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RedditMoveOn today announced it will convene three "virtual town hall meetings" for 2008 presidential candidates to discuss Iraq, health care and energy policy. The meetings will be organized from the bottom up: MoveOn members choose the candidates and questions, and then vote for their favorite. The first topic is Iraq, and MoveOn says it will encourage its members to support and donate money for the candidate "they believe will do the best job of leading us out of the war in Iraq."
The online meetings will be broadcast by Air America, which has generously offered to host both Democratic and Republican presidential campaign debates this season, and MoveOn says the major Democratic candidates are ready to participate if asked. Minor candidates are ready too--rather than wait for an invite to address the town halls, Earlier this week, Rep. Dennis Kucinich cut a video with his "message to MoveOn.org members.".
Standing in a jacket sans necktie before a clump of trees in Washington, Kucinich emphasizes in the video that he is the only presidential candidate who has voted against every bill to fund the Iraq war. "I'm appealing to you to keep in mind that Congress has the power to end the war, and that's why I disagreed with my own leadership, and disagreed with MoveOn's leadership, as to how we should resolve this situation in Iraq" he says. The message comes at a time when MoveOn -- and other progressives -- have been criticized for supporting House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's Iraq supplemental bill. Kucinich is taking his appeal directly to MoveOn members in an effort to recruit online opposition to MoveOn's leadership, which is a very MoveOn thing to do.
One of the chief critics of MoveOn's supplemental stance is John Stauber, executive director of the Center for Media and Democracy, who recently coauthored a widely-circulated essay assailing MoveOn as "cynical" and not serious about ending the war. He told me MoveOn is focused on "bloodying the Republicans" over Iraq to help Democrats win, instead of putting all its energy into ending the war.
But many antiwar leaders argue that the timetable which the House passed, with the support of many conservative Democrats, is precisely the tangible step the country needs to ratchet up the pressure on President Bush and the GOP.
It's hard to imagine how the failure of a more "pure" bill advancing immediate withdrawal would do more to end the war than the success of Pelosi's bill. As Donald Rumsfeld might say if he were a MoveOn leader, (admittedly a big IF), you end the war with the Congress you have, not the Congress you want. Of course, this debate will continue at MoveOn's town halls – the first one is April 10.
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Move on? Townhalls? Thats like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson holding townhall meetings...the only ones who show up are the choir, the already converrted and the public to watch the circus come to town and see the loons in action...not very main stream, those Moveon kooks.
Big joke.
Posted by john maasch at 03/28/2007 @ 08:21am
I'm pleased that Air America offered air time for presidential debates. I believe the people at Air America would frame them very nicely. Not that the Republicans will accept the offer, having a keen sense of their own self interest, and I am afraid many Democrats have such a poor sense of their own self interest that they will refuse the offer, too.
The presidential debates have been a lamentable circus ever since the two "major" parties wrested control over them from the League of Women Voters in 1988. This respectable organization would never have booted Ralph Nader from the debates, as was shamefully done in 1996.
"Zero," while the Democratic party is exasperating in its weakness, I believe it needs our help as much as it needs our criticism. The Democrats did not create all the political circumstances that weaken them. I would for my part vote for Greens if I could -- and I do when I can. My favorite vote ever was cast for Ralph Nader in 1996.
How much should we criticize the Democrats as anti-establishment gadflies, and how much should we "pragmatically" support the "lesser of two evils" so as to ward off another regime of Republican rabid dogs? I don't know. Dennis Kucinich's candidacy makes this question more serious, I think. This man deserves much more credit than he gets from anyone in the media (except the "Counterspin" radio program of "Fairness and Accuracy In Media (FAIR)," which recently lauded him). He has a stronger spine than ten average Congressmen put together. Why, then, do people say he has no chance to win? Maybe this is more our fault than his. Maybe some internet "town meetings" could help.
But… I dunno.
Posted by JakobFabian at 03/28/2007 @ 08:24am
Oops, all you readers who keep an eye on acronyms know I made a mistake. "Counterspin" is produced by "Fairness and Accuracy In REPORTING," not "Media." Otherwise, you'd get "FAIM," which would remind any French speaker of hunger.
Clearly, I was confusing FAIR with the politically rightward-leaning "Accuracy In Media," or AIM. Not a mistake I'd ever make listening to the radio.
