related note, I am in the process of designing my own house, which will be 100% off grid, and 100% without CO2 emissions.
Posted by JORCHEIM 08/27/2007 @ 8:16pm
thanks, dude
can ya build one for me, too?
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 9:01pm
FROSTY ZOOM:
Lol, depends... Where do you live? And, are you gonna help? keep in mind, I am in the design process, haven;t gotten to the building process yet. That will take me another 12-24 months, to find a suitable lot, and secure the appropriate code exceptions and whatnot. I am trying to build this in Pittsburgh, and they are notorious for enforcing outdated code. Luckily, my girlfriend is a bureaucrat and knows all the ins and outs of Pittsburgh building codes.
Posted by jorcheim at 08/27/2007 @ 9:05pm
i bet this isn't a B-52 the senator would vote to fund:
You're living in your own Private Idaho,
where do I go from here to a better state than this.
Well, don't be blind to the big surprise
swimming round and round like the deadly hand
of a radium clock, at the bottom, of the pool.
I-I-I-daho
I-I-I-daho
Woah oh oh woah oh oh woah oh oh
Ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah
Get out of that state
Get out of that state
You're living in your own Private Idaho,
livin in your own Private.... Idaho
BTW max roach r.i.p.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 9:07pm
Max Roach... the Jimi Hendrix of drumming. He will sorely be missed.
Posted by jorcheim at 08/27/2007 @ 9:11pm
Posted by JORCHEIM 08/27/2007 @ 8:16pm
Was referring to some "Inconvenient Truth" about a former Vice-President!
Posted by Mask at 08/27/2007 @ 10:27pm
MASK:
Ah, gotcha. Yeah, I'm not a fan of Gore, and never have been. He neglects to mention he's backed by the nuclear lobby. That's a big turn-off for me.
Posted by jorcheim at 08/27/2007 @ 10:30pm
Plenty of hypocirsy on all sides, yet all sides rarely see their[s] [own].
Posted by MASK 08/27/2007 @ 8:00pm
good one, MASCARPONE (not that you're cheesy or anything ;ø)
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 10:32pm
When somebody actually does the 'man thing' and owns up to all the maggots in the steak but no steak baloney I won't feel ridiculouly violated myself as a lifelong registered Democrat. I wouldn't care if he's from Mars (he's from Idaho as it is) but since my folks live in Canyon County it gets to be a pain. Honestly if you need to out him that badly, take him to Burning Man and feather him. The smell of overcooked morons make me queasy.
Posted by sureokay at 08/27/2007 @ 10:42pm
Posted by JORCHEIM 08/27/2007 @ 9:05pm
brother, i'm renting now 'cause we're paying for my wife's university (yes, in canada, it can be done on a musician's wage).
pennsylvania is beautiful [dcnr.state.pa.us]
BTW from the link (scroll down to "Park Advisories") i see that "the emerald ash borer" has reached pennsylvania (too many dang letters)--another one of the benefits of "made in china"
BTW BTW not to get offer (more off) topic but i suggest all global-climate f*@k up nay-sayers read about the mountain pine beetle [en.wikipedia.org]. my brother is a lumberjack in B.C. and tells me that the devastation is quite extensive. if the beetle crosses the rockies, we stand to lose all pine trees in north america.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 11:07pm
Where have all the honest politicians gone? Fishing?
Posted by RIO BRAVO 08/27/2007 @ 10:48pm
were they ever here?
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/27/2007 @ 11:10pm
FROSTY ZOOM:
What do you play?
Posted by jorcheim at 08/27/2007 @ 11:17pm
Posted by JORCHEIM 08/27/2007 @ 11:17pm
besides the fool?.....
guitar and bass and (learnin' banjo--just like dad)
*This fellow is wise enough to play the fool;
And do that well craves a kind of wit.
He must observe their mood on whom he jests,
The quality of persons, and the time,
And, like the haggard, check at every feather
That comes before is eye. This is a practice
As full of labour as a wise man's art.
