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RedditQUESTION: Do you favor a withdrawal of all United States military from Iraq within the next six months?
ANSWER: Yes 52% No 39% Undecided 9%
No, those are not particularly shocking numbers.
We have known for a long time that Americans favor the rapid withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.
What is interesting about these numbers is who they come from.
The Strategic Vision polling group asked 600 likely Iowa caucus goers the question in a survey conducted March 30-April 1, 2007.
To be more precise, the survey queried 600 likely Republican caucus goers.
George Bush can forget about rallying the nation behind his war.
At this point, Bush can't even rally the most engaged Republicans in the nation behind the continuation of quagmire.
Needless to say, when the president threatens Congress with a veto of an Iraq supplemental spending bill that includes soft benchmarks and a slow timeline for withdrawal, Democratic leaders would be wise to quote from the Bush lexicon: "Bring it on!"
Nothing the Congress is proposing is anywhere near as radical as the position now taken by grassroots Republicans in Iowa.
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The only way out is to take away the President's purse......defund this war now and support our troops.
Posted by jpolston at 04/07/2007 @ 9:55pm
Wow! Even Iowan Repubs are starting to come to their senses. Good for them.
"I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace."
-Bush, June 18, 2002
"War is Peace"
-Big Brother in George Orwell's 1984
Posted by COProgressive at 04/07/2007 @ 10:32pm
This is just more evidence that I need to change my own mind about something. I too was guilty of condemning republicans/conservatives for the utter insanity of this administration.
The more time goes on, the more people I talk to, the more I realize that EVERYONE is sick of this fool. Hopefully the true conservatives can shake of the leeches that advocate empire, religion-run government, huge debt, fat bureaucracy and government intrusions.....oh, and TRAMPLING ON THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!
Will the real conservatives please step forward.
Posted by IndyMinded at 04/07/2007 @ 10:39pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/07/2007 @ 10:29pm
FRANK, go back and look at my posts ANYTIME the war in Iraq has come up....and tell us all how I am somehow in agreement with RIO, MAASCH, ALUDRA, or BARLETT.
And if you can't....you can admit you're a liar.
If you DON'T...you just admitted you're a big liar.
And if you just want to apologize now....I'll drop and say you stepped up and acted like a man with some honor.
Posted by Mask at 04/07/2007 @ 10:40pm
Now...onto my original post...
You just KNOW that LVLIBERTY is going to come up with SOME way to spin this poll to the Bushite favor.
My bet? That'll he say "Oh, but look they want us to WIN and be out in six months!!!!" in this WorldNetDaily poll I got from my Christian Coalition e-mail newsletter!
(FRANK...still waiting)
Posted by Mask at 04/07/2007 @ 10:41pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/07/2007 @ 10:43pm
Sorry FRANK for the confusion...but I'm anti-liberal/progressive/leftist...not "pro-Bush".
Even when HSUB argues for impeachment, I'm not arguing against it because I like Bush (voted for Kerry in '04)...but because it's politically inviable.
As for the war, same reason I voted for Kerry in '04 is the same reason I think NOW ...the war is lost and probably was lost when we took Baghdad. (Almost definitely was lost when that idiot Bremer took charge...and definitely lost in the last 2 years).
Posted by Mask at 04/07/2007 @ 10:47pm
Lynching would be too good for these bastards. Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/07/2007 @ 10:38pm
It's so funny how people feel that impeachment is too extreme. Oh no, we can't do that, it will look like we are just trying to be mean. Give me a f'in break.
If there was any true justice in the world, the whole bunch would be sent to Abu Ghraib to be gaurded by Iraqi soldiers for the rest of their lives. This would be the most humane punishment that I could think of.
I think handing them over to the Iraqi government to stand trail for war crimes would go a long way toward making our country safe again. Much, much, more so than "the surge".
Posted by IndyMinded at 04/07/2007 @ 10:47pm
Oh and just to keep it clear...
I'm pro-choice
pro-gay rights (whole smash, no half-measures)
anti-Drug War
anti-torture bill (even when DEMOCRATS support it...like Sherrod Brown)
anti-Bush going against the Constitution (NSA, habeus, etc)
and think the Religious Right leadership are 90% hucksters and nuts.
But I think a lot of the Hard Left is too!
Posted by Mask at 04/07/2007 @ 10:50pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/07/2007 @ 10:49pm
I hope you are right. Not because I particularly like democrats, liberals, or progressives; but because I love this country and want to see it back on track.
If the above named group could get some balls, it would be a very fun race for the presidency.
Posted by IndyMinded at 04/07/2007 @ 10:53pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/07/2007 @ 10:51pm
I'll bet thats a nightly ritual in the oval office. They also like to throw stacks of thousand dollar bills at each other, cover themselves in light sweet crude and whip each other with copies of the bill of rights.
Posted by IndyMinded at 04/07/2007 @ 10:57pm
Earth to RIO, on my list of things that I care about, money is much lower than whether or not my government is commiting murder, rape, torture, or war; lower than the importance of following international laws and violating the constitution.
How much more have these things cost each of us compared to $1800?
Posted by IndyMinded at 04/07/2007 @ 11:27pm
can you just see ole Jesus and the boys campin' out with cute Mary of M. and smokin' dope and coming up with all those wild stories the nuns tried to make us believe when we were kids. People turning to salt, old geezers parting oceans and virgins having babies. But it's a sin to masturbate. This is a really weird religion.
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/07/2007 @ 11:05pm | ignore this person
....my family is celebrating Easter with an easter egg hunt for all the little ones. Got to get up early and help hide the eggs. Later all.
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/07/2007 @ 11:20pm | ignore this person
HAPPY Exhibit I: Classic symptoms of a severe case of split-personality!
Test Question: Which FRANK will get up early in the morning to perpetuate wild stories about the meaning of Easter and of course, the Easter Bunny? The 11:05 PM one or the 11:20 PM one?
Posted by Happy at 04/08/2007 @ 12:11am
Mr. Nichols,
You are withut a doubt, the looniest writer on The Nation! You are so gullible and `square' in your fantasy world that is truly beyond my belief....trouble is, you seem to dominate the blog posts....
Like a lot of non-neocon Repubs, strict isolationists and political Indies, on a straightforward question as posed by the polling firm, I would even answer "Yes".....but not just to Iraq!! I would say our "Yes" would easily extend to at least half of all nations where our military are stationed. Examples:
- Any country in the European Union (which today, has a stock market capitaliation ~equal to ours....they are adults now and it's time to let them stand on their own)
- Korea (China's problem after we let the deserving Japanese have nukes too)
- Saudi Arabia (Europe & Asia import the bulk of its oil, not us!)
For the poll you cited to have any meaningful discourse, the question should have been followed by scenarios A), B), C), etc.... and with separate "Yes" or "No" answers for each scenario!
Most of you with `soft' degrees in journalism, poli-sci, econ., lit., language arts, etc. are so simplistic-minded that you are truly sheeps susceptible to Demi-Sheeps like Gore, Sheehan, Moore, Murtha....