Posted by JakobFabian at 03/28/2007 @ 08:37am
Clearly, I was confusing FAIR with the politically rightward-leaning "Accuracy In Media," or AIM. Not a mistake I'd ever make listening to the radio.
Posted by JAKOBFABIAN
Off topic:
I noticed last night on Frontline that Accuracy in Media has worked hard to keep Al Jazeera English out of the US media market. Why are Americans not free to judge whether the info Al Jazeera English provides is accurate or not?
Posted by mtspence05 at 03/28/2007 @ 09:49am
...those Moveon kooks.
Big joke.
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 03/28/2007 @ 08:21am | ignore this person
Sure thing Archie...er John...you think they're just a bunch of meatheads...er...kooks.
More brilliant commentary from our resident Archie Bunker wannabe.
Posted by Lillian at 03/28/2007 @ 10:02am
Posted by LILLIAN
Archie was a WWII vet, though, unlike the old coward that dodged the war in Vietnam.
Posted by mtspence05 at 03/28/2007 @ 10:04am
Move on? Townhalls? Thats like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson holding townhall meetings...
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 03/28/2007 @ 08:21am | ignore this person
Archie...er...John obviously used the wrong analaogy there. Much better analogies can be found in the ones George Bush held when he was trying to eliminate...er...reform social security. Rmemeber when they carefully screened everyone who tried to attend...and kicked anyone who looked like they might dissent? Even arrested 3 in Denver for having the audacity to even CONSIDER speaking a word in opposition.
Those were perfect examples of what the wingnuts think of as 'townhall meetings'.
Posted by Lillian at 03/28/2007 @ 10:18am
Posted by MTSPENCE05 03/28/2007 @ 10:04am | ignore this person
Yes, now that you mention it, compared to John, Archie Bunker looks downright heroic.
Posted by Lillian at 03/28/2007 @ 10:20am
Informative article [uncyclopedia.org] on "Air America"....
hehe
Posted by Mask at 03/28/2007 @ 12:29pm
"Sure thing Archie...er John...you think they're just a bunch of meatheads...er...kooks.
More brilliant commentary from our resident Archie Bunker wannabe.
Posted by LILLIAN 03/28/2007 @ 10:02am
Nope, just kooks and loons..like LiL and MT...
keep on thinking you are main stream..
Posted by john maasch at 03/28/2007 @ 12:59pm
Who wants to be "mainstream"? Not me, old coward.
Posted by mtspence05 at 03/28/2007 @ 1:02pm
keep on thinking you are main stream..
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 03/28/2007 @ 12:59pm | ignore this person
Archie...er...John...from your vantage point where you're firmly entrenched in the rapidly shrinking fringe 30%...you can't even SEE the mainstream, let alone be a part of it.
Posted by Lillian at 03/28/2007 @ 1:47pm
Hey MT, #1 here, Heard you mention "that old coward who dodged the Vietnam war". Now I'm confused: I thought you LIKED Bill Clinton
Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 03/28/2007 @ 2:59pm
thanks you. Thank you. Chip will be here all week folks . . .
and next weekend you can catch him at the Taj opening for Carrot Top.
Posted by Hman23 at 03/28/2007 @ 3:42pm
No one is making the case that America should not attack Iran, except security experts.
Hillary and Edwards are getting ready to line up for a 2nd helping of shame. I know Gore and probably Obama will maintain their honor, and condemn an attack on Iran for the disaster it WILL/WOULD be.
Mask and fellow Republicans are thirsting for Iranian blood the way Bushs owners like their oil.
Naderites are too busy protesting against the bill Bush is going to veto, you dont hear any of them talking about a war with Iran. Of course, that fuccker John Edwards - look Edwards, we are going to lose everything, dont go for a 2nd even greater helping of shame. You cant apologize for a mistake the 2nd time. I fully expect Hillary Clinton will abandon decency and speak in favor of an attack on Iran, I'd be less surprised if Bush went against the idiotic idea than if she did.
Posted by conshame at 03/28/2007 @ 4:45pm
That being said, if Hillary or Edwards were President there would be no attack on Iran for Congress to vote on.
Posted by conshame at 03/28/2007 @ 4:45pm
Gulf of Tonkin, any day now, America not knowing shhit about whats coming.
Will some hero in the George Bush administration reveal the plot and save our future?