For folly that he wisely shows is fit;
But wise men, folly-fallen, quite taint in their wit.
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/28/2007 @ 12:40am
I wonder why Barney Frank hasn't come forward to defend him, whether he is gay or not..he should understand at having the press and the public know Barney was running a gay brothel in his own house..and didn't know it, of course...and he gets a pass and re election without any articles here ....Barney should be able to advise the good Senator on how to make it all go away and show him how this is a plus for him to use to get re elected..
Posted by john maasch at 08/28/2007 @ 08:54am
Posted by JOHN MAASCH
"This story would not matter if Craig had never used his position to advance the Republican Party's officially homophobic agenda. But he has. Over and over. In November, 2006, Craig flamboyantly endorsed Idaho's successful anti-gay constitutional amendment, HJR 2, which banned gay marriage, civil unions and domestic partnerships in his state. Pam Spaulding has more background on Craig's anti-gay voting record here. It's also worth recalling Craig's 1999 interview with Tim Russert in which he mocked Bill Clinton as a "naughty boy" for his affair with Monica Lewinsky."
Posted by mtspence05 at 08/28/2007 @ 09:58am
Gay Blogs have been reporting for years that Craig has been seen engaging in bathroom sex on many occassions. And for years Craig has adamently denied these "rumors". I'm not much for coincidences when it comes to situations like this. Preachers always get caught with thier pants down. My only suggestion is for people to stop preaching and start living the example they want to see in others. Hypocarcy is the ultimate sin.
Posted by MichaelDavid at 08/28/2007 @ 10:16am
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 08/28/2007 @ 08:54am
Honesty would be a start. Of course, Craig has already blown that one, so I am not sure what Frank could tell him that would be of any use.
Posted by Hman23 at 08/28/2007 @ 10:20am
Of course, Maasch responds in knee-jerk fashion with a reference to Barney Frank. You guys are so predictable.
Posted by Hman23 at 08/28/2007 @ 10:21am
Also, Barney Franks indiscretion was over 20 years ago. The issue here isnt how many Republicans vs Democrats are involved in "affairs" (sexual, legal, fraud, ect), its that Republicans continuosly cram thier "Family Values" down our throats. Franks has NEVER said that people should not have sex (private or public). Franks has never endorsed a bill that prohibited sex (private of public). Its the Hypocracy that is at issue here. Republicans need to clean out thier own closets before they try to clean out everyone elses. And trust me, they will never be able to clean up thier own closets, because, as they are learning he hard way, we are all human, and we all make mistakes. Just let me make my own mistakes as long as it doesnt prohibit anyone else from making thier own mistake. Live and let live.
Posted by MichaelDavid at 08/28/2007 @ 10:23am
Hey, HMAN....ask your opinion of something....
What if Larry Craig was throwing around terms like "fag", "fruit", or "mary" for his political opponents and when called on it, said
"I'm not all that concerned with the speech police. And fruit is not something I would call a gay man. Fruit, faggot, butt pirate, sucker of cocks--these are epiteths for people like you."?
Would you buy that as an excuse? What if it was a self-described "progressive"?
Posted by Mask at 08/28/2007 @ 10:26am
Also worth noting, from Kane and Murray's report on the incident at WaPo:
"While he was being interviewed about the incident, Craig gave police a business card showing that he is a U.S. senator. "What do you think about that?" Craig asked the officer, according to the report obtained by Roll Call."
Ciao, AG
Posted by gharib at 08/28/2007 @ 10:48am
!!??June??!! Why did the story break only yesterday if he'd been arrested in JUNE?! Who was responsible for bottling up this scoop?
Posted by jgmurphy at 08/28/2007 @ 11:09am
Would you buy that as an excuse? What if it was a self-described "progressive"?