Posted by Happy at 04/08/2007 @ 12:35am
Well, I for one am glad dubya doesn't conduct his policy by polling, unlike the previous occupant of the White House............But the war isn't really lost yet, now is it?
Course, those stories about Mookie Al-Sadr running off to Iran like a woman might be propaganda, as well as those stories of Sunnis turning against Al-Queda in Anbar.......
On the other hand, maybe they're not..............
That would be, well, inconvenient for all those pronouncing America's defeat in Iraq, wouldn't it? Stay tuned, the surge is just getting started..........And Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid won't do a damn thing to stop it, now will they? (heh,heh)
Posted by davebarlett at 04/08/2007 @ 12:42am
RIO, ever hear of posting a link?
Posted by davebarlett at 04/08/2007 @ 12:50am
I think since RIO knows nobody would follow the link since it would lead directly to rushlimbaugh.com
Posted by JasonLitz at 04/08/2007 @ 03:34am
I must take umbrage at your rather harsh criticism of our prompting writer, John Nichols, Happy. If more journalists were as articulate and materially unaffiliated with "the powers that be," our "4th estate" would be conducting its "watch dog" function in an effective manner; unlike now with the "dumbing down" of America the only "mission accomplished" I see resulting from our oligarchical kleptocracy.
Posted by lewwelge at 04/08/2007 @ 07:13am
"unlike now with the "dumbing down" of America the
But the dumbing down of America starts in our schools and seems to be a high point at the University level...thats where our journalists hone their skills....may be we should ask our profs some real questions...like.."WTF are you teaching?"...
Posted by john maasch at 04/08/2007 @ 07:49am
Most of you with `soft' degrees in journalism, poli-sci, econ., lit., language arts, etc. are so simplistic-minded that you are truly sheeps susceptible to Demi-Sheeps like Gore, Sheehan, Moore, Murtha....
Posted by HAPPY 04/08/2007 @ 12:35am | ignore this person
Wondering Happy if you include your god GWB in those "sheep with 'soft' sheepskins? Who is he lead by?
From Wiki:
Bush attended Phillips Academy in Andover, Massachusetts. Bush played baseball there, but "mostly made his mark as a cheerleader for the teams".[7] Following in his father's footsteps, was accepted into Yale University, where he received a Bachelor of Arts degree in history in 1968. At the same time, he worked in various Republican campaigns, including his father's 1964 and 1970 Senate campaigns in Texas. As a college senior, Bush became a member of the secretive Skull and Bones society. By his own characterization, Bush was an average student.[8]
Posted by OneVote at 04/08/2007 @ 07:50am
Oh my God!! I just has a visual of Dubya, Cheney, Rove, Wolfie, Dickie Pearle, Condi and Rummy doing a naked paramid.
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/07/2007 @ 10:51pm
Hopefully you were standing to the side; either way, the frontal or the rear view is too hideous to contemplate.
Posted by skeletonman at 04/08/2007 @ 07:56am
But the dumbing down of America starts in our schools and seems to be a high point at the University level...thats where our journalists hone their skills....may be we should ask our profs some real questions...like.."WTF are you teaching?"...
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 04/08/2007 @ 07:49am | ignore this person
Ah....maybe our corporate advertising and marketing firms trying to appeal to the "mass market" may have a role in this as well? Ah...maybe our news media oligarchy which relies on corporate advertising may have something to do with "non-offensive" and "stupid" reporting?
I think alot of journalists would like to do more meaningful reporting, but their editors are never going to give them the chance. Thank your corporate culture whose focus is on mass consumption rather than dissemination of useful information before you blame our schools.
Posted by OneVote at 04/08/2007 @ 08:02am
Posted by DAVEBARLETT 04/08/2007 @ 12:42am
Easter bunny will be around to lay some eggs soon. Then it will be time for more fantasies about Iraq.
Posted by crabwalk at 04/08/2007 @ 09:22am
Who's got your back? Flash from the past that shows the astute leadership of the worst POTUS ever. The POTUS that cannot win a war against a third world nation. He cannot defeat the Taliban, a few thousand strong.
"Alarmed about the raft of allegations, several White House aides tried to raise red flags. But the normal investigation process was short-circuited, the sources said. Bush's top lawyer, Alberto R. Gonzales, took charge of the vetting, repeatedly grilling Kerik about the issues that had been raised. In the end, despite the concerns, the White House moved forward with his nomination -- only to have it collapse a week later."
"A reconstruction of the failed nomination, assembled through interviews with key players, provides new details and a fuller account of the episode -- how Giuliani put forward a flawed candidate for high office, how Bush rushed the usual process in his eagerness to install a political ally and how Gonzales, as White House counsel, failed to stop the nomination despite the many warning signs. "The vetting process clearly broke down," said a senior White House official. "This should not happen."
Federal prosecutors have told Kerik that they are likely to charge him with several felonies, including providing false information to the government when Bush nominated him, sources have told The Washington Post"
the last 4 years in a nutshell;" Aides said they now believe they were lulled by Kerik's swaggering Sept. 11 reputation, and were too passive in accommodating the president's desire for secrecy and speed and too willing to trust Giuliani's judgment."
Posted by crabwalk at 04/08/2007 @ 09:30am
Kerik's tenure in Iraq generated strong criticism of his management. Iraqi officials complained to U.S. authorities about $1.2 billion Kerik spent to train Iraqi police officers in Jordan, spending they called wasteful. Iraqis also questioned why Kerik spent tens of millions of dollars to buy weapons for Iraqi trainees when the U.S. military had confiscated plenty of such weapons after the invasion.
1,200,000,000??? so much for fiscal responsibility. Good thing that money wasn't wasted on welfare mothers and their kids.
Watch as the cons sing songs of guvt waste, evil guvt. Then watch and listen as they defend the most wasteful admin ever!!
Posted by crabwalk at 04/08/2007 @ 09:33am
DAVE, HAPPY, RIO
We lost the Iraq war the very moment it started.
All of your tough-man posturing is comical at best. This is the real world, not a comic book. In the real world there are consequences.
It's a very bad thing to screw with someone who has nothing to lose. We have screwed with people in the Middle East for a very long time, causing death, misery, and humiliation. It is not possible to "conquer" hate with force.
Get it through your fat heads. You cannot win a "war on terror". Violence creates more violence. Do you actually think for one second that American troops kicking down the doors of Iraqis, collateral death of innocent people, kidnapping, torture, humiliation and dehumanization will STOP them from hating us?
Fact: More innocent Iraqi people have died by FAR than have Americans. We have and continue to violate international laws like we accused them of doing. We are using torture even though it is illegal, it does not work, and it exposes our troops to danger. Bush has and is breaking the law.
Fact: We are now less safe, more broke, less ready, less free, more hated, and appear vulnerable to every nutcase out there.
Now, try to deny any of the above facts without using some form of liberal/democrat/lefty smear if you can.