Posted by conshame at 03/28/2007 @ 4:46pm
Hey MT, #1 here, Heard you mention "that old coward who dodged the Vietnam war". Now I'm confused: I thought you LIKED Bill Clinton
Posted by CHIP THORNTON
You are confused about a great many things.
Posted by mtspence05 at 03/28/2007 @ 5:00pm
Who wants to be "mainstream"? Not me, old coward.
Posted by MTSPENCE05 03/28/2007 @ 1:02pm
On this site you are mainstream .....in the community of rational thinkers and just plain old good guys...you don't exist.
The House and Senate are the real cowards, but your bit calling me a coward is defining of you and your capacitys as far as I am concerned. ..born out of shallow thought pool lacking any intelligent understanding of the times we lived through...
I will 'splain this to you once because you are slow and resort to childish name calling and then will never address you again...I was eligble for military when I came of age..Viet Nam ended BEFORE I came of military age..my roomates were older than I..
You represent yourself well in the kook section...lack of thought and most probable personality problem...I have read your posts over time and you treat every one the same...poorly and with apparent malice which I guess you mistake for cleverness..I can only imagine the women you attract, if you attract women..someone no doubt who is drawn to verbal barbs and abuse. Seems sad.
My hope is we survie the next fews years intact with the current crop of kooks in Washington...I have to admit, I never would have thought our nation would end up with the current frauds, left wing kooks, clowns, moral giants like Kennedy and Hillary back in the control, but yet here we are...
Time to hide your assets..
AQ must be as happy as they were on 9/12...we are in for a rough time.... any rate, the next 2 years are yours to enjoy with the current congress...as far as I can see, they are you.
The war ended in 1972..I was 17 and notn eligible for the military...
Posted by john maasch at 03/28/2007 @ 5:21pm
LIL,
You must be an old bag to keep bringing up "Archie"....never really watched him or the show....did your life revolve around the show since you keep bringing up something that was, what was canceled in the 70s?
Posted by john maasch at 03/28/2007 @ 5:25pm
That's funny, before you said you had a high draft number. Now your name is old lying coward.
Posted by mtspence05 at 03/28/2007 @ 5:38pm
in the community of rational thinkers and just plain old good guys...you don't exist. Posted by JOHN MAASCH
You believe your own lies, don't you, old lying coward? Rational, good? As I told you before, you're part of the demographic that voted for Adolf, the ignorant petite bourgeoise. You think you're too good to work, you're not bright enough to make it big; so you ally yourself with big capital against labor and, in the end, freedom. Rational people understand the need for government regulations, taxes, unions and all the other things you abhor. You don't like regulations, unions, or taxes? Then come up with a substitute system that fairly recoups the costs capital requires of society to show a profit; correct all the abuses that demand collective bargaining for labor and regulation of industries by government. You are nothing more than a parasite, feeding off society. Without labor you can accomplish nothing. And you wallow in your ignorance, proud as a pig.
Posted by mtspence05 at 03/28/2007 @ 5:53pm
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 03/28/2007 @ 12:59pm
one of my jewish students calls me "bunker" - har har...regardless, not the worse thing they can call you, JM...
hey, archie was redeemed in the end, with his own show folks...
Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/28/2007 @ 6:01pm
My hope is we survie the next fews years intact with the current crop of kooks in Washington...I have to admit, I never would have thought our nation would end up with the current frauds, left wing kooks, clowns, moral giants like Kennedy and Hillary back in the control, but yet here we are...
Time to hide your assets.. Posted by JOHN MAASCH
The country is stuck in a completely unnecessary war; men and women are dying and getting maimed everyday; incredibly large amounts of resources are being squandered in Iraq. And you're worried about your assets? Kooks, clowns, corporate lackeys--yes, there are, but they would not have launched this inane war. But what do you care? You don't have to do the fighting or dying, right? (Just like Vietnam.) All you have to worry about is the money you make off the labor of others, old lying coward.
Posted by mtspence05 at 03/28/2007 @ 6:13pm
LIL,
You must be an old bag to keep bringing up "Archie"....never really watched him or the show....did your life revolve around the show since you keep bringing up something that was, what was canceled in the 70s?
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 03/28/2007 @ 5:25pm | ignore this person
I'm exactly the same age as you Archie...er...John. Guess that makes you and old bag too then.
And no, my life didn't revolve around All In The Family...I just tuned in every now and then to get a good laugh at the wingnut moron...pretty much exactly like reading your posts.