Posted by MASK
Give him the full quote, mary:
"Says you. I'm not all that concerned with the speech police....And fruit is not something I would call a gay man. Fruit, faggot, butt pirate, sucker of cocks--these are epiteths for people like you. You intentionally distort, fabricate, play little games that are not characteristic of what I consider a man."----Posted by MTSPENCE05 05/25/2007 @ 11:16am
And then direct him to the little stunt you tried to pull yesterday, attempting to quote words from me that I never posted.
Such a little cry baby, mary. It's embarrassing to read.
Posted by mtspence05 at 08/28/2007 @ 11:09am
Reply to Maasch:
I guess we are not as upset about Barney Frank since Frank does not run around the country peering into other people's bedrooms and passing judgment on what he finds. D'oh---don't you get the difference???
Posted by jgmurphy at 08/28/2007 @ 11:11am
Such a little cry baby, mary. It's embarrassing to read.----Posted by MTSPENCE05 08/28/2007 @ 11:09am
Yeah, opposing homophobia is such a "little cry baby" thing to do, Empty.
my bad
Posted by Mask at 08/28/2007 @ 12:41pm
Posted by MARY
It's not "homophobia" bitch boy. It's ridiculing a lying, weasel, scumbag. Yet you, being the lying, weasel, scumbag that you are continue to attempt to characterize this as some sort of anti-gay thing. Grow a pair, mary.
Posted by mtspence05 at 08/28/2007 @ 12:50pm
Posted by MTSPENCE05 08/28/2007 @ 12:50pm
See, "lying weasel", "scumbag"...nothing bigoted about those ('cept to poor weasels), nobody would have a problem with those, but...
"bitch boy"? Tell us, Empty, where does that term come from? And why do you feel it a useful pejorative for your lexicon?
Posted by Mask at 08/28/2007 @ 1:00pm
Posted by MASK
Oh, I see, I can only use words that mary approves of.
You're a bitch. Deal with it.
Posted by mtspence05 at 08/28/2007 @ 1:02pm
nothing bigoted about those
Posted by MARY
And who are you to decide what is bigoted, acceptable, or anything else? You have demonstrated time and time again that you are dishonest, in no way above fabricating. You conduct yourself like some petulant little girl. Now please quit the whining, it's nauseating.
Posted by mtspence05 at 08/28/2007 @ 1:05pm
two words: famous potatoes.
Posted by Stevorama at 08/28/2007 @ 1:25pm
I am not surprised at the lewdness and hypocrisy of this man. After all he is a republican...the party scam artists, criminals and hypocrites.
Posted by kevin99999 at 08/28/2007 @ 1:31pm
Hasn't Larry Craig ever heard of the Mile High Club?
Posted by habiba at 08/28/2007 @ 1:34pm
Larry should have told the cop "Sorry, I thought it was David Dreier in the next stall."
Posted by Stevorama at 08/28/2007 @ 1:35pm
Posted by MTSPENCE05 08/28/2007 @ 1:05pm
You're right, Empty.....using terms like "fag", "fruit", and "mary"....merely a matter of opinion as to whether they are homophobic or not.
Me and CKA2ND just have a different view from yours. Maybe everybody else thinks it's okey-dokey.
Posted by Mask at 08/28/2007 @ 2:18pm
Haman,
"Of course, Maasch responds in knee-jerk fashion with a reference to Barney Frank. You guys are so predictable.
Posted by HMAN23 08/28/2007 @ 10:21am
What if he just plead guilty to get it ovr with after a promise that it would never be made public and in fact, he is not gay? Just a thought..
I have to believe many people plead out of things they didn't do to avoid the expenses(legal fees, sorry) and the crap that goes along with the trials..
Just as OJs not guilty verdict doesn't mean he is innocennt, the opposite view could also be true.
Posted by john maasch at 08/28/2007 @ 3:09pm
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 08/28/2007 @ 3:09pm
john, if YOU were arrested under similar circumstances , would you plead guilty if you were sure of your innocence?
i know i wouldn't.
a senator (he's got cash) can afford good lawyers. this dude just wanted to hush this all up good and fast.