Posted by IndyMinded at 04/08/2007 @ 09:33am
Watch as the cons sing songs of guvt waste, evil guvt. Then watch and listen as they defend the most wasteful admin ever!! Posted by CRABWALK 04/08/2007 @ 09:33am
So right Crab, its so obvious once you extract yourself from allegiance with one particular party or the other and look at facts, not what someone ELSE wants you to see. Damn these people are stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by IndyMinded at 04/08/2007 @ 09:39am
Posted by RIO BRAVO 04/08/2007 @ 12:00am
How do blind sheep keep from bumping into things? They must just stand and bleat nonsense.
Posted by crabwalk at 04/08/2007 @ 09:44am
Federal prosecutors have told Kerik that they are likely to charge him with several felonies, including providing false information to the government when Bush nominated him, sources have told The Washington Post"
the last 4 years in a nutshell;" Aides said they now believe they were lulled by Kerik's swaggering Sept. 11 reputation, and were too passive in accommodating the president's desire for secrecy and speed and too willing to trust Giuliani's judgment."
Posted by CRABWALK 04/08/2007 @ 09:30am | ignore this person
Crab...don't forget felonious conduct is a plus on the resume of Bush appointments.
Posted by OneVote at 04/08/2007 @ 09:48am
By Glenn Kessler Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, April 8, 2007; Page A15
The United States did not act to prevent a recent shipment of arms from North Korea to Ethiopia, even though sketchy intelligence indicated the delivery might violate a U.N. Security Council resolution restricting North Korean arms sales, Bush administration officials said yesterday.
State Department spokesman Sean McCormack declined to comment on the report but said, "We are deeply committed to upholding and enforcing U.N. Security Council resolutions."
unless it involves Israel or arms shipments to anybody or means we have to obey said resolutions that read "The council shall remain ceased of the matter". Unless it means upholding our internationally agreed upon treaty to not invade unless we are invaded or under imminent threat of attack. Then we are not so committed to the UN.
Posted by crabwalk at 04/08/2007 @ 09:49am
Posted by ONEVOTE 04/08/2007 @ 09:48am
It's a BIIIIIG Tent.
On the prison grounds.
Posted by crabwalk at 04/08/2007 @ 09:51am
War is peace,
Grrrr, kill, jump up and down on the table yellin "Kill, Kill, I wanna kill, dead burnt bodies in my teeth".
Posted by crabwalk at 04/08/2007 @ 09:54am
Posted by COPROGRESSIVE 04/07/2007 @ 10:32pm | ignore this person
Bush, "we're going to war to keep the peace".
we are fighting against both sides in the Iraqi civil war. can anyone tell me how it is possible to win? hint: both sides are terrorists, as are we.
Posted by johannesrolf at 04/08/2007 @ 10:00am
This war cannot be stopped by defunding it.
Congress is powerless to withold the funding, because the funds to pay for it were stolen prior to 9/11.
I'm not making this up - it's a fact admitted to by Rumsfeld on September 10, 2001, in a press conference - where he admitted that his comptroller (Israeli Agent Dov Zakheim) managed to misplace $2.3 TRILLION.
That's enough to fund an entire coup - which we are presently in the midst of.
Short of arresting Cheney, Bush and the rest of these traitors, all of the mechinations of Congress are pure theater, and all of them know it.
They're all under the control of David Rockefeller - and they're all subject to blackmail.
Bush Senior works for David Rockefeller, and Cheney works for Senior. Senior literally owns and controls the CIA. At the top of the conspiracy, Queen Beatrix of the Hague - the largest shareholder of Royal Dutch Shell.
You think the price of oil is up by accident?
The invasion of Iraq was designed to DECREASE output, and Iran is next. Turning oil into gold, that's what this is all about for the oil barrons - all while Israel creates Eretz Israel to fulfill its own territorial aspirations.
Israel is now blackmailing the administration, and will ultimately control everything.
Posted by plunger at 04/08/2007 @ 10:02am
Grrrr, kill, jump up and down on the table yellin "Kill, Kill, I wanna kill, dead burnt bodies in my teeth".
Posted by CRABWALK 04/08/2007 @ 09:54am | ignore this person
ah, Alice's Restaurant and that wonderful Arlo. I remember when the only place you could hear that song was Bob Fass' radio show on WBAI which was on after midnight. he played the entire song every night, for his delighted audience.
Posted by johannesrolf at 04/08/2007 @ 10:26am
can anyone tell me how it is possible to win?
Committed to be resolved. That is all we need. That, unlimited money and people that still think Al Qaida had operational links with Saddam.
(Huckabee is making sense about republican hypocrisy over personal behavior on MTP. He is doomed)
Posted by crabwalk at 04/08/2007 @ 10:33am
"You know, when I campaigned in 2000 I said, I want to be a war president. No one wants to be a war president, But I am one" --10/26/06 President Chimpy McFlightsuit.
Posted by crabwalk at 04/08/2007 @ 10:42am
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/040607D.shtml
Krugman debunks USC1.
Posted by crabwalk at 04/08/2007 @ 10:50am
Fact: We are now less safe, more broke, less ready, less free, more hated, and appear vulnerable to every nutcase out there.
Now, try to deny any of the above facts without using some form of liberal/democrat/lefty smear if you can.
Posted by INDYMINDED
So, Indy, were there some attacks we missed on the evening news since 9/11/01? Guess you just can't bring yourself to admit that the US is safer, more ready and experienced in fighting our enemies worldwide, Stronger economically and militarily (Now that the world knows that America and it's allies, unlike France and Germany, will fight if provoked) And, if not loved, at least respected in leadership circles, if not intellectual ones...I for one am OK with that....
Only a spineless jellyfish like you or crabby could lose sleep worrying about why they hate us....., or how terrorists are denied their Geneva convention rights...Fuck them, and you if you don't like it...Arabs in particular respect strength and courage, and spit on weaklings who seek love and understanding from their enemies......People like you, Indy...
Lucky you have good men and women carrying rifles to protect your free speech, because you probably wouldn't fight to protect your own home and family, much less someone elses..........
Posted by davebarlett at 04/08/2007 @ 11:53am
Now put that in your bong and smoke it
Posted by davebarlett at 04/08/2007 @ 11:53am
Dave Barlett-If you'd keep up with the news you'd discover that no terrorists have wanted to do any more attacks on US soil since 9/11 except for,possibly,the one group in England who didn't even have passports.Bushco haven't uncovered one real plot, yet.Bush has done nothing to make us safer.The troops fighting in Iraq aren't fighting for our safety or freedoms since Saddam was a threat to neither.The world does not now know that we'll fight if provoked considering that Saddam didn't provoke us so your false bravado is just that.The people who organized the attack against us are running around laughing at you 6 years after the attack.We are not safer.
Posted by i'm nobody at 04/08/2007 @ 12:03pm
DaveBarlett-If we had to rely on most young Republicans to protect our freedoms we wouldn't have any since these cowards won't fight for anything including their own families.Guess they followed the example of Bush/Cheney.
Posted by i'm nobody at 04/08/2007 @ 12:06pm
....You cannot win a "war on terror".....
Fact: More innocent Iraqi people have died by FAR than have Americans.....exposes our troops to danger....
Fact: We are now less safe, more broke,....
Now, try to deny any of the above facts......