Every time you proclaim someone a 'kook' or 'loon', it reminds me of Archie and his fondness for calling people 'meathead' or 'dingbat'...the resemblance is uncanny.
I suppose you could stop doing that...but then, would you have anything left to fall back on?
Posted by Lillian at 03/28/2007 @ 6:38pm
John has a new friend. Although somehow I envisioned the closeted neighbor in American Beauty to be a more accurate description.
Posted by Sliver at 03/28/2007 @ 7:21pm
NUCLEAR WAR IMMINENT – BEGINS FRIDAY
You don't know what you don't know.
The STORY about British Sailors held captive by IRAN is a LIE. Remember the LIE about Israeli soldiers held captive by Lebanon to justify Israel's raping of Lebanon? Same game, different name. It's all BULLSHIT!
Think WAY outside the box.
Ahmadinejad works for Israel, they INSTALLED HIM the same way they installed Bush in the US. That's why every word Iran's leader says and every move he makes appears to be provocative toward Israel and the US. He's no mad man…he's a tool of Israel and US. He says and does precisely what we tell him to do – in order to present the APPEARANCE that we are somehow justified in launching an OFFENSIVE NUCLEAR STRIKE AGAINST IRAN ON FRIDAY.
WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!
World War III Starts on Friday – unless PATRIOTS ARREST CHENEY RIGHT NOW.
If the military Generals and Admirals want war, there will be more war than they ever imagined. If they choose to uphold their oath and defend the Constitution, they've got 36 hours to make a difference.
Time is up. World War III starts Friday – and it will coincide with conditions inside the US that lead to Martial Law, through either an Anthrax attack or a phony Bird Flu Outbreak. They are doing this to SAVE THEIR OWN HIDES from the imminent disclosure of their own criminality, including their direct role in 9/11 to serve as the pretext for everything that has resulted.
STOP THEM!
TODAY!
Posted by plunger at 03/28/2007 @ 7:46pm
Very good LL,
His post earlier reads out of a 60s labor/students march against capitalistic pigs....and those of us who have done our own labor, produced our own wealth, became independent and depend on our selves,created wealth, and high incomes, are some how the losers..losers to big corporations, are too good to work(despite 60+ hours a week),..voted for Nazis,are cowards(with draft numbers of 311)...those of us who actually worked our way through school, believed, when told, work hard go to school, earn a good living and build a good life with in the system, ...believed the common sense approach that there is no free lunch.. that we are the ones who are vilified..those of us who believe unions, while necessary in the 30s, are useless today(I mean , Jesus, a union in govt jobs? to protect aginst what? bad boss?, competetion?, better wages?) Every industry that has a union entrecnched is failing and will not survive...BTW, how are the nations schools doing? good unioon examples?..
LL, these guys are usualy the ones that can't feed them selves and are totaly incompetent..MT fits the bill...I'd bet everything in his posts he tries to describe some of us is really a description of himself...loser, can't make it, so it must be the corporations, oil companys,the capitalist, the "rich"...always someone else has his share...when in truth..the MTs will always be with us and we will have to feed them, always a load, never votes but demands solution from those of us who already FOUND the solutions...thats why he wants our assets...he has none,...and it has nothing to do with cash or monetary items....he is nothing and offers the same..
So, I am off to mingle and celebrate with other capialistc pigs losers...to find a profit. I have tuitions to pay and orders to fill...
and the things I abhor..MTs of the world and those like him here,deeply seated in the kook section, as a danger to us all..for they are the useful idiots..and we pay for them and their errors over and over...
oh well, off to become a better " the ignorant petite bourgeoise."
Posted by john maasch at 03/28/2007 @ 10:44pm
To JOHN MAASCH,
That was a very calm response to what was a despicable display of malicious immaturity from MTSPENCE05, man. Good for you. We have the knowledge and satisfaction, I suppose, that angry fools like MT make up only a small part of this country. Thank God for that, eh?
Let me know when you hit China again. (Got some great shots of the Great Wall last year-love to go back one day)
Chip
Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 03/29/2007 @ 07:53am
Posted by JOHN MAASCH
Before you claimed you are 54. In 1972 you would have been 20. High draft number, only 17? Which is it. You're a liar, a war dodger, a coward--that much is for sure.
Posted by mtspence05 at 03/29/2007 @ 09:26am
We have the knowledge and satisfaction... Posted by CHIP THORNTON
Yeah, right, and you're number 1, too.