BTW i imagine all this attention from the "liberal" media might have been caused by actions such as these (from wiki):
"Senator Craig supports the Federal Marriage Amendment, voting for cloture on the amendment in both 2004 and 2006. He voted against cloture on a bill in 2002 which would have extended the federal definition of hate crimes to cover sexual orientation.[15]"
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/28/2007 @ 3:59pm
I'm with Mask on this one MT.
"Fruit, faggot, butt pirate, sucker of cocks"
Not sure I really see the connection to one who "intentionally distort, fabricate, play little games .."
Apparantly, MT, you do not think a gay man is a man (" . . . that are not characteristic of what I consider a man."). You can write what you want, but tossing around those insults makes you look pretty juvenile, in my opinion.
Posted by Hman23 at 08/28/2007 @ 4:48pm
What if he just plead guilty to get it ovr with
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 08/28/2007 @ 3:09pm
I wonder, do you feel the same way about Clinton agreeing to suspend his license to practice law in connection with the Lewinsky scandal?
Posted by Hman23 at 08/28/2007 @ 4:50pm
have to believe many people plead out of things they didn't do to avoid the expenses(legal fees, sorry) and the crap that goes along with the trials..
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 08/28/2007 @ 3:09pm
Not in this case, John. He is a US Senator for cryin' out loud! Pretty big reason TO clear his name. And I am sure he has some access to some pretty good counsel.
Posted by Hman23 at 08/28/2007 @ 4:53pm
You can write what you want, but tossing around those insults makes you look pretty juvenile, in my opinion.
Posted by HMAN23
Damn! How will I manage to sleep tonight?
Posted by mtspence05 at 08/28/2007 @ 5:34pm
Posted by MTSPENCE05 08/28/2007 @ 5:34pm
You can say what you want MT, and you may think that language matters little, but nobody is going to take you seriously with the way you come across.
Posted by Hman23 at 08/28/2007 @ 5:43pm
You can say what you want MT, and you may think that language matters little, but nobody is going to take you seriously with the way you come across.
Posted by HMAN23
Oh no, I'm really gonna be up all night now. Damn, what will I do?
Posted by mtspence05 at 08/28/2007 @ 5:54pm
Maybe I can borrow some Ambien from my brother.
Posted by mtspence05 at 08/28/2007 @ 6:29pm
Don't take too many, MT, we certainly wouldn't want you sleepwalking into the highway now.
Posted by Hman23 at 08/28/2007 @ 6:34pm
Larry Craig is going to HELL. Larry Craig will be taken by Jesus Christ, and cast INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. THERE HE WILL BE BURNED ALIVE FOR ETERNITY. For being such an un-romantic lover.
Republicans are lousy lovers, as we all recall from the REPUBLICAN SENATOR VICK thread. The ones who are straight, they pick these Conservative wives who are boring to begin with, and then they proceed to repress whatever trace of sensuality the poor thing still had in her, then they blame her. Buy prostitutes. Try to pick up men in the bathroom.
Jesus was about picking men up on the beach. "Fishing for men" There's something romantic about the beach.
What the Hell is wrong with Republican so-called "Men".
Posted by conshame at 08/28/2007 @ 7:05pm
So you have Republican Senator Vick, big, powerful US Senator, resorting to prostitution. His poor Conservative wife has no sensuality left after marrying him, she might as well be a bread box with a leopard skin towel draped over it.
And this Guy Republican Senator Larry Craig. DON'T ANY OF YOU REPUBLICANS DARE EVER MESS WITH ME IN A RESTROOM. Hey, I am not prejudiced, it's just that, in a restroom, keep your disgusting Republican feet THE HELL AWAY FROM ME. I don't want you Republicans rubbing your leg against me, like Larry Craig.