Posted by INDYMINDED 04/08/2007 @ 09:33am | ignore this person
On a black-white basis, I agree that the war on terror can not be won IF you define winning as the absolute certainty of no more terror strikes in the US or allied countries! But you also must agree that the wars on crime, disease, illiteracy, obesity and just about anything else, can NOT be won....but shouldn't we do our best to contain or hopefully, reduce their scopes?
I also agree with your FACT more innocent Iraquis have died than Americans. But you also have to acknowledge that in all armed conflicts, civilian deaths far exceed that of combattants...so, how is your FACT relevant to a satisfactory resolution to Iraq? Do you seriously think Iraquis will stop dying after we withdrawl on your timetable(s)?
I do NOT agree with the last `FACT(s)' quoted above! I know for an absolute FACT the Inconvenient Truth of the US NOT having been attacked on our soil since 9/11/01. I also believe our nation's security services have sidetracked many more attempts than the few that have been disclosed....furthermore, the West is now taking radical Islam far more seriously (post-London & Madrid subways, etc...) and I buy into the saying "acknowledging the problem is one-half of the solution".
We are "more broke"......Not So! Go Google "national networth" and see what you get....Most recently, it was something north of $53 Trillion, an all-time high! Do we have an all-time high in debts, sure, part of Finance 101.....called "leverage"! I owe far more on my mortgage today than my first home....far bigger car note than my first post-college car....so what? Don't you? The higher up we climb on the socioeconomic scale, the more we borrow, NOT less! Study up on DEBT/EQUITY RATIOS and use of LEVERAGE which boiled is in essence, what an MBA degree entails.
God Bless America! Happy Easter!
Posted by Happy at 04/08/2007 @ 12:14pm
Sure, the terrorists just unilaterally cease fired after 9/11...is that the new progressive spin? Laughable. Or maybe many of them are dead, or hiding in a cave in Waziristan.....I guarantee they ain't laughing.......Nor are they attacking America......They know where thay can go to fight Americans, though, and that's Iraq.......
I saw a story about 4 young idealist palestineans from Lebanon who went to Iraq to fight the Americans...They're home now, but one is minus his legs...Many others won't come home at all.....That's the story being written in Iraq, and eventually, the entire Islamic world will be touched by it......
Posted by davebarlett at 04/08/2007 @ 12:15pm
(Now that the world knows that America and it's allies, unlike France and Germany, will fight if provoked)
yeah right. attack the country that didn't attack us, would not attack us and could not attack us. that has made us the darling of the world, they are all ready to throw flowers. you are a braindead individual, and your absurd lies no longer serve even as entertainment. send your son to the death maw of Iraq, why don't you?
Posted by johannesrolf at 04/08/2007 @ 12:15pm
JR, you're back...I rememember now why I didn't miss you
Posted by davebarlett at 04/08/2007 @ 12:20pm
Dave Barlett-I noticed you have no facts showing any plots.I knew you wouldn't have any since there haven't been any plots.Bush is doing what the terrorists want him to do so there is no need to attack here.He has us bogged down in a war just like they wanted and Bush gave them the Islamic republic ruled by sharia law in Iraq just as they wanted.Yes,they are sitting in Pakistan laughing at you and making new plans 6 years after 9/11.Who wouldn't be laughing at the US for it's inability to bring these people to justice 6 years later.
Posted by i'm nobody at 04/08/2007 @ 12:21pm
JR, you're getting cabin fever again.......
Posted by davebarlett at 04/08/2007 @ 12:22pm
I'm Nobody, yeah, we're all just pawns in the matrix........
Posted by davebarlett at 04/08/2007 @ 12:24pm
DaveBarlett-The liberal Roosevelt had the people who attacked us in Pearl Harbor defeated in 4 years.Bush is still looking for Osama 6 years later.Tell us again how conservatives keep us safer and will fight when provoked.
Posted by i'm nobody at 04/08/2007 @ 12:26pm
Dave-If you guys knew that Arabs don't respect weaklings then why did you vote for Bush/Cheney?
Posted by i'm nobody at 04/08/2007 @ 12:35pm
Posted by DAVEBARLETT 04/08/2007 @ 12:22pm | ignore this person
you are foaming at the mouth. here's an idea, by all indications, mindlessly repeating Bush slogans, seem to indicate that you are a youngster. the age for admission to the US army has been raised to 42. why don't you go over there, oh brave warrior?
I just love the keyboard warriors. they were not attacked on 9/11, I was, and have paid no price for the death and disaster that is the occupation of Iraq. no matter, the winds of change are blowing and they will be blown away like so much chaff.
Posted by johannesrolf at 04/08/2007 @ 12:35pm
Wondering Happy if you include your god GWB in those "sheep with 'soft' sheepskins.....
.....Yale University, where he received a Bachelor of Arts degree in history.....
Posted by ONEVOTE 04/08/2007 @ 07:50am | ignore this person
Bush's getting a history degree is understandable since he comes from a political family. His being an average student (but superior to Kerry) says little! Bill Gates & Michael Dell both dropped out of college....now both are among the top Billionairs and philanthropists! My older son is a slightly above `average (college) student' but ranks in the top 2% on the SAT and is far smarter than his HAPPY father!
Surely you didn't purposely leave out the FACT that he also holds an MBA.....lots of number crunching and complex algebraic equations in subjects like operations research.
Let's also not forget that Bush was a Guard fighter pilot...something not many history or other `soft' degree types can easily muster. As a side note: my (deceased) father was a career Air Force fighter pilot.
Posted by Happy at 04/08/2007 @ 12:54pm
Happy-bush joined the Guard to avoid Nam.Bush got through school the same way Ted Kennedy did.His parents bought him his diploma.That's why such people go to the schools their parents spend lots of money at.
Posted by i'm nobody at 04/08/2007 @ 12:58pm
[pol.moveon.org]
I hope the hypertext translation protocol (?) creates an advertising banner for peace when I hit "submit."
Posted by lewwelge at 04/08/2007 @ 12:59pm
I must take umbrage at your rather harsh criticism of our prompting writer, John Nichols, Happy......the "dumbing down" of America.....
Posted by LEWWELGE 04/08/2007 @ 07:13am | ignore this person
Yes, I was harsh at Mr. Nichols! But no less harsh than most of the bat guano he constantly secrets!
As for "dumbing down", I couldn't agree more and it's one damning indictment of the spectrum of MSM journalists who increasingly are indistingushable for The Nat'l Enquirer....John's title, and the underlying poll, for this post are cases in point...simplistic and misleading. So was the post by Mr. Corn (who I respect but disagree most of the times) on Jew-Counting.....
Posted by Happy at 04/08/2007 @ 1:04pm
Nope. Strike one. Well, maybe most of you would like to know that moveon.org is hosting a virtual town hall meeting on Tuesday, 4/10, at 7:15 p.m. EST with the powerful putative Democratic candidates for POTUS fielding questions from many of the 3.2 members of the inspiring grass/circuit-roots of the latter-day suffrage movement: moveon.org
Posted by lewwelge at 04/08/2007 @ 1:04pm
And Happy, your father's service to our great nation is appreciated. I think you'd better honor his actions by reserving negative judgements about John Nichols and the relatively few other muckraking journalists who strive to promote peaceful progress rather than the all too typical and cynical "war hawks" who profit by this ongoing "military madness."