Posted by mtspence05 at 03/29/2007 @ 09:44am
Maasch-MTSPENCE is correct.The other day you were older than I am,but now you are younger.How did you manage that? You forgot to include crawling 5 miles in the snow after hand milking 50 cows to get your education so you could realize the American dream in your silly Polly Anna story.
Posted by i'm nobody at 03/29/2007 @ 09:46am
and we pay for them and their errors over and over... Posted by JOHN MAASCH
Like in Vietnam? Iraq? No, it's people like me that get to pay while cowards like you hide behind deferments. It's people like me that are paying the price for your Prez over in Iraq.
Posted by mtspence05 at 03/29/2007 @ 09:48am
Posted by RIO BRAVO
Why not let your "free" market decide what Americans want to watch? Competition is good, right?
Posted by mtspence05 at 03/29/2007 @ 09:49am
Chip,
I was going to go in Feb or March, but I am working on something for Target..long sales cycles and a company from Taiwan hs been asking me to come over and talk...I am not sure what I want to do..they want to incorporate what I have started into what they are doing and work together..I suspect I will go back this summer...a couple chain stores are looking at another product I have and this could produce a trip earlier...
I love loons like MT and many here...they provide me with unbelieveable drive and encouragement that all will be well...and when a sucessful deal is reached I just love the fact it drives them nuts!!
Posted by john maasch at 03/29/2007 @ 11:07am
Maasch -
We are all SO impressed
Posted by Hman23 at 03/29/2007 @ 12:11pm
Maasch-I doubt anyone cares if you make a successful deal.If you're working on something for Target then your job has little meaning in terms of anything relevant to the general population.If you were making some big arms deal then people might care,but not Target.
Posted by i'm nobody at 03/29/2007 @ 12:19pm
Maasch-I doubt anyone cares if you make a successful deal.If you're working on something for Target then your job has little meaning in terms of anything relevant to the general population.If you were making some big arms deal then people might care,but not Target.
Posted by I'M NOBODY 03/29/2007 @ 12:19pm
So the "general population" spends more time and money on "arms sales", than at Target?!?!?!?!
Posted by Mask at 03/29/2007 @ 1:20pm
George Bush at the 2000 Republican Party Convention
Prosperity can be a tool in our hands -- used to build and better our country. Or it can
be a drug in our system -- dulling our sense of urgency, of empathy, of duty. Our opportunities are too great, our lives too short, to waste this moment.
...
For eight years, the Clinton/Gore administration has coasted through prosperity. And the path of least resistance is always downhill. But America's way is the rising road. This nation is daring and decent and ready for change.
...
But instead of seizing this moment, the Clinton/Gore administration has squandered it. We
have seen a steady erosion of American power and an unsteady exercise of American
influence. Our military is low on parts, pay and morale.
...
This administration had its chance. They have not led. We will. This administration had its chance. They have not led. We will. This administration had its chance. They have not led. We will. This administration had its chance. They have not led. We will. This administration had its chance. They have not led. We will. This administration had its chance. They have not led. We will. This administration had its chance. They have not led. We will. This administration had its chance. They have not led. We will.
...
And now they come asking for another chance, another shot. Our answer? Not this time.
...
America has a strong economy and a surplus.
...
We will write, not footnotes, but chapters in the American story.
...
Medicare does more than meet the needs of our elderly, it reflects the values of our
society.
...
And those who spend your tax dollars must be held accountable.
...
The last time taxes were this high as a percentage of our economy, there was a good
reason ... We were fighting World War II. Today, our high taxes fund a surplus. Some say
that growing federal surplus means Washington has more money to spend. But they've got
it backwards.
...
On principle ... those in the greatest need should receive the greatest help.
...
The world needs America's strength and leadership, and America's armed forces need better
equipment, better training, and better pay. We will give our military the means to keep
the peace, and we will give it one thing more ... a commander-in-chief who respects our
men and women in uniform, and a commander-in-chief who earns their respect. A generation shaped by Vietnam must remember the lessons of Vietnam.
...
When America uses force in the world, the cause must be just, the goal must be clear, and
the victory must be overwhelming.
...
And our nation today needs vision. That is a fact ... or as my opponent might call it, a
"risky truth scheme." Every one of the proposals I've talked about tonight, he has called
a "risky scheme," over and over again.