HAVEN'T YOU REPUBLICAN SO CALLED "MEN" ever heard of poetry. Why not recite a nice Gay poem. Ever heard of flowers? Flowers are very romantic. Gay men will probably cream themself, you Republicans should just try giving a man a nice flower.
Posted by conshame at 08/28/2007 @ 7:12pm
That other Republican too, what's his name, the other Republican?
Offering $20 to stick his Conservative Member in a black man's mouth? What is with the INSULTINGLY LOW RACIST PRICE????
IS A BLACK MAN SUPPOSED TO BE CHEAP OR SOMETHING????
$20???? 20 DOLLARS? THAT'S SLAVE WAGES!!!!
$20??? Oh, I got it wrong. The Republican offered $20 for the Black Man to put his Member in the his Conservative Mouth. Oh.
That is still such an insultingly low price as to be RACIST. These ain't the slave days, white person.
Posted by conshame at 08/28/2007 @ 7:16pm
Republican wives, I don't feel sorry for them. They get what they deserve for servicing America's enemies.
How'd you like to be the wife of Larry Craig????
Republican children, I feel sorry for them. Growing up in "families" like Republican Senator Larry Craig, Republican Senator Vick, the other guy - the $20 guy...
Posted by conshame at 08/28/2007 @ 7:19pm
Republicans: DO NOT MESS WITH ME IN THE RESTROOM. I have no problem with you being Gay. BUT, in the restroom, keep your hands and feet to yourselves.
Posted by conshame at 08/28/2007 @ 7:23pm
Bob Allen - that's the other Republican's name. What the Hell kind of racist slave wage offer is God Damnned 20$.
Posted by conshame at 08/28/2007 @ 7:28pm
ALOT OF GAY MEN, are able to keep their hands and feet to themselves, in public restrooms.
I know some men who are gay, and NONE of them would ever act like a Republican Senator from Idaho. NONE of them.
MOST gay men are decent, respectful Americans. MOST gay men are decent, romantic, classy....
Posted by conshame at 08/28/2007 @ 7:33pm
Posted by HMAN23 08/28/2007 @ 6:34pm
Posted a response on "GOP Bathroom Problem", HMAN....explains Empty and his view on using slurs.
Posted by Mask at 08/28/2007 @ 8:04pm
Oh lordy, another Republican sex-capade....and CONSHAME is going all nutty spammy again!
heheh
Posted by Mask at 08/28/2007 @ 8:06pm
I SUPPORT the vast majority of Gay Americans. I CONDEMN the activities Republican Senator Larry Craig. MOST Gay Americans go in the restroom, use the urinal, wash their hands and leave. MOST Gay Americans are decent, classy, romantic. ONLY A TINY FRACTION of Gay Americans, like Republican Senator Larry Craig, are disgusting perverts. Republicans, Americans do not want you people grappling with us in the restroom.
This other Republican, Representative Bob Allen from Florida, asking a Black Man for a lick off his chocolate stick, for $20. Was that $20 Confederate? What a stingy, no-class, racist offer.
Racist Republicans, you don't buy a Black Man for $20. Not today. Maybe in the Racist Confederate South.
Posted by conshame at 08/28/2007 @ 8:22pm
Peter Rothberg, are there no limits for vulgarity on this site?
Posted by LVLIBERTY1 08/28/2007 @ 8:40pm
what the fu.............?
ooooooooooops.
i agree. so many good messages are getting lost in garbled rants about "funk you this", and "you're just another ash-hole"
i guess we just have to police ourselves--you know, free-market style; no "government" intervention here!
Posted by frosty zoom at 08/28/2007 @ 10:19pm
Reply to Maasch:
I guess we are not as upset about Barney Frank since Frank does not run around the country peering into other people's bedrooms and passing judgment on what he finds. D'oh---don't you get the difference???
Posted by JGMURPHY 08/28/2007 @ 11:11am
So a gay whore house is better?