Posted by lewwelge at 04/08/2007 @ 1:08pm
Secretions, sir, are usually unintended leakages. Nichols is forthright in his communicative flows.
We're only as sick as our secrets, Happy, and the now open hidden message behind your posts is your frank lack of writing skill/pursuasiveness.
Posted by lewwelge at 04/08/2007 @ 1:12pm
let's take a look at whom we are fighting in Iraq. everybody, is the short answer. there are by most estimates 1,000 al qaeda fighters in Iraq. yes we are presumably fighting them. there were about a million and a half members of the Baath party, with Saddam as its head. he was very insecure, the murderous thug, of being replaced in a coup. the way he came to power. so we must assume that we are fighting those baathists.Iraq is 60% shia. we are fighting them too, that means we are fighting some of the 14 million shias in Iraq. should Bush attack Iran, many more of those shia will turn against us, as many already have. has McvCain given any thought to the shopkeepers he chatted with on his "visit: to baghdad, and who were promptly killed the day after? of course not. the repubs don't really care about Iraq and the Iraqis. the war and occupation are merely a political prop and club with which they hoped to smite the dems. they have since however been hoisted on their own petard, look it up. there will be no victory parades for these soldiers, because they have not "won" anything.
Posted by johannesrolf at 04/08/2007 @ 1:14pm
Pursuing persuasiveness, I too have imperiled my pen's potency. Lo sciento amigos.
Posted by lewwelge at 04/08/2007 @ 1:16pm
....Happy, and the now open hidden message behind your posts is your frank lack of writing skill/pursuasiveness.
Posted by LEWWELGE 04/08/2007 @ 1:12pm | ignore this person
So, you know my secret....yep, I barely got over 500 on my language SAT but I don't want to bowel you over with my math SAT score! Why do you think I was an engineering major and was a licensed Professional Engineer (pre-MBA)?
Posted by Happy at 04/08/2007 @ 1:16pm
Let's also not forget that Bush was a Guard fighter pilot...something not many history or other `soft' degree types can easily muster. As a side note: my (deceased) father was a career Air Force fighter pilot.
Posted by HAPPY 04/08/2007 @ 12:54pm | ignore this person
I think Bush's air force career was and is a blot on the patriotic service I'm sure your dad performed, as it is on anyone who did their duty instead of shirking it.
Posted by johannesrolf at 04/08/2007 @ 1:16pm
Right on Johann! Although I cringe reading your perspicacious prose, I know your message is the kind of "correction" we'll eventually have to face when the "chicken(hawks) come home to roost." I suspect oil prices over $3 a gallon will be THE most potent indicator of this woefully failed neo-conservative crusade.
Posted by lewwelge at 04/08/2007 @ 1:21pm
Posted by HAPPY 04/08/2007 @ 1:16pm | ignore this person
enough with the bragging. it was sort of cute when you bragged about your son's SATs, but polishing your apple in this pathetic way can only bring ridicule.
here's the deal. a college education provides you with the tools of learning. everything else is up to you. it is how you use these tools for the rest of your life that counts. one more side note. Bill Gates didn't invent anything, Thomas Edison he wasn't. he parlayed the inventions of others, brilliantly and more, just like Henry Ford did not invent the combustion engine OR invent the automobile.
Posted by johannesrolf at 04/08/2007 @ 1:24pm
Kurt Vonnegut was/is an engineer and his writings are in the first rank of American, if not world literature. Combine his anti-war eloquence with the quote of Susan Sontag's in a recent Nation that "literature IS self-criticism" and one recognizes lack of self-reflection in the too empowered projecting potentates externalizing their hypocritcal moralizing unto das velt.
Posted by lewwelge at 04/08/2007 @ 1:32pm
This simulacrum of "real time" debate has been fun, but, alas, all things must end, most grievously the "good." Until next time, Adios.
Posted by lewwelge at 04/08/2007 @ 1:36pm
thanks Lew. my compliments to you for your consistently thoughtful posts.
Posted by johannesrolf at 04/08/2007 @ 1:37pm
enough with the bragging....
...Bill Gates didn't invent anything,....Henry Ford did not invent .....
Posted by JOHANNESROLF 04/08/2007 @ 1:24pm | ignore this person
brag.ging: To assert boastfully
If you think so, that's your perogative! Almost all such "bragging" comes about in the context of exchanges and to make a personal and original point or FACT.
I'm not sure but I think you are the one who actually `bragged' on a number of occassions about the rise of the Dems and the long-term demise of the GOP based on nothing more than one election in which your side gained a rather insecure Congressional majority.
At my age and maturity, I hardly go out of my oway to brag about anything! I am perfectly HAPPY that people that don't know me, thinks I am blue-collar (been driving plain pickup trucks w/toolbox for many years) and a Mr. Dad to boot!
Posted by Happy at 04/08/2007 @ 1:49pm
Hap, unlike you I have never boasted of my or my son's SAT scores. which is not to say that I have not bragged in the past, and will likely do so again in the future.
I brag about my thousand books, my research in numerous fields, even my fellowships and grants, and the fact that my art was accepted in a group show at a Washington Square gallery. I do so because I would like to be an example to others, by showing them what a life of the mind can be like. I wish you well, despite our mostly political differences. enjoy your son's accomplishments, as I enjoy those of my son.
Posted by johannesrolf at 04/08/2007 @ 2:12pm
Until next time, Adios.
Posted by LEWWELGE 04/08/2007 @ 1:36pm | ignore this person
Whew, glad LEW is gone for now.....thought she would surely nail my "Mr. Dad" closing comment when I meant "Mr. Mom" (I think...anyway, one or the other has got to be right....you know my lack of language skills)!
Posted by Happy at 04/08/2007 @ 2:12pm
.....I would like to be an example to others......I wish you well, despite our mostly political differences. enjoy your son's accomplishments, as I enjoy those of my son.
Posted by JOHANNESROLF 04/08/2007 @ 2:12pm | ignore this person
It seems other than political differences, we are not dissimilar in accomplishments....though you are better-known and very likely more accomplished in your `fields' than I am!
Perhaps someday, I can share some glassfuls w/you, a la JM. Another side note: despite my son's less-than-stellar grades, he is aiming for (eventually) a PhD and a career in academia.
Posted by Happy at 04/08/2007 @ 2:22pm
Hap, we are DADS. that's a start. where do you reside?
Posted by johannesrolf at 04/08/2007 @ 2:28pm
CRAB:
See today's news from Tokyo below.
Ask your Governor to explain to Michiganders why Isuzu, like Toyota, Nissan, BMW, & Mercedes before them, are NOT putting their US plant in Michigan where there is an abundance of no-training-needed auto workers, parts makers and other support infrastructures
TOKYO (Nikkei)--Isuzu Motors Ltd. (7202) plans to resume truck production in the U.S. by building a plant in Alabama to assemble midsize vehicles, The Nikkei learned Sunday.