...
In Midland, Texas, where I grew up, the town motto was "the sky is the limit" ... and we
believed it.
...
And I have no stake in the bitter arguments of the last few years.
...
Single moms struggling to feed the kids and pay the rent.
...
We will give low-income Americans tax credits to buy the private health insurance they
need and deserve.
...
A hundred years from now, this must not be remembered as an age rich in possessions and
poor in ideals. Instead, we must usher in an era of responsibility.
...
Corporations are responsible ... to treat their workers fairly, and leave the air and
waters clean.
Our nation's leaders are responsible ... to confront problems, not pass them on to
others.
And to lead this nation to a responsibility era, a president himself must be responsible.
And so, when I put my hand on the Bible, I will swear to not only uphold the laws of our
land, I will swear to uphold the honor and dignity of the office to which I have been
elected, so help me God.
I believe the presidency -- the final point of decision in the American government -- was
made for great purposes.
...
For me, gaining this office is not the ambition of a lifetime, but it IS the opportunity
of a lifetime. And I will make the most of it.
...
Their war room is up and running ... but we are ready. Their attacks will be relentless
... but they will be answered. We are facing something familiar, but they are facing
something new.
...
A prosperous nation is ready to renew its purpose and unite behind great goals ... and it
won't be long now.
...
Our country is ready for high standards and new leaders ... and it won't be long now. An era of tarnished ideals is giving way to a responsibility era ... and it won't be long
now.
...
The night is passing. And we are ready for the day to come.
Posted by conshame at 03/29/2007 @ 2:32pm
MASK,
If I may be so bold as to refine someone else's thoughts: I think what NOBODY said was that no one cares if MAASCH sold some pile of garbagey trinkets for a-dollar-three-eighty to some rinky-dink distributor. There are lotzo other people doing things that matter, for good or for ill.
Posted by Glenn Lemon at 03/29/2007 @ 2:34pm
Plunger is on the right page - Plunger is absolutely correct. He is correct in using extreme terminology, I agree 100%. The sailors were British - who does Bush need to stay on board? Britain. This is a Gulf of Tonkin and the only hope we have is someone in on it suddenly gets a conscience.
Posted by conshame at 03/29/2007 @ 2:37pm
Allegedly British - with this crew who knows if they were even on a boat.
Posted by conshame at 03/29/2007 @ 2:39pm
I tell you, when Plunger is Americas #1 hope, the only American who has it right, we are in trouble. I dont fault The Nation or anything for not running front page "STOP THE WAR WITH IRAN", I am not a nit-picking Naderite. Not everyone can be as bright as Plunger, and understand precisely what is really going on.
Now in the past, Plunger has posted some pretty silly conspiracy spoofs, and the bit about Israel being behind Aj in Iran is just theatre, but he is 100% CORRECT in identifying the #1 issue that our counrty needs to face right now.
Posted by conshame at 03/29/2007 @ 2:45pm
I'm sorry, but Plunger is 100% correct?????
On what?
That Ahmadinejad is a mole for Israel?
That we are going to launch nuclear missles on Iran tomorrow???????
Posted by Hman23 at 03/29/2007 @ 2:50pm
Posted by MTSPENCE05 03/29/2007 @ 09:26am
MT, yes to corroborate, I recall as well that MAASCH identified his age as 54 only the other day. Hence, necessarily, he was born in either 1952 or before the end of March 1953.
Nonetheless, somehow, bystanders to the tawdry spectacle of MAASCH's fevered imaginings of being envied (let alone noticed) are supposed to suspend even minimal cognitive functioning in order to believe the following: That this self-described titan of the private sector, this midwestern muj', who boasts tirelessly about his lumbering sojourns across the (miniture?) golf course and indeed across the globe -- a combination of Trump and Bill Gates, in his uniquely bloated sense of import -- is "confused" about his age, when he was born, and/or how to accurately perform the operation (2007-1953)-(2007-1972).
Perhaps he is better with numbers and other symbols when they apply to something more slaient ... like bra-size (44DD, anyone?) ...
Posted by Glenn Lemon at 03/29/2007 @ 2:52pm
Hman,
Maasch -
We are all SO impressed
Posted by HMAN23 03/29/2007 @ 12:11pm
I was answering a question for Chip...as far as my job, I also don't expect anything of value or interest here from the kook section..their posts show their understanding ...