Posted by john maasch at 08/28/2007 @ 11:06pm
"What if he just plead guilty to get it ovr with
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 08/28/2007 @ 3:09pm
I wonder, do you feel the same way about Clinton agreeing to suspend his license to practice law in connection with the Lewinsky scandal?
Posted by HMAN23 08/28/2007 @ 4:50pm
I would if it were not for the tapes and the ever present dress..he copuld really do anything but eat it..
Posted by john maasch at 08/28/2007 @ 11:07pm
Okay, you got to respect the old guy's right to consent sex, with whom ever it is, over 18 years of age. However, the ubiquitous FoxNews and other Gop news outlets, so quick on anything that smells from the Dems, tried hard to miss this news for 3 months. Ah, we won't report this, you judge. Read this news.
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How Did News Outlets Miss Senator's Arrest for Nearly Three Months? By Joe Strupp August 28, 2007 1:38 PM ET
NEW YORK The revelation late Monday that Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) was arrested nearly three months ago for allegedly making sexual advances in a men's room raises the issue of how such an action could occur without the press reporting it.
Even Roll Call reporter John McArdle, who broke the story late Monday, admits he only received word of the arrest and subsequent guilty plea via a tip last week.
"You would think in the 24-hour news cycle, something like this would slip through," said McArdle, a four-year veteran of the Capitol Hill daily. "He wanted to keep it quiet, and he almost got away with it."
Even more surprising is that the unreported arrest occurred at a time when Craig was under scrutiny following previous allegations of gay relationships and sexual advances dating back to late 2006, when a blogger accused Craig of having relationships with men. The conservative senator has long denied the allegations.
Posted by Helen DAO at 08/28/2007 @ 11:15pm
Someone made the astute comment that anyone having any kid of sexual experience in a restroom is sick. Perhaps, but not if you actually like the smell of feces while performing falatio, as apperantly Larry Craig does.
Posted by snapperone at 08/28/2007 @ 11:25pm
LVLIBERT1, the Republican Senators you are defending ARE NOT WORTH IT. What they have done is horrible.
LVLIBERTY1, when I go to the restroom, I do NOT want Republicans trying to play with my foot. Keep your DAMNED feet to yourself, Republican Senator Larry Craig.
Republican Senator Larry Craig is a DIGRACE to Gay Americans. THE VAST MAJORITY OF GAY AMERICANS, go the restroom, piss, wash their hands and leave. MOST Gay Americans do not go into a public restroom and start messing with peoples feet, like Republican Senator Larry Craig.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH Republican Senator Larry Craig BEING GAY.
If Republican Senator Larry Craig wanted to be a good, decent, law-abiding, classy, romantic, Gay American - I have no problem with that. I am not prejudiced. I don't care what Republican so-called "Men" do in their own restrooms. In your own restroom, do whatever you want. BUT, Republicans, STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM ME, when I am trying to take a piss. I DO NOT want Republicans messing with me in the restroom.
Posted by conshame at 08/28/2007 @ 11:59pm
LVLIBERTY1, question: Do you think it is racist, to offer a handsome Black Man, a slave wage (less than $25) - to lick his chocolate stick????
Because I do think it IS RACIST. A Black Man deserves reasonable pay.
BOB ALLEN THE REPUBLICAN OF FLORIDA IS A RACIST. (in my opinion)
What do you think, Lvliberty1?
Posted by conshame at 08/29/2007 @ 12:02am
Are there no limits for vulgarity on this site?
Why can't we talk about some DECENT AMERICANS, Americans with wholesome sex lives -- instead of Republican Perverts getting busted in men's rooms ALL THE TIME????
Posted by conshame at 08/29/2007 @ 12:07am
I CONDEMN Republican Senators.
Posted by conshame at 08/29/2007 @ 12:08am
Bob Allen IS RICH, a big, rich, wealthy Republican. $20. $20. $20. $20 ? ? ?
You Republicans ever heard the Biblical story about Lazarus?