Posted by Happy at 04/08/2007 @ 4:07pm
where do you reside?
Posted by JOHANNESROLF 04/08/2007 @ 2:28pm | ignore this person
Houston, Energy Capital of the world (still, though slipping as increases in reserves, production and consumption are moving further & further away from the Americas)! Halliburton's opening a co-HQ in Dubai is at the leading edge of us (Texas) losing some exclusivity!
Posted by Happy at 04/08/2007 @ 4:13pm
PLUNGER 4/08/07 @10:02 am
Referring to your statement that the invasion of Iraq was meant to DECREASE the supply of oil, I recently read that until the middle of 2006 most of Iraq's oil pipelines were not even equipped with working meters. Earlier in the occupation Bremer refused to install new ones. Would that be a way of decreasing the oil supply? I'm curious.
Posted by felicity at 04/08/2007 @ 4:56pm
Ask your Governor to explain to Michiganders why Isuzu, like Toyota, Nissan, BMW, & Mercedes before them, are NOT putting their US plant in Michigan where there is an abundance of no-training-needed auto workers, parts makers and other support infrastructures
TOKYO (Nikkei)--Isuzu Motors Ltd. (7202) plans to resume truck production in the U.S. by building a plant in Alabama to assemble midsize vehicles, The Nikkei learned Sunday.
Posted by HAPPY 04/08/2007 @ 4:07pm | ignore this person
elementary, a one word answer, unions.
Posted by johannesrolf at 04/08/2007 @ 5:10pm
Posted by CRABWALK 04/08/2007 @ 09:54am
Posted by JOHANNESROLF 04/08/2007 @ 10:26am
And I passed through Whitehall Street too....
And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."
("KID, HAVE YOU REHABILITATED YOURSELF?")
I went over to the sargent, said, "Sargeant, you got a lot a damn gall to ask me if I've rehabilitated myself, I mean, I mean, I mean that just, I'm sittin' here on the bench, I mean I'm sittin here on the Group W bench 'cause you want to know if I'm moral enough join the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages after bein' a litterbug." He looked at me and said, "Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send you fingerprints off to Washington."
"'cause you want to know if I'm moral enough join the army,....after bein' a litterbug."
Arlo Guthrie
My favorite Thanksgiving song..... Great song.
Posted by COProgressive at 04/08/2007 @ 6:09pm
Spent lots of time on Group "w" benches, playin with my pencils and whatnot.
Posted by crabwalk at 04/08/2007 @ 7:02pm
HAPPY, same reason the factories have been moving for decades. Labor cost. CEO salaries rise catastrophically, but they want others salaries to go down each year.
Toyota is building a huge R&D facility in Ypsilanti. Pfizer is closing a large plant, but not due to burdensome taxation. Another canard being passed around the local talking head shows.
Posted by crabwalk at 04/08/2007 @ 7:05pm
Moral waivers are now acceptable in our armed forces. Litterbugs, dope smokers, thieves, coke fiends, domestic abusers etc. No gays, please. Not moral enough.
Posted by crabwalk at 04/08/2007 @ 7:08pm
Alabama has a higher income tax than MI.
AL has a corporate rate of 6.5%
MI had an SBT, an archaic form of taxation that was based on "1.9% on the sum of federal taxable income of the business, compensation paid to employees, dividends, interest, royalties paid and other items." This tax has disappeared, thanks to the MI repubs. On the surface this would appear to attract business. But, with there being no replacement revenue, we are going to go down the toilet and be just like AL and Mississippi soon. Without the snakes.
Posted by crabwalk at 04/08/2007 @ 7:40pm
I noticed Al Sadr tells Iraqis to attack American forces rather than each other. Wasn't it just a week or so ago the neo-conmen were telling us Al Sadr was cooperating in the new Baghdad security sweep operations? Some ally you looney tunes have there. Who's your next ally, Osama? Oh, wait...nevermind, he seems to be on the list too...otherwise he'd be in an orange jumpsuit in Guantanamo. Like Van Halen once sung, "Come on baby finished what you started."
Posted by BlueTexan at 04/08/2007 @ 7:53pm
Here is the question:
"Do you favor a withdrawal of all United States military from Iraq within the next six months?"
I would venture to say that neither Republicans or Democrats want to be at war in Iraq, or at war anywhere, if we don't have to be. So, of course, anyone reasonable should agree that they would favor a withdrawal in the next 6 months.
The problem, however, is how to do that. The below is an excerpt from my former college roommate, currently a Marine officer in Iraq:
"I don't want anyone to see what I saw today. I don't want to tell you about the details. The fact that a human being would cause something like that to happen to another person disgusts me. When you think about that, maybe there are some people that do need to see what I saw today. If you think the people we are fighting over here are just poor, innocent Muslims, you need to see what I saw today. If you think they're just like you and me and they're really no threat to the United States, you should have had to pick up guys missing flesh and tried to keep them from going into shock. If your opinion is that these people will be satisfied when we pull out and leave them alone, you should have had to clean out the floorboards of that humvee. You live in a happy fantasyland where everybody would be friends if there was no war. You haven't seen much."
Until that threat is disabled, I don't get comfort in removing our troops. It would be nice if it were disabled in the next 6 months, but how could we really put the cap on it?...
Posted by roberthanley at 04/08/2007 @ 8:31pm
Seriously now, folks.....
How is PLUNGER still able to get on the Internet from the Halliburton concentration camp?!??!?!?
Or was he drafted and serving with the Jesuit/Zionist/Illuminati Army on the frontlines in Iran???
BLOG | Posted 03/28/2007 @ 02:14am MoveOn Launches Online Townhalls by Ari Melber
"Time is up. World War III starts Friday – and it will coincide with conditions inside the US that lead to Martial Law, through either an Anthrax attack or a phony Bird Flu Outbreak.
Posted by PLUNGER 03/28/2007 @ 7:46pm
Posted by Mask at 04/08/2007 @ 8:52pm
The best you possibly could have scored on your SATs was...1350ish?
lol...dude, you should REALLY consider keeping that a secret. 1350 is NOTHING to brag about. Nor is being an engineer.
Nice try though. I'm actually embarassed FOR you.
Posted by MADLIB 04/08/2007 @ 9:27pm | ignore this person
Are you seriously this shallow or just so young as to be still `wet' everywhere? You think I'm bragging by stating my first profession? Did I brag about my groundbreaking design work (fact) as part of a team? You've got to be just joking,....NO, you are not!
Some early `70s' memory lane for you and ilks: In those good ole days, no one retook the SAT and no one took review classes--they didn't exist, unlike the multiple options I'm considering for my 10-th grader this very month...for this summer--strictly one-shot deal in my days. You guesstimated my score reasonably well and as `embarrasing' as you have every right to think, I was proud to be well within the top 10%! No, not bragging....FACT!
You think you `scored' on me? NO! You have put down just about all of your over-35 lefty buddies here who scored lower than HAPPY me! Since you mounted the attack, let's see you show your hand....lie if you have to!