I don't think anyone cares about me in any shaped or form..
I see Lemon balls is babbling unintelligent sounds again....selling arms..hmm, might work...
Posted by john maasch at 03/29/2007 @ 3:03pm
Maasch-I care about you as a human being,but don't care for your politics or your claim that everyone who disagrees with you is a kook or a loon.
Posted by i'm nobody at 03/29/2007 @ 3:39pm
...as far as my job, I also don't expect anything of value or interest here from the kook section...
Your job? You mean scrapping a profit off Third World labor. Hell of a job.
Posted by mtspence05 at 03/29/2007 @ 4:13pm
NOBODY,
Disagreement with me does not earn one a seat in the loon or kook secvtion and a hat with a propellar on top(a red one)...being a loon or a kook does....not many here are loons or kooks, but here is where they congrigate.
Posted by john maasch at 03/29/2007 @ 4:24pm
Posted by GLENN LEMON 03/29/2007 @ 2:34pm
Well, GLENN....the ramblings of NOBODY are so open to interpretation you might be right or I might be. Of course yours is the more charitable "twist", so no doubt you'll be credited for your keen insight....while I will be scorned for assuming it sounded like what it sounded like.
hehe
Posted by Mask at 03/29/2007 @ 4:26pm
HMAN....I HAD to peek given CONSHAME's gushing over PLUNGER....here's my favorite part (although the "non-existant" British sailors being held by "Israeli-controlled" Ahmadinejad is a close second)--
"Time is up. World War III starts Friday – and it will coincide with conditions inside the US that lead to Martial Law, through either an Anthrax attack or a phony Bird Flu Outbreak. They are doing this to SAVE THEIR OWN HIDES from the imminent disclosure of their own criminality, including their direct role in 9/11 to serve as the pretext for everything that has resulted.
STOP THEM!
TODAY!
Posted by PLUNGER 03/28/2007 @ 7:46pm
Better pack up the kid and wife...could take me upto 15 hours to make it to the Canadian border by morning, when WW-3 starts!
Posted by Mask at 03/29/2007 @ 4:30pm
NOBODY,
I also care about you as a human being and a fellow American..I don't care for your politics and am capable of separating you from politics...and buy you dinner or drinks in a friendly spirit.
Posted by john maasch at 03/29/2007 @ 4:31pm
Before you claimed you are 54. In 1972 you would have been 20. High draft number, only 17? Which is it. You're a liar, a war dodger, a coward--that much is for sure.
I'd much rather be with an honest Egyptian, Russian, Iranian or anything else than a lying, coward American. People like you give the rest of us a bad name.
Posted by mtspence05 at 03/29/2007 @ 4:34pm
Posted by MASK 03/29/2007 @ 4:30pm
A "peek" was what I gave it as well.
Posted by JOHN MAASCH 03/29/2007 @ 3:03pm
Just having a little fun, not that there is anything wrong with having pride your work!! I just started to have flashback's of Liberty discussing his "ministry."
Posted by Hman23 at 03/29/2007 @ 5:19pm
No offense, but you people are not making much sense.
What gives? Got anything meaningful to talk about?
Posted by USAPRIDE at 03/29/2007 @ 5:29pm
Good night everyone. Enjoy your last night of freedom before tomorrow ushers in WW-III and martial law is imposed!
Posted by Hman23 at 03/29/2007 @ 6:24pm
MoveOn really scares the shit out of the hamsters
Posted by Will C. at 03/29/2007 @ 11:05pm
Posted by WILL C. 03/29/2007 @ 11:05pm
of course it does...phenomena of its type are the death knell of neoconservatism and fundyvangelist respectability.
Posted by ibbleblibble at 03/30/2007 @ 07:11am
Okay....going to give PLUNGER the benefit of the doubt and wait until 11:59pm Greenwich Mean tonight before saying anything....hehe
"Time is up. World War III starts Friday – and it will coincide with conditions inside the US that lead to Martial Law, through either an Anthrax attack or a phony Bird Flu Outbreak. They are doing this to SAVE THEIR OWN HIDES from the imminent disclosure of their own criminality, including their direct role in 9/11 to serve as the pretext for everything that has resulted.
STOP THEM!
TODAY!
Posted by PLUNGER 03/28/2007 @ 7:46pm
Posted by Mask at 03/30/2007 @ 08:53am