Posted by conshame at 08/29/2007 @ 12:16am
Lazarus was a poor man, lived during the time of Jesus Christ, he starved to death because of an evil rich man, and the evil rich man was burned alive forever. EXACTLY like the story of Bob Allen the Republican from Florida.
Posted by conshame at 08/29/2007 @ 12:22am
Bob Allen the Republican of Florida OWES REPARATIONS TO EVERY Black Man he throated for slave wages. How is a Black Man supposed to live on $20? You don't expect a White Man to make a living off of $20!!!
Posted by conshame at 08/29/2007 @ 12:25am
I DO NOT CARE HOW "GOOD" Bob Allen the Republican of Florida THINKS he is.
Posted by conshame at 08/29/2007 @ 12:26am
Ok, so he probably lied about his sexual orientation and promoted a right-wing agenda which stripped down civil rights while being gay...
The REAL hypocrisy here however is the social and cultural climate in most parts of the USA. A climate where being gay is seen as inferior to being heterosexual or as ethically bad or even sinful - barring anyone with a deviant sexuality from all higher careers. A climate where your sexual orientation and your specific sexual preferences are subject to public scrutiny and even to laws and regulations - and not seen as the most private sphere of your private life!
It is THIS climate which CAUSES all the cases of hypocrisy by different public servants or christian preachers (in the same way the Catholic celibacy causes cases of pedophelia with priests)!!! By it, people with a sexuality deviant to the allowed mainstream are forced into psychological denial. Part of this 'strategy' is to - wrongfully - marry and have a family plus opting for a carreer which is as far away as possible from the sexuality you're running away from. Which leads to unproportional high numbers of people with a deviant sexuality in religious or political offices. The very same restrictive climate leads to the lack or even absence of establishments where sexual minorities can meet and socialize - which in turn leads to public places like in a restroom being misused for private issues.
I'm sorry, but Europeans like myself will just never understand this kind of discriminatory, moralistic climates. Only very few right idiots raised eyebrows when the mayor of Berlin (and possible next chancellor of Germany) announced that he was gay... In fact, in Germany, only neo-nazis discriminate against gays the way the American mainstream does. That the same mainstream is shocked and enraged when incidents like this one happens, is laughable beyond words, as the moralistic, restrictive climate this mainstream created HAS CAUSED THESE INCIDENTS!!!
Posted by elziax at 08/29/2007 @ 07:16am
Don't take too many, MT, we certainly wouldn't want you sleepwalking into the highway now.
Posted by HMAN23
Ooooh, good come back. Now I understand your inability to comprehend this.
Posted by mtspence05 at 08/29/2007 @ 09:37am
ELZIAX, I agree there aren't enough gay bars in Right Wing Republican States - BUT, MOST GAY AMERICANS DO NOT use public restrooms to harass people trying to take a piss.
MOST Gay Americans get dressed up nice, smile, offer a man a nice flower and some poetry, and if he says "No", they just politely move on to the next man. VERY FEW Gay Americans are criminals - like Republican Senator Larry Craig.
Posted by conshame at 08/29/2007 @ 09:51am
Whatever, MT. Forgive the interruption. Continue your constant bickering with Mask and being an irrelevant non-voter.
Posted by Hman23 at 08/29/2007 @ 11:39am
Whatever, MT. Forgive the interruption. Continue your constant bickering with Mask and being an irrelevant non-voter.
Posted by HMAN23
Oh, another one of those, huh?
If you'd bothered to check you would have found that mary pulled the aged post out of his little file; I posted it long ago. Being the little cry baby that he is, he reposted it, along with some incessant whining--whining that fools like you sympathized with.
You two make a good pair. I wish y'all much happiness together.
Posted by mtspence05 at 08/29/2007 @ 1:35pm
Whatever, MT. Forgive the interruption. Continue your constant bickering with Mask and being an irrelevant non-voter.
Posted by HMAN23
And good luck to you with confirming what corporate money has already chosen for you.
Posted by mtspence05 at 08/30/2007 @ 1:22pm