Wait, maybe you thought the perfect SAT score has been 2400 all along! You are fast approaching your other buddies (mostly young know-nothing) already on my `don't waste time' list!
Posted by Happy at 04/09/2007 @ 01:23am
Hey there Ameri-cans. Too many of you are still thinking about this all wrong. You don't need all your troops back from Iraq to make the world a better place. You just need enough to overthrow the current regime. Where 170 000 troops weren't enough to bring 'democracy' to Iraq, it might be possible to restore democracy to America with 60 000. The main difference being that they'd have public (and global) support. Oh yes - and they would "be greeted as liberators". Good one, Dick.
Posted by Buck_Fush at 04/09/2007 @ 02:31am
He is risen! The Christian metaphor for everlasting life and heaven on earth has exited death's tomb and I wish each of you peace so as to lead to increased social justice ahead, for all, especially the literal children AND we other children of THE non-anthropomorphic God of Love.
Posted by lewwelge at 04/09/2007 @ 05:53am
Bush's getting a history degree is understandable since he comes from a political family. His being an average student (but superior to Kerry) says little! Bill Gates & Michael Dell both dropped out of college....now both are among the top Billionairs and philanthropists! My older son is a slightly above `average (college) student' but ranks in the top 2% on the SAT and is far smarter than his HAPPY father!
Surely you didn't purposely leave out the FACT that he also holds an MBA.....lots of number crunching and complex algebraic equations in subjects like operations research.
Let's also not forget that Bush was a Guard fighter pilot...something not many history or other `soft' degree types can easily muster. As a side note: my (deceased) father was a career Air Force fighter pilot.
Posted by HAPPY 04/08/2007 @ 12:54pm | ignore this person
You seem to be conflicted in your argument here Happy. It was you that was equating "soft degrees" with lack of ability and intelligence. Doesn't surprise me that you believe that it applies to journalists but not GOP politicians.
As to the history major...well maybe he could have majored in Public Administration?
Ask George what kind of MBA he got. Don't think he graduated from Wharton do you? Think his MBA was the "soft" kind designed for average grades liberal arts majors who have difficulty finding work. The coursework and requirements are a piece of cake compared to traditonal 4 year business administration bachelor's degrees from top business schools.
Posted by OneVote at 04/09/2007 @ 08:07am
Excerpt from Ali A. Allawi, an Iraqi government insider's book:
First came the "monumental ignorance" of those in Washington pushing for war in 2002 without "the faintest idea" of Iraq's realities. "More perceptive people knew instinctively that the invasion of Iraq would open up the great fissures in Iraqi society," he writes. ( where have I read that? Oh yeah, crabs posts.hmmm...)
What followed was the "rank amateurism and swaggering arrogance" of the occupation, under L. Paul Bremer's Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA), which took big steps with little consultation with Iraqis, steps Allawi and many others see as blunders:
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/08/2007 @ 11:21pm
Thanks for posting that Frank. It seems "reality" is too strong for the neo-cons. The only box they have left to stand on is "we haven't been attacked here in 6 years". Rio is absolutely incorrect (shocking, I know!!) when he says no US embassy has been attacked. EVERY day the Green Zone gets shelled. Bill Clinton kept us safe for almost ten years between World Trade Center bombings/attempts. Then, using US and international law, he went out and captured the scum, tried and convicted them. Everyday the US is attacked.
good plan, RIO. good Plan.
Frank is right again in his 12:13 post. for the vast majority of sheep religion is a matter of tradition, not intellectual curiosity. What you have to keep in mind, RIO, LUVVY, is that the Taliban and AL Sadrs Army are filled with people JUST LIKE YOU!! They hate liberals, hate gays and lesbians (excluding Mary Cheney of course, who deserves to live in peace unlike the other lesbians), they hate Americas "activist" judges, etc. They are you, you are them. Same fear, same god, different savior.
Posted by crabwalk at 04/09/2007 @ 08:12am
Posted by ROBERTHANLEY 04/08/2007 @ 8:31pm
So, how long should we stay? Till the civil war is over? Ten more years? 15? Do we understand the enemy? Will we in ten years?
then what about Somalia, Darfur, Myanmar, Columbia, ? These areas have the same scumbags killing wantonly. Are you prepared to live an endless war till we kill all the bad guys in the world?
Posted by crabwalk at 04/09/2007 @ 08:16am
"Although Allawi, a cousin of Ayad Allawi, Iraq's prime minister in 2004, is a member of a secularist Shiite Muslim political grouping, his well-researched book betrays little partisanship.
On U.S. reconstruction failures -- in electricity, health care and other areas documented by Washington's own auditors -- Allawi writes that the Americans' "insipid retelling of `success' stories" merely hid "the huge black hole that lay underneath."
For their part, U.S. officials have often largely blamed Iraq's explosive violence for the failures of reconstruction and poor governance.
The author has been instrumental since 2005 in publicizing extensive corruption within Iraq's "new order," including an $800-million Defense Ministry scandal. Under Saddam, he writes, the secret police kept would-be plunderers in check better than the U.S. occupiers have done.
As 2007 began, Allawi concludes, "America's only allies in Iraq were those who sought to manipulate the great power to their narrow advantage. It might have been otherwise.""
Think about that, Saddam did a better job than Chimpy. And don't take that as support for Saddam, it is not.
Posted by crabwalk at 04/09/2007 @ 08:18am
Posted by ROBERTHANLEY 04/08/2007 @ 8:31pm
Problem is most posting here have NO use for truth and even less for realities other than their owned imagined fantasies of what reality is! They probably think LIVE LEAK is a military propoganda site!
Posted by RIO BRAVO 04/08/2007 @ 10:42pm |
Truth, no wmd's in Iraq.
Fantasy- Wmd's in Iraq, available for sale to the nearest terrorist.
Truth- No links between Al Qaid and Saddam.
Fantasy- operational links between the 2.
Truth- 5 years in, no sign of stability.
Fantasy- the war will take weeks, maybe months. the markets in Baghdad are as safe as http://www.shipshewana.com/
Truth- soldiers are treated poorly when they have mental problems caused by there service in Iraq.
Fantasy- W supports the troops
Truth- Gonzo was involved in firing UA's
Fantasy- he will tell the Truth when he appears before congress.
Truth- W is a lying sack of incompetent ex-cheerleader, Yale educated, draft dodging corrupt dung
Fantasy- W is a good war president, keeping us safe from terrorists while keeping our coffers full and safe from corruption.
Posted by crabwalk at 04/09/2007 @ 08:25am
RIO- Your nonsense about Clinton bombing Christians in order to aid Islamic terrorists puts you in the rese/plunger group.It is hardly the fault of Clinton that Christians were doing their genocide thing,again.We protested Johnson during Nam.You must be young.
Posted by i'm nobody at 04/09/2007 @ 09:45am
RIO-You are as independent as the head of the RNC.
Posted by i'm nobody at 04/09/2007 @ 09:54am
then what about Somalia, Darfur, Myanmar, Columbia, ? These areas have the same scumbags killing wantonly. Are you prepared to live an endless war till we kill all the bad guys in the world?
Posted by CRABWALK 04/09/2007 @ 08:16am
Do I understand by this statement, CRAB....that you would OPPOSE sending troops into Darfur to stop the genocide there?
Posted by Mask at 04/09/2007 @ 10:23am
Lucky you have good men and women carrying rifles to protect your free speech, because you probably wouldn't fight to protect your own home and family, much less someone elses..........
Posted by DAVEBARLETT 04/08/2007 @ 11:53am
And just HOW MANY of you neo-con blow hards have EVER served your country?
HOW MANY???????
Posted by Dr Decibels at 04/09/2007 @ 10:24am
Let's also not forget that Bush was a Guard fighter pilot...something not many history or other `soft' degree types can easily muster. As a side note: my (deceased) father was a career Air Force fighter pilot.
Posted by HAPPY 04/08/2007 @ 12:54pm
And Bush had the shittiest lowest score you could possbily have and NOT BE GROUNDED.
Bush is a second rate "entitlement" bozo.
I piss on his "MBA".
It isn't worth the paper he used to file bankruptcy for EVERY BUSINESS HE STARTED.
Posted by Dr Decibels at 04/09/2007 @ 10:26am
Decibels,
I have an MBA and because of Bush's complete lack of social interaction understanding, general management ability, poor grasp of rudimentary finance and clear distatste of systems management, his addiction to cronyism I seriously wonder why anyone would ever apply to Harvard's business school.
But that can also be said of his undergrad which I think was in HISTORY from Yale (Yeah this guy's mastered the concepts of history...NOT)!
Posted by freedomplease at 04/09/2007 @ 10:44am
I seriously wonder why anyone would ever apply to Harvard's business school. - freedomplease
I think most people are there to learn, not kill a few years while avoiding service to our country. Bush was a better cheerleader and partier than student.
Same story for the rest of his sorry life.
Just wish he wasn't dragging the rest of us along for the ride.
Posted by Dr Decibels at 04/09/2007 @ 10:47am
sorry -
And Bush had the shittiest lowest FLIGHT score you could possibly have and NOT BE GROUNDED.
Posted by Dr Decibels at 04/09/2007 @ 10:48am
Mad Lib -
I think Happy got a 1350 at a time when 1600 was a perfect score.
Posted by Hman23 at 04/09/2007 @ 10:54am
Anyone who ever served in the Air Force should be ashamed of Bushes "record".
The man leaves the stink of failure everywhere he goes.
Posted by Dr Decibels at 04/09/2007 @ 10:54am
If you were born in a Muslim country and raised to worship their God, would you still be a good Christian?
Sort of confusing question: I'm assuming had I been born in a Muslim country I would have been raised that way.
I'm not as good of a Christian as I should be (problems with turning the other cheek.... hate the sin not the sinner...)
Do you see now how stupid man really is and how useless and senseless organized religion really is?
Yes, I try to avoid the middle man - they charge too much
What a nightmare huh? Agreed.
Posted by Dr Decibels at 04/09/2007 @ 11:26am
"If you were born in a Muslim country and raised to worship their God, would you still be a good Christian? "
I think this question is too silly to answer, Frank, and everyone stop reeading from there on...you have you asnwer...
Posted by john maasch at 04/09/2007 @ 11:27am
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 04/09/2007 @ 11:10am
as far as Kerry goes, you coward, his shipmates confirm his heroism.
None of bushes buddies will even say he was THERE.
Old coward.
Posted by Dr Decibels at 04/09/2007 @ 11:32am
You're not the one to play semantics here johhny boy.
Posted by Dr Decibels at 04/09/2007 @ 11:32am
Maasch-I see you're learning from the other Mask to take a sentence out of context and criticize it.
Posted by i'm nobody at 04/09/2007 @ 11:40am
Mask, No.
Posted by crabwalk at 04/09/2007 @ 11:45am
Do you see now how stupid man really is .....
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/09/2007 @ 11:18am
FRANK, does that apply to WOMEN too? (even women in high positions of power and leadership?!??!)
Posted by Mask at 04/09/2007 @ 12:18pm
Mask, No.
Posted by CRABWALK 04/09/2007 @ 11:45am
No? So, you FAVOR sending troops into Darfur?
Posted by Mask at 04/09/2007 @ 12:19pm
FrankGrits-The real God can only be discovered through personal experience and search and not from the accident of birth or from any book.
Posted by i'm nobody at 04/09/2007 @ 12:28pm
If you were born in a Muslim country and raised to worship their God, would you still be a good Christian?
Sort of confusing question: I'm assuming had I been born in a Muslim country I would have been raised that way.
I'm not as good of a Christian as I should be (problems with turning the other cheek.... hate the sin not the sinner...)
Do you see now how stupid man really is and how useless and senseless organized religion really is?
Yes, I try to avoid the middle man - they charge too much
What a nightmare huh? Agreed.
?
Posted by Dr Decibels at 04/09/2007 @ 1:44pm
The Qur'an says in 19:21 about Jesus as a revelation for mankind and a mercy from God, and it is a thing ordained.
The Bible says in 1Timothy 2:5 that there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
The Qur'an also says very clearly that Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near unto God (Qur'an 3:45). So we may keep our duty to God and obey Jesus (Qur'an 3:50; 43:61).
http://www.exorthodoxforchrist.com/islam_and_jesus_christ.htm
Posted by hsuBfools at 04/09/2007 @ 3:14pm
Posted by FREEDOMPLEASE 04/09/2007 @ 10:44am | ignore this person
Posted by DR DECIBELS 04/09/2007 @ 10:26am | ignore this person
"Bush is a second rate "entitlement" bozo.
I piss on his "MBA".
It isn't worth the paper he used to file bankruptcy for EVERY BUSINESS HE STARTED."
Harvard Business School is the only business school I am aware of that doesn't pay much attention to grades and GMAT scores for admissions....rather they look at who your Daddy & Mummy is. Thus....George Bush gains entry to Harvard Business School based on his cheerleader charm. I've got a feeling that the same is true for is "undergraduate" Yale admission. Thanks again Daddy.
Remember...its not what you know...its who you know.
Posted by OneVote at 04/09/2007 @ 6:52pm
Posted by FRANKGRITS 04/09/2007 @ 12:25pm
FRANK, I'm an agnostic, so don't concern myself with "God".
And I wasn't being a smart-ass. You said "all men are stupid"...and I asked if that included women, because apparently (from your comments about the perfection of Nancy Pelosi on the other thread)....it doesn't.
Posted by Mask at 04/10/2007 @ 09:35am
Mask, have you got anything to say but snark? Anything with a real logical premise behind it?
FG, I became an atheist at the age of 9. All of the creation myths are based on it couldn't just "be here, could it?" so they postulated a supremely powerful being who could just "be here" to create it. Much of what warps peoples' souls is fear of dying and all the stories they tell themselves as solace for it happening. Oddly, in every religion, God acts, thinks and reasons like his subject people and few people seem to tumble to the idea that they created him, rather than the other way around. Interesting, isn't it?
Posted by brantl at 04/10/2007 @ 12:19pm